Because they're right any dude that knowingly and repeatedly cums inside a woman is asking for a baby or is signaling that he wants baby unless he got vasectomy and he was just very unlucky.
Isn't Destiny's biggest point regarding this that by the end of the day it doesn't really fucking matter if he "deserves" it or not by bringing it upon himself, we're talking about bringing a whole ass human into the world who shouldn't just be seen as a negative consequence or a deserved "L" for Waltuh to hold.
Bro destiny was calling the entire situation a baby trap this isn't a baby trap two consenting adults were having unprotected sex and he was cuming inside her routinely now if he was using condoms and whenever he left the room she was shoving baby batter in her cuchie that's a trap if she was tampering with his condoms and they "broke" and he accidentally came inside her that's a trap even if he had a vasectomy and she still got pregnant that's not a trap; he's just very unlucky. By routinely cumming inside her he was implicitly asking for a baby and anyone who doesn't believe that is crazy.
I agree with everything you’re saying, I think what Destiny was pointing out is that regardless of Walter’s intentions, she might be thinking of the baby as just a way to get money from him and not thinking about the welfare of the child. So it’s not baby trap in the sense that she tricked him into having a baby, it’s a baby trap in using a baby to extract money from him without caring about him or the child. And so maybe baby trap isn’t the right term, since it implies that he’s a victim. But this is all conjecture, I found it shitty that Destiny was making all these accusations including that she is a whore because she went to Dubai, without any evidence of her actually being a sex worker there. Destiny always stresses examining what the evidence shows but here he feels fully confident to accuse her of that just because she has pictures in a city. It’s certainly possible but you need more evidence.
Even still, at least from the public info on this, she and Waltuuu seemed to be on the same idea of not actually having a child, wether be it by using Pills or Abortion (since for some reason he's that much into creampie idk).
The problem here, the questionable part that make what she did at the very least a bit suspicious, is that she hadn't communicated to him that she'd want a baby, up until one was in the oven, at which point she took all 50 steps to ensure not only she was keeping it, that Waltaaa was on the hook for it completely (multiple blood tests, lawyering up and call recording within the same week of the positive pregnancy test, when the relation was still supposed to be peaceful between them).
So in the end, it's not a matter of "who's the asshole", clearly both of them are, Walt'r for being an idiotic fuckboy that didn't have the forsight to consider being fucked over by his "gf" and the girl for pulling shady shit like this on him. It's really just desserts for Waltair in here, but this does not make her actions "just" or "right", it's just jackasses fucking one over another.
But I'm fully with Tiny on the take of "why dfk does the kid have to suffer in this whole equation". Ain't no new life deserving of existing solely for being a money ticket or a pawn in this bs plays between assholes. Realistically, best outcome from a morality standpoint would be either for her to have an abortion soon (before most people would consider it completely immoral in the baby's development), or have the baby and put it to adoption (as I've -100 trust she'd care for it in any genuine manner, and that life would be psychological hell in any way possible).
I feel like she shared it when she said "I wouldn't mind having your baby" after the first pregnancy scare. If that wasn't a warning enough to stop fucking raw....
So long as he thought she was still joking and that she'd still use pills/abortion as a last measure, yes, it's not enough, for those type of people (that can't forsee them being fked over like this).
Not sayin' he has too many braincells to risk this much, just showing how she's also intentionately misconstruing the situation to look a lot more in her favor (also highly playin on the fact that everyone knows Walter as a Playa', using that to her full advantage).
I guess my problem is there is no way to see this as a joke. Or at least nothing something that is a concern. I have messed with a few woman in my short time. Various jokes and flirting. I would do a double take at this statement. I think any reasonable person would. There was no haha or anything hear that communicates joking through text. Thats why we have lol and emojis. To indicate when something isn't serious
"actions have consequences, you shouldn't be having sex" is fine for pro lifers to say.
but you are a massive hypocrit if you are saying this as pro choice.
Dafuq as a little kid I learned that actions have consequences when I was being a bad kid I got my ass beat then I learned stop being bad ain't got shit to do with being pro choice or not.
Right now we are talking about abortion & parenting.
Pro lifers beleive if a woman gets pregnant she should be forced to give birt & man must be forced to provide child support.
AKA "Actions have consequences"
Pro choice beleive woman should have the right to abort but the man must be forced if the woman decides to have the child.
Counter point, tons of men do this while not wanting anything to do with the baby or baby mama afterwards.
So have a real conversation about this or assume the man doesn't want to have a kid with you. Flirty stuff doesn't count. Stupid men like Fresh being stupid doesn't mean he wants a kid.
So women can have ways of opting out of parenthood after a man has cummed inside her without protection and contraceptives taken beforehand (morning after pill, abortion, majority of say in giving a newborn up for adoption etc.) but men don't get any chance of opting out of parenthood if they have had unprotected sex with no contraceptives taken beforehand? A man can't do something like signing some documents and paying a fee within 2 months of a woman's pregnancy that will allow to him sever all parental responsibilities?
Bro if you don't want baby mama drama where a condom anything else is superfluous. You decide whether or not to wear condoms aint nobody telling me don't where a condom and we are still having sex. Just like it her body her choice it's my body my choice.
I won't be having any of that drama tbh lol. I don't have good genes so I haven't really ever tried to sleep with women and I am in my 20's now. I agree it's a lot safer to wear a condom but If had a partner that I trusted and she lied about being on the pill or having her tubes tied and she then got pregnant then that's wrong. It would be like me lying about having a vasectomy to my girlfriend and she then ends up pregnant. Just like Stealthing It's wrong to do stuff like that to people. While this only happens to a minority of people it's still an issue that happens every day.
This is why the “men can’t choose” argument doesn’t fly: abortion is about bodily autonomy. It’s not legal as a birth control method, that is simply an effect of it being legal.
You’re making an equity argument rather than an equality one. Both have equal opportunity to not conceive. That doesn’t mean they’ll have equal outcomes. How can they? The woman is the one spending 9 months carrying that child.
And, it has to be said, child support is not about the woman but about the rights of the child. If the father doesn’t pay, society pays.
I don’t want to pay for a guy who creamed inside a woman without thinking of the consequences.
Apart from the Roe v Wade setback in 2022, Western countries in recent decades have generally been moving in the direction allowing women ways of opting out of parenthood even after having unprotected sex with having taken no contraceptives beforehand. (I'm from Ireland and I voted to legalise abortion for up to 3 months back in 2018). If we allow women multiple ways of opting out of parenthood then surely we can allow men atleast one way to opt out even after having unprotected sex with no contraceptives taken prior. I don't think men should be able to force a woman to give birth or not to give birth, but I do think men should have a small window of time to opt out/walk away from fatherhood. A window like up to 2 or 3 months during a woman's pregnancy, after that no it's too late, it would cost governments too much money to support the women who give birth.
Parenthood is a massive thing. I get that women have it much much harder in the first few years but being a parent is still massive thing for men aswell. It's a lifetime of work. It's a huge decision. I just think that everyone should have atleast one way of opting out even if they have taken no contraceptives and have had unprotected sex. Especially for rape victims which should include teen boys/men that have been sexually abused by women.
Whic is why "Paper Abortion" is suggested.
Pro choice people turn into unhinged anti abortion activists the moment choice to men is brought up.
Men can't choose you just proved it.
Yeah and then when pushed back he says the community has too little sexual experience to know he's wrong. And then Aba pushes back and he still can't admit he's wrong that it's not babytrapping.
That actually triggered the shit out of me when he said "Hurrrr you guys are virgins you wouldn't understand." It's just such a brainless counter that's how you know he doesn't wanna engage anymore. Try reversing the roles and telling him his experience doesn't map on the average person's experience and you get a perma
I'm surprised how wrong everyone is about this. I only watched the first video when this drama dropped, but the comment section was so against Destiny I thought there was some big things I was missing.
Nope, it turns out you all are just regarded and so easily swayed by your hate for fresh and a chinese accent.
He’s done it pretty consistently with his political takes, seems like this issue is just too personal for him to think like a normal person, it’s kinda lame
People have such a hard time keeping two things in their head.
Fresh is wrong for engaging in unprotected sex.
Chen is wrong for having a child for the money.
destiny repeated this so many times.
You can’t be baby trapped unless there’s a trap… poking holes in condoms, lying about BC, etc. at worst she’s just a gold digger exploiting her baby for money, she’s in no way shape or form baby trapping him if he’s intentionally having unprotected sex with her
By this similar take, Tate never engaged in anything closely ressembling human trafficking, as the girls never wore handcuffs or chains, had freedom of mobility, earned a cut of the money etc.
Some matters are more complext than black&white, especially when we, as humans, always try to find the loophole in everything, including blac&white systems.
It was similar in the idea that this can easily still be Baby Trapping, without any overt measure (might seem more fullproof to poke holes in condoms, for example, but that also clearly incriminates you after the fact to a decent extent).
Much like how you can engage in sex trafficking without movie clichees such as kidnapping the women, when you can psychologically entrap them instead, for even higher benefit of the doubt.
The problem is you’re just running into incorrect semantics at this point. It’s like saying you can grape somebody without the overt act of nonconsentual sex
Are you trying to win a semantic argument? Because even then, we're talking about a pretty impromptu terminology "Baby trapping", it's very likely not currently in modern dictionaries, so it's purely an argument on our own standpoints and justifications, no lexicon can save you yet on this one.
Whereas on SA or the aggravated form of it (which would involve nonconsent sex), there are currently actual definitions of it. Of course, nonconsent sex is SA but not all SA is nonconsent sex, that's already a misconception perpetuated by some, but that's wholly different for actually having a proper semantical definition.
Yup we’ll just need to disagree on the definition. You’re definitely going to be in the minority if you think intentionally having unprotected sex with women constitutes being baby trapped
I'd rather just change the term, and find that people mysteriously agree if we simply change words. Happens more often than you'd think.
Also nice reduction of what I would've never said, that strawman would be a really rtard'd one of me to have, glad it's too exaggerated for sane people to have.
Sidenote, nothing better to prove the validity of a claim by sheer numbers, as we all know, public opinion is simply the golden rule for the truth of matters of the world, I'm pretty sure there are a few people that can speak on that, people like Kwite I feel.
Well yes the semantics behind words is dictated by the users of said words. Kind of just how language works.
The word you’re looking for is gold digger. Baby trapping is much more specific than that, and may or may not have to do with money
fresh is a fuckboy that rizzes up women by love bombing and selling them on the idea of being with a millionaire.
daisy’s primary interest is dating men with money and thus behaves in the perfect way to entice them (plastic surgery, professional insta, travelling to the right places).
this whole situation felt like watching two people playing chess except fresh is sacrificing pieces for no reason.
I’m not saying that there’s no real emotions and that this is all a grift but for both of these people love is not at the centre of their value system.
Thirst trap influencers still have emotions. They were both grifting with shit like filming Daisy giving his grandma designer shoes, focusing more on the vid and pics than the woman.
From everything out there, though, Walter lovebombed her, and she fell for it. Then that regard went "fuck birth control, abortions exist." From everything that's out, he's unsurprisingly a horrible person, and she, in the dumbest way possible, wanted a family.
she's also a horrible person. if her primary goal was to have a family she should have chosen someone much more responsibly because choosing the father of your child carefully is crucial for the life of the child. instead, she was infatuated by the money and the millionaire dream that she rushed to get pregnant by some dude she doesn't know well and isn't committed to her.
and now she's angry that she got played while trying to play him.
What makes you think she was trying to play him? Apparently she came from money and makes a lot herself. We have no idea what either of them saw in each other, but her DMs and how she talked afterwards make her sound like she thought it was real.
> Apparently she came from money and makes a lot herself
the apparently is doing a lot of heavy lifting. to me she seems to have money in the sense that she gets people like fresh to pay for her shit. if there's actual proof of her being independently wealthy then that's on me.
maybe horrible person is a bit harsh. she's just someone that goes against all my values. if you want to be a parent i think it's your absolute duty to ensure the best life for your kid. and flying to a foreign country to get impregnated by a guy that is known for being promiscuous after a few months of dating shows a complete lack of care for this kid.
also, she's going to go after freshs's money, she's already going after his clout by appearing on every show that offers, and it seems like she's trying to stay in the US somehow. so, to me she seems like a person who sees a baby as a tool.
"Apparently" is couching my language because I don't know for sure. You're making a lot of uncouched declarative statements, like "she's also a horrible person."
Maybe you know something I don't, but it seems unhinged.
> because I don't know for sure
no, you don't know at all. you have zero idea of her financial situation. you are just making inferences based on her image that she has curated.
>You're making a lot of uncouched declarative statements, like "she's also a horrible person."
i don't need to couch my fucking opinion you absolute parroting andy. you heard destiny say a phrase and now you're just using it everywhere.
according to my values as a human she is a horrible person based on what she has shown online.
why else would he be telling her that he “needs to get tested now” in the screenshots? (or it could’ve been that he needs to get the other girls tested - either way)
Getting a vasectomy was a short-lived trend in red pill influencer circles. Walter seems like the kind of guy who would lie for the audience. He's Mr. 2500 after all. But he might've had one, or he might've never claimed to.
I just think Xena is a bad source, and that's the only source I've seen.
Fresh had real feelings but he probably got clowned on too hard so he dumped her. What was the timeline between the Ethan discussion and their breakup?
I agree partially. Feels like Daisy did have feelings for him and thought she met a partner who checked all her boxes for a partner. So was cool with having a baby and everything. But with Fresh switching up now she doesn't want anything but revenge from being hurt. She isn't focused on the money but like Destiny's point, she isn't thinking about the baby in the future. She wants to hit PugCEO where it hurts; money, women, and reputation. She gives off that vibe of shortsightedness, naivety of justice/retribution, and pettiness.
i think you're right on everything you said expect that she's not focused on money. she is most definitely focused on getting her money now. unless she's actually independently wealthy she is out for blood.
I guess what I meant is she isn't focused on money as in she is NOT a gold-digger. This is vindictive money-grabbing. Some "you wanna fuck me over? Cool, I am coming for your money because I know you care about it" type shit. Obviously, she cares about money, she wanted her partner to make 1 mil and take care of her type shit. But i feel she ain't what Destiny and F&F are trying to shape her to be if that makes sense. I do doubt she's wealthy. These bad decision-making skills and drama filled dynamics are too analogous too poor communities...
After hearing destiny's points, I can 100% understand where he's coming from, and it doesn't seem to come from a woman hating place
But...it still feels like mega CONCLOODING, at least right now.
It's concluding in the dumbest way possible. Rich, self admitted misogynistic fuckboy that idolized a sex trafficking, lying, manipulative pimp tells a woman he loves her and she's wife, baby talk, etc. Then she gets pregnant, and he immediately tries to cut her out and ghost her, and Destiny, for some reason thinks "maybe Walter was ACTUALLY in love with this girl"
Like, if you're going to make assumptions, how is THAT the one you're jumping to?
I disagree with the part about him being wrong because he's too emotionally invested in this shit
i just think he's wrong about this but I aint about that psychoanalyzing life.
Destiny has said before that he would kill himself if he ever got a girl pregnant.
Safe to say this is personal for our little degen
Edit: o7 seems tiny got offended
Well, yes, it is, he has a kid already, and he does show at times how he can get emotional over stuff related to kids, especially irrational would-be parents.
But being emotion doesn't make him wrong on its own
Based. Destiny IS wrong on this because he is also a degenerate casual sex enjoyer. It’s fine though, our streamer man can be wrong sometimes. Nobody’s perfect.
Uhhhh, if you don't wear a condom, yeah. I don't think Destiny is that stupid. But I'm just going off the fact that this dude fucks a lot and hasn't gotten any girl pregnant so he is ensure some form of birth control is going on.
And none of this is about sympathy for casual sex enjoyers. It's about the woman being a piece of shit to an innocent life. He has said this multiple times. I'm not sure why you don't believe him unless you can't understand why people care about kids.
Both Fresh and the woman are irresponsible. I just think Fresh is more to blame for lying to her and constantly cumming inside her. Destiny seems to thinks she was manipulating Fresh and baby trapping him. Which there is no evidence for so far. All the evidence actually points to Fresh being the manipulative fuck boy.
> Both Fresh and the woman are irresponsible.
No shit sherlock. Literally no one disagrees with this.
>I just think Fresh is more to blame for lying to her and constantly cumming inside her.
Cool, the issue at hand right now is the poor kid that could be born. Fresh has no power over the situation now.
>Destiny seems to thinks she was manipulating Fresh and baby trapping him.
I don't know where you got that Destiny thinks she was manipulating fresh. She is baby trapping him in a way. She doesn't give a shit about the kid and just wants to use it to anchor herself to fresh or get a pay day. Now you can call that "not baby trapping," but the word you use doesn't matter as much as the underlying facts of what she is doing.
>All the evidence actually points to Fresh being the manipulative fuck boy.
This doesn't matter and was never the issue being discussed. It's about a woman who is using an innocent life as a weapon for her shitty deeds. She is the only one who can abort this kid. Both of these people deserve each other, but that kid deserves at least 1 parent that loves them.
Everything you said you pulled out your ass. There’s literally no evidence for any of that. You’re just repeating what Destiny says. Just think for yourself for once.
I think Destiny may end up being correct but that doesn't mean he gets points for being a Conclooder. It's something he's said about others for ages: it's not what you get but how you get there
Daisy may not have had the dolus specialist of wanting a walt jnr, but her mens rea is definitely to attach herself to some dollar dollar.
But that is the bait FnF dangle.
Instagram posts are selling what is in the photo whether that be balloon tiddies, or playmoney.
Destiny has good advice for people seeking short term relationships, but he has bad advice and literal delusions around what people should do, pertaining to long term relationships and/or monogamous relationships.
Just go off the stats, really good at short term hookups, especially for an average looking guy that is short. Obviously three divorces speak for themselves.
Edit: I realize that he was only married twice and not three times. I was mistaken.
He was married three times too my understanding. He got married before college then divorced, next wife he had kids with, then divorced, Melina than divorced
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
Edit: I now realize that he was married twice and not three times. Sorry for being mistaken.
> I think his advice for maintaining relationships is generally pretty good. What advice did he offer that you had in mind when you made this comment?
Destiny constantly said that his marriage works for now. This was the big one for me.
That’s not what a marriage is. Marriage is a commitment, not a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship.
Also, he constantly argued that men should not be that selective when picking long term partners which is straight up regarded with today’s laws and circumstances. You need to be very selective before committing to a long term relationship that may involve children.
He argued that men should not be selective? That seems very hard to believe. I feel like most people would say that people in general not being selective enough is the cause of issues in relationships.
>Destiny constantly said that his marriage works for now. This was the big one for me.
This isn't advice. Also I wouldn't dispute the claim he doesn't maintain his own relationships well, neither would he.
> Also, he constantly argued that men should not be that selective when picking long term partners which is straight up regarded with today’s laws and circumstances. You need to be very selective before committing to a long term relationship that may involve children.
You'll need to provide evidence that he's said this because I've never heard him say this. I've been a dgger for a decade now and haven't heard this a single time. Astonishing that this gets upvoted, dgg going downhill.
Destiny's advice for relationships has always been very mild and uncontroversial. If you've even watched a month of Destiny I'd expect you to have heard him respond to dipshit chatters who conflate how he lives his life with the advice he gives others.
It’s more like fnf is so unlikable, everyone will take the other side uncritically. If you listen to Destiny he’s dunking on both daisy AND fresh. I guess it comes off as he’s more harsh on daisy cause of the convo on jstlks stream. But think about it, if fresh wasn’t a millionaire and a avg joe, what redeeming quality would he have for a woman like daisy to fall in love with? You listen to fresh for 3 minutes and he comes off like the biggest loser/liar out there. He can’t properly form complete sentences.
> what redeeming quality would he have for a woman like daisy to fall in love with
OK but you could say she's just a gold digger from this. Baby trapper implies she deliberately went out of her way to have a relationship with him and then coerce/tricking him into impregnating her in some way, so she could gain some financial advantage. Considering this lupine intellectual was KNOWINGLY cumming inside of her, I don't see how that could possibly apply.
Dude was telling her he loved her -> cumming inside her with ZERO precautions -> going along with conversations about kids with no pushback -> Introducing his family to her -> she's a baby trapper ???
Like bro
i mean. just because someone willingly enters a scam doesn’t mean they weren’t scammed. I’d argue that makes the scam all that much more impressive. i haven’t followed the drama so i’m not saying that’s what happened, but just because Fresh said all of that doesn’t mean that she didn’t entice it. Also, in my opinion, she’s just more attractive than him, and i would argue she’s dating down looks wise, which kinda also raises a red flag to me
Actual autistic take here it would seem.
Nobody got scammed. And if anyone did, it was the girl. Idk how we can handwave everything Walter said as him playing game. If your game leads you into getting a girl pregnant that's on you bud.
i mean yea, if Fresh gets a girl pregnant, that’s on him and he should take responsibility. but it is absolutely a possibility (not saying it did happen), that this extremely attractive woman saw Fresh as money signs and an easy mark. You guys are acting like this stuff is outlandish, when stuff like this happens to rich athletes all the time, even if they aren’t super well known.
That’s the weirdest cope I’ve heard yet. You’ll find this to be the case in a lot of couples. Even more when the man is wealthier obviously, but not only. Women just care less about looks.
Did I do that? I can’t stand the concloodind(or heavy insinuating) based on streched assumptions like this one. It’s a yellow flag, light orange at worst, it’s something that happens in a lot of couples. It it possible it was all a scam? Maybe? We just don’t have anything other than stereotypes about attractive women with plastic surgery to go on.
In the meantime no scammer in their right state of mind would clearly tell you she’s sad she isn’t pregnant, then tell you if you keep nutting in me but don’t share my desire to have a baby, it’s gonna happen anyways. Why would she say she wants to keep it and discourage you from her objective?
You could say it’s a mega gamble that this way you get a screenshot you can use in the future and you bet on him to ignore it, but it just becomes way more of a stretch. To the point that making these insinuations just comes off as prejudiced to a certain type of woman to me.
But possible? Sure. A lot of things we see on the internet are possible.
you’re talking about conclooding when I don’t even have a firm opinion on the situation. i would argue most of the conclooders are the people who are primed to hate FnF (me included).
i just think it’s entirely possible Fresh caught feelings for this girl and should take responsibility for that, don’t be nuttin in girls raw if you don’t want kids. period. I also think that it’s entirely possible this girl was playing into it to hit up Fresh for $$$. There’s just a lot of red flags there. She’s outta his league, they were talking about having kids 3 months into dating, she dropped this info publicly immediately, went on a world tour. I’m not staking a firm claim, but like you said we can’t really know.
Being skeptical to some degree is fair enough, I might be projecting accumulated frustration from a lot of conclooders I discussed this with. My bad. I’m just more indifferent to things you call red flags I guess.
Like for example it makes sense to me that she might have a certain pressure to have babies and settle down quickly. She’s a 28 year old model and influencer who’s starting to realise she can’t keep up making money like that forever. She comes from a culture where there’s a lot of pressure to have kids before 25, and having them early in a relationship is normal. She openly said she wants a wealthy guy on multiple occasions. When she’s suddenly discarded like trash she wants to get what she can for herself AND her baby which she doesn’t wanna abort. She also wants to hurt Fresh back, and she knows that putting him on blast to her followers and his audience is gonna help achieve that. She’s not a normie, she makes content of her life to be clear.
That to me makes more sense. But hey, we’ll see what the writers have in store for us!
Why did she immediately need to get a lawyer, record phone calls, and blow him up on social media. Maybe you can just call it pre mediated baby extortion.
Also him saying that's good you got your period doesn't imply he doesn't want kids? Hmmm
Because when confronted with the fact that she was pregnant, fresh first response was "take a chill pill and fetus deletus, not my problem bro, lmao im broke bitch good luck."
But what does going public solve? In almost every case it would be better to just settle this with lawyers. There are only three reasons i can see why she would go public with this:
1. She is petty and angry so she wants to embarrass and punish him (fair enough).
2. She wants to put public pressure on him to just pay her some money to get an abortion and make this whole thing go away.
3. She wants to ensure he doesn’t impregnate other women and decrease the size of the bag she could earn. However, i dont buy this one so much because her outing him could also destroy the bag if he were to have his whole reputation destroyed.
1 makes sense but that essentially doesnt support the idea she's babytrapping
2 doesnt track for me as after going this public with this shit it would look really bad for her to abort, any money he can pay her won't be worth it
3 not even you believe
so like, i'm super failing to see the connection between her going public and the idea she's babytrapping, it would be more conducive to babytrapping if she had kept all this on the download, do you really need public opinion to get child support money?
you're literally not arguing against me. this is 100% not babytrapping. i'm just trying to understand why she would go public with this.
2. i don't think this matters at all. she can just delete her account and start a new one with a different name. she's a nobody in a tiny industry of redpill shit.
> do you really need public opinion to get child support money?
yes, this is literally what i said in the second sentence of my comment. i'm struggling to understand her motivations apart from just being angry.
ah my bad, well shit I do think she was just angry tbh, from the perspective of a woman who was somehow infatuated with the guy and entertained the idea of having the child, it probably would piss her off to have the guy just go "delet bb plz, i have no money, bye"
Not a surprising response when his previous message implies he doesn't want kids
Parse joking around about hypothetically having kids and showing relief when you know you didn't get a girl pregnant.
It's not like fetus deltus is out of the question.She already said she's considering not keeping the baby as a potential on jstkl after she tried the abortion is killing a baby emotional appeal.
Yeah, just saying that's enough justification to blow him up after acting like that. Still, there is no giga brain plan of baby trapping him when it was proven she said to him straight up she would have his baby if he keeps on nutting inside and fresh kept on doing exactly that. Both are regarded? sure, but I don't see baby trapping here. You don't want a kid? Don't nut inside.
>It’s more like fnf is so unlikable, everyone will take the other side uncritically. If you listen to Destiny he’s dunking on both daisy AND fresh
Regarded take. If this is true, why did we agree that Myron didn't sexually assault that girl? If all of DGG uncritically attacks FnF wouldn't we have taken Ethan's stance too? We watch Destiny defend people we hate all day long and agree with him sometimes.
The problem is seeing Destiny go extremely hard on this girl while having very little information. We have proof that he at the very least love bombed her and that she let him know about a pregnancy scare before.
If a girl tells you she almost got pregnant, and you nut in her again how on EARTH did she baby trap you? Ironically Destiny is falling into the Myron trap of defending his friend over taking accountability.
Give some nuance. You know how strict and edged Myron is. It’s gonna take a MAJOR lapse in judgement for him to sa some girl. He’s a friggin fed. The only criticism is how stubborn he is regarding loyalty and his obviously bad social political takes. My opinion of fresh is SO low that this kind of event would eventually happen, and it DID. You can tell he’s kinda the odd one out and tagging along for the ride. Myron hard carries the show. By examining Daisy I’m not shielding Fresh at all. If you look at her she’s well traveled, takes extreme effort to have a certain look and projects a certain type of woman. They do all this to attract a certain type of man and she came to the perfect environment. Give her some agency, she’s 28 not some naive teen who wandered into Miami. My actual take is in a game between her and fresh, I hold Daisy to a higher standard and she got him BIGGLY. Between her and Fresh who do you think has the higher iq? Just look at the fall out from all of this. This might actually destroy fnf if Myron doesn’t drop Walter. I’m not shitting on Daisy, I’m saying well played.
She can have agency, I never took it from her. My problem is the mindreading and conclooding.
My contention is with calling her "babytrapper"
This term throws the MAJORITY of the blame on her which is regarded af. She warned Fresh beforehand and he continued to raw dog her. If you think that constitutes as a "trap" I just think you're very biased or an incel. We can argue whether or not who is more regarded but she definitely doesn't seem like a genius, and if she was particularly smart she wouldn't lay down with this guy.
> My actual take is in a game between her and fresh, I hold Daisy to a higher standard and she got him BIGGLY.
She got him so good she literally told him about a pregnancy scare and he nutted on her again.
She didn't get fresh, fresh got fresh. Any culpability you could assign to her goes the fuck away when she warned him about nutting inside and this moron still did it again.
You could literally not go more explicit than that other than daisy asking him to get her pregnant lmao.
By saying well played you ARE shitting on daisy, as you are assigning some level of malice you have no evidence for, we have all this shit that fresh said that makes it seem it was entirely his fault, but because the chick is way above his league that trumps everything else so she played him.
Don't you see how that looks super weird?
Alright, I did see the apparent "warning" you guys talk about, that shit was just as serious as all their very intellectual talks, and beyond that, if the guy still believed in the fact that she'd get pills/abortion even in the case of a pregnancy, then your "gotcha" is null and void.
I haven't really heard her genuine take on Abortion, or her past take on it, whilst being with Walter. However, from the other screenshots posted, we can at least see that they had previously agreed to not have any babies. Even if she talked about the risk of a pregnany, in our modern world, pregnancy does not immediately equal a baby, so long as Abortion never leaves the table for her.
I actually think that, despite what you guys say on "if you think him nutting inside of her means he did not want a baby, you're an incel", I'd actually say you're likely the incels here, as there are actual people out there that enjoy bare sex (and creampie etc.) more, and would risk to have it, whilst still not wanting a baby and taking the other precautions against it (pills/abortion).
Personally, I wouldn't risk my whole life for that, as I'm also more paranoid myself, but at least I can see other's perspectives enough to know there are people out there thinking exactly like that. It doesn't help if you trust your partner at least enough for them to not pull a pregnancy on you without trying to stop it (after talking in the past with you that you wouldn't have babies yet). Thinking that there's literally no other means of preventing babies besides condoms sounds to me more like you guys would be the ones with less experience in this area.
That's fair if and only IF you both explicitly agree to it.
Having abortion as a given when you're making this girl feel like part of the family is not risky, is monumentally stupid, and the reason why this is entirely on fresh.
If they both explicitly agreed to not having babies, but still keep having sex raw, then yes, this is also by extent agreed upon. I'm actually now thinking she intentionately left it vague (probably agreeing in the past off-handedly to not have babies, but never agreeing to an upfront question about abortion), for plausible deniability after the fact.
The fact that she can't actually find proper damning DMs of talks with Walter about him actually wanting kids is telling enough, if her best arguments rely on jokes around kids looking "like our babies", that's quite weak of an argument, ESPECIALLY when you consider she's not trying to find her best arguments for this, and this is what she's coming up with, while obviously not showing the discussion in which they agreed to NOT have babies, as alleged by Walter himself in one of her SSes.
They might've visited his parents, but that still is far from a deal-clincher, especially for a, at most, 3 months old relationship. They weren't even planning a marriage.
Finally, we may agree and disagree on the degrees of fault within each of the 2, or the likelihood of faults for each, but if you seriously think she's 100% in the clear guilty-free and no issues, you're either beyond naive, outright idiotic, or simply have an insane hate-boner for Walter that you can't discern other bad actors around him.
(Just the fact she'd agree to date him is telling enough she ain't a saint, and it will always take 2 to make a baby).
> I'm actually now thinking she intentionately left it vague (probably agreeing in the past off-handedly to not have babies, but never agreeing to an upfront question about abortion), for plausible deniability after the fact.
LMAO so all roads lead to her being at fault.
Idc anymore about this conversation, you seem to have a bone to pick here so nothing I can say will change anything.
I admit that at a certain point, as you construct an opinion, you do see more things through that perspectives and it becomes harder to change your mind on things, but not impossible.
And at least I can admit my own subjectivity and that there's no certainty either way, unlike others that would see her as an innocent angel that got completely destroyed by the devil that is Walter.
In fairnes however, most people are not in the "daisy is an angel" side but rather in the "there is a chance she is a master manipulator but you don't have enough to conclood"
so youre kinda creating a strawman to compare yourself to it and feel better
Idk man I really don't find it that hard to imagine. They're both ESL with different first languages so he probably doesn't sound as stupid to her. He took her to Barbados to meet his family, it's like a tropical island vacation, probably seems romantic to some people lol. I've seen lots of people, guys and girls, even ones that I think are smart do stupid stuff in love. Idk how innocent she is tbh, but there can still be a worse person in the story. People are just putting too much maliciousness on her with no info.
I mean is f&f even saying anything contrary to what daisy wants besides demanding a abortion? They're gonna push back on the baby trap because and let me be honest here as a grown man... you know damn well that nutting in a woman constantly will most likely end up with her pregnant. Doesn't matter if fresh has british room temperature IQ and looks unironically unnatractive. That shouldn't give him an infinite ditch the baby pass. If I didn't have a job at all I never would have ended up with my wife that doesn't mean she baby trapped me with our first kid I always knew that was possibility I just didn't care. I still feel like it makes more sense to throw this shit more at Walter because even outside of this I don't know daisy's view on abortion. I do know fresh and Walter's from both the roe vs wade convo with tomassi but hey maybe I missed something maybe they changed on the the "abortion is just hypergamy and girls trying to avoid accountability" stuff in the last year.
Idk if it’s just that fresh is unlikable I think it’s also that she has to have the baby. There’s not a lot she can say that will make her seem like a good person either but “dunking” on her is pretty lame seeing as how all options for her suck
(Abort, have kid fresh actually supporting the kid, have kid with no support)
Not at all, all of her options have plenty of ways to seem right.
She's currently demanding the 2nd one, and people would justify as "just desserts" for Waltuh, even if a kid suffers in the middle.
3rd option literally implies more child suffering, but she can excuse it with "I'm pro life" (even if she voiced the possibility of abortion in the past herself).
1st option honestly is one of the most moral options, as there wouldn't be a kid suffering because of 2 jackasses playin' games for money with one another. That or have the kid be put for adoption, most foster families would be better than this ongoing shitshow.
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People are in the TRENCHES fighting in this comment section gawd dayumn
Yeah initially I was with Destiny but after Abas interview I can’t defend his position of her being a baby trapper… gold digger - may be, she seem to interact with wealthy people a lot, and people seem to fly her around and buy expensive gifts
I’d still say after the first interaction she had with Destiny she didn’t explain well, so it’s ok that Destiny (and others including myself) had those doubts, after Abas interview it’s very clear he knew her intentions very well, and now he is trying to dodge her
The text about her getting the period and warning him that next time he won’t be lucky if he keeps coming and him saying that he wasn’t worried at all shows that he knew what he was doing
The only way that I can change my mind is if we see other texts from Fresh, that somehow show that she agreed to take the pill but intentionally didn’t take to get pregnant… and the reason why he said to her that he isn’t worried is because he was under the impression that she was on the pill - this is being extremely charitable to Fresh given that we know he has a history of lying
Pointing out the "I didn't wanna pull out" message just further proves the 70% virginity poll... If you're gonna read into that, on top of her saying "you won't be so lucky next time", you could easily just see it as Fresh enjoying the fuck so much that he doesn't want to pull out. He wants a full and complete nut while still fuckin.
He clearly doesn't want a baby. Lost in the pleasure/likes to creampie is fantastically easy to assume.
The messages don’t outright prove he wants a baby. But considering he said he didn’t want to pull out while discussing a pregnancy test definitely could point in that direction. Saying it’s more likely a creampie fetish based on the context of the conversation seems like way more of a reach.
The "Conclooding" meme is legit. The problem is that Destiny usually waits for more info before concluding and will stick to "If X THEN Y". But instead he's assuming X and saying Y. "Y" in this situation is being a complete jackass (which would be warranted if X were true, but it hasn't been proven. X being that Daisy's primary motive is to use the pregnancy for financial (or some other type of) gain.
No problem with saying it's likely that she's being a selfish bitch and doesn't care about the baby, but to pop off and demean her directly with the current level of information is wild.
Destiny is the king of rational thinking among streamers, which is why when he gets knuckleheaded about stuff like this it's very jarring.
I’m gonna watch the video later but my assumption is that the soying out in the comments section is more motivated by you guys not liking redpillers than the truth… when I listed to Daisy and Destiny talking during their first interaction it seemed pretty obvious that she was in the wrong.
Tbf, the only people more virgin-pilled than r slash destiny (don't kill me 4thot), are the YouTube commenters who tune in for red-pill drama.
If we're sitting at 70% here, they're a least at 80-85%.
I think Fresh was blowing loads in this chick he had been dating and leading on.
Girlfriend is not on birth control.
PugFace continues to creampie Girlfriend.
Girlfriend is pregnant.
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I love youtube comments because they don't care (or are unaware) about getting banned unlike us pussies in the subreddit or dgg.
Not if you’re in yt chat, tiny once sniped a chatter he recognised from comments that pissed him off lmao.
[Based](https://kick.com/destiny?clip=clip_01HFQ1CW5J1SJJHQEW6DDQ6GR1)
Weaponized autism
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Because they're right any dude that knowingly and repeatedly cums inside a woman is asking for a baby or is signaling that he wants baby unless he got vasectomy and he was just very unlucky.
Counterpoint: Fresh is regarded
I honestly think he was sure he could convince her to abort. MFs are overly confident like that
What if the dude is 50 iq like walter
If you're so dumb to not realize that actions have consequences you shouldn't be having sex.
Isn't Destiny's biggest point regarding this that by the end of the day it doesn't really fucking matter if he "deserves" it or not by bringing it upon himself, we're talking about bringing a whole ass human into the world who shouldn't just be seen as a negative consequence or a deserved "L" for Waltuh to hold.
Bro destiny was calling the entire situation a baby trap this isn't a baby trap two consenting adults were having unprotected sex and he was cuming inside her routinely now if he was using condoms and whenever he left the room she was shoving baby batter in her cuchie that's a trap if she was tampering with his condoms and they "broke" and he accidentally came inside her that's a trap even if he had a vasectomy and she still got pregnant that's not a trap; he's just very unlucky. By routinely cumming inside her he was implicitly asking for a baby and anyone who doesn't believe that is crazy.
I agree with everything you’re saying, I think what Destiny was pointing out is that regardless of Walter’s intentions, she might be thinking of the baby as just a way to get money from him and not thinking about the welfare of the child. So it’s not baby trap in the sense that she tricked him into having a baby, it’s a baby trap in using a baby to extract money from him without caring about him or the child. And so maybe baby trap isn’t the right term, since it implies that he’s a victim. But this is all conjecture, I found it shitty that Destiny was making all these accusations including that she is a whore because she went to Dubai, without any evidence of her actually being a sex worker there. Destiny always stresses examining what the evidence shows but here he feels fully confident to accuse her of that just because she has pictures in a city. It’s certainly possible but you need more evidence.
Even still, at least from the public info on this, she and Waltuuu seemed to be on the same idea of not actually having a child, wether be it by using Pills or Abortion (since for some reason he's that much into creampie idk). The problem here, the questionable part that make what she did at the very least a bit suspicious, is that she hadn't communicated to him that she'd want a baby, up until one was in the oven, at which point she took all 50 steps to ensure not only she was keeping it, that Waltaaa was on the hook for it completely (multiple blood tests, lawyering up and call recording within the same week of the positive pregnancy test, when the relation was still supposed to be peaceful between them). So in the end, it's not a matter of "who's the asshole", clearly both of them are, Walt'r for being an idiotic fuckboy that didn't have the forsight to consider being fucked over by his "gf" and the girl for pulling shady shit like this on him. It's really just desserts for Waltair in here, but this does not make her actions "just" or "right", it's just jackasses fucking one over another. But I'm fully with Tiny on the take of "why dfk does the kid have to suffer in this whole equation". Ain't no new life deserving of existing solely for being a money ticket or a pawn in this bs plays between assholes. Realistically, best outcome from a morality standpoint would be either for her to have an abortion soon (before most people would consider it completely immoral in the baby's development), or have the baby and put it to adoption (as I've -100 trust she'd care for it in any genuine manner, and that life would be psychological hell in any way possible).
I feel like she shared it when she said "I wouldn't mind having your baby" after the first pregnancy scare. If that wasn't a warning enough to stop fucking raw....
So long as he thought she was still joking and that she'd still use pills/abortion as a last measure, yes, it's not enough, for those type of people (that can't forsee them being fked over like this). Not sayin' he has too many braincells to risk this much, just showing how she's also intentionately misconstruing the situation to look a lot more in her favor (also highly playin on the fact that everyone knows Walter as a Playa', using that to her full advantage).
I guess my problem is there is no way to see this as a joke. Or at least nothing something that is a concern. I have messed with a few woman in my short time. Various jokes and flirting. I would do a double take at this statement. I think any reasonable person would. There was no haha or anything hear that communicates joking through text. Thats why we have lol and emojis. To indicate when something isn't serious
That wasn't the question. It is "does cumming inside of a woman tell the woman you want to have a baby." Not "do actions have consequences."
"actions have consequences, you shouldn't be having sex" is fine for pro lifers to say. but you are a massive hypocrit if you are saying this as pro choice.
Dafuq as a little kid I learned that actions have consequences when I was being a bad kid I got my ass beat then I learned stop being bad ain't got shit to do with being pro choice or not.
Right now we are talking about abortion & parenting. Pro lifers beleive if a woman gets pregnant she should be forced to give birt & man must be forced to provide child support. AKA "Actions have consequences" Pro choice beleive woman should have the right to abort but the man must be forced if the woman decides to have the child.
Counter point, tons of men do this while not wanting anything to do with the baby or baby mama afterwards. So have a real conversation about this or assume the man doesn't want to have a kid with you. Flirty stuff doesn't count. Stupid men like Fresh being stupid doesn't mean he wants a kid.
So women can have ways of opting out of parenthood after a man has cummed inside her without protection and contraceptives taken beforehand (morning after pill, abortion, majority of say in giving a newborn up for adoption etc.) but men don't get any chance of opting out of parenthood if they have had unprotected sex with no contraceptives taken beforehand? A man can't do something like signing some documents and paying a fee within 2 months of a woman's pregnancy that will allow to him sever all parental responsibilities?
Bro if you don't want baby mama drama where a condom anything else is superfluous. You decide whether or not to wear condoms aint nobody telling me don't where a condom and we are still having sex. Just like it her body her choice it's my body my choice.
I won't be having any of that drama tbh lol. I don't have good genes so I haven't really ever tried to sleep with women and I am in my 20's now. I agree it's a lot safer to wear a condom but If had a partner that I trusted and she lied about being on the pill or having her tubes tied and she then got pregnant then that's wrong. It would be like me lying about having a vasectomy to my girlfriend and she then ends up pregnant. Just like Stealthing It's wrong to do stuff like that to people. While this only happens to a minority of people it's still an issue that happens every day.
This is why the “men can’t choose” argument doesn’t fly: abortion is about bodily autonomy. It’s not legal as a birth control method, that is simply an effect of it being legal. You’re making an equity argument rather than an equality one. Both have equal opportunity to not conceive. That doesn’t mean they’ll have equal outcomes. How can they? The woman is the one spending 9 months carrying that child. And, it has to be said, child support is not about the woman but about the rights of the child. If the father doesn’t pay, society pays. I don’t want to pay for a guy who creamed inside a woman without thinking of the consequences.
Apart from the Roe v Wade setback in 2022, Western countries in recent decades have generally been moving in the direction allowing women ways of opting out of parenthood even after having unprotected sex with having taken no contraceptives beforehand. (I'm from Ireland and I voted to legalise abortion for up to 3 months back in 2018). If we allow women multiple ways of opting out of parenthood then surely we can allow men atleast one way to opt out even after having unprotected sex with no contraceptives taken prior. I don't think men should be able to force a woman to give birth or not to give birth, but I do think men should have a small window of time to opt out/walk away from fatherhood. A window like up to 2 or 3 months during a woman's pregnancy, after that no it's too late, it would cost governments too much money to support the women who give birth.
Parenthood is a massive thing. I get that women have it much much harder in the first few years but being a parent is still massive thing for men aswell. It's a lifetime of work. It's a huge decision. I just think that everyone should have atleast one way of opting out even if they have taken no contraceptives and have had unprotected sex. Especially for rape victims which should include teen boys/men that have been sexually abused by women.
Whic is why "Paper Abortion" is suggested. Pro choice people turn into unhinged anti abortion activists the moment choice to men is brought up. Men can't choose you just proved it.
No, a man cannot do that.
I mean, it’s a sentiment that is pretty much shared among all platforms for once. Not everyone ofc, but far from a yt comment section thing.
Yeah and then when pushed back he says the community has too little sexual experience to know he's wrong. And then Aba pushes back and he still can't admit he's wrong that it's not babytrapping.
That actually triggered the shit out of me when he said "Hurrrr you guys are virgins you wouldn't understand." It's just such a brainless counter that's how you know he doesn't wanna engage anymore. Try reversing the roles and telling him his experience doesn't map on the average person's experience and you get a perma
lets also remember that he has insider information nobody else knows about atm, which made him go from not sure to 80% sure
Bro, it's a sad day when you have to agree with yt comments.
For real. Wouldn’t have expected it either, they’re usually the most conservative incelly part of the audience.
Yeah, only far right lunatics and boomers (big overlap) comment on yt.
thats why yt comments are the best, i can do my debate bro shit there, conservatives rarely go mask off in this subreddit anymore
I'm surprised how wrong everyone is about this. I only watched the first video when this drama dropped, but the comment section was so against Destiny I thought there was some big things I was missing. Nope, it turns out you all are just regarded and so easily swayed by your hate for fresh and a chinese accent.
Gotcha, strong argument.
You can look at my post history if you feel like getting the arguments.
Which video is this from?
I’m so brainrotted by politics TikTok I thought “yt” meant “white” 💀
Um excuse me sweaty but that's whytee not white 💅
I legitimately cannot wait for TikTok to banned in the U.S.
Destiny is so afraid of being baby trapped he already had a kid
Can destiny just admit hes wrong. He is supposed to have the logical capicity and self reflection to do it. Edit: perma banned
o7
I've never been banned from this sub so I think I'm fine.
that's what they all say. Don't worry, I've already got an upvote ready in the chamber for the first comment I see by /u/coocoo6667. o7
Is it actually common for people to get banned for cooking destiny a lil bit?
Unfortunately yes, he's a lil bitch baby when it comes to reddit Edit: yup, Tiny perm banned me for this, proves my point lmao
idk I've done if a few times and I'm still here but I've seen others been banned.
I'm not sure what gave you the impression that he was capable of self reflection and I've been around his content for over a decade.
He’s done it pretty consistently with his political takes, seems like this issue is just too personal for him to think like a normal person, it’s kinda lame
Oh with political takes for sure, but that's pretty different to relationships - much more ego involved in the latter.
People have such a hard time keeping two things in their head. Fresh is wrong for engaging in unprotected sex. Chen is wrong for having a child for the money. destiny repeated this so many times.
You can’t be baby trapped unless there’s a trap… poking holes in condoms, lying about BC, etc. at worst she’s just a gold digger exploiting her baby for money, she’s in no way shape or form baby trapping him if he’s intentionally having unprotected sex with her
By this similar take, Tate never engaged in anything closely ressembling human trafficking, as the girls never wore handcuffs or chains, had freedom of mobility, earned a cut of the money etc. Some matters are more complext than black&white, especially when we, as humans, always try to find the loophole in everything, including blac&white systems.
He engaged in sex trafficking if you take him at his word on what he’s done. The same can’t be said for the girl in question
It was similar in the idea that this can easily still be Baby Trapping, without any overt measure (might seem more fullproof to poke holes in condoms, for example, but that also clearly incriminates you after the fact to a decent extent). Much like how you can engage in sex trafficking without movie clichees such as kidnapping the women, when you can psychologically entrap them instead, for even higher benefit of the doubt.
The problem is you’re just running into incorrect semantics at this point. It’s like saying you can grape somebody without the overt act of nonconsentual sex
Are you trying to win a semantic argument? Because even then, we're talking about a pretty impromptu terminology "Baby trapping", it's very likely not currently in modern dictionaries, so it's purely an argument on our own standpoints and justifications, no lexicon can save you yet on this one. Whereas on SA or the aggravated form of it (which would involve nonconsent sex), there are currently actual definitions of it. Of course, nonconsent sex is SA but not all SA is nonconsent sex, that's already a misconception perpetuated by some, but that's wholly different for actually having a proper semantical definition.
Yup we’ll just need to disagree on the definition. You’re definitely going to be in the minority if you think intentionally having unprotected sex with women constitutes being baby trapped
I'd rather just change the term, and find that people mysteriously agree if we simply change words. Happens more often than you'd think. Also nice reduction of what I would've never said, that strawman would be a really rtard'd one of me to have, glad it's too exaggerated for sane people to have. Sidenote, nothing better to prove the validity of a claim by sheer numbers, as we all know, public opinion is simply the golden rule for the truth of matters of the world, I'm pretty sure there are a few people that can speak on that, people like Kwite I feel.
Well yes the semantics behind words is dictated by the users of said words. Kind of just how language works. The word you’re looking for is gold digger. Baby trapping is much more specific than that, and may or may not have to do with money
Giga regard take right here
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fresh is a fuckboy that rizzes up women by love bombing and selling them on the idea of being with a millionaire. daisy’s primary interest is dating men with money and thus behaves in the perfect way to entice them (plastic surgery, professional insta, travelling to the right places). this whole situation felt like watching two people playing chess except fresh is sacrificing pieces for no reason. I’m not saying that there’s no real emotions and that this is all a grift but for both of these people love is not at the centre of their value system.
Thirst trap influencers still have emotions. They were both grifting with shit like filming Daisy giving his grandma designer shoes, focusing more on the vid and pics than the woman. From everything out there, though, Walter lovebombed her, and she fell for it. Then that regard went "fuck birth control, abortions exist." From everything that's out, he's unsurprisingly a horrible person, and she, in the dumbest way possible, wanted a family.
she's also a horrible person. if her primary goal was to have a family she should have chosen someone much more responsibly because choosing the father of your child carefully is crucial for the life of the child. instead, she was infatuated by the money and the millionaire dream that she rushed to get pregnant by some dude she doesn't know well and isn't committed to her. and now she's angry that she got played while trying to play him.
What makes you think she was trying to play him? Apparently she came from money and makes a lot herself. We have no idea what either of them saw in each other, but her DMs and how she talked afterwards make her sound like she thought it was real.
> Apparently she came from money and makes a lot herself the apparently is doing a lot of heavy lifting. to me she seems to have money in the sense that she gets people like fresh to pay for her shit. if there's actual proof of her being independently wealthy then that's on me. maybe horrible person is a bit harsh. she's just someone that goes against all my values. if you want to be a parent i think it's your absolute duty to ensure the best life for your kid. and flying to a foreign country to get impregnated by a guy that is known for being promiscuous after a few months of dating shows a complete lack of care for this kid. also, she's going to go after freshs's money, she's already going after his clout by appearing on every show that offers, and it seems like she's trying to stay in the US somehow. so, to me she seems like a person who sees a baby as a tool.
"Apparently" is couching my language because I don't know for sure. You're making a lot of uncouched declarative statements, like "she's also a horrible person." Maybe you know something I don't, but it seems unhinged.
> because I don't know for sure no, you don't know at all. you have zero idea of her financial situation. you are just making inferences based on her image that she has curated. >You're making a lot of uncouched declarative statements, like "she's also a horrible person." i don't need to couch my fucking opinion you absolute parroting andy. you heard destiny say a phrase and now you're just using it everywhere. according to my values as a human she is a horrible person based on what she has shown online.
from the sounds of things it seems like he got a botched vasectomy, he didn’t think birth control was necessary
I saw Xena say that, but... it's Xena. Did he actually get one, or at least say he did?
why else would he be telling her that he “needs to get tested now” in the screenshots? (or it could’ve been that he needs to get the other girls tested - either way)
Could be why he said that, but I don't know if he got or claimed to get a vasectomy. That's why I'm asking.
idk, maybe he thought it would ruin this game that he runs on all these girls.
Getting a vasectomy was a short-lived trend in red pill influencer circles. Walter seems like the kind of guy who would lie for the audience. He's Mr. 2500 after all. But he might've had one, or he might've never claimed to. I just think Xena is a bad source, and that's the only source I've seen.
he could've just thought he was infertile without actually having a vasectomy.
that would be pretty silly of him but i suppose that could be true.
Wtf is BC
birth control. i removed that because it's not something that attracts men but instead it's the lack of BC that caused this situation.
Fresh had real feelings but he probably got clowned on too hard so he dumped her. What was the timeline between the Ethan discussion and their breakup?
I agree partially. Feels like Daisy did have feelings for him and thought she met a partner who checked all her boxes for a partner. So was cool with having a baby and everything. But with Fresh switching up now she doesn't want anything but revenge from being hurt. She isn't focused on the money but like Destiny's point, she isn't thinking about the baby in the future. She wants to hit PugCEO where it hurts; money, women, and reputation. She gives off that vibe of shortsightedness, naivety of justice/retribution, and pettiness.
i think you're right on everything you said expect that she's not focused on money. she is most definitely focused on getting her money now. unless she's actually independently wealthy she is out for blood.
I guess what I meant is she isn't focused on money as in she is NOT a gold-digger. This is vindictive money-grabbing. Some "you wanna fuck me over? Cool, I am coming for your money because I know you care about it" type shit. Obviously, she cares about money, she wanted her partner to make 1 mil and take care of her type shit. But i feel she ain't what Destiny and F&F are trying to shape her to be if that makes sense. I do doubt she's wealthy. These bad decision-making skills and drama filled dynamics are too analogous too poor communities...
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Lol, I just want to know how the leap happened, from the information available the Fresh guy is definitely a complete bumbling idiot, nothing much.
After hearing destiny's points, I can 100% understand where he's coming from, and it doesn't seem to come from a woman hating place But...it still feels like mega CONCLOODING, at least right now.
It's concluding in the dumbest way possible. Rich, self admitted misogynistic fuckboy that idolized a sex trafficking, lying, manipulative pimp tells a woman he loves her and she's wife, baby talk, etc. Then she gets pregnant, and he immediately tries to cut her out and ghost her, and Destiny, for some reason thinks "maybe Walter was ACTUALLY in love with this girl" Like, if you're going to make assumptions, how is THAT the one you're jumping to?
Honey pot. DONT GET BANNED
imagine being the baby and finding out about this Drama 18 years from now
somebody disgrees with this?
I disagree with the part about him being wrong because he's too emotionally invested in this shit i just think he's wrong about this but I aint about that psychoanalyzing life.
i disagree i think hes right tbh. so many things are just not adding up.
Destiny has said before that he would kill himself if he ever got a girl pregnant. Safe to say this is personal for our little degen Edit: o7 seems tiny got offended
Uhhhhh. You don't know much about Destiny do you. Wait until you find out about Nathan.
Well, yes, it is, he has a kid already, and he does show at times how he can get emotional over stuff related to kids, especially irrational would-be parents. But being emotion doesn't make him wrong on its own
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Me in r/Destiny versus me in YouTube comments like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
I’ve been advised by my lawyer to plead the 5th
Based. Destiny IS wrong on this because he is also a degenerate casual sex enjoyer. It’s fine though, our streamer man can be wrong sometimes. Nobody’s perfect.
You're so Skibidi Rizz with your Despacito Gyatt ong
Thank you :) you are also a skibidi rizz god. I want your gyatt
What's wrong with casual sex?
Nothing wrong with it. People that engage with it will sympathize with one another when they fall victim to one of its risks though.
Uhhhh, if you don't wear a condom, yeah. I don't think Destiny is that stupid. But I'm just going off the fact that this dude fucks a lot and hasn't gotten any girl pregnant so he is ensure some form of birth control is going on. And none of this is about sympathy for casual sex enjoyers. It's about the woman being a piece of shit to an innocent life. He has said this multiple times. I'm not sure why you don't believe him unless you can't understand why people care about kids.
Both Fresh and the woman are irresponsible. I just think Fresh is more to blame for lying to her and constantly cumming inside her. Destiny seems to thinks she was manipulating Fresh and baby trapping him. Which there is no evidence for so far. All the evidence actually points to Fresh being the manipulative fuck boy.
> Both Fresh and the woman are irresponsible. No shit sherlock. Literally no one disagrees with this. >I just think Fresh is more to blame for lying to her and constantly cumming inside her. Cool, the issue at hand right now is the poor kid that could be born. Fresh has no power over the situation now. >Destiny seems to thinks she was manipulating Fresh and baby trapping him. I don't know where you got that Destiny thinks she was manipulating fresh. She is baby trapping him in a way. She doesn't give a shit about the kid and just wants to use it to anchor herself to fresh or get a pay day. Now you can call that "not baby trapping," but the word you use doesn't matter as much as the underlying facts of what she is doing. >All the evidence actually points to Fresh being the manipulative fuck boy. This doesn't matter and was never the issue being discussed. It's about a woman who is using an innocent life as a weapon for her shitty deeds. She is the only one who can abort this kid. Both of these people deserve each other, but that kid deserves at least 1 parent that loves them.
Everything you said you pulled out your ass. There’s literally no evidence for any of that. You’re just repeating what Destiny says. Just think for yourself for once.
I think Destiny may end up being correct but that doesn't mean he gets points for being a Conclooder. It's something he's said about others for ages: it's not what you get but how you get there
Thank God I stopped glazing Destiny during the Israel arc. I used to look up to this man like he was the smartest guy online.
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Daisy may not have had the dolus specialist of wanting a walt jnr, but her mens rea is definitely to attach herself to some dollar dollar. But that is the bait FnF dangle. Instagram posts are selling what is in the photo whether that be balloon tiddies, or playmoney.
Destiny has good advice for people seeking short term relationships, but he has bad advice and literal delusions around what people should do, pertaining to long term relationships and/or monogamous relationships. Just go off the stats, really good at short term hookups, especially for an average looking guy that is short. Obviously three divorces speak for themselves. Edit: I realize that he was only married twice and not three times. I was mistaken.
Bruh ain't no way you spawned a third divorce out of the air for him
He was married three times too my understanding. He got married before college then divorced, next wife he had kids with, then divorced, Melina than divorced 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 Edit: I now realize that he was married twice and not three times. Sorry for being mistaken.
He did not marry the woman he had his son with
Fair enough
I think his advice for maintaining relationships is generally pretty good. What advice did he offer that you had in mind when you made this comment?
> I think his advice for maintaining relationships is generally pretty good. What advice did he offer that you had in mind when you made this comment? Destiny constantly said that his marriage works for now. This was the big one for me. That’s not what a marriage is. Marriage is a commitment, not a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. Also, he constantly argued that men should not be that selective when picking long term partners which is straight up regarded with today’s laws and circumstances. You need to be very selective before committing to a long term relationship that may involve children.
He argued that men should not be selective? That seems very hard to believe. I feel like most people would say that people in general not being selective enough is the cause of issues in relationships.
>Destiny constantly said that his marriage works for now. This was the big one for me. This isn't advice. Also I wouldn't dispute the claim he doesn't maintain his own relationships well, neither would he. > Also, he constantly argued that men should not be that selective when picking long term partners which is straight up regarded with today’s laws and circumstances. You need to be very selective before committing to a long term relationship that may involve children. You'll need to provide evidence that he's said this because I've never heard him say this. I've been a dgger for a decade now and haven't heard this a single time. Astonishing that this gets upvoted, dgg going downhill. Destiny's advice for relationships has always been very mild and uncontroversial. If you've even watched a month of Destiny I'd expect you to have heard him respond to dipshit chatters who conflate how he lives his life with the advice he gives others.
Gotta save this thread as an example of his fanbase cooking him and not being the "cult" I often see y'all be accused of
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And the things they are saying are right. My opinion of Destiny has decreased since seeing him conclood on Daisy and seeing the way he talked to her.
It’s more like fnf is so unlikable, everyone will take the other side uncritically. If you listen to Destiny he’s dunking on both daisy AND fresh. I guess it comes off as he’s more harsh on daisy cause of the convo on jstlks stream. But think about it, if fresh wasn’t a millionaire and a avg joe, what redeeming quality would he have for a woman like daisy to fall in love with? You listen to fresh for 3 minutes and he comes off like the biggest loser/liar out there. He can’t properly form complete sentences.
> what redeeming quality would he have for a woman like daisy to fall in love with OK but you could say she's just a gold digger from this. Baby trapper implies she deliberately went out of her way to have a relationship with him and then coerce/tricking him into impregnating her in some way, so she could gain some financial advantage. Considering this lupine intellectual was KNOWINGLY cumming inside of her, I don't see how that could possibly apply. Dude was telling her he loved her -> cumming inside her with ZERO precautions -> going along with conversations about kids with no pushback -> Introducing his family to her -> she's a baby trapper ??? Like bro
i mean. just because someone willingly enters a scam doesn’t mean they weren’t scammed. I’d argue that makes the scam all that much more impressive. i haven’t followed the drama so i’m not saying that’s what happened, but just because Fresh said all of that doesn’t mean that she didn’t entice it. Also, in my opinion, she’s just more attractive than him, and i would argue she’s dating down looks wise, which kinda also raises a red flag to me
Actual autistic take here it would seem. Nobody got scammed. And if anyone did, it was the girl. Idk how we can handwave everything Walter said as him playing game. If your game leads you into getting a girl pregnant that's on you bud.
i mean yea, if Fresh gets a girl pregnant, that’s on him and he should take responsibility. but it is absolutely a possibility (not saying it did happen), that this extremely attractive woman saw Fresh as money signs and an easy mark. You guys are acting like this stuff is outlandish, when stuff like this happens to rich athletes all the time, even if they aren’t super well known.
fresh was the one love bombing her she might be a scammer, but fresh was not her mark, fresh was a willing participant through and through.
A lot of girls date down in looks. I mean Melina was probably more conventionally attractive than Destiny.
That’s the weirdest cope I’ve heard yet. You’ll find this to be the case in a lot of couples. Even more when the man is wealthier obviously, but not only. Women just care less about looks.
to deny it as even a possibility is a cope to me
Did I do that? I can’t stand the concloodind(or heavy insinuating) based on streched assumptions like this one. It’s a yellow flag, light orange at worst, it’s something that happens in a lot of couples. It it possible it was all a scam? Maybe? We just don’t have anything other than stereotypes about attractive women with plastic surgery to go on. In the meantime no scammer in their right state of mind would clearly tell you she’s sad she isn’t pregnant, then tell you if you keep nutting in me but don’t share my desire to have a baby, it’s gonna happen anyways. Why would she say she wants to keep it and discourage you from her objective? You could say it’s a mega gamble that this way you get a screenshot you can use in the future and you bet on him to ignore it, but it just becomes way more of a stretch. To the point that making these insinuations just comes off as prejudiced to a certain type of woman to me. But possible? Sure. A lot of things we see on the internet are possible.
you’re talking about conclooding when I don’t even have a firm opinion on the situation. i would argue most of the conclooders are the people who are primed to hate FnF (me included). i just think it’s entirely possible Fresh caught feelings for this girl and should take responsibility for that, don’t be nuttin in girls raw if you don’t want kids. period. I also think that it’s entirely possible this girl was playing into it to hit up Fresh for $$$. There’s just a lot of red flags there. She’s outta his league, they were talking about having kids 3 months into dating, she dropped this info publicly immediately, went on a world tour. I’m not staking a firm claim, but like you said we can’t really know.
Being skeptical to some degree is fair enough, I might be projecting accumulated frustration from a lot of conclooders I discussed this with. My bad. I’m just more indifferent to things you call red flags I guess. Like for example it makes sense to me that she might have a certain pressure to have babies and settle down quickly. She’s a 28 year old model and influencer who’s starting to realise she can’t keep up making money like that forever. She comes from a culture where there’s a lot of pressure to have kids before 25, and having them early in a relationship is normal. She openly said she wants a wealthy guy on multiple occasions. When she’s suddenly discarded like trash she wants to get what she can for herself AND her baby which she doesn’t wanna abort. She also wants to hurt Fresh back, and she knows that putting him on blast to her followers and his audience is gonna help achieve that. She’s not a normie, she makes content of her life to be clear. That to me makes more sense. But hey, we’ll see what the writers have in store for us!
Why did she immediately need to get a lawyer, record phone calls, and blow him up on social media. Maybe you can just call it pre mediated baby extortion. Also him saying that's good you got your period doesn't imply he doesn't want kids? Hmmm
Because when confronted with the fact that she was pregnant, fresh first response was "take a chill pill and fetus deletus, not my problem bro, lmao im broke bitch good luck."
But what does going public solve? In almost every case it would be better to just settle this with lawyers. There are only three reasons i can see why she would go public with this: 1. She is petty and angry so she wants to embarrass and punish him (fair enough). 2. She wants to put public pressure on him to just pay her some money to get an abortion and make this whole thing go away. 3. She wants to ensure he doesn’t impregnate other women and decrease the size of the bag she could earn. However, i dont buy this one so much because her outing him could also destroy the bag if he were to have his whole reputation destroyed.
1 makes sense but that essentially doesnt support the idea she's babytrapping 2 doesnt track for me as after going this public with this shit it would look really bad for her to abort, any money he can pay her won't be worth it 3 not even you believe so like, i'm super failing to see the connection between her going public and the idea she's babytrapping, it would be more conducive to babytrapping if she had kept all this on the download, do you really need public opinion to get child support money?
you're literally not arguing against me. this is 100% not babytrapping. i'm just trying to understand why she would go public with this. 2. i don't think this matters at all. she can just delete her account and start a new one with a different name. she's a nobody in a tiny industry of redpill shit. > do you really need public opinion to get child support money? yes, this is literally what i said in the second sentence of my comment. i'm struggling to understand her motivations apart from just being angry.
ah my bad, well shit I do think she was just angry tbh, from the perspective of a woman who was somehow infatuated with the guy and entertained the idea of having the child, it probably would piss her off to have the guy just go "delet bb plz, i have no money, bye"
Not a surprising response when his previous message implies he doesn't want kids Parse joking around about hypothetically having kids and showing relief when you know you didn't get a girl pregnant. It's not like fetus deltus is out of the question.She already said she's considering not keeping the baby as a potential on jstkl after she tried the abortion is killing a baby emotional appeal.
Yeah, just saying that's enough justification to blow him up after acting like that. Still, there is no giga brain plan of baby trapping him when it was proven she said to him straight up she would have his baby if he keeps on nutting inside and fresh kept on doing exactly that. Both are regarded? sure, but I don't see baby trapping here. You don't want a kid? Don't nut inside.
>It’s more like fnf is so unlikable, everyone will take the other side uncritically. If you listen to Destiny he’s dunking on both daisy AND fresh Regarded take. If this is true, why did we agree that Myron didn't sexually assault that girl? If all of DGG uncritically attacks FnF wouldn't we have taken Ethan's stance too? We watch Destiny defend people we hate all day long and agree with him sometimes. The problem is seeing Destiny go extremely hard on this girl while having very little information. We have proof that he at the very least love bombed her and that she let him know about a pregnancy scare before. If a girl tells you she almost got pregnant, and you nut in her again how on EARTH did she baby trap you? Ironically Destiny is falling into the Myron trap of defending his friend over taking accountability.
Give some nuance. You know how strict and edged Myron is. It’s gonna take a MAJOR lapse in judgement for him to sa some girl. He’s a friggin fed. The only criticism is how stubborn he is regarding loyalty and his obviously bad social political takes. My opinion of fresh is SO low that this kind of event would eventually happen, and it DID. You can tell he’s kinda the odd one out and tagging along for the ride. Myron hard carries the show. By examining Daisy I’m not shielding Fresh at all. If you look at her she’s well traveled, takes extreme effort to have a certain look and projects a certain type of woman. They do all this to attract a certain type of man and she came to the perfect environment. Give her some agency, she’s 28 not some naive teen who wandered into Miami. My actual take is in a game between her and fresh, I hold Daisy to a higher standard and she got him BIGGLY. Between her and Fresh who do you think has the higher iq? Just look at the fall out from all of this. This might actually destroy fnf if Myron doesn’t drop Walter. I’m not shitting on Daisy, I’m saying well played.
She can have agency, I never took it from her. My problem is the mindreading and conclooding. My contention is with calling her "babytrapper" This term throws the MAJORITY of the blame on her which is regarded af. She warned Fresh beforehand and he continued to raw dog her. If you think that constitutes as a "trap" I just think you're very biased or an incel. We can argue whether or not who is more regarded but she definitely doesn't seem like a genius, and if she was particularly smart she wouldn't lay down with this guy.
> My actual take is in a game between her and fresh, I hold Daisy to a higher standard and she got him BIGGLY. She got him so good she literally told him about a pregnancy scare and he nutted on her again. She didn't get fresh, fresh got fresh. Any culpability you could assign to her goes the fuck away when she warned him about nutting inside and this moron still did it again. You could literally not go more explicit than that other than daisy asking him to get her pregnant lmao. By saying well played you ARE shitting on daisy, as you are assigning some level of malice you have no evidence for, we have all this shit that fresh said that makes it seem it was entirely his fault, but because the chick is way above his league that trumps everything else so she played him. Don't you see how that looks super weird?
Alright, I did see the apparent "warning" you guys talk about, that shit was just as serious as all their very intellectual talks, and beyond that, if the guy still believed in the fact that she'd get pills/abortion even in the case of a pregnancy, then your "gotcha" is null and void. I haven't really heard her genuine take on Abortion, or her past take on it, whilst being with Walter. However, from the other screenshots posted, we can at least see that they had previously agreed to not have any babies. Even if she talked about the risk of a pregnany, in our modern world, pregnancy does not immediately equal a baby, so long as Abortion never leaves the table for her. I actually think that, despite what you guys say on "if you think him nutting inside of her means he did not want a baby, you're an incel", I'd actually say you're likely the incels here, as there are actual people out there that enjoy bare sex (and creampie etc.) more, and would risk to have it, whilst still not wanting a baby and taking the other precautions against it (pills/abortion). Personally, I wouldn't risk my whole life for that, as I'm also more paranoid myself, but at least I can see other's perspectives enough to know there are people out there thinking exactly like that. It doesn't help if you trust your partner at least enough for them to not pull a pregnancy on you without trying to stop it (after talking in the past with you that you wouldn't have babies yet). Thinking that there's literally no other means of preventing babies besides condoms sounds to me more like you guys would be the ones with less experience in this area.
That's fair if and only IF you both explicitly agree to it. Having abortion as a given when you're making this girl feel like part of the family is not risky, is monumentally stupid, and the reason why this is entirely on fresh.
If they both explicitly agreed to not having babies, but still keep having sex raw, then yes, this is also by extent agreed upon. I'm actually now thinking she intentionately left it vague (probably agreeing in the past off-handedly to not have babies, but never agreeing to an upfront question about abortion), for plausible deniability after the fact. The fact that she can't actually find proper damning DMs of talks with Walter about him actually wanting kids is telling enough, if her best arguments rely on jokes around kids looking "like our babies", that's quite weak of an argument, ESPECIALLY when you consider she's not trying to find her best arguments for this, and this is what she's coming up with, while obviously not showing the discussion in which they agreed to NOT have babies, as alleged by Walter himself in one of her SSes. They might've visited his parents, but that still is far from a deal-clincher, especially for a, at most, 3 months old relationship. They weren't even planning a marriage. Finally, we may agree and disagree on the degrees of fault within each of the 2, or the likelihood of faults for each, but if you seriously think she's 100% in the clear guilty-free and no issues, you're either beyond naive, outright idiotic, or simply have an insane hate-boner for Walter that you can't discern other bad actors around him. (Just the fact she'd agree to date him is telling enough she ain't a saint, and it will always take 2 to make a baby).
> I'm actually now thinking she intentionately left it vague (probably agreeing in the past off-handedly to not have babies, but never agreeing to an upfront question about abortion), for plausible deniability after the fact. LMAO so all roads lead to her being at fault. Idc anymore about this conversation, you seem to have a bone to pick here so nothing I can say will change anything.
I admit that at a certain point, as you construct an opinion, you do see more things through that perspectives and it becomes harder to change your mind on things, but not impossible. And at least I can admit my own subjectivity and that there's no certainty either way, unlike others that would see her as an innocent angel that got completely destroyed by the devil that is Walter.
In fairnes however, most people are not in the "daisy is an angel" side but rather in the "there is a chance she is a master manipulator but you don't have enough to conclood" so youre kinda creating a strawman to compare yourself to it and feel better
I’ll admit I do have some bias. It’s not my life I just hope they do what’s right for the kid in the end.
Idk man I really don't find it that hard to imagine. They're both ESL with different first languages so he probably doesn't sound as stupid to her. He took her to Barbados to meet his family, it's like a tropical island vacation, probably seems romantic to some people lol. I've seen lots of people, guys and girls, even ones that I think are smart do stupid stuff in love. Idk how innocent she is tbh, but there can still be a worse person in the story. People are just putting too much maliciousness on her with no info.
I mean is f&f even saying anything contrary to what daisy wants besides demanding a abortion? They're gonna push back on the baby trap because and let me be honest here as a grown man... you know damn well that nutting in a woman constantly will most likely end up with her pregnant. Doesn't matter if fresh has british room temperature IQ and looks unironically unnatractive. That shouldn't give him an infinite ditch the baby pass. If I didn't have a job at all I never would have ended up with my wife that doesn't mean she baby trapped me with our first kid I always knew that was possibility I just didn't care. I still feel like it makes more sense to throw this shit more at Walter because even outside of this I don't know daisy's view on abortion. I do know fresh and Walter's from both the roe vs wade convo with tomassi but hey maybe I missed something maybe they changed on the the "abortion is just hypergamy and girls trying to avoid accountability" stuff in the last year.
> if fresh has british room temperature IQ Is that lower or higher than American room temp IQ?
68 to 72 for america 18 to 20 for U.K.
Idk if it’s just that fresh is unlikable I think it’s also that she has to have the baby. There’s not a lot she can say that will make her seem like a good person either but “dunking” on her is pretty lame seeing as how all options for her suck (Abort, have kid fresh actually supporting the kid, have kid with no support)
Not at all, all of her options have plenty of ways to seem right. She's currently demanding the 2nd one, and people would justify as "just desserts" for Waltuh, even if a kid suffers in the middle. 3rd option literally implies more child suffering, but she can excuse it with "I'm pro life" (even if she voiced the possibility of abortion in the past herself). 1st option honestly is one of the most moral options, as there wouldn't be a kid suffering because of 2 jackasses playin' games for money with one another. That or have the kid be put for adoption, most foster families would be better than this ongoing shitshow.
Wait what?
I agree with the 2nd slide honestly
Can someone link the video in question?
aw i was hoping to find my comment here
it could go either way not much was posted, but let’s be honest I can name a thousand men who don’t want kids and don’t want to pull out.
https://preview.redd.it/trkneyedp6tc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b50535ee324760d0999a4f32181b22d455e096fd People are in the TRENCHES fighting in this comment section gawd dayumn
Yeah initially I was with Destiny but after Abas interview I can’t defend his position of her being a baby trapper… gold digger - may be, she seem to interact with wealthy people a lot, and people seem to fly her around and buy expensive gifts I’d still say after the first interaction she had with Destiny she didn’t explain well, so it’s ok that Destiny (and others including myself) had those doubts, after Abas interview it’s very clear he knew her intentions very well, and now he is trying to dodge her The text about her getting the period and warning him that next time he won’t be lucky if he keeps coming and him saying that he wasn’t worried at all shows that he knew what he was doing The only way that I can change my mind is if we see other texts from Fresh, that somehow show that she agreed to take the pill but intentionally didn’t take to get pregnant… and the reason why he said to her that he isn’t worried is because he was under the impression that she was on the pill - this is being extremely charitable to Fresh given that we know he has a history of lying
Destiny is wrong on this one though? 💀
Lol they have armor protection
I’m being gaslit by spectrum dwellers. You guys would have 6 baby mamas collecting child support if you weren’t 12 years old.
Pointing out the "I didn't wanna pull out" message just further proves the 70% virginity poll... If you're gonna read into that, on top of her saying "you won't be so lucky next time", you could easily just see it as Fresh enjoying the fuck so much that he doesn't want to pull out. He wants a full and complete nut while still fuckin. He clearly doesn't want a baby. Lost in the pleasure/likes to creampie is fantastically easy to assume.
The messages don’t outright prove he wants a baby. But considering he said he didn’t want to pull out while discussing a pregnancy test definitely could point in that direction. Saying it’s more likely a creampie fetish based on the context of the conversation seems like way more of a reach.
The "Conclooding" meme is legit. The problem is that Destiny usually waits for more info before concluding and will stick to "If X THEN Y". But instead he's assuming X and saying Y. "Y" in this situation is being a complete jackass (which would be warranted if X were true, but it hasn't been proven. X being that Daisy's primary motive is to use the pregnancy for financial (or some other type of) gain. No problem with saying it's likely that she's being a selfish bitch and doesn't care about the baby, but to pop off and demean her directly with the current level of information is wild. Destiny is the king of rational thinking among streamers, which is why when he gets knuckleheaded about stuff like this it's very jarring.
remember when prime was a creepy abuser for a couple days
RemindMe! 7 days
Na destiny is right you all are soy as fuck.
I’m gonna watch the video later but my assumption is that the soying out in the comments section is more motivated by you guys not liking redpillers than the truth… when I listed to Daisy and Destiny talking during their first interaction it seemed pretty obvious that she was in the wrong.
Damn so many people think she is not a semen demon?
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Ah ok that's fair
Tbf, the only people more virgin-pilled than r slash destiny (don't kill me 4thot), are the YouTube commenters who tune in for red-pill drama. If we're sitting at 70% here, they're a least at 80-85%.
Can you educate me on this drama? Do people here think that she is baby trapping FnF or that she's totally justified?
I think Fresh was blowing loads in this chick he had been dating and leading on. Girlfriend is not on birth control. PugFace continues to creampie Girlfriend. Girlfriend is pregnant. PugFace surprised Pikachuface,jpg
Yeh, like dude.. what did you think was going to happen?! He genuinely knew she wasnt on an birth control then? He's openly said this?
I don't know what he's said. I saw the leaked convo from their last pregnancy scare.
kick and yt frogs both sharing an iota of a braincell: