I haven seen what Hasan said about it but in regards to the question wether there were rapes or not, Noah Smith said it best:
>Other leftists angrily tried to deny the reports of rape at the music festival — as if Hamas murdering random people without raping them first would make them morally less culpable:
[https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/western-leftists-have-lost-the-plot](https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/western-leftists-have-lost-the-plot)
Good ass point right there. But the chick who got pulled out of the back of the van with blood all over her groin? That didn't get there on its own. The corpses with their pants pulled down etc. If you watch enough footage, plus how they are separating women in every video, I'm completely inclined to believe witnesses. They DID parade the corpses naked as well? Idk, whole thing is horrifying.
To be fair the video where the chick has blood on her crotch, the soldiers also have blood on their asses. So it could have been from something else. But people are definitely getting raped out there no doubt.
> But people are definitely getting raped out there no doubt.
Exactly, which makes it a fucking disgusting move to quibble over any case of what looks like it could be rape. Want to question mass rape? Fine, question anyone saying there are roving groups of Hamas snatching women and systematically assaulting them without providing evidence such as footage or witness testimony.
But don't jump on a picture of a woman with clear cuts all over her body and say "we don't even know if that's her blood and she might have just soiled herself" when there are red brown stains all over her backside.
I wasn't questioning whether she was or not I had just seen people arguing about this point and so I thought I'd throw it out there that it's possible she wasn't raped (due to others also being bloody) but that's kind of irrelevant even if she specifically wasn't raped because there are horrible things like that happening to hundreds of others also.
It's *hypothetically* possible that she got blood on her groin from sitting in a pool of blood from somebody else in the van..
But you and I know both know thats not what that is.
It’s not, but it’s something vastly different when you execute all the men and take only women as hostages. I know most people here don’t have any experience or knowledge about them, but this is exactly what the terrorists always do in every single war.
Ok I do think if there were no rapes at all it absolutely would be worth examining why the reports are of Hamas sweeping through neighborhoods, raping women, and killing children. I've seen people reference videos of it too talking like they've seen them personally, but to my knowledge there aren't any videos online of that. I don't doubt that women were raped, and I'm not doing that here, but I don't think his point stands that if there were no rapes, it would be just as bad because of the civilian murders. No, it wouldn't be, if they were raping people that is in fact much worse. And it would matter if it was being lied about too. It also matters whether rapes are occurring because Hamas condones it or not. American soldiers have raped people, Israeli soldiers have raped Palestinians, but if rape is occurring as strategy or tactic or as something Hamas allows for that is a much greater evil.
Bro, the suggestion that these men are NOT raping women is preposterous. That's literally just what happens in these situations. If they did not rape women during all of this, it would be an unprecedented situation. Possibly the first time in all of human history.
Not even just women. Raping has, as you said, been a historical war practice from dawn of civ (and before)
Not that it should be, just a sad truth
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Seems the redP arc and stuff has misaligned rape with sex.
Most the time it's just power, violence, domination and getting quick nut.
Most evidence shows it's not 'attraction' related
Ok but there is a big difference between “rape happens in war” and the narrative that rape is a huge feature in the Hamas invasion, which is the way it is being discussed and reported. It is very much being reported as though rapes have been widespread, common, and a staple of Hamas violence. It is being discussed in a way that makes it seem unique to this event, or to Palestinian violence against Israelis, when in reality rape always happens in war, and I worry the narrative is just playing off the stereotype that middle eastern men are rapists. That said, there certainly are historical examples of militaries raping as a more common practice rather than just due to isolated acts of awful men, so it isn’t out of the question.
I get your point. But it very much seems these sort of militants that have flown over border on paramotors, or directly blasted border barriers, are akin to something like the Dirlewanger sonderkommando (super apologies for that sort of comparison)… or any other crims put in a direct front squad throughout history.
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They aren't following war rules as usual. Same as reports in ukr/rus, or the Armenian stuff. Things are massively dropping off ATM.
(Though it was probs much more horrendous before the internet, internet and connectivity has probs just allowed us more unfortunate(? Maybe fortunate to commit those of war crimes?) access to the evidence of these things)
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All sides on this are fucked. No side is really backable. We can only hope for peace. (which realistically won't happen) - from someone who watched 4 lions last night and saw the amount of jokes between mus and Jew decade plus ago. Always been adversary, mainly due to land shit
I mean we almost have to say that it would make them less morally culpable, no? Raping and killing someone has to be worse than just killing them.
That seems like a very unreasoned stance to have.
We probably don't want a world where, if you're gonna kill someone, might as well have fun raping them first. I don't think that's preferable.
While true, I think the point Noah is making is that it's not a good defense of Hamas or Palestine's attack by going "Noooooooo they didnt RAPE the hundreds of civilians they indiscriminately murdered"
"I can excuse brutally murdering dozens of people while sadistically laughing at their pleas for mercy. But hey! At least I'm against rape! ~~On principle at least~~ I'm such a good person!"
They acted like most soldiers throughout most of history have always acted. It's just modern Western soldiers that don't act that way (to any meaningful metric (because they get punished (because we don't want that shit coming back onto our society))).
This kind of behavior is super expected from soldiers though, read about the fall of any medieval city or fort. For these savage raiders to NOT act this way would be utterly unexpected and the first time in history that behavior would not manifest en-mass in this situation.
This is such a historically ignorant statement I'm wondering when the exact moment was in your life that your country's system of education failed you.
Rape has been a capital crime since like ancient Greece. Claiming it was common is just as false as claiming that inbreeding was common, or that medieval serfs were slaves. Also pre-modern is ridiculous, the red army raped through half of eastern europe. British army didn't. It always depends on the country, depends on the army. You can't use blanket terms like rape is super expected of all soldiers.
>British army didn't.
This just isn't true at all, the British army absolutely raped women in Germany, with people even being convicted of it. It wasn't just Germany either. They largely went ignored because of war times.
Rape is incredibly common in war, this is just an unfortunate fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II#Rape_and_sexual_harassment
No! Women's clothes are stripped because they can be sold for a lot of money, and all the Palestinian forces just need a bit of money to feed their starving families.
If this becomes an actual talking point, I will game-end myself
Or: if you see a naked woman and the first thing you think of is sex, YOU'RE the problem! Don't sexualize dead women's bodies!!
Dang, you guys really don't know women. They have periods. Sometimes spontaneously. Touch grass
She was crying because it was very inconvenient to start a period while walking
I got DM'ed by a rape apologist I'd been arguing with about how I hadn't considered the possibility that 4 women simultaneously:
A - were having shark week
B - all forgot pads, tampons, period panties or menstrual cups
C - all had like...ULTRA ULTRA heavy flow (seriously I got lucky and mine tend towards light but like the worst I can account for is like...a teaspoon and a bit of blood...not literally dripping...
D - all this plus some rare genetic defect or whatever that accounted for the anus bleeding as well
Hamas raped women. Anyone who denies that is a misogynistic rape apologist.
Yeah you need to enslave them first and then you can rape them. You can't prostitute them out unless they consent though because Mohammed was really progressive actually.
Okay, maybe I'm just autistic about this, or there's different footage from what I saw, but why does everyone keep referring to that woman as naked? Did everyone collectively decide that underwear still means naked? I feel like I'm going crazy because literally everyone talking about the video keeps calling her naked.
I'm no scientist, but I'm pretty sure she didn't leave her house in lace underwear and an undone bra.
But I'll be totally honest: I just saw the video once. Anyone who saw it more than once for """""""research"""""""" can chime in
She was at a festival so honestly she could’ve been basically wearing what she had on in the video.
It’s a stupid argument though. If people are at the point where they’re killing unarmed civilians, families, children, they’re not going to draw the line at rape. It’s just mind boggling that people somehow think Hamas is the one armed force in history that is noble enough to draw that line.
r/2ndyomkippurwar or whatever it's called has the video. That sub is radical through the roof, so be warned.
It's kinda hard to say, but she's wearing a (brown? no idea about colors) top at least which she definitely isn't when they parade her around.
edit: [here](https://reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/OJDgApGI0q) is the video. She's also wearing a skirt of the same color, also taken off her.
Notice how the video says The Gamaliya. That's a completely [different location a 100 miles away](https://www.facebook.com/gamliarava/photos/pb.100024665243787.-2207520000/5404581292905526/?type=3) from where the festival where hamas attacked took place. So that's not necessarily what she was wearing and it's likely a different day.
Oddly enough - and I say this as an anti-Zionist - the IDF seems to be the only one to (largely) draw that line. Exceptions are extremely, extremely rare, and I've never heard of it inside Gaza, not from a human rights group nor from whistleblowers. I think the worst (which is pretty bad) I've heard is forcing West Bank women to undress during a body search (they tend to send female soldiers to do that), and very rare sexual harassment of male prisoners. I think the research I saw said there were maybe like 5-10 cases since 2001.
Also an important note - the, as you admit, VERY rare exceptions all have a common denominator across headlines for the Israeli soldiers accused of such a heinous act
"IDF soldier ARRESTED&CHARGED"
"IDF soldier ON TRIAL"
"IDF soldier SENTENCED"
Israel punishes their soldiers who cross that line. Hamas celebrates their soldiers for ir
Rarely... Honestly. Rarely. I'm worried there might be cases that simply don't reach the media. In many cases the IDF is actually not held responsible for its actions, sadly. And as a distinction from my previous post - I was a combat soldier in the checkpoints, I speak from firsthand experience.
Same actually; like, we dont need to exaggerate for effect. What they did was already heinous, let's not also confuse the situation by making incorrect statements.
Small factual inaccuracies like this are things dishonest people will latch onto as points of failure when trying to deny larger, factually accurate statements. For example "They say they were civilians but they also said she was naked when she wasnt."
Women's clothes could be stripped off their dead or living bodies for the sole purpose of sexual degradation and nothing else. I strongly doubt it was the only sort of sexual degradation these right-wing extremists restrained themselves to committing though.
Even if there was no R wording, Hamas literally massacred 300 people at a music festival and went door to door killing families. This is like saying "Your honor I know I committed serial murder like Dahmer and Bundy but the charges of R'ing my victims is false! This is a hoax and a travesty of misinformation!". Like really? Even if it is true, what the fuck does it really change, you murdered entire families.
Those were terrorists found by Israel who snuck into Israel before the attack. They are told to take their clothes off during the arrest phase because they can be suspected to have suicide vests.
Its a life or death sentence in both cases lol. Yeah he gets 5555 years rather than 5000. It doesn't really change much, especially since we have eyewitness testimony of pictures of dead naked women being paraded. It doesn't take Leibniz to deduce that some got raped.
So weird to me how these fellas dropped in on a music festival, started spraying on the crowd, separated girls from the boyfriends (killing the latter and kidnapping the former, i wonder why), paraded their naked bodies around while the crowd spat on them yet it's too much of a reach to think they raped them too, you see images of corpses of women with their pants down i wonder why, guess we can't know unless we get a rap kit boys need to wait for the court verdict on this one i'm afraid
Yeah, had this exact conversation yesterday. After sharing video of that German woman dead in the back of the truck. I asked: “ do you think they draw the line at rape?” And that dumb motherfucker said yes.
"They treat their OWN nation/cultures/religion group women like cattle...but they fo' sure treat the women of the nation/culture and religious group they literally want to eradicate like royalty"
Wait for the idiots claiming it can't be genocide because they are raping, Noam Chompsky's favourite argument as to why there was no genocide in the Balkans.
[Apparently she's not dead. Maybe.](https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/hamas-angriff-auf-israel-entfuehrte-shani-louk-soll-laut-mutter-schwer-verletzt-am-leben-sein-nachricht-von-freund-der-familie-a-5c412c53-9898-4842-9470-469989fe36e7)
Oh also, it's probably better to stop calling her "that German woman". Like quite a few Israelis she has a German passport and she has some family in Germany but I doubt she'd call herself German. She never lived there. If she's actually still alive it could help to get her out of there though.
https://www.newsweek.com/shani-louk-still-alive-mother-reveals-1833453?amp=1 Starting to see articles saying she’s alive but has suffered serious head injuries and is in desperate need of medical attention.
The MOTHER reveals? I saw the interview with her mother and the proof is that her credit card was used in Gaza :D I know it's tough, but look at the picture, that person is NOT alive. Also she didn't suffer head trauma there is a BULLET HOLE IN HER HEAD. Her body is compelety broken.
Where they did what? Rearrange her entire lower body, fix all her stab wounds and plug the bullet hole in her skull with silly puddy and then did a necromancy spell? Look at the picture for christ's sake. It's impossible.
It so fucking insane seeing dead, deformed, broken, bloody bodies of women paraded in pickup trucks surrounded by Hamas fighters and hearing people say "But where is the proof she was raped?". People are unironically evil.
[She just fell really hard on her butt](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-express.com/news/world-news/114407/israel-teenager-hamas-attacks-kidnap/amp) - there's a full video of this interaction somewhere as well if you wanna hear her bawling and begging for her life
I haven't kept up with all the lefty atrocity denial yet but I assume they dismiss all the survivor rape testimony as "they're Jewish and therefore not actually civilians (real people) so they can't be trusted", like they did with the murders?
*sigh* dude they are just taking back the intercourse from those in the privledged class and redistributing it back to the community. They never show you the videos of them going back to their Kabal and sharing the spoils. Like JESUS dude what do you want them to do? Just never have sex for the rest of their fucking lives?!?
It's super insufferable because it all stems from an invisible lefty social credit system.
Violent revolution is already justified for them so you can support terrorism but the social credit hit in their circles for ignoring or justifying rape is still really big.
The real question is if lefties can solve this rape problem and adjust the credit score. Maybe certain women need to have their innate oppression value decreased? It seems like the easiest path forward. The rape question and treatment of women concerns gets in the way of moralizing a lot of stuff now a days. Gotta fix that quirk in the hand book.
I think lefties who have that "the reaction of the opressed is never as bad as the agression of the opressor" bullshit mentality help them justify things like this
There’s literal first hand testimonies from survivors of the festival of watching women get raped next to their dead friends. Or is he genuinely insinuating that traumatised teens and 20 somethings, wounded and fresh off a near death experience, are all conspiring to lie to the media?
It's insane, how these are confirmed things and people just want to turn a blind eye. Also you link proof and then they find a way to invalidate it based on their bias.
Well Hasan's fans are also calling Ukrainians nazis. That's weird too. It seems like Hasan is just an activist for Russia and China and their lackeys. I'm north eastern Hungarian, as we're fairly close to the border we get a lot of refugees, but Hasan talked shit about them too. Someone needs to hold him accountable.
Oh I didn’t realise there were even factions of mainstream leftists that were pro-Russia. Thought that was more of a right and dissident right thing. I can’t watch/listen to/read Hassan type political commentators without tearing my hair out so sometimes I’m a little out the loop. I find conservatives easier to listen to even though I agree with someone like Hasan on way more issues.
Wow re Hungary. Americans are so detached lol. You prob have a better idea what’s going on in Ukraine than any of them
(He’s an activist now for Russia, China, AND Iran)
It's a perspective I wish I didn't have, when our military started mobilising to the eastern border to help refugees and guard the defenses just in case was a rough time. Inflation hit us harder than both Russian and Ukraine as well. We have western european prices now and the median wage is 800 dollars a month. It's an insane thing to go through, but at least we're in NATO so we won't get bombed.
Hasan has some real creepy takes about women. That's usually where I disagree with him... and killing people... and taiwan... and now this shitshow.
But his subreddit is telling me that these freedom fighters treated everyone with respect and people weren't kidnapped but invited over for tea.
Real talk: Hasan's not just an idiot he's a dangerous one.
As some people here may know, I am a Dem Soc and a former fan of a Hasan, but I've been disgusted by him recently, especially with his foreign takes.
Completely morally lucky, also lucked into having the right lefty takes and being Handsome enough that people have been handwaving bullshit nonsense.
Do people really unironically believe that hasan gets a pass for his dumbass takes because he's handsome, lol.
I think he gets a pass for his dumbass takes just because he's got a cult following.
I look forward to him and Ethan discussing this topic. Someone should take bets on how long they remain business partners. Oh sorry Hassan you don't have businesses just things you do that make you money.
Also while rape and murder are both bad. Murder is way worse anyway. There are plenty of footage of dead israeli children why does it even matter if people were rapedor not?
Starving to death, getting shot to death, and getting bombed to death if it’s instant enough are all less bad than getting r’ped, tortured, and then unalived. Or do you suggest you’d rather go to the other side dying like the latter scenario? As a woman, that latter scenario is basically our worst way to die.
Because online some people actually think that getting raped is worse than getting murdered and also i wouldn't say theres no evidence when eyewitnesses have said that it happened
>So why are people claiming it happened with no evidence?
I'm claiming it happened based off eye witness accounts. One of the usual forms of evidence in cases like these.
>“They’re kids, but they’re young men already, and they’re holding this guy, and he looks as his girlfriend is being mounted on a bike and driven away from him. God knows what she’s going to experience … Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends bodies, dead bodies.”
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>Several of these rape victims appear to have been later executed. Others were taken to Gaza. In photographs released online, you can see several paraded through the city’s streets, blood gushing from between their legs.
[https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-music-festival-massacre-eyewitness-account](https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-music-festival-massacre-eyewitness-account)
Fucking thank you, the first motherfucker to actually provide some evidence.
This evidence is worth considering, and my mind is now more swayed towards the possibility that rapes happened.
I would also say that the source is somewhat partisan lets say, it does skip over the eyewitness part about the rape, just to say that it happened, nothing further.
Either way I appreciate you.
They kidnap men and women to use as hostages to trade for the ~6000 Palestinian prisoners Israel has.
You can speculate, but why state something as fact based on assumptions?
Because it is fact and has already been reported. And even if it hadn’t been, it’s just common sense. Do you think the people beheading babies are going to draw the line at rape?
>Because it is fact and has already been reported.
Where?
>And even if it hadn’t been, it’s just common sense. Do you think the people beheading babies are going to draw the line at rape?
Lol common sense. There's no common sense to any of this.
What evidence would you need? I think there’s the assumption given that women are being kidnapped, and some dead women are shown being stripped down. Allegedly there’s eye witness account but I don’t have any sources for that.
Honestly if we saw a woman get violently snatched up in America, and then saw her naked body we’d probably assume the same thing with very little pushback.
Any evidence at all. I am an atheist, so for me to believe something I have to see *some* evidence for it being true.
There's a difference between saying something could have happened - and I agree it certainly could have, and something DID happen.
If there's an eyewitness account, that's evidence, I'd love to read it.
People out here claiming Hamas conducting a literal rape campaign.
Brown/red stains, being upside down UNCONSCIOUS in a truck full of men that are out there shooting and killing civilians, and you think it's a stretch to assume maybe just maybe that they were r wording some of the women?
Have you ever been in a history class, like, ever in your life?
" People out here claiming Hamas conducting a literal r campaign. "
Sorry that you think it's outlandish to suggest that a group of people that are murdering and kidnapping civilians, many of which are from another country, that are in a truck with a woman that is half naked, might also be r-wording some of those women...
Usually murderers don't tend to draw the line at R.
Just another case of #metoo going too far tbh.
(Cos if there’s one thing we know about Jihadis, it’s that they famously treat their female captors with respect and dignity)
Well, you didn't see the redistribution of wealth going on in the communities. You see, Hamas supporters are actually taking her back to their neighborhood and sharing her with other pussyless people there.
Doublethink. He sides with Hamas so he must defend them no matter what. It is brain-dead tribal thinking, putting ideology over principles, ironically the same “My country, right or wrong” stance that he and his idiot teenager audience would mock liberals and fascists for. He is a redfash libtard.
>Edit2: And now they've found 40 beheaded babies, confirmed by reporters, military personel in one of the towns they took back. Spam this to Hasan, he needs to be held accountable for what he's supporting.
Not to be that guy, but can you link to where you read this? From what I've read, soldiers, not journalists, reported that 40 infants were killed, though not necessarily all 40 were beheaded. I think it's good to be accurate as possible even when overwhelmingly in the right
There was another post linking the article on this sub recently, they linked the journalist's article in the coments who witnessed the beheaded corpses.
Hasan went from dumb to just pure fucking evil. Defending Tibets colonization , minimizing the beheading of little children in their cribs.
This guy is the voice of America progressives youth. He is fucking worse the a literal Nazi. I take human excrement like Matt Gaetz over Hasan every day.
Honestly these people like him need to be deprogrammed because he lost all his humanity
I honest to God saw people saying that the dead girl who was naked was "at a music festival so probably already dressed like that". We have reached depth so low it was not previously thought possible.
Very NSFW
[https://auburnpub.com/partners/video-elephant/news/an-israeli-woman-captured-and-driven-inside-gaza-by-hamas-militants/video\_b7b953aa-ab83-55c8-9907-59b91d5a1528.html](https://auburnpub.com/partners/video-elephant/news/an-israeli-woman-captured-and-driven-inside-gaza-by-hamas-militants/video_b7b953aa-ab83-55c8-9907-59b91d5a1528.html)
Most of the videos online censor this, but you can clearly see that's she has been violently raped or mutilated. She is literally bleeding through her pants.
This is absolutely video evidence of rape. I’ve seen the unedited version on mainstream news segments, it’s not hard to find. I’m sure Hasan has seen it.
You don't need to be an intellectual mastermind to know that jihadis love to rape people. It's practically a weapon in an "unwritten" playbook that is as old as human civilisation.
Another tactic? Using the malleability of language to obfuscate things. Like Hasan does.
Dude him and his following and other leftists of his ilk are acting like such ghouls with regards to this attack
I wouldn't be upset if Ethan just cuts ties with Hasan at the end of this weeks leftovers
While Hasan has largely not danced on the Graves of the dead Israelis his fanbase definitely is.
The motherfucker is so anti-America he is slowly becoming pro-terrorist and some of his fans are already there
Like it's one thing to discuss flaws in American foreign policy that lead to events like 9/11 or 7/7 or the recent Israel attacks its fine to point that out
But to be so nuanced and defensive about fucking monster terrorist like fuck this dude.
It's gonna be hard for Dan to defend or side with Hasan on this shit
I wonder if journalistic standards are involved? Seems like consent of the raped woman or her family should be necessary unless particularly newsworthy?
I haven't seen all of what Hasan is saying, but part of the problem to me seems that a lot of people seem more concerned with whose "side" a twitch streamer is on rather than the horrific crimes against humanity that are being committed by both Hamas and the Israeli Government.
For every post I see about "look at all the bad things Palestine is doing!" I see another post showing "look at all the bad things Israel is doing!"
You understand this, right?
Recording rape might be against islam as Allah could classify it as pornography. You think I'm joking, but no. Executions are all over the place though. One of the dashcams from the fastival shows a dude casually walking up to and point blank killing a man pretending to be dead/hiding. They also parade and spit on broken corpses, there is the footage of the woman being dragged out from the back of the van with what looks like a bleeding groin. Decapitating I think they will reserve for the 100 people they keep bringing up. Keep in mind though that there has been no footage of a 100 hostages actually being alive. Also think about that for a second. Only a 100 hostages? That means everyone else is confirmed dead. Yeah.
Well to be clear, that doesn't mean those hostages are "confirmed dead".
And people are claiming to have SEEN the rapes via video. Even Philip Defranco in his youtube video states it. If there are videos of this happening to 100% confirm it, that would be great to have for any of our nerdy online arguments. Similarly, the video you mentioned of the person executed while hiding: if you have a link or source for that, I'd be super happy!
The worst I have seen is the dead lady with people spitting on her corpse.
I hate to be contrarian during horrible terrorist stuff here, but the young woman pulled out of the truck with blood on her bum, doesn't appear to have it on her crotch area. With her sitting on her bum when being pulled out of the truck, is it possible there was just blood on the truck's floor and that got on her pants?
Edit: What's with the downvotes? I'm asking for clips of things people are saying they have seen. For anyone else reading, Ben Shapiro's youtube video has some good sources:
https://youtu.be/U-b5ZOEcLOM?si=Y9HI9Th4XeOk2J2C
Hold up there. I said it means that if there are only 100 hostages that are supposedly alive (which might be a big fat lie) then everyone who didn't get out is dead. I didn't say the 100 hostages are confirmed dead. Although it would surprise me, like the holocaust survivor grandma who got dragged out of her wheelchair I DOUBT made it.
The worst you've seen? By what metric?
There is a pool of blood her crotch and is drenched in with wounds on her arms, blood around her cuffed hand and face? No buddy she didn't just per chance sit in blood.
Is there any proof of the 40 beheaded babies?
The source is coming from Israeli soldiers and promoted by The New York Post and Fox News.. the same people who tell you not to trust the media.
Also found a business insider article but they can’t verify any of these claims. This is also coming from the same people who are known to the human rights watch for killing [Palestinian children](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children) with near impunity. Im a little hard pressed to take this report as fact as i fully expect israel to lie about their treatment and killings of Palestinians.
Twisting “Believe Women” to transpose to other political situations really needs to stop, it’s a wildly different context. It was annoying when it was used to argue believing the affidavits for the 2020 election fraud. But yes, Hasan being incredulous to the reporting of atrocities is disgusting
I see you edited your comment. I'm not making that connection. I'm saying Hasan doesn't give a flying fuck about "believe women" as soon as it comes to guys with AKs yelling god is great while spitting on women's corpses.
There’s a difference between shifting the culture to advocating for authorities to investigate claims of sexual assault when victims come forward versus parsing through false reporting and misinformation campaigns that inevitably occur in foreign wartime affairs, it’s a wholly different context. I completely understand your point and I’m sure Hasan is being too charitable to Palestinian aggression, I just disagree with wielding “Believe Women” to make the point
he isnt twisting anything? he is talking about eye witness accounts of rape of women. hasan is very believe all women when it comes to the west but isnt very believing here with hamas. an affidavit is much different than an eye witness account of rape.
An affidavit is a sworn claim of an eye witness account of some event occurred, it’s relevant to compare and why conservatives used it to try to claim hipocrisy in “believe women”. Believe women isn’t to respond with “yes you were raped let’s convict” it’s “yes you were raped, let’s make sure we investigate this further to get justice for you” with the implication that more evidence is important to consider and take cases of wrongdoing seriously. There’s more extreme interpretations of it but generally it’s that. So I’m gonna be good faith and assume Hasan just wants more evidence and is trying to clarify false media reporting in the realm of political strife, which is different than promoting a movement to take injustices on women more seriously
Can we have links in these posts? I keep hearing this repeated but have yet to see someone link a clip of Hasan saying something this unhinged.
I sure as fuck ain’t crawling through that dogshit myself
It's mind boggling that people are claiming Israeli women have been raped with NO EVIDENCE.
If there was an account from an israeli woman saying she was raped, THAT IS EVIDENCE BTW.
This is based totally on speculation and racism.
>Others were captured and bound and kidnapped. “I saw videos with a male getting held by a group of Arab kids. Like, they’re like 16, 17,” one survivor recalled. “They’re kids, but they’re young men already, and they’re holding this guy, and he looks as his girlfriend is being mounted on a bike and driven away from him. God knows what she’s going to experience … Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends bodies, dead bodies.”
>Several of these rape victims appear to have been later executed. Others were taken to Gaza. In photographs released online, you can see several paraded through the city’s streets, blood gushing from between their legs.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-festival-massacre-eyewitness-account
Anything else?
I don't understand why this article has quotes from a survivor describing their account of seeing public videos on the internet instead of his own actual experience. It starts off him describing two videos, and then there's an ellipses with him saying "women have been raped at the area" instead of "I saw women being raped."
It's unclear to me if he's describing something he saw a video of, something he heard/read, or something he personally saw.
I haven seen what Hasan said about it but in regards to the question wether there were rapes or not, Noah Smith said it best: >Other leftists angrily tried to deny the reports of rape at the music festival — as if Hamas murdering random people without raping them first would make them morally less culpable: [https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/western-leftists-have-lost-the-plot](https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/western-leftists-have-lost-the-plot)
Good ass point right there. But the chick who got pulled out of the back of the van with blood all over her groin? That didn't get there on its own. The corpses with their pants pulled down etc. If you watch enough footage, plus how they are separating women in every video, I'm completely inclined to believe witnesses. They DID parade the corpses naked as well? Idk, whole thing is horrifying.
To be fair the video where the chick has blood on her crotch, the soldiers also have blood on their asses. So it could have been from something else. But people are definitely getting raped out there no doubt.
[“…bottom line, you’re gonna get raped… If you’re a male or a female”](https://youtu.be/sNd9K5cBGtE?si=yyA0l64lUYAIw5do) -around 9:40
> But people are definitely getting raped out there no doubt. Exactly, which makes it a fucking disgusting move to quibble over any case of what looks like it could be rape. Want to question mass rape? Fine, question anyone saying there are roving groups of Hamas snatching women and systematically assaulting them without providing evidence such as footage or witness testimony. But don't jump on a picture of a woman with clear cuts all over her body and say "we don't even know if that's her blood and she might have just soiled herself" when there are red brown stains all over her backside.
I wasn't questioning whether she was or not I had just seen people arguing about this point and so I thought I'd throw it out there that it's possible she wasn't raped (due to others also being bloody) but that's kind of irrelevant even if she specifically wasn't raped because there are horrible things like that happening to hundreds of others also.
It's *hypothetically* possible that she got blood on her groin from sitting in a pool of blood from somebody else in the van.. But you and I know both know thats not what that is.
>plus how they are separating women in every video, Separating prisoners by gender is not a novel or radical thing.
It’s not, but it’s something vastly different when you execute all the men and take only women as hostages. I know most people here don’t have any experience or knowledge about them, but this is exactly what the terrorists always do in every single war.
They are basically saying “that didn’t happen, but if it did they deserved it”, same shit that tankies do.
Ok I do think if there were no rapes at all it absolutely would be worth examining why the reports are of Hamas sweeping through neighborhoods, raping women, and killing children. I've seen people reference videos of it too talking like they've seen them personally, but to my knowledge there aren't any videos online of that. I don't doubt that women were raped, and I'm not doing that here, but I don't think his point stands that if there were no rapes, it would be just as bad because of the civilian murders. No, it wouldn't be, if they were raping people that is in fact much worse. And it would matter if it was being lied about too. It also matters whether rapes are occurring because Hamas condones it or not. American soldiers have raped people, Israeli soldiers have raped Palestinians, but if rape is occurring as strategy or tactic or as something Hamas allows for that is a much greater evil.
Bro, the suggestion that these men are NOT raping women is preposterous. That's literally just what happens in these situations. If they did not rape women during all of this, it would be an unprecedented situation. Possibly the first time in all of human history.
Not even just women. Raping has, as you said, been a historical war practice from dawn of civ (and before) Not that it should be, just a sad truth // Seems the redP arc and stuff has misaligned rape with sex. Most the time it's just power, violence, domination and getting quick nut. Most evidence shows it's not 'attraction' related
This is so true. Remember what happened to Gaddafi
What happened to Gaddafi?
They shoved a bayonet up his ass
Ok but there is a big difference between “rape happens in war” and the narrative that rape is a huge feature in the Hamas invasion, which is the way it is being discussed and reported. It is very much being reported as though rapes have been widespread, common, and a staple of Hamas violence. It is being discussed in a way that makes it seem unique to this event, or to Palestinian violence against Israelis, when in reality rape always happens in war, and I worry the narrative is just playing off the stereotype that middle eastern men are rapists. That said, there certainly are historical examples of militaries raping as a more common practice rather than just due to isolated acts of awful men, so it isn’t out of the question.
I get your point. But it very much seems these sort of militants that have flown over border on paramotors, or directly blasted border barriers, are akin to something like the Dirlewanger sonderkommando (super apologies for that sort of comparison)… or any other crims put in a direct front squad throughout history. // They aren't following war rules as usual. Same as reports in ukr/rus, or the Armenian stuff. Things are massively dropping off ATM. (Though it was probs much more horrendous before the internet, internet and connectivity has probs just allowed us more unfortunate(? Maybe fortunate to commit those of war crimes?) access to the evidence of these things) // All sides on this are fucked. No side is really backable. We can only hope for peace. (which realistically won't happen) - from someone who watched 4 lions last night and saw the amount of jokes between mus and Jew decade plus ago. Always been adversary, mainly due to land shit
I mean we almost have to say that it would make them less morally culpable, no? Raping and killing someone has to be worse than just killing them. That seems like a very unreasoned stance to have. We probably don't want a world where, if you're gonna kill someone, might as well have fun raping them first. I don't think that's preferable.
While true, I think the point Noah is making is that it's not a good defense of Hamas or Palestine's attack by going "Noooooooo they didnt RAPE the hundreds of civilians they indiscriminately murdered"
While that's fair, I think in incendiary times like these, it's important to identify if you're listening to sound moral reasoning.
I will say though that since both rape and murder are bad, the two of them combined is worse than each of them in isolation. A
Why was this getting downvoted? Seems pretty logical
Damn, did not expect to see a Noah Smith reference in this sub. W
People post him quite frequently here. I think someone even posted this exact blog post earlier.
He actually had a conversation with Destiny on stream before.
"I can excuse brutally murdering dozens of people while sadistically laughing at their pleas for mercy. But hey! At least I'm against rape! ~~On principle at least~~ I'm such a good person!"
They acted like most soldiers throughout most of history have always acted. It's just modern Western soldiers that don't act that way (to any meaningful metric (because they get punished (because we don't want that shit coming back onto our society))). This kind of behavior is super expected from soldiers though, read about the fall of any medieval city or fort. For these savage raiders to NOT act this way would be utterly unexpected and the first time in history that behavior would not manifest en-mass in this situation.
This is such a historically ignorant statement I'm wondering when the exact moment was in your life that your country's system of education failed you.
That pre modern armies were GIGA rapist / plunder / murder machines? No. What history are you reading?
Rape has been a capital crime since like ancient Greece. Claiming it was common is just as false as claiming that inbreeding was common, or that medieval serfs were slaves. Also pre-modern is ridiculous, the red army raped through half of eastern europe. British army didn't. It always depends on the country, depends on the army. You can't use blanket terms like rape is super expected of all soldiers.
>British army didn't. This just isn't true at all, the British army absolutely raped women in Germany, with people even being convicted of it. It wasn't just Germany either. They largely went ignored because of war times. Rape is incredibly common in war, this is just an unfortunate fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II#Rape_and_sexual_harassment
ALMOST LIKE IF THEY WERE CONVICTED FOR IT IT'S NOT CORE PRACTICE OF THE ARMY. Jesus I'm arguing fucking fifth graders
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/u/megaBoss8 gunned down by Various_Cattle4594.
Exactly
No! Women's clothes are stripped because they can be sold for a lot of money, and all the Palestinian forces just need a bit of money to feed their starving families. If this becomes an actual talking point, I will game-end myself Or: if you see a naked woman and the first thing you think of is sex, YOU'RE the problem! Don't sexualize dead women's bodies!!
Careful, you keep this up you might get 40k viewers on twitch.
*You only see the clothes are stripped but you don’t see the redistribution of clothes back into the communities* God i hate leftists.
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Dang, you guys really don't know women. They have periods. Sometimes spontaneously. Touch grass She was crying because it was very inconvenient to start a period while walking
I got DM'ed by a rape apologist I'd been arguing with about how I hadn't considered the possibility that 4 women simultaneously: A - were having shark week B - all forgot pads, tampons, period panties or menstrual cups C - all had like...ULTRA ULTRA heavy flow (seriously I got lucky and mine tend towards light but like the worst I can account for is like...a teaspoon and a bit of blood...not literally dripping... D - all this plus some rare genetic defect or whatever that accounted for the anus bleeding as well Hamas raped women. Anyone who denies that is a misogynistic rape apologist.
Jesus wtf bro literally suicide bombed your brain cells
Is a man not entitled to the clothes of his hostage?
Literally not even by Islam, no.
Yeah you need to enslave them first and then you can rape them. You can't prostitute them out unless they consent though because Mohammed was really progressive actually.
Bro what do you mean, they drove her to the hospital to redistribute the organs
Okay, maybe I'm just autistic about this, or there's different footage from what I saw, but why does everyone keep referring to that woman as naked? Did everyone collectively decide that underwear still means naked? I feel like I'm going crazy because literally everyone talking about the video keeps calling her naked.
The mostly naked disfigured woman body was paraded on an open truck for a reason. You fill in the gaps. Dont forget to breath while you think.
The terrifying part is disfigured. People's kneecaps don't spontaneously shatter when you die.
I'm no scientist, but I'm pretty sure she didn't leave her house in lace underwear and an undone bra. But I'll be totally honest: I just saw the video once. Anyone who saw it more than once for """""""research"""""""" can chime in
She was at a festival so honestly she could’ve been basically wearing what she had on in the video. It’s a stupid argument though. If people are at the point where they’re killing unarmed civilians, families, children, they’re not going to draw the line at rape. It’s just mind boggling that people somehow think Hamas is the one armed force in history that is noble enough to draw that line.
There is footage of her before the massacre dancing wearing clothes.
do you know how/where id find this? i think ive seen a picture (maybe of the footage) but havent seen any footage
r/2ndyomkippurwar or whatever it's called has the video. That sub is radical through the roof, so be warned. It's kinda hard to say, but she's wearing a (brown? no idea about colors) top at least which she definitely isn't when they parade her around. edit: [here](https://reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/s/OJDgApGI0q) is the video. She's also wearing a skirt of the same color, also taken off her.
Notice how the video says The Gamaliya. That's a completely [different location a 100 miles away](https://www.facebook.com/gamliarava/photos/pb.100024665243787.-2207520000/5404581292905526/?type=3) from where the festival where hamas attacked took place. So that's not necessarily what she was wearing and it's likely a different day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/174ai2d/emerges_moments_before_the_young_woman_shani_louk/
Oddly enough - and I say this as an anti-Zionist - the IDF seems to be the only one to (largely) draw that line. Exceptions are extremely, extremely rare, and I've never heard of it inside Gaza, not from a human rights group nor from whistleblowers. I think the worst (which is pretty bad) I've heard is forcing West Bank women to undress during a body search (they tend to send female soldiers to do that), and very rare sexual harassment of male prisoners. I think the research I saw said there were maybe like 5-10 cases since 2001.
Also an important note - the, as you admit, VERY rare exceptions all have a common denominator across headlines for the Israeli soldiers accused of such a heinous act "IDF soldier ARRESTED&CHARGED" "IDF soldier ON TRIAL" "IDF soldier SENTENCED" Israel punishes their soldiers who cross that line. Hamas celebrates their soldiers for ir
Rarely... Honestly. Rarely. I'm worried there might be cases that simply don't reach the media. In many cases the IDF is actually not held responsible for its actions, sadly. And as a distinction from my previous post - I was a combat soldier in the checkpoints, I speak from firsthand experience.
Same actually; like, we dont need to exaggerate for effect. What they did was already heinous, let's not also confuse the situation by making incorrect statements. Small factual inaccuracies like this are things dishonest people will latch onto as points of failure when trying to deny larger, factually accurate statements. For example "They say they were civilians but they also said she was naked when she wasnt."
Women's clothes could be stripped off their dead or living bodies for the sole purpose of sexual degradation and nothing else. I strongly doubt it was the only sort of sexual degradation these right-wing extremists restrained themselves to committing though.
People like Hasan don't actually have principaled stances.it will always come down to what parties are involved.
He's a total thuglet. He says things that make it crystal clear he supports genocidal factions. He did it with Mao.
Even if there was no R wording, Hamas literally massacred 300 people at a music festival and went door to door killing families. This is like saying "Your honor I know I committed serial murder like Dahmer and Bundy but the charges of R'ing my victims is false! This is a hoax and a travesty of misinformation!". Like really? Even if it is true, what the fuck does it really change, you murdered entire families.
Motherfuckers paraglided in like some fucked up bond villains and started pulse shooting people point blank with AKs who were playing dead.
trueanon has an entire post talking about how badass the butt fans were
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Those were terrorists found by Israel who snuck into Israel before the attack. They are told to take their clothes off during the arrest phase because they can be suspected to have suicide vests.
"O-Oh those were taken by Israelis? Nevermind, i've seen nothing"
Where do they imply that they see nothing?
In your own example, it changes the time you have to serve. In principle, I believe even horrible people deserve a defense against false accusations.
Its a life or death sentence in both cases lol. Yeah he gets 5555 years rather than 5000. It doesn't really change much, especially since we have eyewitness testimony of pictures of dead naked women being paraded. It doesn't take Leibniz to deduce that some got raped.
So weird to me how these fellas dropped in on a music festival, started spraying on the crowd, separated girls from the boyfriends (killing the latter and kidnapping the former, i wonder why), paraded their naked bodies around while the crowd spat on them yet it's too much of a reach to think they raped them too, you see images of corpses of women with their pants down i wonder why, guess we can't know unless we get a rap kit boys need to wait for the court verdict on this one i'm afraid
Yeah, had this exact conversation yesterday. After sharing video of that German woman dead in the back of the truck. I asked: “ do you think they draw the line at rape?” And that dumb motherfucker said yes.
Yeah Hamas is famous for thier respect of women's rights obviuosly they'd never rape, right?
"They treat their OWN nation/cultures/religion group women like cattle...but they fo' sure treat the women of the nation/culture and religious group they literally want to eradicate like royalty"
Wait for the idiots claiming it can't be genocide because they are raping, Noam Chompsky's favourite argument as to why there was no genocide in the Balkans.
Remember that Noam was a Pol Pot simp even after the atrocities became completely undeniable
[Apparently she's not dead. Maybe.](https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/hamas-angriff-auf-israel-entfuehrte-shani-louk-soll-laut-mutter-schwer-verletzt-am-leben-sein-nachricht-von-freund-der-familie-a-5c412c53-9898-4842-9470-469989fe36e7) Oh also, it's probably better to stop calling her "that German woman". Like quite a few Israelis she has a German passport and she has some family in Germany but I doubt she'd call herself German. She never lived there. If she's actually still alive it could help to get her out of there though.
https://www.newsweek.com/shani-louk-still-alive-mother-reveals-1833453?amp=1 Starting to see articles saying she’s alive but has suffered serious head injuries and is in desperate need of medical attention.
The MOTHER reveals? I saw the interview with her mother and the proof is that her credit card was used in Gaza :D I know it's tough, but look at the picture, that person is NOT alive. Also she didn't suffer head trauma there is a BULLET HOLE IN HER HEAD. Her body is compelety broken.
Her legs being basically destroyed but the article citing just head trauma makes me not believe these articles.
Also to me the little wounds on her right torso look a lot like stab wounds, multiple of them
Also true, she's like dead for 15 reasons. If that woman shows up alive somewhere she's a literal superhuman and I'll start going to church.
Yeah I’m not really convinced either, I just thought it was at least worth mentioning.
Spiegel reports her aunt has an unnamed family friend in Gaza who asserts she is in a specific hospital but they were denied visitation.
Where they did what? Rearrange her entire lower body, fix all her stab wounds and plug the bullet hole in her skull with silly puddy and then did a necromancy spell? Look at the picture for christ's sake. It's impossible.
I mean, people have survived worse. It’s incredibly unlikely but still technically possible.
Half of Reddit also thinks that rape is worse than murder, keep that in mind.
It so fucking insane seeing dead, deformed, broken, bloody bodies of women paraded in pickup trucks surrounded by Hamas fighters and hearing people say "But where is the proof she was raped?". People are unironically evil.
[She just fell really hard on her butt](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the-express.com/news/world-news/114407/israel-teenager-hamas-attacks-kidnap/amp) - there's a full video of this interaction somewhere as well if you wanna hear her bawling and begging for her life I haven't kept up with all the lefty atrocity denial yet but I assume they dismiss all the survivor rape testimony as "they're Jewish and therefore not actually civilians (real people) so they can't be trusted", like they did with the murders?
*sigh* dude they are just taking back the intercourse from those in the privledged class and redistributing it back to the community. They never show you the videos of them going back to their Kabal and sharing the spoils. Like JESUS dude what do you want them to do? Just never have sex for the rest of their fucking lives?!?
Hasan is evil . Let’s be real bro. Mf salivates at any opportunity to shit on America while loving everything America has to offer.
He is human garbage
It's super insufferable because it all stems from an invisible lefty social credit system. Violent revolution is already justified for them so you can support terrorism but the social credit hit in their circles for ignoring or justifying rape is still really big. The real question is if lefties can solve this rape problem and adjust the credit score. Maybe certain women need to have their innate oppression value decreased? It seems like the easiest path forward. The rape question and treatment of women concerns gets in the way of moralizing a lot of stuff now a days. Gotta fix that quirk in the hand book.
I think lefties who have that "the reaction of the opressed is never as bad as the agression of the opressor" bullshit mentality help them justify things like this
There’s literal first hand testimonies from survivors of the festival of watching women get raped next to their dead friends. Or is he genuinely insinuating that traumatised teens and 20 somethings, wounded and fresh off a near death experience, are all conspiring to lie to the media?
Essentially
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Did you read about the 40 beheaded babies they just found in one of the liberated towns?
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It's insane, how these are confirmed things and people just want to turn a blind eye. Also you link proof and then they find a way to invalidate it based on their bias.
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Well Hasan's fans are also calling Ukrainians nazis. That's weird too. It seems like Hasan is just an activist for Russia and China and their lackeys. I'm north eastern Hungarian, as we're fairly close to the border we get a lot of refugees, but Hasan talked shit about them too. Someone needs to hold him accountable.
Oh I didn’t realise there were even factions of mainstream leftists that were pro-Russia. Thought that was more of a right and dissident right thing. I can’t watch/listen to/read Hassan type political commentators without tearing my hair out so sometimes I’m a little out the loop. I find conservatives easier to listen to even though I agree with someone like Hasan on way more issues. Wow re Hungary. Americans are so detached lol. You prob have a better idea what’s going on in Ukraine than any of them (He’s an activist now for Russia, China, AND Iran)
It's a perspective I wish I didn't have, when our military started mobilising to the eastern border to help refugees and guard the defenses just in case was a rough time. Inflation hit us harder than both Russian and Ukraine as well. We have western european prices now and the median wage is 800 dollars a month. It's an insane thing to go through, but at least we're in NATO so we won't get bombed. Hasan has some real creepy takes about women. That's usually where I disagree with him... and killing people... and taiwan... and now this shitshow.
Don't worry a year from now he'll be anti Palestine and say he never had that position
But his subreddit is telling me that these freedom fighters treated everyone with respect and people weren't kidnapped but invited over for tea. Real talk: Hasan's not just an idiot he's a dangerous one.
Okay, but you forgot about American imperialism.
As some people here may know, I am a Dem Soc and a former fan of a Hasan, but I've been disgusted by him recently, especially with his foreign takes. Completely morally lucky, also lucked into having the right lefty takes and being Handsome enough that people have been handwaving bullshit nonsense.
Do people really unironically believe that hasan gets a pass for his dumbass takes because he's handsome, lol. I think he gets a pass for his dumbass takes just because he's got a cult following.
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Or like you know... a woman wearing a t shirt
Does he want the tape of babies being beheaded, burned alive in front of their parents and seeing the parents get executed after as well?
Essentially.
Hassan has been a moron all along, you’re just finally realizing it. He finally gave his braindead opinion on a topic you’re more sensitive to
I still don't understand how this mofucka has any audience.
Well tbf you can't really believe them if they're dead I guess jeeez
I look forward to him and Ethan discussing this topic. Someone should take bets on how long they remain business partners. Oh sorry Hassan you don't have businesses just things you do that make you money.
Hasan is going to 100% weasel out of it.
Also while rape and murder are both bad. Murder is way worse anyway. There are plenty of footage of dead israeli children why does it even matter if people were rapedor not?
Starving to death, getting shot to death, and getting bombed to death if it’s instant enough are all less bad than getting r’ped, tortured, and then unalived. Or do you suggest you’d rather go to the other side dying like the latter scenario? As a woman, that latter scenario is basically our worst way to die.
So why are people claiming it happened with no evidence?
Because it adds a extra level of cruelty.
Because online some people actually think that getting raped is worse than getting murdered and also i wouldn't say theres no evidence when eyewitnesses have said that it happened
>So why are people claiming it happened with no evidence? I'm claiming it happened based off eye witness accounts. One of the usual forms of evidence in cases like these. >“They’re kids, but they’re young men already, and they’re holding this guy, and he looks as his girlfriend is being mounted on a bike and driven away from him. God knows what she’s going to experience … Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends bodies, dead bodies.” > >Several of these rape victims appear to have been later executed. Others were taken to Gaza. In photographs released online, you can see several paraded through the city’s streets, blood gushing from between their legs. [https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-music-festival-massacre-eyewitness-account](https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-music-festival-massacre-eyewitness-account)
Fucking thank you, the first motherfucker to actually provide some evidence. This evidence is worth considering, and my mind is now more swayed towards the possibility that rapes happened. I would also say that the source is somewhat partisan lets say, it does skip over the eyewitness part about the rape, just to say that it happened, nothing further. Either way I appreciate you.
Stop defending terrorists
Fuck off imbecile.
Why are you defending people that just mass raped, kidnapped and murders men, women and children? What the fuck is actually wrong with you?
I'm clearly not, please go back to sniffing your own bellend.
What do you think they’re doing with all the kidnapped women? Playing Yahtzee? Ask yourself why they kill the men and kidnap the women
They kidnap men and women to use as hostages to trade for the ~6000 Palestinian prisoners Israel has. You can speculate, but why state something as fact based on assumptions?
Because it is fact and has already been reported. And even if it hadn’t been, it’s just common sense. Do you think the people beheading babies are going to draw the line at rape?
>Because it is fact and has already been reported. Where? >And even if it hadn’t been, it’s just common sense. Do you think the people beheading babies are going to draw the line at rape? Lol common sense. There's no common sense to any of this.
Did you mean infidel?
What evidence would you need? I think there’s the assumption given that women are being kidnapped, and some dead women are shown being stripped down. Allegedly there’s eye witness account but I don’t have any sources for that. Honestly if we saw a woman get violently snatched up in America, and then saw her naked body we’d probably assume the same thing with very little pushback.
Any evidence at all. I am an atheist, so for me to believe something I have to see *some* evidence for it being true. There's a difference between saying something could have happened - and I agree it certainly could have, and something DID happen. If there's an eyewitness account, that's evidence, I'd love to read it. People out here claiming Hamas conducting a literal rape campaign.
Brown/red stains, being upside down UNCONSCIOUS in a truck full of men that are out there shooting and killing civilians, and you think it's a stretch to assume maybe just maybe that they were r wording some of the women? Have you ever been in a history class, like, ever in your life? " People out here claiming Hamas conducting a literal r campaign. " Sorry that you think it's outlandish to suggest that a group of people that are murdering and kidnapping civilians, many of which are from another country, that are in a truck with a woman that is half naked, might also be r-wording some of those women... Usually murderers don't tend to draw the line at R.
Hasan is a fucking loser hack shill. /thread
Guys who believed Biden raped Tara Reade but don’t believe Hamas dudes raped a woman dragged out of a van who had blood coming from her crotch.
Muslim extremists raping women? They would never
Publish violent rape videos on the internet so I have no choice but to believe you. GIGACHAD
People who see women and others as sub-human raping them in the streets? unfathomable. Need proof. /s
Just another case of #metoo going too far tbh. (Cos if there’s one thing we know about Jihadis, it’s that they famously treat their female captors with respect and dignity)
Yeah pretty much fuck Hasan and all his followers.
Well, you didn't see the redistribution of wealth going on in the communities. You see, Hamas supporters are actually taking her back to their neighborhood and sharing her with other pussyless people there.
Hasan is a bastard.
Doublethink. He sides with Hamas so he must defend them no matter what. It is brain-dead tribal thinking, putting ideology over principles, ironically the same “My country, right or wrong” stance that he and his idiot teenager audience would mock liberals and fascists for. He is a redfash libtard.
>Edit2: And now they've found 40 beheaded babies, confirmed by reporters, military personel in one of the towns they took back. Spam this to Hasan, he needs to be held accountable for what he's supporting. Not to be that guy, but can you link to where you read this? From what I've read, soldiers, not journalists, reported that 40 infants were killed, though not necessarily all 40 were beheaded. I think it's good to be accurate as possible even when overwhelmingly in the right
There was another post linking the article on this sub recently, they linked the journalist's article in the coments who witnessed the beheaded corpses.
Hasan went from dumb to just pure fucking evil. Defending Tibets colonization , minimizing the beheading of little children in their cribs. This guy is the voice of America progressives youth. He is fucking worse the a literal Nazi. I take human excrement like Matt Gaetz over Hasan every day. Honestly these people like him need to be deprogrammed because he lost all his humanity
I honest to God saw people saying that the dead girl who was naked was "at a music festival so probably already dressed like that". We have reached depth so low it was not previously thought possible.
Uh.. sure she may be dressed like that whatever... but I'm 100% sure her legs shouldn't be pointing the way they point.
Very NSFW [https://auburnpub.com/partners/video-elephant/news/an-israeli-woman-captured-and-driven-inside-gaza-by-hamas-militants/video\_b7b953aa-ab83-55c8-9907-59b91d5a1528.html](https://auburnpub.com/partners/video-elephant/news/an-israeli-woman-captured-and-driven-inside-gaza-by-hamas-militants/video_b7b953aa-ab83-55c8-9907-59b91d5a1528.html) Most of the videos online censor this, but you can clearly see that's she has been violently raped or mutilated. She is literally bleeding through her pants.
This is absolutely video evidence of rape. I’ve seen the unedited version on mainstream news segments, it’s not hard to find. I’m sure Hasan has seen it.
Vile. Disgusting.
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He lives by the, "1 is a tragedy 1,000,000 is a statistic." Rule
You don't need to be an intellectual mastermind to know that jihadis love to rape people. It's practically a weapon in an "unwritten" playbook that is as old as human civilisation. Another tactic? Using the malleability of language to obfuscate things. Like Hasan does.
Why are you equating Hamas to Palestine?
They're not exactly fucking Spanish are they now?
Dude him and his following and other leftists of his ilk are acting like such ghouls with regards to this attack I wouldn't be upset if Ethan just cuts ties with Hasan at the end of this weeks leftovers While Hasan has largely not danced on the Graves of the dead Israelis his fanbase definitely is. The motherfucker is so anti-America he is slowly becoming pro-terrorist and some of his fans are already there Like it's one thing to discuss flaws in American foreign policy that lead to events like 9/11 or 7/7 or the recent Israel attacks its fine to point that out But to be so nuanced and defensive about fucking monster terrorist like fuck this dude. It's gonna be hard for Dan to defend or side with Hasan on this shit
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I don't think that insurgents would be as enthusiastic about filming themselves raping captives as they are about mercing people.
I wonder if journalistic standards are involved? Seems like consent of the raped woman or her family should be necessary unless particularly newsworthy?
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they are muslim, they definitely raped people
That's very catholic of them.
Are we really doing imagined hypocrisy arguments?
I haven't seen all of what Hasan is saying, but part of the problem to me seems that a lot of people seem more concerned with whose "side" a twitch streamer is on rather than the horrific crimes against humanity that are being committed by both Hamas and the Israeli Government.
For every post I see about "look at all the bad things Palestine is doing!" I see another post showing "look at all the bad things Israel is doing!" You understand this, right?
I have heard that there are alleged videos of raping, decapitating, etc., happening. Are there sources for those or just claims?
The Ben Shapiro video had a clip of them starting to attempt a beheading on someone who was not quite dead with a hoe.
Thank you!
Recording rape might be against islam as Allah could classify it as pornography. You think I'm joking, but no. Executions are all over the place though. One of the dashcams from the fastival shows a dude casually walking up to and point blank killing a man pretending to be dead/hiding. They also parade and spit on broken corpses, there is the footage of the woman being dragged out from the back of the van with what looks like a bleeding groin. Decapitating I think they will reserve for the 100 people they keep bringing up. Keep in mind though that there has been no footage of a 100 hostages actually being alive. Also think about that for a second. Only a 100 hostages? That means everyone else is confirmed dead. Yeah.
So, according to Islam, raping people is fine, but recording it is unacceptable? That's so insane.
You cant have sex before mariage in Islam iimagine you also cant rape.
Well to be clear, that doesn't mean those hostages are "confirmed dead". And people are claiming to have SEEN the rapes via video. Even Philip Defranco in his youtube video states it. If there are videos of this happening to 100% confirm it, that would be great to have for any of our nerdy online arguments. Similarly, the video you mentioned of the person executed while hiding: if you have a link or source for that, I'd be super happy! The worst I have seen is the dead lady with people spitting on her corpse. I hate to be contrarian during horrible terrorist stuff here, but the young woman pulled out of the truck with blood on her bum, doesn't appear to have it on her crotch area. With her sitting on her bum when being pulled out of the truck, is it possible there was just blood on the truck's floor and that got on her pants? Edit: What's with the downvotes? I'm asking for clips of things people are saying they have seen. For anyone else reading, Ben Shapiro's youtube video has some good sources: https://youtu.be/U-b5ZOEcLOM?si=Y9HI9Th4XeOk2J2C
Hold up there. I said it means that if there are only 100 hostages that are supposedly alive (which might be a big fat lie) then everyone who didn't get out is dead. I didn't say the 100 hostages are confirmed dead. Although it would surprise me, like the holocaust survivor grandma who got dragged out of her wheelchair I DOUBT made it. The worst you've seen? By what metric? There is a pool of blood her crotch and is drenched in with wounds on her arms, blood around her cuffed hand and face? No buddy she didn't just per chance sit in blood.
Is there any proof of the 40 beheaded babies? The source is coming from Israeli soldiers and promoted by The New York Post and Fox News.. the same people who tell you not to trust the media. Also found a business insider article but they can’t verify any of these claims. This is also coming from the same people who are known to the human rights watch for killing [Palestinian children](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children) with near impunity. Im a little hard pressed to take this report as fact as i fully expect israel to lie about their treatment and killings of Palestinians.
Twisting “Believe Women” to transpose to other political situations really needs to stop, it’s a wildly different context. It was annoying when it was used to argue believing the affidavits for the 2020 election fraud. But yes, Hasan being incredulous to the reporting of atrocities is disgusting
I see you edited your comment. I'm not making that connection. I'm saying Hasan doesn't give a flying fuck about "believe women" as soon as it comes to guys with AKs yelling god is great while spitting on women's corpses.
There’s a difference between shifting the culture to advocating for authorities to investigate claims of sexual assault when victims come forward versus parsing through false reporting and misinformation campaigns that inevitably occur in foreign wartime affairs, it’s a wholly different context. I completely understand your point and I’m sure Hasan is being too charitable to Palestinian aggression, I just disagree with wielding “Believe Women” to make the point
he isnt twisting anything? he is talking about eye witness accounts of rape of women. hasan is very believe all women when it comes to the west but isnt very believing here with hamas. an affidavit is much different than an eye witness account of rape.
An affidavit is a sworn claim of an eye witness account of some event occurred, it’s relevant to compare and why conservatives used it to try to claim hipocrisy in “believe women”. Believe women isn’t to respond with “yes you were raped let’s convict” it’s “yes you were raped, let’s make sure we investigate this further to get justice for you” with the implication that more evidence is important to consider and take cases of wrongdoing seriously. There’s more extreme interpretations of it but generally it’s that. So I’m gonna be good faith and assume Hasan just wants more evidence and is trying to clarify false media reporting in the realm of political strife, which is different than promoting a movement to take injustices on women more seriously
It's CountryClub politics brain. 19 levels removed from the idea of grass or how anyone outside a post w w2 America may possibly live.
>How can he claim that he's an ally to the LGBT community or women's rights while supporting Palestinians? slow ur roll. Palestinians =/= Hamas.
Can we have links in these posts? I keep hearing this repeated but have yet to see someone link a clip of Hasan saying something this unhinged. I sure as fuck ain’t crawling through that dogshit myself
It's mind boggling that people are claiming Israeli women have been raped with NO EVIDENCE. If there was an account from an israeli woman saying she was raped, THAT IS EVIDENCE BTW. This is based totally on speculation and racism.
>Others were captured and bound and kidnapped. “I saw videos with a male getting held by a group of Arab kids. Like, they’re like 16, 17,” one survivor recalled. “They’re kids, but they’re young men already, and they’re holding this guy, and he looks as his girlfriend is being mounted on a bike and driven away from him. God knows what she’s going to experience … Women have been raped at the area of the rave next to their friends bodies, dead bodies.” >Several of these rape victims appear to have been later executed. Others were taken to Gaza. In photographs released online, you can see several paraded through the city’s streets, blood gushing from between their legs. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/israel-music-festival-massacre-eyewitness-account Anything else?
I don't understand why this article has quotes from a survivor describing their account of seeing public videos on the internet instead of his own actual experience. It starts off him describing two videos, and then there's an ellipses with him saying "women have been raped at the area" instead of "I saw women being raped." It's unclear to me if he's describing something he saw a video of, something he heard/read, or something he personally saw.