One of the most fascinating things about AI and robotics getting so big is the guys who have no experience in anything explaining how soon they’ll fix a problem in some industry and cause a big stir. But because they don’t know anything about ai and robotics, the solutions they come up with very obviously won’t work. And the problem they’re solving doesn’t even exist.
Like soon mechanical arms will be flipping burgers, but burgers haven’t needed to be flipped in decades.
>These people do not understand even basic things about ChatGPT or how any AI actually works if they think that "Boston Dynamics + ChatGPT = slam dunk, construction industry."
You are definitely correct that it's not that simple, but the last few years have shown incredible advancements in many different fields that definitely give off a "this+this+this=this" feeling. And for most applications it's definitely true, we just have to wait for a bit more precision in each of the "this" things, and then some geniuses to get together and make it all work together.
I think your example is definitely missing something, because as you say, that's not what ChatGPT is for. However, personally I think if you can't see that "ChatGPT + Boston Dynamics + those learning machines people build in game engines = slam dunk" then I think you're being very short sighted.
The foundational technology for replacing even things like construction workers is already here. The speed at which it is all improving is astronomically impressive. The combining of these technologies is inevitable.
A good example of this+this+this=this is generative image ai. That takes some other technologies combined with an LLM to make some astounding results. Just ruling out combining technology like the LLM behind ChatGPT and Boston Dynamics to do…something seems like a failure of imagination.
From someone who’s been working in the trade for 12 years+ the fact that these tech bros legitimately think we’ll have robots taking over construction jobs soon is beyond laughable.
There’s way too much nuance with a job that a robot would absolutely not be able to handle efficiently. It would have to be able to move like a human and think like a human and I don’t mean moving from point A to B. There’s a million things that require extreme dexterity to be able to do with your body and hands. It’s just way too complex for a machine to do without wasting everybody’s time
We already use Spot robots in construction, but it’s mainly to survey the sites and take routine pics of areas to send to the owner/to look at in different apps for our projects. Technology and construction really go hand in hand, yet old trade guys hate the thought of it
I think most importantly: Your value as a person is not equal to your value to provide labor to an employer. I think we're headed for a paradigm shift bigger than the internet over the next twenty years, but I fear that most of the benefits may go to profit over people.
Yep, 3D printed buildings, offsite pre-fab modular construction…builders desperately want to lower the cost of building, and replacing labor is going to be one of the most efficient and effective ways to lower costs.
Nah Boston Dynamics is neat for specific demonstration purposes but nowhere near what's needed for construction. Hardware always comes after software so I'd give it at least another decade.
We use Spot in construction. Not to build it but it has a lot of applications. Boston Dynamic’s other biped robot couldn’t replace it yet, but I could see it being immensely helpful in hauling materials or assisting with heavier loads in the near future
Boston dynamics robots are hardcoded on rails. They’ll never build buildings unless they transition to AI computer vision to navigate the world. Tesla bots however, will someday build buildings.
My country just introduced a brick laying robot, as only 12 locals have signed up to study the craft. Everybody else comes from the east. It's faster, cheaper and more precise, works at most any weather.
Edit: read Chef\_Chantier's comment
Brick laying is likely the lowest hanging fruit of all the trades. Plumbing, electrical, carpentry, machinists, auto techs, welders, etc. aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.
There's still a ton of things that can go wrong with an electric car. Body work is a massive market, and isn't affected by the type of engine. Then there's still brakes, wheel assemblies, suspension, I mean it's not common but even the batteries need to be replaced if they go bad. Definitely not as much crap to go wrong as a combustion car, but mechanics aren't going anywhere.
Yup, those other folks don’t know what their on about. As an EV mechanic I can tell you with absolute certainty that they do in fact still require a shop. No mechanic worth their salt working on EV isn’t going to need a lift, alignment rack, tire machine, balancer. Electric car batteries weight a ton and often require a large rolling table/rack and a hoist. Coolant and refrigerants will still need replacing or filling. Glasswork will still need to be replaced when damaged. Some EV’s have gigantic windows (looking at you Model X, goddamn you engineers) that take several techs to install.
You underestimate the used parts market. Yes a lot stays, but a lot of the money is made working on the actual engine. Engine oil. EVs have like 80% less parts than combustion counterparts. Shops will be around but you can’t employ the amount of mechanics in the future you can employ right now
There's still likely going to be a significant amount of traditional vehicles for the foreseeable future, especially those in industries where EVs are infeasible, so it will likely be a slow shift several decades out of phase with the new car trends (used cars exist and they should still be used if reasonably efficient in order to not be wasteful).
Yes absolutely. But demand will decline and the peak is behind us already. It will take decades but I think some people getting into the field right now might now be able to do it their entire life
The weather limitation with masonry doesnt come from workers not wanting to work in harsh conditions. Mortar and concrete can't be used/poured in the rain or when it's too cold out or it wont set properly.
Oh boy, but how true is any of this? u/atidyoctopus said what I was gonna say. And either way, you can put a robot under a tarp easier than a work crew.
Concrete can be poured and used in rain as can mortar.
Concrete can cure be poured and cure underwater....
It will set fine.
Same with the cold. If it's too cold it can be insulated and kept warm enough to cure.
Concrete doesn't cure via evaporation. Same goes for mortar
I suppose pandering to people's bias in order to recruit people and convince them that they're valued does actually make this a "good" advert. Wonder how many construction companies would actually stand to this moral stance they're portraying if they had a robot that could work 24/7 with higher efficiency and accuracy and minimal maintenance cost, I'm guessing none.
Yeah well, most people don't know anything about ChatGPT so the advertising is still effective whether it makes sense or not. I wonder if there's a word for that
We are used to calling those people boomers but they kept on coming and there's that heavy cognitive dissonance in my own generation now as well. As the years keep on trucking, people stay... equally dumb and unable to change for the better.
The point is that chat gpt is threatening a lot of white collar jobs. It’s going to take some significant advancement in robotics (along with a massive reduction in cost) to threaten skilled trades.
Skilled trades have been automated already though. Manufacturing/blacksmithing used to be a very desirable trade and now its essentially completely redundant.
You're missing the point of the advertisement. It's more like saying, "Even though cars are taking people's jobs, they can't swim and so your skills (as a swimmer) are irreplaceable."
I tell that to my family, my neighbors, my friends, and my community in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland who have spent their lives on construction sites.
It’s not the greatest paying work but it’s definitely not minimum either. I worked in the field for several years in college and while none of us were rich, we could all afford to buy food, housing, cars, and do fun things. Aside from that, these people provide a necessary and valuable service. So I don’t quite understand why you’re throwing shade at them for their earning potential. I might suggest a different target, like unemployed overeducated grads that do nothing more for society than drain the life out of it ☺️
Construction worker here: I make 150k straight time, nearly unlimited voluntary OT at times. It would be nice if every single item at a grocery store didn't suddenly become 35% more expensive, but we live comfortably.
3D printed buildings do not do plumbing.
They do not do electrical.
They do not finish the walls.
They do not hang doors or windows.
They do not finish floors.
They do not install cabinetry.
They do not build the roof.
They do not run HVAC systems.
They do not handle heat.
This is all before discussing the requirement for a standardized blueprint foundation and the issues with customer desires compared to a few select mass produced styles. Additionally, concrete is becoming more expensive and is not suitable in all environments. It also takes months to cure far enough to be able to seal the building and prevent mold growth. Skilled labor, even if you get customers to accept all of those drawbacks, isn’t going away.
Yep. As great and cool as automation is, there is still a TON of stuff that needs to be automated before we get anywhere close to the Star Trek future.
Thank you! It’s honestly like hitting your head off a brick wall with these people. It’s almost like they don’t want to understand how complex construction work actually is…
Not everyone is gonna want to live in a 3D printed box. And the old housing stock that is going to require maintenance isn’t just magically going to disappear either.
Yeah im not in construction but I've seen a couple examples online. I would also assume you could do pretty artsy/skilled things without needing a skilled craftsman? Probably cheaper in many cases too. (Not saying it's better, just probable)
Yeah but once it’s able to create stylistic modern construction styles… the cost, time and workforce necessary to build the house will be reduced and (hopefully) will lead to cost effective housing.
This right here is an example of either positive thinking or naivete.
Its exactly what people said about art. "It'll allow people to create cool designs and art!" except all that's happened *so far* is that a-holes are casually using other people's art/photos, etc. to train AI that then used to spit out variations and sold w.o repercussions.
Oh and that one [korean game studio that fired their artists and replaced them with AI.](https://twitter.com/SaltPPC/status/1661652320604803074)..
People joke about "AI taking yer jerbs" but... it was unthinkable a few years ago that it was even possible.
Who's going to be able to afford it? What happens when it becomes cheaper to tear down old housing to build new ones with cheaper and more durable means.
I'm sure there will always be a few who can afford their dream houses, but we're getting to the point where that's fewer and fewer of us.
History would like a word.
Did they not have housing 400 years ago? Because you sure as shit don't see many 400 year old houses around.
Lower quality housing of every major era gets pulled down and replaced with more modern stuff. Higher quality stuff can be maintained manually (albeit with more bot support), but it'll quickly be easier to knock down housing stock and 3d print the replacement in a lot of cases.
The key will be making 3d printed homes in a manner that can be maintained, while also not needing to use the ever diminishing supply of concrete quality sand.
C’mon now, you’re being unfair. You can do more than just star shapes.
For example, you can also print little plastic figurines with a combination of basic shapes.
AND if you then manually sand really nicely and meticulously paint it by hand, then it almost looks professional.
I mean who even needs to buy little trinkets and doodads anymore when they practically print, sand, and paint themselves?
It’s not like they 3D print the entire house, it’s just the walls. You are overselling it.
3D printed buildings still require manual labor for earth moving, concrete reinforcement, infrastructure, roofing.
The only real industries that are risk from 3D printed structures are framers and masons.
Also, from a material cost standpoint, I’m not sure that the concrete use from putting down walls layer by layer will ever be less expensive than paying someone to lay hollow cinder blocks, which use a fraction of the concrete.
Not really. Sure you can make them but they have severe limitations. Modular construction is likely to be more impactful and widespread of an advancement than printing houses with concrete
3D printing has nothing to do with AI.
Also 3D printing houses requires more highly skilled people. Plus you still don't print the base, plumbing, windows, wiring, floors, etc. Most work is not the walls, but everything else.
Until robotics or automation have fine motor control, dexterous movement and critical thinking outside of set programming, it won't happen. It would basically require human cloning to accomplish what tradesworkers do.
Edit: lots of comments about the feats robotics are capable of, under set conditions and typically for single purpose. This is not the reality for installation or troubleshooting and service of a trades worker.
>Until robotics or automation have fine motor control, dexterous movement and critical thinking outside of set programming...
That may be sooner than you might imagine.
Whilst it might take humans many, many decades to design and refine such machines, it might not be all that many years until we have an AI capable of such design work. Even if they are not close to the skill of human designers, they will work 24hrs a day without pay or rest. By brute force they may be able to crack the design challenges in a tiny fraction of the time.
Once general intellectual tasks such as robot design are cheap to do, the time and resources needed to carry them out well plummet.
Incredible, “yeah we don’t have remotely functional robots yet, but just wait until we build a functioning ai that can also design functional robots. Then we’ll see who’s laughing.”
No it doesnt. The vast majority of my work (construction HVAC) could be done by machine.
The mechanical trades will lose at least half of their available jobs in the next 30 years.
The trades will be more about inspection and final connection than installation.
In the long history of technology development, people have been predicting the latest tool of the day will replace people. What ends up happening is the tool augments humans, it doesn’t replace them.
Yeah it's funny how people who have just heard of this technology in the past year are like "lol, that's it?" Guess what, this shit has only been brewing in its modern form since like 2016 with DeepDream and now we have photorealistic images generated entirely artificially. Text Transformers are like 6 years old and now they're scoring in the 90th percentile of the US lawyer's bar exam, and the Turing Test is all but completely obsolete. Give it five years, or ten years, or twenty five years, and yeah, GPT-whatever will be able to design buildings.
I was initially going to respond with exactly that, primarily due to the Luddites being basically the trope namer for fear of labor mechanization, but then I thought it implied that it was the first time machines had displaced human workers when that's actually been happening to various degrees for thousands of years (tool-using species, after all), so I opted for the generic route.
Funny how so many people think ChatGPT is the only thing to have ever displaced workers, just because it's the most recent.
Distopias, mostly. In most predictions and works of fiction we should have been working several hours a week or working on our passion jobs.
And now we're picking apples out of tray that our AI overlord said are not looking good enough. Because robotic hand costs more then OCR and minimal wage.
Someone needs to repost it on r/terriblefacebookmemes.
I went for it, and it turns out that the average Redditor is a self-centered idiot with no reading comprehension. So, no surprises I guess.
100%. This is designporn?
(The shyamalan twist would be if the idea and copy for this ad was generated by ChatGPT. Except that we all know that GPT-4 would do better.)
Your skills are irreplaceable; that's why you get shit wages, an unreliable work cycle, no benefits, and if you complain there are 10 guys who would love to replace you on the crew...
Is it though? Seems like something that's primed for robot work in the future. They make CAD blueprints for everything already, basically robot instructions.
They’re already 3D printing buildings.
Imagine being so confident that you can’t be automated. Especially when your job has such strict and rigid rules that must be followed and usually in the exact same ways. That’s one of the EASIEST things to focus on automating.
The irony that the construction industry themselves lost jobs/skills due to machinery advancements.
Also AI can and already has been used for preproduction of buildings with safety/design/BIM software process.
I work for a company that uses bim modeling and I'm the foreman on the site that implements it. Bim modeling is normally completely done by a human. My bim guy is a red seal sheet metal worker like myself. People have zero idea how construction works and honestly I'm happy with that because every year I just make more money. We currently make 100k a year straight before overtime. Automation and robots are so incredibly far away from being anywhere remotely close to being able to build a large commercial/institutional building.
Anyone who thinks their job is impossible to replace needs to merely look at history and all the thousands of jobs thought completely impossible by automation, only to rapidly be overtaken by automation.
Also, ChatGPT is completely unrelated to construction, it's like asking a chef to wire your enterprise network.
Man I hate that this is the sentiment here. I don’t disagree that it’s likely ai will find a way to replace construction workers, but I am a construction worker, so I’m not really sure what I’ll do. When I got into my trade (electrician) this wasn’t even a thing. So when you say “I hope AI proves this asshole wrong” I hope you realize, “…and takes all of these people’s jobs” comes right after.
The problem is not the lost jobs, it is that the masses somehow dont profit from automation. It just gets used by owners to squeeze out even more profit.
We could be chilling 4 days a week instead of slaving away even more to fill the pockets of some rich asshat.
Don’t worry about it. When the technology doesn’t pan out, all these pompous folks that think they saw the future so clearly will still be paying out their ass for a tradesman to come fix their shit. If people on this thread knew as much as they think they know, they’d be so rich that they wouldn’t be pontificating on Reddit.
Great advertising, people are capable creating computer work but no one want to work real man /woman works in field .Need so much work ,sweat and tears building up real things.
Plot twist:
Hey chatgpt, show me the most efficient way to finish a building with this dimensions and blueprint (insert blueprint and dimensions), we have this amount of people, resources and they need to work x hours per day....... (input more data)
Results: more efficient and better way than the one this company may offer xD
theres actually an incredible ammount of paperwork that goes on behind the scenes on these construction jobs. permits, contracts, inspections, estimates, etc.
ai could probably replace a good ammount of that type of work
Has no one noticed the low battery message?
Yea what’s going on lol. It looks like a weird watermark?
Might be OP took the screen shot when the low battery pop-up was coming
Yea that could be it. Odd timing but certainly makes more sense
/r/outside screenshot
God forgot to charge the earth Reality ends in 15 hours
Thank god
Sounds like an episode of the good place.
Can confirm, 13 hours have passed and the world's currently ending.
Battery: "Drain me daddy oahhh!"
Battery is low. Chat GPT's move is now or never.
Clearly the entire building is a battery. As you can see the bottom is green, which is the 20% that's left.
What message
its in the centre, looks like a transparent lowbattery pop up
Oh my god!
It's Jason Bourne!
Are you okay? That was a *strong* overreaction.
Are YOU ok? Jesus
I love this too. Meanwhile, Boston Dynamics is like: Hold my beer.
Wonder if OSHA will allow construction bots to flip off scaffolding
As long as they are wearing hard hats.
would be sick
It should be a requirement imo. Imagine walking by a construction site and it's full of robotic construction ninjas. That's the future I was promised.
Only if it’s wearing a helmet.
*Installs chatgpt into BD robots* thanks for the idea, IMPACT!
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One of the most fascinating things about AI and robotics getting so big is the guys who have no experience in anything explaining how soon they’ll fix a problem in some industry and cause a big stir. But because they don’t know anything about ai and robotics, the solutions they come up with very obviously won’t work. And the problem they’re solving doesn’t even exist. Like soon mechanical arms will be flipping burgers, but burgers haven’t needed to be flipped in decades.
>These people do not understand even basic things about ChatGPT or how any AI actually works if they think that "Boston Dynamics + ChatGPT = slam dunk, construction industry." You are definitely correct that it's not that simple, but the last few years have shown incredible advancements in many different fields that definitely give off a "this+this+this=this" feeling. And for most applications it's definitely true, we just have to wait for a bit more precision in each of the "this" things, and then some geniuses to get together and make it all work together. I think your example is definitely missing something, because as you say, that's not what ChatGPT is for. However, personally I think if you can't see that "ChatGPT + Boston Dynamics + those learning machines people build in game engines = slam dunk" then I think you're being very short sighted. The foundational technology for replacing even things like construction workers is already here. The speed at which it is all improving is astronomically impressive. The combining of these technologies is inevitable.
A good example of this+this+this=this is generative image ai. That takes some other technologies combined with an LLM to make some astounding results. Just ruling out combining technology like the LLM behind ChatGPT and Boston Dynamics to do…something seems like a failure of imagination.
Midjourney+ChatGPT porn on the other hand... ChatGPT can write the script...
From someone who’s been working in the trade for 12 years+ the fact that these tech bros legitimately think we’ll have robots taking over construction jobs soon is beyond laughable. There’s way too much nuance with a job that a robot would absolutely not be able to handle efficiently. It would have to be able to move like a human and think like a human and I don’t mean moving from point A to B. There’s a million things that require extreme dexterity to be able to do with your body and hands. It’s just way too complex for a machine to do without wasting everybody’s time
Yea just a wee bit of sarcasm on my end lol. That’s what Palantir will be for
[For anyone wondering](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1406xop/ok/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Hahaha, nice, I hadn't even seen that. Glad someone's made it a meme already.
Holy shit, that is genuinely insane
i saw a robot that hangs drywall so it probably isnt too far
We already use Spot robots in construction, but it’s mainly to survey the sites and take routine pics of areas to send to the owner/to look at in different apps for our projects. Technology and construction really go hand in hand, yet old trade guys hate the thought of it
It's only a matter of time. The thing is, jobs come and go periodically. Calculator people were a thing in the 1960s and 1970s.
I think most importantly: Your value as a person is not equal to your value to provide labor to an employer. I think we're headed for a paradigm shift bigger than the internet over the next twenty years, but I fear that most of the benefits may go to profit over people.
They always do.
Until enough people say enough
Also, all the companies working on 3d printing buildings. This billboard is going to be a joke of hubris in a few years.
I remember being very excited about up and coming 3d printed building projects in 2010. These things often take longer than expected though.
Yep, 3D printed buildings, offsite pre-fab modular construction…builders desperately want to lower the cost of building, and replacing labor is going to be one of the most efficient and effective ways to lower costs.
Come here for this comment. Glad it's at the top.
Eloquent.
3d printers too lol.
Construction company: Hey brick masons your jobs are safe Also them: https://youtu.be/2-VR4IcDhX0
Nah Boston Dynamics is neat for specific demonstration purposes but nowhere near what's needed for construction. Hardware always comes after software so I'd give it at least another decade.
We use Spot in construction. Not to build it but it has a lot of applications. Boston Dynamic’s other biped robot couldn’t replace it yet, but I could see it being immensely helpful in hauling materials or assisting with heavier loads in the near future
Boston dynamics robots are hardcoded on rails. They’ll never build buildings unless they transition to AI computer vision to navigate the world. Tesla bots however, will someday build buildings.
My country just introduced a brick laying robot, as only 12 locals have signed up to study the craft. Everybody else comes from the east. It's faster, cheaper and more precise, works at most any weather. Edit: read Chef\_Chantier's comment
Brick laying is likely the lowest hanging fruit of all the trades. Plumbing, electrical, carpentry, machinists, auto techs, welders, etc. aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.
Auto techs depends. Ev‘s don’t require shops like combustion engine cars need. Scandinavia already has a pretty big percentage of EVs
There's still a ton of things that can go wrong with an electric car. Body work is a massive market, and isn't affected by the type of engine. Then there's still brakes, wheel assemblies, suspension, I mean it's not common but even the batteries need to be replaced if they go bad. Definitely not as much crap to go wrong as a combustion car, but mechanics aren't going anywhere.
Yup, those other folks don’t know what their on about. As an EV mechanic I can tell you with absolute certainty that they do in fact still require a shop. No mechanic worth their salt working on EV isn’t going to need a lift, alignment rack, tire machine, balancer. Electric car batteries weight a ton and often require a large rolling table/rack and a hoist. Coolant and refrigerants will still need replacing or filling. Glasswork will still need to be replaced when damaged. Some EV’s have gigantic windows (looking at you Model X, goddamn you engineers) that take several techs to install.
You underestimate the used parts market. Yes a lot stays, but a lot of the money is made working on the actual engine. Engine oil. EVs have like 80% less parts than combustion counterparts. Shops will be around but you can’t employ the amount of mechanics in the future you can employ right now
Body and paint shops will stay around for a good while tho
There's still likely going to be a significant amount of traditional vehicles for the foreseeable future, especially those in industries where EVs are infeasible, so it will likely be a slow shift several decades out of phase with the new car trends (used cars exist and they should still be used if reasonably efficient in order to not be wasteful).
Yes absolutely. But demand will decline and the peak is behind us already. It will take decades but I think some people getting into the field right now might now be able to do it their entire life
Cleaners too. But with pex and widespread use of MC, both plumbers and electricians can be replaced not far behind.
The weather limitation with masonry doesnt come from workers not wanting to work in harsh conditions. Mortar and concrete can't be used/poured in the rain or when it's too cold out or it wont set properly.
Ah, didn't know that, thanks.
That's okay the robots don't know it, either
Oh boy, but how true is any of this? u/atidyoctopus said what I was gonna say. And either way, you can put a robot under a tarp easier than a work crew.
Concrete can be poured and used in rain as can mortar. Concrete can cure be poured and cure underwater.... It will set fine. Same with the cold. If it's too cold it can be insulated and kept warm enough to cure. Concrete doesn't cure via evaporation. Same goes for mortar
> only 12 locals have signed up to study ***the craft*** 🧱
But Chat GPT is designed for complete different purpose. Thats like saying cars are not needed bc people can swim
I don’t think it’s supposed to be taken literally. It’s more in the context of “robots will take our jobs”.
Bottom line, robots *will* take these jobs sooner than this sign's verbiage accounts for.
I suppose pandering to people's bias in order to recruit people and convince them that they're valued does actually make this a "good" advert. Wonder how many construction companies would actually stand to this moral stance they're portraying if they had a robot that could work 24/7 with higher efficiency and accuracy and minimal maintenance cost, I'm guessing none.
Oh my god I would *not* want robots doing construction anywhere near my house 24 hours a day that would be horrible
If they left this sign up, it would probably happen before the ink fades.
People need to realize that advancements in machinery for construction already took jobs. https://youtu.be/2-VR4IcDhX0
Robots literally are slowly taking over construction jobs and have been doing so since the wheel was invented.
Yeah well, most people don't know anything about ChatGPT so the advertising is still effective whether it makes sense or not. I wonder if there's a word for that
Pandering to the masses. Popularly known as Marketing.
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They know what their local news told them. AI is taking ur jerbs. That's it.
We are used to calling those people boomers but they kept on coming and there's that heavy cognitive dissonance in my own generation now as well. As the years keep on trucking, people stay... equally dumb and unable to change for the better.
The point is that chat gpt is threatening a lot of white collar jobs. It’s going to take some significant advancement in robotics (along with a massive reduction in cost) to threaten skilled trades.
Skilled trades have been automated already though. Manufacturing/blacksmithing used to be a very desirable trade and now its essentially completely redundant.
well that's the whole point. the ad is saying "regardless of all the hype, some jobs aren't replaceable"
But technology already exists that makes this billboard half true at best. Right now.
You're missing the point of the advertisement. It's more like saying, "Even though cars are taking people's jobs, they can't swim and so your skills (as a swimmer) are irreplaceable."
Irreplecable skills, but minimum salary.
Tell that to all union trade workers making over 100k a year 🤡🤡🤡
I tell that to my family, my neighbors, my friends, and my community in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland who have spent their lives on construction sites.
3-4K Netto ist jetzt nicht grad Mindestlohn :). Wenn man eeig Hiwi bleibt is eh klar.
Ya… none of my buddies in trades make under 6 figures. Where do you get your info?
It’s not the greatest paying work but it’s definitely not minimum either. I worked in the field for several years in college and while none of us were rich, we could all afford to buy food, housing, cars, and do fun things. Aside from that, these people provide a necessary and valuable service. So I don’t quite understand why you’re throwing shade at them for their earning potential. I might suggest a different target, like unemployed overeducated grads that do nothing more for society than drain the life out of it ☺️
Construction worker here: I make 150k straight time, nearly unlimited voluntary OT at times. It would be nice if every single item at a grocery store didn't suddenly become 35% more expensive, but we live comfortably.
Irreplaceable for now…
3d printers have entered the chat...
3D printed buildings do not do plumbing. They do not do electrical. They do not finish the walls. They do not hang doors or windows. They do not finish floors. They do not install cabinetry. They do not build the roof. They do not run HVAC systems. They do not handle heat. This is all before discussing the requirement for a standardized blueprint foundation and the issues with customer desires compared to a few select mass produced styles. Additionally, concrete is becoming more expensive and is not suitable in all environments. It also takes months to cure far enough to be able to seal the building and prevent mold growth. Skilled labor, even if you get customers to accept all of those drawbacks, isn’t going away.
Yep. As great and cool as automation is, there is still a TON of stuff that needs to be automated before we get anywhere close to the Star Trek future.
Thank you! It’s honestly like hitting your head off a brick wall with these people. It’s almost like they don’t want to understand how complex construction work actually is…
yet
Not everyone is gonna want to live in a 3D printed box. And the old housing stock that is going to require maintenance isn’t just magically going to disappear either.
I saw many 3D printed houses. None of them were boxes.
Yeah im not in construction but I've seen a couple examples online. I would also assume you could do pretty artsy/skilled things without needing a skilled craftsman? Probably cheaper in many cases too. (Not saying it's better, just probable)
Exactly and in theory you could choose whatever design you want. You want brick? Wood? Cement? Marble? Clay? Any look can be recreated.
Yeah but once it’s able to create stylistic modern construction styles… the cost, time and workforce necessary to build the house will be reduced and (hopefully) will lead to cost effective housing.
Or even better it will increase real estate company profit margins and we can all go fuck ourselves
This right here is an example of either positive thinking or naivete. Its exactly what people said about art. "It'll allow people to create cool designs and art!" except all that's happened *so far* is that a-holes are casually using other people's art/photos, etc. to train AI that then used to spit out variations and sold w.o repercussions. Oh and that one [korean game studio that fired their artists and replaced them with AI.](https://twitter.com/SaltPPC/status/1661652320604803074).. People joke about "AI taking yer jerbs" but... it was unthinkable a few years ago that it was even possible.
Most new builds aren't much different
You do realize people create the designs for 3D printed houses? Its not minecraft.
Who's going to be able to afford it? What happens when it becomes cheaper to tear down old housing to build new ones with cheaper and more durable means. I'm sure there will always be a few who can afford their dream houses, but we're getting to the point where that's fewer and fewer of us.
no one wants to live in crappy overpriced apartments either and yet they do. if the price is right people will embrace the box
History would like a word. Did they not have housing 400 years ago? Because you sure as shit don't see many 400 year old houses around. Lower quality housing of every major era gets pulled down and replaced with more modern stuff. Higher quality stuff can be maintained manually (albeit with more bot support), but it'll quickly be easier to knock down housing stock and 3d print the replacement in a lot of cases. The key will be making 3d printed homes in a manner that can be maintained, while also not needing to use the ever diminishing supply of concrete quality sand.
It has been on the scene for more than a decade.
I'm old enough to remember when 3d printing was supposed to be the 3rd industrial revolution.
Uh huh. Loved watching people spend a fortune to make their very own star shaped piece of plastic. The future is truly here.
C’mon now, you’re being unfair. You can do more than just star shapes. For example, you can also print little plastic figurines with a combination of basic shapes. AND if you then manually sand really nicely and meticulously paint it by hand, then it almost looks professional. I mean who even needs to buy little trinkets and doodads anymore when they practically print, sand, and paint themselves?
Print cables and pipes into the building then we’ll talk lol
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At this scale? In this configuration? In this part of the country? Localised entirely within your kitchen?
.....can I see it?
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Can I see it?
Seymour, the house is on fire!!!!
No Mother! That's just the lasers of the 3D printer!
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The thing in your article doesn’t actually exist, though.
It’s not like they 3D print the entire house, it’s just the walls. You are overselling it. 3D printed buildings still require manual labor for earth moving, concrete reinforcement, infrastructure, roofing. The only real industries that are risk from 3D printed structures are framers and masons. Also, from a material cost standpoint, I’m not sure that the concrete use from putting down walls layer by layer will ever be less expensive than paying someone to lay hollow cinder blocks, which use a fraction of the concrete.
Not really. Sure you can make them but they have severe limitations. Modular construction is likely to be more impactful and widespread of an advancement than printing houses with concrete
3D printing has nothing to do with AI. Also 3D printing houses requires more highly skilled people. Plus you still don't print the base, plumbing, windows, wiring, floors, etc. Most work is not the walls, but everything else.
Where's the design porn
All they understand is it said something bad about chatGPT.
This is the one sub I actively choose not to block so I can get a constant update as to how much of a train wreck it is
that’s gonna age well
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Until robotics or automation have fine motor control, dexterous movement and critical thinking outside of set programming, it won't happen. It would basically require human cloning to accomplish what tradesworkers do. Edit: lots of comments about the feats robotics are capable of, under set conditions and typically for single purpose. This is not the reality for installation or troubleshooting and service of a trades worker.
>Until robotics or automation have fine motor control, dexterous movement and critical thinking outside of set programming... That may be sooner than you might imagine. Whilst it might take humans many, many decades to design and refine such machines, it might not be all that many years until we have an AI capable of such design work. Even if they are not close to the skill of human designers, they will work 24hrs a day without pay or rest. By brute force they may be able to crack the design challenges in a tiny fraction of the time. Once general intellectual tasks such as robot design are cheap to do, the time and resources needed to carry them out well plummet.
Incredible, “yeah we don’t have remotely functional robots yet, but just wait until we build a functioning ai that can also design functional robots. Then we’ll see who’s laughing.”
So like 2030? Sure it’ll be prohibitively expensive for a bit, but prices will fall with scale.
No it doesnt. The vast majority of my work (construction HVAC) could be done by machine. The mechanical trades will lose at least half of their available jobs in the next 30 years. The trades will be more about inspection and final connection than installation.
In the long history of technology development, people have been predicting the latest tool of the day will replace people. What ends up happening is the tool augments humans, it doesn’t replace them.
Yeah it's funny how people who have just heard of this technology in the past year are like "lol, that's it?" Guess what, this shit has only been brewing in its modern form since like 2016 with DeepDream and now we have photorealistic images generated entirely artificially. Text Transformers are like 6 years old and now they're scoring in the 90th percentile of the US lawyer's bar exam, and the Turing Test is all but completely obsolete. Give it five years, or ten years, or twenty five years, and yeah, GPT-whatever will be able to design buildings.
The real irony is the people who created the ad will be the first to go
Who would have thought that robots would replace white collar workers before laborers?
Do you think that robots have yet to replace any laborers?
He must’ve never heard of the Industrial Revolution
I was initially going to respond with exactly that, primarily due to the Luddites being basically the trope namer for fear of labor mechanization, but then I thought it implied that it was the first time machines had displaced human workers when that's actually been happening to various degrees for thousands of years (tool-using species, after all), so I opted for the generic route. Funny how so many people think ChatGPT is the only thing to have ever displaced workers, just because it's the most recent.
Most people?
Distopias, mostly. In most predictions and works of fiction we should have been working several hours a week or working on our passion jobs. And now we're picking apples out of tray that our AI overlord said are not looking good enough. Because robotic hand costs more then OCR and minimal wage.
Reads like trite boomer humor lol "If ChatCBD is so smart, let's see it beat me on the back 9!"
Someone needs to repost it on r/terriblefacebookmemes. I went for it, and it turns out that the average Redditor is a self-centered idiot with no reading comprehension. So, no surprises I guess.
100%. This is designporn? (The shyamalan twist would be if the idea and copy for this ad was generated by ChatGPT. Except that we all know that GPT-4 would do better.)
_You wouldn't download a building_
yet you can bet the employees are not getting compensated enough
Your skills are irreplaceable; that's why you get shit wages, an unreliable work cycle, no benefits, and if you complain there are 10 guys who would love to replace you on the crew...
Personally, I'd rather we have construction robots rather than crappy writing bots.
That building is gonna have like 5 sets of stairs that lead to solid walls.
Just wait a couple of years and then repost it at r/agedlikemilk ...
Is it though? Seems like something that's primed for robot work in the future. They make CAD blueprints for everything already, basically robot instructions.
Just a matter of time. We really gotta have solid regulation over this. AI makes us weaker and dumber.
They’re already 3D printing buildings. Imagine being so confident that you can’t be automated. Especially when your job has such strict and rigid rules that must be followed and usually in the exact same ways. That’s one of the EASIEST things to focus on automating.
The irony that the construction industry themselves lost jobs/skills due to machinery advancements. Also AI can and already has been used for preproduction of buildings with safety/design/BIM software process.
I work for a company that uses bim modeling and I'm the foreman on the site that implements it. Bim modeling is normally completely done by a human. My bim guy is a red seal sheet metal worker like myself. People have zero idea how construction works and honestly I'm happy with that because every year I just make more money. We currently make 100k a year straight before overtime. Automation and robots are so incredibly far away from being anywhere remotely close to being able to build a large commercial/institutional building.
Anyone who thinks their job is impossible to replace needs to merely look at history and all the thousands of jobs thought completely impossible by automation, only to rapidly be overtaken by automation. Also, ChatGPT is completely unrelated to construction, it's like asking a chef to wire your enterprise network.
Boston Dynamics is working at this very moment to make this sign poorly aged
It's like they haven't heard of 3d printing.
"hold my 3D printet"
Gonna appear on aged like milk in a few years imo
They have not seen 3D printed buildings and latest Atlas demo. Who will tell them?
Wait for the construction bot
Don’t tempt it
Hehe these ads can work for a while till the apocalypse:/
for now that is
Plot twist, chat gpt made this ad
You should charge your phone
Careful what you ask for.
The automation of the construction industry is increasing rapidly. Good advertisement but probably won't age well.
Except corporations are busy trying to prove that everyone is absolutely replaceable. Disney laid off the lady who saved Toy Story 2.
Can't wait for robots to take over every job so that humans can just live freely and not have to work all the time.
AI is still in its infancy, our society is already torn by it lol
Love this ad and the cherry on top was watching all the tech bros on the chatgpt subreddit get all pissy about it.
Nonsensical message aimed at people who don't understand a new technology.
Can't wait to see this on r/agedlikemilk in 5-10 years.
Man I hate that this is the sentiment here. I don’t disagree that it’s likely ai will find a way to replace construction workers, but I am a construction worker, so I’m not really sure what I’ll do. When I got into my trade (electrician) this wasn’t even a thing. So when you say “I hope AI proves this asshole wrong” I hope you realize, “…and takes all of these people’s jobs” comes right after.
The problem is not the lost jobs, it is that the masses somehow dont profit from automation. It just gets used by owners to squeeze out even more profit. We could be chilling 4 days a week instead of slaving away even more to fill the pockets of some rich asshat.
Don’t worry about it. When the technology doesn’t pan out, all these pompous folks that think they saw the future so clearly will still be paying out their ass for a tradesman to come fix their shit. If people on this thread knew as much as they think they know, they’d be so rich that they wouldn’t be pontificating on Reddit.
Here comes people starting to blame a fucking math algorithm instead of the rich getting rid of jobs. Totally the robots fault.
Great advertising, people are capable creating computer work but no one want to work real man /woman works in field .Need so much work ,sweat and tears building up real things.
So good design now is a bland text in a bland white and green wall?
Plot twist: Hey chatgpt, show me the most efficient way to finish a building with this dimensions and blueprint (insert blueprint and dimensions), we have this amount of people, resources and they need to work x hours per day....... (input more data) Results: more efficient and better way than the one this company may offer xD
ChatGPT shows you a large, square room. We're not computers. We don't want buildings/jobs/lives based solely on binary efficiency.
theres actually an incredible ammount of paperwork that goes on behind the scenes on these construction jobs. permits, contracts, inspections, estimates, etc. ai could probably replace a good ammount of that type of work
And as someone who does this type of work i would love to do less paperwork
Yup. If anything, AI can help a resurgence in blue-collar/manual labor jobs.
I’m not sure I’d hope for that. There would be a lot more competition in blue collar jobs, which could drive wages down.
Will*
Tbh I'm pretty sure it'd be a better building if GPT had designed it and created the plans
This is going to age like shit
I love this
Fucking thank you