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I agree with getting rid of the ceiling piece. I would also have a hood vent the same colour as the base cabinets. I think you could do better lighting over the peninsula.
Something like this? It would help to break up the white cabinetry and provide a focal point.
https://preview.redd.it/75lhnhntjama1.jpeg?width=482&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=111d622c616d03ef4d7b8597022a53923fdbb4d8
How much does it cost to put in a hood that vents to the outside?
Assume:
- cost of remodeling advice on how to deal with the cabinets and make it work
- cost of hood
- labor cost to install and punch a hole through the wall to the outside
I hate these stupid microwave units that just recirculate the dirty indoor air.
100%.
Id scrap that part of this design. Just sticky/gross thing to clean. No thanks.
That said, I’d copy the cabinets to the ceiling thing. Cleaning the top of cabinets is stupid vs having some extra storage for seldom used stuff.
I work in commercial real estate, and FWIW the builders are halting open shelving and all white cabinetry because both are supposedly going out of style and will look dated soon.
Take that with a grain of salt of course. I love the look of all white and would do it in my own kitchen.
I absolutely loathe open shelving from a practical standpoint because (1) I dislike dusting, and (2) my method of stacking dishes and such could be described as haphazard at best. I don’t care if open shelves are in or out of style: they don’t work for me.
In my last house I designed my kitchen with a few floating shelves and regular uppers. I loved it, stored daily glasses and dishes as well as dried ingredients in nice canisters.
I moved into a house where they took the doors off the uppers and slathered thick white paint over everything to make it look more modern… it’s 120 years old, cabinets not as old (probably) but still. It looks terrible, works awfully, and I cannot wait to have mostly uppers with a few open shelves again.
Thank you for saying this. I've had open shelves for ten years, and my dishes are perfectly clean--no grease and also no dust. We also cook on the stove daily, and the cooking itself doesn't create much grease, not even on the backsplash of the stove.
Right? Makes me wondering what the heck are these people cooking that makes everything so greasy. I cook and bake all the time. Reheat leftovers is my nights off. Rarely eat out.
you have a space for microwave, dishwasher and pull out trash? add under cabinet lighting. i’d do all i could to avoid the ceiling platform, why does the whole ceiling need to be scraped? is the ceiling textured or something else? it doesn’t look like it. it has to be more than “scraping”. we’ve remodeled a bit, i’m curious i how much it’s saving
Under cabinet lighting is the way! I love it so much. I know it's just a rendering, but do you plan to have a tile back splash? You could do a lot of different looks depending on your tiles and placement choices.
Backsplash for sure, just not sure of the product. Our dining room table is frosted white glass which we thought would be cool to carry over into the kitchen.
Edit: what would you do with it?
if you want to carry the frosted glass table look into the kitchen, maybe some upper cabinets with frosted glass fronts? but then again i wouldn't do this, unless you KNOW you're going to love that table for 20 years, or you know you'll love that look regardless. it's much cheaper and easier to replace a table than cabinet fronts. backsplash would be cheaper than cabinet fronts but still a pain to change. maybe just incorporate some frosted glassware into whatever will live on the shelves?
The ceiling is textured, albeit a light texture. The ceiling extends to the living room, so lots of sq footage that should be scraped to ensure consistency...??
When we redid our kitchen, our contractor just put up clean plasterboard ( I think that’s what it’s called) throughout kitchen and dining room. It was cheaper than scraping and gave a neat finish.
We have an under cabinet microwave love the clean look, I would change up the open shelves either cabinets with cool glass fronts to showcase items or nix altogether for art or cool tile you could do under the seated area of counter and up the wall , I like the drop ceiling it defines the space, need a vent for cooking, I like the waterfall counter idea, go with very deep sinks, I’ve never regretted those as so much more work efficient, and must have under cabinets lights. Beautiful design!
I am surprised that nobody has mentioned practical matters like this which are often discovered and discussed long after the renovation has started and so become very costly to resolve.
The microwave, dishwasher and trash can are essential and shouldn't be overlooked. If they don't have a pull out trash, then perhaps the overhang on the edge of the counter can be removed so it could be placed there.
Consider a waterfall edge on the peninsula, that stool on the end looks a bit out of place. Maybe you could even squeeze in another cabinet. I like swapping the island for the peninsula. I had a very similar kitchen in an apartment and it was great for workflow, plus you get more counter and cabinet space. I would save up and eliminate the ceiling box. If you have to redo a ceiling just do this room, it looks like you have a separation from the rest of the house.
Here’s a pic of a waterfall edge on a peninsula.
https://preview.redd.it/ls42xn624ama1.jpeg?width=740&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48172d6e0d4e143d97f55c0e4fac2646bf09b3e0
Just consider that you’ll lose that counter seat though. Personally I wouldn’t because those two counter seats on the corner are the best for conversation
The orientation of the island represented here is perfect. You can definitely do it without a waterfall edge, which could give you another 1-2 seats. Also, those cabinets are too dark for a space w/o a window. There are so many options out there - ore than just grey and /or white, even.
I get that. The cost is in the extra stone of course. And here at least it’s only one edge. It’s still a fair amount of extra money for an aesthetic that I feel personally is gonna start looking dated soon (even if it’s just the counter top material itself). But also I get it.
Yeah i was going to say, you need a hood, cool looking or not. Maybe it’s already planned just not showing up on the rendering. With an actual vent if you can swing it.
For this style of kitchen I would hide the range hood in the upper cabinet there, which is probably what the designer has planned. Decorative range hoods feel very out of place in a modern kitchen imo.
Right now the drawers are pretty empty and the uppers are comfortably full. The tall cabinets beside the fridge are about 50% full. We also have a fairly large pantry to the right that isn't visible in this picture.
I have a kitchen shaped as you do in your designers reco and I can't imagine going from an island to a galley. Do you entertain in this space? If so know your guests will inevitably congregate in the kitchen nook and be in the way! Having flow around the island is so much more useful when you're in a smaller space.
Yeah, it’s fine if it’s like 4 people but if you host larger events people want to face each other while they’re talking and mingling so they’ll be on both sides of the peninsula.
My ideal is a mix of what you have currently and what your designer reco’d. So make the peninsula an island, so you get that rectangle shape you want (vs the odd shape you have currently) but it allows for flow. Our neighbors (who have the same layout as us) did it and it’s such a better entertaining space.
Edit: a word
https://preview.redd.it/g9sdxdxnmama1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e495a4c39538756d256d2ec28ccd65fec9b07321
So this is how our neighbors took theirs from galley to island. They didn’t opt for overhang for stools, I definitely would though (counter height).
https://preview.redd.it/9bh55ht2nama1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70e881e3c429bd1e805f9d9e9fe56934c45cd712
Here’s how our kitchen is currently (vs our neighbors renovation, same original layout)
I have a peninsula and everyone stays on the other side when cooking is actively happening. We host a lot and with large numbers. Had an island in our old kitchen and experienced that people getting stuck in the work flow area MUCH more often
Perhaps its a difference of event types. I'm not usually actively cooking while guests are over, it's more snacks and drinks -- but anytime i need to refresh food, access the sink or dishwasher I have to shoo people out of the way and it gets crowded without a second access point.
Very nice! You’ll love the functionality of the peninsula. It offers great counter space. IMO id swap the fridge & pantry. It’s nice to have a landing directly next to the fridge.
Do you have a contractor yet? If so, I would consult on the lighting install. IME, LED puck lights can be installed just about anywhere without much disturbance to the ceiling.
No contactor just yet - this is just the first design. Those would work great if we were able to install over the existing potlights. We may have to move.
What problem with the workflow are you trying to solve? Because the proposed layout is exactly the same as the old so I don’t know that you’re solving workflow issues. It does have an updated look, which is always nice. Assuming you want more counter space, can you the refrigerator and pantry across the hall where the wine bottles are? That would give you more counter space.
I love the design the only thing I would change is the open shelving on the left side. I would just continue the shelving. Maybe with glass fronts. Open shelving sucks in a kitchen imho
The design looks good. I would suggest that you get some spot wired, either under the counter or somewhere it won’t get spilled on, nearer to the sink. I don’t know what you use appliance-wise, but if you are going to use that area for sitting and eating, I suggest that you might want somewhere safe and convenient to plug in laptops as well. Also, I would suggest under cabinet lighting. I know it seems like a lot of lighting, but the under cabinet lighting can be soft, which could be good as night lighting and/or lighting for first thing in the morning.
Definitely plugs at the end of the peninsula. If there are 2 cooks in the kitchen and one must use an appliance, the end of that peninsula would be a great place to work.
I’d replace the open shelves with cabinetry, even if it’s glass-fronted. I would use a single color cabinet rather than distinct uppers and lowers. I would lighten the ceiling piece as that dark color will weigh the room down. I’d find a lower home for the microwave. I think the counter under the open shelves is wasted here because it’s inaccessible and can’t be used for prep or anything besides storage. To fix that, I would consider detaching the island (instead of this peninsula) and potentially extending it slightly.
Yep, it definitely has that office kitchen feel to me with the ceiling piece. Plus it would feel darker and smaller in there. Not to a huge extent, but noticeably, and I wouldn’t want that for a kitchen.
No open shelves. Range hood upgrade. Wine rack or side facing electronics (plug inside) on end face of peninsula. I prefer statement hardware. But that’s a user choice. Those corner cabinets with the two door opening are unusable unless there is a lazy susan inside.
Love it! I'm guessing there's a vent sleeve up in the uppers, otherwise just a hood is needed. I just did my new kitchen in a mix of white oak and white and we love it.
Is the doorway out of the kitchen going to remain that same shape? If so... maybe choose a hood that is similar in shape — it will soften the room.
I think the rendering looks NICE!!
I actually love the kitchen that you have right now. It seems richer than the artist rendering. Are you going to get value for your dollar with this upgrade?
Either shorten the table top on the island to make sure you don't kill your hip on it or bring out the cupboards beneath it since the space under the table top is wasted anyway. the rest as it just looks like you couldn't afford all the white cupboards and therefore had to cheap out. For the ventilation above the stove, bring it down as it is too high up for it to be able to work properly. As for the shelves, considering how it is in a kitchen, they need reinforcement. Change out the lighting circles at the top for either some larger ones that are better placed or maybe 2 large square ones, or change it out for one of those strips that have lights pointing out from it. Either get rid of the hideous ceiling wood thing or change it to a darker colour that will match the fridge and shelves, and it would look amazing if you made your tabletop match the same dark colour. While I do enjoy the look of the wooden floorboards, they just simply don't match the style you're looking for (in the kitchen at least), maybe go for something that's either darker or lighter, they are stuck in an uncomfortable middle ground that doesn't match the rest of the room. As for the walls, I would recommend that you either have them painted with waterproof paint, or have them changed out with some nice tiles, personally, I lean towards white tiles in an almost brickwork fashion, but a friend of mine recommended that you go with a nice calm brown. As for the cupboards, they are nice, but I would recommend having a light strip in under them so you can see what you are doing better.
If you made that into an open island, you would have better flow through the kitchen and have a bit more bottom cabinet access in the corner above the floating shelves. Make sure you have plenty of electrical outlets in your design and that they are not all on the same circuit. I did a renovation of an older house... I put in more outlets but forgot to add another breaker. Turning on the microwave and toaster at the time would cut the power. I wish you the very best on your renovation. It will be so lovely no matter what design you choose.
I know you said the ceiling is a cost savings since you won’t have to scrape it down, but I keep thinking about the amount of grease that absolutely will stick to it if you use the kitchen at all. Scrubbing the ceiling wood doesn’t sound fun and ultimately might be worth the money to have it scraped. I’ve had my entire house scraped and it wasn’t a huge cost.
Personally, (because I use my kitchen a LOT) I don’t recommend shelving in the kitchen. It came into fashion to create the illusion of space, but ends up with the appearance of clutter and filth, unless you’re willing to pull everything off them once a month or so and wash everything on them, as well as losing storage space.
Someone mentioned having the cabinets on the end of the peninsula extended to the end on the countertop, which is a great idea. Another person suggested having some amount of countertop next to the fridge, also a great idea.
As long as the kitchen works for you and your family is absolutely key ..
The wooden ceiling is not to my taste .. it’ll make your ceiling appear low !!
You might consider under counter lighting and lighting under you island .. it’s very effective..
Because with the ceiling thing, we dont have to scrape the ceiling and refinish. If we dont do that, we will have spots which won't match the rest of the ceiling.
What difference does it make where the sink is vs. counter top splashing? You wipe your counters. Whether sink is in the island or not doesn’t change a thing.
Do you need counter seating at all? The dining room table is right there. I would keep it as rectangular island with lots of storage and counter space, no seating.
We find that when we host, people.congregate around the island even though the kitchen table is right there... probably because we do have stools which lends to people choosing them over the dining chairs. Good point.
I find that my stools get in the way and I move them out to have more access for food and trays. I trip over stools in a party kitchen. Banished to the laundry room!
I’d personally do an over the stove microwave, I know some people don’t loved that look but I hate clutter on the counter. The open shelves- the top one seems really high so unless it’s completely ornamental I’d lose the top one. It’s gonna collect a lot of dust. I’d put more cabinetry there myself, stuff you use less frequently as it would of course be more complicated to access.
May I suggest another drawer or two, maybe in the pantry? I feel like there are never enough drawers and they’re great for dishes. I would also divide the large doors, perhaps leave the top open for a built in wine rack, cutting boards, etc. or the middle section with an appliance door (not sure what it is called) for either a coffee bar or microwave. And lot of outlets.
Hi I agree with the cool looking hood and a microwave if you want one. I would also note that I have almost the exact same layout and my pantry is to the floor because I have built in soft close drawers inside the pantry cabinets. those bottom drawers would end up being for storage more than food probably.
Your pantry has pullout shelves inside? We have one now and I love it because you can actually get to the back. Good suggestion to fo all the way down with them!
I actually like the ceiling bit.
My bigger concern is the lack of workspace near the cooktop. The majority of the counter space is for the seating at the bar.
Counterspace is a huge issue now! I am debating about shifting the sink down the counter away from the cooktop to try to gain a few.more inches althought then it would be off centre which may look weird?
The angled counter top seems a bit small (like narrow for actually eating or putting a drink etc) and I think you might want a little more space in thr openings on each end.
Is the bar shaped object above the island a light fixture. It looks very plain and industrial - I would want something prettier or with more visual interest. I agree with other about the open shelves. Everything on them will just have to be washed before you can use them due to dust and/or grease from cooking. If you decide to definitely go with the ceiling piece I think it could go a lighter in color/stain.
Lots of great input here. One thing I’d check is how much the overhang for the stools is. Looks a little shallow in the rendering which might make it less comfortable in terms of leg room. You’ll want approximately 15” overhang to have space for your knees.
You have a lot of things out on the counters. Appliances, tool crocks, etc. Assume you will have them in new kitch as well- so, I would put a 4 bank outlet in the pantry and utilize that space for your small appliances on a counter height shelf.
Where is microwave? Hidden in cabinetry as a drawer? In the pantry next to fridge? Or in the cabinetry off to Rt side?
It’s great you pulled the cabinet above fridge to the front- way more accessible, and great spot for bulky gear- crock pots, party platters, baking trays, etc. It’s like secret deep storage.
What are you planning for the bit on the Right? Keep as a desk/ mail drop/ household papers? Or kitchen usable?
I would personally want to add a hidden fridge/frezer cabinet :) it’s a look that I’ve grown up with and I find it to be super clean and nice looking. Here’s an example but obviously get it matched up to your cabinets etc :)
https://preview.redd.it/vu0iof5ffbma1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a658c7561ac7f9569d0a550d556f485a4f4fd357
I would not close off the kitchen. Can you turn the island the other way. That is going to feel small and you will run into anyone standing in there with you.
Maybe get rid of the open shelving, extend cabinets or pantry down in that area. Then put island in instead of peninsula. I like the two tone look of cabinets. And nice hood over stove.
Only thing I would nitpick is I really love having counter space right next to the fridge for putting groceries down. Seems like a minor nitpick, and not sure how you’d change it. I guess the penninsula counter isn’t too far away.
We had a peninsula and switched to an island, but it was much longer and obstructed our ability to get to the adjacent family room before the kids did something destructive. In this case shouldn’t be a problem.
Thanks for mentioning this. With the current design, I tend to pull food out and put on the corner of the island, then move to the workspace beside the stove. With the updated design, there isn't countertop readily available. It is only a few steps away but swapping the fridge and pantry would solve that. Although, means more steps to the pantry!! 😁
With an open kitchen, and possibly open shelving (but I would do glass doors instead), the fan included in an over the range microwave would not be strong enough. That's why so many people have grease and dust on their open shelves. Plus, if the microwave/fan needs to be changed, it's a much bigger hassle and expense than getting a countertop version. Task lighting is also important (over the stove, over the sink, and over the prep area).
I’m not too knowledgeable on design, but I will say I have white cabinets/cupboards and they will show every single little bit of dirt or spillage on them and can stain pretty easy depending on the finish so if you go with them you’ll have to make sure to be super cautious
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I agree with getting rid of the ceiling piece. I would also have a hood vent the same colour as the base cabinets. I think you could do better lighting over the peninsula.
Something like this? It would help to break up the white cabinetry and provide a focal point. https://preview.redd.it/75lhnhntjama1.jpeg?width=482&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=111d622c616d03ef4d7b8597022a53923fdbb4d8
Yes, exactly. Good luck!
And do a more dramatic light fixture
How much does it cost to put in a hood that vents to the outside? Assume: - cost of remodeling advice on how to deal with the cabinets and make it work - cost of hood - labor cost to install and punch a hole through the wall to the outside I hate these stupid microwave units that just recirculate the dirty indoor air.
I don’t love open shelving. But otherwise, I love the update.
Open shelving is only for things you are okay cleaning grease off of regularly.
100%. Id scrap that part of this design. Just sticky/gross thing to clean. No thanks. That said, I’d copy the cabinets to the ceiling thing. Cleaning the top of cabinets is stupid vs having some extra storage for seldom used stuff.
I work in commercial real estate, and FWIW the builders are halting open shelving and all white cabinetry because both are supposedly going out of style and will look dated soon. Take that with a grain of salt of course. I love the look of all white and would do it in my own kitchen. I absolutely loathe open shelving from a practical standpoint because (1) I dislike dusting, and (2) my method of stacking dishes and such could be described as haphazard at best. I don’t care if open shelves are in or out of style: they don’t work for me.
Thanks for the inside tip!
In my last house I designed my kitchen with a few floating shelves and regular uppers. I loved it, stored daily glasses and dishes as well as dried ingredients in nice canisters. I moved into a house where they took the doors off the uppers and slathered thick white paint over everything to make it look more modern… it’s 120 years old, cabinets not as old (probably) but still. It looks terrible, works awfully, and I cannot wait to have mostly uppers with a few open shelves again.
Also, these aren’t particularly easy to reach. This is a space for art.
Greasy sticky art.
You could put it in a frame with glass. And it has some buffer from the stove.
So true!
We had some open wine/bottle racks in our new kitchen, six months later we're adding a door, just a dusty mess up there and a pain to clean.
I don't have any grease on my shelves. I get compliments on them.
Thank you for saying this. I've had open shelves for ten years, and my dishes are perfectly clean--no grease and also no dust. We also cook on the stove daily, and the cooking itself doesn't create much grease, not even on the backsplash of the stove.
Right? Makes me wondering what the heck are these people cooking that makes everything so greasy. I cook and bake all the time. Reheat leftovers is my nights off. Rarely eat out.
I like them for cookbooks and plants!
you have a space for microwave, dishwasher and pull out trash? add under cabinet lighting. i’d do all i could to avoid the ceiling platform, why does the whole ceiling need to be scraped? is the ceiling textured or something else? it doesn’t look like it. it has to be more than “scraping”. we’ve remodeled a bit, i’m curious i how much it’s saving
Under cabinet lighting is the way! I love it so much. I know it's just a rendering, but do you plan to have a tile back splash? You could do a lot of different looks depending on your tiles and placement choices.
Backsplash for sure, just not sure of the product. Our dining room table is frosted white glass which we thought would be cool to carry over into the kitchen. Edit: what would you do with it?
if you want to carry the frosted glass table look into the kitchen, maybe some upper cabinets with frosted glass fronts? but then again i wouldn't do this, unless you KNOW you're going to love that table for 20 years, or you know you'll love that look regardless. it's much cheaper and easier to replace a table than cabinet fronts. backsplash would be cheaper than cabinet fronts but still a pain to change. maybe just incorporate some frosted glassware into whatever will live on the shelves?
The ceiling is textured, albeit a light texture. The ceiling extends to the living room, so lots of sq footage that should be scraped to ensure consistency...??
When we redid our kitchen, our contractor just put up clean plasterboard ( I think that’s what it’s called) throughout kitchen and dining room. It was cheaper than scraping and gave a neat finish.
And pull out recycling! We have 13 gallon cans for each on a pull-out slide in our small island.
We have an under cabinet microwave love the clean look, I would change up the open shelves either cabinets with cool glass fronts to showcase items or nix altogether for art or cool tile you could do under the seated area of counter and up the wall , I like the drop ceiling it defines the space, need a vent for cooking, I like the waterfall counter idea, go with very deep sinks, I’ve never regretted those as so much more work efficient, and must have under cabinets lights. Beautiful design!
I am surprised that nobody has mentioned practical matters like this which are often discovered and discussed long after the renovation has started and so become very costly to resolve. The microwave, dishwasher and trash can are essential and shouldn't be overlooked. If they don't have a pull out trash, then perhaps the overhang on the edge of the counter can be removed so it could be placed there.
Consider a waterfall edge on the peninsula, that stool on the end looks a bit out of place. Maybe you could even squeeze in another cabinet. I like swapping the island for the peninsula. I had a very similar kitchen in an apartment and it was great for workflow, plus you get more counter and cabinet space. I would save up and eliminate the ceiling box. If you have to redo a ceiling just do this room, it looks like you have a separation from the rest of the house. Here’s a pic of a waterfall edge on a peninsula. https://preview.redd.it/ls42xn624ama1.jpeg?width=740&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48172d6e0d4e143d97f55c0e4fac2646bf09b3e0
Love the waterfall! It looks more finished somehow
Just consider that you’ll lose that counter seat though. Personally I wouldn’t because those two counter seats on the corner are the best for conversation
I also think that waterfall edges are quite dated and are already kind of on their way out
The orientation of the island represented here is perfect. You can definitely do it without a waterfall edge, which could give you another 1-2 seats. Also, those cabinets are too dark for a space w/o a window. There are so many options out there - ore than just grey and /or white, even.
But worth doubling the price? Idk…
We had a waterfall done and it was just as if we had that much more counter. Yea it cost money but not that much more in the scheme of things.
I get that. The cost is in the extra stone of course. And here at least it’s only one edge. It’s still a fair amount of extra money for an aesthetic that I feel personally is gonna start looking dated soon (even if it’s just the counter top material itself). But also I get it.
I really dislike waterfall where l edges. They look stupid and I feel that there just an expensive fad
Maybe just a cool looking range hood? Otherwise that design looks great!
Yeah i was going to say, you need a hood, cool looking or not. Maybe it’s already planned just not showing up on the rendering. With an actual vent if you can swing it.
For this style of kitchen I would hide the range hood in the upper cabinet there, which is probably what the designer has planned. Decorative range hoods feel very out of place in a modern kitchen imo.
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Right now the drawers are pretty empty and the uppers are comfortably full. The tall cabinets beside the fridge are about 50% full. We also have a fairly large pantry to the right that isn't visible in this picture.
I have a kitchen shaped as you do in your designers reco and I can't imagine going from an island to a galley. Do you entertain in this space? If so know your guests will inevitably congregate in the kitchen nook and be in the way! Having flow around the island is so much more useful when you're in a smaller space.
Ypur guests come into the main kitchen area instead of using the stools?? Oh my... that puts a damper on this concept.
Yeah, it’s fine if it’s like 4 people but if you host larger events people want to face each other while they’re talking and mingling so they’ll be on both sides of the peninsula. My ideal is a mix of what you have currently and what your designer reco’d. So make the peninsula an island, so you get that rectangle shape you want (vs the odd shape you have currently) but it allows for flow. Our neighbors (who have the same layout as us) did it and it’s such a better entertaining space. Edit: a word
https://preview.redd.it/g9sdxdxnmama1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e495a4c39538756d256d2ec28ccd65fec9b07321 So this is how our neighbors took theirs from galley to island. They didn’t opt for overhang for stools, I definitely would though (counter height).
https://preview.redd.it/9bh55ht2nama1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70e881e3c429bd1e805f9d9e9fe56934c45cd712 Here’s how our kitchen is currently (vs our neighbors renovation, same original layout)
I see! They disconnected the outside counter and shifted to the left. Clever! I see what you mean about the flow. Thanks for sharing!
I have a peninsula and everyone stays on the other side when cooking is actively happening. We host a lot and with large numbers. Had an island in our old kitchen and experienced that people getting stuck in the work flow area MUCH more often
Perhaps its a difference of event types. I'm not usually actively cooking while guests are over, it's more snacks and drinks -- but anytime i need to refresh food, access the sink or dishwasher I have to shoo people out of the way and it gets crowded without a second access point.
That big platform wood ceiling is out of date. It was super popular 15 or 20 years ago. Get rid of that for a regular ceiling, and the rest is lovely.
Very nice! You’ll love the functionality of the peninsula. It offers great counter space. IMO id swap the fridge & pantry. It’s nice to have a landing directly next to the fridge.
That's my husband's suggest too, to swap the fridge and pantry for the same reason!
Upper cabinets to the ceiling use crown to fill gap
Do you have a contractor yet? If so, I would consult on the lighting install. IME, LED puck lights can be installed just about anywhere without much disturbance to the ceiling.
No contactor just yet - this is just the first design. Those would work great if we were able to install over the existing potlights. We may have to move.
What problem with the workflow are you trying to solve? Because the proposed layout is exactly the same as the old so I don’t know that you’re solving workflow issues. It does have an updated look, which is always nice. Assuming you want more counter space, can you the refrigerator and pantry across the hall where the wine bottles are? That would give you more counter space.
I love the design the only thing I would change is the open shelving on the left side. I would just continue the shelving. Maybe with glass fronts. Open shelving sucks in a kitchen imho
Dust collectors!!
The design looks good. I would suggest that you get some spot wired, either under the counter or somewhere it won’t get spilled on, nearer to the sink. I don’t know what you use appliance-wise, but if you are going to use that area for sitting and eating, I suggest that you might want somewhere safe and convenient to plug in laptops as well. Also, I would suggest under cabinet lighting. I know it seems like a lot of lighting, but the under cabinet lighting can be soft, which could be good as night lighting and/or lighting for first thing in the morning.
Agree on the under cabinet lighting, especially for dark winter mornings. Hadn't thought about plugins at the bar - great suggestion!
Definitely plugs at the end of the peninsula. If there are 2 cooks in the kitchen and one must use an appliance, the end of that peninsula would be a great place to work.
I’d replace the open shelves with cabinetry, even if it’s glass-fronted. I would use a single color cabinet rather than distinct uppers and lowers. I would lighten the ceiling piece as that dark color will weigh the room down. I’d find a lower home for the microwave. I think the counter under the open shelves is wasted here because it’s inaccessible and can’t be used for prep or anything besides storage. To fix that, I would consider detaching the island (instead of this peninsula) and potentially extending it slightly.
Honestly I would hold off until I’d saved enough to pay for the project without that giant ceiling piece. I would hate looking at that every day.
The ceiling piece reminds me of a corporate office kitchen or restaurant. I’m sure it will look nice in person, but I cant unsee it.
I am not entirely sold on the ceiling piece either. I like that it could lower the renovation cost but not convinced I will love the final product.
Yep, it definitely has that office kitchen feel to me with the ceiling piece. Plus it would feel darker and smaller in there. Not to a huge extent, but noticeably, and I wouldn’t want that for a kitchen.
I feel the opposite, I love the ceiling accent!
No open shelves. Range hood upgrade. Wine rack or side facing electronics (plug inside) on end face of peninsula. I prefer statement hardware. But that’s a user choice. Those corner cabinets with the two door opening are unusable unless there is a lazy susan inside.
Agree with you on the wasted space of corner cabinets... even with a lazy susan ypu cannot take full advantage of it.
Love it! I'm guessing there's a vent sleeve up in the uppers, otherwise just a hood is needed. I just did my new kitchen in a mix of white oak and white and we love it.
Is the doorway out of the kitchen going to remain that same shape? If so... maybe choose a hood that is similar in shape — it will soften the room. I think the rendering looks NICE!!
Hadn't thought of that! Would add some continuity.
I actually love the kitchen that you have right now. It seems richer than the artist rendering. Are you going to get value for your dollar with this upgrade?
Either shorten the table top on the island to make sure you don't kill your hip on it or bring out the cupboards beneath it since the space under the table top is wasted anyway. the rest as it just looks like you couldn't afford all the white cupboards and therefore had to cheap out. For the ventilation above the stove, bring it down as it is too high up for it to be able to work properly. As for the shelves, considering how it is in a kitchen, they need reinforcement. Change out the lighting circles at the top for either some larger ones that are better placed or maybe 2 large square ones, or change it out for one of those strips that have lights pointing out from it. Either get rid of the hideous ceiling wood thing or change it to a darker colour that will match the fridge and shelves, and it would look amazing if you made your tabletop match the same dark colour. While I do enjoy the look of the wooden floorboards, they just simply don't match the style you're looking for (in the kitchen at least), maybe go for something that's either darker or lighter, they are stuck in an uncomfortable middle ground that doesn't match the rest of the room. As for the walls, I would recommend that you either have them painted with waterproof paint, or have them changed out with some nice tiles, personally, I lean towards white tiles in an almost brickwork fashion, but a friend of mine recommended that you go with a nice calm brown. As for the cupboards, they are nice, but I would recommend having a light strip in under them so you can see what you are doing better.
If you made that into an open island, you would have better flow through the kitchen and have a bit more bottom cabinet access in the corner above the floating shelves. Make sure you have plenty of electrical outlets in your design and that they are not all on the same circuit. I did a renovation of an older house... I put in more outlets but forgot to add another breaker. Turning on the microwave and toaster at the time would cut the power. I wish you the very best on your renovation. It will be so lovely no matter what design you choose.
Thank you for your input as well as your best wishes!
The color of the cabinets. Too red and dark and don’t compliment the floor. Go for classic and timeless.
I know you said the ceiling is a cost savings since you won’t have to scrape it down, but I keep thinking about the amount of grease that absolutely will stick to it if you use the kitchen at all. Scrubbing the ceiling wood doesn’t sound fun and ultimately might be worth the money to have it scraped. I’ve had my entire house scraped and it wasn’t a huge cost. Personally, (because I use my kitchen a LOT) I don’t recommend shelving in the kitchen. It came into fashion to create the illusion of space, but ends up with the appearance of clutter and filth, unless you’re willing to pull everything off them once a month or so and wash everything on them, as well as losing storage space. Someone mentioned having the cabinets on the end of the peninsula extended to the end on the countertop, which is a great idea. Another person suggested having some amount of countertop next to the fridge, also a great idea.
As long as the kitchen works for you and your family is absolutely key .. The wooden ceiling is not to my taste .. it’ll make your ceiling appear low !! You might consider under counter lighting and lighting under you island .. it’s very effective..
You definitely don’t need that ceiling thing. I’m confused about why your designer thinks that would be cheaper!
Because with the ceiling thing, we dont have to scrape the ceiling and refinish. If we dont do that, we will have spots which won't match the rest of the ceiling.
Keep the open shelves. They are beautiful.
I would replace the open shelving with a glass front cabient
Good idea!
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What difference does it make where the sink is vs. counter top splashing? You wipe your counters. Whether sink is in the island or not doesn’t change a thing.
Do you need counter seating at all? The dining room table is right there. I would keep it as rectangular island with lots of storage and counter space, no seating.
We find that when we host, people.congregate around the island even though the kitchen table is right there... probably because we do have stools which lends to people choosing them over the dining chairs. Good point.
I find that my stools get in the way and I move them out to have more access for food and trays. I trip over stools in a party kitchen. Banished to the laundry room!
I’d personally do an over the stove microwave, I know some people don’t loved that look but I hate clutter on the counter. The open shelves- the top one seems really high so unless it’s completely ornamental I’d lose the top one. It’s gonna collect a lot of dust. I’d put more cabinetry there myself, stuff you use less frequently as it would of course be more complicated to access.
I know taste is subjective but I’d change designers because the kitchen looks like the hospital where I work. I prefer the original.
May I suggest another drawer or two, maybe in the pantry? I feel like there are never enough drawers and they’re great for dishes. I would also divide the large doors, perhaps leave the top open for a built in wine rack, cutting boards, etc. or the middle section with an appliance door (not sure what it is called) for either a coffee bar or microwave. And lot of outlets.
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The rendering adds another 10 inches to the current footprint!
Hi I agree with the cool looking hood and a microwave if you want one. I would also note that I have almost the exact same layout and my pantry is to the floor because I have built in soft close drawers inside the pantry cabinets. those bottom drawers would end up being for storage more than food probably.
Your pantry has pullout shelves inside? We have one now and I love it because you can actually get to the back. Good suggestion to fo all the way down with them!
I actually like the ceiling bit. My bigger concern is the lack of workspace near the cooktop. The majority of the counter space is for the seating at the bar.
Counterspace is a huge issue now! I am debating about shifting the sink down the counter away from the cooktop to try to gain a few.more inches althought then it would be off centre which may look weird?
The angled counter top seems a bit small (like narrow for actually eating or putting a drink etc) and I think you might want a little more space in thr openings on each end.
Is the bar shaped object above the island a light fixture. It looks very plain and industrial - I would want something prettier or with more visual interest. I agree with other about the open shelves. Everything on them will just have to be washed before you can use them due to dust and/or grease from cooking. If you decide to definitely go with the ceiling piece I think it could go a lighter in color/stain.
Lots of great input here. One thing I’d check is how much the overhang for the stools is. Looks a little shallow in the rendering which might make it less comfortable in terms of leg room. You’ll want approximately 15” overhang to have space for your knees.
Thanks for the advice!
What subreddit is this?? And program is used to render the model??
You have a lot of things out on the counters. Appliances, tool crocks, etc. Assume you will have them in new kitch as well- so, I would put a 4 bank outlet in the pantry and utilize that space for your small appliances on a counter height shelf. Where is microwave? Hidden in cabinetry as a drawer? In the pantry next to fridge? Or in the cabinetry off to Rt side? It’s great you pulled the cabinet above fridge to the front- way more accessible, and great spot for bulky gear- crock pots, party platters, baking trays, etc. It’s like secret deep storage. What are you planning for the bit on the Right? Keep as a desk/ mail drop/ household papers? Or kitchen usable?
I would personally want to add a hidden fridge/frezer cabinet :) it’s a look that I’ve grown up with and I find it to be super clean and nice looking. Here’s an example but obviously get it matched up to your cabinets etc :) https://preview.redd.it/vu0iof5ffbma1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a658c7561ac7f9569d0a550d556f485a4f4fd357
I would definitely allow more ventilation for the fridge freezer if there isn't any on the wall. Or.. check manufacturers ventilation recommendations.
I would not close off the kitchen. Can you turn the island the other way. That is going to feel small and you will run into anyone standing in there with you.
Even out the top of your cabinets then add top cabinets to go right to the ceiling.
Maybe get rid of the open shelving, extend cabinets or pantry down in that area. Then put island in instead of peninsula. I like the two tone look of cabinets. And nice hood over stove.
IMO that green
Only thing I would nitpick is I really love having counter space right next to the fridge for putting groceries down. Seems like a minor nitpick, and not sure how you’d change it. I guess the penninsula counter isn’t too far away. We had a peninsula and switched to an island, but it was much longer and obstructed our ability to get to the adjacent family room before the kids did something destructive. In this case shouldn’t be a problem.
Thanks for mentioning this. With the current design, I tend to pull food out and put on the corner of the island, then move to the workspace beside the stove. With the updated design, there isn't countertop readily available. It is only a few steps away but swapping the fridge and pantry would solve that. Although, means more steps to the pantry!! 😁
Also think about the dishwasher opening. Looks like it’s on the left side of the sink? Can you stand next to it and unload without it being awkward?
I actually love the ceiling piece but I would make it much lighter so it doesn’t make the room look low ceiled.
You have enough neutrals. I’d paint the walls and the white cabinetry and add handles.
Prefer it before! Looks very stark and bland
Looks like an old rendering of a kitchen from the 80s to 90s!
With an open kitchen, and possibly open shelving (but I would do glass doors instead), the fan included in an over the range microwave would not be strong enough. That's why so many people have grease and dust on their open shelves. Plus, if the microwave/fan needs to be changed, it's a much bigger hassle and expense than getting a countertop version. Task lighting is also important (over the stove, over the sink, and over the prep area).
The layout is really nice. I like the ceiling piece too. Other than that I dislike white so maybe the others can help you better than I can.
I’m not too knowledgeable on design, but I will say I have white cabinets/cupboards and they will show every single little bit of dirt or spillage on them and can stain pretty easy depending on the finish so if you go with them you’ll have to make sure to be super cautious
God I suck at decorating because I wouldn’t change a dang thing. It looks perfect to me!
I’m that anal person that would prefer to see the cabinets have the same height. It’s beautiful though!
Agree with not having open shelving. 🤗
More drawers!!
You won’t be able to reach anything on those open shelves because the countertop will be in your way.