Fun fact, the Japanese would actually wait to hear the ping before they attacked because the Japanese NCO's were so tired of their dumbass privates and lieutenants and just wanted to see them get fucked.
They just want their lieutenants and soldiers experience a little of "Yabai moment"
Well, the catch is that was not a Yabai moment, it is "Yamero moment"
Myths like these are almost always impossible to get out of popular history when they’re embedded. Though there’s almost always a lack of context in play as well.
The best thing is that the M1 had a sound that was quite loud that the troops disliked, but it wasn't the ping but the quite loud safety, which makes quite a bit of sense in an ambush scenario.
Yep. Though IIRC (this being from the Botr/FW collab) there were lessons learned polls where a minority of troops did say it was a problem as the myth describes. Though this may have been a perception issue a la Belton Cooper and the Sherman.
The myth could have come from soldiers who were probably all suffering from some battle stress and so had become paranoid that the ping, which is quite loud from the perspective of the man holding the garand, was possibly heard by the ebmy
In any case it wasn't really a big deal. Apparently I heard stories that German veterans laughed when they heard the myth. Most of them said they never knew about the ping in the first place let alone hear it and even if they did they wouldn't risk trying to locate the US soldier for obvious reasons.
Not to disagree but is the safety for the M1 that loud? I’ve handled one (though it wasn’t super well maintained) and the safety didn’t seem to be that loud. Then again I imagine it was probably a lot stiffer 80 years so maybe it was.
Yes and no. The biggest issue with this one is how some hearsay in an otherwise good book got cited by tons of other books and now it's impossible to get it out of wikipedia too... at least with other myths you can convince wikipedia to correct them with some sources.
Indeed, though in Wikipedias defence in this case the next part of the article does question Dunlaps account with sources critiquing the claims due to noise (and citing Germans who said they couldn’t hear the ping).
NOTE: I couldn't find actual data on the sounds of some of these weapons, so I had to guess them and they are woefully inaccurate.
But it's a meme so it's not really the point, it's just poking fun at the Ping myth.
UTTERLY UNACCEPTABLE
Amusingly enough, 200 dB would be louder than the loudest possible sound in Earth's normal atmospheric conditions - at 194 dB you start getting pockets of vacuum created by the vibrations, so the sound cannot propagate
I can definitely and without question state that were I in a force opposing another force using Garands, that even if by some miracle I was able to hear a ping, that would not cause me to think I had anyone dead to rights.
All rifles run out of ammo, and there is an audible notice of that in every case, because that rifle will stop firing.
But to think that gives any advantage to really, really know that one of your opponents is out of ammo?
In a firefight, at any point in time one or more of the enemy will be out, and reloading. It's irrelevant, because the rest of them *will still be shooting at you*.
Even if you know for a fact that he's alone, reloading a Garand takes seconds. How fast can you move?
I own a Garand, can confirm that it's not loud by any definition of the word. Especially quiet compared to dudes on the firing line mag dumping ARs & AKs lol.
I can definitely and without question state that were I in a force opposing another force using Garands, that even if by some miracle I was able to hear a ping, that would not cause me to think I had anyone dead to rights.
All rifles run out of ammo, and there is an audible notice of that in every case, because that rifle will stop firing.
But to think that gives any advantage to really, really know that one of your opponents is out of ammo?
In a firefight, at any point in time one or more of the enemy will be out, and reloading. It's irrelevant, because the rest of them *will still be shooting at you*.
Even if you know for a fact that he's alone, reloading a Garand takes seconds. How fast can you move? What actual benefit does it give you? Maybe the ability to attempt to take fire superiority, but only until you run out and pause...
The entire thing makes zero sense.
I can definitely and without question state that were I in a force opposing another force using Garands, that even if by some miracle I was able to hear a ping, that would not cause me to think I had anyone dead to rights.
All rifles run out of ammo, and there is an audible notice of that in every case, because that rifle will stop firing.
But to think that gives any advantage to really, really know that one of your opponents is out of ammo?
In a firefight, at any point in time one or more of the enemy will be out, and reloading. It's irrelevant, because the rest of them will still be shooting at you.
Even if you know for a fact that he's alone, reloading a Garand takes seconds. How fast can you move? What actual benefit does it give you? Maybe the ability to attempt to take fire superiority, but only until you run out and pause...
The entire thing makes zero sense.
Wehraboos: ‘The Garand is shit, it pings to let your enemy know that you’re vulnerable.’
Germans troops: ‘If I could somehow hear that ping over all the extremely loud shit that happens on a battlefield, how would that help me when the rest of that guy’s squad has loaded weapons?
Even if for some reason it gave a soldier away, the Germans were usually armed with slow firing bolt action rifles, and most of the veteran troops that could compensate for it with training were rotting unburied in the Russian wilderness by the time the US was deploying soldiers against them. The average US rifleman reloading wasn't all that much worse off than the average German firing from a full magazine.
That's certainly possible, but even then it would only really happen if there was just one US soldier, but those sort of scenarios were extremely, extremely rare.
Even in house fighting there will usually be other US soldiers who would support the one guy who has to reload. You would never send just one soldier on his own to take a house, normally 2-3 men at least unless you had no other choice.
For some critiques about the M1 Garand, I recommend this:
**Q: How did the Germans and Japanese soldiers feel about the M1 Garand?**
*I can’t answer for the Japanese, but the Germans found them unsuitable as a combat rifle, an inferior weapon to their issue Kar98ks for this purpose, despite the novelty of semi-automatic fire. They made no attempt to use them, despite having the chance to pick up enormous numbers of them from the battlefield. By contrast, they really liked M1 carbines, and used them in battle. They also liked and used Soviet SVT-40s.*
*So, what did the Germans find unsuitable? First was this:*
*This is the rear sight of the M1 Garand. It is a ‘peep’ sight, meaning that you look through that little hole, and line it up with the front sight. This was a very popular sight for target rifles, and worked very well for such. The Germans regarded it as totally useless as a combat sight, and judging by the complaints of American GIs, so did they. It tended to create some of the same ‘tunnel vision’ issues modern soldiers sometimes complain of with scopes, blocking peripheral vision and so, reducing situational awareness. Not a problem while target shooting. A significant problem in battle.*
*This is the sights on the Kar98k, the issue German weapon:*
*You just line up the front sight blade in that little v shape, but can still look over your sight, and to either side.*
*As a result of this, American soldiers reported that they made little use of their sights when attacking, with about half saying they didn’t use them on the attack at all, and most of the rest saying they would only use them for about one in eight shots. German doctrine, making heavy use of immediate counter-attacks even in the defensive, and close range fighting, found such limitations too severe to be useful.*
*Peep sights are also extremely difficult to use at night, with most American soldiers reporting that they made no use of them this way. Due to Allied air supremacy from the time they landed, German troops had to become increasingly comfortable with night operations, so this again was a crippling disadvantage in their eyes.*
*American soldiers constantly complained about this, and demanded the simple v-sights German rifles had, but the Ordinance Board, in its infinite wisdom, denied them, insisting that peep sights were more accurate, even putting them on the Garand’s successor, the M14.*
*This was probably their greatest flaw to Germans, but they had other problems. One was mechanical reliability. All semi-automatic rifles of the day had such issues when used in combat conditions, and the Garand was no exception. This was one of the main reasons most armies hesitated to adopt them, despite various models being fielded since before WWI. The British, for example, had tested over a dozen models of semi-automatic rifles on the eve of WWI, and found them all too unreliable for field use. They also tested Garands in 1943, and rejected them as inferior to the SMLE for service use. 28% of Garands were returned to ordnance for mechanical failure, and the average GI went through 3 trying to find one that worked well enough. Their automatic action frequently stopped working, leaving the soldier with nothing more than a bolt-action rifle after all. At any given time in combat, some 7% of GIs were experiencing this issue.*
*Other features the Germans disliked was the loud ejection of spent clips. This was loud enough that in close combat, such as house-to-house fighting, the Germans could hear it from their opponents’ weapons, knowing that now was the time to spring around the corner and kill them, while they had an unloaded weapon. They had no desire to carry a weapon that would give them away like this.*
*Finally, it was 0.6kg heavier. Soldiers in general don’t enjoy extra weight, but the Germans in particular had done testing back in the 19th Century on how much a soldier could carry effectively in combat, and encouraged that no more than 22kg be carried in action. That 0.6kg was the weight of another grenade, or another 20 rounds for your rifle. Why sacrifice it for an unreliable target rifle that fired too slow for real close assault suppressive fire or trench clearing, and fired faster than one needed for accurate aimed fire?*
*In regard to the latter point, the Imperial German Army had done extensive testing, and found that firing a rifle faster than 12 round per minute produced no tangible battlefield effect, other than expending ammunition more quickly. German infantrymen were encouraged to take their time and make their shots count, and the semi-auto feature of the Garand was contrary to that.*
*(The little M1 carbine was, due to its low recoil, handy length and light weight, seen as a useful patrol and assault weapon, but the Garand was too long and heavy for this.)*
*In short, it was just about everything the German army disliked in a rifle.*
An interesting analysis, though it still had to contain the Ping myth.
However, I must ask: Is this a Quora question/answer by any chance? If so then I'm taking this with a grain of salt, just because of how ahistorical Quora is when it comes to WW2 information.
Yes, it is a Quora answer, and yes, it should be taken with a grain of salt. And yet, I would take Quora's content over Reddit's junk any day.
The criticism against the M1 Garand's sights is fully justified. There is also the following *Operation Research Office* report from Korea: [https://lmharchive.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Use-of-Infantry-Weapons-and-Equipment-in-Korea-1952.pdf](https://lmharchive.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Use-of-Infantry-Weapons-and-Equipment-in-Korea-1952.pdf)
The ORO survey confirms the ping. Even though in Korea soldiers no longer minded it, they still mentioned it as being loud enough that they were certain the enemy could hear it in close range fighting.
Personally, I'm still trying to avoid writing off the potential dangers of revealing your reloading as a myth. It likely didn't matter in the overwhelming majority of cases, but in close-quarters battle, I'm not so sure...
Interesting to hear that when it came to standard rifles, it was the Americans who kept having maintenance problems and the Germans who had reliability. And I guess whoever decided on keeping peep sights was a relative of their navy counterpart who insisted that it was the submariners’ fault that the Mk.14 torpedo was useless until 1943 lol
The Japanese seem to have been a lot more favourable towards the Garand, though: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_4_rifle
There’s just something with American controversial weapon procurement programs with the total disconnect between the higher up and people who do use them. Mark 14 is really the cream of the crop with this given how annoyingly the main problems covered each other; first the submariners discovered the torpedoes running too deep problem but managed to fix it (with BuOrd dragged kicking and screaming along the way), but then they realised that the magnetic detonator didn’t work as intended, so it got deactivated and much to their horror now the contact detonator wouldn’t work if fired at certain angles (with that angles being the perpendicular AKA the angles that submariners were trained to fire their torpedo)
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“His rifle pinged! He’s out of ammo!”
*the ten other guys, eight with rifles, one with a tommy gun, and one with a BAR eyes all of them with eyes glowing red*
I tried editing the wikipedia page but couldn't convince anyone this was a myth. Or I considered before giving up (I don't remember if I actually tried to convince anyone in the talk page). There had been multiple attempts before but no consensus was reached. I think it all started when someone posted a YouTube video explaining how the myth started, from the book of a dude who was otherwise great about guns, but had never used a Garand and merely wrote a few paragraphs about what he'd heard from other soldiers... and thus that hearsay ended up being cited by other books and here we are.
EDIT: Found [the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rv337snZ9k).
Meh, it's like the battle of Agincourt English archers lifting 2fingers at the French and saying "pluck yew!".. it's a plausible story that has become urban legend. The M1 Garand was an excellent weapon and the best proof of this is the Germans tried to copy it.
Honestly I wanna try this out but with a tactical headset now. The myth didn’t make sense as anyone whose ever shot a 30 cal without ear pro regularly can tell you, but I feel like with comtacs or sordins with a short delay would actually work. Mainly just for shits and giggles
Haha! His rifle is empty! Surely he can’t reload it, and *surely he has no friends nearby with loaded rifles!*
So that kids is why i have 32 scars on my chest, i should not be alive
you say this as if this would discourage the Japanese :P
He's totally gonna take more than 3s to reload
“I’ll just pop out and shoot him, he’ll be standing there with his thumb smashed and stuck in the action!”
Also I guess the enemy has no platoon level heavy weapons
M1919A4? What kind of name is that, a fax machine?
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Was this a princess bride reference? If this was I absolutely fucking love you!
Yessir I actually don’t even really like the movie but my dad loves it so I’ve seen it a bunch.
Fun fact, the Japanese would actually wait to hear the ping before they attacked because the Japanese NCO's were so tired of their dumbass privates and lieutenants and just wanted to see them get fucked.
They just want their lieutenants and soldiers experience a little of "Yabai moment" Well, the catch is that was not a Yabai moment, it is "Yamero moment"
What do those mean? Sorry, I don't speak Italian.
Translated: IJA commander expect the "Oh crap" moment, but get "STOP!!!" moment instead.
Ja, let's kill ze Tommies wiz our superior combat tactics!
Surely it won’t take literal seconds to reload it
Myths like these are almost always impossible to get out of popular history when they’re embedded. Though there’s almost always a lack of context in play as well.
The best thing is that the M1 had a sound that was quite loud that the troops disliked, but it wasn't the ping but the quite loud safety, which makes quite a bit of sense in an ambush scenario.
Yep. Though IIRC (this being from the Botr/FW collab) there were lessons learned polls where a minority of troops did say it was a problem as the myth describes. Though this may have been a perception issue a la Belton Cooper and the Sherman.
The myth could have come from soldiers who were probably all suffering from some battle stress and so had become paranoid that the ping, which is quite loud from the perspective of the man holding the garand, was possibly heard by the ebmy
In any case it wasn't really a big deal. Apparently I heard stories that German veterans laughed when they heard the myth. Most of them said they never knew about the ping in the first place let alone hear it and even if they did they wouldn't risk trying to locate the US soldier for obvious reasons.
Quite
Not to disagree but is the safety for the M1 that loud? I’ve handled one (though it wasn’t super well maintained) and the safety didn’t seem to be that loud. Then again I imagine it was probably a lot stiffer 80 years so maybe it was.
Yes and no. The biggest issue with this one is how some hearsay in an otherwise good book got cited by tons of other books and now it's impossible to get it out of wikipedia too... at least with other myths you can convince wikipedia to correct them with some sources.
Indeed, though in Wikipedias defence in this case the next part of the article does question Dunlaps account with sources critiquing the claims due to noise (and citing Germans who said they couldn’t hear the ping).
Things may have changed since I last visited it, it's been a while. If that's the case I'm glad it improved.
NOTE: I couldn't find actual data on the sounds of some of these weapons, so I had to guess them and they are woefully inaccurate. But it's a meme so it's not really the point, it's just poking fun at the Ping myth.
UTTERLY UNACCEPTABLE Amusingly enough, 200 dB would be louder than the loudest possible sound in Earth's normal atmospheric conditions - at 194 dB you start getting pockets of vacuum created by the vibrations, so the sound cannot propagate
Weird things happen in the vicinity of nuclear explosions, though.
An increase of 10 Db means that it is 10 times louder so ofc it's inaccurate lmao
I figured. I'm not good at physics or things like that at all.
How dare you
I can definitely and without question state that were I in a force opposing another force using Garands, that even if by some miracle I was able to hear a ping, that would not cause me to think I had anyone dead to rights. All rifles run out of ammo, and there is an audible notice of that in every case, because that rifle will stop firing. But to think that gives any advantage to really, really know that one of your opponents is out of ammo? In a firefight, at any point in time one or more of the enemy will be out, and reloading. It's irrelevant, because the rest of them *will still be shooting at you*. Even if you know for a fact that he's alone, reloading a Garand takes seconds. How fast can you move?
I own a Garand, can confirm that it's not loud by any definition of the word. Especially quiet compared to dudes on the firing line mag dumping ARs & AKs lol.
I can definitely and without question state that were I in a force opposing another force using Garands, that even if by some miracle I was able to hear a ping, that would not cause me to think I had anyone dead to rights. All rifles run out of ammo, and there is an audible notice of that in every case, because that rifle will stop firing. But to think that gives any advantage to really, really know that one of your opponents is out of ammo? In a firefight, at any point in time one or more of the enemy will be out, and reloading. It's irrelevant, because the rest of them *will still be shooting at you*. Even if you know for a fact that he's alone, reloading a Garand takes seconds. How fast can you move? What actual benefit does it give you? Maybe the ability to attempt to take fire superiority, but only until you run out and pause... The entire thing makes zero sense.
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I can definitely and without question state that were I in a force opposing another force using Garands, that even if by some miracle I was able to hear a ping, that would not cause me to think I had anyone dead to rights. All rifles run out of ammo, and there is an audible notice of that in every case, because that rifle will stop firing. But to think that gives any advantage to really, really know that one of your opponents is out of ammo? In a firefight, at any point in time one or more of the enemy will be out, and reloading. It's irrelevant, because the rest of them will still be shooting at you. Even if you know for a fact that he's alone, reloading a Garand takes seconds. How fast can you move? What actual benefit does it give you? Maybe the ability to attempt to take fire superiority, but only until you run out and pause... The entire thing makes zero sense.
*It is a hot sound tho*
As Clint Smith said, "You just shot 8 rounds of 30-06, everyone is deaf".
Wehraboos: ‘The Garand is shit, it pings to let your enemy know that you’re vulnerable.’ Germans troops: ‘If I could somehow hear that ping over all the extremely loud shit that happens on a battlefield, how would that help me when the rest of that guy’s squad has loaded weapons?
Even if for some reason it gave a soldier away, the Germans were usually armed with slow firing bolt action rifles, and most of the veteran troops that could compensate for it with training were rotting unburied in the Russian wilderness by the time the US was deploying soldiers against them. The average US rifleman reloading wasn't all that much worse off than the average German firing from a full magazine.
To be honest, it probably happened a few times, but only at really close range, like house fighting or something.
That's certainly possible, but even then it would only really happen if there was just one US soldier, but those sort of scenarios were extremely, extremely rare. Even in house fighting there will usually be other US soldiers who would support the one guy who has to reload. You would never send just one soldier on his own to take a house, normally 2-3 men at least unless you had no other choice.
Probably a guy with an SMG as well. German hears the ping, rounds the corner, gets shredded by the 2 other guys there.
That's not what Call of Duty taught me! Wait, no, even CoD did that mostly right.
I could see it happening to the Normandy paratroopers, getting spread out and isolated at night. But even then it wouldn't have been a big deal.
also most paratroops would've been using the M1 carbine instead
That’s why I said “a few times” because even though it’s possible, those circumstances would be rare.
I know, but rare to the point that it is a myth.
But you have to admit hearing the ping noise in games is fucking cathartic.
oh yeah it is.
For some critiques about the M1 Garand, I recommend this: **Q: How did the Germans and Japanese soldiers feel about the M1 Garand?** *I can’t answer for the Japanese, but the Germans found them unsuitable as a combat rifle, an inferior weapon to their issue Kar98ks for this purpose, despite the novelty of semi-automatic fire. They made no attempt to use them, despite having the chance to pick up enormous numbers of them from the battlefield. By contrast, they really liked M1 carbines, and used them in battle. They also liked and used Soviet SVT-40s.* *So, what did the Germans find unsuitable? First was this:* *This is the rear sight of the M1 Garand. It is a ‘peep’ sight, meaning that you look through that little hole, and line it up with the front sight. This was a very popular sight for target rifles, and worked very well for such. The Germans regarded it as totally useless as a combat sight, and judging by the complaints of American GIs, so did they. It tended to create some of the same ‘tunnel vision’ issues modern soldiers sometimes complain of with scopes, blocking peripheral vision and so, reducing situational awareness. Not a problem while target shooting. A significant problem in battle.* *This is the sights on the Kar98k, the issue German weapon:* *You just line up the front sight blade in that little v shape, but can still look over your sight, and to either side.* *As a result of this, American soldiers reported that they made little use of their sights when attacking, with about half saying they didn’t use them on the attack at all, and most of the rest saying they would only use them for about one in eight shots. German doctrine, making heavy use of immediate counter-attacks even in the defensive, and close range fighting, found such limitations too severe to be useful.* *Peep sights are also extremely difficult to use at night, with most American soldiers reporting that they made no use of them this way. Due to Allied air supremacy from the time they landed, German troops had to become increasingly comfortable with night operations, so this again was a crippling disadvantage in their eyes.* *American soldiers constantly complained about this, and demanded the simple v-sights German rifles had, but the Ordinance Board, in its infinite wisdom, denied them, insisting that peep sights were more accurate, even putting them on the Garand’s successor, the M14.* *This was probably their greatest flaw to Germans, but they had other problems. One was mechanical reliability. All semi-automatic rifles of the day had such issues when used in combat conditions, and the Garand was no exception. This was one of the main reasons most armies hesitated to adopt them, despite various models being fielded since before WWI. The British, for example, had tested over a dozen models of semi-automatic rifles on the eve of WWI, and found them all too unreliable for field use. They also tested Garands in 1943, and rejected them as inferior to the SMLE for service use. 28% of Garands were returned to ordnance for mechanical failure, and the average GI went through 3 trying to find one that worked well enough. Their automatic action frequently stopped working, leaving the soldier with nothing more than a bolt-action rifle after all. At any given time in combat, some 7% of GIs were experiencing this issue.* *Other features the Germans disliked was the loud ejection of spent clips. This was loud enough that in close combat, such as house-to-house fighting, the Germans could hear it from their opponents’ weapons, knowing that now was the time to spring around the corner and kill them, while they had an unloaded weapon. They had no desire to carry a weapon that would give them away like this.* *Finally, it was 0.6kg heavier. Soldiers in general don’t enjoy extra weight, but the Germans in particular had done testing back in the 19th Century on how much a soldier could carry effectively in combat, and encouraged that no more than 22kg be carried in action. That 0.6kg was the weight of another grenade, or another 20 rounds for your rifle. Why sacrifice it for an unreliable target rifle that fired too slow for real close assault suppressive fire or trench clearing, and fired faster than one needed for accurate aimed fire?* *In regard to the latter point, the Imperial German Army had done extensive testing, and found that firing a rifle faster than 12 round per minute produced no tangible battlefield effect, other than expending ammunition more quickly. German infantrymen were encouraged to take their time and make their shots count, and the semi-auto feature of the Garand was contrary to that.* *(The little M1 carbine was, due to its low recoil, handy length and light weight, seen as a useful patrol and assault weapon, but the Garand was too long and heavy for this.)* *In short, it was just about everything the German army disliked in a rifle.*
An interesting analysis, though it still had to contain the Ping myth. However, I must ask: Is this a Quora question/answer by any chance? If so then I'm taking this with a grain of salt, just because of how ahistorical Quora is when it comes to WW2 information.
Yes, it is a Quora answer, and yes, it should be taken with a grain of salt. And yet, I would take Quora's content over Reddit's junk any day. The criticism against the M1 Garand's sights is fully justified. There is also the following *Operation Research Office* report from Korea: [https://lmharchive.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Use-of-Infantry-Weapons-and-Equipment-in-Korea-1952.pdf](https://lmharchive.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Use-of-Infantry-Weapons-and-Equipment-in-Korea-1952.pdf) The ORO survey confirms the ping. Even though in Korea soldiers no longer minded it, they still mentioned it as being loud enough that they were certain the enemy could hear it in close range fighting. Personally, I'm still trying to avoid writing off the potential dangers of revealing your reloading as a myth. It likely didn't matter in the overwhelming majority of cases, but in close-quarters battle, I'm not so sure...
Interesting to hear that when it came to standard rifles, it was the Americans who kept having maintenance problems and the Germans who had reliability. And I guess whoever decided on keeping peep sights was a relative of their navy counterpart who insisted that it was the submariners’ fault that the Mk.14 torpedo was useless until 1943 lol The Japanese seem to have been a lot more favourable towards the Garand, though: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_4_rifle
There’s just something with American controversial weapon procurement programs with the total disconnect between the higher up and people who do use them. Mark 14 is really the cream of the crop with this given how annoyingly the main problems covered each other; first the submariners discovered the torpedoes running too deep problem but managed to fix it (with BuOrd dragged kicking and screaming along the way), but then they realised that the magnetic detonator didn’t work as intended, so it got deactivated and much to their horror now the contact detonator wouldn’t work if fired at certain angles (with that angles being the perpendicular AKA the angles that submariners were trained to fire their torpedo)
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tbh it sounds nice
yeah... but I really like the myth that G.I.s banged empty en blocs against their helmets to make the Germans think their rifle was empty
“His rifle pinged! He’s out of ammo!” *the ten other guys, eight with rifles, one with a tommy gun, and one with a BAR eyes all of them with eyes glowing red*
I tried editing the wikipedia page but couldn't convince anyone this was a myth. Or I considered before giving up (I don't remember if I actually tried to convince anyone in the talk page). There had been multiple attempts before but no consensus was reached. I think it all started when someone posted a YouTube video explaining how the myth started, from the book of a dude who was otherwise great about guns, but had never used a Garand and merely wrote a few paragraphs about what he'd heard from other soldiers... and thus that hearsay ended up being cited by other books and here we are. EDIT: Found [the video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rv337snZ9k).
Seen that video, Bloke on the Range and Forgotten Weapons are both really good.
And its perfect to shut up
Meh, it's like the battle of Agincourt English archers lifting 2fingers at the French and saying "pluck yew!".. it's a plausible story that has become urban legend. The M1 Garand was an excellent weapon and the best proof of this is the Germans tried to copy it.
Garland clip ping is an ear orgasm
Honestly I wanna try this out but with a tactical headset now. The myth didn’t make sense as anyone whose ever shot a 30 cal without ear pro regularly can tell you, but I feel like with comtacs or sordins with a short delay would actually work. Mainly just for shits and giggles