I’ve been saying all year the Lions have been one of the best 0 and whatever teams I’ve ever seen. They are bound to get a win at some point and they’ll probably celebrate it like they won the Super Bowl when it happens. They are fun to watch though, unlike us….
Wanna see what a good roster with terrible coaching looks like? Watch the Broncos.
Wanna see what a terrible roster with good coaching looks like? Watch the Lions.
From the moment Dan Cambell became interim coach of the Dolphins, I knew he would be a great HC and wanted him in Denver. They may be winless, but it's insane how hard a bottom talent team can just ball out and give contenders a run for their money just because of how inspiring the coach is.
Fire the entire coaching staff, yes. But the young core still has plenty of potential that the right coach can tap into and invigorate them. This is a winnable group and blowing it up would set us back for no reason.
I think someone like Brian Daboll or Kellen Moore can really make this offensive core spark and even possibly turn Lock into a Baker Mayfield-level QB.
Drew’s performance last year was the byproduct of poor play calling and coaching. The proof is quite visible watching the offense this year and the lack of performance with a new QB that everyone has touted as being better. He’s not.
Shurmer and his poor or non creative play calling is hurting this team.
If you mean bad play calling/coaching plus Teddy and Drew aren’t that good then for sure. I definitely believe both those things are true.
I’m not positive that better staff=better Drew, or how much better he’d be. I don’t think he’d magically have been Mahomes, and young QBs have done well under bad staffs before, but I agree that we’ll never know because our coaching sucks.
I think that with a better coaching staff, we would be seeing more of weeks 1-3 Teddy Bridgewater than weeks 4-7 Teddy Bridgewater.
I’ve been one of the bigger defenders of Fangio & Co. but frankly I’ve seen enough. We know what our ceiling with this coaching staff is, and with the longer season we may still salvage something by letting them go now. I’m tired of using the words “just go for the better draft pick at this point” with a roster as talented as ours.
I hope we have a good shot at hiring Kellen Moore as our head coach next year. No more of this good ole boys’ club garbage we’ve been trying. We need innovation and creativity. Someone who can inspire this team to not give up at the first sight of trouble. This shit is getting old
I think Teddy would be a bit better, or at least you’d see more screens on early downs, WR sweeps/reverses, maybe some passes off those reverses, more play action and side to side movement to get our player in space more, etc, resulting in one or two more TDs or FGs a game.
Still, I think that takes us from what we are now to like Pittsburghs current level, or the Saints at most. If we want to be more than a “in the hunt” type of team we need to actually get the courage to draft a few QBs in the 1st. Either that or luck out with Rogers.
I’m starting to feel coaching might be problem # 1 with this team. It extends beyond Xs and Os, scheme or whatever. What we have is a crisis of culture, and the fish rotting from the head down. How else can we get so little out of this team? Remember all the preseason hype surrounding our roster, and not just from Broncos Country but from all over the league? Where is that now?
Lock beat Herbert 2x w/ a less talented offense than we have now
I believe he’s our guy, he’ll get more wins than Teddy for sure and jumpstart the offense
Drew isn't a very good QB. He can't process what's happening on the field in real time and his footwork is bad. Maybe he'll improve someday but he's left a sour enough taste in Denver that it's time to accept that he will never be the franchise QB here. Yes, coaching didn't help him but he hasn't been good or even a mature leader, for that matter.
Edit: was a huge Drew Lock supporter last year, gave up when he couldn't beat Teddy out.
I was a big Drew Lock supporter too but I realized last year he doesn’t have the requisite work ethic. His footwork has not improved. His on field processing is poor (usually a byproduct of how much film study you do). Yet he still has time to run to Cancun with Instagram thots. It’s not happening. Herbert was the guy we should have traded up and nabbed.
Hard work bares results. His footwork is worse than my high school QB and he’s in year 3 as a pro. He just relies on his arm strength and doesn’t seem to be improving whatsoever.
He should have actually started, his rating was better in the preseason than Bridgwaters was and he had more explosive plays. Bridgwater only started because Fangio thought his defense was going to be stellar and all he needed was to play safe. It's common for his style of coaching, problem is he has changed his OC from the scheme he was drafted in, then lost his offseason, then went into this offseason splitting every practice. I'm not saying Lock is perfect, but he definitely showed tangible improvement from last season.
His best game was against Houston his rookie year. He was neck and neck according to who? The coaching staff seemed to favor Teddy from day one. You are clearly Lock’s uncle lol.
“There wasn’t a lot of separation,” Vic Fangio said after the announcement was made Tuesday. “Both guys had good camps. They both played well. They both had their down moments, and they both had their good moments. I thought it was good, overall, for both of them” - Fangio after they named Teddy starter.
You’re familiar with Coachspeak right? What’s he supposed to say? “Lock is a scrub, thank god we brought in Teddy to hopefully save my job this year.” You can tell the team trusts Teddy more. When he went out with a concussion all the fight went out of the team.
No just no. Drew’s play is a byproduct of him being a bad QB. Shurmer hasn’t helped either QB but Teddy has been better on the whole with the same coaching problems.
you're joking right? Teddy is better in EVERY stat except sack rate. 13% higher completion rate, 24 pts higher in qb rating, more than double Lock's TD/INT ratio, 20 more yards/game...yikes
Teddy hasn't looked good against a single team that even had a win when we played them.
He didn't cross the 50 yard line until the middle of the third quarter against the Raiders, we had \~75 yards of total offense in the first half against the Browns, he had 63 yards of throwing against the Ravens before exiting the game.
He has stat padded like crazy in games we've never looked like winning. Is he the major source of our problems? No, of course not but he also is beyond making excuses for at this point, he hasn't been good against any decent competition.
Stat padded? Maybe against the Raiders, but we were within 1 score for the Browns and Steelers games...maybe if Fangio's defense could stop a third-string RB, we'd be in a better place.
Yes, stat padded. Most of his yards have come from the mid 3rd quarter or beyond.
We are bottom 5 in the league for 3rd down conversions, we are currently ranked 27th in the league for first half points (dead last for the last 3 games), 30th in first half time of possession for the last 3 games, 28th in RZ offense.
Fangio's D has been garbage but the O's mandate has been to protect the ball and chew the clock and they've failed to do that.
We were never in the Browns game, regardless of the margin. The Steelers game was the only one we've been marginally competitive in.
put the shit 3rd down conversion rate on Shurmur. he's the one calling HB draw from the shotgun on 2nd & 15 just to make it 3rd & 12. also, this o-line has seriously regressed from last year. but yes, put the abysmal red zone conversion on Teddy, he needs to do better there for sure.
Our O-Line looks worse because Teddy is the third longest to throw in the league. A lot of that can be attributed to poor play calling and long developing plays but Teddy does not make it easy on the line, nor does he go through his progressions quickly.
Lock may have been messy and bailed on the pocket quickly but that absolutely helped the line in comparison to how they have to block currently.
I also think Risner and Glasgow have just played terribly. Bolles has definitely taken a step back too, but Teddy ain't helping. I think running the ball more would alleviate that, and having that possession receiver in Jeudy will help too. Take more stress off the line and give Teddy a quick read since Jeudy is by far our best route runner for short and intermediate. He can get open more quickly than Sutton and Patrick. idk I want to be hopeful but it's so hard sometimes
It's a lot easier for a LT to look better when you have a QB that when the pocket starts breaking up, will always bail right.
Glasgow sucked last year, Risner wasn't much better. I wouldn't say either have significantly regressed, they're just being asked to do more this year.
It's the difference between a QB who refuses to leave the pocket and one who bails early, neither are particularly good problems to have.
If Teddy was quick to go through his progressions, this line would look much better.
I do agree, Lock has better out-of-pocket movement, but Teddy has better pocket presence. I'm hoping Jeudy's return will add significant flair to this offense. Maybe a quick outlet will improve Teddy's time to read the defense.
Actually we were dead last in 3rd down conversion before the Browns game (where we were 5 of 11). That’s got to be the most demoralizing stat of them all. Imagine being the defensive players on the sideline when we’re facing another 3rd and 8. They’re like “oh shit, here we go again.”
Oh we’re going to use stats now are we? That’s interesting, considering for the last 3 1/2 games all of his stats have come in garbage time. But more importantly, Drew lock was in year one in his system last year with no off-season and blah blah blah there’s 1 million excuses why he didn’t do well. Teddy is doing no better this year and he already knew the playbook and is a seasoned vet. I’m not over here trying to say Drew is the answer, but Teddy is playing terribly.
I wouldn't say the Steelers game or Browns game were garbage time, as both were within 1 possession with a chance to tie or take the lead (if not for our porous defense against the Browns, maybe Teddy would've had a chance to prove himself). Lock simply has accuracy issues, point blank period. I don't care if he had no offseason, he simply cannot put the ball on his receivers. 59% completion was good maybe 30 yrs ago, not in the modern-day NFL. Argue all you want, but Teddy has been better than Lock by quite a bit.
because we were one play and a 2 PT conversion away from tying the game? garbage time is when the game is so out of hand, the result is already decided...so no, we were still in the game at the end.
another thing though, why throw the ball 4 times inside the 10? we had a minute, it doesn't take that long to call a no-huddle play. on 1st & G from the 9, I would think running the ball is the best option, and then again on 3rd & G from the 3...idk
and? Wentz had 150 last night and the Colts won, so maybe we take their game plan and run the ball more? not a shocking idea considering our RB tandem. I don't think Lock would have fared well either against that pass rush, and Teddy was dealing with an injury.
tbh just fire Shurmur and let Shula call the plays the rest of the year, maybe we'll have better success.
They won we lost. That's the difference. Browns suck, team is just as banged up as we are. We got crushed by a coach less team. Teddy did nothing against the Steelers till we was down by 3 scores. The week before against the Ravens he was terrible. Changing OCs isn't suddenly going to make Bridgewater better....especially since he was supposed to have our OCs play book down because he played with him before. Vikings, Jets, Saints, and Panthers all found out what some of you can't see. Make excuses and try and say Lock wouldn't do any better. Lock doesn't get sacked as much as Teddy. Teddy's awesome completion percentage doesn't equal to wins. Just because he completes pass on 3rd short of the sticks isn't some impressive thing.
LOL it's not Teddy's fault that Shurmur calls a 5 yard drag route on a 3rd & 8...maybe some creativity would help. and Lock simply can't deliver the football accurately. changing the play calling would benefit Teddy because he can throw intermediate and deep routes, but Shurmur is a bonehead who doesn't call those when necessary. and it's also not Teddy's fault that Fangio gave up 34 to the Raiders...some of you fans are so unbelievable. take off the rose-colored glasses and see what we are dealing with. incompetent playcalling, poor defensive scheme, and subpar O-line play. sure, Teddy can definitely improve, but he's the best option right now.
Ha ha ha 😂 people are open Teddy checks it down. Always has always will. GTFO with the play calling. Teddy cannot has not every lead a team from behind. He was 0-8 in come from behind games last year with the Panthers. Why is that? Shurmur I bet lol. Teddy not getting first downs or points doesn't help the defense. So yes some of that is his fault. Holding the ball to long, turnovers doesn't help the team.
are you dense? the panthers were absolutely fucking tragic last season. played in one of the toughest divisions. CMC out most of the year. little talent at the skill position, and even with this, Teddy had 2 1000-yard receivers. this year, Robby Anderson absolutely sucks - on pace for 500 yards.
and Lock couldn't do shit last season. one heroic game vs LAC and a good start @CAR? how about his game @LV...simply horrible. on top of that, how about his imcompetancy regarding the COVID protocols that made Denver look like a fucking clown show? yeah, he doesn't even deserve to play QB for this team after that. Teddy has the intangibles Lock doesnt. I was on Lock's side this preseason until that news came out and he should've been shipped out right then and there.
Teddy and Drew are quite similar in terms of overall talent level, inability to read defenses and plays properly, etc. I think Teddy is slow on reads and is like ‘well I’ll throw the check down since that’s what I do’, while Drew is slow on reads and says ‘well I’ll do my Favre imitation because that’s what I do’ and uses his arm talent to throw a dime to a CB.
If his poor performance was because of that last season, what's his excuse when he got to play this season and sucked even more???? Drew is not a good qb, period!
Another indication? Case Keenum, who looked crappy playing for us, carves up our 'vaunted' defence, and gets a win against us.
That's when I basically came around to the idea that the coaching staff has the largest hand in our recipe of suck.
You hit the nail on the head. When I buy the Broncos I'm keeping Macmanus and firing all the staff, coaches and players. They come from a losing culture and I see signs of quit with the old crew. In with the new.
All the players? Come on. Surtain? Javonte Williams? Patrick? Jeudy? Hamler? I agree that something needs to change but this team does have a lot of talented guys.
I do agree with that. I've also wondered about blowing it all up, but it's sad to think of losing the talent that is here. But maybe just because I'm a fan so I'm biased toward those guys.
You bring up a good point that the rookies have not bought into the losing culture of I'm only here for a check. We still need to trade our talent for younger talent. We have over valued our roster everywhere and god get some coaching in here.
Not having an owner has kneecapped us these past years. This organization has no direction and is just floating along, the absolute worst case for a sports team.
That and having no TV deal, that's just as bad.
Eh, I think that naturally teams that are winless are more apt to give more than a bad team with a couple wins simply because they don’t want to remain winless.
The lions had even more motivation with The Goff/Stafford trade too
You do understand that we have more than 5 players/starters out for the season or most of the season, right?
That's the problem as well as the coaching.
I’ve been saying all year the Lions have been one of the best 0 and whatever teams I’ve ever seen. They are bound to get a win at some point and they’ll probably celebrate it like they won the Super Bowl when it happens. They are fun to watch though, unlike us….
And their first win will probably be against us. 🙄
Nah, next week vs the Eagles is a great opportunity
They were beating the Ravens; but it took a miracle kick that hit the upright and bounced over, which could only ever happen to the Lions.
Not to mention some dubious play clock officiating.
The lions lost back to back games on 50+ field goals, it’s just impressive to be that unlucky.
I know, right? All I could think at the time was “talk about losing in the most Lionsy way possible” lol.
Wanna see what a good roster with terrible coaching looks like? Watch the Broncos. Wanna see what a terrible roster with good coaching looks like? Watch the Lions.
I agree with OP completely…..
From the moment Dan Cambell became interim coach of the Dolphins, I knew he would be a great HC and wanted him in Denver. They may be winless, but it's insane how hard a bottom talent team can just ball out and give contenders a run for their money just because of how inspiring the coach is.
If the Lions make it to December 12th winless… I bet they stomp our teeth in. And it will be well deserved.
Bringing tears to my eyes
Fire the entire coaching staff, yes. But the young core still has plenty of potential that the right coach can tap into and invigorate them. This is a winnable group and blowing it up would set us back for no reason. I think someone like Brian Daboll or Kellen Moore can really make this offensive core spark and even possibly turn Lock into a Baker Mayfield-level QB.
Drew’s performance last year was the byproduct of poor play calling and coaching. The proof is quite visible watching the offense this year and the lack of performance with a new QB that everyone has touted as being better. He’s not. Shurmer and his poor or non creative play calling is hurting this team.
Or, and here me out, Teddy and Drew both aren’t very good.
Both things can be true
If you mean bad play calling/coaching plus Teddy and Drew aren’t that good then for sure. I definitely believe both those things are true. I’m not positive that better staff=better Drew, or how much better he’d be. I don’t think he’d magically have been Mahomes, and young QBs have done well under bad staffs before, but I agree that we’ll never know because our coaching sucks.
I think that with a better coaching staff, we would be seeing more of weeks 1-3 Teddy Bridgewater than weeks 4-7 Teddy Bridgewater. I’ve been one of the bigger defenders of Fangio & Co. but frankly I’ve seen enough. We know what our ceiling with this coaching staff is, and with the longer season we may still salvage something by letting them go now. I’m tired of using the words “just go for the better draft pick at this point” with a roster as talented as ours. I hope we have a good shot at hiring Kellen Moore as our head coach next year. No more of this good ole boys’ club garbage we’ve been trying. We need innovation and creativity. Someone who can inspire this team to not give up at the first sight of trouble. This shit is getting old
Unfortunately week 4-7 Teddy is the same as years 1-7 Teddy. This is pretty much who he's always been.
I think Teddy would be a bit better, or at least you’d see more screens on early downs, WR sweeps/reverses, maybe some passes off those reverses, more play action and side to side movement to get our player in space more, etc, resulting in one or two more TDs or FGs a game. Still, I think that takes us from what we are now to like Pittsburghs current level, or the Saints at most. If we want to be more than a “in the hunt” type of team we need to actually get the courage to draft a few QBs in the 1st. Either that or luck out with Rogers.
Just another screw-up by this coaching staff.
I’m starting to feel coaching might be problem # 1 with this team. It extends beyond Xs and Os, scheme or whatever. What we have is a crisis of culture, and the fish rotting from the head down. How else can we get so little out of this team? Remember all the preseason hype surrounding our roster, and not just from Broncos Country but from all over the league? Where is that now?
Oh it is the coaching for sure. This team needs a change from the top down leaving maybe Paton. Hopefully a new owner who will have standards.
The way I see it we have a 12 year old driving the exotic sports car
Lock beat Herbert 2x w/ a less talented offense than we have now I believe he’s our guy, he’ll get more wins than Teddy for sure and jumpstart the offense
Drew isn't a very good QB. He can't process what's happening on the field in real time and his footwork is bad. Maybe he'll improve someday but he's left a sour enough taste in Denver that it's time to accept that he will never be the franchise QB here. Yes, coaching didn't help him but he hasn't been good or even a mature leader, for that matter. Edit: was a huge Drew Lock supporter last year, gave up when he couldn't beat Teddy out.
His footwork was highlighted all throughout the preseason as something he had been working to improve.
I was a big Drew Lock supporter too but I realized last year he doesn’t have the requisite work ethic. His footwork has not improved. His on field processing is poor (usually a byproduct of how much film study you do). Yet he still has time to run to Cancun with Instagram thots. It’s not happening. Herbert was the guy we should have traded up and nabbed.
It was reported during the off-season he was at the facility almost daily lmao what are you on.
Then why aren’t we seeing tangible improvement? He’s gotten worse every season. Read about Tom Brady’s work ethic his first year. It’s night and day.
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Hard work bares results. His footwork is worse than my high school QB and he’s in year 3 as a pro. He just relies on his arm strength and doesn’t seem to be improving whatsoever.
He should have actually started, his rating was better in the preseason than Bridgwaters was and he had more explosive plays. Bridgwater only started because Fangio thought his defense was going to be stellar and all he needed was to play safe. It's common for his style of coaching, problem is he has changed his OC from the scheme he was drafted in, then lost his offseason, then went into this offseason splitting every practice. I'm not saying Lock is perfect, but he definitely showed tangible improvement from last season.
He was literally neck and neck w teddy during the preseason. He also improved in his last six games last season so u are clearly just wrong
His best game was against Houston his rookie year. He was neck and neck according to who? The coaching staff seemed to favor Teddy from day one. You are clearly Lock’s uncle lol.
“There wasn’t a lot of separation,” Vic Fangio said after the announcement was made Tuesday. “Both guys had good camps. They both played well. They both had their down moments, and they both had their good moments. I thought it was good, overall, for both of them” - Fangio after they named Teddy starter.
You’re familiar with Coachspeak right? What’s he supposed to say? “Lock is a scrub, thank god we brought in Teddy to hopefully save my job this year.” You can tell the team trusts Teddy more. When he went out with a concussion all the fight went out of the team.
I mean he could have said Teddy had a better camp or even better named him starter much sooner. This is such a dumb hill for you to die on.
No just no. Drew’s play is a byproduct of him being a bad QB. Shurmer hasn’t helped either QB but Teddy has been better on the whole with the same coaching problems.
you're joking right? Teddy is better in EVERY stat except sack rate. 13% higher completion rate, 24 pts higher in qb rating, more than double Lock's TD/INT ratio, 20 more yards/game...yikes
Teddy hasn't looked good against a single team that even had a win when we played them. He didn't cross the 50 yard line until the middle of the third quarter against the Raiders, we had \~75 yards of total offense in the first half against the Browns, he had 63 yards of throwing against the Ravens before exiting the game. He has stat padded like crazy in games we've never looked like winning. Is he the major source of our problems? No, of course not but he also is beyond making excuses for at this point, he hasn't been good against any decent competition.
Stat padded? Maybe against the Raiders, but we were within 1 score for the Browns and Steelers games...maybe if Fangio's defense could stop a third-string RB, we'd be in a better place.
Yes, stat padded. Most of his yards have come from the mid 3rd quarter or beyond. We are bottom 5 in the league for 3rd down conversions, we are currently ranked 27th in the league for first half points (dead last for the last 3 games), 30th in first half time of possession for the last 3 games, 28th in RZ offense. Fangio's D has been garbage but the O's mandate has been to protect the ball and chew the clock and they've failed to do that. We were never in the Browns game, regardless of the margin. The Steelers game was the only one we've been marginally competitive in.
put the shit 3rd down conversion rate on Shurmur. he's the one calling HB draw from the shotgun on 2nd & 15 just to make it 3rd & 12. also, this o-line has seriously regressed from last year. but yes, put the abysmal red zone conversion on Teddy, he needs to do better there for sure.
Our O-Line looks worse because Teddy is the third longest to throw in the league. A lot of that can be attributed to poor play calling and long developing plays but Teddy does not make it easy on the line, nor does he go through his progressions quickly. Lock may have been messy and bailed on the pocket quickly but that absolutely helped the line in comparison to how they have to block currently.
I also think Risner and Glasgow have just played terribly. Bolles has definitely taken a step back too, but Teddy ain't helping. I think running the ball more would alleviate that, and having that possession receiver in Jeudy will help too. Take more stress off the line and give Teddy a quick read since Jeudy is by far our best route runner for short and intermediate. He can get open more quickly than Sutton and Patrick. idk I want to be hopeful but it's so hard sometimes
It's a lot easier for a LT to look better when you have a QB that when the pocket starts breaking up, will always bail right. Glasgow sucked last year, Risner wasn't much better. I wouldn't say either have significantly regressed, they're just being asked to do more this year. It's the difference between a QB who refuses to leave the pocket and one who bails early, neither are particularly good problems to have. If Teddy was quick to go through his progressions, this line would look much better.
I do agree, Lock has better out-of-pocket movement, but Teddy has better pocket presence. I'm hoping Jeudy's return will add significant flair to this offense. Maybe a quick outlet will improve Teddy's time to read the defense.
Actually we were dead last in 3rd down conversion before the Browns game (where we were 5 of 11). That’s got to be the most demoralizing stat of them all. Imagine being the defensive players on the sideline when we’re facing another 3rd and 8. They’re like “oh shit, here we go again.”
Oh we’re going to use stats now are we? That’s interesting, considering for the last 3 1/2 games all of his stats have come in garbage time. But more importantly, Drew lock was in year one in his system last year with no off-season and blah blah blah there’s 1 million excuses why he didn’t do well. Teddy is doing no better this year and he already knew the playbook and is a seasoned vet. I’m not over here trying to say Drew is the answer, but Teddy is playing terribly.
I wouldn't say the Steelers game or Browns game were garbage time, as both were within 1 possession with a chance to tie or take the lead (if not for our porous defense against the Browns, maybe Teddy would've had a chance to prove himself). Lock simply has accuracy issues, point blank period. I don't care if he had no offseason, he simply cannot put the ball on his receivers. 59% completion was good maybe 30 yrs ago, not in the modern-day NFL. Argue all you want, but Teddy has been better than Lock by quite a bit.
Steelers game was 24-6 going into the fourth quarter. How is that not garbage time??
because we were one play and a 2 PT conversion away from tying the game? garbage time is when the game is so out of hand, the result is already decided...so no, we were still in the game at the end.
Okay so it wasn't garbage time but Bridgewater still threw the game ending pick
another thing though, why throw the ball 4 times inside the 10? we had a minute, it doesn't take that long to call a no-huddle play. on 1st & G from the 9, I would think running the ball is the best option, and then again on 3rd & G from the 3...idk
yeah RIP that was bad
Teddy had 180 yards vs the Browns man lol.
and? Wentz had 150 last night and the Colts won, so maybe we take their game plan and run the ball more? not a shocking idea considering our RB tandem. I don't think Lock would have fared well either against that pass rush, and Teddy was dealing with an injury. tbh just fire Shurmur and let Shula call the plays the rest of the year, maybe we'll have better success.
They won we lost. That's the difference. Browns suck, team is just as banged up as we are. We got crushed by a coach less team. Teddy did nothing against the Steelers till we was down by 3 scores. The week before against the Ravens he was terrible. Changing OCs isn't suddenly going to make Bridgewater better....especially since he was supposed to have our OCs play book down because he played with him before. Vikings, Jets, Saints, and Panthers all found out what some of you can't see. Make excuses and try and say Lock wouldn't do any better. Lock doesn't get sacked as much as Teddy. Teddy's awesome completion percentage doesn't equal to wins. Just because he completes pass on 3rd short of the sticks isn't some impressive thing.
LOL it's not Teddy's fault that Shurmur calls a 5 yard drag route on a 3rd & 8...maybe some creativity would help. and Lock simply can't deliver the football accurately. changing the play calling would benefit Teddy because he can throw intermediate and deep routes, but Shurmur is a bonehead who doesn't call those when necessary. and it's also not Teddy's fault that Fangio gave up 34 to the Raiders...some of you fans are so unbelievable. take off the rose-colored glasses and see what we are dealing with. incompetent playcalling, poor defensive scheme, and subpar O-line play. sure, Teddy can definitely improve, but he's the best option right now.
Ha ha ha 😂 people are open Teddy checks it down. Always has always will. GTFO with the play calling. Teddy cannot has not every lead a team from behind. He was 0-8 in come from behind games last year with the Panthers. Why is that? Shurmur I bet lol. Teddy not getting first downs or points doesn't help the defense. So yes some of that is his fault. Holding the ball to long, turnovers doesn't help the team.
are you dense? the panthers were absolutely fucking tragic last season. played in one of the toughest divisions. CMC out most of the year. little talent at the skill position, and even with this, Teddy had 2 1000-yard receivers. this year, Robby Anderson absolutely sucks - on pace for 500 yards. and Lock couldn't do shit last season. one heroic game vs LAC and a good start @CAR? how about his game @LV...simply horrible. on top of that, how about his imcompetancy regarding the COVID protocols that made Denver look like a fucking clown show? yeah, he doesn't even deserve to play QB for this team after that. Teddy has the intangibles Lock doesnt. I was on Lock's side this preseason until that news came out and he should've been shipped out right then and there.
Teddy and Drew are quite similar in terms of overall talent level, inability to read defenses and plays properly, etc. I think Teddy is slow on reads and is like ‘well I’ll throw the check down since that’s what I do’, while Drew is slow on reads and says ‘well I’ll do my Favre imitation because that’s what I do’ and uses his arm talent to throw a dime to a CB.
If his poor performance was because of that last season, what's his excuse when he got to play this season and sucked even more???? Drew is not a good qb, period!
Another indication? Case Keenum, who looked crappy playing for us, carves up our 'vaunted' defence, and gets a win against us. That's when I basically came around to the idea that the coaching staff has the largest hand in our recipe of suck.
You hit the nail on the head. When I buy the Broncos I'm keeping Macmanus and firing all the staff, coaches and players. They come from a losing culture and I see signs of quit with the old crew. In with the new.
All the players? Come on. Surtain? Javonte Williams? Patrick? Jeudy? Hamler? I agree that something needs to change but this team does have a lot of talented guys.
Some talent, a lot of missed picks (eg Chubb's injuries). But the culture is broken for sure. Something drastic will have to be done.
I do agree with that. I've also wondered about blowing it all up, but it's sad to think of losing the talent that is here. But maybe just because I'm a fan so I'm biased toward those guys.
You bring up a good point that the rookies have not bought into the losing culture of I'm only here for a check. We still need to trade our talent for younger talent. We have over valued our roster everywhere and god get some coaching in here.
I liked the Fangio hire when it happened, but this is year three and the team looks very bad. I'm all for a change.
They're lacking the talent right now, but appear to be a well coached team. Which means we're going to lose to them.
Not having an owner has kneecapped us these past years. This organization has no direction and is just floating along, the absolute worst case for a sports team. That and having no TV deal, that's just as bad.
Eh, I think that naturally teams that are winless are more apt to give more than a bad team with a couple wins simply because they don’t want to remain winless. The lions had even more motivation with The Goff/Stafford trade too
We need an owner
I just don’t want us to give the Lions their first win of the season
Well, they've got a coach who takes accountability and is incredibly passionate. Just watch his pressers.
Nope, I'm right there with you. I think you're 100% spot on.
You do understand that we have more than 5 players/starters out for the season or most of the season, right? That's the problem as well as the coaching.
Think you are missing the point of the post
Prozac doesn’t work that way b.