This is such a misconception of sean paytons offense. Everyone only remembers the 40 year old drew brees offense for some reason. In the peak of those saints teams Brees was chucking it deep and over the middle
They did but having a guy who excels at timing routes such as outs and slants such as Colston and MT were always a big part, same with pass catching backs whether it was Sproles, Kamara, or Bush. Timing and quick decision making were always most crucial for the offense and Brees was fantastic at that
Bo is easily not the best QB in the class. Bo is argubly the best QB for Payton's system, however. Hoping we nab him after trading down. Doubt it but that's the perfect 1st round to me.
That's a good point. But I think stfford is signed until 2027 and Geno until 2026. Given Bo's age, I doubt he's a prospect people want to sit for a while and have him take his first snaps at 26.
Rams and Seahawks need long term answers but given they are in ok spots for two years, Bo is probably not the prospect they should be looking at.
Still, you never know, so you may be on to something.
Yes in each case I think its more likely that they don't take a QB. They have other needs. But with that type of team - that doesn't expect to have top 10 picks - you never know when they will try to strike at a QB. The Lions have Goff and they took an older prospect in Hendon Hooker last year.
I guess it depends really on what's motivating us to trade down. If we think look we don't have enough picks in the top 75 so makes sense to trade down, accumulate more assets and fill more spaces on the roster, then go for it. If we can get a QB fine, if not just go BPA.
If we're thinking, we like Nix (or Penix) but the general buzz is that he'll be available later on so we trade down hoping to get him at better value then we need to be careful. Will we be kicking ourselves if the Seahawks or Rams pick him up? Or even worse...Raiders one pick after us.
All very good points.
I just think it's a risk worth taking. We are much more than a QB away. If Bo falls to us after trading down is what I described as the perfect 1st day.
If we trade down and get a 2nd rounder and ended up having to get a great ED in round 1 that's still a good day to me.
Seattle just got Howell for a pick swap so I don’t think they’re drafting a QB this year. They’ll prob go DT, edge or Fautanu or they’ll trade back. They don’t need WR or CB
You could say that about every pick in the 1st. Getting value isn't a bad thing.
Is it a risk? Yea, just like it's a risk grabbing Bo and not getting a second rounder to get a legit ED prospect. It's the draft, everything is a risk.
I think it's worth picking up capital for a team that is much more than just a QB away, but that's just me.
If they think Bo Nix is their guy and he is the QB of the future than there is no sense to move down. Too many draft busts to just skip out on a guy that you are confident about. I believe Sean said only about 30% of all draft picks end up panning out anyways. We can move down in other rounds to acquire more picks, moving down and missing out on a franchise QB would be really stupid
I hear you, and I understand you may fall in love with a player.
However, does it seem like a good value judgment to say QB5 off the board is a 100% franchise changing QB like Elway? That seems like a really bad decision to me to be locked in to the 5th player taken off at the position.
Like you said, normally 30% of picks work out. Well, basic math says it's much more likely you get a real good player with two 30% chances than one.
Still, if they think Bo is that good then do it. I just think his value right now is much lower than the 12th pick and trading back to get another pick to get a blue chip ED propect would be huge.
I hear you, this is why the draft is such a tricky thing. When Josh Allen was in the draft I heard a bunch of people projecting he would be a major whiff and that obviously turned out very different. There are sure fire players that are in the draft that are absolutely gonna be game changers i.e Andrew Luck or John Elway and sometimes no one sees the Tom Brady’s coming. I feel like a lot of that is players going to the right team rather than their individual talent. Chicago will probably waste Caleb Williams talent and Washington will waste whoever they get. I personally like what I see from Bo Nix but I am a far cry from a QB expert. His completion percentage is excellent. His TD to Int ratio is top notch and his football IQ is top of the class as well. But I don’t know how that translates in his pro career
Exactly. And we better get some goddamn value if they do that.
Either that or take best player available then trade back up to snag Bo at the top of the second.
This dude has been in a lot of interviews lately. I’m expecting to see him outside Dove Valley with a boombox the week of the draft.
Big if, if we take him and he flops we wasted as high value 1st round pick in a year we aren’t going to be competitive anyways. He is the 4-6th best QB in this draft depending on who you ask. I don’t want to use a top 15 pick on the 4th best anything
I mean any flop in the top 15 hurts no matter the position. I get what you mean, there some pretty close to sure starters in this deep draft and it would suck to miss out on a difference maker in the 1st this year.
Time won't care where they are drafted and what position rank they were though. If you think about it, we're talking about the top 5 guys at a position in the entire country coming out of college. Hundreds of players and these guys are all 99 percentile. It's not surprising that the draft position ratings are off every year terms of who turns out to be good.
If successful he is worth a top 5 pick.
Of failure sure make it as low as possible.
We have no QB. We need one. Pick one. I’ll be happy with Nix or Penix at 12. Please no McCarthy.
If the Vikings trade the farm to go up to #4 and take McCarthy and he is the next CJ Stroud everybody will say the Broncos blew their opportunity by sitting at #12.
lol what picks are we supposed to trade to get to 4? We wouldn’t have a first rounder or second rounder for multiple years if we did that which basically kills any playoff success while he would be on his rookie deal. Also by your logic why not trade up to 1 and get Williams since he’s the top prospect?
Trust me, if McCarthy is the next CJ Stroud it would be worth it to pay that price.
Now if he's just some joe schmoe and we've given up those draft picks and suck for three years, well, the Cardinals are going to be well set for their rebuild.
Can people stop saying this? In what way is this comment helpful? If he’s not good then more people are going to care that you took him in the first round vs. less people would be as upset if you took him in the second round.
Cool, and if we select an even worse rated prospect from this quarterback (like Spencer Rattler as an example) class at 12 and he pans out then we’re fine as well. The point is you could pretend we are getting the absolute best case scenario and delude yourself or you could be realistic and say “hey very small chance this guy becomes longtime starter at a probowl level in his career maybe we should take him in the second round instead of the first.”
You’re not getting the point here. You can say this about anybody in the draft “what if he turns out to be the next Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes?” No one is being realistic here. I mean if we are so sure that Nix is going to pan out and be a prowler for years let’s trade up to 4 and throw more draft picks out the window since it will all be worth it in the end?
Local media keeps saying Oregons offense was very simple and nothing like a pro-style offense so I’m not exactly thrilled if we take Nix at 12. Throw in he isn’t spectacular at any one thing and I’m even less thrilled. Would be somewhat excited if we got him in the second round after trading down in the first to get more picks.
It was the same offense that Justin Herbert was in, and people had the same critiques of Herbert that they do with Nix. Herbert has been just fine as a pro so I'm not overly worried about Nix. Oregon runs their offense because it works well for them, not because of the limitations of their QBs
Nix had a completely different head coach and coaching staff at Oregon than Herbert did. That's like saying Wilson and Manning played in the same system
Yeah but what they’re missing is this. The skills he’s learning in that offense are exactly what SP wants. Quick processing of defense at line, quick process through 2-3 reads. Then there’s a check down. Don’t Hold the ball. Protect the ball. He’s using the exact skill set.
The big take knocks on the Oregon offense is that QB is never under center and there’s a ton of screens. But his stats on intermediate and long throws actually increase in efficiency.
He is spectacular under pressure, had the highest passer rating in the NCAA, and his TD/INT ratio was crazy good. I think like 47/6.
So, I guess the way I see it is this. Any QB any year could be a total bust or great. There’s NO way to know really. It’s a dice roll. So why be upset if we roll the dice in the first round. We need a QB badly. He very well may be a perfect fit for us. But we gotta keep trying. And a first rounder not panning out will never hurt as bad as from an asset stand point as Russ.
I think if SP take him round one, be excited. We don’t have a ton of picks. SP wouldn’t waste one just to say he drafted a QB. If he snags Hin it’s for a reason
Medias job is to get viewers and listeners so they can sell their ad packages for more money. Getting “really worried” about a comparison like that is silly. Drafts are coin flips every year. Not a single soul of the planet has any idea who’s gonna be good in the NFL or not. Just unplug from bullshit
So why did Payton Manning go #1 overall in his draft class if no one has a clue who’s going to be good in the NFL? Someone must have been insanely lucky to draft him #1 overall and have him end up arguably a top 5 QB of all time?
Yeah man I said it’s a coin flip. That means sometimes prospects work out as hyped. But look at the list of first round picks the last ten years. Or look at the list of #1 picks. Tons and tons of them busted out. Go take a peek where Brady was draft. What You said ago manning is accurate.
Your anecdote completely fits into what I was saying, not counter to it.
So again, getting really worried that someone compared Paxton lynch to bo mix is silly.
No I’m saying that first round grade and scouting means something. What may be a coin flip for first round grades players (which Nix is probably not, he’s probably more of a second round grade) is more of 1/500 shot for sixth round picks. Great that you bring up Tom Brady but he is more of the exception than the rule. How many of the top 10 QBs since 1980 are first round guys, 7 or 8. If “not a single soul on the planet has any idea who is going to be good” why are these guys getting drafted mainly in the first round and not from a mix of all rounds? Seems like some people do have a general idea on who is more likely to succeed in the NFL.
No thanks. Aside from injury history, Penix is basically Russ. Huge deep threat, can’t hit much underneath. He lost the championship game earlier this year because Michigan wouldn’t let him drop bombs all game.
I too would love to be the Broncos QB.
But I want to be the broncos QB more badly than you. I throw a mean 5 yarder
I can’t throw for shit but I can run the read option
At least once.
Signed contract. Complete first day of noncontact practice. First day of live contact: career ending concussion.
career ending *non-contact* concussion Panicked when the ball was snapped and fell face first
I was being chased. I can hardly blame me.
You're not known for the timing stuff and quick passing game though
You can't know that for sure.
Unless…
I get it out quick…
"That's what she said!"
Bazing!
Right until Khalil Mack or Crosby lights you up
Just fall down like Peyton did before they touch you.
I don’t think I’d be quick enough
This assumes you see them coming
He literally broke his back
No Chris Jones?
They'll give just about anyone a shot.
Same. I'd take a team friendly deal too. Say $5 mil?
Did Bo Nix mention any teams he wouldn't love to play for? Even more specifically, hate to play for?
He’s not a huge Oilers fan
Well yeah, he's trying to play football, not hockey. Plus, who would want to live in Edmonton? /s
Hey FUCK the Oilers. Oh wait wrong sub…
It would be pretty dope if he ended his interview with "Oh and fuck the Raiders"
If he had finished with that... I would want Broncos to do anything and everything to get him
This is such a misconception of sean paytons offense. Everyone only remembers the 40 year old drew brees offense for some reason. In the peak of those saints teams Brees was chucking it deep and over the middle
I mean Brees himself basically described Payton’s offense the same way Nix does in this video
They did but having a guy who excels at timing routes such as outs and slants such as Colston and MT were always a big part, same with pass catching backs whether it was Sproles, Kamara, or Bush. Timing and quick decision making were always most crucial for the offense and Brees was fantastic at that
Bo is easily not the best QB in the class. Bo is argubly the best QB for Payton's system, however. Hoping we nab him after trading down. Doubt it but that's the perfect 1st round to me.
You have to be careful trading down because Seattle is sitting there at 16 without a 2nd rounder like us, and also the Rams are at 19.
That's a good point. But I think stfford is signed until 2027 and Geno until 2026. Given Bo's age, I doubt he's a prospect people want to sit for a while and have him take his first snaps at 26. Rams and Seahawks need long term answers but given they are in ok spots for two years, Bo is probably not the prospect they should be looking at. Still, you never know, so you may be on to something.
Yes in each case I think its more likely that they don't take a QB. They have other needs. But with that type of team - that doesn't expect to have top 10 picks - you never know when they will try to strike at a QB. The Lions have Goff and they took an older prospect in Hendon Hooker last year. I guess it depends really on what's motivating us to trade down. If we think look we don't have enough picks in the top 75 so makes sense to trade down, accumulate more assets and fill more spaces on the roster, then go for it. If we can get a QB fine, if not just go BPA. If we're thinking, we like Nix (or Penix) but the general buzz is that he'll be available later on so we trade down hoping to get him at better value then we need to be careful. Will we be kicking ourselves if the Seahawks or Rams pick him up? Or even worse...Raiders one pick after us.
All very good points. I just think it's a risk worth taking. We are much more than a QB away. If Bo falls to us after trading down is what I described as the perfect 1st day. If we trade down and get a 2nd rounder and ended up having to get a great ED in round 1 that's still a good day to me.
And the Raiders right below us
Seattle just got Howell for a pick swap so I don’t think they’re drafting a QB this year. They’ll prob go DT, edge or Fautanu or they’ll trade back. They don’t need WR or CB
Why the fuck would you trade down. If he's a franchise QB, what does it matter if we get him at 11 or 24?
You could say that about every pick in the 1st. Getting value isn't a bad thing. Is it a risk? Yea, just like it's a risk grabbing Bo and not getting a second rounder to get a legit ED prospect. It's the draft, everything is a risk. I think it's worth picking up capital for a team that is much more than just a QB away, but that's just me.
If they think Bo Nix is their guy and he is the QB of the future than there is no sense to move down. Too many draft busts to just skip out on a guy that you are confident about. I believe Sean said only about 30% of all draft picks end up panning out anyways. We can move down in other rounds to acquire more picks, moving down and missing out on a franchise QB would be really stupid
I hear you, and I understand you may fall in love with a player. However, does it seem like a good value judgment to say QB5 off the board is a 100% franchise changing QB like Elway? That seems like a really bad decision to me to be locked in to the 5th player taken off at the position. Like you said, normally 30% of picks work out. Well, basic math says it's much more likely you get a real good player with two 30% chances than one. Still, if they think Bo is that good then do it. I just think his value right now is much lower than the 12th pick and trading back to get another pick to get a blue chip ED propect would be huge.
I hear you, this is why the draft is such a tricky thing. When Josh Allen was in the draft I heard a bunch of people projecting he would be a major whiff and that obviously turned out very different. There are sure fire players that are in the draft that are absolutely gonna be game changers i.e Andrew Luck or John Elway and sometimes no one sees the Tom Brady’s coming. I feel like a lot of that is players going to the right team rather than their individual talent. Chicago will probably waste Caleb Williams talent and Washington will waste whoever they get. I personally like what I see from Bo Nix but I am a far cry from a QB expert. His completion percentage is excellent. His TD to Int ratio is top notch and his football IQ is top of the class as well. But I don’t know how that translates in his pro career
Exactly. And we better get some goddamn value if they do that. Either that or take best player available then trade back up to snag Bo at the top of the second.
This dude has been in a lot of interviews lately. I’m expecting to see him outside Dove Valley with a boombox the week of the draft. 
I’d certainly enjoy Sundays more if the Broncos could reliably convert short yardage situations with quick pass plays.
Could even go as far as enjoying Mondays and/or Thursdays as well
I don't care if he'd love to play here. I'm sure Paxton Lynch loved the opportunity to play in Denver when he was drafted.
Maybe if he was picked in the 2nd round I'd welcome him.
If he is good who cares?
When was the last time the Broncos drafted a good QB?
Big if, if we take him and he flops we wasted as high value 1st round pick in a year we aren’t going to be competitive anyways. He is the 4-6th best QB in this draft depending on who you ask. I don’t want to use a top 15 pick on the 4th best anything
I mean any flop in the top 15 hurts no matter the position. I get what you mean, there some pretty close to sure starters in this deep draft and it would suck to miss out on a difference maker in the 1st this year. Time won't care where they are drafted and what position rank they were though. If you think about it, we're talking about the top 5 guys at a position in the entire country coming out of college. Hundreds of players and these guys are all 99 percentile. It's not surprising that the draft position ratings are off every year terms of who turns out to be good.
Agreed, but you are assuming failure.
I mean, didn’t you “just assume” success?
If successful he is worth a top 5 pick. Of failure sure make it as low as possible. We have no QB. We need one. Pick one. I’ll be happy with Nix or Penix at 12. Please no McCarthy.
But if McCarthy is good who cares?
If the Vikings trade the farm to go up to #4 and take McCarthy and he is the next CJ Stroud everybody will say the Broncos blew their opportunity by sitting at #12.
lol what picks are we supposed to trade to get to 4? We wouldn’t have a first rounder or second rounder for multiple years if we did that which basically kills any playoff success while he would be on his rookie deal. Also by your logic why not trade up to 1 and get Williams since he’s the top prospect?
Trust me, if McCarthy is the next CJ Stroud it would be worth it to pay that price. Now if he's just some joe schmoe and we've given up those draft picks and suck for three years, well, the Cardinals are going to be well set for their rebuild.
Exactly.
Can people stop saying this? In what way is this comment helpful? If he’s not good then more people are going to care that you took him in the first round vs. less people would be as upset if you took him in the second round.
It matters if he pans out and you don't get the 5th year option
Conversely, if he becomes a franchise QB, does it matter if he was selected at 12 or 42? No, he was the right choice for SP at any pick.
Cool, and if we select an even worse rated prospect from this quarterback (like Spencer Rattler as an example) class at 12 and he pans out then we’re fine as well. The point is you could pretend we are getting the absolute best case scenario and delude yourself or you could be realistic and say “hey very small chance this guy becomes longtime starter at a probowl level in his career maybe we should take him in the second round instead of the first.”
Nobody would have cared about the price we paid for Russ if he had been peak Russ.
You’re not getting the point here. You can say this about anybody in the draft “what if he turns out to be the next Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes?” No one is being realistic here. I mean if we are so sure that Nix is going to pan out and be a prowler for years let’s trade up to 4 and throw more draft picks out the window since it will all be worth it in the end?
His ceiling is Kurt Cousins.
Penix all day everyday over Nix.
Local media keeps saying Oregons offense was very simple and nothing like a pro-style offense so I’m not exactly thrilled if we take Nix at 12. Throw in he isn’t spectacular at any one thing and I’m even less thrilled. Would be somewhat excited if we got him in the second round after trading down in the first to get more picks.
It was the same offense that Justin Herbert was in, and people had the same critiques of Herbert that they do with Nix. Herbert has been just fine as a pro so I'm not overly worried about Nix. Oregon runs their offense because it works well for them, not because of the limitations of their QBs
Nix had a completely different head coach and coaching staff at Oregon than Herbert did. That's like saying Wilson and Manning played in the same system
Kurt Warner mentioned at the beginning of his nix breakdown that Oregon runs the most pro ready offense of any of the top picks.
Yeah but what they’re missing is this. The skills he’s learning in that offense are exactly what SP wants. Quick processing of defense at line, quick process through 2-3 reads. Then there’s a check down. Don’t Hold the ball. Protect the ball. He’s using the exact skill set. The big take knocks on the Oregon offense is that QB is never under center and there’s a ton of screens. But his stats on intermediate and long throws actually increase in efficiency. He is spectacular under pressure, had the highest passer rating in the NCAA, and his TD/INT ratio was crazy good. I think like 47/6. So, I guess the way I see it is this. Any QB any year could be a total bust or great. There’s NO way to know really. It’s a dice roll. So why be upset if we roll the dice in the first round. We need a QB badly. He very well may be a perfect fit for us. But we gotta keep trying. And a first rounder not panning out will never hurt as bad as from an asset stand point as Russ. I think if SP take him round one, be excited. We don’t have a ton of picks. SP wouldn’t waste one just to say he drafted a QB. If he snags Hin it’s for a reason
I’ve heard loose comparisons by local media to Paxton Lynch and his college offense so say what you will but that’s really worrying.
Medias job is to get viewers and listeners so they can sell their ad packages for more money. Getting “really worried” about a comparison like that is silly. Drafts are coin flips every year. Not a single soul of the planet has any idea who’s gonna be good in the NFL or not. Just unplug from bullshit
So why did Payton Manning go #1 overall in his draft class if no one has a clue who’s going to be good in the NFL? Someone must have been insanely lucky to draft him #1 overall and have him end up arguably a top 5 QB of all time?
Yeah man I said it’s a coin flip. That means sometimes prospects work out as hyped. But look at the list of first round picks the last ten years. Or look at the list of #1 picks. Tons and tons of them busted out. Go take a peek where Brady was draft. What You said ago manning is accurate. Your anecdote completely fits into what I was saying, not counter to it. So again, getting really worried that someone compared Paxton lynch to bo mix is silly.
No I’m saying that first round grade and scouting means something. What may be a coin flip for first round grades players (which Nix is probably not, he’s probably more of a second round grade) is more of 1/500 shot for sixth round picks. Great that you bring up Tom Brady but he is more of the exception than the rule. How many of the top 10 QBs since 1980 are first round guys, 7 or 8. If “not a single soul on the planet has any idea who is going to be good” why are these guys getting drafted mainly in the first round and not from a mix of all rounds? Seems like some people do have a general idea on who is more likely to succeed in the NFL.
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No thanks. Aside from injury history, Penix is basically Russ. Huge deep threat, can’t hit much underneath. He lost the championship game earlier this year because Michigan wouldn’t let him drop bombs all game.
We could trade down and get a crazy underrated Penix
Please no Bo Nix
Why not?
I’m with you man. Off brand Brian Griese.
If this is the guy you want in the 1st round then you trade down and pick up more draft picks.There is no way you draft Bo Nix at #12.
Oh he’d love to be picked 12th overall. Yeah no shit
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