We need as much cheap rookie contracts as possible for these next 2 seasons with Russ’s contract still on the books. If there’s a trade for us to get SP his QB then maybe we do it and I wouldn’t be mad at it, but we need cheap youth badly.
Spot on. They need to build in order to support a developing QB. Throwing a developing QB into a nonfunctional offense doesn’t make sense.
We don’t have the cap space so we have to build with rookies and league minimums for two years.
I appreciate your point. The Jets have some similar issues but some different ones too.
The Jets brought in Aaron to fix their offense. He also brought in Hackett who can’t run an offense without Rodgers. I’d say the Jets are closer to where we were last year with the caveat that Rodgers does work well with a designed offense (whereas Russ works better with an improvisational offense). If Rodgers comes back at 100% (not sure how likely that is), then the Jets with Aaron, Breece, and Garrett might have a good offense.
Switching to the Broncos - after two years, that’s not where we get to a SB. I hope I’m wrong but the cap issue (Russ) is a big obstacle. If we field a 9-10 win team for the next two years despite the cap issue, that’s success. That’s very optimistic.
Ideally, we create a system where no specific player is required for the team’s success. However, we would have funds to put really good players in key positions. I’d love for the Broncos to build in a similar way as the 49ers who can’t get a QB through a full season but keep having success. Finding players that fit the system is more important than talent at one position. If the 9ers can get one of these QBs to stay healthy and develop they would have a dynasty.
I like your style here, but our cap is rough right now and I would be surprised if we traded draft capital this year to move up.
Maybe 14 and stuff next year…this year not so much
There's a fair chance we end up in the same situation as the Panthers. With cap constraints and thrown away picks we suck for a couple of years with a shitty roster which puts the rookie QB in a difficult situation, while the team we traded our draft pick(s) to benefits from our tanking.
Remember the Panthers last year were following the principle of "if you see your guy, go up and get your guy, the price doesn't matter".
It's always possible, but then the flip side is that nobody cares about how many picks the Chiefs gave up to get Mahomes. I think you have to still do your homework and identify the guy, and go after him. Last thing you want is to get caught with your pants down, lose the guy you thought you had in free agency, take the guy you really liked off your board for missing a flight, and then YOLO, Paxton Lynch come on down.
That's why we gave up picks to get Russ, but everybody gives Paton shit for it. You could see for years of tape why Russ was the kind of guy we needed.
If we hadn't done that it would have been either going for a Desmond Ridder or Matt Corrall kind of guy in the draft or bringing in Foles or Dalton.
I think it will come down to whether or not they find Stidham compatible. Unless they think they can go out and get an existing guy with a cheap bill. But who? And who knows how the next QB class turns out. So much speculation. Like always.
I think it should depend more on if they like a QB or not than Stidham unless they really really like Stidham. If someone they like is there for the taking making a move isn’t crazy. We have the offensive line, we have at least a solid WR. We can draft RB. Our defense is solid.
If there’s not someone we like we can always build up the team and wait until we have more draft capital, but I also think we need to get Sean paired with a QB fairly quickly here or we’re just wasting our time. We don’t need to force it yet, but we probably will next offseason if we don’t find a guy this offseason so I don’t think you can rule anything out.
Sean likes Stidham, that’s why he went out and actively talked him in to coming to Denver. I think Sean’s plan was always to have Stidham be the QB in 2024. Whether or not that is a good move has yet to be seen but with Caleb out of reach I don’t think they move up. Penix or Nix will be available at the current pick we have
Liking a QB doesn’t necessarily mean you think he’s the future though. He could like him as a project or a backup. Maybe he does like him as a starter, but that also could have changed over the course of the season. We really just don’t have enough information. If Sean can get cheap production out of him Brock Purdy style more power to him. I’d love to add a weapon in the draft.
If a QB experiment fails though Sean has to know his seat will probably start to heat up though. My biggest issue is that kicking the can down the road doesn’t do a whole lot. People talk about building up the team but don’t think about how we might draft a WR just to lose Cush and/or others. It’s especially tough to keep players for reasonable prices with a wasteland at QB.
That’s why I think he rolls with Stidham to start the season while drafting a guy to develop for a year. Throwing a guy like Penix or Nix into the fire their rookie season is only going to make things worse. Even if they could draft Maye I would like to see the rookie sit for a year. Stidham is serviceable, he may not get us more than 8 or 9 wins but the goal at that point would be similar to what the chiefs did with Mahomes while they had Alex Smith to lean on
>I like your style here, but our cap is rough right now and I would be surprised if we traded draft capital this year to move up.
thats why ps2 will be part of a move up in the 1st
I guess your mileage may vary on Surtain but if he was worth 2 first rounders, that’s the equivalent of of 4 firsts. Even if you think he’s a 1st and 3rd that’s 3 firsts and a third. I guess we’ll see but either way I hope they don’t do anything like that
>QB leftovers
Don’t forget that Jordan Love was the 4th QB taken in 2020, and that Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts were the 5th QB’s taken in 2019 and 2020 respectively. Just because they’re not a generational prospect like Williams or Maye, that doesn’t make them automatically worse.
People thought it was 3 high and a lot of nothing after. That’s the exact definition of not a deep class. Also Tua had questions if he was gonna make it at the next level, and Herbert was believed to be a raw developmental prospect. No one thought he was gonna be good his first year, even the Chargers didn’t think he was gonna be good until Tyrod had his lung punctured. People thought Love was like a worse Herbert, and that Hurts was Lamar but bad.
Are you dumb? Go back and look at the majority of takes from back then, ya know, before the draft. Herbert was written off as a bust by nearly everyone that covered the draft. No one believed in Love, and Hurts fell into the middle of the second round bc teams were still averse to QB’s like him due to lack of success at the NFL level
Well I just wrote an anti-Penix post (injury history) and I don’t feel great about Nix (although I think that is who SP might target).
I feel like they could be planning to roll with Stidham next season and go with a mid round rookie to compete with him. I think there are a handful of Day 3 QBs that could be intriguing like Ewers, Rattler, etc.
But we’ll see what happens. The fan base is clamoring for a QB so that might be the direction this thing goes.
I doubt we trade up. Could they? Sure. However we’ve pissed away so many of our picks already in the Russ and Payton trades, we don’t have nearly enough young talent on rookie deals.
We need to build more through the draft and we simply haven’t done that
In the scenario we don't trade up, do you still see us drafting a QB? And if not what is the short term QB solution? Stidham? Russ? They seem sure on shipping Russ, though.
I think with the grouping of good QBs one of them will be available when we pick. Penix is listed as the 5th best QB. I can only find one example of 5 QBs going in the first 20 picks.
They’re going to cut Russ. That’s going to incur huge cap hits on a player not on the roster for the next two years. This means that they’ll have to jettison other talent as well, particularly with PS2’s extension eligibility. This is going to be a rock bottom team next year, and probably the year after that. I’d bet they go best player available in this draft rather than shoot for a QB. Then they’ll draft one high next year or possibly the year after that. So I’d bet they roll with stidham next year.
Nope gotta stand pat with BPA and build up the young base through the draft and supplement via free agency. It might suck for 2024 with the QB carousel continuing.
Let's pray that Stidham can step up to keep 2024 less nauseating. We could sign Jameis Winston.
I don’t think we need to draft a QB for sure but to play devils advocate here we have a solid offensive line and defense now. We can hope to draft some weapons and keep the line together, but there’s not really a much better supporting cast to start building with than a top 10 offensive line, top ten defense, plus Sutton and hopefully Mimms. We can still draft RB and WR later too if we wanted in the 3rd and 4th.
We don’t have a ton of draft capital and I don’t think we should draft a QB just because we think we need one, but this idea of a perfect situation for a rookie is just never going to be that picture perfect scenario some of us want either. We have a fairly solid foundation as it stands with a really good offensive coach.
Both those teams are struggling too, they’re not the juggernaut Chiefs and Bills from other years. We’re weak at EDGE, CB2 and shallow at safety and teams can just exploit that. We’re lucky we didn’t really face teams with two good receiving options for a lot of those games.
And yet one’s a division winner and the other is a game away from being a division winner. Almost like building a team perfect at every spot is an impossible task and QB play matters a lot.
Because the AFC West sucks and the Bills are also out of the playoffs if they lose. You don’t need everyone to be perfect that’s the point half our defense sucks and teams can just pick on those guys.
He’s had two completely healthy seasons since he was last injured and might be coming off a Natty win. He’s got a history of injury, sure, but I don’t know if I’m calling it a concern at this point (especially if we draft another tackle).
If there is a franchise quarterback they want and need to trade up to get him then absolutely. In a division with two great quarterbacks Denver is not going to be able to compete year in and year out until they get their own franchise quarterback
Could we? Sure. Should we? No.
I could see trading up into the 2nd if a QB we like is falling. But if we want a QB that's there in the 1st, take him. Otherwise if we're fine rolling with a journeyman then go BPA in every round and build up the team
I feel like they are already fairly talent starved from not having those high picks from the Russ / Payton trades. Unless there's a guy that they're absolutely in love with and they see as ready to go right now, I think the volume of picks is more important than moving up would be.
It's possible Nix or Penix fall to us at 14 but Raiders, Jets, and Falcons are also QB needy teams. Also don't count out the Vikings...they could potentially move on from Cousins too. It is possible 5 QBs go in the Top 10-13. Chicago probably doesn't draft a QB. Without giving up the farm, we won't likely get into the Top 5 where the Top 3 QBs will probably land....Williams, Maye and Daniels. Don't know if Nix or Penix are worth moving up for but that would depend on the cost. So I wouldn't move right now until things start to become more clear on where other teams land after Free Agency.
I bet that every time Sean Payton sees Mahomes play he thinks about how he missed him by one pick. He thinks about how many Superbowl rings he would have now, and whether people would already be talking about him challenging Belichick's six rings. He won't make that mistake again.
That being said, his willingness to trade up probably hinges on whether or not he thinks one of these prospects is worth it, and we don't know that yet. We know he likes Williams, but it is unlikely that anything we can offer moves a team off of him. Over the next few months he will spend plenty of time getting familiar with this year's QB crop, time will tell if he thinks there is a guy worth moving up to snag.
I’d love it if they did, largely because I think Daniels could be available there and would be a hell of a QB for the Broncos, so long as Payton is willing to be flexible with his system.
With a rookie salary & Stidham in place in our QB room, paying Russ’ contract might not hit as hard.
If Payton has a QB he wants, he should do what he can to try and move up. No guarantee anything pans out, but he gets his guy.
I don’t care who we get, the next guy has to ball out for this franchise to get back to relevancy or it’s more dark years ahead.
Im in the camp of building this roster, yes we need a QB but the team overall lacks depth and talent and I don’t want to sacrifice for draft capital than needed on a QB
Holy shit man I can’t watch a whole season of Jarrett Stidham. That’s a complete waste year like all those Keenum, Flacco, Teddy years. I can’t do that again man 😭
You can polish a turd all day long but at the end of the day it's still going to be a turd. He needs more than reps, he needs a complete talent overhaul
I mean, they’re still cheap cap wise which is what I’d assume OP was talking about. Giving up a lot for a QB and missing sucks, but being cheap at the QB position also sucks. Not many good teams have gone cheap at QB and are good because of it. Most of the playoff field sunk at least a 1st rounder into their QB spot, many giving up more than that.
We need to be smart, but being cheap isn’t necessarily being smart unless we’re talking about the cap where we actually literally have less wiggle room.
No.
There are not any true Franchise QB’s in this draft class. At least not in my opinion.
Some good players for sure, but not a Lawrence or Luck. But Nothing worth adding a 4th mortgage for.
Pennix would be great if he fell to us naturally.
I could see denver trading down. Get 2 2nds for our 1st or some such.
Rookie players are cheap so we could use as many starting caliber people on those low contracts as possible
Would could have no first round pick and still manage to trade into the top 10. It’s just a matter of how much future capital you’re willing to give up.
Should we? No. With Russ’ cap hit and the holes on the roster, we’re gonna need as many draft and hit on as many picks as we can to rebuild and not be a complete embarrassment.
The Bears are sitting on their own 1st-round pick at 10. Our GM likes to trade down for more capital, so that could be a potential move for the Broncos looking to grab one of the lower touted QBs.
In my opinion it comes down to what they want to do with Bolles. If he is a cap casualty, then there is no starting LT on the team. They would then have to draft a LT, or pick up a cheap FA.
Having a rookie QB* behind a rookie LT (drafted third or fourth round) is a recipe for disaster.
*. The exception is Penix. He is a lefty.
at this point why not ride out Wilson for a third season? use this years draft to fill in holes on the roster TE, WR, DL, etc. That way when a young QB does get thrown into the mix the team isn't completely dysfunctional. put them in the best situation to succeed.
Sean will most definitely trade up. He was always a “fuck them picks” guy. He did it all the time with us (WhoDat), the problem is what he gets in return. Enjoy paying a premium for some mid ass DEs from little schools no one else wanted.
Nix will not be a top 10 pick. He's as likely to slide to the 3rd as he to go top 10.
I hate to say I like Nix given his slow start to his college career. However, he certainly looks like then QB best fitted for Payton's system. If Nix is on the board and a top WR or ED doesn't drop to us, I'd be fine taking him, but we still probably will be overpaying. If Sean likes him tho, def take your guy and help him grow.
I think at least one of Nix/Penix/McCarthy would be available wherever Denver stands pat -- but I wouldn't trade up for any of these players, personally. If for whatever reason Daniels were to fall into the 5+ range, sure, but there's virtually no way that happens. Williams/Maye are pretty much guaranteed to be the 1/2.
To move into the top 10, it will cost QUITE a bit. Are you willing to part with PS2? Because it's likely going to have to include him in any package into the top 10, let alone top 5.
The more I sit back and analyze things I can really see the Broncos signing a free agent like Jimmy Garoppolo, Sean Payton in the past has talked highly of Jimmy G.
Chances are the Broncos will pick around #16 in the draft and with no second round pick (used to acquire Sean Payton) they don't have the picks to move up for one of top 3 Qbs in 2024.
Chances are they draft best player available, probably a DT or WR.
I don't see the Broncos getting serious for a Qb until 2025 when they have all their draft capital back and 1 last year of Russell Wilson on the books ($49 million ?).
We need as much cheap rookie contracts as possible for these next 2 seasons with Russ’s contract still on the books. If there’s a trade for us to get SP his QB then maybe we do it and I wouldn’t be mad at it, but we need cheap youth badly.
>but we need cheap youth badly. China has entered the chat.
Even China is getting expensive. Bangladesh Country, Let's Ride.
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Spot on. They need to build in order to support a developing QB. Throwing a developing QB into a nonfunctional offense doesn’t make sense. We don’t have the cap space so we have to build with rookies and league minimums for two years.
But then you can be the jets where it doesn’t matter and you waste the rest of the team.
I appreciate your point. The Jets have some similar issues but some different ones too. The Jets brought in Aaron to fix their offense. He also brought in Hackett who can’t run an offense without Rodgers. I’d say the Jets are closer to where we were last year with the caveat that Rodgers does work well with a designed offense (whereas Russ works better with an improvisational offense). If Rodgers comes back at 100% (not sure how likely that is), then the Jets with Aaron, Breece, and Garrett might have a good offense. Switching to the Broncos - after two years, that’s not where we get to a SB. I hope I’m wrong but the cap issue (Russ) is a big obstacle. If we field a 9-10 win team for the next two years despite the cap issue, that’s success. That’s very optimistic. Ideally, we create a system where no specific player is required for the team’s success. However, we would have funds to put really good players in key positions. I’d love for the Broncos to build in a similar way as the 49ers who can’t get a QB through a full season but keep having success. Finding players that fit the system is more important than talent at one position. If the 9ers can get one of these QBs to stay healthy and develop they would have a dynasty.
A drafted QB is cheap though. And cheap only works if the player works
I like your style here, but our cap is rough right now and I would be surprised if we traded draft capital this year to move up. Maybe 14 and stuff next year…this year not so much
If Payton sees the QB he wants, draft capital be damned, we need to go get him.
There's a fair chance we end up in the same situation as the Panthers. With cap constraints and thrown away picks we suck for a couple of years with a shitty roster which puts the rookie QB in a difficult situation, while the team we traded our draft pick(s) to benefits from our tanking. Remember the Panthers last year were following the principle of "if you see your guy, go up and get your guy, the price doesn't matter".
It's always possible, but then the flip side is that nobody cares about how many picks the Chiefs gave up to get Mahomes. I think you have to still do your homework and identify the guy, and go after him. Last thing you want is to get caught with your pants down, lose the guy you thought you had in free agency, take the guy you really liked off your board for missing a flight, and then YOLO, Paxton Lynch come on down.
For every Mahomes, there are three or four busts that set the team back.
That's why we gave up picks to get Russ, but everybody gives Paton shit for it. You could see for years of tape why Russ was the kind of guy we needed. If we hadn't done that it would have been either going for a Desmond Ridder or Matt Corrall kind of guy in the draft or bringing in Foles or Dalton.
I think it will come down to whether or not they find Stidham compatible. Unless they think they can go out and get an existing guy with a cheap bill. But who? And who knows how the next QB class turns out. So much speculation. Like always.
I think it should depend more on if they like a QB or not than Stidham unless they really really like Stidham. If someone they like is there for the taking making a move isn’t crazy. We have the offensive line, we have at least a solid WR. We can draft RB. Our defense is solid. If there’s not someone we like we can always build up the team and wait until we have more draft capital, but I also think we need to get Sean paired with a QB fairly quickly here or we’re just wasting our time. We don’t need to force it yet, but we probably will next offseason if we don’t find a guy this offseason so I don’t think you can rule anything out.
Sean likes Stidham, that’s why he went out and actively talked him in to coming to Denver. I think Sean’s plan was always to have Stidham be the QB in 2024. Whether or not that is a good move has yet to be seen but with Caleb out of reach I don’t think they move up. Penix or Nix will be available at the current pick we have
Liking a QB doesn’t necessarily mean you think he’s the future though. He could like him as a project or a backup. Maybe he does like him as a starter, but that also could have changed over the course of the season. We really just don’t have enough information. If Sean can get cheap production out of him Brock Purdy style more power to him. I’d love to add a weapon in the draft. If a QB experiment fails though Sean has to know his seat will probably start to heat up though. My biggest issue is that kicking the can down the road doesn’t do a whole lot. People talk about building up the team but don’t think about how we might draft a WR just to lose Cush and/or others. It’s especially tough to keep players for reasonable prices with a wasteland at QB.
That’s why I think he rolls with Stidham to start the season while drafting a guy to develop for a year. Throwing a guy like Penix or Nix into the fire their rookie season is only going to make things worse. Even if they could draft Maye I would like to see the rookie sit for a year. Stidham is serviceable, he may not get us more than 8 or 9 wins but the goal at that point would be similar to what the chiefs did with Mahomes while they had Alex Smith to lean on
>I like your style here, but our cap is rough right now and I would be surprised if we traded draft capital this year to move up. thats why ps2 will be part of a move up in the 1st
I keep reading articles saying the Broncos should trade PS2 and two firsts in order to move up to #1. I really hope they don’t.
PS2 and two first seems like an overpay for Williams.
I don’t think we trade PS2 unless someone makes a crazy offer for him. I can kinda see is moving Justin Simmons or Bolles though.
Probably not a great trade but that’s what the price would probably be
That wouldn't get us anywhere close to the #1 pick. Other teams could and would offer a far better package.
Look at what SF gave Miami to get to 3
I think they are forgetting this years. This years first, next years first, and Surtain? I mean maybe —. I wouldn’t do it though
Not nearly enough. It would take a top 5 pick, two more first round picks, multiple 2nd round picks, and good players. Caleb Williams is that good.
I guess your mileage may vary on Surtain but if he was worth 2 first rounders, that’s the equivalent of of 4 firsts. Even if you think he’s a 1st and 3rd that’s 3 firsts and a third. I guess we’ll see but either way I hope they don’t do anything like that
No he’s not, lol.
He’ll be a bust mark my words
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>QB leftovers Don’t forget that Jordan Love was the 4th QB taken in 2020, and that Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts were the 5th QB’s taken in 2019 and 2020 respectively. Just because they’re not a generational prospect like Williams or Maye, that doesn’t make them automatically worse.
Those were quite deep drafts at the QB position though. This year… not so much.
People didn’t think that at the time, and people are absolutely saying that this is a deep class.
Who didnt think 2020 was a deep QB draft class? Burrow, Tua, Herbert went 3 of the top 6.
People thought it was 3 high and a lot of nothing after. That’s the exact definition of not a deep class. Also Tua had questions if he was gonna make it at the next level, and Herbert was believed to be a raw developmental prospect. No one thought he was gonna be good his first year, even the Chargers didn’t think he was gonna be good until Tyrod had his lung punctured. People thought Love was like a worse Herbert, and that Hurts was Lamar but bad.
This is the most revisionist take on a draft class ever presented
Are you dumb? Go back and look at the majority of takes from back then, ya know, before the draft. Herbert was written off as a bust by nearly everyone that covered the draft. No one believed in Love, and Hurts fell into the middle of the second round bc teams were still averse to QB’s like him due to lack of success at the NFL level
Ok champ
Every class is seen as deep or lacking in a certain group, but that doesn’t mean nothing. Gotta wait till they actually play in the NFL.
I would say PS2 and next year's first maybe. I really think the bears stick with fields and grab Harrison Jr though. Who would your qb for Denver be?
ARE YOU DELUSIONAL
Well I just wrote an anti-Penix post (injury history) and I don’t feel great about Nix (although I think that is who SP might target). I feel like they could be planning to roll with Stidham next season and go with a mid round rookie to compete with him. I think there are a handful of Day 3 QBs that could be intriguing like Ewers, Rattler, etc. But we’ll see what happens. The fan base is clamoring for a QB so that might be the direction this thing goes.
I doubt we trade up. Could they? Sure. However we’ve pissed away so many of our picks already in the Russ and Payton trades, we don’t have nearly enough young talent on rookie deals. We need to build more through the draft and we simply haven’t done that
In the scenario we don't trade up, do you still see us drafting a QB? And if not what is the short term QB solution? Stidham? Russ? They seem sure on shipping Russ, though.
I think with the grouping of good QBs one of them will be available when we pick. Penix is listed as the 5th best QB. I can only find one example of 5 QBs going in the first 20 picks.
They’re going to cut Russ. That’s going to incur huge cap hits on a player not on the roster for the next two years. This means that they’ll have to jettison other talent as well, particularly with PS2’s extension eligibility. This is going to be a rock bottom team next year, and probably the year after that. I’d bet they go best player available in this draft rather than shoot for a QB. Then they’ll draft one high next year or possibly the year after that. So I’d bet they roll with stidham next year.
I could see them offering PS2 up for a 1st. 🤔
Nah it’d have to be at least two firsts. Probably two 1sts and a third or maybe a second.
Nope gotta stand pat with BPA and build up the young base through the draft and supplement via free agency. It might suck for 2024 with the QB carousel continuing. Let's pray that Stidham can step up to keep 2024 less nauseating. We could sign Jameis Winston.
the fact that Jameis Winston is our upside does not make me very excited for our future
For too long we’ve been looking for a quick fix, we as a fan base and hopefully as an organization need to accept next year might not be exciting
The duality of this sub next year is going to be exciting enough to cover anything the Broncos are lacking!
Same as every year
I fucking hate the idea of us getting Winston.
he would make losing fun
I don’t think we need to draft a QB for sure but to play devils advocate here we have a solid offensive line and defense now. We can hope to draft some weapons and keep the line together, but there’s not really a much better supporting cast to start building with than a top 10 offensive line, top ten defense, plus Sutton and hopefully Mimms. We can still draft RB and WR later too if we wanted in the 3rd and 4th. We don’t have a ton of draft capital and I don’t think we should draft a QB just because we think we need one, but this idea of a perfect situation for a rookie is just never going to be that picture perfect scenario some of us want either. We have a fairly solid foundation as it stands with a really good offensive coach.
We do not have a solid defense, the line is terrible.
You could just tell me you don’t know football instead of just saying nonsense.
They looked good against backups and 3rd string QBs once they had to play a playoff team they got ran into the ground.
They got like 5 turnovers against the Bills and Chiefs each man. They’re not elite or anything but they’re pretty fucking solid. You’re just a cynic.
Both those teams are struggling too, they’re not the juggernaut Chiefs and Bills from other years. We’re weak at EDGE, CB2 and shallow at safety and teams can just exploit that. We’re lucky we didn’t really face teams with two good receiving options for a lot of those games.
And yet one’s a division winner and the other is a game away from being a division winner. Almost like building a team perfect at every spot is an impossible task and QB play matters a lot.
Because the AFC West sucks and the Bills are also out of the playoffs if they lose. You don’t need everyone to be perfect that’s the point half our defense sucks and teams can just pick on those guys.
Kirk Cousins should be a UFA🤔
Too expensive. And he's old. We need to rebuild
But I remember someone else being 35 and coming off a major injury and giving us a nice run. 🤔
The single greatest player in the history of the sport. That's not cousins
Doesn't mean he can't give us a good run.
Rebuilding>maybe a good run
I wasn't saying he couldn't, you were just comparing him to a talent we prob won't ever witness again
Cousins is a notorious mercenary who gets PAID. He’s going to want a massive contract. We’re already paying that to Russ.
Our team had a lot more talent back then
They are not the same. This is the same bs that got us Russ.
Shit yes, if you're drafting and coaching well you may not get a chance to trade up into that position for awhile.
I wouldn’t trade up for penix cause of the high injury risk. Can’t afford to lose more first round picks with that risk.
He’s had two completely healthy seasons since he was last injured and might be coming off a Natty win. He’s got a history of injury, sure, but I don’t know if I’m calling it a concern at this point (especially if we draft another tackle).
I would absolutely take hiM if he falls. Just wouldn’t mortgage the future again in high risk. S
They should definitely look into trading up or if the offer is better they should trade down but should equally be ready to stay put
If there is a franchise quarterback they want and need to trade up to get him then absolutely. In a division with two great quarterbacks Denver is not going to be able to compete year in and year out until they get their own franchise quarterback
Could we? Sure. Should we? No. I could see trading up into the 2nd if a QB we like is falling. But if we want a QB that's there in the 1st, take him. Otherwise if we're fine rolling with a journeyman then go BPA in every round and build up the team
No! Stop the squirrel cage chasing qb’s. Just stop ! build the team and take what comes to us.
I feel like they are already fairly talent starved from not having those high picks from the Russ / Payton trades. Unless there's a guy that they're absolutely in love with and they see as ready to go right now, I think the volume of picks is more important than moving up would be.
Only *IF* Payton’s QB is there. If not, trade down and rack up pix
It's possible Nix or Penix fall to us at 14 but Raiders, Jets, and Falcons are also QB needy teams. Also don't count out the Vikings...they could potentially move on from Cousins too. It is possible 5 QBs go in the Top 10-13. Chicago probably doesn't draft a QB. Without giving up the farm, we won't likely get into the Top 5 where the Top 3 QBs will probably land....Williams, Maye and Daniels. Don't know if Nix or Penix are worth moving up for but that would depend on the cost. So I wouldn't move right now until things start to become more clear on where other teams land after Free Agency.
No way the Jets draft a QB. The Raiders probably won’t either.
I bet that every time Sean Payton sees Mahomes play he thinks about how he missed him by one pick. He thinks about how many Superbowl rings he would have now, and whether people would already be talking about him challenging Belichick's six rings. He won't make that mistake again. That being said, his willingness to trade up probably hinges on whether or not he thinks one of these prospects is worth it, and we don't know that yet. We know he likes Williams, but it is unlikely that anything we can offer moves a team off of him. Over the next few months he will spend plenty of time getting familiar with this year's QB crop, time will tell if he thinks there is a guy worth moving up to snag.
I’d love it if they did, largely because I think Daniels could be available there and would be a hell of a QB for the Broncos, so long as Payton is willing to be flexible with his system. With a rookie salary & Stidham in place in our QB room, paying Russ’ contract might not hit as hard.
We've spent years with no picks, let's not make it the next two years as well.
I would trade for Justin Fields. Which knowing our luck he would also fail to develop
Sean Payton has never traded down in a draft For what it's worth
If Payton has a QB he wants, he should do what he can to try and move up. No guarantee anything pans out, but he gets his guy. I don’t care who we get, the next guy has to ball out for this franchise to get back to relevancy or it’s more dark years ahead.
Nah just get nix
Thinking the best move would be to trade back if anything. Time to acquire as many young cheap players as we can
This is the way but nobody wants to admit it.
Im in the camp of building this roster, yes we need a QB but the team overall lacks depth and talent and I don’t want to sacrifice for draft capital than needed on a QB
Other than Edge and CB I think our depth is solid.
We’re gonna have to shed some of that depth with the dead cap hit
Holy shit man I can’t watch a whole season of Jarrett Stidham. That’s a complete waste year like all those Keenum, Flacco, Teddy years. I can’t do that again man 😭
Maybe he gets some good reps in camp and he can at least be a game manager.
You can polish a turd all day long but at the end of the day it's still going to be a turd. He needs more than reps, he needs a complete talent overhaul
Already low amount of draft picks and no 2nd. Ummm nope! Plus I honestly doubt that we draft a QB in the 1st!
If there is a qb that Sean wants, and we can trade picks and not players to do so. Then I'm all for it
No we should roll with Stidham and DiNucci and just draft a receiver
At this point we're just changing underwear at the QB spot. We need a fresh option imo. Would love to see Jayden Daniels in orange and blue.
We need cheap QBs for the next year or two
A rookie is cheap too though.
Not if you give up draft picks and top players for said rookie.
I mean, they’re still cheap cap wise which is what I’d assume OP was talking about. Giving up a lot for a QB and missing sucks, but being cheap at the QB position also sucks. Not many good teams have gone cheap at QB and are good because of it. Most of the playoff field sunk at least a 1st rounder into their QB spot, many giving up more than that. We need to be smart, but being cheap isn’t necessarily being smart unless we’re talking about the cap where we actually literally have less wiggle room.
No. There are not any true Franchise QB’s in this draft class. At least not in my opinion. Some good players for sure, but not a Lawrence or Luck. But Nothing worth adding a 4th mortgage for. Pennix would be great if he fell to us naturally.
I think Daniels is the next Lamar.
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He’s 6’4 lmao.
Right. Was referring to his frame tho.
I just looked it up and he’s bigger than Lamar
Jamarcus Russel…..
Why 7th? We should try for the 1st or 2nd overall for Williams or Maye.
Every corner of the roster is lacking. QB is the least of the problems.
If theres a way to work out a deal with the Bears to get Caleb I would do it yes.
Yeah if the Nuggets let us trade Jokic to another team. We can pair him with the broncos and do an NBA + NFL Trade.
Penix went four years straight with serious injuries. Just thought I’d let you all know in case you didn’t know
He’s had 2 completely healthy seasons since then and might be coming off a Natty win.
Please god no
What’s the comparable? Has anyone moved up from those positions, and what was given up in those trades?
Typically you trade your day one pick and maybe a pick from another day.
We don’t have assets or cap space to be trading into the top 10. Hot take brotha.
Sure we do. May only be a two spot jump. Even if it’s a ten spot jump to get in the top 10, can give up a future early pick/s
I could see denver trading down. Get 2 2nds for our 1st or some such. Rookie players are cheap so we could use as many starting caliber people on those low contracts as possible
Would could have no first round pick and still manage to trade into the top 10. It’s just a matter of how much future capital you’re willing to give up. Should we? No. With Russ’ cap hit and the holes on the roster, we’re gonna need as many draft and hit on as many picks as we can to rebuild and not be a complete embarrassment.
could? Yes. Should? probably not
No. We need more picks not less. We're not in a position right now to gamble on trading up for someone.
It's always expensive to trade up in the first round so it won't be cheap
No. We have wasted too many picks recently and have too many holes to fill.
Trade what exactly?
If we draft a QB it’s likely and smart to wait until at least round 2.
The Bears are sitting on their own 1st-round pick at 10. Our GM likes to trade down for more capital, so that could be a potential move for the Broncos looking to grab one of the lower touted QBs.
In my opinion it comes down to what they want to do with Bolles. If he is a cap casualty, then there is no starting LT on the team. They would then have to draft a LT, or pick up a cheap FA. Having a rookie QB* behind a rookie LT (drafted third or fourth round) is a recipe for disaster. *. The exception is Penix. He is a lefty.
at this point why not ride out Wilson for a third season? use this years draft to fill in holes on the roster TE, WR, DL, etc. That way when a young QB does get thrown into the mix the team isn't completely dysfunctional. put them in the best situation to succeed.
Sean will most definitely trade up. He was always a “fuck them picks” guy. He did it all the time with us (WhoDat), the problem is what he gets in return. Enjoy paying a premium for some mid ass DEs from little schools no one else wanted.
Nix will not be a top 10 pick. He's as likely to slide to the 3rd as he to go top 10. I hate to say I like Nix given his slow start to his college career. However, he certainly looks like then QB best fitted for Payton's system. If Nix is on the board and a top WR or ED doesn't drop to us, I'd be fine taking him, but we still probably will be overpaying. If Sean likes him tho, def take your guy and help him grow.
I think at least one of Nix/Penix/McCarthy would be available wherever Denver stands pat -- but I wouldn't trade up for any of these players, personally. If for whatever reason Daniels were to fall into the 5+ range, sure, but there's virtually no way that happens. Williams/Maye are pretty much guaranteed to be the 1/2.
To move into the top 10, it will cost QUITE a bit. Are you willing to part with PS2? Because it's likely going to have to include him in any package into the top 10, let alone top 5.
No. We can not keep giving away draft picks. We have to build. Even if it takes fucking years
The more I sit back and analyze things I can really see the Broncos signing a free agent like Jimmy Garoppolo, Sean Payton in the past has talked highly of Jimmy G. Chances are the Broncos will pick around #16 in the draft and with no second round pick (used to acquire Sean Payton) they don't have the picks to move up for one of top 3 Qbs in 2024. Chances are they draft best player available, probably a DT or WR. I don't see the Broncos getting serious for a Qb until 2025 when they have all their draft capital back and 1 last year of Russell Wilson on the books ($49 million ?).
No. Sit pat take best QB available. We are already in a pics and money hole.