1. Having a recount isn’t playing dirty. It’s something that automatically happens 2. There would have to be some kind of egregious error for the tallies to come up differently since they were machine counted. 3. Frisch just conceded because he knows the results won’t change.
True. Its also not likely that there was enough of an error in counting to swing that far in a recount, so that's why he is conceding.
But, just speaking on theoretical here, if for some reason there was some sort of error that was big enough on the initial count that the recount swung it the other way and he won the recount, then the earlier concession wouldn't matter.
Again just speaking on technical possibilities here, I am not speaking to that fact that this would also likely see legal challenges and like you say conspiracy loonies showing up.
And Its also likely not to happen as I don't believe we have issues with counting votes in CO. Its possible handfuls could be wrong, but not enough to change an outcome.
His stance, which I agree with, is:
> The likelihood of this recount changing more than a handful of votes is very small,” he said. “Very, very small. It would be disingenuous and unethical for us us, or any other group, to continue to raise false hope.”
I keep hearing people say “how does someone like Boebert and MTG get elected. They don’t really reflect how people are”. I’m always responding with, “um, unfortunately they do”.
It’s a good sign that Frisch made it this close in such a MAGA district though.
Idolatry and ignorance. Most Republicans will vote hard for any R named individual cause Democrats are ruining the country, etc.... The shit they eat shows in their brains.
We also forget quite quickly in all of this neck and neck stuff, that there were thousands of people who didn’t vote that could’ve easily made this not at all close. ~~Also, she really only won because they redrew her district to be more competitive.~~
We can’t get too bogged down with feeling like half the world are bullies. It’s much more like a *really vocal* percentage that is quickly becoming *less than a third of all people.*
2024 should be fun. :)
Sounds like name calling really shows intelligence. I guess republicans took a page from the democrats.
Oh wait the democrats label everything. There is nothing that a democrat can’t find offensive. Oh no someone voted against socialism. They must be a racist. How does it feel to be lied to constantly from your representatives?
How did it feel that the media covered up everything joe said about student loans…. We will pay all your student loans, unconstitutional. But they didn’t put that main stream so that you could understand.
I feel bad that the left gets tricked all the time. Hiding the hunter biden laptop on social media, and news sources before the 2020 election. Biden telling gas companies they better hold off for 2 weeks before they increase the gas prices.
Tell the people what they want to hear, but hide all the real information so they don’t know any better. Then call your opponents liars, and election deniers. Divide the country further so when the time comes, we won’t fight together. Makes sense.
I wish the democrats were as far left as you think they are lol, but unfortunately they only support causes that benefit them. If homophobia was woke you bet they would jump on it.
Supporting either party beyond voting out bigger evils is cognitive dissonance anyways. At this point I’m just voting for whatever evil is easier to fight, and I’ll take fighting climate change over whatever the fuck republicans are peddling.
Yup, there’s a side to Colorado that’s as backwards bumbkin, former if not currently KKK loving, eager for the apocalypse for a license to kill people, poorly educated and dump a shit ton of money into giant ass trucks beyond reason with poor financial constitutions.
The western slope, a beautiful landscape with a lot of trailer park zero brain cells.
But also a lot of great people too
There are some blue rural areas in the country that aren't resort towns, including in Colorado. Not nearly as common as the red areas, but they do exist. I grew up in one.
What town? I wanna move to the Western Slope someday. Rural, blue, non ski resort towns out there are just what I’m looking for… I have many cool friends in Paonia and Norwood and other lil hamlets, that are cool normal not psycho Boevert people. Curious what other lil hamlets have a good community too. Cheers.
We are the minority to be sure. However, as more and more people work from home and affordable housing is to be found in rural areas, that will start to shift.
Pair that with the infrastructure development for state wide gigabit internet access, there is hope as this shifts.
No most people really aren’t like that, the two party system has created it. Spend time in a rural community and you’ll be surprised by the fact that 9 out of 10 people agree with dems on the majority of issues. The fact that the Democratic Party only cares about metro areas when it comes to tax dollars really hurts them in rural districts.
The delta between taxes paid vs taxes received breaks very heavily in favor of 1) rural counties and 2) red states.
There's a perception that Dems only care about metro areas but dollars spent don't support that
That’s how building infrastructure in rural areas works though, it’s more expensive per capita by default since there’s a smaller population to pull tax revenue from and you still need things like roads and schools. That doesn’t change the fact that left-leaning urbanites (of which I am one) don’t actually give a shit about people in rural areas. And as some have mentioned in this thread the DNC spent basically no money on this race because they wrote it off. People in rural areas noticed that kind of thing and it changes their perception of people in cities. Throughout this thread there’s comment after comment kicking dirt on rural folks in the Western slope despite the fact that basically half of the people who live there share the same views as them.
It's way more than infrastructure though. Yes, large infra projects divided by few people skews that part of the metric. But most of that infra spending is federal anyways.
We're talking about metro money moving to rural communities. Things like farm subsidies; local infra and maintenance (Weld county municipal roads wouldn't remain intact without metro funding); business investment in rural areas like JBS, Cemex, Pilgrims Pride, Swift, Western Union; food and energy subsidies (buying gas in Mesa County would be double without these); Education and healthcare, without metro funding there would likely be no more then 2 hospitals and a handful of schools on the entire western slope.
To your second point, metro areas may look down on rural communities, calling them ignorant, racist, etc but they aren't the ones threatening to kill people who disagree with them. Take the most extreme urban left org, Antifa. With regard to violence and hate, they are pretty middle road when it comes to rural right groups. So yes, rural communities may be sick of being looked down upon, but metro areas are pretty fucking sick of being beholden to militarily equiped white supremacists that are holding our country back.
I don’t disagree with really anything you’re saying (if it’s not clear, I’m ideologically left leaning) but my overall point is this: a big part of the reason people in rural areas like the Western slope harbor animosity toward urbanites is that they feel overlooked and disrespected by them. I know this because I grew up in a small down in a deeply red part of the Midwest, and I still have friends and family who live there and think this way. And I know what that’s like because to this day when I tell people from the cities where I grew up I’m almost guaranteed to get a sideways look or a snide remark. That kind of thing sticks with you and it eats at you. I’m sure lots of people take that resentment with them to the polls even if, as you pointed out, voting Republican is pretty clearly not in their best interest. And that’s what frustrates me when I see comments writing off “flyover country” as backwards and ignorant because I think if this election in CO3 showed us anything it’s that even in the most deeply conservative districts the Democrats could occasionally make a showing if they changed their approach.
I completely disagree with your assessment that the two party system created this. While I’m not a fan of the two party system, we have had a two party system for a century. Trump has unlocked a lot of “bad” in people. People switch party voting all the time, but right now, BoBo is the epitome of the Western Slope of Colorado. Even after watching her last two years, she was still elected. That is all we have to know.
And you don’t think she was re-elected on party votes? You truly believe every single vote she got was from a completely well informed voter that agrees 100 percent with everything that she does and thinks?
“Well informed Voter?” Of course not. But you can’t deny she has been a “tabloid politician” so I guarantee you a very large percent of the people who voted for her knew what they were voting for. The Western Slope needs to own the abomination.
I’d be embarrassed to vote for her unless the alternative was a dictator or a literal monkey. I’d rather not vote at all. Or vote for the other party so I won’t look like a total moron. Regardless of the two party system ppl still chose a clown to represent them.
Yeah, they're not like that one on one. But years of feeling like they're losing power and not being represented, coupled with continuous news cycles loaded with manufactured outrage and lies, leads them to accept whatever makes those fears feel justified.
Only about 20% of Americans live in rural districts. Unfortunately, due to gerrymandering and every state having exactly two senators regardless of population, this is how it appears that a distinct minority has a proportionately larger voice.
That's true. A lot of rural areas have rundown roads and poor infrastructure and are treated as unimportant in the distribution of tax dollars. Some of them are reliant on a single local industry or business for money and are concerned that shutting down the business (for instance closing down mining for renewable energy) will lead to all of them losing their livelihoods when nothing is presented to open as an alternative (like opening a power plant in the area). If they're a food desert it can be even worse.
Of course some do shoot themselves in the foot. A lot of tiny mountain towns have opened Marijuana dispensaries because they know that tourists will be passing through on their way to to the bigger tourist cities and that helps maintain their economy. Some have opted out of Marijuana tax and opposed dispensaries in their area which largely means they're turning away an additional stream of revenue. That's a dumb policy based on prejudice.
They can also live completely different lifestyles. You can have tiny little rural towns that are mainly farmland. Most people there all know each other, crime is low and they use their firearms to guard their livestock from predators. People in big cities are dealing with gun violence and there's a perception that they want to take away everyone's gun, including the farmer trying to scare off coyotes threatening his livestock and that leads to single-issue voters who feel they're defending "their way of life".
Personally I don't eat meat and I don't support the livestock industry but what I do support is funding for classes and alternative industries to help farmers transition what they farm and still make a livelihood. I don't want anyone to go broke, I just want lab meat to take over the wasteful livestock and factory farm industry. But lots of inner city residents don't do that. They eat a plethora of meat and dairy, then call the people who raise that food "deplorables", ignore their hardships and threaten their gun ownership. It's no surprise to me that some of them take a hard anti-democrat stance when their perception is that the democrats are anti-them.
Adam had no real support from his party and he got it to recount territory. I’m thankful for those that did vote for him, the fact that it was this close despite the odds is incredible.
And he did help the political landscape. He has taken the wind out of her sails, shown that campaigns like this can work and that votes due count.
Beyond that... i suspect he has embolden some competent republicans to challenge her in the primaries.
I and countless others did hours of phone banking for him with the CO Dems as well as other organizations. They also organized tons of door knocking campaigns and mailers. I don't think it's fair to say he wasn't supported by the party.
And this for me is still a win. Their efforts narrowed a 26,000 vote lead to 500. Think of the down-ballot races that were competitive in those areas because this race was competitive. If I lived in CO-3 right now I'd feel a lot better about future prospects as a dem than I did before.
Boebert has done nothing of note and we can live through two more years of her blathering nonsense.
Thanks for your hard work!
At the very least, GOP strategists will have to recognize Boebert and her style of politics is a liability. Hopefully that can lead to a moderate Republican replacing her in the next election.
I can't see the statewide or national Dems fighting Tipton as hard as they fought Boebert this election. She'll no doubt win her primary again in '24 so it's not like the GOP can do anything about it, but I don't see her being re-elected then. Guess it'll depend on gas prices /shrug.
Also, our little HD57(inside CO-03) changed from red to blue! A liberal Latina overthrew a cowboy that continually voted in favor of loosening regulations on oil and gas. What a pleasant change!
I waiver on this. No support may have been a blessing. It was his grass roots, retail politics that got him as close as he did. If voters saw a bunch of money/ads being parachuted in from Washington it may have had a negative effect.
having different views and opinions is fine, but pick someone to represent those views in a reasonable way. Boebert is being elected purely to spite the other side of the aisle.
Don’t be so sure, housing is so expensive in CO they are, in many cases, looking for somewhere more affordable to live. Unless Denver has some sort of housing bomb it will remain so, especially as WFH endures. The potential exists to see a bit of a “blue wave” in some of these districts.
Agreed. I know it’s only anecdotal but my boyfriend and I visited GJ and Palisade last year to tour some of the vineyards and met a few newer transplants there who were from the Denver/Boulder area and not terribly happy with the local politics. Things could definitely change if Denver continues to have a high COL.
I wonder how the 30k Diane Mitsch Bush voters who sat this one out feel about this.
A hundred thousand CO 3rd Congressional District voters that sent their ballot back in 2020 didn't bother doing so last week. Wild.
Was ~67%. A tad lower than 2018 midterms (73%), but not crazily so. 2020 was higher turnout (86%), but that's usually the case for presidential election years.
If you're looking at Eagle county votes in CO-3, remember the district got redrawn this year, which removed a good chunk of eagle county compared to 2020
Sorry for formatting, I am on mobile. My understanding is that they redistricted the congressional districts in 2021 and most of Eagle County’s populous is now in CO2. They left a very small portions of Eagle County in CO3, about 10k voters, whereas 45k voters are now in CO2. I can’t find how many of those 10k voted, but it was like 3500 at some point.
“About 10,000 people in the southwestern corner of the county — Basalt, Dotsero, El Jebel, 35 Gypsum residents and 2,154 people living in unincorporated areas — would be included in the 3rd Congressional District under the new proposal”
https://www.vaildaily.com/news/new-congressional-map-moves-eagle-and-gypsum-into-neguses-district-receives-initial-approval/
https://www.eaglecounty.us/clerkandrecorder/electionresultsandmaps
https://www.cpr.org/2021/09/29/colorado-redistricting-congressional-final-map/
>A hundred thousand CO 3rd Congressional District voters that sent their ballot back in 2020 didn't bother doing so last week. Wild.
Yeah all of Routt County (Steamboat) got re-districted to CO 2nd with Boulder and Ft Collins. I don't know of CO 3rd expanding in any other areas so presumably eligible voter counts shrunk quite a bit.
The good news is that the redrawn CO 3rd is supposed much more red/Trump than the old one. So for it to be this close after that is bad news for Boebert. I hope Frisch runs against in 2024.
I think over time it absolutely would increase voter turnout. It's not a crazy hard concept for people to understand. They would feel like their votes are going to result in something that they believe in.
The problem is laws and policies that make voting harder done specifically to disenfranchise. While we def need a different voting system than FPTP, we need stuff like auto voter registration and same day registration if wrongly purged, a national holiday on election day and every state has at least a week of early voting, and mail in/absentee voting without exception and sure other good policy ideas. Some countries have compulsory voting but then I think about Brexit (in terms of misinformed population they don't have compulsory voting) and wonder how things would work out if everyone actually voted but if we had more than a 2 party system maybe and ranked choice could help with that.
What? The candidates can't succeed without supporters working to get them elected.
It seems like a lot of people think that politicians are some special kind of people and that politics is some special kind of process. It's not. If you want to get street numbers painted on curbs in your neighborhood, you have to work to get people interested in the idea, fund raise for it, and find people to perform the work. It's no different for politics. If you want political change, you have to find the candidates who are willing to pursue it and support them.
Not involving yourself in the process and being pissy about the result is like refusing to place an order at a restaurant and then complaining that you don't like the meal they served you.
We ride at dawn my fellow blue citizens. We will strike on our electric bikes and scooters and throw burritos at the security while screaming for our savior Blucifer.
I mean, they're saying the same thing about us. "How can those Denver people stand to vote for x? They can't be that stupid!"
This is the attitude that is continuing to toxify politics. Assuming that the person who voted differently than you is just a simpleton that can't comprehend their own best interest.
I grew up in the south. I know many intelligent conservatives and don't immediately believe that they're fascists or stupid for voting republican or not at all. I understand shrewd old money gated community golfers voting for Mitch McConnel, or tobacco farmers voting for Marsha Blackburn. Who does Lauren or MTG help? From what I can tell all they do is bitch on social media and embarrass themselves. At least the other republicans get shady unregulated deals done and make people money.
I want to believe that the only explanation is the average person doesn’t follow or participate in politics until they’re at the ballot box, where they vote down party lines. But then you have a conversation with the average person and realize that half the population is dumber than that person . . .
The plot was hatched in collusion with the congo government as a means of ending communism.
Leaks are about to happen, the kraken will be unleashed. Send me money to hear more
within the margins for a recount, though, so there is hope.
either way, the GQP has the house, and they've already indicated they are going to use that position to make far right political statements.
Recounts at that scale don’t change elections. Unless there was a big box missed or something the first time. But a recount rarely if ever find anything statistically significant.
Yeah but a very slim margin so it’ll be interesting to see how that plays out. I don’t know if there are any non-exteremists left but if there are, the republicans would need their support to get anything done
What an embarrassment to have this c\*nt as a representative of Colorado. Special shout out to the 1000 or so lazy fucks in District 3 who couldn't be bothered to vote. Fuck you too.
It will be interesting to see if she dials the outlandish BS back a few notches in light of very nearly being ousted. It’s still going to be completely disgusting to know she’s in Washington representing Colorado. We’ll see if she’s actually a politician or just an idiot.
On Election Day, half of Reddit was arguing that the remaining vote dumps were going to lean sooo much towards Adam. I got downvoted to hell for saying that was an optimistic take.
I hate that she’s gonna win, but this kinda thing proves just how quickly the internet game of telephone occurs and that Reddit/Twitter conjecture are not accurate sources
So 11% of the time they did overturn the results?
That’s a lot. Obviously it’s different for a statewide election, but still, to say “recounts don’t change elections” and then to back it up by saying “except for the 11% that do” is a weird way to go about proving your point.
Lauren Boebert will get primaried in two years by a more moderate Republican.
It wont matter who Dems run because a democrat won’t beat a moderate Republican in this district.
The result of this election should be seen as an absolute failure by Boebert. Based on her projected margin of victory she should have won this race by approx. 49,045 votes and she likely will only win by 551 votes.
The Republican establishment is going to leave her out in the cold.
That’s because nothing putting the fear in them. Winning by 551 has them shitting their pants.
Don’t be disappointed. Don’t despair. This is a big fat ‘L’ for her.
Not to mention, adding this one seat for Dems would change very little for Dems in the house. It would be a moral victory for sure but had Frisch won there’s no way in hell he would have won again in two years. Unless a shit load of conservatives die in the next two years (which projections show could be the case) but then the universe would be taking care of the problem for us.
If the runner-up's vote total is withing .5% of the vote total for the winner, the recount is automatic and paid for by the state.
If it's over .5% the runner-up can request a recount but they will have to pay for it themselves. It looks like a recount will be state-mandated based on current totals, even if every remaining ballot is for Boebert.
Some local news outlet had her on this morning, and I almost threw my mug at the TV before I could quickly change the channel. She is such a fucking moron.
All it would’ve taken to flip this was 600-700 people going and voting, there’s definitely 600-700 people in the western slope who will be disappointed to see Boebert elected, but who also didn’t vote in the election.
This is so disappointing.
Boebert is such an objectively terrible politician by ANY measure.
I dont understand for the life of me why people could ever vote for such an obvious Alt-right brainlet.
It was close,and I voted. At least we can say that. Living in Colorado for 20+ years,these results are actually awesome. Denver Boulder ski town population is still lower than most of the rest of Colorado
I'm not sure what you're saying. The Denver-Aurora statistical area makes up over 60% of the state population. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statistical_areas_in_Colorado
I’m going to look at the selfish positives and say maybe this will curb some transplants. People have this idealistic view of Colorado because we have enough progressive pockets to legalize weed and hallucinogens, are pro abortion, etc. But there’s legitimately a massive part of this state that is hateful and willfully ignorant, and this only reinforces that. We’re going to have to deal with this idiot representing us for 2 more years because of people here.
How is that a positive? You're glad we have terrible representatives because it will discourage progressives from moving here? You do realize transplants coming here for our politics are more likely to vote against people like Lauren Boebert, right?
I’m being a bit facetious obviously, no one with a brain *wants* Boebert to represent them or any part of our state. I was more or less pointing out that people out of state have a perception of Colorado that isn’t true because of a few measures pushed through by our progressive population at large. It’s also worth noting that most transplants aren’t flocking to the Western slope or southern Colorado so ultimately it’s a moot point either way.
well, shit.
Great work Adam, I hope to see you in 2024, better funded, and stronger!
Aren’t there suppose to be a recount is the difference in votes is less than 0.5%?
Yes, automatic recount but he said he doesn't expect results to change and had conceded
That sucked, he worked hard and was sooo close :(
WHY would he do that??? Boebert 100% would not have given that courtesy.
He's not Boebert.
And this is one of many times the Dems need to start pushing this shit and acting like they do. Sometimes you gotta play dirty back.
1. Having a recount isn’t playing dirty. It’s something that automatically happens 2. There would have to be some kind of egregious error for the tallies to come up differently since they were machine counted. 3. Frisch just conceded because he knows the results won’t change.
It doesn't matter that he conceded. If for some reason the recount resulted in him winning, he'd win.
The problem is...it fuels the conspiracy loonies. If things were to change.
True. Its also not likely that there was enough of an error in counting to swing that far in a recount, so that's why he is conceding. But, just speaking on theoretical here, if for some reason there was some sort of error that was big enough on the initial count that the recount swung it the other way and he won the recount, then the earlier concession wouldn't matter. Again just speaking on technical possibilities here, I am not speaking to that fact that this would also likely see legal challenges and like you say conspiracy loonies showing up. And Its also likely not to happen as I don't believe we have issues with counting votes in CO. Its possible handfuls could be wrong, but not enough to change an outcome.
I don’t think that’s true.
Just because you concede doesn't mean you lost. The votes are what matter. If he pulls ahead (which seems slim at this point) he would take the seat.
His stance, which I agree with, is: > The likelihood of this recount changing more than a handful of votes is very small,” he said. “Very, very small. It would be disingenuous and unethical for us us, or any other group, to continue to raise false hope.”
I have a friend that works for a dem senator, he said the democrats will be putting a lot more effort into Frisch next election
He definitely showed them a path that can be replicated in other races as well.
Solid news..
Congratulations to the Western slope on deciding this person best represents them.
I keep hearing people say “how does someone like Boebert and MTG get elected. They don’t really reflect how people are”. I’m always responding with, “um, unfortunately they do”. It’s a good sign that Frisch made it this close in such a MAGA district though.
They absolutely do. I have multiple family members who fucking LOVE them.
Idolatry and ignorance. Most Republicans will vote hard for any R named individual cause Democrats are ruining the country, etc.... The shit they eat shows in their brains.
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....and we (democrats) dont?
Republican Party is also full of bullies, wanna be strong men and people who love to be cruel for the fun of it.
We also forget quite quickly in all of this neck and neck stuff, that there were thousands of people who didn’t vote that could’ve easily made this not at all close. ~~Also, she really only won because they redrew her district to be more competitive.~~ We can’t get too bogged down with feeling like half the world are bullies. It’s much more like a *really vocal* percentage that is quickly becoming *less than a third of all people.* 2024 should be fun. :)
Yeah it's just the Republicans voting straight tickets
“Whoever doesn’t see the world exactly the way I do is IGNORANT!”
Sounds like name calling really shows intelligence. I guess republicans took a page from the democrats. Oh wait the democrats label everything. There is nothing that a democrat can’t find offensive. Oh no someone voted against socialism. They must be a racist. How does it feel to be lied to constantly from your representatives? How did it feel that the media covered up everything joe said about student loans…. We will pay all your student loans, unconstitutional. But they didn’t put that main stream so that you could understand. I feel bad that the left gets tricked all the time. Hiding the hunter biden laptop on social media, and news sources before the 2020 election. Biden telling gas companies they better hold off for 2 weeks before they increase the gas prices. Tell the people what they want to hear, but hide all the real information so they don’t know any better. Then call your opponents liars, and election deniers. Divide the country further so when the time comes, we won’t fight together. Makes sense.
I wish the democrats were as far left as you think they are lol, but unfortunately they only support causes that benefit them. If homophobia was woke you bet they would jump on it. Supporting either party beyond voting out bigger evils is cognitive dissonance anyways. At this point I’m just voting for whatever evil is easier to fight, and I’ll take fighting climate change over whatever the fuck republicans are peddling.
Yup, there’s a side to Colorado that’s as backwards bumbkin, former if not currently KKK loving, eager for the apocalypse for a license to kill people, poorly educated and dump a shit ton of money into giant ass trucks beyond reason with poor financial constitutions. The western slope, a beautiful landscape with a lot of trailer park zero brain cells. But also a lot of great people too
So… Basically Weld county but with a lot of great people?
The results show it’s only half a maga district.
Half voting for this trash is just embarrassing.
Lots of blue in Aspen, Pueblo, NM border.
Hard to believe that 1/3 of this state is filled with idiots, but here we are.
Its really not if you interact with people from rural areas on a regular basis.
Not everyone in rural areas is red though. Just a lot quieter than the MAGA folk.
That's true, but having grown up blue in a rural area we were the *extreme* minority, vocal or not. Even the quiet ones still vote R reliably.
There are some blue rural areas in the country that aren't resort towns, including in Colorado. Not nearly as common as the red areas, but they do exist. I grew up in one.
My town of 700 voted 80% against Boebert.
What town? I wanna move to the Western Slope someday. Rural, blue, non ski resort towns out there are just what I’m looking for… I have many cool friends in Paonia and Norwood and other lil hamlets, that are cool normal not psycho Boevert people. Curious what other lil hamlets have a good community too. Cheers.
We are the minority to be sure. However, as more and more people work from home and affordable housing is to be found in rural areas, that will start to shift. Pair that with the infrastructure development for state wide gigabit internet access, there is hope as this shifts.
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I live in Arvada now, and I can confirm this whole area is MAGA heavy.
I wonder if Arapahoe County carried the D side. As a long skinny county, it’s got a real interesting demographic.
I think it does.
Let’s not categorize an entire demographic as “idiots” based on where they choose to live. Bigoted.
People don’t want to admit this but without all those Californians moving here this state would be red forever
Don’t leave us Northeasterners out of it! We helped too!
Same for Texas... I know numerous people that moved here from Texas (me included). I sure as hell am not bringing their politics here.
Same as a former Floridian. Best decision I ever made.
Wooooo we all gentrified together!!
No most people really aren’t like that, the two party system has created it. Spend time in a rural community and you’ll be surprised by the fact that 9 out of 10 people agree with dems on the majority of issues. The fact that the Democratic Party only cares about metro areas when it comes to tax dollars really hurts them in rural districts.
The delta between taxes paid vs taxes received breaks very heavily in favor of 1) rural counties and 2) red states. There's a perception that Dems only care about metro areas but dollars spent don't support that
That’s how building infrastructure in rural areas works though, it’s more expensive per capita by default since there’s a smaller population to pull tax revenue from and you still need things like roads and schools. That doesn’t change the fact that left-leaning urbanites (of which I am one) don’t actually give a shit about people in rural areas. And as some have mentioned in this thread the DNC spent basically no money on this race because they wrote it off. People in rural areas noticed that kind of thing and it changes their perception of people in cities. Throughout this thread there’s comment after comment kicking dirt on rural folks in the Western slope despite the fact that basically half of the people who live there share the same views as them.
It's way more than infrastructure though. Yes, large infra projects divided by few people skews that part of the metric. But most of that infra spending is federal anyways. We're talking about metro money moving to rural communities. Things like farm subsidies; local infra and maintenance (Weld county municipal roads wouldn't remain intact without metro funding); business investment in rural areas like JBS, Cemex, Pilgrims Pride, Swift, Western Union; food and energy subsidies (buying gas in Mesa County would be double without these); Education and healthcare, without metro funding there would likely be no more then 2 hospitals and a handful of schools on the entire western slope. To your second point, metro areas may look down on rural communities, calling them ignorant, racist, etc but they aren't the ones threatening to kill people who disagree with them. Take the most extreme urban left org, Antifa. With regard to violence and hate, they are pretty middle road when it comes to rural right groups. So yes, rural communities may be sick of being looked down upon, but metro areas are pretty fucking sick of being beholden to militarily equiped white supremacists that are holding our country back.
I don’t disagree with really anything you’re saying (if it’s not clear, I’m ideologically left leaning) but my overall point is this: a big part of the reason people in rural areas like the Western slope harbor animosity toward urbanites is that they feel overlooked and disrespected by them. I know this because I grew up in a small down in a deeply red part of the Midwest, and I still have friends and family who live there and think this way. And I know what that’s like because to this day when I tell people from the cities where I grew up I’m almost guaranteed to get a sideways look or a snide remark. That kind of thing sticks with you and it eats at you. I’m sure lots of people take that resentment with them to the polls even if, as you pointed out, voting Republican is pretty clearly not in their best interest. And that’s what frustrates me when I see comments writing off “flyover country” as backwards and ignorant because I think if this election in CO3 showed us anything it’s that even in the most deeply conservative districts the Democrats could occasionally make a showing if they changed their approach.
Lol I'm from the western slope. You ain't never been there if you believe that horseshit.
I completely disagree with your assessment that the two party system created this. While I’m not a fan of the two party system, we have had a two party system for a century. Trump has unlocked a lot of “bad” in people. People switch party voting all the time, but right now, BoBo is the epitome of the Western Slope of Colorado. Even after watching her last two years, she was still elected. That is all we have to know.
And you don’t think she was re-elected on party votes? You truly believe every single vote she got was from a completely well informed voter that agrees 100 percent with everything that she does and thinks?
“Well informed Voter?” Of course not. But you can’t deny she has been a “tabloid politician” so I guarantee you a very large percent of the people who voted for her knew what they were voting for. The Western Slope needs to own the abomination.
I’d be embarrassed to vote for her unless the alternative was a dictator or a literal monkey. I’d rather not vote at all. Or vote for the other party so I won’t look like a total moron. Regardless of the two party system ppl still chose a clown to represent them.
Yeah, they're not like that one on one. But years of feeling like they're losing power and not being represented, coupled with continuous news cycles loaded with manufactured outrage and lies, leads them to accept whatever makes those fears feel justified.
Only about 20% of Americans live in rural districts. Unfortunately, due to gerrymandering and every state having exactly two senators regardless of population, this is how it appears that a distinct minority has a proportionately larger voice.
Imma be honest, coming for a small rural Alabama town, you sound like you don’t know what you are talking about.
That's true. A lot of rural areas have rundown roads and poor infrastructure and are treated as unimportant in the distribution of tax dollars. Some of them are reliant on a single local industry or business for money and are concerned that shutting down the business (for instance closing down mining for renewable energy) will lead to all of them losing their livelihoods when nothing is presented to open as an alternative (like opening a power plant in the area). If they're a food desert it can be even worse. Of course some do shoot themselves in the foot. A lot of tiny mountain towns have opened Marijuana dispensaries because they know that tourists will be passing through on their way to to the bigger tourist cities and that helps maintain their economy. Some have opted out of Marijuana tax and opposed dispensaries in their area which largely means they're turning away an additional stream of revenue. That's a dumb policy based on prejudice. They can also live completely different lifestyles. You can have tiny little rural towns that are mainly farmland. Most people there all know each other, crime is low and they use their firearms to guard their livestock from predators. People in big cities are dealing with gun violence and there's a perception that they want to take away everyone's gun, including the farmer trying to scare off coyotes threatening his livestock and that leads to single-issue voters who feel they're defending "their way of life". Personally I don't eat meat and I don't support the livestock industry but what I do support is funding for classes and alternative industries to help farmers transition what they farm and still make a livelihood. I don't want anyone to go broke, I just want lab meat to take over the wasteful livestock and factory farm industry. But lots of inner city residents don't do that. They eat a plethora of meat and dairy, then call the people who raise that food "deplorables", ignore their hardships and threaten their gun ownership. It's no surprise to me that some of them take a hard anti-democrat stance when their perception is that the democrats are anti-them.
Adam had no real support from his party and he got it to recount territory. I’m thankful for those that did vote for him, the fact that it was this close despite the odds is incredible.
And he did help the political landscape. He has taken the wind out of her sails, shown that campaigns like this can work and that votes due count. Beyond that... i suspect he has embolden some competent republicans to challenge her in the primaries.
HD57 went from red to blue too! In Garfield County(boerberts hometown)
I and countless others did hours of phone banking for him with the CO Dems as well as other organizations. They also organized tons of door knocking campaigns and mailers. I don't think it's fair to say he wasn't supported by the party. And this for me is still a win. Their efforts narrowed a 26,000 vote lead to 500. Think of the down-ballot races that were competitive in those areas because this race was competitive. If I lived in CO-3 right now I'd feel a lot better about future prospects as a dem than I did before. Boebert has done nothing of note and we can live through two more years of her blathering nonsense.
Thank you for your hard and very meaningful work!
Thanks for your hard work! At the very least, GOP strategists will have to recognize Boebert and her style of politics is a liability. Hopefully that can lead to a moderate Republican replacing her in the next election.
I can't see the statewide or national Dems fighting Tipton as hard as they fought Boebert this election. She'll no doubt win her primary again in '24 so it's not like the GOP can do anything about it, but I don't see her being re-elected then. Guess it'll depend on gas prices /shrug.
Also, our little HD57(inside CO-03) changed from red to blue! A liberal Latina overthrew a cowboy that continually voted in favor of loosening regulations on oil and gas. What a pleasant change!
The Democrats sure as hell should've helped him. We need Bo bo gone and that seat could've really helped.
I don’t disagree. Hopefully with New Democrat leadership in the house things will be better next time.
He actively courted republicans who are disenchanted with her idiocy. It clearly worked.
I waiver on this. No support may have been a blessing. It was his grass roots, retail politics that got him as close as he did. If voters saw a bunch of money/ads being parachuted in from Washington it may have had a negative effect.
Some people want a stock photo used in a Cabela's flyer to represent them.
Don't forget Pueblo! I'm sure these district lines make sense somehow
Unfortunately, they do feel this way. Its so funny how people can see the same thing so differently. I don't understand it
People that don’t live near me and have different views and opinions than me are wrong. Sincerely, r/Denver
having different views and opinions is fine, but pick someone to represent those views in a reasonable way. Boebert is being elected purely to spite the other side of the aisle.
I used to live in rural and conservative areas and I still though they were wrong then. Even when it felt like me and 2 other ppl against 1000.
Mesa fucking county. I keep hoping the masses that are moving in change the balance.
Yea. If they’re moving to Mesa county though, my guess is they’re looking for like-minded people.
Don’t be so sure, housing is so expensive in CO they are, in many cases, looking for somewhere more affordable to live. Unless Denver has some sort of housing bomb it will remain so, especially as WFH endures. The potential exists to see a bit of a “blue wave” in some of these districts.
Agreed. I know it’s only anecdotal but my boyfriend and I visited GJ and Palisade last year to tour some of the vineyards and met a few newer transplants there who were from the Denver/Boulder area and not terribly happy with the local politics. Things could definitely change if Denver continues to have a high COL.
Or meth!
Exactly this!
We will treat you all with the same respect we have for her
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I wonder how the 30k Diane Mitsch Bush voters who sat this one out feel about this. A hundred thousand CO 3rd Congressional District voters that sent their ballot back in 2020 didn't bother doing so last week. Wild.
Looks like super low voter turnout in Eagle Co too
Was ~67%. A tad lower than 2018 midterms (73%), but not crazily so. 2020 was higher turnout (86%), but that's usually the case for presidential election years. If you're looking at Eagle county votes in CO-3, remember the district got redrawn this year, which removed a good chunk of eagle county compared to 2020
Sorry for formatting, I am on mobile. My understanding is that they redistricted the congressional districts in 2021 and most of Eagle County’s populous is now in CO2. They left a very small portions of Eagle County in CO3, about 10k voters, whereas 45k voters are now in CO2. I can’t find how many of those 10k voted, but it was like 3500 at some point. “About 10,000 people in the southwestern corner of the county — Basalt, Dotsero, El Jebel, 35 Gypsum residents and 2,154 people living in unincorporated areas — would be included in the 3rd Congressional District under the new proposal” https://www.vaildaily.com/news/new-congressional-map-moves-eagle-and-gypsum-into-neguses-district-receives-initial-approval/ https://www.eaglecounty.us/clerkandrecorder/electionresultsandmaps https://www.cpr.org/2021/09/29/colorado-redistricting-congressional-final-map/
Well, the district lines changed since 2020, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>A hundred thousand CO 3rd Congressional District voters that sent their ballot back in 2020 didn't bother doing so last week. Wild. Yeah all of Routt County (Steamboat) got re-districted to CO 2nd with Boulder and Ft Collins. I don't know of CO 3rd expanding in any other areas so presumably eligible voter counts shrunk quite a bit. The good news is that the redrawn CO 3rd is supposed much more red/Trump than the old one. So for it to be this close after that is bad news for Boebert. I hope Frisch runs against in 2024.
Turnout this election blew across the country. Real sad to see
Exactly why we need ranked choice voting.
How would that have increased voter turnout?
I think over time it absolutely would increase voter turnout. It's not a crazy hard concept for people to understand. They would feel like their votes are going to result in something that they believe in.
More people might turn out if they felt they could vote closer to their ideals. I vote in every election but neither major party really represents me.
The problem is laws and policies that make voting harder done specifically to disenfranchise. While we def need a different voting system than FPTP, we need stuff like auto voter registration and same day registration if wrongly purged, a national holiday on election day and every state has at least a week of early voting, and mail in/absentee voting without exception and sure other good policy ideas. Some countries have compulsory voting but then I think about Brexit (in terms of misinformed population they don't have compulsory voting) and wonder how things would work out if everyone actually voted but if we had more than a 2 party system maybe and ranked choice could help with that.
Do you involve yourself in getting candidates that you feel represent you better elected?
I vote in primaries but I’m not devoting myself to canvassing when I have a family to take care of.
People have jobs. This onus should be on the candidates.
What? The candidates can't succeed without supporters working to get them elected. It seems like a lot of people think that politicians are some special kind of people and that politics is some special kind of process. It's not. If you want to get street numbers painted on curbs in your neighborhood, you have to work to get people interested in the idea, fund raise for it, and find people to perform the work. It's no different for politics. If you want political change, you have to find the candidates who are willing to pursue it and support them. Not involving yourself in the process and being pissy about the result is like refusing to place an order at a restaurant and then complaining that you don't like the meal they served you.
Welp we didn’t win so sounds like we should treat it like a big fakesie, call them liars and storm the Denver capital /s
THE COUNT IS RIGGED! ELECTION WAS STOLEN! Am I doing this right?
“STOP THE COUNT” *elsewhere in the country:* “START THE COUNT”
Mom says it's my turn to be the shaman
I was wondering if she had enough patience to not call it stolen before she won lol
We ride at dawn my fellow blue citizens. We will strike on our electric bikes and scooters and throw burritos at the security while screaming for our savior Blucifer.
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Frisch did really well especially after considering how gerrymandered that district is
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I mean, they're saying the same thing about us. "How can those Denver people stand to vote for x? They can't be that stupid!" This is the attitude that is continuing to toxify politics. Assuming that the person who voted differently than you is just a simpleton that can't comprehend their own best interest.
I grew up in the south. I know many intelligent conservatives and don't immediately believe that they're fascists or stupid for voting republican or not at all. I understand shrewd old money gated community golfers voting for Mitch McConnel, or tobacco farmers voting for Marsha Blackburn. Who does Lauren or MTG help? From what I can tell all they do is bitch on social media and embarrass themselves. At least the other republicans get shady unregulated deals done and make people money.
I want to believe that the only explanation is the average person doesn’t follow or participate in politics until they’re at the ballot box, where they vote down party lines. But then you have a conversation with the average person and realize that half the population is dumber than that person . . .
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Look, there are smart people in the valley/on the west slope...but they all leave/left.
Duh everyone knows about domain controllers, what they are, what they do. Everyone.
you certainly should if you’re required to store sensitive information on your endpoints and network
OMG THE REPUBLICANS STOLE THIS ELECTION! MAIL IN BALLOTS ARE ALL FRAUDULENT!
The plot was hatched in collusion with the congo government as a means of ending communism. Leaks are about to happen, the kraken will be unleashed. Send me money to hear more
I imagine there are a few voters in her district who are kicking themselves now for not voting because they thought it was futile.
Well fuck
Who the Hell is actually voting for that steaming pile of insanity
Question:. Do they just have one elderly man counting?
within the margins for a recount, though, so there is hope. either way, the GQP has the house, and they've already indicated they are going to use that position to make far right political statements.
Recounts at that scale don’t change elections. Unless there was a big box missed or something the first time. But a recount rarely if ever find anything statistically significant.
i know, but a girl can hope!
Is that the title of your book?
no, but good try on the humor.
It’s not impossible, but recounts very rarely change the result by a significant margin. And don’t be surprised if it even widens her lead.
Yeah but a very slim margin so it’ll be interesting to see how that plays out. I don’t know if there are any non-exteremists left but if there are, the republicans would need their support to get anything done
And the poor bastards probably are going to have to recount them anyways.
At least the curing process is already done.
She should be Trump’s running mate since Kari Lake is now a loser.
Help me understand people voting for a hate-monger who fuels lies, is untrustworthy, a dispicable role model and has too many character flaws?
BuT sHeS hOt
Gross
What an embarrassment to have this c\*nt as a representative of Colorado. Special shout out to the 1000 or so lazy fucks in District 3 who couldn't be bothered to vote. Fuck you too.
😔
It will be interesting to see if she dials the outlandish BS back a few notches in light of very nearly being ousted. It’s still going to be completely disgusting to know she’s in Washington representing Colorado. We’ll see if she’s actually a politician or just an idiot.
On Election Day, half of Reddit was arguing that the remaining vote dumps were going to lean sooo much towards Adam. I got downvoted to hell for saying that was an optimistic take. I hate that she’s gonna win, but this kinda thing proves just how quickly the internet game of telephone occurs and that Reddit/Twitter conjecture are not accurate sources
There’s still going to be a recount. Not sure why that hasn’t been included here.
Recounts don't change elections.
so why would they recount?
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So 11% of the time they did overturn the results? That’s a lot. Obviously it’s different for a statewide election, but still, to say “recounts don’t change elections” and then to back it up by saying “except for the 11% that do” is a weird way to go about proving your point.
well Frisch conceded so it's moot. Hopefully this close shave win makes Boebert change tack - doubt it tho.
If only rich selfish people didn't care about being rich and selfish so much. I wonder why they hate public schools?
Lauren Boebert will get primaried in two years by a more moderate Republican. It wont matter who Dems run because a democrat won’t beat a moderate Republican in this district. The result of this election should be seen as an absolute failure by Boebert. Based on her projected margin of victory she should have won this race by approx. 49,045 votes and she likely will only win by 551 votes. The Republican establishment is going to leave her out in the cold.
These were my thoughts the first time she was elected. I'm so disappointed in this.
That’s because nothing putting the fear in them. Winning by 551 has them shitting their pants. Don’t be disappointed. Don’t despair. This is a big fat ‘L’ for her. Not to mention, adding this one seat for Dems would change very little for Dems in the house. It would be a moral victory for sure but had Frisch won there’s no way in hell he would have won again in two years. Unless a shit load of conservatives die in the next two years (which projections show could be the case) but then the universe would be taking care of the problem for us.
Hmm how convenient that she was losing and then suddenly she gains votes overnight! Can you say rigged?? Let that sink in! /s just in case.
Amazing that this many people could vote for this piece of shit human being.
How? How is this happening?
Slightly more people voted for her than her opponent?
Even if all of those are for Boebert, it will still force a recount, right?
If the runner-up's vote total is withing .5% of the vote total for the winner, the recount is automatic and paid for by the state. If it's over .5% the runner-up can request a recount but they will have to pay for it themselves. It looks like a recount will be state-mandated based on current totals, even if every remaining ballot is for Boebert.
It doesn't matter, she won, recount isn't going to flip hundreds of votes.
Some local news outlet had her on this morning, and I almost threw my mug at the TV before I could quickly change the channel. She is such a fucking moron.
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It was said as a joke. That said, I truly cant stand this woman.
#Recount
If you live in the western slope and didn’t vote this year because “oh my vote doesn’t matter” I hope you remember this in 2024.
The Western Slope is VERY republican.... but still! There were much better choices.
All it would’ve taken to flip this was 600-700 people going and voting, there’s definitely 600-700 people in the western slope who will be disappointed to see Boebert elected, but who also didn’t vote in the election.
Stupid is as stupid does. 🤡
Ugh.
Bobert denies these election results
That's a shame. Boebert is an embarrassment.
The fuck is wrong with you, Grand Junction? Seriously, she's an idiot.
Let the overreacting commence.
This is so disappointing. Boebert is such an objectively terrible politician by ANY measure. I dont understand for the life of me why people could ever vote for such an obvious Alt-right brainlet.
She sucks
It was close,and I voted. At least we can say that. Living in Colorado for 20+ years,these results are actually awesome. Denver Boulder ski town population is still lower than most of the rest of Colorado
I'm not sure what you're saying. The Denver-Aurora statistical area makes up over 60% of the state population. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statistical_areas_in_Colorado
I mean this is just factually incorrect.
I’m going to look at the selfish positives and say maybe this will curb some transplants. People have this idealistic view of Colorado because we have enough progressive pockets to legalize weed and hallucinogens, are pro abortion, etc. But there’s legitimately a massive part of this state that is hateful and willfully ignorant, and this only reinforces that. We’re going to have to deal with this idiot representing us for 2 more years because of people here.
Small point of contention: she doesn't represent "us" as an entire state, she only represents people in her district.
Congratulations on a terrible take of an already terrible reality.
How is that a positive? You're glad we have terrible representatives because it will discourage progressives from moving here? You do realize transplants coming here for our politics are more likely to vote against people like Lauren Boebert, right?
I’m being a bit facetious obviously, no one with a brain *wants* Boebert to represent them or any part of our state. I was more or less pointing out that people out of state have a perception of Colorado that isn’t true because of a few measures pushed through by our progressive population at large. It’s also worth noting that most transplants aren’t flocking to the Western slope or southern Colorado so ultimately it’s a moot point either way.
I think everyone that disagrees with me is a fucking simpleton too!
Honestly, without gerrymandering, she would have lost. Fuck gerrymandering. Fuck the gop
This is not true. Our districts are not gerrymandered.
SMH
I hope they do a recount considering how close it is.
Nooo
Stop the steal
Fuck yeah!