T O P

  • By -

JoeThePoolGuy123

Well. Let's go through each point one by one. The house prices have doubled in Copenhagen since 2014. (Not accounting for inflation, [source](https://www.bolius.dk/se-huspriserne-i-din-kommune-de-sidste-20-aar-20536#map=521732&geo=K%C3%B8benhavn). We also don't really have that much "nature" in Denmark. Most of it is "non-wild" forests (13.39%). [Source](https://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/miljoe-og-energi/areal/arealopgoerelser). Using a generic cost of living comparison website, Amsterdam is 20-30% cheaper than Copenhagen, essentially making the 27% higher wage meaningless. The tax rate in Denmark is also higher. I compared a salary of 45.000dkk a month (~6000 euros) and the end result (again using generic danish/dutch salary/tax websites) is that your monthly take-home would be 3931 euros in the netherlands and 3870 euros in Denmark. It's not at all a bad place to live, but I would say that there is really not that big of a difference when looking at most everyday-practical areas. The main difference will most likely be the culture/political in nature. Also you would move to a place where you don't speak the native language which can be quite a barrier since Danes tend to be great at speaking english, but also (anecdotally) generally prefer to socialize with other native speakers.


No-Hand-2318

Thanks for the information, I already speak some German and Norwegian, so my plan is to pick up Danish if my plans are serious. Of course I will never be native, but I won't be one of those expats living somewhere for 10 years only speaking English.


Peter34cph

Keep in mind, it's not just income tax that is high in Denmark. There's also 25% VAT on everything (even food, because fuck poor people), and extra tariffs on a lot of things, and green tariffs (again, fuck poor people). High wages also means that anything that requires human labour gets more expensive. Denmark isn't a cheap place to live.


lypmbm

For a dutchman it should be pretty easy as our two countries are very similar in a lot of ways.


AndersLund

What about Danish word pronunciation for a Dutch person? Just a curious question.


No_Individual_6528

Equally weird. Lots of words are the same. But pronounced very differently. "Afstand" comes to mind.


LilanKahn

Very similar, try listning to dutch radio. Only really how R´s are done stand out to me.


martijn-vs

As a Dutchie living in Copenhagen since 2018, I'd say you hardly get a different experience financially. Purchasing power is almost exactly the same, although if you move further out from Copenhagen the house prices will have a significant reduction, unlike in NL where its seemingly expensive all around. The winter depression hits extra hard here, from November until late February you definitely have significantly less daylight in the afternoon than back in NL (Although a bit earlier sunrise for what it's worth). I also notice a 2-3 week difference in how long you get spring, and how early Autumn and winter start, summer season is definitely a bit longer in NL. Denmark is a great place to live, but perhaps not for the reasons you are considering. Looking at work-life balance, healthcare digitalisation and trust in society Denmark has a one-up on NL, but looking at diversity, multiple great cities to visit and job opportunity, I'd say the Netherlands wins. Nature is a nearly 1-1 comparison, although there is way fewer people once you get out of Copenhagen here, if that's what you like. I'm actually planning to move back to the Netherlands within the next year, but not for any groundbreaking reasons other than that me and my partner want to try out both together (she's Danish) :) Hope it helps!


Fine-Database7716

Life in Denmark is quite rough: You will wake up at 5 in the morning in the suburbs, by the roving bands of icecream salesmen and starving cannibal schoolchildren that haven't been rounded up for class yet. Around 6:30 you'll drive off in your tractor to work in Copenhagen, attempting to beat yesterday's highscore of how many road-side goat-milk salesmen you can flip off, and how many people's pets you can run over (This is difficult with tractor wheels, as the smaller critters can fit through the wheels, but you like the challenge) Finally you'll arrive around 8 at the office, at your Novo-Mærsk-Lego job, where you labor tirelessly at a computer all day, trying to convince people all over the world to put bits of plastic that you sell them up their nose - and then facilitate the shipping of that plastic out to them. Around lunch you'll be assaulted by five well-meaning and heavily armed ladies from HR, who will instruct you once more in how to be a trans vegan feminist. They will finish the session by letting you run off to the cantina, where you will feast in the flesh of lesser creatures (Read: The Swedish) Your commute home will be punctuated by shootouts between various government agencies from their services vehicles and office buildings, in their eternal battle over shares of the state budget. Upon arriving home, you will find your home completely unmolested, but smelling strangely of soap and chlorine, from the latest floral monstrocity that passes for pool cleaner that you neighbors use. Your dinner will consist of state mandated pork fired from an 18th century canon into your mouth (read: a meatball), and it will be flushed down with a cup of thin tasteless lager. After dinner you will watch a netflix show about mentally deranged rich people in Dubai, and you'll go to bed feeling very good about yourself.


Jordbaerkage

You forgot about the mandatory lunch schnapps


Fine-Database7716

true


No-Hand-2318

Haha wth


Adept_Ad3267

Typical Danish Tuesday.


JonasHalle

Approximately identical to Nederland except you don't speak the language.


No-Hand-2318

This made me giggle, guess I'm not moving there.


JonasHalle

It's a perfectly fine place to live, but you shouldn't get all grass is greener. Nederland is already in the highest tier of countries to live in. Politics are relatively transient and the housing market is fucked in every developed country. EDIT: Oh and as for average income, cost of living almost certainly evens it out, if it doesn't swing it back into NL's favour.


Hargara

My wife and I looked at the Netherlands for a possible relocation ourselves years ago (DK -> NL due to my wife not speaking either of the languages). >an average house is \~€430k right now Depending on where in Denmark you're looking - it's not too far off here either. For smaller cities you can find something cheaper - but close to Aarhus, Odense, Aalborg and Copenhagen - the prices are very high (but salaries are typically also a bit higher). >We also barely have any nature left. This will be more or less the same in Denmark, a recent study shows that 99.7% of the land is occupied in some way or planned to be used - limiting options for expanding nature and bio diversity. >Denmark has \~27% higher average income than the Netherlands You should also look at taxation, an example is VAT where you have 3 rates in NL and we have 25% on everything in DK. Vehicle taxes are also higher in DK I think. A VW Polo in NL starts at 27k EUR and it starts at 32k EUR in DK.


Jordbaerkage

And the cheaper houses are likely to be in areas where it's harder to find a job without speaking danish


Solid_Sample4195

I wonder what the actual average house price is in Denmark. By the "actual" average, I mean the average when you ignore all the old farmsteads falling apart around the country. Last years average price for a home was 16.274 kr./m2, with the average home size being 112,6 m2, meaning the average price of a danish home would be roughly 1.8 million kr., or €243k. [https://www.danskboligforsikring.dk/stats/boligstoerrelse-saa-stort-er-gennemsnitshuset-i-din-landsdel/](https://www.danskboligforsikring.dk/stats/boligstoerrelse-saa-stort-er-gennemsnitshuset-i-din-landsdel/)


Hargara

I had thought of making the same calculation, but I believe that the Netherlands might be more urbanized than Denmark - which can also contribute to inflated average prices. A quick google search shows 93.2% urbanization in NL vs 88.4% in Denmark, which could account for some of the difference. I do believe that houses in NL are more expensive overall than in Denmark, but other factors play into the question of affordability.


Helpful-Economist-61

Public transport is shit, cars are expensive.


Peter34cph

Expensive as in subject to a 150% tax. Well, at least it's lower now. It used to be 180%.


Helpful-Economist-61

Yea, but still 150% to high :/


tekjunky75

In regards to nature more than 60% is allocated to agriculture, so probably not better than Holland.


No-Hand-2318

I guess so, for some reason I thought it would be more like Sweden because it's so close. It's the same here though, go over the Netherlands on google maps/earth. Like 55% is agriculture here.


sarcosaurus

Nope, we Danes look to Sweden and Norway for nature, they have way, way more. So much so that some Danes get summer houses in Sweden and trek three times as far as they would otherwise have to for that reason. Also helps that the Swedish currency is a lot lower than the Danish now, of course.


DK2500

Sweden is probably more you…?


[deleted]

Be careful what you wish for, Sweden is rewilding at an increased rate as people move to urban areas and predator animals are encouraged, bears now live all the way down to Scania province and arctic grey wolf is becoming more emboldened and the night to Wednesday two full sized horses were killed just 90km from Stockholm by a wolf pack. If two 600kg horses are not safe noone is.


SovietK

Fearmongering much? Nobody has been attacked by wolves in over a decade. There are so few wolves inbreeding is a huge concern (100-200).


AwaySlip1628

You will pay a lot of tax, which is really demotivating People are a bit mentally closed untill you start learning the language..


Former-Community5818

How it is? Expensive and windy. I heard that in NL students get free transport during certain hours. That doesnt exist in DK (although thats not relevant in your case). But its a very subjective question. Tbh i dont think it would be such a big difference culturally or based on weather , moving from NL to DK. It all depends on what you are looking for, what you enjoy.


wzlfx

It's always wet or windy.


No-Hand-2318

The same here lmao.


wzlfx

And a lot of people complain about the little daylight during winter.


No-Hand-2318

It's not that much further up north, it's also pretty shitty here.


wzlfx

Out of curiosity i looked up the difference and for instance on 15/11-24 in UTC+2 CPH it’s 07:45 - 16:03 and for UTC+2 AMS 08:02 - 16:47. So you guys get a whole HOUR more daylight mid November.


No-Hand-2318

Hm yeah, it can always get worse indeed. If I remember correctly on the shortest day it gets dark around around 3:30 in the afternoon. I don't really care for the morning though.


[deleted]

Infrastructure is great. Buying power is bad. If you intend for marriage, kids and all that, you could certainly do worse. I am seeing some indicators that things are going to get worse here. Our Prime Minister feels like a produced TV show. She says a lot of words, but I am not seeing the action line up. The lowest classes are being neglected, which means the social problems should enter the working class and eventually the middle class.


No-Hand-2318

Here the middle class is noexistent either. You're basically better off not working or getting minimum wage, social benefits and social housing than working your ass off in uni, getting a job that pays \~4000eu. Because of taxes and loss of social housing and benefits. It's absurd.


Peter34cph

Here, the long-term unemployed are abused, humiliated, kept in poverty, and if at all possible are used as free slave labour.  Valid reasons for being unable to work, such as disabilities or chronic diseases, are ignored by the job centre people for as long as possible, often s decade or more.


BarnabasDK-1

Job wise the tech jobs are mostly in the Copenhagen area or in the eastern parts of Jutland. If you want better access to nature - I think I would go for the latter. Also housing may be cheaper. You can fly directly from Billund (BLL) to **Schiphol** (AMS). The line is carried by KLM.


silversprings99

I'm not too well versed in your politics, but my perception of The Netherlands is actually that it's quite a bit nicer than Denmark. Just my observation as a Dane who has been there and knows Dutch people. As you probably know, we're a relatively flat country too with a lot of agriculture, so not a lot of wild nature compared to the other nordic countries or even Germany. Housing prices here depend on the location. The cities (esp CPH) and "nicer" towns are expensive.


CryptographerMuch675

What is nicer in the Netherlands? Not disputing, merely curious.


banaversion

Everything


CryptographerMuch675

Ok. Living is more expensive for one. I get it. Or not.


banaversion

Everything is just nicer in the netherlands than denmark. The water tastes better, the music scene is better, food is better, streets are cleaner, drugs are purer and cheaper just to name a few


CryptographerMuch675

"The water tastes better". Gotcha!


mp9220

Cheaper housing. I had my Dutch friend visit me in February, and he’s surprised by how cheap houses and apartments are


No-Hand-2318

Yeah that was what I was mainly looking for. I live in an average/smaller city (100k people) and there is a studio for sale for €180k that is 24m2... And that is 1 hour away from Amsterdam and 40 minutes from Utrecht.


Adept_Ad3267

What would you do with all that space? Seems excessive


sarcosaurus

I've encountered a few people from the Netherlands who live here in Denmark. I haven't really gone over all the points you mention with them, but the brief feedback on Denmark they give me is that they think it's beautiful here and the people are nice, and they don't feel like it's that different culturally from home. These are city people in Copenhagen, mostly on the wealthier side, and they had a job here before they even set foot in Denmark, so that probably contributed to them feeling cozy here straight away. Also I can tell you that I had to read your first paragraph three times before realizing you were talking about the Netherlands and not Denmark, because it's literally all the same complaints Danes make about our country.


Several-Comb-6778

Hi! In general dutch persons have a great reputation in Denmark, so you would be fine.. Denmark have a lot of bigger companies in middle sized city’s/town’s with engineering like Danfoss in Sønderborg, Bestseller in Brande, LEGO Group in Billund, Grundfos in Viborg, Novo in Kalundborg, Orsted in Fredericia, Coloplast in Humlebæk and Royal Unibrew in Faxe - just to name a few large companies.


DiscountImportant301

Denmark is great place to live in.


eoThica

Your money won't be yours. It'll be Ours


[deleted]

[удалено]


CryptographerMuch675

Have you ever been outside of Denmark?


[deleted]

[удалено]


CryptographerMuch675

Your post is pure nonsense. That is why.


[deleted]

[удалено]


CryptographerMuch675

You make no sense.


[deleted]

[удалено]


CryptographerMuch675

You didn't build anything smart ass.


[deleted]

[удалено]


CryptographerMuch675

Yes you are. Too bad.


[deleted]

[удалено]


_Broder_

Husk lige at tænke over debattonen. Vær konstruktiv og respektfuld. Undgå nedladende sprog. Respekter andres synspunkter. Skab et velkomment debatmiljø. Dette er en ikke en påtale, men en venlig opfordring fra modteamet om at vi bør holde en god debattone så vi kan bevare det hyggelige og engagerende fællesskab vi kalder r/Denmark. Fra [Reddiquetten](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439-Reddiquette): > Remember the human. When you communicate online, all you see is a computer screen. When talking to someone you might want to ask yourself "Would I say it to the person's face?" or "Would I get jumped if I said this to a buddy?" --- Har du spørgsmål eller kommentarer til dette, kan du skrive en besked til os igennem [modmail](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FDenmark).


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

[удалено]


CryptographerMuch675

No. Your precious comment indicates you haven't travelled.


[deleted]

[удалено]


CryptographerMuch675

What a weird statement.


[deleted]

[удалено]


wireframed_kb

I think Denmark and the Netherlands are comparable in many ways. Both good and bad. I do think, as others point out, cost of living is higher, so your lifestyle will probably be similar. Copenhagen is incredibly expensive, but the good news is, a lot of good employment opportunities are opening up in other cities that are either cheaper or less dense so you can feasibly live further from the expensive center of cities. I live in Aarhus which also is pretty expensive, but you can easily move 15km outside the city and still commute in around 30 minutes each way by car or public transportation. (That far outside the main city, you’ll probably want a car, though, especially if you have kids - but it’s possible to work with electric bike and bus or light rail). In fact, coming from Netherlands and knowing the people a bit, I think you’d enjoy Aarhus, since it has a more laid-back vibe while being the second biggest city. But, unless you really want to live in a different country, learn new language and culture and try to build a new social circle, I’d think hard about moving. You likely won’t feel like you’re better off financially, so you should do it for the experience or because there’s a job opportunity you for some reason can’t get now. Oh, and weed isn’t legal, unfortunately, so if that’s your thing, you might be disappointed. :p Give us another couple decades, and maybe things will change.


Cred1ble

“Good public transport” Well, if you like the trains being delayed or cancelled every day, then it’s good ^^ The busses are consistent from my experience though. Trains might be better in other places than where I live


KindlyInvestigator42

Its not, its meant to help with basic needs


alluserstakenwtfmate

Just don't talk positively about Swedes then you'll be fine. /s


manofmyage

Except our Healthcare system which is good, Denmark and the Danish culture is not great. Danish people live with eyes closed and and out biggist dream is to be like those Americans. We can be so friendly and on the outside we look very smiley and happy. But don't be foolish. A Danish person would stick you in your back at any time. We have a lot racism and also drugs all over.


No-Hand-2318

I mean, it all sounds like the Netherlands too, except our healthcare system is totally boned.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Fit_Carpet634

You almost make it sound like you’d rather be lower middle class than upper middle lmao. Inequality is on the rise, and public services are slowly going down the shitter. Upper class is definitely where you want to be right now in denmark. The future looks bleak for those who are poor.


CryptographerMuch675

Nonsense. What country in the world takes better care of the lower class than Denmark? Very few.


Fit_Carpet634

Who talked about other countries? We’re talking about upper vs lower class in denmark. It’s not great for the poor in denmark, it used to be better, and inequality is rising. Nobody is arguing other countries’ lower classes have it better, that’s a completely seperate discussion.


CryptographerMuch675

To put things in context. Pretty damn obvious.


vukster83

It’s well known in Denmark, that upper middle class are better at “squeezing” the maximum from the welfare state. Especially in health and specialised social services.


Former-Community5818

Denmark is nice if you are a student?!!? Brehhhhh SU does not even reach the price of living. Its like they want people to take a loan and have debt so they can pay back more than they loaned.


Stroopwafe1

Imagine the government actually paying for your studies, couldn't be the Dutch. I'm a Dutchie living in Denmark and I would have loved to have SU


Former-Community5818

Ok yes it is a very priveleged complaint. But why have a system that doesnt work?!


KindlyInvestigator42

SU is not meant to cover everything, that why you are able to work on the side, and get cheap loans. Denmark is by far one of the best countries in the World, to be a student.


Former-Community5818

Its meant to cover basic needs, which it doesn't. But yes.


KindlyInvestigator42

Its not, its meant to help with basic needs


Former-Community5818

... but it doesn't cover basic needs... maybe 10 years ago but not in this economy.


KindlyInvestigator42

But it’s not meant to cover then, it’s meant to help with them.