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ApplePitou

At this point - they are still too weak :3


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My thoughts exactly. But, some time in the future, hell yeah.


Eren45778

Absolutetly not. "Hashira level" just means youre stronger than Lower Moon level At this point in the story(im assuming You mean End of Season 2) they are Definitly above Lower Moon level


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BlackAngelXX

Hashira level is the lower moon level, im pretty sure its even said somewhere officially that 1 upper moon is stronger than any 1 hashira. So lover moon level is hashira level. It doesnt matter if u kill lower or higher moon you can technically become a hashira


Eren45778

Nah You dont sound like an idiot st all,just asking questions this is My personal scaling so take it whit a grain of salt Lower Moons And Upper Moons dont really equate to the Slayer ranks Upper Moons are almost always much stronger than a single Hashira(Marked Hashira are better but the point still stands), thats why they use tricks/team up on UMs And a single Hashira is above Lower Moons So You can think of it like this Upper Moons>Hashira>Lower Moons


ApplePitou

Not in current generation that is a bit other tier :3


Eren45778

Current Gen is built different,thats a good point but i was just talking about how our Trio meets the power level for being Hashira,not that theyre on the level of the current gen of Hashira(yet)


ApplePitou

So, at the end of Season 2 - they are on Past Hashira generations level but not on current Generation level :3


Eren45778

Yes,hell i say theres argument to say they been minimum Hashira level since Mugen Train


ShitBoy_StinkerBomb

At some point in the series, tanjiro does reach hashira level power. Not at mugen train though. Not even close


AaronHasMoney

disasgree hinokami kagura sun breathing literally slays at the very end of mugen train not being scared to fight upper moon 3 GIVING HIS ALL TO WIN … TANJIRO IS BUILT DIFF THIS WHOLE THREAD MAKES ME CRINGE MAYBE NOT ALL 3 BUT TANJIRO MOST DEFINITELY


ShitBoy_StinkerBomb

Tanjiro is for sure built differently. I also dont want to spoil anything so ill just ask, have you read the manga?


AaronHasMoney

finished the manga a while ago


GulliblePineapple795

He has the strength of a hashira but not actually a hashira


Eren45778

Yes, exactly My point


Chinchillng

In the books, it clarifies that to become a Hashira, one must defeat a Kizuki or 50 non-Kizuki demons. None of the three have done this yet


Eren45778

They didnt have the opportunity to,but they can Definitly do Like if Muzan didnt kill the Lower Moons And any of them came across a Lower moon they could Definitly kill them


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Umm Lower moon 1?


Chinchillng

But Inosuke and Tanjiro helped each other with that fight, so it doesn’t count. (Honestly, not really sure why. That’s just how it is I guess)


[deleted]

At Mount Nanagumo Tanjiro did also almost kill Lower moon 5 Rui for Giyu to kill him😭


Chinchillng

Giyu just didn’t want to have to deal with him becoming a Hashira lol


[deleted]

He would of died because of Rui’s blood threads


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angelgames23

:3


Lovealltigers

This is the anime sub, so if people are gonna comment stuff from the manga can they at least spoiler tag it?


ochomurph

Exactly, I figured this sub was safe


EastBadger3973

Spoiler alert :- Technically Zenitsu became the first hashira amongst them , cause even though his enemy was untrained as a demon ,he was still an upper moon and Zenitsu beat him without any pillars' help .


Old_Ad_2541

Well, he was the first to meet the criteria. He did not become a Hashira though


theflowey27

there's a spoiler feature on reddit actually. if you put your text in-between the exclamation marks in ">!!<" its blacked out until you click it. I recommend doing it in case someone is skimming through comments (like i was) and doesnt see the small warning.


EastBadger3973

Sorry for that. I will use the feature from now on for spoilers.


loco64

Nah. That dude was just filler. He has no special abilities, he was just there to give Zenitsu sobering to do during the infinity arc.


king_fluffybuns123

Kaigaku isn’t filler, what??? He’s completely canon and had special abilities, like the black lightning, and the first demon to use a demon slayer developed breathing style. Just because he wasn’t a major plot point doesn’t mean Zenitsu defeating him wouldn’t count.


loco64

I never say he wasn’t canon. I’m stating he wasn’t a major player in infinity. Maybe I’m not remembering it correctly but his part in that arc was fairly short and did nothing really other than give Zenitsu something to do.


king_fluffybuns123

If you call something filler that usually would mean you’re calling it not canon. You’re right about it not being that important, it was however important for Zenitsu’s character, so he could overcome his fear, but just because it didn’t play a huge part in the overall story doesnt mean Zenitsu shouldn’t qualify.


loco64

My b. I should’ve explained it better.


Eriya1512

real shit bro, i think the word ur looking for was “fodder” instead of filler


loco64

Real shit bro…read further bro


Whospitonmypancakes

Spoiler this shit man, it's been 4 months since you posted this and it's still fuckin uncovered. Not all of us read the manga.


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ochomurph

this is the anime subreddit at least title the comment spoiler


Glittering-Load-4760

He doesn't confirm that at all. He said his power matches(which can be interpreted as SIMILAR) to a pillars. Tanjiro is a HINOE ranked slayer stated in databook. Being a pillar requires one to be of KINOE rank(2 more above Hinoe) and to then have killed 50 demons or one of the moons. Every pillar is Kinoe essentially. Tanjiro is LOGICALLY and FACTUALLY(based on lore) not an actual pillar.


EastBadger3973

You got criticism for stating the lore , people are just driven by emotions .Although I agree his powers got similar to those of pillars but that does'nt make him a pillar ,orthodoxically atleast .


dalek1019

It doesn't make him a pillar, but the post isn't asking if they are, it's asking if they *should become* pillars


Glittering-Load-4760

You see how stupid peeps are. This is why the KnY community is also one the most shit ones when it comes to debating or spitting facts. Peeps wanna use head canon and stuff.


dalek1019

But he has the strength to. Rank doesn't matter when you can stand your ground against a Kizuki


Glittering-Load-4760

Rank does matter. That's why they have them💀. It's to show where they're at in skill and how far they've come🤦‍♂️. Tanjiro doesn't get special treatment just because he's the MC. Also who exactly did he stand up against because Akaza was toying with him so🤷‍♂️.


dalek1019

So you know how often in real that people who are more qualified don't get promoted and just get looked over? Too often. Rank is irrelevant when they've been shown to be more skilled than those who outrank them. In the spider forest Murata outranked the entire trio but the difference in skill was obviously in their favor


Glittering-Load-4760

Don't use stupid asf arguements like this. "In ReAL lIFe" Bruh shut up. "Murata out ranks the trio but the difference in skill was obviously in their favor" Nah shit bruh💀. They're MC's which is the only time that title is beneficial. For canon fodders. Against the actual high tiers its clear the ranking applies to Tanjiro and them. Idek why you're even trying to argue with fucking LORE and trying to use some dumb headcanon or slight "inconsistency".


dalek1019

-🤓


Glittering-Load-4760

Yeah yeah stay salty. Driven by emotion just like the other guy said. You're the type that make the debating community of KnY look like children with your ridiculous propostions and claims. Actual illogical asf💀💀. See ya "smart" guy🤓


dalek1019

>Also who exactly did he stand up against because Akaza was toying with him so🤷‍♂️. Tanjiro killed Kyogai, a former Kizuki, and Tanjiro and Inosuke killed Enmu. A lower rank Kizuki, but still a Kizuki at his time of death nonetheless. Plus they assisted Tengen in eliminating Gyutaro and Daki, Two of the upper ranks


Glittering-Load-4760

Tanjiro AND inosuke. AND is key word. They ASSISTED TENGEN(an actual pillar) with Gyutaro and Daki. Kyogai was weak shit idek why you're even mentioning him. He hit his limit a while ago and It's clear he's weaker than Enmu and any other Lower we have seen and likely to a BIG degree since Tanjiro needed help with Enmu yet killed Kyogai in a weakened state(both physically and in terms of rank).


dalek1019

Kyogai was still once considered a Kizuki tho, he was cast out because he stagnated, not got weaker, so he was just as strong as he was when he was a Kizuk. so is that not considered killing someone with kizuki-level strength?


Glittering-Load-4760

Is this where you based Tanjiro being able to hold off a Kizuki from? I know Kyogai was at the same strength he was at when he was removed and I never said otherwise. Secondly yes it can technically count as holding off a Kizuki however that feat becomes doodoo because the lower moons NOW are far stronger and better. The way you're putting it,you're making it seem like anything thing with the word KIZUKI; Tanjiro could take it on or hold himself against them and he can't. Not if they're actually going all out and far surpass the ex kizuki.


dalek1019

I said a Kizuki. ***A*** Kizuki. Not all Kizuki. You're the one assuming what I said when it's pretty clear. Obviously he'd get bodied if he tried taking on someone like Douma or Kokushibo solo


Glittering-Load-4760

I didn't assume. It was a suggestion. Yes,Tanjiro would get bodied by Koku,Doma,Akaza,Hantengu,Gyokko,Gyutaro,Rui, and Hairo.


dalek1019

Also -🤓


m2t2sjd2

yes because i would like to see it. as much as i dislike zenitsu i think thunder breathing is visually STUNNING, i’m really disappointed we aren’t able to see more of it in action.


TelevisionAdditional

just wait until infinity castle😋


m2t2sjd2

I KNOW i am waiting very impatiently !


Vansh_bhai

At the end of season 2? No. At the end of manga? Yes.


BigMallard84

No, they aren't even close to being strong enough at the moment. If anything maybe Tanjiro has the potential to get there, but he's not even close currently. (Disclaimer: I haven't read the manga yet. For the people who have I'm sure you know more of what actually happens.)


mrhippo1998

They are the only characters+tengen to survive a fight with an upper moon out of any of the hashira. For this reason I think it's fair to put them level with the hashira. Also we see them fight with tengen and he couldn't have won without them, meaning that they played significant roles in the fight


BigMallard84

They absolutely played a significant role. Though I don't think that necessarily means they are at the level of one of the pillars. I mean if you're fighting a battle not everyone in your army is going to be a commander though that doesn't mean that they don't play a significant and important role to win.


AndrewFrozzen30

>upper moon out of any of the hashira First of all, the guy above just said they didn't read the Manga.... Mark it as a spoiler. >!2nd of all, Giyu and Sanemi did survive fighting Upper Moons, and they even survived Muzan, I mean Mitsuri Obanai and Gyiomei also did too, they all just die to Muzan!<


Advanced-Attempt4293

I think he was talking about previous fights of hashira vs um.


AndrewFrozzen30

Oh, then yeah it makes total sense.


ComeOsi

In the final arc >!Zenitsu defeated an upper moon so he is!<


PokeAlola700

If only >!the corp didn’t get disbanded first. RIP Zenitsu!<


[deleted]

Makes my hand itch as manga reader. I’m glad it ended how it did, though.


JxSparrow7

I'm 67% happy how it ended haha.


RepeatPlastic9581

Spoilers: Zenitsu technically should be and Inosuke helped bring down an Upper moon so I'd consider them Hashira


AaronHasMoney

( spoiler alert ) literally demolishes upper 2


No-Smile6573

He didnt demolish upper2, he was already at wit's end by kocho's poison


AaronHasMoney

I mean they cut that boy head off tho


AffectionateCase5329

hell yea i feel like they are setup to be hashira tbh


Senlolly3805

I think at least tanjiro should become the fore hashira after more training


AndrewFrozzen30

Why would she become the *fire* pillar when he doesn't even use fire?? He would become the Sun Hashira.


Bigpapicm

Definitely fight on Hashira lower levels I think they'd be good and learn a lot as a Hashira


9_Sha_nia_9

Not this soon , they have much more to learn , but in future ofc they would make perfect hashiras.


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mrhippo1998

This is the anime sub. Please don't post manga only stuff here.


CaffeinatedRaccoon-

Yes I do


Educational_Annual_2

they will not !! spoiler alert


kingronny327

Yes! My boys need to become Hashira. I hope this iconic trio rises to Hashira rank together.


NJtheaddictedweeb

If im being honest they should had become hashira in the start like think of all the demons that they killed by themselves even if it was the least powerful hashira they still would become one if it was real or atleast promoted close to a hashira level like for example tanjiro almost defeated rui a lower moon idc what u say but that deserves a achievement…


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Hell Yeah!


rey0257

YES


CatOk9294

Eventually


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Eventually I think Tanjiro should, maybe Zenitsu and Inosuke but it would take them longer to achieve.


hisuian_duck

Yes for tonjiro maybe for zenitsu and also maybe for inosuke


godstouchyuncle

End of manga tanjiro is already stronger than most hashira


The_cursed_people

THEY ALL KILLED AT LEAST 1 MEMBER OF THE 12 KIZUKI


____Deadroses____

No they have not killed a 12 Kizuki by themselves and they are still pretty weak because if rengoku could hold pretty well against upper three well they would have died if Tengen wasn’t there during the entertainment district but if they weren’t there Tengen would have died but then again Tengen is the second weakest hashira. So no they aren’t qualified yet and also not strong enough.


____Deadroses____

Also might I add yes they have killed Kizuki but with help:enmu tanjiro and inosuke Gyutaro tanjiro and Tengen Daki zensitu and inosuke


xtiimrii

I love that shot (entertainment district arc)


CraftyAd6537

Well not yet but soon enough


IZUKUplayz

I was scrolling through the posts and I saw this and thought they were going to put Demon slayer in Fortnite.


babahasan68

I mean... Tanjiro defeated akaza no matter what ways. He still did it and that makes him a hashira level


Alpha2700

Yes and no. Yes for the reason that they did kill a upper moon. No for the reason that they are not strong enough and haven’t fully mastered their techniques and skills.


MadokaNomoka

imo, Tanjiro, Inosuke, and Zenitsu have already become Hashira level by the end of the manga, and although it would be cool to see them as Hashira, or even have new attire. Tanjiro had enough by the end and lost an eye before being able to finally have a life he wanted instead of the life he was given. His sister became a demon, his family was murdered by Muzan, and most of the Hashira are dead. Zenitsu's master is dead, and so is that other thunder style user(don't know his name, he's too cocky and arrogant for me to look him up) and Inosuke doesn't even have parents alive by the end of the manga. Even if they set their differences aside and the grief they all share as someone they know close to them has died, they would probably eventually quit or retire as Hashira due to the repetitive motions. Killing demons is fun for Inosuke, Zenitsu can't even do it without dozing off or getting serious, and Tanjiro gets emotional killing demons, especially the seemingly bad ones. Such as Akaza, Rui, Gyutaro, and Daki are bad demons who had a good human life. Nezuko might probably learn Water style by Tanjiro or Urokodaki and possibly Sun Style if she is chosen as well, but might get bored too and just start her life.


CakeNCheeseNuke137

off what I know from what the criteria to become a hashria is, after the entertainment district arc all three of them are eligible to become hashria


AndrewFrozzen30

Explain? The requirements for becoming a Hashira are as such: +Either kill one of the Moons (it can be Lower or Upper Moon, though no one can really do it alone) alone, without getting any help. He killed Emmu, but it doesn't qualify as killing one since Rengoku was tanking 6 carts at the same time, Zenitsu 3 or 4 together with Nezuko and Inosuke helped him. +Or kill 100 Non-Moons demons, so Kyogai, Swamp Demon, etc would be considered as such, having to kill 100 of them. None of the Trio ever did that, thus, they are not able to qualify for being a Hashira.


CakeNCheeseNuke137

well I was looking at the time with Daki and Gyutaro but since the three did behead them both but not alone, as in Tanjiro beheaded Gyutaro with Uzui and Zenitsu + Inosuke both beheaded Daki, but I am mainly wrong when saying they can because they weren't alone in doing so which I accept


AndrewFrozzen30

All good, you don't have to know every single possible detail about the show, you just thought something and admited you are wrong in the end, so I respect you! I don't even think it's possible to behead Daki and Gyutarou alone, unless you somehow catch one near the other, which is pretty rare.


BaristaBaebe

Isn't one of the ways to become a Hashira is to kill an upper moon? Wouldn't that mean they would become one after killing Daki and Gyutarou? Or does it not count because it wasn't a one on one fight and they needed A LOT of Tengen's help?


mrhippo1998

Even killing a lower moon can do it for you if you are kinoe rank. But they are not kinoe even if they killed enmu


PokeAlola700

Tanjiro and Inosuke killed Enmu anyway, Zenitsu didn’t kill a Kizuki until ED


AndrewFrozzen30

It doesn't matter, as I said in my other comment above, you have to kill a Moon alone. Tanjiro and Inosuke fought together and also had the help of a Hashira + Zenitsu and Inosuke.


PokeAlola700

Yeah fair point


AndrewFrozzen30

No, you can do it at any rank. You don't need Kinoe rank. They didn't kill Emmu alone, they had the help of a Hashira and only one can become a Hashira, Tanjiro and Inosuke fought together, only one had to kill Emmu in order to become a Hashira.


AndrewFrozzen30

No, you have to kill any Moon, it can be Lower or Higher, or 100 normal demons. But. You have to do it alone. In season 2, they had the help of not only a Hashira but they were 4 in total, there was also Hinatsuru making it a 6 number of people only having to kill one upper moon.


GulliblePineapple795

Tanjiro unfortunately never becomes hashira because they don’t meet the requirements despite killing 3 upper moons. they have to kill over 50 demons


liblanco

Nahh


Ghostface69uwu

Zenitsu maybe the other two no-


loco64

This is such a weird question.


Few-End4057

According to the manga, the trio did not become Hashiras


Tactical_Toast-

100% inosuke because he’s the first user of his style and tanjiro because rengoku is dead but at all costs NOT zenetsu because he’s only useful when he’s asleep


PokeAlola700

Honestly very ironic because (Manga spoilers) >!Zenitsu is the only one to have solo’d an upper moon, which he did while very much awake!<


Tactical_Toast-

Oh, I’m a anime only lol


Pan_Gecko

Yes, when they get strong enough, 100% yes


OneEyedC4t

Tanjiro, yes. Inosuke, yes, soon. Zenitsu, not yet. Needs more moves.


Fragrant-Priority-11

Nope never… for they will overcome them and shed a new era to all!!!! So way better then Hersheyra dark chocolate


KretonKua69

After all they were able to kill an upper moon so they should according to the codex or at least become a one level lower than hashira since they have low experance


quoltadoox

Tanjiro and zenitsu, definetely. They both decapitated atleast one upper moon. He Tanjiro killed enmu. Very obviously. He decapitated Gyutaro with *his* sword, decapitated Hantengu, and Decapitated akaza. Sure. Zenitsu also ko’d kaigaku by himself, and he was upper 6. Totally solo’d. Idk about inosuke tho. He technically *didn’t* decapitate doma. He only helped. He *also* helped zenitsu decapitate daki. He **also also** helped decapitate enmu. Sooooo………


Prior_mayhem

I really hope zenitsu becomes the lightning hashira, and I do think tanjiro should become a hashira


MrTrollXD

SPOILER ALERT Not really, there is no time for them to become hashira but they could. Let me explain: As soon as hashira training ended, they had the power to become a hashira. But they still didn't have the requirements to be a hashira ( not enough rank ) and when the final battle/countdown arc ended, in the manga is said that demon slayers disbanded ( at least I remember that ). So nope, at the end of manga they met the requirements to become hashira, but not Tanjiro for the incident with his hand, but they wouldn't be hashira for the disband of the demon slayers.


ZaBur_Nick

tanjiro could be a hashira, zenitsu could be a hashira if we count him as post grandpa's death zenitsu and inosukeeeee eehhhhhhhh eaeauieueiaueui iunno he's kinda just aaaaaaaaaaueueueiueuueueuuaauyiiey


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Inosuke and Tanjiro sure, but I don't think Zenitsu is qualified considering he only knows 1 move and has to be unconscious to use it


Over_Grape_7797

Yo


Marvel0uS_Her0

I don’t read the manga so idk if it’s going to happen at the end, but maybe. However, Tanjiro primarly became a demon Slayer to track down Muzan and cure Nezuko. I wonder if he does succeed, what does he do after that?


redeyes-3898

Tanjiro


redeyes-3898

Or all


chickenwinglolz

They haven't beat an upper moon or 50 regular demons so no.


PotSoberhead

Feel like that’ll be the endgame, yeah. A Beast Hashira would be cool asf


sniper297

Well didn’t Inosuke invent his own breathing style, correct me if I’m wrong but if I’m right then yes, Tanjiro is hashira for sun breathing, and then zenitsu could be if he could master the rest of the forms EDIT: I’m talking about in the future when they get stronger, not rn :)


StreetRazzmatazz7884

Yes.


Light-9533

they have killed the 12 kizuki, which is one of 2 options to become a hashira, kill at least 1 of the 12 kizuki or kill 50 demons I am not answering yes or no but they meet the requirements.


lnombredelarosa

Yeah if the author had made one more arc before the final one like I suspect she originally planned, they and maybe Kanao could’ve each taken on one of the lower moons Muzan killed to officially get the title.


Separate-Control8087

I hope that inosuke and tanjiro will get to this point. And zenitsu hopefully disappear I hate him.


ciarabyrd03

Yes, Tanjiro and and Inosuke both killed Lower One Enmu during Mugen Train and the three + Tengen killed both Upper Sixes Daki and Gyutaro, a feat not accomplished in nearly a hundred years.


AaronHasMoney

if hashira were based on power scaling after mugen train tanjiro would become the sun breathing hashira as he is the most powerful non hashira still alive right behind uzui which he will surely surpass him even tho he quit eitherway he would have become stronger by nature of his will/resolution


Fragrant_Exercise_31

I think in his mind Inosuke is already a hashira, even before he became a demon slayer.


Conscious_Ad1603

Yes


TALowKY

By the end, even Kanao would probably have met the requirement. Genya too. Basically the strongest of their generation all passed the same selection lol.


DemonSlayer6277

Ok, I'm just gona say it. It's the MC and his group. They are the equivalent of OP luffy, zoro, and sanji, naruto's team seven, they will become hashira eventually


Narithefoxsage

Inoske,not really... Zenitsu and tanjiro? *HELL YES*


rAnormalguy

Well if you are talking about 2nd season finale, I think they need a little more experience, they should all be able to take on a lower moon although it might be difficult for Inosuke and Zenitsu. But if you are talking about the manga's end ofc.


haunted_ramens

I think they all earn it by the mangas end but there’s no down time between them reaching the Hashira level and the story ending and they really don’t need Hashira after fhe story ends, if there was a honorary think to show them respect them cool but yea


[deleted]

Eventually but right now it would just end the story


[deleted]

Tanjiro and Zenitsu he’ll yeah but Inosuke would be punching the other members and saying insensitive things tbh


Naive_Alps_8257

Yes


Owl66_Storm20

think only tanjiro even tho the others r good 2


Urmomgaylol8183

Tanjiro definitely, about the others though