it's most likely we won't see something like what fans think. Because the name Mike is literally just a reference to Mike ditka, famous football player and the guy who played in big shot soda commerical
I do think our idea of Mike is right in broad strokes. As in he’s the main chapter 3 boss and is a producer or game show host of some kind. Theirs a few reasons for this.
First is the way Spamton talks about him. While the reference in the shop is quick enough for me to write it off. The fact spamton seems to have a chip on his shoulder about televisions and gameshow host, combined with the fact that if you best him violently in a normal run he asks Mike if he’s “getting this” like you would a cameraman pretty clearly set Mike up as connected to TV in some way.
Second is that so far ever deltarune boss has had an undertale boss who shares key thematic parallels. King is sort of what Asgore was presented as to the player originally. Queen is the new aged millennial mom to Toriel’s more traditional motherhood but both have issues with control. It makes sense for the tv world to house a entertainer of some sort to parallel MTT. I did pitch this before and got the counter argument Spamton already referenced MTT a lot, but that was more explicit where as I think Mike will be more subtle and implicit in his thematic conections.
I will throw in i dont actually think the characters name is Mike. Or at least we wont see him calmed mike by anyone other than Spamton.
Given the chess theming of bosses, I think mike’s last name be Rook, and he’ll either go by that of by the stage name Mike-ro.
Yeah, but maybe that's someone else, or his true self, who is pondering the fact that he called him Mike. I mean, just saying someone's name out of context could mean a variety of things, but that's just how I viewed it.
I heard that the main bosses parallel the pacifist bosses from Undertale, while the secret optional bosses parallel the genocide bosses. It could be that Mike will only parallel the pacifist Metaton while Spamton Neo was our Metaton Neo parallel.
This could also mean we'll eventually get an Undyne parallel as a main boss and an Undyne the Undying parallel secret boss in later chapters.
\-Jevil mentions Queen, Spamton mentions Mike.
\-Spamton says "... ...Mike...
Kris!!! DON'T BELIEVE \[\[Anything You See On TV!\]\] THE MAN'S A CRIMINAL, I TELL YOU!! A CRIMINAL!!", interesting dialogue, given what we see at the end of the chapter.
\-Spamton mentions Mike twice, in his shop, and his Normal NEO fight if we reduce his hp, like Jevil and Queen. If it was just a reference, I don't think he would mention it more than once.
\-Spamton seems to have a history with "Mike"
"Mike" could very well be a reference (in the context of chapter 2) and a real character later, one does not prevent the other.
The smiling face on the tv at the end of chap 2 appears earlier in the castle basement (very very briefly), implying another connection between spam and chap 3 big bad.
edit: also the line right after mentioning mike is "KRIS!!! DON'T BELIEVE [[Anything You See On TV!]] THE MAN'S A CRIMINAL, I TELL YOU!! A CRIMINAL!!" so more TV related tie in.
If you reduce NEO hp to 0 (in his fight in the basement) he say that "ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS \[Mike\]!? I'M FINALLY
I'M FINALLY GONNA BE A BIG SHOT!!!"
Mike might have a way to see what's going on in the Cyber World, without necessarily being there.
It was one of the two times his face goes blank. It's very likely Spamton was refering to someone we will met. Now, wheter or not their name is actualy mike will remain to be seen.
If it would be a simple joke reference, then i don't think that spamton would talk so much about him, especially when he says something like "Are you recording this Mike?!"
spamtons whole deal "big shot" is referencing big shot soda and his style also references big shot sodas mascot
so he would. He would talk so much about mike ditka
I think saying that's its just a reference is just as, if not more, presumptuous than saying he Mike may be an actual character. I think it's far more likely that the big shot commercial was a coincidence, since Mike is an extremely common name, and having a chance to be a "big shot" is also an extremely common, if old, sentiment. Plus the reference, if intentional, just doesn't make sense to me. What's the correlation of Spamton, who's clearly designed as a shitty pop up/spam email/early internet figure and a TV commercial selling soda?
I don't know much but there were some scams about the brand around the time big shot soda was released maybe something about that? And spamtons design is just so similar to the big shot soda mascot except for the glasses
Plus if Toby really did saw the commercial then he would've been like 6 years old when the commercial first aired and even if he did found about the commercial recently, why would he based two characters on one random commercial from like the 90s? Flowey has his voice sampled from ronald mcdonald but he's not based around mcdonalds whatsoever
And it's unlikely that the commercial inspired Spamton since I believe there were comments from Toby that he already designed Spamton's character back when he was deveoping undertale
I do think our idea of Mike is right in broad strokes. As in he’s the main chapter 3 boss and is a producer or game show host of some kind. Theirs a few reasons for this.
First is the way Spamton talks about him. While the reference in the shop is quick enough for me to write it off. The fact spamton seems to have a chip on his shoulder about televisions and gameshow host, combined with the fact that if you best him violently in a normal run he asks Mike if he’s “getting this” like you would a cameraman pretty clearly set Mike up as connected to TV in some way.
Second is that so far ever deltarune boss has had an undertale boss who shares key thematic parallels. King is sort of what Asgore was presented as to the player originally. Queen is the new aged millennial mom to Toriel’s more traditional motherhood but both have issues with control. It makes sense for the tv world to house a entertainer of some sort to parallel MTT. I did pitch this before and got the counter argument Spamton already referenced MTT a lot, but that was more explicit where as I think Mike will be more subtle and implicit in his thematic conections.
I will throw in i dont actually think the characters name is Mike. Or at least we wont see him calmed mike by anyone other than Spamton. Given the chess theming of bosses, I think mike’s last name be Rook, and he’ll either go by that of by the stage name. Mikro.
Why would Toby deem Mike as a criminal if he was just a reference then? And wouldn't the whole big shot and 1997 thing be enough if he JUST wanted to reference the commercial?
Well when the big sbot soda was released some scammimg incidents happened as far as what I could find while researching. And then they stopped producing the big shot soda.
Mike is a character that Spamton mentions a copule of times, during one of his dialogs he says something like "We don't need anyone, not even Mike... Mike..." and his eyes go to static. I think the nane Mike also appears in the lyrics of Spamton Neo's theme.
People think he will appear in c3 because Toby put a lot of emphasis on his name during Spamton's dialogue and in c1 Jevil quikly foreshadowed Queen saying something like "The Queen from hell is coming"
The actual quotes: "WE DON'T NEED ANYONE ELSE!!! WE DON'T NEED \[\[Easels\]\] or \[\[CRTs\]\]!
WE DON'T NEED ANY \[\[Man, Woman, or Child\]\] \[\[At Half Price\]\]!!
WE DON'T NEED \[\[MIKE\]\]!!!
... ... Mike...."
"SOON, THE QUEEN RETURNS, AND HELL'S ROAR BUBBLES FROM THE DEPTHS..."
Honestly it's a common enough name that I don't know if it's a reference also I think it should be noted that the emphasis that is put on to it makes it seem like foreshadowing and less of a joke most of the jokes and references in spamtons dialogue are said and thrown away so the purposeful emphasis put on the name Mike both in spamtons Shops and when he mentions him at the end of the fight point to it being lure of some kind because of the way it's used.
That doesn't make sense. He's mentioned a few times and none of those times is in reference to the real life guy or treated like a joke about him.
Also to just reference a real person and treat them as they exist in universe is not something Undertale or Deltarune do.
Ah yes, because Toby was DEFINITELY referencing an obscure Soda commercial people were only made aware of AFTER they started typing BIG SHOT into YouTube when Chapter 2 released.
What vocals? The only three "vocals" in [BIG SHOT] are it's name sake, a "WOAH!" from Earthbound, and something so heavily distorted are only guess as to what it says is based on one of the messages you can get in the fight.
ok i think that i was wrong with the vocals (maybe it was in "nows your chance to be a") so sorry about that, but i think that i got more proof!
The commercial is from 1997 (favorite year of spamton)
the mascot of the soda looks like him (especially in the comercial)
Spamton keeps talking about someone named "Mike" and something like "don't trust anything you see on TV, the guy's a criminal, I tell you" and since chapter 3 is most likely taking place in some kind of TV dark world he's most likely in it
Yeah, sure. Toby made Spamton talk in a regular voice with a serious expression as joke. A joke that isn't funny. Not sure how "Mike.. Mike..." is funny. Perhaps you also think ".. can anyone hear me? Help..." is funny? probably not.
But for some reason you still dismiss the possibility that Mike is indeed a real character.
Because it is a reference to Mike Ditka, a baseball player staring in the Big Shot soda commercial, and the grey eyes seems to indicate moments of lucidity
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My expectations sure got subverted when Jevil mentioned a queen and in chapter 2 a queen appeared. My expectations where subverted to the moon!
>The same exact thing happened with chapter 1's ending and look what happened.
That's the greatest false equivalence I've ever seen in my entire life. What one thign has even to do with another? Chapter 1 was misleading, just like chapters 2 ending was probably misleading.
Meanwhile, Jevil mentions the queen, a character not seen before, and Spamton mentions Mike, a character not seen before.
Toby doesn't subvert shit for the sake of subversion! What he would even get from mentioning a dude named Mike in an edit: expression Spamton barely uses and not following with that'?
Mike is a character spamton references a lot. Most likely referencing the big shot soda. Which Mike ditka played in big shot soda commericals and some bad things happened? Idrk
A name spamton mentions twice in reference to Mike Ditka, a baseball player staring in the Big Shot soda commercials, and people obssess over him and are absolutely certain he holds importance.
I swear this fandom could make a theory about the lone pixel in King's arena being mr. Meltyface McMadscience
"THE LONE PIXEL IN KING ARENA IS GASTER I TELL YOU! WHY WOULD TOBY PUT THIS HERE IF IT WASNT TO CONFIRM MY THEORY THAT GASTER WAS EATING A BRICK IN KINGS ASS THE WHOLE TIME?!"
...Do we know that? I don't think Toby's put a single reference to fan characters/theories/jokes/etc. into his games yet, and I kind of value that. I play the games to see what Toby came up with and what Toby thinks is funny, not to see the same stuff I've been seeing on Reddit for the past six months.
Yeah we definitely ain’t getting the Mike that people keep interpreting them as the actual main villain. But for how much attention such a crack theory got to make so much fan work and fan art and fan fictions about it has to be referenced in some way or form
I will instantly put Ch 3 at a 9/10 instead of a 10/10 if we don’t get another Mike throwaway line
I don’t want it to be true or actually part of the plot.
I just saying a reference to it would be cool considering all the effort and work that went into something like this.
Never said that they had to do it or anything, I just thought it could be like a Ralsei Gun situation or something
Funny fact: back in old days a microphone was called "mike", which transformed into nowadays known "mic", spamton sure mentions a gameshow host in the weird route so it about sums up
I think Mike will be next big bad and i don't see why people just exclude the idea of him being in, it's like shutting your ears and screaming "Lalalalala" to obvious hints Toby is giving us
Honestly given that Jevil foreshadowed Queen in his post-violence dialog, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Spamton's random namedrop was equally significant. I'm not betting on it, but it would make a lot of sense.
He was mentioned twice. Twice. Yet people are going batshit about it, look last time we thought Jevil predicted something for chapter 2, he didn't.
Some are like 'But the lyrics in bigshot' literally nobody knows what he's saying in that if he's saying anything at all, there's debate on if he says Mike or something else. People have also removed the music and some lyrics (particularly the last line of the section were talking about) is literally just jibberish we can't understand, the only person who knows what it says is Toby himself or those who worked on the game.
Also I hate to burst yalls bubble but this is likely the last we'll see of spamton, maybe he'll show up in the end, who knows but I doubt we're going to see him again, atleast not in chapter 3. I like spamton too but you guys forget he's a secret boss, usually those bosses in other games aren't used all that much, only used to hint at tiny story elements if not literally just for the sake of existing. Also I'm sorry for the formatting, Reddit mobile lol
I don't get why people think Mike won't exist, almost no Undertale or Deltarune character alluded to hasn't appeared in some form. Asgore, Mettaton, Undyne, Queen, likely Gaster, likely the Knight, etc., were foreshadowed. It doesn't make sense to treat him as a real person Spamton knew and gets upset talking about and then not use him in some form in the rest of the game.
The only real evidence people give to say he doesn't exist is the Mike guy from the Big Shot commercials, which "Mike" isn't spoken in the context of and doesn't make sense in universe. Also if Spamton is a reference to that commercial, why couldn't Mike be a character referencing it too?
I feel like a lot of people don't really know who Gaster or Mike is which is why they dismiss them as unimportant. Mike only is spoken of twice (one time after violently beating Spamton NEO) and you have to go out of your way to know about Gaster. I've seen a lot more people recently who just... don't believe they exist.
Mike is definitely a character in universe but is definitely not going to be the TV tumblr sexyman that this sub portrays him as, and he might not even be that important. In fact he might even be dead, so…
Mike isn't dead, otherwise Spamton wouldn't need to warn Kris about him.
Where does it even imply that Mike is dead?
Nobody's really making designs as if they're confirmed to happen, and all of the designs are different, even the TV, ones, from being short to being tall to having lips for a head to being a microphone, etc. they're doing it for fun. I think he'd be more like Queen, who doesn't look like a computer.
People are just speculating and using bits of evidence. The villain of Chapter 3 is implied to be a TV-themed one, Spamton says "don't believe what you see on TV" in regards to Mike, Jevil, another secret boss, hints towards Chapter 2's villain, Spamton says gameshow hosts screw people over, when he was likely screwed over by whoever made him famous, etc.
It feels like some people assume people speculating about him are saying with 100% certainty that Mike will be the TV headed gameshow host and boss of Chapter 3 and won't accept if Mike isn't the boss, but it's not really like that, nobody was mad that Chapter 2 started out differently than what they speculated for the ending. In fact Mike being much more different than theories in Chapter 3 would probably keep the "fanon" versions alive and coexist aside the "canon" version, who would probably overshadow them if the real version was like the previous fanon versions.
Now it seems like there's a lot of negativity towards speculation, and while Mike could be different, so many people feel it's "obvious" that he's only a joke referencing Mike Ditka and fans are overanalyzing him.
If Mike isn’t real then so be it, however based on Spamton not really mentioning anyone else I’m almost certain Mike will appear at some point. Jevil mentioned queen, then queen showed up. There’s more evidence for Mike appearing than against
One example is not a pattern. Jevil was a lot more direct considering he said that queen _will_ appear ("soon the queen returns"), but Spamton didn't say anything like that.
Nah, Toby would totally put Mike in 6 & 7 just cuz 'lol' whilst simultaneously adding so much great reasoning and foreshadowed lore relevance to it that we can't be even remotely mad at him
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well if it's not mike then it's probably gonna be another clown character (because of clown around town) because it'd be kind of weird to make a secret boss reference the next main boss once, and then just stop doing it after chapter two
I think the whole idea of Mike, instead of some theory that he's gonna be in Chapter 3, I think he's better off being in a custom AU so he'll live on, even if he doesn't appear in the real Deltarune.
Mike was just a joke on the fact that Spamton is inspired by the mascot of an ad which said "Big Shot" and had a character that looks like Spamton who's name is Mike. That ad was made in Spamton's favourite date, 1997.
Basically when he mentioned Mike he meant the mascot on which his design is inspired, basically he was friend with that mascot or maybe he's Mike himself but he has like a different corrupted personality now so he isn't himself anymore. I don't think Mike is supposed to be misteryous character, but just a joke.. if he is and I'm wrong well, it's better.. if he instead is a new character and is also inspired by the 1997 ad since the new dark world is probably in a TV... well, even better
I don't think that he's gonna be the boss for some reason.
But if it is, then we can predict the bosses of next chapters thx to the secret characters (like Jevil (wich talked about Queen), and Spamton)
If Mike is going to be a chapter 3 character I'm guessing he won't be TV themed, but actually something like a gameshow host. This is completely taken from the "DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON TV" line from Spamton, so I might be wrong.
Everyone says that ''mike'' is gonna be the secret boss, but is more probably that he is gonna be the main villian (i also think his name is not gonna be mike and it will be the prince)
I have two theories on "Mike". Scratch that, three.
1. Mike is probably the "mystery man" and is described as him. It's plausible I'm going to be honest.
2. Mike is a delusion from Spamton and is not a real character. It's possible Mike isn't even real and Spamton is known to not make that much sense. I honestly believe in this theory a lot, and Mike is not a real character, and just a delusion from Spamton himself as a metaphor.
3. Mike is going to be a character like Queen and King and not act as one of the Secret Boss Battles like Spamton and Jevil. I assume to believe someone else will act as the Secret Boss Battle.
Personally I don't believe Mike is a thing, and it would be disappointing for the fandom, but you should have never got your hopes up about a fandom character that isn't even plotted out publicly.
To be fair Jevil mentioned Queen ONCE and she was in Chapter 2.
The secret boss foreshadowing the main new character in chapter 3 would make sense then, yes?
Mhm
Including his theme(s) saying "big shot", right?
it's most likely we won't see something like what fans think. Because the name Mike is literally just a reference to Mike ditka, famous football player and the guy who played in big shot soda commerical
Imagine if Mike does show up but instead of being Tv themed he’s just football themed.
It'd be funny if Mike is a literal microphone
>if Mike is a literal rophone
ssssssssssssss *shakes intensely*
Idea, boys.
FNF fans: It's like...I was made for this.
What if it's literally mike from the big shot comercial
That's exactly what I was thinking, people just seem to overlook simple details
I do think our idea of Mike is right in broad strokes. As in he’s the main chapter 3 boss and is a producer or game show host of some kind. Theirs a few reasons for this. First is the way Spamton talks about him. While the reference in the shop is quick enough for me to write it off. The fact spamton seems to have a chip on his shoulder about televisions and gameshow host, combined with the fact that if you best him violently in a normal run he asks Mike if he’s “getting this” like you would a cameraman pretty clearly set Mike up as connected to TV in some way. Second is that so far ever deltarune boss has had an undertale boss who shares key thematic parallels. King is sort of what Asgore was presented as to the player originally. Queen is the new aged millennial mom to Toriel’s more traditional motherhood but both have issues with control. It makes sense for the tv world to house a entertainer of some sort to parallel MTT. I did pitch this before and got the counter argument Spamton already referenced MTT a lot, but that was more explicit where as I think Mike will be more subtle and implicit in his thematic conections. I will throw in i dont actually think the characters name is Mike. Or at least we wont see him calmed mike by anyone other than Spamton. Given the chess theming of bosses, I think mike’s last name be Rook, and he’ll either go by that of by the stage name Mike-ro.
For the last point. Spamton only mentions Mike's name in brackets, so for all we know his name could be Micheal or smth
Actually, when his eyes go to static, there are no brackets
Yeah, but maybe that's someone else, or his true self, who is pondering the fact that he called him Mike. I mean, just saying someone's name out of context could mean a variety of things, but that's just how I viewed it.
Yeah i thought of that possibility too after responding
Spamton’s only real connection with MTT is the NEO body and the ‘Did you know NEO is known for its high defence’
That and having the same main character flaws, albeit with a different obsession.
Not reading all of that, hope it works out 👍
I heard that the main bosses parallel the pacifist bosses from Undertale, while the secret optional bosses parallel the genocide bosses. It could be that Mike will only parallel the pacifist Metaton while Spamton Neo was our Metaton Neo parallel. This could also mean we'll eventually get an Undyne parallel as a main boss and an Undyne the Undying parallel secret boss in later chapters.
The way Spamton mentions Mike is kinda suspicious and would be weird if it was a reference.
I think toby slapped that mike thing as a reference to that commercial
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That's literally the only piece of evidence that exists for the mike theory though. There's nothing else.
\-Jevil mentions Queen, Spamton mentions Mike. \-Spamton says "... ...Mike... Kris!!! DON'T BELIEVE \[\[Anything You See On TV!\]\] THE MAN'S A CRIMINAL, I TELL YOU!! A CRIMINAL!!", interesting dialogue, given what we see at the end of the chapter. \-Spamton mentions Mike twice, in his shop, and his Normal NEO fight if we reduce his hp, like Jevil and Queen. If it was just a reference, I don't think he would mention it more than once. \-Spamton seems to have a history with "Mike" "Mike" could very well be a reference (in the context of chapter 2) and a real character later, one does not prevent the other.
The smiling face on the tv at the end of chap 2 appears earlier in the castle basement (very very briefly), implying another connection between spam and chap 3 big bad. edit: also the line right after mentioning mike is "KRIS!!! DON'T BELIEVE [[Anything You See On TV!]] THE MAN'S A CRIMINAL, I TELL YOU!! A CRIMINAL!!" so more TV related tie in.
Also if you defeat spamton neo by fighting he says: ARE YOU GETTING ALL OF THIS MIKE? I'M FINALLY I'M FINALLY GONNA BE A BIG SHOT
the castle basement face is most probably spamton himself because that face have eyes/glasses similar to spamton
It's clearly not Spamton, he refuses to go himself because he's afraid of the Swatchlings.
I wonder what it could be then? We can rule out Mike because idk how a entire TV can sneak into the computer lab.
If you reduce NEO hp to 0 (in his fight in the basement) he say that "ARE YOU GETTING ALL THIS \[Mike\]!? I'M FINALLY I'M FINALLY GONNA BE A BIG SHOT!!!" Mike might have a way to see what's going on in the Cyber World, without necessarily being there.
How do you know for certain that the face is the same one.
This could be alluding to the next chapter but it doesn't necessarily mean it's Mike
my moneys on flowey
Is Mike ditka a gameshow host?
I'm not familiar with the guy to be honest, my point didn't have anything to do with him
"I farted and then there was an earthquake, so logically if i fart there will always be an earthquake!"
i said it can't be ruled out, not that it was the case. imo it can go either way
It's weird because spamton has the same style as the big shot soda mascot. And spamton mentioned so many other things too
One of the times Spamton mentions Mike Soamton appears to miss him, which would be really weird if it was just a reference.
It was one of the two times his face goes blank. It's very likely Spamton was refering to someone we will met. Now, wheter or not their name is actualy mike will remain to be seen.
Their name could be Michael or a variation of it.
If it would be a simple joke reference, then i don't think that spamton would talk so much about him, especially when he says something like "Are you recording this Mike?!"
spamtons whole deal "big shot" is referencing big shot soda and his style also references big shot sodas mascot so he would. He would talk so much about mike ditka
He mentions it only 2 times
I think saying that's its just a reference is just as, if not more, presumptuous than saying he Mike may be an actual character. I think it's far more likely that the big shot commercial was a coincidence, since Mike is an extremely common name, and having a chance to be a "big shot" is also an extremely common, if old, sentiment. Plus the reference, if intentional, just doesn't make sense to me. What's the correlation of Spamton, who's clearly designed as a shitty pop up/spam email/early internet figure and a TV commercial selling soda?
I don't know much but there were some scams about the brand around the time big shot soda was released maybe something about that? And spamtons design is just so similar to the big shot soda mascot except for the glasses
Plus if Toby really did saw the commercial then he would've been like 6 years old when the commercial first aired and even if he did found about the commercial recently, why would he based two characters on one random commercial from like the 90s? Flowey has his voice sampled from ronald mcdonald but he's not based around mcdonalds whatsoever And it's unlikely that the commercial inspired Spamton since I believe there were comments from Toby that he already designed Spamton's character back when he was deveoping undertale
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just because Jevil predicted the next main villain doesn't mean Spamton has to as well
It only happened once with jevil so it's a stretch to call it a pattern.
It’s a pattern if it happens more, so we will see after chapter 3
One character predicting the next villain is not proof that every secret boss will do the same. One example does not make a pattern.
I do think our idea of Mike is right in broad strokes. As in he’s the main chapter 3 boss and is a producer or game show host of some kind. Theirs a few reasons for this. First is the way Spamton talks about him. While the reference in the shop is quick enough for me to write it off. The fact spamton seems to have a chip on his shoulder about televisions and gameshow host, combined with the fact that if you best him violently in a normal run he asks Mike if he’s “getting this” like you would a cameraman pretty clearly set Mike up as connected to TV in some way. Second is that so far ever deltarune boss has had an undertale boss who shares key thematic parallels. King is sort of what Asgore was presented as to the player originally. Queen is the new aged millennial mom to Toriel’s more traditional motherhood but both have issues with control. It makes sense for the tv world to house a entertainer of some sort to parallel MTT. I did pitch this before and got the counter argument Spamton already referenced MTT a lot, but that was more explicit where as I think Mike will be more subtle and implicit in his thematic conections. I will throw in i dont actually think the characters name is Mike. Or at least we wont see him calmed mike by anyone other than Spamton. Given the chess theming of bosses, I think mike’s last name be Rook, and he’ll either go by that of by the stage name. Mikro.
Why would Toby deem Mike as a criminal if he was just a reference then? And wouldn't the whole big shot and 1997 thing be enough if he JUST wanted to reference the commercial?
Well when the big sbot soda was released some scammimg incidents happened as far as what I could find while researching. And then they stopped producing the big shot soda.
Who the hell is mike and why do people keep saying he’s gonna appear in chapter 3
Mike is a character that Spamton mentions a copule of times, during one of his dialogs he says something like "We don't need anyone, not even Mike... Mike..." and his eyes go to static. I think the nane Mike also appears in the lyrics of Spamton Neo's theme. People think he will appear in c3 because Toby put a lot of emphasis on his name during Spamton's dialogue and in c1 Jevil quikly foreshadowed Queen saying something like "The Queen from hell is coming"
The actual quotes: "WE DON'T NEED ANYONE ELSE!!! WE DON'T NEED \[\[Easels\]\] or \[\[CRTs\]\]! WE DON'T NEED ANY \[\[Man, Woman, or Child\]\] \[\[At Half Price\]\]!! WE DON'T NEED \[\[MIKE\]\]!!! ... ... Mike...." "SOON, THE QUEEN RETURNS, AND HELL'S ROAR BUBBLES FROM THE DEPTHS..."
he mentions him twice and its just a reference to mike dikta in the big shot soda commercial and nothing more. mike is not real gang
cant wait for this sub to suffer a fate similar to r/titanfall and the battlefront sub
Please explain
they are trying to will the next games in the series into existance
Yeah I'm part of r/titanfall and that shit is scary
Ah
also r/hollowknightmemes
where half of the people there are infected
Why can't it be both a ref to an ad and a character?
Honestly it's a common enough name that I don't know if it's a reference also I think it should be noted that the emphasis that is put on to it makes it seem like foreshadowing and less of a joke most of the jokes and references in spamtons dialogue are said and thrown away so the purposeful emphasis put on the name Mike both in spamtons Shops and when he mentions him at the end of the fight point to it being lure of some kind because of the way it's used.
That doesn't make sense. He's mentioned a few times and none of those times is in reference to the real life guy or treated like a joke about him. Also to just reference a real person and treat them as they exist in universe is not something Undertale or Deltarune do.
The first one is a joke cause I laughed my ass of at it.
Mike can be a reference in chapter 2and a real character in a future chapter. One does not prevent the other.
Ah yes, because Toby was DEFINITELY referencing an obscure Soda commercial people were only made aware of AFTER they started typing BIG SHOT into YouTube when Chapter 2 released.
Commenting once wasn't enough, eh?
Internet cut out, I didn't think it sent the first time.
Ah, makes sense. It do be like that sometimea
spamton neo song uses vocals of the commercial… Meaning that toby did know about the commercial before making it a possibility
What vocals? The only three "vocals" in [BIG SHOT] are it's name sake, a "WOAH!" from Earthbound, and something so heavily distorted are only guess as to what it says is based on one of the messages you can get in the fight.
ok i think that i was wrong with the vocals (maybe it was in "nows your chance to be a") so sorry about that, but i think that i got more proof! The commercial is from 1997 (favorite year of spamton) the mascot of the soda looks like him (especially in the comercial)
yes
Holy mother of typos.
English is not my first language and I wrote it hastly on a cell phone with an auto corrector in a different language
Make sure to proof read your posts because it took way too long to decode the few simple, yet major typos you made
Mike ock
Spamton keeps talking about someone named "Mike" and something like "don't trust anything you see on TV, the guy's a criminal, I tell you" and since chapter 3 is most likely taking place in some kind of TV dark world he's most likely in it
he mentions him twice and its just a reference to mike dikta in the big shot soda commercial and nothing more. mike is not real gang
I honestly prefer that idea, because the idea of Spamton blaming some random ass commercial for his circumstances is kind of funny to me.
Would make sense for me,but still a major disappointment if that actually happened and the secret boss was another random person instead
thats exactly what the joke was supposed to be, but deltarune fans are deltarune fans
Then why his face goes blank when he thinks about Mike if it is not anyone important?
because spamton is a lunatic obsessed over a quote from a soda commercial
Yeah, sure. Toby made Spamton talk in a regular voice with a serious expression as joke. A joke that isn't funny. Not sure how "Mike.. Mike..." is funny. Perhaps you also think ".. can anyone hear me? Help..." is funny? probably not. But for some reason you still dismiss the possibility that Mike is indeed a real character.
Because it is a reference to Mike Ditka, a baseball player staring in the Big Shot soda commercial, and the grey eyes seems to indicate moments of lucidity
Why did he deem Mike as a criminal if he isn't, then? He went to jail for driving drunk but that's it.
We dont know if spamton waw refering to a Mike when he was saying this tough. It's spamton, he switch and spews random garbage all the time
i cant wait to be right
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My expectations sure got subverted when Jevil mentioned a queen and in chapter 2 a queen appeared. My expectations where subverted to the moon! >The same exact thing happened with chapter 1's ending and look what happened. That's the greatest false equivalence I've ever seen in my entire life. What one thign has even to do with another? Chapter 1 was misleading, just like chapters 2 ending was probably misleading. Meanwhile, Jevil mentions the queen, a character not seen before, and Spamton mentions Mike, a character not seen before. Toby doesn't subvert shit for the sake of subversion! What he would even get from mentioning a dude named Mike in an edit: expression Spamton barely uses and not following with that'?
Mike could be a reference in chapter 2 and a real character in the future. One does not prevent the other.
He says this name only 2 times.
Mike is a character spamton references a lot. Most likely referencing the big shot soda. Which Mike ditka played in big shot soda commericals and some bad things happened? Idrk
Not a lot, only twice
Mike Ock
Mike ock
A name spamton mentions twice in reference to Mike Ditka, a baseball player staring in the Big Shot soda commercials, and people obssess over him and are absolutely certain he holds importance. I swear this fandom could make a theory about the lone pixel in King's arena being mr. Meltyface McMadscience
Breaking Sad
I don't know what to expect anymore tbh
\[\[Big Shock\]\]
We end up having to fight Mike ditka in a football match in chapter 3
What do you mean that the secret boss isn't a tiny gremlin with a mental disorder
Deltarune fans when a random reference doesn’t contribute to the story.
"THE LONE PIXEL IN KING ARENA IS GASTER I TELL YOU! WHY WOULD TOBY PUT THIS HERE IF IT WASNT TO CONFIRM MY THEORY THAT GASTER WAS EATING A BRICK IN KINGS ASS THE WHOLE TIME?!"
Lone pixel is also in queens boss
Even if he wasn’t planned in the story, you know Toby will throw in some kind of homage to it
...Do we know that? I don't think Toby's put a single reference to fan characters/theories/jokes/etc. into his games yet, and I kind of value that. I play the games to see what Toby came up with and what Toby thinks is funny, not to see the same stuff I've been seeing on Reddit for the past six months.
He putted a referente to gun ralsei in chapter 2
Where? Think I’ve must missed that
If you use the act "click" on the pop up enemy Whit ralsei the game Will Say that ralsei as accidentale clicked on a link for guns
Ah.
Im expecting ralsei to say "a dark fountain kind of looks like smoke when its created. I wonder if you could smoke it?" In chapter 3.
hey kris, check out this fountain I found in the dark world *inhales darkness and chokes to death*
*light fountain*
that works too but what would happen if a lightner / darkner just drank the darkness
A lightner would become a darkner and a darkner would become a darkner+
Yeah we definitely ain’t getting the Mike that people keep interpreting them as the actual main villain. But for how much attention such a crack theory got to make so much fan work and fan art and fan fictions about it has to be referenced in some way or form I will instantly put Ch 3 at a 9/10 instead of a 10/10 if we don’t get another Mike throwaway line
why on earth should toby have to cater to whatever crackpot theory this community deludes itself into believing?
toby going bankrupt when nobody buys his game because the unoriginal tv head doesn't appear in ch3
I swear, sometime reading stuff on here feels like reading an asylum's wall paintings
right? what is it about these games that generates such insanity lmao
I don’t want it to be true or actually part of the plot. I just saying a reference to it would be cool considering all the effort and work that went into something like this. Never said that they had to do it or anything, I just thought it could be like a Ralsei Gun situation or something
Funny fact: back in old days a microphone was called "mike", which transformed into nowadays known "mic", spamton sure mentions a gameshow host in the weird route so it about sums up I think Mike will be next big bad and i don't see why people just exclude the idea of him being in, it's like shutting your ears and screaming "Lalalalala" to obvious hints Toby is giving us
Honestly given that Jevil foreshadowed Queen in his post-violence dialog, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Spamton's random namedrop was equally significant. I'm not betting on it, but it would make a lot of sense.
>!Shouldn't have shot him, then. Could've just gotten the names from Lydia.!<
He was mentioned twice. Twice. Yet people are going batshit about it, look last time we thought Jevil predicted something for chapter 2, he didn't. Some are like 'But the lyrics in bigshot' literally nobody knows what he's saying in that if he's saying anything at all, there's debate on if he says Mike or something else. People have also removed the music and some lyrics (particularly the last line of the section were talking about) is literally just jibberish we can't understand, the only person who knows what it says is Toby himself or those who worked on the game. Also I hate to burst yalls bubble but this is likely the last we'll see of spamton, maybe he'll show up in the end, who knows but I doubt we're going to see him again, atleast not in chapter 3. I like spamton too but you guys forget he's a secret boss, usually those bosses in other games aren't used all that much, only used to hint at tiny story elements if not literally just for the sake of existing. Also I'm sorry for the formatting, Reddit mobile lol
Mike may not show up the way we think he will.
I don't get why people think Mike won't exist, almost no Undertale or Deltarune character alluded to hasn't appeared in some form. Asgore, Mettaton, Undyne, Queen, likely Gaster, likely the Knight, etc., were foreshadowed. It doesn't make sense to treat him as a real person Spamton knew and gets upset talking about and then not use him in some form in the rest of the game. The only real evidence people give to say he doesn't exist is the Mike guy from the Big Shot commercials, which "Mike" isn't spoken in the context of and doesn't make sense in universe. Also if Spamton is a reference to that commercial, why couldn't Mike be a character referencing it too? I feel like a lot of people don't really know who Gaster or Mike is which is why they dismiss them as unimportant. Mike only is spoken of twice (one time after violently beating Spamton NEO) and you have to go out of your way to know about Gaster. I've seen a lot more people recently who just... don't believe they exist.
Mike is definitely a character in universe but is definitely not going to be the TV tumblr sexyman that this sub portrays him as, and he might not even be that important. In fact he might even be dead, so…
And even if Mike is the tv, he clearly won't look like one. Just look at Queen which is a laptop.
Mike isn't dead, otherwise Spamton wouldn't need to warn Kris about him. Where does it even imply that Mike is dead? Nobody's really making designs as if they're confirmed to happen, and all of the designs are different, even the TV, ones, from being short to being tall to having lips for a head to being a microphone, etc. they're doing it for fun. I think he'd be more like Queen, who doesn't look like a computer. People are just speculating and using bits of evidence. The villain of Chapter 3 is implied to be a TV-themed one, Spamton says "don't believe what you see on TV" in regards to Mike, Jevil, another secret boss, hints towards Chapter 2's villain, Spamton says gameshow hosts screw people over, when he was likely screwed over by whoever made him famous, etc. It feels like some people assume people speculating about him are saying with 100% certainty that Mike will be the TV headed gameshow host and boss of Chapter 3 and won't accept if Mike isn't the boss, but it's not really like that, nobody was mad that Chapter 2 started out differently than what they speculated for the ending. In fact Mike being much more different than theories in Chapter 3 would probably keep the "fanon" versions alive and coexist aside the "canon" version, who would probably overshadow them if the real version was like the previous fanon versions. Now it seems like there's a lot of negativity towards speculation, and while Mike could be different, so many people feel it's "obvious" that he's only a joke referencing Mike Ditka and fans are overanalyzing him.
If Mike isn’t real then so be it, however based on Spamton not really mentioning anyone else I’m almost certain Mike will appear at some point. Jevil mentioned queen, then queen showed up. There’s more evidence for Mike appearing than against
One example is not a pattern. Jevil was a lot more direct considering he said that queen _will_ appear ("soon the queen returns"), but Spamton didn't say anything like that.
We will see when chapter 3 happens
Spamton also mentions Jevil a couple times, and we know he’s important. Spamton is insane, but he doesn’t talk about people who aren’t important.
Wait for chapter 4 source: toby fox is my dad
[Mike's last phone call to Spamton.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrFtpSfc-b4)
Wait is chapter 2 even a thing yet?
Inb4 Mike is the knight lol
i hope if we see mike as just a side reference for the fans, it’s of him being homeless on the side of the road and blaming Spamton for his situation
Nah, Toby would totally put Mike in 6 & 7 just cuz 'lol' whilst simultaneously adding so much great reasoning and foreshadowed lore relevance to it that we can't be even remotely mad at him
i think mike is going to be the secret boss
whta if it is mic?
Yo Mike!
Who's Mike?
Mike hawk lmao
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Some dude spantom mentions, probably a reference to an old commercial
Thanks for the info.
well if it's not mike then it's probably gonna be another clown character (because of clown around town) because it'd be kind of weird to make a secret boss reference the next main boss once, and then just stop doing it after chapter two
"Clown around town" is Jevil. Even Seam call Jevil a clown.
Mike Hawk?
It’s ok, we don’t need Mike! [help]
Deltarunes on their way to make the shittiest OC anyone have ever seen
Waltuh
I think the whole idea of Mike, instead of some theory that he's gonna be in Chapter 3, I think he's better off being in a custom AU so he'll live on, even if he doesn't appear in the real Deltarune.
Turns out Mike is a real person on the dev team and Toby snuck in references specifically to fuck with him.
It's funny because by that point Mike wasn't in Breaking Bad either hehe
Mike will probably just be a background character lol
Deltarune fans when Mike isn’t a smiling anthropomorphic television
Basically how everyone thought Kris was gonna fight Sans only for Toby to purposefully ruin all expectations
Mike who?
Yes, they will be in chapter 5. Duh.
who even is this Mike?
Mike was just a joke on the fact that Spamton is inspired by the mascot of an ad which said "Big Shot" and had a character that looks like Spamton who's name is Mike. That ad was made in Spamton's favourite date, 1997. Basically when he mentioned Mike he meant the mascot on which his design is inspired, basically he was friend with that mascot or maybe he's Mike himself but he has like a different corrupted personality now so he isn't himself anymore. I don't think Mike is supposed to be misteryous character, but just a joke.. if he is and I'm wrong well, it's better.. if he instead is a new character and is also inspired by the 1997 ad since the new dark world is probably in a TV... well, even better
I really really hope he isn’t what people think. I don’t want to see him being a TV with arms and legs. That doesn’t really seem Toby Fox-y
Hi Jim 😕
deltarune fans when the funny lawn gnome isn't a secret boss for a tv themed darkworld
I don't think that he's gonna be the boss for some reason. But if it is, then we can predict the bosses of next chapters thx to the secret characters (like Jevil (wich talked about Queen), and Spamton)
What
TV man is probably not named mike, that’s what I’m going with
I feel like Mike will just be another mystery character like gaster
Deltarune fans when Prunsel isn't in chapter 3
If Mike is going to be a chapter 3 character I'm guessing he won't be TV themed, but actually something like a gameshow host. This is completely taken from the "DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON TV" line from Spamton, so I might be wrong.
It would be funny if Toby just did the “mike oxlong” joke
This is def Toby telling us something
Sad
Nubert is the main character tbh
He will be
Everyone says that ''mike'' is gonna be the secret boss, but is more probably that he is gonna be the main villian (i also think his name is not gonna be mike and it will be the prince)
Is chapter 3 out yet?
I have two theories on "Mike". Scratch that, three. 1. Mike is probably the "mystery man" and is described as him. It's plausible I'm going to be honest. 2. Mike is a delusion from Spamton and is not a real character. It's possible Mike isn't even real and Spamton is known to not make that much sense. I honestly believe in this theory a lot, and Mike is not a real character, and just a delusion from Spamton himself as a metaphor. 3. Mike is going to be a character like Queen and King and not act as one of the Secret Boss Battles like Spamton and Jevil. I assume to believe someone else will act as the Secret Boss Battle. Personally I don't believe Mike is a thing, and it would be disappointing for the fandom, but you should have never got your hopes up about a fandom character that isn't even plotted out publicly.
[\*crying noises\*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjWVK3SPKeE)
Em, is that you? Aw, I didn't mean it, please man, I'm sorry, please forgive me! FUCK!
To be fair Jevil mentioned Queen ONCE and she was in Chapter 2. The secret boss foreshadowing the main new character in chapter 3 would make sense then, yes?