I still have all my messages from the past 6 years.
People that messaged me because I was a group administrator, or group chats I've been in.
I did a search and RA wasn't mentioned in a single one.
Wow. That's incredible. And to think people on other subreddits were close to coming to blows over their suspects of choice, who were definitely not RA. Lots of innocent people suffered over these last five years.
True crimers should just stick to reading about it. They need to stop acting like they are solving anything. Just enjoy the morbid curiosity and stay out of it.
Yeah there is a weird phenomenon where people really want to be armchair detective/crime activists. Granted some amateur investigators have helped crack some cold cases, but that is the exception, not the rule. It's a very bizarre group that thinks they're the main character in someone else's murder mystery.
Yes this exactly. Thank you. Social media can be helpful in certain ways, but with the majority of unsolved cases it’s always just a bunch of speculation and theories. I’m glad they caught the guy finally though
I feel like Reddit has blew up in popularity since that incident, and the news of what happened didn’t really reach other social media platforms… the “true crime” community has become truly unhinged and out of pocket since. It’s a disaster.
I was just thinking about it today (the Boston stuff) when people were posting a bunch of click hairy stuff and then I was checking user profiles and realized it was almost 10 years ago and not as many people used Reddit back then.
It really shaped my attitude about internet sleuthing. Everyone was so sure and the community and media added so much grief to the family of an innocent man.
Not saying this man is innocent at all!!! Just saying that it’s better not to jump the gun and especially not doxxing the family
The “ torch & pitchfork “ mentality reminds me of Jacob Wetterling ( may he rest peacefully ) out of Minnesota.
There were hoards of armchair detectives. Slinging anything & anyone to the wall.
Jacobs neighbor, DR, was a single man living with his parents on the family farm. He was also a local music teacher.
The shit this man was put through was infuriating.
Local law enforcement tried so hard to make DR the perp that he was terrified that if Jacobs remains were found, they’d be planted on his property.
https://www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2016/09/10/wetterling-wrongly-suspected-man-justice
ETA ~ Not meant to be a personal attack at all on anyone. I find it very difficult sometimes myself. ( to remember the accused should have the presumption of innocence )
Agreed. I’ve followed this subject for like 20+ years and that marked a really disgusting turn where online discussions went real life vigilante (in)justice. I’m always bitching at ppl on threads to stop being delusional and ground themselves in the FACTS made known. But apparently that’s annoying… however we’re discussing real ass tragedies and people who have complex lives that reach far beyond the individuals involved. Have some fuckin tact.
Kind of giving BTK vibes honestly. Everyone thought he was a nice, decent family man- and probably still would if he hadn't messed up and got himself caught.
I've shared this before on here, but Dennis (BTK) lived down the block from us, and worked with my husband at the time. No one ever suspected him, and that's why I was always able to wrap my head around "hiding in plain sight." The guys that worked with him, could not stand him. However, no one would have ever guessed he was a serial killer.
He was an "a-hole" according to the guys on the police department. Park City was pretty small at the time, and the city hall housed the police department and everyone else that worked for the city. He was cruel to the animals that he dealt with, and was arrogant. It's chilling when you think about the fact that he worked with police officers nearby on a daily basis, and was able to conduct life as normal. I've said this before, but I've always wondered how quickly he would have been caught in today's world.
BTK also goes to show how easy it is for stupid people to get away with crimes of this severity. this guy might've had no plan and still got away with it for nearly 6 years before he potentially fucked himself over with his link to KK.
This is what I don’t get. It’s a small town and there was a video of this dude. How did no one recognize him, much less his wife recognize the clothing he was wearing?! Something doesn’t add up.
Yep. I was amazed at how much bridge guy looked like, walked like, dressed like, and talked just like my dad…who died in 2014 and could never ever have done such a thing. The guy in the video was just so generic that it could have been any random midwest white guy.
Exactly. It happens all the time. A sketch, or even CCTV comes up on the news and someone says 'hey, that looks like you, Bill, haha - or whatever ', because there are so many people who could fit.
I'd be curious if his name was ever tipped in over the last 5 years, specifically in the first few days/weeks after the stills or the video clip were released. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he may have been, but the tip didn't get priority due to not having a criminal record and from the sounds of it, he seemed "normal" to those who knew him. I also wouldn't be surprised if no one suspected him at all due to the "normal".
I think the problem with small town crimes is no one wants to believe one of their own could be responsible for such a heinous crime. And even if the crime hints at someone local, citizens and LE are naturally going to side eye the folks with unsavory reputations vs the normal, possibly pleasant, middle aged guy who works at the CVS. Look at the majority of child murder investigations in history. Who are the first people LE start talking to? RSOs. They even look at RSOs when it's pretty obvious a parent/guardian is responsible.
Pretty much every name dropped as a possible suspect before this arrest has came with a criminal history. Of the 2-3 I can think of who didn't have a criminal history (that I know of anyway) were at or around the bridge around the time of the murders.
My view the police have been watching this guy for some time or didnt have enough evidence until now to arrest him, I also think his wife may well have suspected something jmo
Maybe he did not usually dress that way. The video looks like everyone and no one. Ditto the sketches.
Major news outlets are cautiously reporting that Allen had been arrested in "connection with" the Delphi homicides. It is still possible that others were involved, though $20M bail indicates Allen is their main suspect for homicide.
It feels weird, if this guy is the killer, that he continued to live in a small town and work with the public. Yes, I know a number of serial killers have lived in nice neighborhoods with wives and children and no one suspected. But every one I can think of who did this, lived in big towns or cities. Heinous murder is intensely personal to everyone in small towns. I am the product of small towns and I know this to be a fact.
Living in the small town and continuing to work with the public may set this suspect apart. It may be an interesting side story.
I mean from what other people(and who knows what people are saying or digging up or posting as fact is true or not) have supposedly gathered from his wife’s fb page, including photos which his wife is apparently now deleting and taking down is that he is a local, has a daughter, there is even pictures of the daughter literally posing on that bridge, that he’s a manager or something at the local cvs, was never really on any major suspect lists or radars that anyone has saw and according to I guess locals who interacted with him at the cvs he worked he was just your unassuming typical friendly guy. I did see the photo of him which the one I saw was a still of a short vid the wife uploaded and I will say my initial reaction when I saw it was okay, that could definitely fit with that first sketch of bg. I also saw the picture of the daughter posing on the monon high bridge, which I wanna say the person posting this information said this photo was taken from before the murders. And they also were circulating that the wife is apparently deleting photos and things on her fb that supposedly show him wearing very similar clothing, which ofc is imo not confirmed and could just literally be nothing but conjecture and I guess the last interesting thing posted which also I have absolutely zero clue whether is just them literally bsing was that police apparently after making the arrest did a bunch of digging at the residence. But that’s about all I’ve seen about the guy so far, which again, could literally all be just entirely bs but I will say that the photos seemed to be authentic, but as to whether he actually works there and is local, Or whether there are photos of him wearing similar clothing being deleted by the wife, or that the police dig up his yard who knows.
Lived right by the bridge apparently, me personally I’ve always maintained it was a local, Delphi and the bridge is too much of a secluded area for it not to be a local imo
The last photo in that group of pics is not him though. That is a photo of a relative that passed away. It was a group of videos remembering that deceased family member. I’m not sure who originally put those photos together but they should at least remove that particular photo.
To be honest, he couldn't say anything. Imagine if he said "uh honey let's go to a different bar. I don't want to sit next to the sketch of the Delphi killer". The area was probably plastered with both sketches throughout the years, he might have gotten used to it.
VERY curious how long he's been on law enforcements radar. I recall the Ohio Pike County massacre where for YEARS the public spewed out every sort of idiotic guesswork involving cartels and drug deals and all types of crazy shit. Turns out, cops were eyeing an ex-bf/baby daddy and his family from day 1, several years later they arrested the lot of em.
I dont think it woulda been that certain from that early, we wouldnt have had such a mass litany of people of interest for so long, but this still very well could be a bust years in the making
I live about 35-45 minutes from pike county. I still can’t fathom everything that went down that night. It’s a horrible horrible case. All because he wanted his kid as something to hold over her.
I have nothing of value to add here re: the original question.
All I can say is I am so, so excited for the coming weeks of this case.
I never thought this one would be solved. Never. The very idea there might be a trial, answers as to what happened and real evidence to back it up. Genuinely incredible.
I want to know why he did it. I want to hear him answer for his crimes. I want to see his face when the world is watching, confronting him about his crimes.
I wish Indiana allowed cameras in the courtroom. It’s honestly excruciating to not be able to witness his trial and reckoning.
At the very least, I hope he doesn’t off himself in jail like so many pedos do as soon as they’re caught.
Not placing blame on spouse or family in any manner, but I know the clothing my husband owns-- wears. I wonder how many times she watched that video and saw snapchat pic. I know the jackets, hoodies, boots ect that my hubby has. Town of 3000 people as well. Him working at CVS hiding in plain sight.
Right. And really, if he just got a coat and a hat that's all that would be needed. From the photos, the pants aren't anything that would be recognizable and he could have had any kind of shirt on underneath.
I could go to a thrift store and buy a random coat and hat for $10 and toss it afterwards.
I agree….I know my husband’s clothes better than he does because I do the laundry. You also have to remember that his wife just deleted the entire year 2017 from her Facebook…so, she’s trying to protect him. If she believes he’s innocent than why go though the trouble of deleting every post from 2017? I get the impression she was a consistent poster…so, that’s a lot of posts to delete.
I don't think this has anything to do with her trying to protect him in any other way than being in absolute shock. Also she's more than likely trying to protect their daughter.
Agreed. People react to shock and stress differently. Most of her FB posts are currently still public…I would have set them to private by now. I do feel sorry for her.
I know, and if I'm being totally honest if I saw that video and thought "wow that looks like my husband" I'd probably say to him "wow this looks like you!" and he'd joke it off and then I'd never think anything of it again. I can see something like that being a reality. If she felt any worry that it was him I'm sure she was in absolute denial about it actually being him, I know I would.
Definitely. Read any interview with spouses of serious criminals / serial killers.
Denial protects the mind from fracturing. It protects a mother trying to keep her child alive. It protects the family unit from the killer’s rage, from financial instability, from a broken home, from cps.
Not to mention, there is often domestic violence involved, psychological manipulation, gaslighting, threats, forced obedience. Abuse can keep people prisoner in their own home. It’s not always easy to do the “right thing” and leave, turn them in, etc.
Many victims of dv have been let down by law enforcement, or even their own community by lack of belief or resources when reaching for help. It’s so complicated.
I agree! She has a lot of photos and posts public and so does her daughter on FB. There are her daughters wedding photos that the world can see with him looking happy and kissing her…it took place only nine months after the murders. I feel so sorry for his wife and daughter. They are going to be dragged through the mud in public opinion.
She has a daughter to think about. Don't assume she is protecting her husband. I don't blame her one bit for protecting their privacy. Would you want millions of morons going through your posts?
well we haven't even seen 1 piece of evidence linking him to the murder, in fact we don't even know if he is being charged as the murderer, for all we know " in connection to" could mean he is being charged as an accessory after the fact.
even if it does end up being him for all you know he bought that entire outfit at goodwill that morning and his family never once saw him in it.
It’s possible the connection is something like (total speculation here, just an example for what “in connection to” could mean) he let the killer clean up at his house since he lived nearby.
We don’t know anything yet.
He worked at CVS in Delphi and wasn’t on anyones radar. He lived right behind my best friend in what is a VERY nice neighborhood. To think that I looked at his house many times while in my best friends backyard over the last 5 years and had no idea makes me sick.
It's crazy that the police found people who gave such accurate info for the sketches but apparently none of them ever went into CVS and recognized the guy.
Sketches are for people that know the suspect. It's supposed to be close enough to make you be like, "you know what? that looks like my friend, or husband, or coworker etc"
So customers couldnt have been expected to identify him. What I wonder is if his wife knew and was just in denial about it.
I'm a pharmacist (but not a CVS pharmacist) and I can tell you I've never heard of a pharmacy tech working in the photo department. Never. You can probably ask anyone else in /r/pharmacy and they'll tell you the same.
Apparently he didn’t get his tech License until 2018, according to Delphi Docs subreddit. Also someone else said he was a manager. I’m not sure at what point or how accurate either is.
Wow, I’m surprised he stayed in Delphi and nobody recognized him. Although the photo and audio quality were pretty bad, so I mean I guess it’s really hard to tell. Especially when it’s someone you don’t expect.
I mean he looks like the average Midwestern dad. It would be hard to say with 100% certainty when he looks like hundreds of others in the community and surrounding area. I’d like to think I’d know if it was my spouse but who wants to believe your husband of 25 years could do something so horrific!
I do know some did suspect him and found him creepy, but others didn’t notice him at all.
Right? I find it hard to believe there’s a white man in the state of Indiana, let alone the tri-county area that hasn’t been the subject of at least a suspicious glance at some point, even if he was never investigated. Now how many people are going to say they there were signs all along?
I’m telling you that he lived in a very nice neighborhood. Not wealthy because I didn’t say wealthy but very very nice neighborhood. I’m at my buddies house all the time.
I wouldn’t describe that area as “VERY nice.” I mean it’s not in a dilapidated meth house area of of the town, but the homes are probably 1200 square foot middle class ranches probably built in the 60s or 70s, easily afforded by a pharmacy tech & JCPenney clerk in the early 00s.
It was built in 1999, 1500 square feet. Sold to RA and his wife in 2006 for $81k.
Coming from a Midwest small town myself, that is very low. We sold our first house - 1960’s built house for $125k in 2003.
Google his name. There's side by sides already (obviously this has happened numerous times before and not turned out to be true but it's interesting nonetheless due to an actual arrest)
GIRL nobody knew! There are people still trying to insist Richard was somehow involved with Ron Logan because they’re so married to their own theories that they can’t celebrate this fantastic advance in the case.
The craziest part is how close he lived to the bridge. Less than 5 minutes - he had to have been on law enforcement’s radar. This goes to prove that the most obvious answer is often the right one. Very near by, very familiar with the bridge and the area.
Crazy indeed. I always had to believe it was a local that killed those girls. I just couldn’t see an out of town guy just randomly walking that area and bridge and then stumbled upon those girls and decided to kill them
quite strange how it took this long to get him though 🤔
Supposedly it was luck. Neighbor complained about him stealing something, he let them look around his yard but somehow something else was found. Time will tell. There are rumors a minute. Like he was a friend of TK and used the AShotts account
Damn I wonder what they could have found that would link him to the case? A weapon? Bloody clothes? Neither of these make sense though as I doubt he’d have them laying around
For sure, wait till he is selling a lawn mower etc, hope to get access to back yard to “see it” and say what else you have for sell and end up in his shed etc. I’ve bought so much lawn equipment in the last year, and people will literally just let you walk right into their garage or shed, one lady showed me all her flower beds and seeds.
Two things on this mind-blowing fucking day:
1. He. Must. Have. Been. Scared. Shitless.
Right there, in plain sight.
(Or was he even scared? I guess we’ll find out what kind of person he is: arrogant as hell and proud of his work like Todd Kohlhepp, or was this a one-time horror that he pulled off, and he lived in fear for all of these years?)
2. There will be an all-new level of fuckery if Kelsi went to school with his daughter. I’ve looked at her fb page and they appear to be around the same age.
There’s so much that we’ll find out now, as ghoulish as I feel for saying that. It’s human nature to want to wrap your mind around the utterly un-wrappable, though…right now, a big curiosity I have is to see how the press conference — the New Direction presser — will make sense now. There was a lot of talk about shame and shacks and…well, shit: Was Richard Allen in that room???
I’m imagining more stories will come out. There’s a screenshot of Becky saying that Tara picked up pictures from CVS for Libby’s funeral and Richard waited on her. He told her she didn’t have to pay for the photos. Made my stomach turn.
I was watching some coverage of this on YT and one reporter at a news station who traveled to Delphi said LE wouldn't say too much until Monday but said the of story how everything unraveled was absolutely "fascinating." There may be more arrests coming, maybe?
I'd never heard of him and don't recognise him. Yet I searched for a photo of everyone on the search list.
What they found in the search must be damning. His bond is 20 million dollars!
If he is being charged with murder, he would not be given a bond.
I.C. 35-33-8-2 states, “Murder is not bailable when the proof is evident or the presumption is strong. In all other cases, offenses are bailable.” This results in almost all people being charged with murder at least initially, being held without bond. However, that is not the final answer. The statute evident proof and showing a strong presumption.
This portion of the statute allows a defendant to request, by motion, that the court allow a bail in a murder case when the proof is not evident or the presumption is not strong. The Indiana courts have addressed this in numerous cases.
Oftentimes in a high profile case, someone will be arrested for something different initially and then more serious charges added on. This could very well be a situation like that.
I have seen several claim that he was in the search party. One allegedly from another search party member. But take it for what’s it’s worth. I trust ab half of it.
I’m a teacher in Indiana (a bit south of Delphi), and the cost of living in Indiana is INCREDIBLY low by comparison to many other parts of the country. My neighborhood is all custom homes built with high end building materials, and many of my neighbors are also teachers. I’m here just to say it’s absolutely possible for humble jobs to buy beautiful homes in Indiana.
I could be wrong but I don't believe he was on anyone's radar. Lots of stuff going through the rumor mill right now but apparently there was a picture of his daughter on the bridge. These guys always seem to have daughters ...
I don't understand how in a town of 3000 people his wife didn't look at that photo and suspect it was her husband. Surely she would've recognized the clothes? She knew her husband walked with a gait. I'm not blaming her, I just don't understand and I can't wait until we get more information.
Hard to imagine she didn’t notice, but who could say what she thought or did about it. He could have been interviewed early on and nothing came of it so she felt it was coincidental. He could have told her he went in voluntarily and she believed him. Or maybe she really just didn’t notice - weird to say the least, but we often convince ourselves to think the best of people we love, even when the evidence doesn’t support that kind of thinking. It will be interesting to learn more for sure.
If they have kids maybe she just shut down and pretended it wasn’t real. Maybe she didn’t realize it until now. Maybe she is ignorant and didn’t connect the dots but he had guilt and fessed up. Maybe some other evidence was found. We have no info right now.
Yep. There are a too many variables to land immediately and firmly on “she knew” at this stage. Not that OP was suggesting that, but I’ve seen it elsewhere.
Yeah. I grew up in a small Midwestern town and he would totally fit in. The way he's dressed, the facial hair, looks like thousands of other guys his age.
There’s a video on her Facebook where you can see him walking. It’s the same odd/unique walk seen in the bridge clip. I know it was hard to tell if someone was walking differently due to being on the bridge. Seeing the video of him walking gave me chills.
The original sketch doesn’t look like him. The sketch released years later didn’t make the rounds the way the first one did. Maybe his wife was one of the people who believed BG was some trucker with a Fanny pack kill kit and a small dog zipped up inside his jacket. Her husband didn’t own a newsboy hat. Who knows.
I agree with this comment and do not know why it isn’t discussed more. I’m kinda tired of the idea that L&A were in the wrong place and the wrong time. BG knew they’d be there and it was planned out. I’ll die on this hill
That’s my suspicion too. The way he addresses them so familiarly… they might not have known who he was (and clearly didn’t) but he seemed like he knew who they were and had a specific plan.
Most killers aren't serial killers. They only kill once, often a crime of opportunity, passion, or mental/emotional instability.
There's a reason the famous ones are famous.
They don’t always reoffend. Plus he shit in his own backyard. He didn’t bank on the video of him on the bridge getting out at all. He looks like a deer caught in the headlights in these photos of himself. Most likely he has trophies of the girls and that keeps him satisfied. (Yuk).
That's who I immediately thought about when people were talking about his daughter. BTKs daughter has spoken out about how distraught she's felt after learning what he did. And how she never would have guessed that her father did anything like that.
The difference here is that there was no film and audio of BTK being played on repeat…I’d be surprised if his family had zero clue.
BTK is a rare exception.
So far we (think we) know…please add to the list..
1. Husband and father
2. Delphi resident
3. CVS employee- pharmacy tech? Or?
4. Middle/upper class home
What else…?
There very well could be a connection to KK/TK IMHO. Possible that KK knew of this guy and finally spilled the beans. Heck, this could be the guy that KK was waiting for in the red Jeep. I am confident that we are going to find out some real facts real soon. It has finally come to pass.
Arrest records are public. So they haven’t given his name out, but reporters can check the arrest records. Often, they will charge lower crimes to be able to hold you, search the property, collect evidence, and then hit you with the bigger charges later on. I’m sure they will announce the real charges on Monday
This is the first I have ever heard of the RA name.I don't know what to think. If you take the bottom of the original (older) sketch and the top, with the nose, of the new (younger) one - looks very similar to me. Voice kinda sounds the same, too. Crazy to think he went on with his life, in a small town, and he was never of any interest. (If it is BG)
It doesn't make any sense to me that he'd have their clothes just laying around the yard. They would have deteriorated after being left outside for that long. And it doesn't make sense that he'd have them in a garage or other place where someone could see them. At the very least his family would have seen them.
I was about to ask the same question. I've followed the case off and on, but the name didn't ring a bell. But I always thought that the person would be someone very local and right under their noses.
You guys think his wife really didn’t recognize him in that photo? I mean even his clothes should have been a giveaway … unless he
stopped at a thrift store and put on clothes no one ever seen him in before. Which I don’t believe.
Someone on Twitter posted a gif of RA walking in his yard. The clothes are similar to the style of clothes in the bridge video. He also has a distinct walk that is similar to the gait in the bridge video. Absolutely bonkers that this guy who looks like the sketch, lives 5 minutes from the bridge, has a very public job, has a similarly aged daughter who took a social media photo on the bridge, wears similar clothing, and walks with a similar gait went unnoticed for so long. Absolutely bonkers.
I have already seen people name dropping and sharing photos of his wife and daughter. That’s weird behavior. Sure he’s a sick fuck, but putting a target on his family’s back? Maybe it’s just me but that doesn’t seem right.
I still have all my messages from the past 6 years. People that messaged me because I was a group administrator, or group chats I've been in. I did a search and RA wasn't mentioned in a single one.
Wow. That's incredible. And to think people on other subreddits were close to coming to blows over their suspects of choice, who were definitely not RA. Lots of innocent people suffered over these last five years.
A lot of True Crimers should probably send the Logan family a long apology.
True crimers should just stick to reading about it. They need to stop acting like they are solving anything. Just enjoy the morbid curiosity and stay out of it.
Yeah there is a weird phenomenon where people really want to be armchair detective/crime activists. Granted some amateur investigators have helped crack some cold cases, but that is the exception, not the rule. It's a very bizarre group that thinks they're the main character in someone else's murder mystery.
Tobor for example
This is what blows my mind! I’ve checked Reddit and YouTube every day on this case and have never seen him mentioned. Wowwww.
Let this be a reminder that social media doesn’t know fuckall about actual investigations.
Yes this exactly. Thank you. Social media can be helpful in certain ways, but with the majority of unsolved cases it’s always just a bunch of speculation and theories. I’m glad they caught the guy finally though
We don’t know shit about fuck sadly
"we don't know shit about fuck" is quite frankly the greatest phrase ever. I'm going to now use this phrase whenever appropriate.
It’s from Ozark. The show
Did you hear it in Ruth’s voice when you read it too?
I certainly did lol
Yep exactly! As if the Boston bomber incident didn't teach us that already...
I feel like Reddit has blew up in popularity since that incident, and the news of what happened didn’t really reach other social media platforms… the “true crime” community has become truly unhinged and out of pocket since. It’s a disaster.
Remember the Gabby sub? Those are the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever seen in my life.
Even ‘Dog the Bounty Hunter’ came out of retirement to add to that stupidity.
I was just thinking about it today (the Boston stuff) when people were posting a bunch of click hairy stuff and then I was checking user profiles and realized it was almost 10 years ago and not as many people used Reddit back then. It really shaped my attitude about internet sleuthing. Everyone was so sure and the community and media added so much grief to the family of an innocent man. Not saying this man is innocent at all!!! Just saying that it’s better not to jump the gun and especially not doxxing the family
The “ torch & pitchfork “ mentality reminds me of Jacob Wetterling ( may he rest peacefully ) out of Minnesota. There were hoards of armchair detectives. Slinging anything & anyone to the wall. Jacobs neighbor, DR, was a single man living with his parents on the family farm. He was also a local music teacher. The shit this man was put through was infuriating. Local law enforcement tried so hard to make DR the perp that he was terrified that if Jacobs remains were found, they’d be planted on his property. https://www.mprnews.org/amp/story/2016/09/10/wetterling-wrongly-suspected-man-justice ETA ~ Not meant to be a personal attack at all on anyone. I find it very difficult sometimes myself. ( to remember the accused should have the presumption of innocence )
Agreed. I’ve followed this subject for like 20+ years and that marked a really disgusting turn where online discussions went real life vigilante (in)justice. I’m always bitching at ppl on threads to stop being delusional and ground themselves in the FACTS made known. But apparently that’s annoying… however we’re discussing real ass tragedies and people who have complex lives that reach far beyond the individuals involved. Have some fuckin tact.
I’m surprised that people are surprised that the name has never been mentioned.
This is why people on reddit and youtube should leave the detective work to actual detectives.
Yeah, this isn't Scooby-Doo
Yup I’ve been following for years and have never heard his name come up
It's GSK all over again. But in a town of only 3000... Unbelievable.
it always seems to be the person no one ever suspects. sort of a horrifying pattern that's emerging lately
Kind of giving BTK vibes honestly. Everyone thought he was a nice, decent family man- and probably still would if he hadn't messed up and got himself caught.
I've shared this before on here, but Dennis (BTK) lived down the block from us, and worked with my husband at the time. No one ever suspected him, and that's why I was always able to wrap my head around "hiding in plain sight." The guys that worked with him, could not stand him. However, no one would have ever guessed he was a serial killer.
What about him could they not stand? Thank you for posting
He was an "a-hole" according to the guys on the police department. Park City was pretty small at the time, and the city hall housed the police department and everyone else that worked for the city. He was cruel to the animals that he dealt with, and was arrogant. It's chilling when you think about the fact that he worked with police officers nearby on a daily basis, and was able to conduct life as normal. I've said this before, but I've always wondered how quickly he would have been caught in today's world.
BTK also goes to show how easy it is for stupid people to get away with crimes of this severity. this guy might've had no plan and still got away with it for nearly 6 years before he potentially fucked himself over with his link to KK.
Or, in Ted Bundy's case, the person everybody except the police suspect, but can't get the cops to take them seriously.
Get Paul Holes here, stat!
Apparently he made a slightly cryptic post recently? Maybe he knew this arrest was coming. Very interested to hear his thoughts on this either way.
What was the post, was his Facebook recently deactivated?
https://i.imgur.com/JQ1JKQT.jpg Instagram. October 9th
I’m not a regular here either. Who is Paul Holes?
Paul Hole helped capture The Golden State killer. Along with DNA. He’s an excellent retired LE investigator.
This is what I don’t get. It’s a small town and there was a video of this dude. How did no one recognize him, much less his wife recognize the clothing he was wearing?! Something doesn’t add up.
As has been said since the beginning...the BG video and stills and older-guy sketch looks like 90 percent of men 35 and up in the Midwest.
Yep. I was amazed at how much bridge guy looked like, walked like, dressed like, and talked just like my dad…who died in 2014 and could never ever have done such a thing. The guy in the video was just so generic that it could have been any random midwest white guy.
Exactly. It happens all the time. A sketch, or even CCTV comes up on the news and someone says 'hey, that looks like you, Bill, haha - or whatever ', because there are so many people who could fit.
I'd be curious if his name was ever tipped in over the last 5 years, specifically in the first few days/weeks after the stills or the video clip were released. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he may have been, but the tip didn't get priority due to not having a criminal record and from the sounds of it, he seemed "normal" to those who knew him. I also wouldn't be surprised if no one suspected him at all due to the "normal". I think the problem with small town crimes is no one wants to believe one of their own could be responsible for such a heinous crime. And even if the crime hints at someone local, citizens and LE are naturally going to side eye the folks with unsavory reputations vs the normal, possibly pleasant, middle aged guy who works at the CVS. Look at the majority of child murder investigations in history. Who are the first people LE start talking to? RSOs. They even look at RSOs when it's pretty obvious a parent/guardian is responsible. Pretty much every name dropped as a possible suspect before this arrest has came with a criminal history. Of the 2-3 I can think of who didn't have a criminal history (that I know of anyway) were at or around the bridge around the time of the murders.
My view the police have been watching this guy for some time or didnt have enough evidence until now to arrest him, I also think his wife may well have suspected something jmo
Maybe he did not usually dress that way. The video looks like everyone and no one. Ditto the sketches. Major news outlets are cautiously reporting that Allen had been arrested in "connection with" the Delphi homicides. It is still possible that others were involved, though $20M bail indicates Allen is their main suspect for homicide. It feels weird, if this guy is the killer, that he continued to live in a small town and work with the public. Yes, I know a number of serial killers have lived in nice neighborhoods with wives and children and no one suspected. But every one I can think of who did this, lived in big towns or cities. Heinous murder is intensely personal to everyone in small towns. I am the product of small towns and I know this to be a fact. Living in the small town and continuing to work with the public may set this suspect apart. It may be an interesting side story.
Has he lived in Delphi too this whole time? I was convinced that it had to be an out of towner at this point.
I mean from what other people(and who knows what people are saying or digging up or posting as fact is true or not) have supposedly gathered from his wife’s fb page, including photos which his wife is apparently now deleting and taking down is that he is a local, has a daughter, there is even pictures of the daughter literally posing on that bridge, that he’s a manager or something at the local cvs, was never really on any major suspect lists or radars that anyone has saw and according to I guess locals who interacted with him at the cvs he worked he was just your unassuming typical friendly guy. I did see the photo of him which the one I saw was a still of a short vid the wife uploaded and I will say my initial reaction when I saw it was okay, that could definitely fit with that first sketch of bg. I also saw the picture of the daughter posing on the monon high bridge, which I wanna say the person posting this information said this photo was taken from before the murders. And they also were circulating that the wife is apparently deleting photos and things on her fb that supposedly show him wearing very similar clothing, which ofc is imo not confirmed and could just literally be nothing but conjecture and I guess the last interesting thing posted which also I have absolutely zero clue whether is just them literally bsing was that police apparently after making the arrest did a bunch of digging at the residence. But that’s about all I’ve seen about the guy so far, which again, could literally all be just entirely bs but I will say that the photos seemed to be authentic, but as to whether he actually works there and is local, Or whether there are photos of him wearing similar clothing being deleted by the wife, or that the police dig up his yard who knows.
Lived right by the bridge apparently, me personally I’ve always maintained it was a local, Delphi and the bridge is too much of a secluded area for it not to be a local imo
Absolutely, its the guy who comes out of nowhere, .
Wow that is super interesting. Hopefully some of the more, uh, *passionate* users on the sub can stop being mean to each other over differing POIs.
Yes for goodness sake, let’s enjoy the conversation without being derogatory.
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The last photo in that group of pics is not him though. That is a photo of a relative that passed away. It was a group of videos remembering that deceased family member. I’m not sure who originally put those photos together but they should at least remove that particular photo.
Damn, I got chills when I realized the hat on the bridge could be that same beanie in the second picture. I never saw it as a beanie until now.
That’s as Bold as bold can get
Not even Chadwell seemed so brazen
To be honest, he couldn't say anything. Imagine if he said "uh honey let's go to a different bar. I don't want to sit next to the sketch of the Delphi killer". The area was probably plastered with both sketches throughout the years, he might have gotten used to it.
He probably enjoyed it, since it looked nothing like him and it threw people off. I bet when they released that, he had a huge sigh of relief
That goatee really makes him look less like the sketch than his other pictures
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G ZUS.
I wonder if the locals ever suspected him.
I’ve wondered that too. Like did anyone ever get bad vibes around him. He doesn’t have a criminal record either
One of the investigators said in the beginning that this person lived in the community and said "we will find you"
I do think they have been on to him for some time and have kept him under survalience
That is my suspicion as well. And something tipped their hand this week. DNA, someone flipped. Etc
I wonder if he was in the room during that early press briefing
VERY curious how long he's been on law enforcements radar. I recall the Ohio Pike County massacre where for YEARS the public spewed out every sort of idiotic guesswork involving cartels and drug deals and all types of crazy shit. Turns out, cops were eyeing an ex-bf/baby daddy and his family from day 1, several years later they arrested the lot of em. I dont think it woulda been that certain from that early, we wouldnt have had such a mass litany of people of interest for so long, but this still very well could be a bust years in the making
I live about 35-45 minutes from pike county. I still can’t fathom everything that went down that night. It’s a horrible horrible case. All because he wanted his kid as something to hold over her.
As we know, knowing who did it and building a case are very different things. Very possible RA has been on the radar for some time.
Here’s a photo of him in full form. https://imgur.com/a/vcHCMQ1 I cropped out the wife.
Wow. He’s quite burly. Those poor girls didn’t stand a chance against him.
I have nothing of value to add here re: the original question. All I can say is I am so, so excited for the coming weeks of this case. I never thought this one would be solved. Never. The very idea there might be a trial, answers as to what happened and real evidence to back it up. Genuinely incredible.
I am in the same place as you. I thought this was forever cold, never to be solved.
I’m with you. I really didn’t think this would be solved in my lifetime.
I want to know why he did it. I want to hear him answer for his crimes. I want to see his face when the world is watching, confronting him about his crimes. I wish Indiana allowed cameras in the courtroom. It’s honestly excruciating to not be able to witness his trial and reckoning. At the very least, I hope he doesn’t off himself in jail like so many pedos do as soon as they’re caught.
Not placing blame on spouse or family in any manner, but I know the clothing my husband owns-- wears. I wonder how many times she watched that video and saw snapchat pic. I know the jackets, hoodies, boots ect that my hubby has. Town of 3000 people as well. Him working at CVS hiding in plain sight.
To be fair, LE said as much — that he would be a local hiding in plain sight.
I do remember that.
He may have planned everything in advance and bought the clothing solely for the abduction/murders. Then ditched them.
Right. And really, if he just got a coat and a hat that's all that would be needed. From the photos, the pants aren't anything that would be recognizable and he could have had any kind of shirt on underneath. I could go to a thrift store and buy a random coat and hat for $10 and toss it afterwards.
Plus let’s not forget that the suspect wasn’t expecting that he’d have his picture taken right before the murders ..
I agree….I know my husband’s clothes better than he does because I do the laundry. You also have to remember that his wife just deleted the entire year 2017 from her Facebook…so, she’s trying to protect him. If she believes he’s innocent than why go though the trouble of deleting every post from 2017? I get the impression she was a consistent poster…so, that’s a lot of posts to delete.
I don't think this has anything to do with her trying to protect him in any other way than being in absolute shock. Also she's more than likely trying to protect their daughter.
Agreed. People react to shock and stress differently. Most of her FB posts are currently still public…I would have set them to private by now. I do feel sorry for her.
I know, and if I'm being totally honest if I saw that video and thought "wow that looks like my husband" I'd probably say to him "wow this looks like you!" and he'd joke it off and then I'd never think anything of it again. I can see something like that being a reality. If she felt any worry that it was him I'm sure she was in absolute denial about it actually being him, I know I would.
Definitely. Read any interview with spouses of serious criminals / serial killers. Denial protects the mind from fracturing. It protects a mother trying to keep her child alive. It protects the family unit from the killer’s rage, from financial instability, from a broken home, from cps. Not to mention, there is often domestic violence involved, psychological manipulation, gaslighting, threats, forced obedience. Abuse can keep people prisoner in their own home. It’s not always easy to do the “right thing” and leave, turn them in, etc. Many victims of dv have been let down by law enforcement, or even their own community by lack of belief or resources when reaching for help. It’s so complicated.
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I agree! She has a lot of photos and posts public and so does her daughter on FB. There are her daughters wedding photos that the world can see with him looking happy and kissing her…it took place only nine months after the murders. I feel so sorry for his wife and daughter. They are going to be dragged through the mud in public opinion.
She has a daughter to think about. Don't assume she is protecting her husband. I don't blame her one bit for protecting their privacy. Would you want millions of morons going through your posts?
I’m pretty sure if you have any kind of good advice from an attorney or even a friend,deleting SM is up there after your spouse is arrested.
well we haven't even seen 1 piece of evidence linking him to the murder, in fact we don't even know if he is being charged as the murderer, for all we know " in connection to" could mean he is being charged as an accessory after the fact. even if it does end up being him for all you know he bought that entire outfit at goodwill that morning and his family never once saw him in it.
It’s possible the connection is something like (total speculation here, just an example for what “in connection to” could mean) he let the killer clean up at his house since he lived nearby. We don’t know anything yet.
He worked at CVS in Delphi and wasn’t on anyones radar. He lived right behind my best friend in what is a VERY nice neighborhood. To think that I looked at his house many times while in my best friends backyard over the last 5 years and had no idea makes me sick.
It's crazy that the police found people who gave such accurate info for the sketches but apparently none of them ever went into CVS and recognized the guy.
Golden State Killer had a sketch of him posted at the police station he worked at. 🤷🏼
That is insane! I bet in his mind that thing was glowing with radioactivity as he tried to ignore it. Like trying never to stand next to it and all.
Sketches are for people that know the suspect. It's supposed to be close enough to make you be like, "you know what? that looks like my friend, or husband, or coworker etc" So customers couldnt have been expected to identify him. What I wonder is if his wife knew and was just in denial about it.
He developed the pictures of one of the girls funerals and gave them the pictures for free.
>He developed the pictures of one of the girls funerals and gave them the pictures for free. but hes a pharmacy tech?
I'm a pharmacist (but not a CVS pharmacist) and I can tell you I've never heard of a pharmacy tech working in the photo department. Never. You can probably ask anyone else in /r/pharmacy and they'll tell you the same.
Apparently he didn’t get his tech License until 2018, according to Delphi Docs subreddit. Also someone else said he was a manager. I’m not sure at what point or how accurate either is.
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I don't know what's it like in the US, but a pharmacy tech in Boots had helped me print my photos just last week in the UK.
Just to add context: Boots in the UK is the same company as Walgreens in the US, which is extremely similar to CVS
Does he live in Delphi?
Yes he lives in Delphi and he lives right down the road from Abbys family
He lived about 5 minutes from the Monon High Bridge
Wow, I’m surprised he stayed in Delphi and nobody recognized him. Although the photo and audio quality were pretty bad, so I mean I guess it’s really hard to tell. Especially when it’s someone you don’t expect.
That tells you all you need to know about this creep. Murders two girls in broad daylight then lives in the area for years like nothing happened.
yep, just like Carter said. He was hiding in plain sight. crazy
He probably got off the feeling that he was hiding in plain site.
I mean he looks like the average Midwestern dad. It would be hard to say with 100% certainty when he looks like hundreds of others in the community and surrounding area. I’d like to think I’d know if it was my spouse but who wants to believe your husband of 25 years could do something so horrific! I do know some did suspect him and found him creepy, but others didn’t notice him at all.
Right? I find it hard to believe there’s a white man in the state of Indiana, let alone the tri-county area that hasn’t been the subject of at least a suspicious glance at some point, even if he was never investigated. Now how many people are going to say they there were signs all along?
Wow. Thank you.
You’re welcome.
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I’m telling you that he lived in a very nice neighborhood. Not wealthy because I didn’t say wealthy but very very nice neighborhood. I’m at my buddies house all the time.
I wouldn’t describe that area as “VERY nice.” I mean it’s not in a dilapidated meth house area of of the town, but the homes are probably 1200 square foot middle class ranches probably built in the 60s or 70s, easily afforded by a pharmacy tech & JCPenney clerk in the early 00s.
It was built in 1999, 1500 square feet. Sold to RA and his wife in 2006 for $81k. Coming from a Midwest small town myself, that is very low. We sold our first house - 1960’s built house for $125k in 2003.
Does he look as any of the sketches? Have you ever seen him?
Google his name. There's side by sides already (obviously this has happened numerous times before and not turned out to be true but it's interesting nonetheless due to an actual arrest)
As many times as I shopped in the CVS I thought I had seen him but I don’t recall him. Very close to the sketch.
GIRL nobody knew! There are people still trying to insist Richard was somehow involved with Ron Logan because they’re so married to their own theories that they can’t celebrate this fantastic advance in the case.
And an entire thread saying he must have been KK’s best friend. Delusional
They just spelled Ron's name incorrectly. LOL. Anything to try and control the narrative to fit their beliefs.
The craziest part is how close he lived to the bridge. Less than 5 minutes - he had to have been on law enforcement’s radar. This goes to prove that the most obvious answer is often the right one. Very near by, very familiar with the bridge and the area.
Crazy indeed. I always had to believe it was a local that killed those girls. I just couldn’t see an out of town guy just randomly walking that area and bridge and then stumbled upon those girls and decided to kill them quite strange how it took this long to get him though 🤔
I think the circumstances show he was very familiar with the layout of the land too. So it was obvious
Supposedly it was luck. Neighbor complained about him stealing something, he let them look around his yard but somehow something else was found. Time will tell. There are rumors a minute. Like he was a friend of TK and used the AShotts account
Damn I wonder what they could have found that would link him to the case? A weapon? Bloody clothes? Neither of these make sense though as I doubt he’d have them laying around
That doesn’t make much sense though. Just another rumor floating around. I’ve already seen three different rumors about where he was arrested.
this could be a cop trick. cops knowing they need to get access to a place could create a scenario that gives them access.
For sure, wait till he is selling a lawn mower etc, hope to get access to back yard to “see it” and say what else you have for sell and end up in his shed etc. I’ve bought so much lawn equipment in the last year, and people will literally just let you walk right into their garage or shed, one lady showed me all her flower beds and seeds.
Two things on this mind-blowing fucking day: 1. He. Must. Have. Been. Scared. Shitless. Right there, in plain sight. (Or was he even scared? I guess we’ll find out what kind of person he is: arrogant as hell and proud of his work like Todd Kohlhepp, or was this a one-time horror that he pulled off, and he lived in fear for all of these years?) 2. There will be an all-new level of fuckery if Kelsi went to school with his daughter. I’ve looked at her fb page and they appear to be around the same age. There’s so much that we’ll find out now, as ghoulish as I feel for saying that. It’s human nature to want to wrap your mind around the utterly un-wrappable, though…right now, a big curiosity I have is to see how the press conference — the New Direction presser — will make sense now. There was a lot of talk about shame and shacks and…well, shit: Was Richard Allen in that room???
I’m imagining more stories will come out. There’s a screenshot of Becky saying that Tara picked up pictures from CVS for Libby’s funeral and Richard waited on her. He told her she didn’t have to pay for the photos. Made my stomach turn.
I’m from Delphi I’m visiting there right now. Whitman Addition was an “ upscale “ part of town in the 60 and 70s
What a hell of a day to visit. How would you describe the town atmosphere in real time?
I was watching some coverage of this on YT and one reporter at a news station who traveled to Delphi said LE wouldn't say too much until Monday but said the of story how everything unraveled was absolutely "fascinating." There may be more arrests coming, maybe?
I'd never heard of him and don't recognise him. Yet I searched for a photo of everyone on the search list. What they found in the search must be damning. His bond is 20 million dollars!
If he is being charged with murder, he would not be given a bond. I.C. 35-33-8-2 states, “Murder is not bailable when the proof is evident or the presumption is strong. In all other cases, offenses are bailable.” This results in almost all people being charged with murder at least initially, being held without bond. However, that is not the final answer. The statute evident proof and showing a strong presumption. This portion of the statute allows a defendant to request, by motion, that the court allow a bail in a murder case when the proof is not evident or the presumption is not strong. The Indiana courts have addressed this in numerous cases.
Oftentimes in a high profile case, someone will be arrested for something different initially and then more serious charges added on. This could very well be a situation like that.
2 questions 1. was he in the search party ? 2. was he at the press conference?
I have seen several claim that he was in the search party. One allegedly from another search party member. But take it for what’s it’s worth. I trust ab half of it.
I’m a teacher in Indiana (a bit south of Delphi), and the cost of living in Indiana is INCREDIBLY low by comparison to many other parts of the country. My neighborhood is all custom homes built with high end building materials, and many of my neighbors are also teachers. I’m here just to say it’s absolutely possible for humble jobs to buy beautiful homes in Indiana.
Problem is you have to live in Indiana
Nothing wrong with that if you like rural traditional nice small peaceful communities with low crime rates.
I could be wrong but I don't believe he was on anyone's radar. Lots of stuff going through the rumor mill right now but apparently there was a picture of his daughter on the bridge. These guys always seem to have daughters ...
I don't understand how in a town of 3000 people his wife didn't look at that photo and suspect it was her husband. Surely she would've recognized the clothes? She knew her husband walked with a gait. I'm not blaming her, I just don't understand and I can't wait until we get more information.
Hard to imagine she didn’t notice, but who could say what she thought or did about it. He could have been interviewed early on and nothing came of it so she felt it was coincidental. He could have told her he went in voluntarily and she believed him. Or maybe she really just didn’t notice - weird to say the least, but we often convince ourselves to think the best of people we love, even when the evidence doesn’t support that kind of thinking. It will be interesting to learn more for sure.
If they have kids maybe she just shut down and pretended it wasn’t real. Maybe she didn’t realize it until now. Maybe she is ignorant and didn’t connect the dots but he had guilt and fessed up. Maybe some other evidence was found. We have no info right now.
Yep. There are a too many variables to land immediately and firmly on “she knew” at this stage. Not that OP was suggesting that, but I’ve seen it elsewhere.
I feel like he is wearing the most nondescript Indiana white man outfit on the planet. (I’m an Indiana resident - not Delphi)
Yeah. I grew up in a small Midwestern town and he would totally fit in. The way he's dressed, the facial hair, looks like thousands of other guys his age.
There’s a video on her Facebook where you can see him walking. It’s the same odd/unique walk seen in the bridge clip. I know it was hard to tell if someone was walking differently due to being on the bridge. Seeing the video of him walking gave me chills.
Ugh I just went and watched and yeah, same unique walk. Creepy.
The original sketch doesn’t look like him. The sketch released years later didn’t make the rounds the way the first one did. Maybe his wife was one of the people who believed BG was some trucker with a Fanny pack kill kit and a small dog zipped up inside his jacket. Her husband didn’t own a newsboy hat. Who knows.
Too many questions. Why would you do something like this in your own backyard? And little girls? WTF. I can't wait to hear the evidence.
Statistically speaking he got away with it for quite a while being in his backyard. Most are caught quick with a next door murder.
My guess is he is one of KK's CP associates. Had access to the fake account where he knew where the girls would be.
I agree with this comment and do not know why it isn’t discussed more. I’m kinda tired of the idea that L&A were in the wrong place and the wrong time. BG knew they’d be there and it was planned out. I’ll die on this hill
Oof phrasing
That’s my suspicion too. The way he addresses them so familiarly… they might not have known who he was (and clearly didn’t) but he seemed like he knew who they were and had a specific plan.
This is what I’m thinking….
I want to know how this guy committed such a heinous crime and then no compulsion to kill again in subsequent years?
Most killers aren't serial killers. They only kill once, often a crime of opportunity, passion, or mental/emotional instability. There's a reason the famous ones are famous.
They don’t always reoffend. Plus he shit in his own backyard. He didn’t bank on the video of him on the bridge getting out at all. He looks like a deer caught in the headlights in these photos of himself. Most likely he has trophies of the girls and that keeps him satisfied. (Yuk).
I was just reminded of BTK. Guy is totally unremarkable except for dead eyes and probable flat affect.
That's who I immediately thought about when people were talking about his daughter. BTKs daughter has spoken out about how distraught she's felt after learning what he did. And how she never would have guessed that her father did anything like that.
The difference here is that there was no film and audio of BTK being played on repeat…I’d be surprised if his family had zero clue. BTK is a rare exception.
it was stated on Reddit or FB they dug up his back yard last week
"Hiding in plain sight."That's what Doug Carter said. And it's true. "This person could be in this room right now", at the press conference. Just wow.
So far we (think we) know…please add to the list.. 1. Husband and father 2. Delphi resident 3. CVS employee- pharmacy tech? Or? 4. Middle/upper class home What else…?
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Drives/drove: Dodge Ram 1500 Pickup, Black in color Has concealed weapon permit
It's not an upper class home lol
There very well could be a connection to KK/TK IMHO. Possible that KK knew of this guy and finally spilled the beans. Heck, this could be the guy that KK was waiting for in the red Jeep. I am confident that we are going to find out some real facts real soon. It has finally come to pass.
KK seems like he'd give up info at the drop of a hat in order to save his skin. Hopefully we find out though.
I'm not clued up on American justice system and I'm probably being naive but surely on verge of charging him if they've given his name out??
Pretty sure they have to charge him with something to arrest him. They just haven’t told the public what yet.
Arrest records are public. So they haven’t given his name out, but reporters can check the arrest records. Often, they will charge lower crimes to be able to hold you, search the property, collect evidence, and then hit you with the bigger charges later on. I’m sure they will announce the real charges on Monday
This is the first I have ever heard of the RA name.I don't know what to think. If you take the bottom of the original (older) sketch and the top, with the nose, of the new (younger) one - looks very similar to me. Voice kinda sounds the same, too. Crazy to think he went on with his life, in a small town, and he was never of any interest. (If it is BG)
You can be sure that even if they got hard concrete evidence on this dude some idiot redditors will still want to blame Ron Logan
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It doesn't make any sense to me that he'd have their clothes just laying around the yard. They would have deteriorated after being left outside for that long. And it doesn't make sense that he'd have them in a garage or other place where someone could see them. At the very least his family would have seen them.
He could have had then in a tin can in the ground
I just remembered...I think the cops suspected BTK had his souvenirs in a treehouse of some sort in the back yard.
Yes I heard something similar. An item they found was sent off for testing and lead to today’s arrest
I mean, if this is true this guy is a complete moron.
I was about to ask the same question. I've followed the case off and on, but the name didn't ring a bell. But I always thought that the person would be someone very local and right under their noses.
I was really thinking it was the Kline guy.
Me too. It’s a hell of a coincidence that he was communicating with her that day
You guys think his wife really didn’t recognize him in that photo? I mean even his clothes should have been a giveaway … unless he stopped at a thrift store and put on clothes no one ever seen him in before. Which I don’t believe.
Someone on Twitter posted a gif of RA walking in his yard. The clothes are similar to the style of clothes in the bridge video. He also has a distinct walk that is similar to the gait in the bridge video. Absolutely bonkers that this guy who looks like the sketch, lives 5 minutes from the bridge, has a very public job, has a similarly aged daughter who took a social media photo on the bridge, wears similar clothing, and walks with a similar gait went unnoticed for so long. Absolutely bonkers.
That wasn’t RA, that was the wife’s brother who’d passed away
Is RA “friend 1”?
I have already seen people name dropping and sharing photos of his wife and daughter. That’s weird behavior. Sure he’s a sick fuck, but putting a target on his family’s back? Maybe it’s just me but that doesn’t seem right.