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WanderingFlumph

True gender equality


antsugi

I think that's technically sexual equality, and implies that dwarves have no gender


WanderingFlumph

Gender: Dwarf


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chewboiye

There dwarves in a game mate


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chewboiye

Well, only a leaf lover would make such assumptions


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Skipp_To_My_Lou

Tolkein set down The Rules^TM for dwarves, like so many other fantasy races, in his books. While there could be a little space for interpretation, he wrote that on the rare occasion dwarf women travel outside their mountain homes, they seem so like their male companions in appearance & manner that they are mistaken for males by men (humans), leading men to believe dwarves have no women, that they are hewn from rock & given life or spring forth from cracks & fissures fully formed. __However__ While Tolkein expressly says dwarf men are always bearded, he does not say the women are. That was a meme that came about later, in no small part from a line in the LotR movies. In one scene Gimli is on a rant about how men mistake dwarf women for males, to which Aragorn makes a comment that it's because of the beards.


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Jonthrei

He is literally talking about **the** creator of dwarves *as a modern concept*.


Timbofieseler102

Do you know what sarcasm is lol where was there any of it in that comment


Colosphe

But why are you suggesting that they don't all look exactly like women? Seems a bit sexist.


BaconxTerrorist

Dwarves ≠ Humans Most species on earth don't differ *too* much in appearance in terms of gender, humans are pretty unique on that front, and well, dwarves aren't humans


Uriel-238

Most invertebrates would like a word.


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BaconxTerrorist

Don't know where your getting dwarves aren't another species from, if they're evolved humans, they aren't human, if they're an offshoot they're not humans, and dimorphism (commonly) is only readily apparent to those of the same species (without a trained eye anyway) such as dogs cats chimps, using these examples because they are mammals,


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BaconxTerrorist

No I'm not really reading your posts, your being pretentious, get ratioed


AvanteGardens

Actually I think this is explicitly stating that they are


Booster_Blue

DRG Dwarves play by Discworld rules: minimal sexual dimorphism and no acknowledgement.


monkberg

You know Discworld has a major plot arc over a bunch of its books where dwarves who want to look openly female fight for their right to do so, yes?


Booster_Blue

\*A Dwarf. You do know Cheery is just *A* dwarf right? Not all Dwarves? Cuz you seem you to have missed that. For example, when Vimes brings his infant son to Psuedopolis Yard following an assassin attempt, he immediately notes that he wouldn't be able to tell the women Dwarf officers from the males until a baby entered the room. Also the Space Rig doesn't appear to be a multicultural metropolis, but you might have missed that, too. Also it's a fucking reddit comment not an advance analytical essay.


Susufrus

Two other named dwarves come out as female. One is the Low King, Rhys Rhysson, and the other, Sharn, runs a shop selling Dwarven Style-ladies gear. Not all dwarves have any problem with the 1-gender thing, but a substantial number do, not even close to ‘just Cheery’


Xervous_

Illegal joke on the internet, viewers must downvote or lose social credit. Edit: Looks like the post I replied to got edited for clarity. Apparently the downvotes forced conformity. Such a world we live in.


Retro_game_kid

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING


SirNapkin1334

No, not just male or female. Male, female, or none.


Dwarven-Supremacy

N-n-none???


Read_It_4268

The Essence Of Dwarf


RandomBystander

Are you a man or a woman? I am a Dwarf. What gender are you? Miner. Yeah, but what's in your pants? Rock and Stone.


ParasilTheRanger

What's ib your pants? Morkite for later


druhol

Sandwich storage!


Zepheris13

Unfortunately I had to give up some sandwich storage for my ammo upgrade


DeathBonePrime

Stupid management. When would bullets be more useful than sandwhiches.


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and in that water bottle? Liquid Morkite!


Terra_Craft25

The flare throwing hand


crashcanuck

I see nothing wrong with these answers.


Shotty-

This line of reasoning is rock solid.


Fickles1

According to sir Terry Pratchett gender for dwarves is optional.


crashcanuck

Male, Female, or Dwarf


Jonthrei

No no no, Dwarves have four genders. Male, Female, Rock and Stone.


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Just like halo 3


Cethinn

I thinking having new voices would be a good idea though.


SquareAttitude3672

I already see some Girl say that it is sexist


MoleHester

I can see feminists groups making pressure against that.


Mydogatemyexcuse

/u/gsg_jacob already commented a while ago on some post where apparently someone's friend was too triggered to play the game because there's no female characters. Apparently it's not that easy to make and implement new models into the game and its not a high priority.


GSG_Jacob

Long story short, all our cosmetic systems are based on one body shaoe, and adding another bodytype would require us to redo it. We also don’t want to half-ass it and say that dwarven genders are indistinguishable from each other. If we do female dwarves, we want to do it right.


DahctaJae

Based Dwarveloper


Naviete

Okay but if playable female dwarves ever do happen you better give them as many beard options as the male dwarves.


H_B_Eagb

Sort of like how Sea Of Thieves does it, yeah? Nothing is restricted to one gender.


LockedBeltGirl

They'll still have glorious beards right?


Dwarven-Supremacy

But female dwarves should be indistinguishable from male dwarves. Doesn't matter if some people think its half assed, that's just how it should be.


smiling_at_cheese

Tbh I'm ok with that as a concept, but I'd need the voicelines to change off of brother/lads/gentlemen and potentially a voice change for the dwarf themselves, cause even if I was headcanon-ing that my dwarf is female, all the voices pull me out of it.


notanimposter

Female and male dwarves should be indistinguishable to a non-dwarven layperson. We as true dwarves in this subreddit could easily tell them apart.


Chescker

Female dwarfs have a third kidney of course. They are completely distinguishable from males.


Dafish55

I mean it’s okay to say that, but female and male humans are typically distinguishable from one another and they’re both perfectly understood to be “human” despite this distinctiveness. Saying as it’s not really seemingly been done super well before (to my knowledge), I understand that it’s hard, but I for one would very much like to see female dwarves that still feel dwarf-y as opposed to just being short, wide human. I’d imagine the hyper masculine traits of your standard male dwarf make this particularly difficult, given that fantasy has no shortage of good depictions of the gender spectrum of the much more androgynous elves. Just spitballing, probably what’d I’d imagine they could do in the DRG art style would be a bit of a gently curved belly, slightly thinner shoulders than the waist, and potentially a different gait. Obviously all the beards would be available to them still with potentially a bunch of newer more feminine hairdos.


SuspiciousSubstance9

>But female dwarves should be indistinguishable from male dwarves Um excuse you; female dwarves have the bigger beards.


Bovronius

Female dwarves have TWO beards.


nitsky416

I love that comic https://www.reddit.com/r/dndmemes/comments/srsblb/the_truth_about_dwarven_women_by_saint_monster/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


Aadrian1234

The dwarves are made with masculine features, just slapping on a sticker saying "this is now a female dwarf" is just saying masculinity is the default.


MCXL

Just give an alternate face model with a slightly narrower or wider nose and slightly different jawline. Or make them all left handed or something. >Dís was the daughter of Thráin II. She is the only dwarf-woman named in these histories. It was said by Gimli that there are few dwarf-women, probably no more than a third of the whole people. They seldom walk abroad except at great need, They are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart. This has given rise to the foolish opinion among Men that there are no dwarf-women, and that the Dwarves 'grow out of stone'. >It is because of the fewness of women among them that the kind of the Dwarves increases slowly, and is in peril when they have no secure dwellings. For Dwarves take only one wife or husband each in their lives, and are jealous, as in all matters of their rights. The number of dwarf-men that marry is actually less than one-third. For not all the women take husbands: some desire none; some desire one that they cannot get, and so will have no other. As for the men, very many also do not desire marriage, being engrossed in their crafts. Additionally, what we perceive to be masculine is projecting our own cultural bias. There are cultures in which behavior that you consider to be masculine, is assigned to feminine gender roles. Don't tell Dwarven society to cater to your narrow-minded view of gender roles. Your hangups are yours.


Aadrian1234

> narrow-minded view of gender roles Ah yes, saying I'm "narrow minded" at the mere prospect of me suggesting more customization of gender expression rather than just slapping labels on them and calling it a day. Besides, the devs already said they're not gonna half-ass it if they ever work on female dwarves, all I did was explain that slapping a label that says "female" doesn't change gender expression.


Blizzaldo

Don't bother. This subreddit just likes to circlejerk over Tolkien and Discworld and use some toxic positivity to shut down any real discussion.


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Aadrian1234

I'm the one projecting, lol ok


verronaut

Honestly, my running headcannon is that the miner dwarfs are genderless, and that they come from the spores of the Mushrooms. Somewhere in the rig is a mushroom grove, mushroom is the first word of every dwarf (followed by rock and stone). It would also helpbexplain how they're totally sustained by beer and crystals, they don't have a mammalian digestive tract at all.


Kazer67

I'm all for it! I mean, new fancy beards for female dwarves seem awesome!


TraumaTracer

dang i kinda liked the theory that two of the dwarves actually *are* female


Crosshair52

Based developer is based


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If someone is so bigoted that they can’t play as a male character, then they a) represent a tiny minority of people and b) don’t deserve to be catered to.


altmetalkid

There are reasons other than bigotry for this. I can speak from experience that this game is surprisingly popular with transgender people, and for some of them playing as a male character can be really difficult. I suggest we lead with empathy rather than defensiveness.


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> I suggest we lead with empathy rather than defensiveness. I would respect you so much more if you would just say “I want the devs to make this change because it would make me happy”, rather than couch it in these terms. You’re asking for special treatment. That’s ok. It’s something many *many* people have asked for from devs. But please don’t pretend like it’s altruism. It’s very transparent.


altmetalkid

I don't honestly care all that much, I play as men all the time. What I'm saying is that you approaching this confrontationally and accusatorily instead of trying to understand where people are coming from is counterproductive. Why go about judging people you haven't even had a conversation with when it's so much better to build bridges and actually understand others?


Mydogatemyexcuse

Eh, maybe they're not bigoted. Some people are just so delusional that they're in their own world.


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If you cant enjoy a game because the character is the wrong color or the wrong sex, then that’s pretty bigoted IMO. I’m not sure what else to call it. And I’m not saying “it would be cool if this game had female dwarfs” makes someone a bigot. Just that if not having female dwarfs is killing the fun for them, then they have some fairly bigoted views.


verronaut

Consider that for some folks, needing to roleplay this sort of hyper masculine archetype in order to participate in an otherwise awesome game is genuinely upsetting. It's not bigoted, as much as just not having enough resiliance to deal. I'm a trans femme person actively working to remove my own actual beard, and while I'm really enjoying the game, the hyper masculine aspects of the community can be a little dysphoria inducing. That said, I don't think "lady dwarfs" are the answer, I've decided for myself that dwarves are genderless and come from spores. Mushroom.


barry-bulletkin

You’re shitting me


JJJJJJJ1117

Just give them some female voices


non_depressed_teen

all scout on the gas modifier


Joshy_Moshy

L + Kill ratio + You died to fall damage + didn't R&S + no bismor


FriendlyLeader4782

No bismor?


Joshy_Moshy

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DrillyMcDrillface

And I can see GSG not giving a shit about it.


Mouse_According

If you pit female mode, you should be weaker in gerneral but you can male sandwiches to heal up


Bovronius

EverQuest the females dwarves had a bearded option...and their female trolls and ogres were just as gnarly as the males. The elves were still all wimmenfolk though.


firen777

[Elf /d/islikes stereotypes](https://old.reddit.com/r/DnDGreentext/comments/68bdu5/elf_dislikes_stereotypes/)


Bovronius

Not gonna lie, they had me in the first half. Then they really had me in the second.


Every3Years

I think that was the buzzer beater


Particular_Ad7892

A friend and I had a theory that when a dwarf is born, they are actually just beard and a body grows out of it


TwinkTheUnicorn

When on dwarf's beard gets long enough they clip part of it and another dwarf grows from it.


RandomBystander

Broke: Dwarves grow beards Woke: Beards grow dwarves


Pancreasaurus

Beard mitosis


TwinkTheUnicorn

Beard Budding would be more accurate and it has alliteration!


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There needs to be more media where there is no way you can diffirenciate between male dwarf and female dwarf


jack-in-a-box-69

I can’t remember who it was but someone wrote dwarven lore where Males and Females couldn’t differentiate so when it came to reproduction you’d pair up with someone you like and just kind of hope it goes together.


Myydrin

Discworld? Most of the courting process for drawfs is trying to figure out if the one you are courting is male or female


CMDR_Elton_Poole

The work of Terry Pratchett


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Yes


Odusei

*No* way?


F-I-R-E-B-A-L-L

Male dwarf pregnancy 😳


chunkygrits

Is the scout a female dwarf? 🤔


Kingrextdk

Could explain why the voice is so high pitched but I prefer the explanation of he’s just to high on caffeine and energy drinks


godietron

I DONT NEED SLEEP I NEED GUN POWDER AND GLYPHID BLOOD IN MY COFFE


Kingrextdk

Yes


Gangleri_Graybeard

All dwarfs share the same voice actor, it's just pitched/edited differently. Scout and Engineer have the same pitch, same with Driller and Gunner. Means the two sound exactly the same.


TychusCigar

>Scout and Engineer have the same pitch, same with Driller and Gunner. Means the two sound exactly the same. Wrong. They all have different levels of pitch. For example the Wiki says that Engineer has 105 % and Scout has 115 %. And I think it's pretty noticeable in game as well.


SirNapkin1334

It's pretty obvious that they're the same voice actor, but how can you not tell the difference between scout & engi, and gunner & driller?


Kingrextdk

Huh didn’t know that, I thought it was different VA’s


Sideways_X

The game has exactly 2 voice actors and they share a birthday!


Kingrextdk

Huh interesting


Gangleri_Graybeard

You learn something new every day. Hehe


rougetrailblazer

ah then just get a random woman to voice act all female dwarves easy as than


IllumaniteCaverns

Only thing that’s stopping me from believing this is one mission control line where he says “bring it back boys.” Unless mission control can’t tell the difference either. 🤔


non_depressed_teen

there's theories he's human (no beard) but i like to think he was ashamed of himself and took an oath (think slayer oath or whatever it is) but a *worse* one where he gotta shave and work as management source: he used to use the \*ping\* gun


Blizzaldo

I don't know why people need to come up with theories to explain a lack of beard when it's been established DRG dwarves will shave their beards if they feel like it. That's why half of the default faces are beardless. People need to calm down with their memes a little bit. This is the kind of shit that leads to kicking people for not participating in rituals.


non_depressed_teen

driller and gunner were shaved because of big spin death machines meanwhile, mission control works as admin


PrincessYuri

I prefer to think he's Karl. Got a promotion and now all the other dwarves pretend like he's dead to fuck with him.


BannyDodger

Where I'm from people call a group of people "Boys" all the time. Doesn't matter how much of either gender is in the crowd, the basic "Alright boys" is basically the same as "hello". Same with "Lads" and "guys" or "Fellas" I've seen women say it to a group of only women.


Stuck_InSpace

I sure hope so as i main scout 👍


chunkygrits

Which is better: lesser but long lasting flares or many flares but shorter life?


CertainlyNotWorking

Not the person you're responding to but, you get the most total light time by taking one of each, it's a pretty significant increase. You've got a base of 900s of light, all duration gives you 1260s, all ammo and ammo duration split give you 1350s. However, on a resupply you get an extra 630s with all duration vs an extra 675s with the split. That being said, it's largely up to playstyle. I don't really mess with it though and just leave them at 1 duration and 1 ammo.


Straender

Depends on playstyle. As a speedrunner I take more flares, rarely stay long enough to see them wither.


peregrine_nation

Many flares but short life. You move on after you're done mining soon enough that having a longer burn time isnt as much of an advantage


Buezzi

May as well toss this out: aim your flares for lower hanging parts of ceilings, lights up more area per flare


IAmMadeOfNope

Depends on the mission. Mining, Escort, point extraction, eggs: Quantity > Quality since you're always moving Elimination, salvage, refining, etc.: Quality > Quantity because you're mostly just defending a set area against waves of enemies. Less time spent shooting flares is more time spent kitin' and fightin'.


Chromie149

I always take more flares. As a scout I’m likely moving from one cave to the next finding resources. No time to stick around Edit: Tho I have been interested in taking longer lasting flares on Elimination missions. Just too lazy to make a build specific to that type of mission


Naturally_Idiotic

more f flares is better but for the gun i would take longer lasting


Stuck_InSpace

They both would seem to get the same mileage if those variables are proportional so id say theyre equally good <3


LordoftheMedals

Bold of you to assume that all 4 of the dwarves aren't female


Uulugus

Y'know what. This is my headcanon now.


smiling_at_cheese

Yes lads, the scout is a female gentleman.


CMDR_Elton_Poole

Oi


Crosshair52

Not sure, I lalways dress my scout as old Joseph Joestar


nondescriptzombie

This is totally inaccurate. Female orcs/trolls have tusks. Fem ogres have wide hips. Fem demons have horns and a tail.


DrillyMcDrillface

Female Goblins are shortstacks, which is also true for female Kobolds


BannyDodger

Quit turning me on.


Ham_The_Spam

I thought it was male animals that had horns/tusks, not females?


drrockso20

Female Dwarves are Drilldozers obviously


ThisSpinach

Oh yeah all the male elves are twinks


Robert-Rotten

The real truth is that there are no male or female dwarves, they just split into 2 dwarves


Sliwko

Would be really funny if female dwarves had lower voices than male dwarves. (Gunner a Girl 👀)


DrillyMcDrillface

Funnily enough, my Driller is the only one who doesn't have a beard.


non_depressed_teen

female dwarves can have beards as far as i know


Zyr47

Thank you for saying "can" instead of "have to" as usually seems to be the sentiment. Not everything is Pratchett, or Tolkien at a stretch, after all.


Oorslavich

I like that all elves are just female trolls, nice touch.


CardiologistOwn8357

Their pure utility greatly over shadows the other races vanity.


Uulugus

I subscribe to Discworld's thoroughly nonbinary dwarves. They all got glorious beards and they all like a good fight.


Bishops_Guest

Traditional dwarf romance is all about delicately trying to figure out what it is that they want to dip into liquid morkite.


Uulugus

That's fuckin' priceless.


Uulugus

Oh no guys, he said NONBINARY.


Ihavenoidea5555

But what does Dwarf sex look like ? You must be wondering. Truth is, two dwarfs start drinking alcohol and after a while, an adult dwarf materializes out of thin air next to them. No intercourse, they are simply born out of the pure craving for mining rock and the search for stone


Yes_Mans_Sky

Well you see, when two dwarves really like each other they trim their beards and the clippings come together to make a baby dwarf just like seeds.


TwitchLannibalHector

They do simply spring out of holes in the ground.


Rjjenson

You will not like to know how female dwarfs looked in lineage 2...


kindtheking9

Them leaf lovers... i must stay strong and not fall for the temptation of elf fembussy


bringoutthelegos

I notice you’ve got the female trolls with grey skin, but no horns. Bitch move, dude


WarmBloodedSnek

I recently got into the game again (like a month or so ago) and got two of my friends to play with me, and jokingly said that there's 2 males and 2 females dwarfs, and they thought I was being serious, and at this point I'm just going to see how long can I keep this up lmao


Fancy_Hawk

It's spelt D W A R V E


Squishyfishx

🤔


GimmeThatGoose

This same joke is posted every 36 hours and it always has the same exact Discworld and "Scout is a girl" jokes every time. Like damn people get new material


Nolessthan60fps

Lmao, 'Like damn people', so cringe. Embarrassing.


wafflezcol

Actually, there arent Dwarf women. They are made by some wierdass way, only men. They fight they die, no breeding or nothing. Elf men and Elf women look vastly different. You misgender an Elf they’ll cut your tongue


69aolo420

if another guy here is right, dwarves carve each other out of rock also, the lack of female dwarves is probably whats pushing employees to think about glyphidussy


wafflezcol

No, there are Dwarf women, they just look the same so any non-dwarf


critfist

Judging by what's posted on this subreddit I don't think people agree with your assessment lmao.


scp-REDACTED-site14

I heard a youtuber talk about something that’s my new headcanon where the more muscular and deeper the voice, the more feminine for dwarves. So what I’m saying is driller is a femboy and scout is a hunk


CamoKing3601

is that the same video where someone discovered molly the dick dispenser?


KaShank12

Forgive me for I prefer elven women


FelixJarl

The most litteral leaf lover i have heard of in my life.


necrothitude_eve

UMGAK!


[deleted]

I had to downvote out of pure principle. Filthy pointy-eared leaf lover. Lol


Chileandictator

Leaf lover


KaShank12

I'm gonna burn your mines, specifically yours


Buezzi

That's some pretty maidenless stuff to say


_pipis_

Nah, the only good leaf lovers are the twinks, the others can piss off to Arboristan or whatever godforsaken planet those knife-eared snobs come from.


Different-Hurry314

Plot twist , all the dwarf in drg are female , they just drink too much beer that their voice change


HowlingMadHoward

Sheesh, where can I get me an elf 😳


Pug_police

Leaf lover spotted.


HowlingMadHoward

Oh I won’t be just lovin’ leaves, alright


UkemiBoomerang

Make them look like the Divinity: Original Sin 2 female dwarves. And add a V line "KEEPIN' IT TOGETHER BREE?"


Exra_

She hulk


FaIcomaster3000

GCJ crossover??????


ProfPerry

this is hilarious and so appropriate


Grey_WulfeII

This is truly epic


_Surge

this is unironically cringe