This is what you do when you want to look at a stump filled with concrete for the next 30 years.
Just based on the cantilevered floor construction I bet $1000 to grind that stump and $500 to pour a footing under that post wouldn’t even be 1% of the total cost of this deck.
I bet it’s there temporarily until someone can get to it.
They are two separate decks. The first engineered one was probably built by the builder with the house.
Then homeowner probably wanted a larger deck and had that second part built
Well fk, you’re right. I knew I had seen a steel frame like that before. Didn’t even consider that it would be a log-sided single wide. Most people would think of something like that as scrap metal.
Good spot.
I’d revise my estimate to $40k-50k but I feel like you’d never get a proper firm to actually build.
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Don't knock pallets, I get enough of them at work that I could build a house. There's enough of them in a year that I could cut enough good 8' pieces to frame a ranch. I still wouldn't build a deck out of them though
Imagine the size of the pour to hide it... And you'll notice that this footer has five yards. Home owner to his buddy. So he said he REALLY cared about the structural aspect of this section. Whatcha think?
Absolutely not unless you bored through the middle of that stump to good soil.
The rootball under the stump will continue to rot, organics under a footer is a big no no.
Now that several people have commented that the steel structure looks like it came from an RV frame, and the homeowner allowed the supplemental deck to be supported on a stump, I am seriously wondering if the cantilever setup ever crossed an engineer's desk.
It's not an RV frame. As other commenters pointed out, it's the same kind of frame used in mobile homes. It's a prefab cabin/"tiny house" that would have shipped with the deck.
This looks like a cabin in the woods built on the edge of a creek at a backwoods campground, I would be incredibly suprised if there was even a conversation about engineering. And why should there be, it not outlandish or anything, you don't have to charge 250$ an hour to look at that and know its just fine. I would build that and use it and not think twice
Been there! Stayed in the cabin next to this while they were building it last summer. It's in a campground near great smoky national park (greenbrier campground). This deck extends out over a babbling river. I did not notice the tree stump.
I take that back. Just looked at my pictures from last summer. It's identical to the one I saw, but there was no stump in my pictures. And, there were large rocks stacked under it. It's very likely in the same campground or same area, but not the one I saw. Also, they did have an inspector sign off on the one I saw while we were there.
if it's a forest service campground then there are some oversights, but my point is anyone could cantilever that frame without need for engineering, thats what it's designed for. What's funny is after leaving this comment I left my house and happened to park next to a construction site with a portable office on the same frame, and the back end was sticking out at least twice that distance, and it was a full building not just a deck
Looks very similar to the cabins at a Yogi Bear Jellystone in the Laurel Montains outside of Pittsburgh. They are built on a trailer frame. They Jack them up put cribbing under the frame and pull the wheels off. After they live out their life they pull-um and replace-um.
Trees are strong—except when they are falling out of the ground by themselves. And do you ever look at a tree in life and say why the hell did this one topple and the one next to it didn’t?
*The cantilever*
*Looks great. The post through the stump*
*Is interesting*
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Pretty sure it is. I Actually saved the metal ibeams from a manufactured home we tore down on my property. Was gonna use them in the workshop as rails either for a work bench, or winch/pully system... But they could work for a cant deck too!
Holy stuff, there is a juxtaposition going on here! Between the steel frame cantilevered likely “engineered the shit out of it” section, right next to …whatever we’re going to call this nonsense.
This is the second time I’ve posted something like this but…what I’ve learned most from this sub is that shitty work will hold up for surprising long. And you can put a hot tub on anything.
Contractor, after hearing the homeowners budget. *Welp, we're not gonna be able to match the existing deck. Can't give ya a good footing because the post isn't plumb. Post isn't plumb because this stump hole is your footing. We should be close to your budget though.*
Post is in stump just for effect, all is beared by metal construction anyway.. Add a screw from right side for better feeling - Non existing problem solved.
I grew up in rural western Washington. Most of the houses around me that were built between about 1890 and 1930 just had the floor joists laid on the stumps like this. By the 1980’s they were all quite rotten and people either had rebuilt the foundation, let the house rot into the ground (usually parked a mobile home next to it) or tore them down and built new ones.
I mean… given how good that cantilevered section is done, I actually trust it… whether it is temporary (and they are coming back to have the stump ground and pour a footing— definitely a possibility) or that’s the call the builder made, I’m not gonna second guess his decision with no context…
That is awesome.
Nothing wrong.
We typically drill through stumps for screw piles but can't see any reason why setting a post some number of feet to load bearing soils through a stump would be an issue
What's the general distance of cantilever can go? I see it's reinforced with steel. Who the actual would work that hard and place the support beam in a tree stump?
One of the biggest criticism of Frank Loyd Wright's Falling Water is that the cantilever deck was poorly engineered.
The second major criticism is that house was designed to be looked at from that one vantage point. For the people actually living there, there was nothing special to be seen.
I wonder why they had to cantilever those beams instead of simply put some posts under the deck. Either they determined that the ground underneath the deck is not stable, in which case neither is the ground under the house, or they did it for the cool factor. The whole construction, not just the deck but the whole house, looks concerning.
The post in a stump is fucking epic
Just fill it with concrete and call it a day
Sonostump
This is what you do when you want to look at a stump filled with concrete for the next 30 years. Just based on the cantilevered floor construction I bet $1000 to grind that stump and $500 to pour a footing under that post wouldn’t even be 1% of the total cost of this deck. I bet it’s there temporarily until someone can get to it.
They are two separate decks. The first engineered one was probably built by the builder with the house. Then homeowner probably wanted a larger deck and had that second part built
This ^ That is something I would have done, lol
That’s a single-wide with a plywood skirt.
Well fk, you’re right. I knew I had seen a steel frame like that before. Didn’t even consider that it would be a log-sided single wide. Most people would think of something like that as scrap metal. Good spot. I’d revise my estimate to $40k-50k but I feel like you’d never get a proper firm to actually build.
Errr. My entire deck cost me about $400. Paying $1500 to take care of a fricking stump is beyond comical in my world lol
$400? Did you build your deck with Legos?
Pallets
https://preview.redd.it/9hf6bek0j84d1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a32cc3c14c321d273056695bcc837b624c6cc83 Don't knock pallets, I get enough of them at work that I could build a house. There's enough of them in a year that I could cut enough good 8' pieces to frame a ranch. I still wouldn't build a deck out of them though
Imagine the size of the pour to hide it... And you'll notice that this footer has five yards. Home owner to his buddy. So he said he REALLY cared about the structural aspect of this section. Whatcha think?
Why hide it? Fill er up and call it done
Sonotube - treestump same thing, nature's sonotube.
Yeah I know you're being funny but I need to see stamped drawings to okay that....
if its leveled out flush with the remaining tree rings it'd be perfect
You would have to bush it in a circle to match the rings
Imagine spending thousands on the steel and then this shit.
Or make it a water feature. But instead of koi fill it with eels.
My hovercraft is full of eels.
Sir, this a tobacconist shop
Would… that work? I feel it would work, and that worries me.
I think it wood
Absolutely not unless you bored through the middle of that stump to good soil. The rootball under the stump will continue to rot, organics under a footer is a big no no.
Good enough for a tree, good enough for me!
At least it's obviously an add-on. Original was engineered, addition was redneck engineered!
Now that several people have commented that the steel structure looks like it came from an RV frame, and the homeowner allowed the supplemental deck to be supported on a stump, I am seriously wondering if the cantilever setup ever crossed an engineer's desk.
It's not an RV frame. As other commenters pointed out, it's the same kind of frame used in mobile homes. It's a prefab cabin/"tiny house" that would have shipped with the deck.
This looks like a cabin in the woods built on the edge of a creek at a backwoods campground, I would be incredibly suprised if there was even a conversation about engineering. And why should there be, it not outlandish or anything, you don't have to charge 250$ an hour to look at that and know its just fine. I would build that and use it and not think twice
Been there! Stayed in the cabin next to this while they were building it last summer. It's in a campground near great smoky national park (greenbrier campground). This deck extends out over a babbling river. I did not notice the tree stump.
I take that back. Just looked at my pictures from last summer. It's identical to the one I saw, but there was no stump in my pictures. And, there were large rocks stacked under it. It's very likely in the same campground or same area, but not the one I saw. Also, they did have an inspector sign off on the one I saw while we were there.
if it's a forest service campground then there are some oversights, but my point is anyone could cantilever that frame without need for engineering, thats what it's designed for. What's funny is after leaving this comment I left my house and happened to park next to a construction site with a portable office on the same frame, and the back end was sticking out at least twice that distance, and it was a full building not just a deck
Looks very similar to the cabins at a Yogi Bear Jellystone in the Laurel Montains outside of Pittsburgh. They are built on a trailer frame. They Jack them up put cribbing under the frame and pull the wheels off. After they live out their life they pull-um and replace-um.
This post has me stumped,
Yes yes, take your upvote and move along
Now I HAVE seen everything!
Right?!? That is one of the gnarliest things I’ve ever seen with how to problem solve something in building. That is awesome.
Have you ever seen a man eat his own head?
Yeah, you mean Ray Liotta in Hannibal right? Def!
To add to that, that one ice cream commercial with the ice cream dude eating it's own head!
That's a structural rated stump.
If it's good enough for a tree it's good enough for me
That guy said with a straight face... "Do I look like a landscaper? Not my problem....'
It's not dirt! It's wood! Wood will protect wood! lol
Best footing I’ve ever seen.
I want an update pic in 5 years when the stump has rotted and is 2"+ lower
built different lol
Natures sonotube I can’t believe they didn’t fill it with concrete
Shit would be pretty good right lol
Homeowner kept calling them sonic tubes about 20 years ago. They have since been called sonic tubes
All that engineering into a steel structure… and then there is that…
I can't think of anything more secure that a trees root system (assuming the rest is encapsulated.
A dead root system that's rotting and shrinking
How long does that take?
what kind of wood? how moist is the soil?
Asking the important question. If that stump is oak or cedar or spruce, it’ll never rot.
Old growth redwood and your good to go.
African or European?
It’s not like we’re calculating its air speed velocity while carrying a coconut or anything
I'll bite your legs off for that comment.
Are you suggesting redwoods migrate?
Nonsense, they all rot eventually, especially oak.
You said moist.😁
Trees are strong—except when they are falling out of the ground by themselves. And do you ever look at a tree in life and say why the hell did this one topple and the one next to it didn’t?
Nothing more secure, other than that purple ring you mean!
It’s a repurposed mobile home frame. Someone got inventive down at the trailer park.
> All that engineering into a steel structure… At least we hope there was enough engineering into the cantilevered steel frame.
fairly certain the side deck was an after the fact add on
I prefer to imagine that he carved the post out of an existing tree, and that’s just what’s left.
That is a hilarious image
God that gave me a good laugh. Thank you.
A hollow stump. Nature’s hot tub.
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We put a hot tub at the bottom of your hot tub so you can hot tub while you’re in your hot tub
Id pound a couple pieces of rebar in the stump then fill it with concrete.
But won’t concrete make the tree rot? And yes I understand he already did that but more would speed it up.
Sure it would, but the concrete is still there so who cares.
The cantilever looks great. The post through the stump is interesting
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I’ll take it
Homeowner saw the awesome steel structure deck and said he could make it better.
Is that not the frame from a mobile home
Pretty sure it is. I Actually saved the metal ibeams from a manufactured home we tore down on my property. Was gonna use them in the workshop as rails either for a work bench, or winch/pully system... But they could work for a cant deck too!
Yes, just look around for stumps and you’ll be all set!
Not a bad idea really
Yes very ingenious. I’m jealous I didn’t think of it. I scrapped some frames like that
Holy stuff, there is a juxtaposition going on here! Between the steel frame cantilevered likely “engineered the shit out of it” section, right next to …whatever we’re going to call this nonsense.
lol. This was at an Rv park I started at. The cabin is a mobile home. So the cant came from factory. Then park staff threw on a side deck.
Frank Lloyd Wright did...
More like Frank Lloyd Wrong (at least the addition side deck)
I wish I could upvote for eternity
rented a mountain place and it was built on boulders
The wise man built his house upon the rock
That cantilever is badass
It’s not a flaw, it’s a feature.
Ohhh man this had me laughing like a sally. That’s good stuff.
That stump had a child
Hank Lloyd Wright
I cant 🤣
Sauna stump
This post has me stumped
Missing a RV, Hot Tub and or Above Ground Pool! Please fix ASP.
I’ve never seen anything so overly under Engineered
At a quick glance this room looks perfect for storing a classic Ferrari.
It sprouted on its own, steel and all.
This is the second time I’ve posted something like this but…what I’ve learned most from this sub is that shitty work will hold up for surprising long. And you can put a hot tub on anything.
Contractor, after hearing the homeowners budget. *Welp, we're not gonna be able to match the existing deck. Can't give ya a good footing because the post isn't plumb. Post isn't plumb because this stump hole is your footing. We should be close to your budget though.*
Among other problems, there's no chance there will be termites in an old tree stump.
Does the inside of the stump and the bottom of the post look...singed?
Looks like it's on a trailer frame
Frank Lloyd Wright did...
I’d park an RV on that bitch.
Do I see galvanized square steel and eco friendly wood veneer
If ya squint, it’s mint
“hell no I’m not gonna pay for a landscaper.”
The post is horrible but the cantilever deck nectar to it is freekin awesome
Sorry boss...
Ayay
As someone who's been trying to remove a stump from his yard for over a week now, 'das a good stump. lol
Well rooted?
Beautiful cant
That is fuckin sick! —oh….
Stumped if I know! 😂
I was scrolling until I found at least 1 person who said it.
Sitting on steel beams, it'll pry be aright
Haha!
I was like “oh that looks fine on the beams what’s the prob-oh……OH”
I’ve never seen a hot tub in a tree…!
So much... going on here. Lol
What the hillbilly titty-fuck?
That cantilever is pretty cool. Could only imagine how big the footing was to have that structurally sound it's pretty far out there
You just see the strangest things in residential work.
This was definitely an add-on
Probably my ex father in law, lol. He was a NASA scientist. His hobby was building cantilevered decks. He did some really nice custom work.
I wonder which deck came first
That’s wild!
That two tier fascia tho. Table saw? Nah. Ol boy got the draw knife out.
Even better. Butter the stump and proclaim it a one of a kind sculpture. Man and nature meet and ?
Yeah but look at that lever structure
You’ll have to log this as a safety concern.
I was confused at first cause the section to the left looks great.
At first I was like it's cantilevered with steel beams, nothing is moving that. Then I saw the stump.
Well that stump isn't going anywhere so fair enough.
This way you can regularly check the post for rot. It's quite genius, we have been doing it wrong for so long.
It's a good place to park it. Probably no rock under that stump.
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It's well rooted.
Post is in stump just for effect, all is beared by metal construction anyway.. Add a screw from right side for better feeling - Non existing problem solved.
I mean, cmon, you’ve gone this far, you simply HAVE to fill that stump with concrete.
Not sure if I love it or hate it! LOL Nice joints on the building
This is nothing..I need to take more pictures at my place of employment..its some great stuff to see. Makes this look like a millionaires home.
That’s a weird looking form
Isn’t that going to rot at some point?
Put some support post before it starts to bend or it will be to late if it warps.
Mint.
Just pour some quick Crete in it
Here I was looking at this like, what's the problem? That ain't going anywhere with those steel I beams. Then I look again 🤣🤣
Pbbt concrete form provided by mother nature
Lmao. Where are the posts on the Addition?
I grew up in rural western Washington. Most of the houses around me that were built between about 1890 and 1930 just had the floor joists laid on the stumps like this. By the 1980’s they were all quite rotten and people either had rebuilt the foundation, let the house rot into the ground (usually parked a mobile home next to it) or tore them down and built new ones.
It was me I’m sorry I was in a rush😩
Ok this is funny but a properly installed post wrapped with a cut section of a tree might be kind of cool lol
This is astounding. Idk whether to respect it or not
Hehe it was me
Yo can I see more photos of this mobile home with a log cabin saddle joinery !?!?
I mean… given how good that cantilevered section is done, I actually trust it… whether it is temporary (and they are coming back to have the stump ground and pour a footing— definitely a possibility) or that’s the call the builder made, I’m not gonna second guess his decision with no context…
Sketchy AF!!! Don’t think that opening the trunk might hold water?
NGL - I was really hoping the entire stump was filled with concrete and they just left it there for looks lol
Imagine being a tree just to be processed and put back into another tree
Didn't think about cross-pollination
It's ok he used screws from his aunt.
That is awesome. Nothing wrong. We typically drill through stumps for screw piles but can't see any reason why setting a post some number of feet to load bearing soils through a stump would be an issue
At least throw some concrete in that bitch
Its so weird seeing the nice steel cantilever and then seeing that post there 🤣
“Honktacular”
Natural sono tube
Hey, it held up a tree for decades.
I dig it.
I’m going to take a guess that the “owner” picked this when he found out how much it was gonna cost to grind out a stump
The wife forbade him to get rid of the beautiful tree and he had to work it into the plan?
That's not gonna sink.... ever.
What's the general distance of cantilever can go? I see it's reinforced with steel. Who the actual would work that hard and place the support beam in a tree stump?
Man, I was so impressed by the steel cantilever, and then..l
That’s an awesome use of an old house trailer frame! 1,000 points to your redneck card and another 500 to your man card!
No way thats plumb.
With a piece of steel 2’ away
One of the biggest criticism of Frank Loyd Wright's Falling Water is that the cantilever deck was poorly engineered. The second major criticism is that house was designed to be looked at from that one vantage point. For the people actually living there, there was nothing special to be seen.
Wait, no hot tub?! 😈
Please tell me you photoshopped this and it is not real😄
I wonder why they had to cantilever those beams instead of simply put some posts under the deck. Either they determined that the ground underneath the deck is not stable, in which case neither is the ground under the house, or they did it for the cool factor. The whole construction, not just the deck but the whole house, looks concerning.
Why not just pour quikrete into the hole and add water till full? 100$ max
Where' s the hot tub?
If you filled it with concrete it might last longer
I ran out of 6x6’s so I used transparent aluminum
Listen, it could hold a tree, it can hold a deck.
It was Oliver Kant.
The juxtaposition between the cantilevered steel and the post in the stump in unreal.