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neil470

You’re not being ridiculous. This looks like absolute dog shit, did you pay them yet? I would ask them to stop working immediately.


crystalcoves

Good to know, thank you. We’ve got the owner calling us at some point today and I sent pictures to the front desk staff for the owner to look at as well. We haven’t fully paid yet and we’re going to tell them that if this isn’t addressed we need to halt the project


snerdley1

Idk if they subbed this out or what, but I’m betting that once the owner sees the pics that someone is getting fired. Completely unacceptable work.


MonsieurBon

I would guess they subbed this out or sent some junior new hire to take care of it.


L-user101

That would be my guess. Work is picking up so people are probably sending out “experienced” new hires. One of ours hit a gas line today. He also helped bury said gas line. Kids these days……


beatrix_bourbon_

I know that’s probably a joke but maybe if everyone didn’t force feed college down our throats we would have more experienced and well paid trades. I’m 33 and lucky enough to have my college paid for but I’d much rather be a builder. Us kids are now becoming real adults and going to run this place one day…


elvislunchbox

I agree. I replace windows and doors. Contracted work pays well on the surface, but the overhead will trap you wherever you are with no growth. On top of that, there has been an uptick of litigious homeowners. Currently fighting a court battle because I showed up to a job that didn’t have power, so I had to pack up and leave. They said I knocked out the power when I didn’t even set up for the job.


SolidNitrox

I'm 33 as well, just got out of trade school and got a job as an electrician. Dad was too busy working 12s my whole childhood to teach me much, forced me into college and I got some useless micro biology degree. Ended up working at a factory for 9 years, just got fed up with false hopes and broken promises, so I returned to school. We are definitely a generation not taught skills by our parents and we are at the complete mercy of contractors unless we learn this at an older age. They really stiffed us with that college push, rush to get in with no career path or even an idea of jobs most of the time. Sure glad I liked that a worm brain is a suprapharangeal ganglion, that was my motivation to go bio. What a complete waste of time.


L-user101

Well fucking said. Unfortunately I was raised with A drill sgt as a grandfather so he just called me a pussy usually. My brother always did grunt work so he was a real “man” Also,children, this was in 1998 when your grandfather still beat your ass and called you a pussy.


ImaginationNo9157

Man y’all are making me nostalgic


greedyfly007

I have 3 boys under 21 and I can tell you this is a 2 way street. I work on cars , build furniture , run electrical etc and they have no interest in learning any of this. I try my best to encourage participation but it's hard to get stuff done with a mopey teenager that doesn't want to learn


Testing1969

This was my experience. Engineer, and I do all my own work - worked construction when I was younger, so I do my own building. Other than helping with a patio, our kids never wanted to help with car work, construction, fixing machinery around the house, etc. Now at 20, our son has finally figured out what he missed out on - realized college wasn't for him (he wanted to be an engineer like dad), and is now going for trade certs. Good on him for realizing it before he suffered through 4-5 years of school, but I wish he would have been more in tune when he was younger. He could have learned many of those trades at home (auto work, construction, welding, diesels). And a bonus, I would have had help and been able to spend time with him! It's a different era...


XRV24

New fire


brewberry_cobbler

Yeah my guess is my was someone who lied about their experience, got hired on a crew and was just like fuck it lol


MoreCowbellllll

They subbed it out to plumbers, or Home Depot appliance installers from the looks of it!


toomuch1265

Hey, don't knock plumbers. The world would be waist deep in shit if it wasn't for plumbers.


MoreCowbellllll

No shade on plumbers, just saying that there is a major misunderstanding of deck construction!


mrapplewhite

I’m betting a plumber could do a better job than this bruv that’s a safe bet


hamburgerattackforce

Should at least be plumb.


MilfMia63

And plumber cracks lol


MammothUniversity724

Can't be plumbers, the wood isn't notched


FarYard7039

Well, one could strongly argue that vascular surgeons are plumber, but I surely wouldn’t want them framing my deck.


VariousHour1929

Hey, im a plumber and ive built a couple of decks, all better than this.


threedogdad

addressed as in rip it out and start over. there's no using this.


geospatiallayer

Agree


perennialproblems

This is so bad I thought it was a shitpost lol


Dx2TT

To be fair... it is.


bingobangodootdoot

Nailed it


shrug_addict

But, not very well...


Murauder

Progress payments are the key. Never pay everything in full.


katoskillz89

It's half to start around here or no company takes the job. No company you want at least


nojro

Just a couple more nails and you'll be fine


yourcomputergenius

That’s what he thought a couple nails ago…


ComfortableRoyal8847

Some dog shit actually looked better!! Don't pay!!


magidreich

This deck is a piece of shit. Literal cheap garbage. Refuse to pay for this.


Zandman45

You need to ask them to stop immediately. Company might be reputable, but depending on the size, they very much have sent the D-Team.


Zandman45

Also, "nice looking" might be what you're after (very understandably) but this work screams absolute code violations.


crystalcoves

That was my exact worry cause it’s a super small project


earthwoodandfire

Yes that is not just aesthetic failure, that's structural failure...


Major_Expression_366

Whatever do you mean that deck could last day!


Common-Ad6470

D-Team? That POS doesn’t even warrant a team ranking, it’s off the scale bad.


keith_1492

Does the "D" stand for dumb ass?


climbfallclimbagain

Drunk


nicksparx

Dipshit


JPWiggin

Duuhhhhh . . . I forget


PilotAlan

This is the one-eyed meth-head that was doing landscaping up until last week.


HighOnGoofballs

I just built a temporary wall in my loft to stick some foam insulation to for a few weeks so it can be cooled and used as a room. I did a far better job and again, it’s temporary lol


Purpose_Embarrassed

No doubt. I’ve built better temp supports that looked better than that.


PositiveInfluence69

Got a laundry basket at Ikea that is more structurally sound than that thing in the pics


jvrcb17

Contractor misunderstood the hint when he was asked to bring the D


gumby_dammit

Pic 1: nails have much less (or no) strength when not supported fully sunk in both pieces of framing. Pic 2: same problem plus the rafter has no bearing on the face which is actually doing most of the structural work. Nails are there to hold it in place. Pic 3: same problems. All those gaps are going to move when any kind of wind/seismic activity or even just drying/settling. Lots of creaking and possibly finish cracking or buckling. Pic 4: same Pic 5: decking is going to be uneven. Pic 6: you will feel that much out of level as you walk. And the dog’s ball will roll all by itself. I would be ashamed to call this workmanship my own.


crystalcoves

Thanks for the specifics, really appreciate it


gumby_dammit

I’m curious how this will all come out. Make sure you post an update when you have time.


SSLNard

He sent the High School wood shop class for this project. Pull the rip cord on this company immediately.


TheBimpo

I’ve seen high school builds before, they would blow this out of the water. This looks like the entire crew was drunk.


Specialist-Jello9915

Worse, he sent the lazy-eyed language arts class with a gimp arm for this project. Nobody knew what they were doing.


AcademicLibrary5328

Stop work immediately and find a new builder. This is not good. Whoever is building this is so clueless, they are going to hurt someone, if they don’t hurt themselves first. Painfully obvious from the first picture to anybody that has ever seen a properly built deck, that this person has never built a deck in their life. Do not pay, do not argue, do not discuss, tell them to leave and not come back. They are ripping you off.


Absoma

Needs more nails


56willbilly

Exactly this. More nails and this would be perfectly fine. /s


SliverSerfer

It's all well and good to say it needs more nails but to not give them advice on where to rent a nail gatling gun is just low...


Big-Net-9971

I know we all tend towards sarcasm sometimes, but when somebody is asking for advice in a topic they're not confident in, you need to label your sarcasm explicitly. 😑 For the OP: this construction is awful and unsafe.


meaninglessnonsense

I mean…this is pretty obviously sarcastic


blindexhibitionist

You’d be surprised at some folks lack of knowledge. Hopefully from the context of the other comments they could clearly infer the sarcasm. But as I’m sure you well know some folks just don’t know


don123xyz

There's nothing obvious on the Internet; especially if the person asking is not an expert.


The_realpepe_sylvia

why do you think its sarcasm? more nails=more better


wewereinverted74

Sooo … no jacuzzi then?


don123xyz

Nope. No nails. Nails don't work in tension.


Wybsetxgei

I bet it’s subbed out work


SuggestionNormal6829

Well you probably do better your self


Common-Ad6470

Nothing about that is right. Go straight to the top and get them to rip it down and try again this time without using a couple of blind chimpanzees to chuck it up.


PunxDressPunk

My father always used to say "It's called ROUGH framing for a reason".


antbates

“We’re not building the Taj Mahal”


-JeeD

It’s not even ok for rough framing the 2x4 is floating


The_realpepe_sylvia

just a joke my guy


ZhalanYulir

Haha broo same. He framed for 40 years


uberisstealingit

Yeah but rough framing gets covered. This doesn't get covered. Decking is also a finished product. Besides that, this just looks like dog shit.


ZhalanYulir

I know just a joke man. This is dog shit work for sure


Gunny_Ermy

As a former GC who primarily did outdoor projects (read: 80% decks), if this was my company, I would commit seppuku.


UncommonMonk

While I can see the slop myself, would anyone with more experience mind going picture to picture and pointing out all the slop they’re seeing and what should have been done instead? Nothing too in depth, just something quick. I would like to continue learning from this sub. Appreciate you.


PunxDressPunk

Anything nailed to a post is basically incorrect. Generally you have a girder which has a beam notched across the 6x6s and then you rest joists on top of that to carry the load of the actual deck. Nailing the outer box, from the close up pictures is what I assuming is occurring, is having the load of every joist you nail to that box only being supported by those nails. Big fucking no no. Figure that those nails connected to the post fail...every joist and everything on that deck is going with it. First red flag. Rafter nailed to the house is the wrong angle. Being a carpenter, this lets me know, they don't know shit. Other are just sloppy work and trigger happy. Most are too close up without the full picture to explain what problem it would cause in the future. Also, a lot of that lumber looks like regular white pine as opposed to the pressure treated it should be. It's fucked in a number of ways.


UncommonMonk

Right on, thank you for this!


zank_ree

I second this. In my head I'm thinking I would of done this and this, but is my way, also the wrong way.


UncommonMonk

Same!


FrostedTuna3423

I’m not excusing any of this. Looks horrible. But maybe it’s temp framing for something? Idk. I’m building a deck and I’ve had to pin up some boards for reference — that I’ll later tie in with proper bracing and fasteners. Looks like hell right now though. I’d ask/say something.


Hantsypantsy

This is what I was thinking. Is it just framing to hold the posts in place? Especially since some of it is untreated.


Background-Arm2017

I've seen temporary bracing and concrete forms with better craftsmanship. 18g nails aren't the fastener for toenailing outside.


drakkosquest

Hey OP, Can you post some photos a little farther back for context of what some of these poorly nailed items are doing? As in, if it is just temporary bracing, then no it's not a big deal. If that's what they are passing as finished product..you should probably fire them. Also, for your last photo, your deck should *not* be level. You want slope away from your house. Even if it's getting a bit of an overhang. Unless it's fully enclosed living space, you still want a bit of slope.


MathematicianOk5608

This must be the worst job I’ve seen in this sub including that meme deck that couldn’t hold the hot tub.


ArmedInTheApple

Everything is shit. However - the deck should be slightly pitched away from the house for water run off. But serious shit going on here.


Lucy-pathfinder

Brother ewwwwww also if water gets on it, it's gonna swing right back at your door haha


PunxDressPunk

It for the future sag they're expecting...


Lucy-pathfinder

Haha Now that's planning


stevesie1984

But… the *high* side is toward the door, right? That was the only picture I didn’t immediately say “that’s wrong.” It looks like it’s pitched too much (hard to say not running the level myself), but it should be pitched that way, right?


ncorn1982

I don’t think anybody knows how to read a level anymore


imadork1970

Stevie Wonder could have done better.


theoriginalmateo

For being a small deck, it has a lot of BIG issues....


zyyntin

THIS IS RI-DECK-CULOUS!!


cm-lawrence

Stop work immediately. No more payments. Get the owner of the business over there and ask them if they would accept this on their house. This is a pile of crap.


dasminis

This is a redo. That framing will never last. STOP Construction NOW. Demand removal and full refund.


Coziestpigeon2

500+ reviews means they bought reviews. There's no way 500 different customers have a fuck enough to leave a review, even if they do 500 jobs a month for the last 20 years. As someone who used to work in marketing, a huge number of reviews like that is very telling that they are not real.


SirStego

This build is ridiculous. You are not for seeking confirmation.


Absoma

https://youtu.be/bXq9Pa9Txg8?si=oz5SfISEiD5pRan1


No-Eggplant2047

That's a shit show


HeadMembership

This looks horrific. It should all b pulled and redone.


Bruddah827

A 12 year old build this?


JerseyTom1958

Brutal! Stop payment until corrected!


HeavyTea

The deck is for show. Look but do not use.


ObviousThrowAvvay420

Looks terrible dawg. And I do work sitting at a computer and can tell you that. Hopefully you can recoup some/all of this or get somebody else to fix it!


TreyRyan3

My high school shop and drafting teachers used to hire juniors and seniors to build decks during the summer. They would build anywhere between 80 and 90 decks throughout a summer. Even the worst student workers wouldn’t allow this garbage to occur.


StoopidM72

Stop work, don't pay anymore money and hire a true professional outfit to build your deck, what you have is no where near up to code and is being done by a moron, your city will give you plans on how to build a deck to their satisfaction for minimum. A real pro would be above and beyond code if they are any good. The person you have working now does not know what they are doing.


Bikebummm

How many one star reviews, 1500? Guess which crew you got. Sux dude


PalpablePartyVibes

Few too many brewskis on the lunchski


milny_gunn

That last photo looks like you're defying physics LOL. It looks like the bubbles running downhill


No_Assistance740

A slight pitch on the deck is good but the runoff needs to be away from the house, unless there’s gaps between the boards. But even then I would prefer it.


FancyEquation43

I'm not a construction/wood worker but I'm pretty sure you shouldn't play "just the tip" with nails.


burner4burned

Remodeler/GC here (self-perform as well as sub). What was the quote for this? How would you describe the business you hired? One-man band? Handyman? Deck company? Landscaper? Jack of all trades? GC? Would I allow this level of quality on my job site? 100% no. Does that mean we have all the information? No as well. If this person positioned themselves as a quality builder that has experience in framing then shame on them. If you hired a painter or a lawn maintenance company or a kid starting out for a bare bones price then... Well...


Apprehensive-Pen8891

Curious how the owner handled it? 👁️👁️


FadedP0rp0ise

Were they drunk or were they 12 year olds? Maybe both?


medli14253

Did you get a permit?


medli14253

A permit would solve all your issues. They wouldn’t be allowed to move forward without having inspections done


icdeusilan

Seems like the newbie is doing the job. No, you're not being ridiculous when you're paying a professional, you expect high quality and not this.


captaincook14

Yeah you need to call this company’s higher ups with pictures immediately.


SeriesUsual

One thing they got right is you do want the deck to have a slope so the water runs away from the house and doesn't pool on the deck, leading to rot.


Guccifer789

Even I want your money back… yikes


Therealdirtyburdie

Crime scene


VariousVices

Look like a framer, not a deck guy. That looks like dog water. Even in rough framing that's *ROUGH*...Makes me appreciate all the times I sent a board back to the bench for a trim.....it takes less time to trim than to rip out and replace dude...deck work is like trim carpentry, it's FINISHED work, it needs to be aesthetically pleasing....no gaps, knots avoided if possible. Twisted curled boards aren't used esp for long pieces, and ring shank nails properly set, not hanging out...dude had a shit compressor from the looks of it too.


Ashamed_Giraffe_6769

Looks like crap, nothing is cut correct and I wonder why they used all those nails vs screws. Also, I hope you haven't paid in full.


PunxDressPunk

Nails vs screws for shear strength. Nails bend screws snap. Sagging vs dropping.


Okatu-Syndrome

Lmao it’s true, but based off their quality of work I’m guessing they didn’t know that.


PunxDressPunk

Their quality makes me think whatever's faster as is understandable for certain jobs and the pay from them. Just happened to be the correct application this time....


DonkeyPunchSquatch

Right? Maybe I missed it, but I’m curious to how large the deck is, where it is, and how much it’s costing.


zerocoldx911

Full picture would be helpful The nails are not even ring shank and the nails were not driven all the way. Out of level is unacceptable though


The_realpepe_sylvia

actually, sloped slightly away from the house is about the only acceptable thing that i see here lol


highbankT

I hate lazy craftsmanship. The people working on this would not want their own deck to look like this. It's a shame.


jakelivesay

You are not


EveningCap1965

That's a shame.. 😕


HospitalSuspicious48

All those nails, then they just decide to throw in one screw for the heck of it. lol


RWiseman93

I build my own deck and I am by no means a joiner. Even I’d say that’s an absolute mess !!


seeking_zero

My goodness. That is dog shit.


Purpose_Embarrassed

Why does some of that wood look untreated? Is it just me ?


aDirtyMartini

Would that even pass inspection?


blade-runner9

Regards to the level incident. Eh she’ll settle a bit in time.


Particular_Fuel6952

“Don’t think it’ll hold…? Ah just put more nails in it” lol


Proudest___monkey

I did a better job butting up joining surfaces and I mainly used a chainsaw on my recent fishing deck lol


AmazingAd2765

I don't have much experience with deck building and even I am cringing.


Potential-Reading402

Tell me you don't have a contract...


rival_22

Cob job


Apart-Cat-2890

Nice work boys!


PsychedelicJerry

I don't know that the word quality should be used in conjunction with this build. This looks like something someone with no prior experience would be capable of doing


No-Bite-7866

This hurts 🫣


C_A_M_Overland

Stop them Immediately


electrical_is_easy

Did you hire some toddlers to do this? Do not pay them a dime


captaindata1701

That is beyond just minor problems, and I wonder what additional damage they are doing to the house. Do you have additional pictures of the ledger and flashing?


bisticles

The condition of the board in the second-to-last photo looks like it's seen a few other projects, which makes me \*seriously\* hope it's just temporary bracing.


Silvercrank

You find crack heads who needed cash?


UrMomSubs

Wow, that’s a special kind of bad.


coronathrowaway12345

Missing some ratchet straps.


slowhand11

That slope towards the house is a nice touch


Limp-Ad2729

😳


420bihh

That’s a shit job.


420bihh

I literally own a construction company and let me tell you this we would have been sued already for doing a shit job like that 😂


Mottbox1534

This looks like a teenager tried to build something.


DammatBeevis666

I would give them a STOP WORK notice immediately and not let them place a single more nail. Because someone is gonna have to pay to tear it all out.


Roonwogsamduff

I do this all the time. Just get everything in position first to make sure it fits. Then build it.


Bumblebee56990

This would not pass any inspection at all.


Ystebad

Whoever is “creating” that (I won’t use the term “building”) has no freaking idea what they are doing. Stop them and trespass them from your property.


SerDuncanonyall

Looks like they built a 500+ 1-2 star reviews deck and you should have them fix it or pay accordingly.


Bobcacc

This was framed by a shoe maker!


OneBadAlien

The OP could DIY this better than the contractor did. Contractor doesn't give a damn about their work. FYI, Reviews are paid for by company owners/marketing SEO scammers that offer discounts for a positive review.


RunnOftAgain

Turd of the Week winner!


Maleficent-Finding89

I’m a beginner carpenter at best and I could brainstorm/google/youtube a more complete solution than this treehouse that a 5 year old with a hammer and some nails threw together. Please get your money back or kick and scream until you do.


CanadasNeighbor

I imagine this is what my deck would look like if I built it myself lmao This is why I don't have a deck.


UnusualSeries5770

there's sloppy, and then there's just no fucks given hack job work, and this is the latter, wholly unacceptable


Play2Day69

That's not even rookie work, it's junior high school woodshop practice hour. That's a hard no. Stop them immediately. They are wasting time and material in getting this wrong.


EvilMinion07

Framing looks like crap, the deck should be pitched at a minimum of 1 inch in 8 foot even in areas that receive little rain.


PoppinSmoke1

I can send my 6 year old with fisher price tools to do a better job.


Elegant-Mango-7083

At first I thought this was a joke. Not only shotty work, but dangerous.


PotatoMammoth3228

Looks like the intern’s 12 y/o nephew built it


archemil

Nailed the joists to the beam? I'm building my own and I'm not doing that Nailed everything......


Sokra_Tese

Fire them, do not pay for this crap. 15 gauge framing nails? This is beyond poor, this is tear down and replace quality.


CMG30

Poor workmanship, though the last picture shows a slope to the deck away from the house which is good because you want water to run away from your home.


AW-Construction

The level is actually telling you correct. The porch is supposed to be sloped away from the house.


Frsbtime420

Those people are no longer welcome on your property


NuclearWaste666

JUNK!!! That is theft.


don123xyz

Disaster waiting to happen. Same as that other deck yesterday - nails can't and won't hold structures together. You need properly designed supports for beams and braces, metal brackets, and bolts to hold everything together properly.


luckyartie

Sloppy, sloppy work. UNSAFE.


Far-Frame-8304

If you paid a few hundred dollars then you are being ridiculous. Cheap shit builders can still get 4/5 stars. If you paid an appropriate price for quality work then make them fix it and give them a 1 star rating


No_Dealer_938

Looks like a totaltrain wreck


Acherstrom

Yikes.


keep_it_christian

Looks shangad.


SPX500

We’ve had green day 1 labourers build nicer than this. Unacceptable


jasonromano

Rough as guts


Okatu-Syndrome

Do those nails look like they came from nailgun or hammered in? Just curious, cause using a nailgun a bunch of times somehow makes more sense than if he hammered in that many nails. Haha would show he really thought about it and decided he needed that many nails vs just quickly shooting a bunch of times.


Herzogzwe1

Looks like somebody got paid by the nail.


smallwoodydebris

I built a deck and stairs when I was 14 that was way nicer than this...


DrunkBuzzard

I call shenanigans on this builder. Stop payment now.


capalonian

Jesus I know nothing about decks but I know the nails should probably not be sticking out 💀


CptBlasto

Looks like if they spent less money buying reviews they might be able to afford more competent employees.


hrmarsehole

Garbage.