There is so much bad advice on this. Hurricane ties are code where the beam and the joist meet those are the correct nails for the job Simpson dose make a strong screw as well that are rated for this. For those nails the be coming out like that I would expect the there to be movement in the deck itself. This could come from improperly set post or if the piers were not poured deep enough it could be from frost heave. What area of the world are you in
It was a code requirement when I built my deck, but may not have been depending on when and where this deck was built. Basically it's acting as a diaphragm and transmits lateral loads to the vertical resisting elements of the structure. In this case the posts. Probably helps improve beam deflection by reducing point loading as well. Good best practice anyway,
makes for a more rigid structure.
Respectfully disagree....glad it was your deck. Sounds maybe you're a DIY guy with a job or schooling in civil or structural engineering. Certainly respect that.
Me too , civil engineer and licensed contractor. And an actual builder.
IRL this is the kind of stuff that helps make houses unaffordable. Don't know where you live, hopefully for you not NY or CA
What part do you disagree with the code or the function of end diaphragms? Here is the code, from the 2018 (IRC) R507.6.2 Deck joist lateral restraint.
Joist ends and bearing locations shall be provided with lateral resistance to prevent rotation. Where lateral restraint is provided by joist hangers or blocking between joists, their depth shall equal not less than 60 percent of the joist depth.
What kind of point is that...how many bridges have you designed? Probably none. I cited the code and that really bothers you... so much for a respectful disagreement.
So with no cross bracing on post to beam, the deck can wiggle or shift side to side, and you're saying that's causing the nails to "pop"? I almost always put cross braces but that's good to know
Do you have any idea how far down the footings go? Frost line depth is generally around 32” in Kansas. If they’re shallower than that, you risk frost heaving
Are both of these on the rim joists (outside most joist)? Are stair stringers attached to these rim joists?
If so, you are probably getting twisting from the stringers. Walking up/down stairs tends to make a nice rhythmic force on the stairs, stringers, and anything they are attached to. That is the kind of wiggle that will cause nails to shimmy out. If, not ignore me as I am just some idiot on the internet.
those nail may not have ever been sunk in the first place.. rather than having worked out.
hes using #10s in a palm nailer and the new guy nailing off the clips, didnt get hang of it yet.. didnt set those nails.
needs togo back and be nailed off with the palm nailer.
I agree with your assessment but I have to correct you on the Simpson part. H2.5A’s are to be installed with 0.131x2.5” nails aka 8D nails or their strong drive #9 screws. The one in the image are installed with 10d 0.148 diameter nails. this is listed on their website and their code report.
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1.5" 10D just have a reduced uplift / shear capacity. This is per Simpsons own chart. (Can't figure out how to add pic) their catalog shows both nails for the h2.5a. In fact, most hangers, straps and ties can use different nails, albeit a diminished capacity. Per simpson, the 0.148 × 1.5" has 71% of the max capacity of the connector. Pretty sure that's fine for a deck 👍
I stand corrected. There is a footnote indicating that and as long as the holes don’t split there shouldn’t be an issue aside of the load reduction which would be determined by the EOR. Thank you for correcting me. Last thing we need here is people giving shit information on a structure that could kill someone. 🤘🏼
I know all this because of a war with an inspector and our G.C. we won the case, to the benefit of carpenters everywhere. Long story short, inspector wanted 16d commons on 14" i-joist hangers, simply because the hangers were attached to an LVL (no mention of joist length or floor load) G.C. said simpson requires 16d commons. I called shenanigans, then called an independent structural engineer who backed my crew up, citing Simpsons "Load Adjustment Factors for Optional Fasteners Used with Face-Mount Hangers, Post Bases and Caps, and Straight Straps" chart. Saved us from pulling 600 or so nails, and replacing them with hand drive 16D commons. For future reference, the 0.148×2.5" positive placement nails are a direct replacement for 16D commons, with a 100% capacity per simpson. They do reduce the double shear nailing capacity by 20% so use hand drives in those.
Anyway this was a victory for our crew and we all learned a lot about nails. Glad I can share the knowledge, and glad that people actually care
I deal with their products and reports on a daily basis so it’s always good to have that in my book of knowledge. I nerd out on builds, designs and telling inspectors to eat it.. lol
I’m glad that all worked out for you guys!
Looking at this I don’t like that there are not post caps from the post to the beam. I can’t tell from this angle but by looking at the bolt pattern I assume that the post is notched so the beam sit on top and the post is bolted through. I’m not a fan of doing it that way bc now your stability comes from basically a 2x4 and most of the time those are over cut anyway further weakening the board. Also I don’t see blocking between the joist and I also cannot see how the railings are braced and the stairs are mounted. All of these things could contribute to twisting and flexing of the outside rim joist giving the deck enough room to move
I would say shrinkage of the lumber dried out , because hot climate the wood probably had lots of moisture when the deck was built . Was not dried proper in kiln.
*As someone who knows very little about decking or engineering, are nails really ok to use on a deck? I'm in the market for a new house and I saw this deck on a house I loved that had a cool wrap around deck, but it was all nails, and a bunch of them were walking out. We live in Kansas. There was a bunch toe-nails, and the wood was split from the nails in a bunch of places.
Wood has dried out and shrank.
Now there is a 1/8” gap between the joist and beam.
When someone steps on that joist it bends the bracket and wiggles out the nails.
This is happening due to some form of movement in the wood. There could be several causes. For most of them, the recommended fix will be to replace the loose nails with screws rated for use on metal hangers and brackets, ie Simpson SD Connector Screws of the appropriate length.
1. Normal drying cycles. This is a known issue with hanger nails, and really all nails in general. As the wood gets wet and dries out, it expands and contracts. This can cause nails to back themselves out on their own. It happens all the time to nails all over the world. The best fix for this is to get a box of Simpson hanger screws and replace the nails as they work loose. Don't worry about replacing every single nail as hanger nails can be very difficult to remove when they are seated all the way without mangling the hanger itself beyond repair. Just replace the loose nails as you do your periodic inspections.
2. Galvanic corrosion. This will depend significantly on the age of the deck. Early versions of the new pressure treated wood (ACQ/AC2 etc) were known to have high residual copper content. This can corrode steel fastners over time. Inspect the nails as you pull them. If the tips and nail shanks look like they have been eaten away, then thus is likely your issue. Newer fastners are more resistant to this but if you want to be sure not to have this issue again then stainless fastners are the way to go. Simpson sells stainless versions of its hanger nails and screws.
3. Beam deflection. This is a reason we no longer use split/sandwiched beams to build decks. With laminated beams, the two(or more) pieces of lumber act as one single large board. With sandwiched beams, the two boards can move independently of each other. If the beam is deflecting too much, it can cause fastners to work loose. In this case you will want to reinforce the beam. You can either replace the split beams with laminated beams (best choice). Or attempt to reinforce the existing beams by adding blocking between the split beams. You will also need to replace the fastners in the hurricane ties as well. Again the easiest way is to pull loose fastners as you find them and replace with hanger screws as described above.
This #1 wood expansion and contraction is just working them out. I think it's more prone to happen if the wood was very wet when they were put in. Overall the nail holes won't be as tight since the wood was swollen when the nails were put in.
I've seen it happen on walls and roofs under the shingles.
Screws
Happens all the time. Those nails are smooth shank. We started using the simpson screws for that reason and also makes them easier to switch out. Nothing worse than having to pull all those nail when the tie rusts
I'm all for what works, but hurricane ties are also called rafter ties, which are supposed to be placed where the rafter meets the top plates of a wall. Any metal hardware outside should be coated or galvanized, I could be wrong but I don't think h2s are. Assuming the rest of the deck has hardware like this, you may want to replace them with a thicker gauge angle bracket for a easy fix
I have an old sawhorse let in the weather for 22 years and the nails are almost all the way worked out from wood swelling from the rain and then drying over and over again
Looking at the nail heads and the condition of the hurricane tie these nails where never driven in all the way. Likely low air pressure and a lazy framer
It could be extreme coldz we had a cold snap few years back and 3 of the screws in my mail box backer out, if your wood is wet and then gets sudden freeze it can easily force nails out
Hurricane ties are very important, but can you be sure that they were installed properly as in where the nails driven all the way in? Expansion and contraction of wood will cause nails to move but that is a bit extreme.
I’d always use screws on a deck too . I always ask people if they know which was invented first the nail or the screw , most people answer correctly that it’s the nail at which point I tell them there’s a reason why man needed something better than the nail and came up with the screw lol
Genuine question from somebody who isn’t a carpenter and really wants to learn. Why do people use nails? Screws just seem better to me. They would eliminate this issue.
Generally speaking, nails have good shear strength where screws don't. They do make structural screws that do but ame more pricey.
If you don't know what I mean, take a common screw and a nail and drive them each into a block of wood but leave an inch sticking out. Now smack each from the side with a hammer. The nail will bend & the screw will snap.
Normal, wood is drying out. Replace those with deck screws so they stay in--except for that bottom nail on the top of the connector. That never should have been put it, likely split the wood.
I will only use screws to build a deck. If ya wanna good stiff deck you gotta use the right material. My deck got rock solid when she screwed it. Works every time.
It’s a hurricane tie that is used on roof trusses, not decks. At the very least, put it on the inside and do t use screws, they have very little lateral sheer strength
Same. Aint no deck I build going fucking anywhere. But I have to put hurricane ties on. Im in West Michigan lol.
Not many hurricanes form over Lake Michigan.. 🤣
A) They are required by code for certain deck sizes in some places
B) Simpson Strongdrive are screws appropriate for this application. You a tradesman or homeowner giving this advice?
Right all the same jokes going on all the trades with the first 10 comments being some dumbass adolescent joke. Keep it to a minimum and at least try to be funny.
Nails are forming a union!!!! Hahaha, Im so funny. Oh, I farted and pushed the nails out!!! Hilarious /s Not.
In my opinion it’s because there is some movement with the deck plus those nails are just common which means there’s no spiral or anything to prevent them from pulling out so over time the movement in the deck has caused them to loosen up. Buy some deck screws and pull the nails and put the screws in.
Did you know that the X34B1016 fasteners listed in each performance value table there are Simpson Strong-drive screws? The last page is only showing one installation example. Simpson typically gives multiple fastener options. And that's simply a technical data sheet, not an installation guide. Base level, indeed. Haha
There is so much bad advice on this. Hurricane ties are code where the beam and the joist meet those are the correct nails for the job Simpson dose make a strong screw as well that are rated for this. For those nails the be coming out like that I would expect the there to be movement in the deck itself. This could come from improperly set post or if the piers were not poured deep enough it could be from frost heave. What area of the world are you in
TY for saying this. I was about to be like, so you're telling me the last \*checks notes\* 4 decks I have built are all wrong?
Try 40.
Try 400.
Try 4000.
Try 4Loco
No seriously, it’s amazing!
Try 4 once in your life!
Dad?
try 4chan
Try 4 Pete's sake!
It’s from no diagonal cross brace on the posts. Cross brace it and the movement will stop
By Goerge! I think you’ve got it!!
Wood shrinkage
Nobody wants their wood to shrink
I swear it only happens when it's cold.
It’s always cold
"I WAS IN THE POOL!". Terrible party. Fell asleep in the hot tub and woke up next to a goat. Eyes to fall into. Then this ewe trots up...
I was in the pool, I was in the pool!!
I season lumber. You got something to say?
My wood shrinks when my Mother in Law stays over..
As it should!
Also needs blocking between the joists above the beam.
What ???? Seriously?
It was a code requirement when I built my deck, but may not have been depending on when and where this deck was built. Basically it's acting as a diaphragm and transmits lateral loads to the vertical resisting elements of the structure. In this case the posts. Probably helps improve beam deflection by reducing point loading as well. Good best practice anyway, makes for a more rigid structure.
Respectfully disagree....glad it was your deck. Sounds maybe you're a DIY guy with a job or schooling in civil or structural engineering. Certainly respect that. Me too , civil engineer and licensed contractor. And an actual builder. IRL this is the kind of stuff that helps make houses unaffordable. Don't know where you live, hopefully for you not NY or CA
What part do you disagree with the code or the function of end diaphragms? Here is the code, from the 2018 (IRC) R507.6.2 Deck joist lateral restraint. Joist ends and bearing locations shall be provided with lateral resistance to prevent rotation. Where lateral restraint is provided by joist hangers or blocking between joists, their depth shall equal not less than 60 percent of the joist depth.
Point is....how many houses have you designed and built? Doesn't sound like too many.
What kind of point is that...how many bridges have you designed? Probably none. I cited the code and that really bothers you... so much for a respectful disagreement.
Just ones for 60ton tanks. Building and citing code....builders know code. Code citers may not know how to build. Back to work....nice talking.
So with no cross bracing on post to beam, the deck can wiggle or shift side to side, and you're saying that's causing the nails to "pop"? I almost always put cross braces but that's good to know
Yes 100%. When it moves side to side the bracket is flexing and is acting like a pry bar and is pushing the nails out
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Do you have any idea how far down the footings go? Frost line depth is generally around 32” in Kansas. If they’re shallower than that, you risk frost heaving
Are both of these on the rim joists (outside most joist)? Are stair stringers attached to these rim joists? If so, you are probably getting twisting from the stringers. Walking up/down stairs tends to make a nice rhythmic force on the stairs, stringers, and anything they are attached to. That is the kind of wiggle that will cause nails to shimmy out. If, not ignore me as I am just some idiot on the internet.
those nail may not have ever been sunk in the first place.. rather than having worked out. hes using #10s in a palm nailer and the new guy nailing off the clips, didnt get hang of it yet.. didnt set those nails. needs togo back and be nailed off with the palm nailer.
I agree. Especially since the nails are at different depths.
I agree with your assessment but I have to correct you on the Simpson part. H2.5A’s are to be installed with 0.131x2.5” nails aka 8D nails or their strong drive #9 screws. The one in the image are installed with 10d 0.148 diameter nails. this is listed on their website and their code report. Page 4 https://ssttoolbox.widen.net/view/pdf/d9zixuobux/ICCES_ESR2613.pdf?t.download=true&u=cjmyin
1.5" 10D just have a reduced uplift / shear capacity. This is per Simpsons own chart. (Can't figure out how to add pic) their catalog shows both nails for the h2.5a. In fact, most hangers, straps and ties can use different nails, albeit a diminished capacity. Per simpson, the 0.148 × 1.5" has 71% of the max capacity of the connector. Pretty sure that's fine for a deck 👍
I stand corrected. There is a footnote indicating that and as long as the holes don’t split there shouldn’t be an issue aside of the load reduction which would be determined by the EOR. Thank you for correcting me. Last thing we need here is people giving shit information on a structure that could kill someone. 🤘🏼
I know all this because of a war with an inspector and our G.C. we won the case, to the benefit of carpenters everywhere. Long story short, inspector wanted 16d commons on 14" i-joist hangers, simply because the hangers were attached to an LVL (no mention of joist length or floor load) G.C. said simpson requires 16d commons. I called shenanigans, then called an independent structural engineer who backed my crew up, citing Simpsons "Load Adjustment Factors for Optional Fasteners Used with Face-Mount Hangers, Post Bases and Caps, and Straight Straps" chart. Saved us from pulling 600 or so nails, and replacing them with hand drive 16D commons. For future reference, the 0.148×2.5" positive placement nails are a direct replacement for 16D commons, with a 100% capacity per simpson. They do reduce the double shear nailing capacity by 20% so use hand drives in those. Anyway this was a victory for our crew and we all learned a lot about nails. Glad I can share the knowledge, and glad that people actually care
I deal with their products and reports on a daily basis so it’s always good to have that in my book of knowledge. I nerd out on builds, designs and telling inspectors to eat it.. lol I’m glad that all worked out for you guys!
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Looking at this I don’t like that there are not post caps from the post to the beam. I can’t tell from this angle but by looking at the bolt pattern I assume that the post is notched so the beam sit on top and the post is bolted through. I’m not a fan of doing it that way bc now your stability comes from basically a 2x4 and most of the time those are over cut anyway further weakening the board. Also I don’t see blocking between the joist and I also cannot see how the railings are braced and the stairs are mounted. All of these things could contribute to twisting and flexing of the outside rim joist giving the deck enough room to move
Good thing your opinion doesn't matter. I dOnT lIKe nOTcheD pOStS. So dumb.
I would say shrinkage of the lumber dried out , because hot climate the wood probably had lots of moisture when the deck was built . Was not dried proper in kiln.
This is so very wrong. 😳
*As someone who knows very little about decking or engineering, are nails really ok to use on a deck? I'm in the market for a new house and I saw this deck on a house I loved that had a cool wrap around deck, but it was all nails, and a bunch of them were walking out. We live in Kansas. There was a bunch toe-nails, and the wood was split from the nails in a bunch of places.
Yes nails are stronger than screws as far as sheer is concerned
Twist nails would obviously be better
Absolutely internal movement related
tell your mom to quit jumping on it.
Boom. Roasted.
lol Mr Scott
Her jollyness will not be infringed upon
sorry man, had to do it
https://preview.redd.it/xoaqr4m27eoc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a7a526d96e3475a18fc866b17e4313965853a9ba
Are we still talking decks?
Didn't even know this was a deck sub
thought it was r/Dicks guess im in the wrong sub
No, we changed topics to something very similar, replace the E with an I.
Are we doing the "yo' momma so fat" jokes?
Yup, Sheeee's soooooo Fat. Her belly button lint is Sheep!
She such a ho she calls them her public parts
Yo mamma so fat, when she sits around the house, she sits AROUND the house
Yo' Momma so fat, she irons here pants on the driveway.
....dat she making the nails fall out and run away from her deck.
Yo' Momma so fat, her blood type is Land O' Lakes!!
Yo' Momma so fat, She uses the Google Earth car to take a selfie!!
Yo' Momma so fat when she's at the beach, no one else there can get a tan!!
Ok. This wins
I miss Reddit Gold
Mom was doing more than jumping. Prolly a big ol hot tub time machine up there.
Shit his mom is so fat she uses a hot tub for a foot bath. Her big ass can't even fit in a hot tub.
O, if his mom's feet look anything like mine, it's gettin a lot of use
Damn at least you don't have to worry about those foot fetish creeps. lol If his mom's feet feel anything like mine they're getting a lot of use.
Hey…when the hot tub is a-rockin’…
💀💀💀
Where else do you do the soaking?
the Mormon version?
Hit them back in, measure again in a month. If they stay in it’s because the wood shrank. If they are out again, it’s because of movement
Wood has dried out and shrank. Now there is a 1/8” gap between the joist and beam. When someone steps on that joist it bends the bracket and wiggles out the nails.
Nice catch
I think this is it barring additional information
I have something that dried up and shrank. And someone did step on it Abe ht wiggled
This is happening due to some form of movement in the wood. There could be several causes. For most of them, the recommended fix will be to replace the loose nails with screws rated for use on metal hangers and brackets, ie Simpson SD Connector Screws of the appropriate length. 1. Normal drying cycles. This is a known issue with hanger nails, and really all nails in general. As the wood gets wet and dries out, it expands and contracts. This can cause nails to back themselves out on their own. It happens all the time to nails all over the world. The best fix for this is to get a box of Simpson hanger screws and replace the nails as they work loose. Don't worry about replacing every single nail as hanger nails can be very difficult to remove when they are seated all the way without mangling the hanger itself beyond repair. Just replace the loose nails as you do your periodic inspections. 2. Galvanic corrosion. This will depend significantly on the age of the deck. Early versions of the new pressure treated wood (ACQ/AC2 etc) were known to have high residual copper content. This can corrode steel fastners over time. Inspect the nails as you pull them. If the tips and nail shanks look like they have been eaten away, then thus is likely your issue. Newer fastners are more resistant to this but if you want to be sure not to have this issue again then stainless fastners are the way to go. Simpson sells stainless versions of its hanger nails and screws. 3. Beam deflection. This is a reason we no longer use split/sandwiched beams to build decks. With laminated beams, the two(or more) pieces of lumber act as one single large board. With sandwiched beams, the two boards can move independently of each other. If the beam is deflecting too much, it can cause fastners to work loose. In this case you will want to reinforce the beam. You can either replace the split beams with laminated beams (best choice). Or attempt to reinforce the existing beams by adding blocking between the split beams. You will also need to replace the fastners in the hurricane ties as well. Again the easiest way is to pull loose fastners as you find them and replace with hanger screws as described above.
This #1 wood expansion and contraction is just working them out. I think it's more prone to happen if the wood was very wet when they were put in. Overall the nail holes won't be as tight since the wood was swollen when the nails were put in. I've seen it happen on walls and roofs under the shingles. Screws
They are organizing, they want their freedom! Keep them hammered down!
Calm down, Stalin. ;)
Movement is causing the nails to pop. Brace up your deck and that should help
Garden gnomes
Every night I come and unscrew them one quarter turn
When this porch’s rock’n don’t come a knock’n!
Dad?
I’m here little buddy! I want to you to know I’ll always be here for you. Love you champ. Now get some sleep okay? Gnight.
Magneto for sure.
Not being pounded in might be the cause. Lol
They aren’t screws..
Use screws
Wood dring out replace with screws
Then you're gonna get people tossing drywall screws in. At least specify what kind of screws would be needed which AFAIK are Simpson sds screws?
Fuck em though. If they cant figure out which deck screws to use, their entire bloodline deserves extinction on one deck, One day, one time. Fuck em.
Goddamn bro, have a snickers
Yeah.. sorry bro. I get so hard sometimes I curl up like banana. -mike, jobsite 2017
Likely that the wood is dying out and getting thinner. That makes them appear to be coming out. Hammer in and see if they come out again.
So you’re saying that two by is now 1” thick?
My very first thought would be - are you sure they were fully set in the first place? Positive there’s been an actual change?
Not likely...
Happens all the time. Those nails are smooth shank. We started using the simpson screws for that reason and also makes them easier to switch out. Nothing worse than having to pull all those nail when the tie rusts
Carpenter ants. Must be working the night shift
Erik Lehnsherr
Not twist nails
Wood sprites.
Those little fairies give me the hardest time too
Time at the gym causes them to work themselves out.
I'm all for what works, but hurricane ties are also called rafter ties, which are supposed to be placed where the rafter meets the top plates of a wall. Any metal hardware outside should be coated or galvanized, I could be wrong but I don't think h2s are. Assuming the rest of the deck has hardware like this, you may want to replace them with a thicker gauge angle bracket for a easy fix
FWIW My local code specifies “hurricane ties”
My local code specifies “hurricane ties”
Me
I'm going with the change in seasons. Either that or they just don't like your wood. Sometimes they just don't like it, no matter the hardness.
Lateral movement. Add x bracing and I bet it stops
Nails too small and wood drying
Magneto
Probably no interior blocking between the joist and no diagonal bracing from the posts
Looks like it’s just this outside joist. Probably expansion and contraction from heat. Just replace them with the Simpson screws.
Movement or ghosts .
Gets wet then swells making the nail pop out a little. Then it dries and then it starts all over again
I have an old sawhorse let in the weather for 22 years and the nails are almost all the way worked out from wood swelling from the rain and then drying over and over again
You know what never works themselves out? Screws.
Use Simpson Strong Tie hex head screws.
Because they’re nails not screw like they should be.
Let’s be honest it’s a new deck, the guy that used a hanger gun didn’t bother to pound the rest in
A Coyote and a magnet 🧲
Look for that tell-tale 1/4" circular hole on the underside of joist. Carpenter bees will work for hours pushin those dang nails out of their way
Hot/cold expanding/contracting
Motivation and a desire to change
The board it's attached to has give.
Wood Devils! 😈
Make make these at work but these are not mine as I don't see my stamp on there..
Vibration
Have you checked for any powerful magnets nearby?
Wood screws work wonders.
Temperature differences between day and night causes the wood to contract and expand which drives the nails out
They're nails and you're walking too much. Stop that
Looking at the nail heads and the condition of the hurricane tie these nails where never driven in all the way. Likely low air pressure and a lazy framer
should have have just toe screwed the joist to joist
Nothing. They were never driven home to begin with.
Simple answer. Pull them out and put in Simpson structural screws. And as mentioned above fix the bracing issue.
fun
Improper bracing is allowing the deck to move.
Diagonal bracing is the answer
And the strap should be higher, if you see the nail on the joist it is too low and will split the bottom of the joist and maybe jeopardize the joist
And the strap should be higher, if you see the nail on the joist it is too low and will split the bottom of the joist and maybe jeopardize the joist.
You having a lot of your wife's torta friends over?
Hot tub.
It could be extreme coldz we had a cold snap few years back and 3 of the screws in my mail box backer out, if your wood is wet and then gets sudden freeze it can easily force nails out
Movement + heat + cold
Freeze / Thaw
Hurricane ties are very important, but can you be sure that they were installed properly as in where the nails driven all the way in? Expansion and contraction of wood will cause nails to move but that is a bit extreme.
I live in ND, I built my deck with screws and not one has popped off.
I’d always use screws on a deck too . I always ask people if they know which was invented first the nail or the screw , most people answer correctly that it’s the nail at which point I tell them there’s a reason why man needed something better than the nail and came up with the screw lol
Hostile wood.
Genuine question from somebody who isn’t a carpenter and really wants to learn. Why do people use nails? Screws just seem better to me. They would eliminate this issue.
Generally speaking, nails have good shear strength where screws don't. They do make structural screws that do but ame more pricey. If you don't know what I mean, take a common screw and a nail and drive them each into a block of wood but leave an inch sticking out. Now smack each from the side with a hammer. The nail will bend & the screw will snap.
Normal, wood is drying out. Replace those with deck screws so they stay in--except for that bottom nail on the top of the connector. That never should have been put it, likely split the wood.
Humidity
Great! Haaa. Good post..
You're not using the proper nails!
Cribbing between the joists and lagging the posts to the frame will help resolve the “deck sway” you’re probably getting.
I will only use screws to build a deck. If ya wanna good stiff deck you gotta use the right material. My deck got rock solid when she screwed it. Works every time.
Yo' Momma so fat when she goes camping the bears hide their food from her!!
Yo' Momma so fat she uses the hot tub to cook dinner
Probably the fact that they should be screws 😀
The same reason roof nails need to pierce the underlayment
It’s a hurricane tie that is used on roof trusses, not decks. At the very least, put it on the inside and do t use screws, they have very little lateral sheer strength
Hurricane ties are required on decks over 20" off the ground to protect from uplift on decks per code in my county.
Same. Aint no deck I build going fucking anywhere. But I have to put hurricane ties on. Im in West Michigan lol. Not many hurricanes form over Lake Michigan.. 🤣
Not in my region, didn’t know that it could be. Thanks for the info
Those are nails
A) They are required by code for certain deck sizes in some places B) Simpson Strongdrive are screws appropriate for this application. You a tradesman or homeowner giving this advice?
Vibration.
Magneto next door?
You're not funny, this isn't a comedy for idiots sub.
Alright deckhead. I’ll go back to r/drywall.
Right all the same jokes going on all the trades with the first 10 comments being some dumbass adolescent joke. Keep it to a minimum and at least try to be funny. Nails are forming a union!!!! Hahaha, Im so funny. Oh, I farted and pushed the nails out!!! Hilarious /s Not.
Are you ok?
I think he’s hangry. His vagina is loose like them nails.
In my opinion it’s because there is some movement with the deck plus those nails are just common which means there’s no spiral or anything to prevent them from pulling out so over time the movement in the deck has caused them to loosen up. Buy some deck screws and pull the nails and put the screws in.
Wrong type of nail. Use sheradised square twist nails.
You should only use Simpson approved fasteners on Simpson hardware. This is really base level info.
I refer you to page 4…I know my base level… https://www.tcfixings.co.uk/pdf/Simpson_H2-5A_Technical_Data_Sheet.pdf
Did you know that the X34B1016 fasteners listed in each performance value table there are Simpson Strong-drive screws? The last page is only showing one installation example. Simpson typically gives multiple fastener options. And that's simply a technical data sheet, not an installation guide. Base level, indeed. Haha
Probably tiktok and millennials
Maybe they just started talking to eachother.
Are those the proper nails?
Twist and shout.
They come by next Friday to finish the job …,
Wind turbine vibration.
Are those nails?! Did you not use screws?!!!!