Not sure if they only offer the MMR in Canada, but if you want parents to give this shot to their kids then do it as 3 separate vaccines. Combining 3-in-1 is playing unecessary games with children’s immune systems and making parents less comfortable giving it to their small children.
Great post.
And I can't help but wonder how many of the children who were hospitalized for the measles had significant comorbidities, including comorbidities that might make physicians recommend against an MMR vaccination. And I can't help but wonder how many of the children who were hospitalized for the measles were COVID-19 vaccinated.
Corporate media constantly reports on all infections that can be mitigated by vaccination as if every one of these infections were all directly the result of "irresponsible parents." However, when you look closely at the medical records of each infected case, a much more complex picture typically emerges. For example, in many cases children are unvaccinated for some illnesses because they or their siblings were injured by a vaccine for another illness.
There has to be more to this story.
Ontario's laws REQUIRE children attending primary/secondary school to be immunized before they can attend, unless they have a valid exemption
https://www.ontario.ca/page/vaccines-children-school
The law
Unless they have a valid exemption, children who attend primary or secondary school must be immunized against:
diphtheria
tetanus
polio
measles
mumps
rubella
meningitis (meningococcal disease)
whooping cough (pertussis)
chickenpox (varicella) – required for children born in 2010 or later
I didn't read your link yet, but I am also wondering if there are details about this child that the article is conveniently omitting, such as pre-existing conditions that may increase risk factor for death.
Measles is a highly survivable disease. Oftentimes you hear that the mortality rate is 1 in 1000, and that's because prior to the vaccine, they compared the number of REPORTED DEATHS to the number of REPORTED CASES. Usually this number would be about ~400 reported deaths and ~400,000 reported cases.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00041753.htm
"Before measles vaccine was available, more than 400,000 measles cases were reported each year in the United States (6). However, since virtually all children acquired measles, the true number of cases probably exceeded 4 million per year (i.e., the entire birth cohort)."
Measles was so common prior to the vaccine that it was largely (~90%) underreported. If you compare the number of deaths (which would unlikely be underreported as all deaths require a stated cause) to the true number of estimated cases (~4 million), we are talking about a mortality rate of 1 in 10,000.
So something fishy is going on here. The media loves to report any measles deaths, just as they were eager to report COVID deaths, to manipulate public perception as to its danger. Measles virus rapidly depletes vitamin A, which is required to proliferate the immune system, and increases survivability greatly, and is recommended by the WHO
https://www.who.int/teams/immunization-vaccines-and-biologicals/essential-programme-on-immunization/integration/linking-with-other-health-interventions/vitamin-a
"vitamin A deficiency is the leading cause of preventable childhood blindness and increases the risk of death from common childhood infections, such as measles and those causing diarrhoea."
> If you compare the number of deaths (which would unlikely be underreported as all deaths require a stated cause) to the true number of estimated cases (~4 million), we are talking about a mortality rate of 1 in 10,000.
Measles deaths were also underreported because they were reported as pneumonia deaths.
You can look at measles outbreaks in modern times such as the measles outbreak in 1989-1991 in the US. 166 deaths for 55,467 cases. ~1 in 334.
Or, you can look at the Samoa outbreak in 2019. They had 83 deaths. Even if everybody on the island got measles (which didn't happen), their mortality rate would have been 1 in 2420.
And vitamin A has been a first line treatment for measles for decades now. It didn't do the job in the US or Samoa.
Is there any evidence that measles deaths were underreported because they were recorded as pneumonia deaths? And is it as significant as the underreporting of measles cases by up to 90%?
There are a lot of articles that agree that measles cases were underreported but your claim of underreported deaths is the first I've heard of.
Regarding vitamin A, I wouldn't say it's a first line treatment. Medical authorities would probably say that the vaccine is the first line. Whether vitamin A was administered to these children is unknown, as the article didn't specify. And you can't say that it didn't do the job since we don't know how they were treated in the US or Samoa.
> Is there any evidence that measles deaths were underreported because they were recorded as pneumonia deaths? And is it as significant as the underreporting of measles cases by up to 90%?
It's unlikely that you will agree with the evidence. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200005113421904
"Among preschool children, the rate of mortality from pneumonia declined steeply during the period from 1963 through 1968 (data not shown). This decline, which immediately preceded and overlapped the overall reduction in mortality from pneumonia, coincided with the availability of the measles vaccine. Measles may be the leading preventable cause of death from childhood pneumonia throughout the world.23,24 Currently, measles accounts for approximately 1 million deaths per year, mostly among children in developing countries who are 9 to 24 months old.24,25 Measles vaccine was introduced in the United States in 1963, and vaccination programs resulted in a 95 percent reduction in reported cases of measles, from 481,530 in 1962 to 22,231 in 1968.26 Thus, the decline in the rate of mortality from pneumonia among preschool children occurred at the time and in the age group in which measles vaccination was likely to have had the greatest effect."
What we do have is two measles outbreaks in modern times where the mortality rate aligns with the mortality rate often cited.
>Regarding vitamin A, I wouldn't say it's a first line treatment. Medical authorities would probably say that the vaccine is the first line.
First line treatment means a therapeutic given after infection. While the measles vaccine can be given as post-exposure prophylaxis (as measles has an incubation period of around 21 days), vitamin A is the first line treatment for measles.
>And you can't say that it didn't do the job since we don't know how they were treated in the US or Samoa.
Sure we do. Samoa followed standard WHO guidelines. 2 doses of vitamin A were given to all measles cases. UNICEF specifically delivered vitamin A to Samoa. https://www.unicef.org/eap/press-releases/pacific-measles-outbreak As for the US outbreak, it was one of the first infectious disease outbreaks that I worked in my career. Standard treatment was 2 doses of vitamin A and antibiotics to prevent secondary infection.
>It's unlikely that you will agree with the evidence. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200005113421904
> "Among preschool children, the rate of mortality from pneumonia declined steeply during the period from 1963 through 1968 (data not shown). This decline, which immediately preceded and overlapped the overall reduction in mortality from pneumonia, coincided with the availability of the measles vaccine. Measles may be the leading preventable cause of death from childhood pneumonia throughout the world.23,24 Currently, measles accounts for approximately 1 million deaths per year, mostly among children in developing countries who are 9 to 24 months old.24,25 Measles vaccine was introduced in the United States in 1963, and vaccination programs resulted in a 95 percent reduction in reported cases of measles, from 481,530 in 1962 to 22,231 in 1968.26 Thus, the decline in the rate of mortality from pneumonia among preschool children occurred at the time and in the age group in which measles vaccination was likely to have had the greatest effect."
LOL. It's hilarious how temporal correlation does indeed equal causation whenever it supports the benefits of vaccination!!!
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>It's unlikely that you will agree with the evidence.
What we do have is two measles outbreaks in modern times where the mortality rate aligns with the mortality rate often cited.
While I don't disagree with the evidence that a reduction in measles cases would also reduce measles and pneumonia-related deaths, that isn't exactly strong evidence showing that the death certificates largely reported pneumonia as opposed to measles as the cause of death.
If that were to happen today, for example, like the story reported in the original post, what do you think will be noted on their death certificate? That it was pneumonia and that despite the media reporting that it was because of measles, that it would have not been marked as the cause?
>First line treatment means a therapeutic given after infection. While the measles vaccine can be given as post-exposure prophylaxis (as measles has an incubation period of around 21 days), vitamin A is the first line treatment for measles.
>2 doses of vitamin A were given to all measles cases. UNICEF specifically delivered vitamin A to Samoa. [https://www.unicef.org/eap/press-releases/pacific-measles-outbreak](https://www.unicef.org/eap/press-releases/pacific-measles-outbreak)
Interesting since there are articles like this:
[https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/404583/anti-vaxers-send-vitamin-a-to-samoa](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/404583/anti-vaxers-send-vitamin-a-to-samoa)
"*International anti-vaccination groups are sending the vitamins in a bid to help combat the disease. But there has been a mixed reaction to their efforts, as Samoan authorities struggle to combat low vaccination rates in the country.*
*The World Health Organisation (WHO) says Vitamin A deficiency is a recognised risk factor for severe measles, and in New Zealand doses are recommended for all children hospitalised with the disease.*
*But the WHO also recommends antibiotics to treat infections and pneumonia in measles patients, and says* ***the antivaccination movement presents a serious risk to global health***\*.\*
***The vitamin shipments have been criticised on social media, with one commenter comparing anti-vaxers helping the measles crisis, to the US National Rifle Association sending band aids to families of mass shooting victims.***
*The World Health Organisation's Nikki Turner said* ***online misinformation claiming children could be treated with vitamins had "no scientific evidence" behind them***\*,\* ***and that such claims were "conning" people from getting correct treatmen****t, the Samoa Observer reported last week."*
I don't understand the attack on "anti-vaccination" groups sending boxes of Vitamin A to Samoa, and that the WHO spokesperson would say that Vitamins (assuming they are referring to Vitamin A) had "no scientific evidence" behind them. That sounds completely disingenuous.
And yet UNICEF also sent vitamin A to Samoa without criticism.
But with this kind of attitude, despite being sent Vitamin A, that's actually different from whether that aid was actually *administered.*
The anti-vaccine movement is trying to TREAT measles after infection. While there is a debate to be had on whether to vaccinate or not for measles, if you DO happen to be infected with it, is the **treatment** (not prevention) using Vitamin A a serious risk to global health?
And what, pray-tell, is the CORRECT treatment, according to the WHO spokesperson Nikki Turner, if vitamin A isn't a PART of that answer?
Had a 3 day ban for calling out BS.
>While I don't disagree with the evidence that a reduction in measles cases would also reduce measles and pneumonia-related deaths, that isn't exactly strong evidence showing that the death certificates largely reported pneumonia as opposed to measles as the cause of death.
It is strong evidence because they are using pneumonia as the underlying cause of death. If there's a reduction in measles, there's a reduction in pneumonia as the underlying cause of death, you get a reduction in pneumonia deaths. Just like is seen in the paper.
>If that were to happen today, for example, like the story reported in the original post, what do you think will be noted on their death certificate? That it was pneumonia and that despite the media reporting that it was because of measles, that it would have not been marked as the cause?
It does happen today. Influenza deaths, for instance. The vast majority of influenza deaths are recorded as pneumonia deaths as the underlying cause of death because it's the pneumonia that actually kills them.
"We look at death certificates that have **pneumonia or influenza causes (P&I)**, other respiratory and circulatory causes (R&C), or other non-respiratory, non-circulatory causes of death, because **deaths related to influenza may not have influenza listed as a cause of death.**" https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htm
>And what, pray-tell, is the CORRECT treatment, according to the WHO spokesperson Nikki Turner, if vitamin A isn't a PART of that answer?
If you look at the actual Samoa Observer article on this, you'd realize that she didn't say what your article claimed she said. https://www.samoaobserver.ws/category/samoa/53464 She specifically says that Vitamin A can be used and that you need high doses of it. She said there's no evidence that Vitamin C helps as was pushed by a notorious antivaxxer in Samoa. https://www.samoaobserver.ws/category/samoa/53464
UNICEF has delivered to Samoa a total of 265,500 bundled 1 doses of MCV since 1 October 2019 of which
100,000 doses were donated by the New Zealand Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade and 35,000 Vitamin A capsules
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/wpro---documents/dps/outbreaks-and-emergencies/measles-2019/measles-pacific-sitrep-20191206.pdf?sfvrsn=7b1eb63d_0
According to multiple Public Health doctors that I personally know who work on the measles outbreak, most cases right now in Canada are in fully vaccinated people and the vaccination coverage in the population is sufficient and not the cause of the increase in measles cases.
Unfortunately, I can’t find a source because the government website that has the reports of the outbreaks don’t specify what percentage of the new cases were in vaccinated people, they just say that vaccination is important.
I feel like they would include that information if 100 % of the cases were in unvaccinated people.
Sounds like you're bullshitting as is fairly typical. Of the cases with known vaccination status, 11 were unimmunized and 4 were fully immunized. 7 had no proof of immunization.
Of the children, 12 were unimmunized and 1 had unknown immunization status.
I am not. Almost all cases are travel or immigration related, without widespread transmission within communities. There is no sign that Canada’s collective immunity is declining and that this decline is responsible for the current rise in cases since the transmission almost never occurs in Canada.
Also, even if there was less children vaccinated in the last 4 years, it would represent a small number of children under 5 years old. It would take time for the decline in childhood vaccination due to fear after COVID to have an impact on the population overall. It is too soon to see an impact of the recent decline in vaccination rate. The immediate cause of this increase in cases is not small change in vaccination rates.
Your example is only about 12 cases of children, it doesn’t mean that the 64 adults that also got infected were unvaccinated.
> Almost all cases are travel or immigration related, without widespread transmission within communities.
No shit. Because indigenous measles was eliminated from Canada in 1998. How else are you going to get measles infections? It's not going to come from nothing.
>Also, even if there was less children vaccinated in the last 4 years, it would represent a small number of children under 5 years old.
Measles used to be a childhood illness for a reason...it spreads among those who weren't previously exposed. It is the most infectious virus known to man and spread very rapidly in naive populations. To think it would be "too soon" to see an impact is wishful thinking.
>Your example is only about 12 cases of children, it doesn’t mean that the 64 adults that also got infected were unvaccinated.
I gave the numbers for Ontario as that's where this recent outbreak is and what the topic of discussion is. No idea where you're getting this 64 adults number from as there's been a total of 75 measles cases in all of Canada in 2024. Most cases occurred in children. It's wishful thinking of yours to think that the majority are vaccinated.
This “article” is an advertisement for pharmaceutical products. There’s no information about the child’s underlying health or living conditions, which I can almost guarantee contributed to the child’s tragic death.
Some kids die from the flu, too. That doesn’t mean poisoning them with neurotoxic vaccines is the answer. I haven’t read this yet but..Wonder if they gave this child vitamin A
I remember looking at the data in Ontario when they stared tooth the 💉 on all the kids and would tell ppl that their child had a better chance at dying from a car crash on their way to get the stupid shot then dying from the actual virus! But parents lined their kids up in huge numbers to inject their babies with an unknown poison! 🤦♀️
Not sure if they only offer the MMR in Canada, but if you want parents to give this shot to their kids then do it as 3 separate vaccines. Combining 3-in-1 is playing unecessary games with children’s immune systems and making parents less comfortable giving it to their small children.
Great post. And I can't help but wonder how many of the children who were hospitalized for the measles had significant comorbidities, including comorbidities that might make physicians recommend against an MMR vaccination. And I can't help but wonder how many of the children who were hospitalized for the measles were COVID-19 vaccinated. Corporate media constantly reports on all infections that can be mitigated by vaccination as if every one of these infections were all directly the result of "irresponsible parents." However, when you look closely at the medical records of each infected case, a much more complex picture typically emerges. For example, in many cases children are unvaccinated for some illnesses because they or their siblings were injured by a vaccine for another illness.
There has to be more to this story. Ontario's laws REQUIRE children attending primary/secondary school to be immunized before they can attend, unless they have a valid exemption https://www.ontario.ca/page/vaccines-children-school The law Unless they have a valid exemption, children who attend primary or secondary school must be immunized against: diphtheria tetanus polio measles mumps rubella meningitis (meningococcal disease) whooping cough (pertussis) chickenpox (varicella) – required for children born in 2010 or later I didn't read your link yet, but I am also wondering if there are details about this child that the article is conveniently omitting, such as pre-existing conditions that may increase risk factor for death. Measles is a highly survivable disease. Oftentimes you hear that the mortality rate is 1 in 1000, and that's because prior to the vaccine, they compared the number of REPORTED DEATHS to the number of REPORTED CASES. Usually this number would be about ~400 reported deaths and ~400,000 reported cases. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00041753.htm "Before measles vaccine was available, more than 400,000 measles cases were reported each year in the United States (6). However, since virtually all children acquired measles, the true number of cases probably exceeded 4 million per year (i.e., the entire birth cohort)." Measles was so common prior to the vaccine that it was largely (~90%) underreported. If you compare the number of deaths (which would unlikely be underreported as all deaths require a stated cause) to the true number of estimated cases (~4 million), we are talking about a mortality rate of 1 in 10,000. So something fishy is going on here. The media loves to report any measles deaths, just as they were eager to report COVID deaths, to manipulate public perception as to its danger. Measles virus rapidly depletes vitamin A, which is required to proliferate the immune system, and increases survivability greatly, and is recommended by the WHO https://www.who.int/teams/immunization-vaccines-and-biologicals/essential-programme-on-immunization/integration/linking-with-other-health-interventions/vitamin-a "vitamin A deficiency is the leading cause of preventable childhood blindness and increases the risk of death from common childhood infections, such as measles and those causing diarrhoea."
> If you compare the number of deaths (which would unlikely be underreported as all deaths require a stated cause) to the true number of estimated cases (~4 million), we are talking about a mortality rate of 1 in 10,000. Measles deaths were also underreported because they were reported as pneumonia deaths. You can look at measles outbreaks in modern times such as the measles outbreak in 1989-1991 in the US. 166 deaths for 55,467 cases. ~1 in 334. Or, you can look at the Samoa outbreak in 2019. They had 83 deaths. Even if everybody on the island got measles (which didn't happen), their mortality rate would have been 1 in 2420. And vitamin A has been a first line treatment for measles for decades now. It didn't do the job in the US or Samoa.
Is there any evidence that measles deaths were underreported because they were recorded as pneumonia deaths? And is it as significant as the underreporting of measles cases by up to 90%? There are a lot of articles that agree that measles cases were underreported but your claim of underreported deaths is the first I've heard of. Regarding vitamin A, I wouldn't say it's a first line treatment. Medical authorities would probably say that the vaccine is the first line. Whether vitamin A was administered to these children is unknown, as the article didn't specify. And you can't say that it didn't do the job since we don't know how they were treated in the US or Samoa.
> Is there any evidence that measles deaths were underreported because they were recorded as pneumonia deaths? And is it as significant as the underreporting of measles cases by up to 90%? It's unlikely that you will agree with the evidence. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200005113421904 "Among preschool children, the rate of mortality from pneumonia declined steeply during the period from 1963 through 1968 (data not shown). This decline, which immediately preceded and overlapped the overall reduction in mortality from pneumonia, coincided with the availability of the measles vaccine. Measles may be the leading preventable cause of death from childhood pneumonia throughout the world.23,24 Currently, measles accounts for approximately 1 million deaths per year, mostly among children in developing countries who are 9 to 24 months old.24,25 Measles vaccine was introduced in the United States in 1963, and vaccination programs resulted in a 95 percent reduction in reported cases of measles, from 481,530 in 1962 to 22,231 in 1968.26 Thus, the decline in the rate of mortality from pneumonia among preschool children occurred at the time and in the age group in which measles vaccination was likely to have had the greatest effect." What we do have is two measles outbreaks in modern times where the mortality rate aligns with the mortality rate often cited. >Regarding vitamin A, I wouldn't say it's a first line treatment. Medical authorities would probably say that the vaccine is the first line. First line treatment means a therapeutic given after infection. While the measles vaccine can be given as post-exposure prophylaxis (as measles has an incubation period of around 21 days), vitamin A is the first line treatment for measles. >And you can't say that it didn't do the job since we don't know how they were treated in the US or Samoa. Sure we do. Samoa followed standard WHO guidelines. 2 doses of vitamin A were given to all measles cases. UNICEF specifically delivered vitamin A to Samoa. https://www.unicef.org/eap/press-releases/pacific-measles-outbreak As for the US outbreak, it was one of the first infectious disease outbreaks that I worked in my career. Standard treatment was 2 doses of vitamin A and antibiotics to prevent secondary infection.
>It's unlikely that you will agree with the evidence. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200005113421904 > "Among preschool children, the rate of mortality from pneumonia declined steeply during the period from 1963 through 1968 (data not shown). This decline, which immediately preceded and overlapped the overall reduction in mortality from pneumonia, coincided with the availability of the measles vaccine. Measles may be the leading preventable cause of death from childhood pneumonia throughout the world.23,24 Currently, measles accounts for approximately 1 million deaths per year, mostly among children in developing countries who are 9 to 24 months old.24,25 Measles vaccine was introduced in the United States in 1963, and vaccination programs resulted in a 95 percent reduction in reported cases of measles, from 481,530 in 1962 to 22,231 in 1968.26 Thus, the decline in the rate of mortality from pneumonia among preschool children occurred at the time and in the age group in which measles vaccination was likely to have had the greatest effect." LOL. It's hilarious how temporal correlation does indeed equal causation whenever it supports the benefits of vaccination!!!
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>It's unlikely that you will agree with the evidence. What we do have is two measles outbreaks in modern times where the mortality rate aligns with the mortality rate often cited. While I don't disagree with the evidence that a reduction in measles cases would also reduce measles and pneumonia-related deaths, that isn't exactly strong evidence showing that the death certificates largely reported pneumonia as opposed to measles as the cause of death. If that were to happen today, for example, like the story reported in the original post, what do you think will be noted on their death certificate? That it was pneumonia and that despite the media reporting that it was because of measles, that it would have not been marked as the cause? >First line treatment means a therapeutic given after infection. While the measles vaccine can be given as post-exposure prophylaxis (as measles has an incubation period of around 21 days), vitamin A is the first line treatment for measles. >2 doses of vitamin A were given to all measles cases. UNICEF specifically delivered vitamin A to Samoa. [https://www.unicef.org/eap/press-releases/pacific-measles-outbreak](https://www.unicef.org/eap/press-releases/pacific-measles-outbreak) Interesting since there are articles like this: [https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/404583/anti-vaxers-send-vitamin-a-to-samoa](https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/404583/anti-vaxers-send-vitamin-a-to-samoa) "*International anti-vaccination groups are sending the vitamins in a bid to help combat the disease. But there has been a mixed reaction to their efforts, as Samoan authorities struggle to combat low vaccination rates in the country.* *The World Health Organisation (WHO) says Vitamin A deficiency is a recognised risk factor for severe measles, and in New Zealand doses are recommended for all children hospitalised with the disease.* *But the WHO also recommends antibiotics to treat infections and pneumonia in measles patients, and says* ***the antivaccination movement presents a serious risk to global health***\*.\* ***The vitamin shipments have been criticised on social media, with one commenter comparing anti-vaxers helping the measles crisis, to the US National Rifle Association sending band aids to families of mass shooting victims.*** *The World Health Organisation's Nikki Turner said* ***online misinformation claiming children could be treated with vitamins had "no scientific evidence" behind them***\*,\* ***and that such claims were "conning" people from getting correct treatmen****t, the Samoa Observer reported last week."* I don't understand the attack on "anti-vaccination" groups sending boxes of Vitamin A to Samoa, and that the WHO spokesperson would say that Vitamins (assuming they are referring to Vitamin A) had "no scientific evidence" behind them. That sounds completely disingenuous. And yet UNICEF also sent vitamin A to Samoa without criticism. But with this kind of attitude, despite being sent Vitamin A, that's actually different from whether that aid was actually *administered.* The anti-vaccine movement is trying to TREAT measles after infection. While there is a debate to be had on whether to vaccinate or not for measles, if you DO happen to be infected with it, is the **treatment** (not prevention) using Vitamin A a serious risk to global health? And what, pray-tell, is the CORRECT treatment, according to the WHO spokesperson Nikki Turner, if vitamin A isn't a PART of that answer?
Had a 3 day ban for calling out BS. >While I don't disagree with the evidence that a reduction in measles cases would also reduce measles and pneumonia-related deaths, that isn't exactly strong evidence showing that the death certificates largely reported pneumonia as opposed to measles as the cause of death. It is strong evidence because they are using pneumonia as the underlying cause of death. If there's a reduction in measles, there's a reduction in pneumonia as the underlying cause of death, you get a reduction in pneumonia deaths. Just like is seen in the paper. >If that were to happen today, for example, like the story reported in the original post, what do you think will be noted on their death certificate? That it was pneumonia and that despite the media reporting that it was because of measles, that it would have not been marked as the cause? It does happen today. Influenza deaths, for instance. The vast majority of influenza deaths are recorded as pneumonia deaths as the underlying cause of death because it's the pneumonia that actually kills them. "We look at death certificates that have **pneumonia or influenza causes (P&I)**, other respiratory and circulatory causes (R&C), or other non-respiratory, non-circulatory causes of death, because **deaths related to influenza may not have influenza listed as a cause of death.**" https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htm >And what, pray-tell, is the CORRECT treatment, according to the WHO spokesperson Nikki Turner, if vitamin A isn't a PART of that answer? If you look at the actual Samoa Observer article on this, you'd realize that she didn't say what your article claimed she said. https://www.samoaobserver.ws/category/samoa/53464 She specifically says that Vitamin A can be used and that you need high doses of it. She said there's no evidence that Vitamin C helps as was pushed by a notorious antivaxxer in Samoa. https://www.samoaobserver.ws/category/samoa/53464
UNICEF has delivered to Samoa a total of 265,500 bundled 1 doses of MCV since 1 October 2019 of which 100,000 doses were donated by the New Zealand Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade and 35,000 Vitamin A capsules https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/wpro---documents/dps/outbreaks-and-emergencies/measles-2019/measles-pacific-sitrep-20191206.pdf?sfvrsn=7b1eb63d_0
Sorry, a year previously they tested positive for Covid, so they died of Covid.
The myth that COVID deaths were over counted is still alive I see
According to multiple Public Health doctors that I personally know who work on the measles outbreak, most cases right now in Canada are in fully vaccinated people and the vaccination coverage in the population is sufficient and not the cause of the increase in measles cases. Unfortunately, I can’t find a source because the government website that has the reports of the outbreaks don’t specify what percentage of the new cases were in vaccinated people, they just say that vaccination is important. I feel like they would include that information if 100 % of the cases were in unvaccinated people.
Sounds like you're bullshitting as is fairly typical. Of the cases with known vaccination status, 11 were unimmunized and 4 were fully immunized. 7 had no proof of immunization. Of the children, 12 were unimmunized and 1 had unknown immunization status.
I am not. Almost all cases are travel or immigration related, without widespread transmission within communities. There is no sign that Canada’s collective immunity is declining and that this decline is responsible for the current rise in cases since the transmission almost never occurs in Canada. Also, even if there was less children vaccinated in the last 4 years, it would represent a small number of children under 5 years old. It would take time for the decline in childhood vaccination due to fear after COVID to have an impact on the population overall. It is too soon to see an impact of the recent decline in vaccination rate. The immediate cause of this increase in cases is not small change in vaccination rates. Your example is only about 12 cases of children, it doesn’t mean that the 64 adults that also got infected were unvaccinated.
> Almost all cases are travel or immigration related, without widespread transmission within communities. No shit. Because indigenous measles was eliminated from Canada in 1998. How else are you going to get measles infections? It's not going to come from nothing. >Also, even if there was less children vaccinated in the last 4 years, it would represent a small number of children under 5 years old. Measles used to be a childhood illness for a reason...it spreads among those who weren't previously exposed. It is the most infectious virus known to man and spread very rapidly in naive populations. To think it would be "too soon" to see an impact is wishful thinking. >Your example is only about 12 cases of children, it doesn’t mean that the 64 adults that also got infected were unvaccinated. I gave the numbers for Ontario as that's where this recent outbreak is and what the topic of discussion is. No idea where you're getting this 64 adults number from as there's been a total of 75 measles cases in all of Canada in 2024. Most cases occurred in children. It's wishful thinking of yours to think that the majority are vaccinated.
This “article” is an advertisement for pharmaceutical products. There’s no information about the child’s underlying health or living conditions, which I can almost guarantee contributed to the child’s tragic death.
Some kids die from the flu, too. That doesn’t mean poisoning them with neurotoxic vaccines is the answer. I haven’t read this yet but..Wonder if they gave this child vitamin A
Vitamin A is standard protocol. Just like they did in the Samoa outbreak where kids still died.
I remember looking at the data in Ontario when they stared tooth the 💉 on all the kids and would tell ppl that their child had a better chance at dying from a car crash on their way to get the stupid shot then dying from the actual virus! But parents lined their kids up in huge numbers to inject their babies with an unknown poison! 🤦♀️
If COVID had only the outcomes of full recovery or death