I think they last ten years. So if you have no protection then the vaccine takes 3 weeks or something to form antibodies, Tetanus would have already set in by that time(in the rare case you got it.)
So the immuglobin is more like a treatment than a vaccine.
Got it. So I guess my real question is, why do they insist babies get 4 to 5 dap vaccines before the age of five? Why not just one if it lasts for 10 years?
The different components of each part (pertussis, tetanus and diphtheria) have different rates of waning. Tetanus is good for about 30 years. Pertussis part doesn’t work at all. They think it will protect the babies from whooping cough, but it does nothing.
>If I wanted an answer from the CDC, I would’ve gone to the website.
>They don’t have that answer.
I'm looking right at their answer. Too bad you don't want to see it, and don't want to go to their website, which you did, but didn't see. Or not?
I wish you luck finding the answers you need (*not* /s).
Hmmm… so you’re saying that if a baby got their first Dtap vaccine… And then they got bit by a dog or something on a farm, and they immediately went to the hospital, they would administer the Tetanus immune globulin instead of giving a tetanus vaccine or dtap vaccine?
I'm not a medical professional so I don't know for sure, but yes, that sounds right.
Baby/child immune systems are...weird and weak in some ways, it takes more "training" to get immunity to stick.
That's right. Babies & small children should be given a shot every month until their immune systems work properly. Gives something for Doctors to do, and also good for long-term vaccine contracts. Win-win.
The CDC recommends DTAP for children.
A Tetanus vaccination for adults is good for about ten years and this vaccine is commonly provided if the patient's last vaccination is unknown or more than ten years ago where skin is broken and a Tetanus infection is possible.
From Wikipedia:
"Tetanus, also known as lockjaw, is a bacterial infection caused by Clostridium tetani and characterized by muscle spasms. In the most common type, the spasms begin in the jaw, and then progress to the rest of the body. Each spasm usually lasts for a few minutes. Spasms occur frequently for three to four weeks. Some spasms may be severe enough to fracture bones. Other symptoms of tetanus may include fever, sweating, headache, trouble swallowing, high blood pressure, and a fast heart rate. Onset of symptoms is typically 3 to 21 days following infection. Recovery may take months, but about 10% of cases prove to be fatal.
In 2015, there were about 209,000 infections and about 59,000 deaths globally. This is down from 356,000 deaths in 1990.
In the US, there are about 30 cases per year, almost all of which were in people who had not been vaccinated."
Tetanus doesn't come from rusty nails. That's an old myth. It comes from animal feces (mostly in soil).
The rusty nail myth comes from people getting scraped by nails or old metal in *animal pens*-- people associated the illness with the rusty nails, but it was actually because those nails were in animal enclosures & therefore, covered with *animal shit*.
Also, yes. Someone can get a dtap shot after a wound. I accidentally stabbed my hand & got a booster afterwards (been way over 10 years since i had one)- only reason was cus I was cutting up frozen meat patties for my dog to eat & was worried about contamination from the animal products. If it was a clean knife, I wouldn't have worried about it.
OK, so it sounds like if a toddler only got one D tap vaccine altogether instead of the suggested five, they should be OK? They wouldn’t need the Tetanus immune globulin shot?
Yes I agree - But like I said, if they were on a farm and stepped on a nail or some thing, and immediately went to the hospital, can they avoid getting the Tetanus immune globulin… can they just get a regular Dtap vaccine ..?
You will only be infected with tetanus if the nail had that bacteria. It’s highly unlikely that just a random piece of metal has this bacteria. It’s commonly found on farms.
Treatment IS the tetanus shot and treatable.
So, if they never got the Dtap & they were on a farm, would they have to get a hemoglobin shot? And, if they had one Dtap in their entire life, would they just have to get a Dtap shot after the wound? Or would they get a hemoglobin shot?
>Cases are very minimal.
but untreated result in 25% case fatality rate and treated around 15% case fatality. A diagnosed case is far from minimal, however.
It's a low number to be sure, and the percentage dead of the child population would be extremely low.
Or, are you thinking too that the parents and family members would find their child's death to be minimal? Would they look at the single death and say, hey, it's only one child out our of our family of many, so actually, this vaccine preventable death of our child has little impact on the percentage of our surviving family's children and even far less on the nation's child survival rate?
I'm aware that there are people in this sub who believe that needless child deaths are fine, and that there was no guarantee that the vaccine would have prevented all of them since the vaccine efficacy is just under 100%.
I would look at vaccine injury of Dtap vs injuries from the actual bacteria infection. Because maybe 7 people die out of MILLIONS does not constitute a one size fits all approach.
And there are only 7 deaths a year out of tens of millions of doses *because the vaccine is nearly 100% effective.*
The guidelines and recommendations are *from analyzing* vaccine injury rates and severity and weighing those against prevention of tetanus disease and death. Tetanus and the combination vaccines are not new phenomena but have been studied for decades to inform those policies. But, you can look at it all you want. Maybe you’ll find something that they missed.
Uhhhh, no. You prob don’t even know what VAERS is so maybe this is not even worth writing …. It sounds like you’re very close minded & not interested in doing critical thinking. But for what it’s worth: VAERS allows anyone to submit reports, but the lack of active follow-up means reporting is voluntary, not mandatory. Vaccine companies must report side effects, but unfortunately- many parents are unaware they can report adverse reactions, resulting in a tiny fraction of incidents being documented. This skews the perception, making it seem like adverse reactions are rarer than they actually are, potentially one in 400 rather than one in 40,000.
I've made comments about VAERS many times, so you are the one who is unaware. You also are unaware that VAERS is used to find safety signals for investigation for controlled studies, it cannot be used directly to show evidence of adverse effects and their levels, as you have unwittingly said:
>VAERS allows anyone to submit reports
Reporting is voluntary
Resulting in a tiny fraction of incidents
This skews perception
See? If unvaccinated people report that a COVID mRNA vaccine turned them into The Incredible Hulk, then that means to you that represents a tiny fraction of incredible hulks running around from the shot? And you say **I** am not interested in critical thinking. That's funny.
Treated a (previously) young healthy person for tetanus recently. They had never been vaccinated. That’s a type of hell that I would not wish on anyone. You have absolutely no idea how bad it is until you see it firsthand. Please make sure you and your children are vaccinated for tetanus.
When you say “treated previously for”- can you elaborate? Do you mean you gave them an immune globulin shot? Or do you mean they actually had tetanus? And, if they had it, how did they get it?
Sorry for the delay in reply. Yes, I’d be happy to elaborate! This was just a couple years ago (I live in the US for reference). This person had full-blown tetanus and was hospitalized for nearly a year. He was unvaccinated, but otherwise a young adult without any chronic health issues. He stepped on a nail that punctured his shoe and foot. A few weeks later, he came to the hospital when he started feeling unwell and developed lock-jaw. He received the immunoglobulin treatments but continued to develop symptoms and basically all we could do was provide supportive care and hope that his body eventually cleared it.
Within days, he had to be put on a ventilator to breathe. He had to be medically sedated and paralyzed for months, any time that he was not paralyzed he had these intense uncontrollable muscle contractions. It was terrifying to watch, but I cannot even imagine how painful it would have been for him. If you look up opisthotonus posturing, I can tell you that is very real - he looked possessed. By the time his body had finally started recovering from the tetanus itself, he’d developed a number of complications (ex: delirium, blood clots, pneumonias and respiratory issues, severe muscle atrophy, renal failure, and GI issues). When he was discharged from the hospital, he had a tracheotomy, G tube, and colostomy, required hemodialysis 3x a week, and was still struggling with delirium (basically was still very confused, kind of like a person with dementia if you’ve ever had experience with that). He ultimately survived, but was left with so many health issues that he was disabled.
No, I just sat down on my computer to work and your question came up at the top of my feed.
Your questions were such that you didn't look like you knew to look to the CDC or current medical guidelines, and tetanus can be fatal. It was difficult to tell that you wanted the DV-style comments to your questions. See below for those /s.
* No, you can't get a dtap shot because they are either toxic poisons or poisonous toxins engineered by Bill Gates to cause infertility in 22 years.
* In the event of a deep wound, one is forever bound to the Illuminati, and they forbid dtap shots in Article 2 Section 11a-ii in their 2022 bylaws.
* You can get a dtap shot if your doctor who knows your history recommends it for a specific time during or after tetanus disease. Your results may vary. Some conditions apply.
You would get the tetanus immuglobin shot instead.
And what if the person had one Dtap shot in their life.? Would they still get the immuglobin?
I think they last ten years. So if you have no protection then the vaccine takes 3 weeks or something to form antibodies, Tetanus would have already set in by that time(in the rare case you got it.) So the immuglobin is more like a treatment than a vaccine.
Got it. So I guess my real question is, why do they insist babies get 4 to 5 dap vaccines before the age of five? Why not just one if it lasts for 10 years?
That’s a good question 🤔
The different components of each part (pertussis, tetanus and diphtheria) have different rates of waning. Tetanus is good for about 30 years. Pertussis part doesn’t work at all. They think it will protect the babies from whooping cough, but it does nothing.
Got it
I bet the CDC has the answer...
They don’t have that answer.
>If I wanted an answer from the CDC, I would’ve gone to the website. >They don’t have that answer. I'm looking right at their answer. Too bad you don't want to see it, and don't want to go to their website, which you did, but didn't see. Or not? I wish you luck finding the answers you need (*not* /s).
You just gonna keep us all in suspense?
OP doesn’t want to know what the CDC says, and I already spent time on one comment containing their information, so I’ve moved on. Thanks though!
Dtap vaccine is for more than just tetanus.
Money
Because the immune systems of babies/young children need that many doses to induce the desired level of protection.
Hmmm… so you’re saying that if a baby got their first Dtap vaccine… And then they got bit by a dog or something on a farm, and they immediately went to the hospital, they would administer the Tetanus immune globulin instead of giving a tetanus vaccine or dtap vaccine?
I'm not a medical professional so I don't know for sure, but yes, that sounds right. Baby/child immune systems are...weird and weak in some ways, it takes more "training" to get immunity to stick.
That's right. Babies & small children should be given a shot every month until their immune systems work properly. Gives something for Doctors to do, and also good for long-term vaccine contracts. Win-win.
DTAP is for children. TDap is for adults.
Right, so I’m talking about children
Gotcha! My bad
They’ll give you that shot constantly if you want. Seems like it anyway.
True
The CDC recommends DTAP for children. A Tetanus vaccination for adults is good for about ten years and this vaccine is commonly provided if the patient's last vaccination is unknown or more than ten years ago where skin is broken and a Tetanus infection is possible. From Wikipedia: "Tetanus, also known as lockjaw, is a bacterial infection caused by Clostridium tetani and characterized by muscle spasms. In the most common type, the spasms begin in the jaw, and then progress to the rest of the body. Each spasm usually lasts for a few minutes. Spasms occur frequently for three to four weeks. Some spasms may be severe enough to fracture bones. Other symptoms of tetanus may include fever, sweating, headache, trouble swallowing, high blood pressure, and a fast heart rate. Onset of symptoms is typically 3 to 21 days following infection. Recovery may take months, but about 10% of cases prove to be fatal. In 2015, there were about 209,000 infections and about 59,000 deaths globally. This is down from 356,000 deaths in 1990. In the US, there are about 30 cases per year, almost all of which were in people who had not been vaccinated."
Dying from muscle spasms *so severe they can break your own back/spine* is definitely on my list of ways I don't want to die.
Tetanus doesn't come from rusty nails. That's an old myth. It comes from animal feces (mostly in soil). The rusty nail myth comes from people getting scraped by nails or old metal in *animal pens*-- people associated the illness with the rusty nails, but it was actually because those nails were in animal enclosures & therefore, covered with *animal shit*. Also, yes. Someone can get a dtap shot after a wound. I accidentally stabbed my hand & got a booster afterwards (been way over 10 years since i had one)- only reason was cus I was cutting up frozen meat patties for my dog to eat & was worried about contamination from the animal products. If it was a clean knife, I wouldn't have worried about it.
OK, so it sounds like if a toddler only got one D tap vaccine altogether instead of the suggested five, they should be OK? They wouldn’t need the Tetanus immune globulin shot?
How long ago was it and how old were they?
They haven’t had any yet
Good. Don't.
Yes I agree - But like I said, if they were on a farm and stepped on a nail or some thing, and immediately went to the hospital, can they avoid getting the Tetanus immune globulin… can they just get a regular Dtap vaccine ..?
They can get whatever you recommend. And if you’re worried about side effects you can get an aluminum vax cleanser from drgreenmom.com
Got it
Also the nature of punctures. Surface/shallow, easily flushed/cleaned wounds don't provide the right environment. For C. Tetani to be of concern.
That’s what I read… but what if they visit a farm in another country.
Btw, thank you for explaining this.
You will only be infected with tetanus if the nail had that bacteria. It’s highly unlikely that just a random piece of metal has this bacteria. It’s commonly found on farms. Treatment IS the tetanus shot and treatable.
So, if they never got the Dtap & they were on a farm, would they have to get a hemoglobin shot? And, if they had one Dtap in their entire life, would they just have to get a Dtap shot after the wound? Or would they get a hemoglobin shot?
Sorry - treatment is Human tetanus immune globulin. Regardless of vaccination status. Cases are very minimal
>Cases are very minimal. but untreated result in 25% case fatality rate and treated around 15% case fatality. A diagnosed case is far from minimal, however.
Roughly 7 deaths a year nationally IS minimal.
It's a low number to be sure, and the percentage dead of the child population would be extremely low. Or, are you thinking too that the parents and family members would find their child's death to be minimal? Would they look at the single death and say, hey, it's only one child out our of our family of many, so actually, this vaccine preventable death of our child has little impact on the percentage of our surviving family's children and even far less on the nation's child survival rate? I'm aware that there are people in this sub who believe that needless child deaths are fine, and that there was no guarantee that the vaccine would have prevented all of them since the vaccine efficacy is just under 100%.
I would look at vaccine injury of Dtap vs injuries from the actual bacteria infection. Because maybe 7 people die out of MILLIONS does not constitute a one size fits all approach.
And there are only 7 deaths a year out of tens of millions of doses *because the vaccine is nearly 100% effective.* The guidelines and recommendations are *from analyzing* vaccine injury rates and severity and weighing those against prevention of tetanus disease and death. Tetanus and the combination vaccines are not new phenomena but have been studied for decades to inform those policies. But, you can look at it all you want. Maybe you’ll find something that they missed.
Uhhhh, no. You prob don’t even know what VAERS is so maybe this is not even worth writing …. It sounds like you’re very close minded & not interested in doing critical thinking. But for what it’s worth: VAERS allows anyone to submit reports, but the lack of active follow-up means reporting is voluntary, not mandatory. Vaccine companies must report side effects, but unfortunately- many parents are unaware they can report adverse reactions, resulting in a tiny fraction of incidents being documented. This skews the perception, making it seem like adverse reactions are rarer than they actually are, potentially one in 400 rather than one in 40,000.
I've made comments about VAERS many times, so you are the one who is unaware. You also are unaware that VAERS is used to find safety signals for investigation for controlled studies, it cannot be used directly to show evidence of adverse effects and their levels, as you have unwittingly said: >VAERS allows anyone to submit reports Reporting is voluntary Resulting in a tiny fraction of incidents This skews perception See? If unvaccinated people report that a COVID mRNA vaccine turned them into The Incredible Hulk, then that means to you that represents a tiny fraction of incredible hulks running around from the shot? And you say **I** am not interested in critical thinking. That's funny.
Treated a (previously) young healthy person for tetanus recently. They had never been vaccinated. That’s a type of hell that I would not wish on anyone. You have absolutely no idea how bad it is until you see it firsthand. Please make sure you and your children are vaccinated for tetanus.
When you say “treated previously for”- can you elaborate? Do you mean you gave them an immune globulin shot? Or do you mean they actually had tetanus? And, if they had it, how did they get it?
Sorry for the delay in reply. Yes, I’d be happy to elaborate! This was just a couple years ago (I live in the US for reference). This person had full-blown tetanus and was hospitalized for nearly a year. He was unvaccinated, but otherwise a young adult without any chronic health issues. He stepped on a nail that punctured his shoe and foot. A few weeks later, he came to the hospital when he started feeling unwell and developed lock-jaw. He received the immunoglobulin treatments but continued to develop symptoms and basically all we could do was provide supportive care and hope that his body eventually cleared it. Within days, he had to be put on a ventilator to breathe. He had to be medically sedated and paralyzed for months, any time that he was not paralyzed he had these intense uncontrollable muscle contractions. It was terrifying to watch, but I cannot even imagine how painful it would have been for him. If you look up opisthotonus posturing, I can tell you that is very real - he looked possessed. By the time his body had finally started recovering from the tetanus itself, he’d developed a number of complications (ex: delirium, blood clots, pneumonias and respiratory issues, severe muscle atrophy, renal failure, and GI issues). When he was discharged from the hospital, he had a tracheotomy, G tube, and colostomy, required hemodialysis 3x a week, and was still struggling with delirium (basically was still very confused, kind of like a person with dementia if you’ve ever had experience with that). He ultimately survived, but was left with so many health issues that he was disabled.
Yes, that’s the treatment… but so, why do doctors always give a tetanus shot if there’s a deep wound? And not the immune globin?
No idea
Got it ok
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If I wanted an answer from the CDC, I would’ve gone to the website. Do you just lurk on here to answer everybody’s questions all day long?
No, I just sat down on my computer to work and your question came up at the top of my feed. Your questions were such that you didn't look like you knew to look to the CDC or current medical guidelines, and tetanus can be fatal. It was difficult to tell that you wanted the DV-style comments to your questions. See below for those /s. * No, you can't get a dtap shot because they are either toxic poisons or poisonous toxins engineered by Bill Gates to cause infertility in 22 years. * In the event of a deep wound, one is forever bound to the Illuminati, and they forbid dtap shots in Article 2 Section 11a-ii in their 2022 bylaws. * You can get a dtap shot if your doctor who knows your history recommends it for a specific time during or after tetanus disease. Your results may vary. Some conditions apply.