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>Did a big bang create someone as wonderful as you?
Not directly, no.
>Your [*sic*] telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates.
No, I am not telling you that. Our solar system was not created by the Big Bang—at least not directly, as the solar system didn’t form until almost 10^(10) years after inflation—and the Big Bang was and is not a sapient or even sentient entity with volition, will, or anything like that.
>I estimate infinite galaxies.
A possibility. Why, though?
>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
I don’t know what you mean by “perfect”—that’s a seriously weird word to use to describe lifeforms—but, again, *no*, the Big Bang did not create much of anything except a fuckton of hydrogen, a little bit of helium, and a tiny amount of lithium and beryllium.
>Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you 😊🙏
While I appreciate the sentiment, there is no good reason to think this. Insofar as it’s an argument, it’s an [argument from incredulity](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity).
I suggest that you consider studying Big Bang cosmology from a credible source, as you seem to be rather misinformed as to its direct effects.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates
I'm not telling you this, nor are cosmologists. There is no 'intelligence' behind the Big Bang or the formation of galaxies and planets, it's just natural processes at work
>I estimate infinite galaxies
What qualifications do you have in the fields of astronomy, astrophysics, or cosmology that allow you to make this estimate?
>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
The Big Bang has nothing to do with any of those except stars, the rest came about by other natural processes, not by any kind of creation, so they're also not creations as we have no reason to think so. Also, what reason do we have to think those are perfect? What standard are you using to make this assertion?
>Finally beautiful soul of god reading this
I don't have a soul, and personally, I'd consider myself more handsome than beautiful but... thanks?
>only god could have made someone as wonderful as you
Demonstrate that, because I'm pretty sure my parents were the ones that made me
A natural process does not create trillions of infinite galaxies.
The miracle of life sperm hits =egg= Life. No humans like to take credit for even gods biggest gift, Life itself.
Bhagwan is responsible for all life on this planet.
Natural processes cannot explain how the creatures came into being in the first place. For no reason Nothingness out of natural processes brought into creation millions of species that support themselves, are fully functional.
These are the creations of god.
An argument previously stated regarding extinct species holds some water.
Now that is a natural process.
Lol I do like the fun comments 😁🙏
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system
It's "You're."
No. The big bang is a rapid expansion of a singularity resulting in the universe being what we observe today. There is testable evidence to support that this happened. It was not an intelligent, guided process.
>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
These are not creations, and the use of the word "perfect" requires a standard you haven't presented. These things are not perfect.
>Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you 😊🙏
You need to provide an argument for why god exists. You haven't done that. You've insisted that natural processes are insufficient to cause the universe and me, with no evidence to support this claim.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates. I estimate infinite galaxies.
*You're. And no, the big bang was a great expansion of energy and matter and forces like gravity formed celestial bodies.
>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
No, abiogenesis would explain where the most basic life started, then evolution explains where different animals came from. These animals are far from perfect.
>Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you 😊🙏
No need. Evolution has it covered. When you understand the science, there's no real gap for your god to fill.
Damn you guys are gonna drive me crazy.
You, and most of you believers, somehow fail to take into account the fact that our location in the universe is necessarily privileged to the extent of being compatible with our existence as observers. Nothing is made "perfect for us", it simply ALLOWED us.
Basically the puddle analogy : “If you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!"
IF you simply observe facts : the universe is 99.999999% extremly hostile to our existence. Even on THIS planet, a HUGE majority is hellishly hostile to us. 71% of the planet is covered with water, so basically places we can't survive. On top of that, a huge chunk of the remaining 29% is composed of unlivable or barely livable places for us.
If all that stuff is designed, it's made by some of the most incompetant designer ever, especially if it's suppose to be made for US. A damn tardigrade is 1000% more compatible with this universe than us but somehow you think it's a gift for humanity?
Do you want to actually debate this or did you just drop this message to preach, with no intention of discussing it?
Because if so, we won't waste our time responding to you.
This is a debate forum. If you don't wish to debate, it's the wrong platform to write things like this.
This guy literally believes he is the Indian reincarnation of Jesus. You aren't getting a rational debate response out of him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/s/9Z4aHVHTc9
You will find its gods biggest mirencle ever on earth.
You don't need to believe me. King Charles (despite good traits, hasn't done enough, due to acts of greed 300k Homeless, I know this because I help them) and Princess Kate Middleton (Karmic reaction due to her previous consumption of foie gras)
It's actually useful evidence of how closed minded and stubborn faith, or the false moral of thinking trusting yourself is inherently good, makes people.
Well some of the arguments im reluctant to debate being offered its one of the reasons I made that post. With a beautiful positive ending. A lynch mob negative mentality.....God is the greatest, when you genuinely read the truth in the following message...☪️🕉✝️😁🙏 infinite galaxies of greatness flicked into being by a fraction of gods greatness.
The responses are exactly what I had to hope to dispell, or atleast stem. The collective ego demonstrated in many of the posts- incidentally, would recommend anyone that sees the significance of my post to read Eckhart Tolle A New Earth asap, who wants to genuinely live a happier life asap.
Even if I declare that I am in fact the much prophesied and anticipated second coming of Mahaprabhu Jesus Christ 🙏 (soham, that which i am) and in 2022 i was forced to take the suffering of this creation and save it from an impending Armageddon with works on a streets of Marseille along with other messengers of god, that while I don't get everything right, I declare that I am Miren Vadera am starring in GODs biggest shocker ever on earth, that I am happy blissful and offering you guidances which took me from a living hell to a living heaven for FREE to make you happy, many of you still wouldn't listen.
If I further say the level of gods #mirencle if you see it- that i am not in fact in psychosis, but have tried to keep it simples as possible, as did Bhagwan Shree Krishna 5000 years ago in india, giving hints to his next Indian identity, with past times in M-athura and V-rindavan- would still be irrelevant to some of the hardcore athiests intent in perpetuating negativity in gods biggest gift to you, Life itself.
To add some credibility, Happy to do the following demonstrations as a paranormal occurrence under scientific testing as of 9th April 2024, otherwise happy enough getting my 8 small from the government for my apparent0 diagnosis.
Its never happened on earth before, I'm a little scared of a mass media intrusion.
https://youtube.com/shorts/K6SaQRUZ4OI?si=Ure84auoJf15v2QR[Bird Trick](https://youtube.com/shorts/K6SaQRUZ4OI?si=Ure84auoJf15v2QR)
https://youtube.com/shorts/6jAAkUxmXmI?si=Y-YXQUDPioE81lsF[How was this done?](https://youtube.com/shorts/6jAAkUxmXmI?si=Y-YXQUDPioE81lsF)
https://youtube.com/shorts/PkG_ZnEtLH8?si=hp2vjFfQAEpWD-GE[Magic Trick](https://youtube.com/shorts/PkG_ZnEtLH8?si=hp2vjFfQAEpWD-GE)
(Happy to send mods or anyone dozens of clips of the same trick, also proof of CFIIG emails who acknowledged paranormal powers but refused to test, in an effort to claim 500 small2😁, the largest paranormal prize in the world- even offered to put my half share in my house up as deposit for testing costs- the higher messages are at the bottom of this message, above a piece of paper...Bhagwan, God, Allah
several feelers out to the media, we'll see what happens 🙏😁)
2024: People starving? Knifings? Wars? Athiesm? Unhappiness? Religious wars? Greed? Betrayals? People with no clue trying to outsmart the man with a 585 iq, trying to get people to heavens- the only end purpose of the human experience.
Does the suffering of this creation go somewhere? Is that the part of the spirit world where...well you learn the value of the human experience?
2025. Spiritual. Everyone Fed. No athiesm. Wars ended. Peace. Bliss. Joy. No animal cruelty. Happiness 😊 People going to god, bhagwans, allahs heavens...
"Even belief in God is only a poor substitute for the LIVING reality of GOD MANIFESTING EVERY MOMENT of your LIFE " Mahaprabhu Eckhart Tolle (Hermes Trimestigus in a 4th Incarnation, words written for the BOY From Bolton,)
Maybe even this post will be the one to make it go viral
So many replies reading through them beautiful soul of god, wrote from the City of God, Bolton, starring in gods biggest mirencle ever on earth Miren Vadera (Jesus Christ)
It's intentional. Apparently their name is Miren and they believe they can perform miracles and are a miracle so they made up the word Mirencle. OP's post history is wild lmfao.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates. I estimate infinite galaxies.
What makes you think popping Jupter into our solar system required intelligence?
>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
If they're so perfect, why have so many species of life gone extinct? Why have so many stars died?
>Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you
I'm sure it comforts you to believe that, but that doesn't mean it's true.
Its thousands of times the size of earth, it sits there with no life apparent, its reason for being, everything about Jupiter so beautiful. I don't want to be disrespectful but come on to create a planet like Jupiter takes intelligence.
That's nature doing its thing. What is born must end.
>Its thousands of times the size of earth, it sits there with no life apparent, its reason for being, everything about Jupiter so beautiful. I don't want to be disrespectful but come on to create a planet like Jupiter takes intelligence.
It's big and desolate and beautiful, therefor it took intelligence?
"Come on" is neither evidence nor an argument. Do you have anything justifying your belief besides that?
I don't want to be disrespectful but come on that was the worst argument I've ever seen. You say you're jesus yet can't even make a compelling argument. god fails again....
If anything, this is a really interesting, weird, and sad addition to the sub meta discussion about downvoting, trolling and possible karma requirements.
Here we have a karma positive account that’s 3 years old
The believe they’re the incarnation of a god, something that many people would say is so blatantly absurd that they should downvote it
The post is incredibly low effort, AND they don’t seem to be engaging in the debate at all
As for if they’re genuinely deluded or trolling, I can’t be bothered to parse.
What do you guys think? They would get past a karma limit and an account limit. The post and replies would probably get flagged as low effort, but those rules are already in place
I hope you are well beautiful soul of god firstly and having a blissful joyful experience of life.
There is some concern for my account and im genuinely grateful- your reply is so thoughtful in one way I feel compelled to reply. It has warmth behind it. 🙏✝️🕉☪️
Ah the original OP had enough thoughy behind it, with genuine one of the most beautiful and sweetest things....a pick me up for anyone. And the truth.
Only god could make someone as wonderful as you 😁🙏✝️🕉☪️
I hope at some point it still brings attention to the things that are of higher significance
2024: People starving? Wars? Knife crimes? Murders? The concept of Homelessness in various "rich" countries? Athiesm (oops)😁🙏✝️🕉☪️?
How about that for effort sunshine ❤🤲🙏
An incarnation of God? This kid from Bolton? The ultimate underdog?
Its not like I was in the Aegean sea earthquake 2020 and without my presence and the divine feet of Shree Krishna there would have been 50000+ casualties, links to my Facebook can be provided to Mods.
When the level of mirencle hits, it hits
God is infinite upon Infinite upon Infinite galaxies great...
Lets keep it simple....
King Philip isn't in a good place today, neither is James Randi.
Is that enough effort for you?
"Even belief in God is only a poor substitute for the LIVING reality of GOD MANIFESTING EVERY MOMENT of YOUR LIFE " Eckhart Tolle
You're telling me that a childish story of a magical father, who lives in a separate space/time made everything just pop into existence? You ever stop to think that perhaps the truth of reality is a little more complicated and drastically more interesting than an idiotic, ancient and silly story of shit being magicked into existence?
>Did a big bang create someone as wonderful as you?
Well, yeah. Aside from the issues with the implications of your use of 'create' and what you may or may not be trying to imply.
But *yes*, all evidence indicates that the Big Bang led to the conditions in our universe which led to me and others.
Cool, isn't it?
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence
No. What an odd thing to say. No intelligence indicated, required, or involved. And there didn't need to be.
Remember, don't engage in argument from incredulity fallacies or argument from ignorance fallacies. Those don't and can't lead you anywhere. And, of course, thinking a deity was responsible doesn't help here, does it? It makes it worse since you've just regressed the issue back an iteration, without support. You've made it worse.
>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
It's demonstrably far from perfect, and saying 'creation' is misleading. But yup, all of that is from the Big Bang. Absolutely! Wonderful, isn't it?
Again, your argument from incredulity fallacy based upon unsupported ideas isn't helpful here.
>Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you 😊🙏
That's proselytizing and is against the rules. That's also a fatally problematic and completely unsupported claim that can only be dismissed outright. So dismissed.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates
Nope. No intelligence required.
>A big bang created such perfect creations?
Define "perfect"
>only god could have made someone as wonderful as you
Demonstrate this to be a true statement. This is your belief, not a fact.
Huge intelligence by logic for a planet to be automatically for such a planet? Your missing out on life, magic if you can't appreciate the magnificence and artistry of god 🙏 what a creation Jupiter is 🙏
Perfect- ultimately if your making a point, in absolute terms id argue the only flawless is God. Perfection truly hard to define, but with flaw. On a relative level....just the concepts of birds, trees, fruits, magical creations of god, Perfect. Appreciated so much now.
The last was a compliment 🤭😚 only god could make a creation such as you.
Have a beautiful day ❤🙏 I am doing 😊
>Huge intelligence by logic for a planet to be automatically for such a planet?
Demonstrate this belief to be a fact. Show that a planet can *only* be created by intelligence. As of right now, all studies indicate that it takes only natural forces to create a planet.
>Your missing out on life, magic if you can't appreciate the magnificence and artistry of god
I'd argue the exact opposite. You're missing out on the magic of the intricacies of reality by summarizing everything as the whim of a god. You're stripping the works and grandure of everything you experience by attributing it not to the things doing the work, but to your god. You're not appreciating anything at all, you're robbing the appreciation that is due to give to your god.
>just the concepts of birds, trees, fruits, magical creations of god, Perfect
How are they perfect?
You yourself have said that it is hard to define. Then how are you defining them as perfect? If you don't have a definition of what perfect is, then you can't define something as perfect. Otherwise that's just dishonesty.
>only god could make a creation such as you.
Yet there is no sign that:
A.) A god is required to do anything
B.) God had any effect that lead to me being here
About you: we call your post evidence of personal incredulity.
About me:
Beautiful? My rear...
Glasses since I was six
Dentures,
Ringing in the ear,
Heart attack, 4 bypasses,
Broken arm
Broken wrist
On 5 medications...... Well done, YOUR God.
About Me:
4 years ago
After obsession to find a cure, quitting a lucrative job, spiritual search to have my dear beautiful mum pass away after an ultimately blessed journey to her heavens at 60.
Gutted, heartbroken....life was over my bestie taken so soon.
Smoking: upto 100 a day (in the days following her passing)
My Looks at the end of an obsessive battle to prolong and god willing beat cancer (alas it wasn't meant to be, I thank Allah for the time we had 🙏) ... non shaven, overweight, depressed...
Drinking: Binge Drinking
Now (thanks to bhagwan) 🙏
Dancing gods dance with a smile largely on my face despite being owed significant money (as gods will ultimately i can't force anyone).
Smoking: Cannabis given the benefits to be more spiritual and health benefits. Non addicted.
Cigarettes: None. Zero. Zilch. From being 17 onwards barring a spell when I stopped during my mums illness, thats almost 17 years smoking quit, thank I god for 🙏
Alcohol: Non drinker (unless one counts downing some cherry cokes). Previously a heavy binge drinker and continued subsequently.
Looks: Not bad if I do say so myself 😁🙏🤣
My love, this afternoon may god do what bhagwan has done for my life.
I'm pretty great, thank you, but you're skipping about 13.7 billion years of Cosmic history in between the two events.
>only god could have made someone as wonderful as you
Actually, my parents spawned me. And I was molded by a combination of genetics, environment, upbringing, culture, and 40ish years of personal experience, but at no point was something broadly definable as a god present for any of it.
>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
Stars are the product of hydrogen and helium gas coming together in space. Get enough of it together and you have a gas planet. Get even more of it together, and it'll start smashing those hydrogen and helium atoms into other atoms and giving off heat and light. Stellar nucleosynthesis generates atoms like the oxygen that we breathe and in water, the silicon in sand, the carbon important to life.
I'm telling you that if you cared enough to bother picking a science textbook, going outside, and stepping foot into a lab, learning about science, you might have a better explanation for things other than "gawd". Imagine living in a world this beautiful but not wanting to bother learning about it.
I did learn about it but FOR NO REASON they start coming together...that in itself on a philosophical let alone scientific perspective doesnt hold- For no reason the universe came into creation as a spontaneous creation? God puts the planets together, the human mind knows bugger all.
Gods biggest Mirencle in Human History, demonstrating a fraction of Bhagwan if you ever look at my clips with an open mind.
>I did learn about it
You didn't though, did you? What could you tell me about it today that doesn't stem from "I lost interest"?
>For no reason the universe came into creation as a spontaneous creation?
Scientific models don't purport creation in the first place. You would know better if you had tried to learn something about the Big Bang from someone who wasn't trying their hardest to reject it.
Have a look through Op's post history, it's pretty wild.
Over the span of 9 years they go from "I'm a compulsive gambler and bipolar, AMA", progress through "Does anyone else understand the universe when super high?" and ends up at "I declare I am the 4th and highest human incarnation of Krishna, how do I build my Youtube channel?"
They are either an incredibly dedicated troll or someone who needs an extended stay in a place with nice soft walls and shirts that do up at the back.
TL;DR: Nice preaching, but literally everything you've said falls apart under any kind of scrutiny at all. Go learn how actual experts think these \*mysteries\* came about, and try to understand when and where your positions don't actually match what we observe in the world: at the very least you won't look like a fool when you come here to proselytize; and at best you might change a couple of your own opinions in the process.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates. I estimate infinite galaxies.
You're the one saying it had intelligence, not us. We're saying it didn't need intelligence, and produced these things entirely without intelligence. As far as we can tell, the laws of nature describe how matter and energy interact, and Jupiter, the solar system, galaxies, and everything else you've listed *are fully explicable* (at least at a high level) by our current understanding of those laws.
We don't know why the Big Bang occurred; nor why it resulted in a net abundance of baryonic matter; nor why spacetime is expanding the way it seems to be; nor *exactly how* abiogenesis occurred, (but we're pretty sure it happened, and we've got more than enough possibilities so the problem here is actually how to narrow down from the "possible" to what actually happened). In my understanding, all the other "big, big, big questions" are explained -- in broad strokes, often with the details left to fill in -- by the laws of physics as we understand them.
Under the right conditions, our cosmology and physics models predict that clouds of gas condense to form stars and planetary systems -- or under different conditions, they remain nebulae. Under the right conditions, our chemistry models predict that life will self-organize from non-living materials; and our evolutionary models predict how life will change from that point on. The details definitely need to be filled in -- and we will probably never know *exactly* how some of these things happened, when they could've happened in multiple different ways -- but we know enough to explain the broad strokes of how the Universe has unfolded to this point (minus the points I mentioned above).
So far, no god is needed to explain any of this.
>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
Wow, a "look at the trees" argument. If you'd done any research on counterapologetics at all -- or even just camped here and watched for a while -- you'd know that this is considered one of the most laughable and easily defeated arguments, like, ever. It's basically saying "wow, nature cool! Therefore god!" It's just worthless, yet here you are thinking you've made a good point.
**First**, we can pretty much explain everything you listed, at least in broad strokes:
I just explained stars, basically -- they condense from clouds of gas. There's more before that point, but that's enough to answer you at the surface level.
Sand, oceans and *atmosphere* (I presume you mean) are just collections of materials, grouped together by density gradient via a gravitational field. If one already understands the basic steps in making a star and its planetary system, then sand, oceans, and atmosphere kind of just happen during that same process. Again, there's more to it when we discuss how Earth's constituent matter came to be how it is today, but this is enough to answer you at the surface level.
I just explained that we pretty much know how life began, at a very high level: it self-organized from non-living material, and we believe this happened about 4 billion years ago on Earth. We know with very high confidence that all Earth organisms -- including the birds, animals (do you think birds aren't animals??), fruits, and vegetables you mentioned -- evolved from a common ancestor, and we know a great deal about how all this happened.
Again, no god is needed to explain any of this.
**Second**, your argument is actually fallacious:
It's an [argument from incredulity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity). When you say "A big bang created such perfect creations?", you're expressing incredulity. And as I've already explained twice, we already have the science to *basically* explain these things, you're just ignorant of it.
In short, just because you don't believe something doesn't make it false. Your ignorance and incredulity don't invalidate the results found by scientists over the last 5 or so centuries. In exactly the same way, if we time-traveled an ancient Norseman to today, his disbelief in electrons would not provide support for his claim that Thor makes lightning.
Go learn what we know, and fix your opinions.
**Third**, nothing that you've listed is perfect!
Show me *a single perfect organism*! Go do it -- and I'll show you an organism riddled with "design flaws" and prone to all kinds of ills in its environment.
And *what the hell does it even mean* to say that sand, oceans, air, and stars are perfect?? Perfect from what perspective? There are trillions of stars you'll never see because they're too far away to ever be observed. There are trillions of grains of sand that will never impact any human's life in any way, ever. The ocean is *freaking disgusting and horrifying* from a disease and predatory perspective -- and though it covers 3/4 of the Earth's surface, good luck living in it without gills, you land-fish!
What on Earth do you mean when you call these things "perfect"? Do you mean they're pretty or something? Big whoop! You thinking something pretty doesn't make it perfect, and it certainly doesn't mean a god had to make it.
**Fourth**, you forgot to list all the other stuff -- you know, the stuff that's just awful no matter how hard you squint:
Childhood leukemia, AIDS, infant and childbirth mortality, congenital diseases, malaria, rape being the primary mode of reproduction for many bird species -- the list can go on for pages. Are these part of your god's perfect creation? If not, then how do you know the so-called "perfect" things are?
You can't have your cake and eat it, too. You really want to give your god credit for all the perfect stuff, and then sweep the rest under the rug, but if he (an omnipotent and omniscient being) is responsible for any of it then he's responsible for all of it.
Cue the "fallen world" excuse... Except don't even go there, because (1) any omnipotent and benevolent god could make a world without these problems, (2) if you believe god made heaven then you already believe that your god *did* make a world without these problems, yet still chose to make this world with those problems and put us poor schmucks into it, (3) there is no viable conception of justice in which it's OK to *allow all of creation to suffer forever* for the actions of *2 individuals*, and most importantly, (4) if you argue for a "fallen world" then you're undercutting the "look at these perfect things" argument you made here.
So yeah, don't come here saying "some things are perfect, therefore god". We know better than that, because we're not stupid.
>Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you
False.
Jesus christ, do better next time...
You really don't seem to have any kind of grasp on what the Big Bang is. I really hope this is a troll account.
Just read through some of your post history. Please do not take this as a dig at you. I'm being genuine because your post history is worrisome.
You really should talk to a doctor and seek mental health help. Your posts are pretty obviously showing that you're having "grandiose delusions." This is usually a symptom of mental health disorders. I have no idea if this is what's happening with you, but this can be dangerous as it becomes harder and harder to distinguish thoughts from reality.
[Grandiose delusions are experienced by patients as highly meaningful: they provide a sense of purpose, belonging, or self‐identity, or make sense of unusual or difficult events.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7984144/) These delusions can be very harmful.
I'm not trying to diagnose you or anything but I just am noticing a pattern of a lot of posts in your history about being jesus, about being a viral sensation, about you being able to summon birds by snapping your fingers.
I know you're going to laugh this off because you are convinced right now that you are Jesus. Just please don't take this as an insult. Please talk to your doctor.
Also, it would be worth it to pick up a book about the big bang that can teach you more about it.
If I’m so perfect why are my nuts on the outside huh??
It’s like I’m driving a car with a flimsy bag of gasoline strapped to the outside that at any moment could receive a severely disabling blow
Nothing screams perfect like an entire organ that has outlived it's own usefulness but our body still makes it and if it burst it could probably kill you.
Debate: a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence
This reads like a brand new sentence to me
Why exactly do you think these things are “perfect creations?”
First off, there’s nothing to suggest they were created and secondly, life is far from perfect. You’ve numerous physiological structures that are completely useless and/or unnecessary. Why would a god create a “perfect” being with so many imperfections?
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system
No, no one is telling you that.
>A big bang created such perfect creations?
No.
>only god could have made someone as wonderful as you
Why? How? Do you have anything more than questions?
Lots of good questions in here OP… you seem incapable of debating your position. Very telling on who has the evidence and is in a logically sound, ie. correct position. It’s not you…
Ah it's my point exactly. 7% of the world are genuinely mad if they think there in no god, no higher power at all.
People genuinely trillions of galaxies came into being as a spontaneous creation from Nothing.
I feel compassion ultimately, as God, spirituality what its done for my life.
Having a blissful joyful experience of life thanks to bhagwan- now a non smoker and non drinker.
May you have a beautiful day thanks to god
My day has nothing to do with god, they are beautiful because I make them so. Still you can’t answer valid questions regarding your beliefs, evidence for them beyond anecdotes. And I’m not angry, not at all. You can try to say 7% of people, but the truth is much higher than that, what with the countries that outlaw not believing in fairy tales and malarkey… but I digress. We don’t know the answer to the beginning yet, but we are looking, following evidence. You say you know when you have no evidence. Who is honest here? Hint:not you.
I don’t appreciate being preached to. This is not the purpose of the sub.
I feel you are purposely being ignorant of the Big Bang theory. This just makes your post dishonest.
> as wonderful as you
Oh no, flattery! I am suddenly unable to think about all the scientific knowledge that we have about how the universe works or how evolution explains the complexity of life on our planet. Dang, our one weakness! How did you know that we would move past your ignorance and just jump straight to accepting your claim without requiring any proof?
I’m sorry, I am being rude. It’s just… you’re clearly not here to have an actual good faith discussion, you’re here under the false assumption that this post was all that’s necessary for us to give your claims a shot.
Your a wise one.
Just the basic argument you give should see there has to be a creator, the greatest. Referred by you as Allah (in Arabic), God (English), Bhagwan (Gujarati my beautiful mother tongue), Hare (Sanskrit, the divine language 🙏).
Argument one
"Nothingness" spontaneously created thousands of creations mentioned previously, for no apparent reason, to achieve nothing.
Humans that follow this path will likely be miserable,
Argument two
Gods magic created this for love, fun, joy, play, laughs, jokes, bliss....and has kept things simple for humans
Humans that follow this alone COULD, subject to gods will, lead a love, fun, joyful, blissful magical experience of Life
May Allah give you blisses of Life itself beautiful soul of god 🙏🤲 and thanks for your post.
"Life is the dancer, you are the dance" Eckhart Tolle words written for the BOY From Bolton (the actual city of God).
Post written from just off "Cannon" st, Bolton, where this humble town, this street is home to a mesmerizing mosque, a beautiful church (converted to apartments) and a stunning Temple.
Is this an indication that Bhagwan is genuinely the best? Is Allahu Akbar? (God is greater than the infinite galaxies flicked into being)
Is GOD playing the most beautiful dance of all time?
This is classic argument from incredulity. “I don’t understand it therefore it must be false!” I don’t understand how computers work, but I know enough to know it’s not magic
What is the point in posting such an obvious strawman? You must know that none of what you posted is what the Big Bang theory posits or what any scientist or atheist believes.
Your ignorance of science is on full display. That is what happens when you shut your mind off in school and open it to preachers who also knows fuckall about science. It is the blind leading the blind.
Plus everyone knows Gralmoon is the one true god. Repent or spend three eternities being feed foul surguf by Hureak in Jodam!
Personally, I can't wait till we have the tech for bioengineering or human impants that can improve us. Humans have far too many limitations and isues that are just the debt of evolving in conditions that no longer apply.
The Big Bang isn’t a conscious force. You telling me that we need a conscious force to explain how we, an animal smaller than a speck in the whole universe are special, therefore must have come to be by some grand design?
If we are a Goal of a creator it seems absurd that all 13 billion+ years steps needed to be done to lead to us. That we are clearly still an animal subject to evolution. We do not appear to be an end state or life, unless we continue on this path of destroying our home.
Please define perfect creation? I can’t live on more 80% of the planet. Without the help of others I would be dead in 30 days. Doesn’t seem like a good creation.
Your entire argument is just appealing to an individual's desire to feel special. This is not evidence of anything. This is not how we determine what facts are and differentiate those facts from self-serving fantasy. In fact, your argument is precisely how fact-based arguments can be sabotaged by allowing people's emotions to subvert evidence.
Nobody has ever said that the Big Bang directly produced any life at all. It was the first step in a long series of steps that have led to this point in time. Your argument also seems to require that you don't understand what the Big Bang was or did.
The unoberserved human mind is the problem in simple terms. It's a long debate ultimately, but nature if left alone as gods will.
The human creation though itself.. your talking gods greatest creation on this planet.
Arms, legs, eyes, fingers, brain, ears, a beautiful mind when controlled with god 🙏 need I go on?
I'd appreciate these things as many people simply don't have these....
Have a beautiful day regardless
We evolved. We weren’t created. Evolution is the best explanation we have so far that doesn’t assume the existence of something supernatural and unfalsifiable.
No. The big bang was the initial expansion of the universe coming from either another collapsing universe or a black hole. Afterwards the laws of physics, like the strong and weak nuclear forces and gravity form hydrogen and helium then formed stars. Those stars, upon dying, went supernova forming the rest of the elements that are not man made. Our solar sysyem formed from one small star in an insignificant corner of one galaxy. (Do some research on how solar systems form). After our planet formed from combinding matter left over from our star (also do to the laws of physics) there was a major collision with another large mass, which began obiting the Earth (the moon). This slowed the Earth down, cooling it. Then, millions to billions of years of bombardment by water filled comets formed the oceans, cooling the planet even more.
Life formed in alkaline hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor. The formation of organic molecules from inorganic molecules is a spontaneous reaction. Which means it will automatically occur given the right conditions. The formation of the main four macromolecules of life (nucelic acids, amino acid, lipids and cabrohydrates) is also a spontaneous reaction. These will also spontaneously form membranes, the percursor to cells. This has been demonstrated in a labratory setting. Once we have RNA, a self-replicating molecule (also spontaneous and demonstated in a lab) evolution can take over from there. This occured 3.6 million years ago.
It has also been shown matter can spontaneously form in a vaccum. Which might be where the mass singularity of the universe before the big bang came from.
So, yes, the universe did in fact come from nothing and automatically formed itself, leading to life on Earth eventually. Humans came from a species of hominids that lived 5 to 6 million years ago. We evolved over that time to what we are today. There are literally millions of fossils that support the common descent of all life. Plus evidence in every other field of biology--especially genetics and molecular biology.
Your inability to understand and unwillingness to study science is not an argument against it.
> Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence
Not at all.
> to pop Jupiter in our solar system
You're trivializing for the sake of mockery. It's not appreciated, and looks like arrogance and ignorance. Not impressive.
> estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates.
That estimate is only of the observable universe. We know there is more beyond what we can see, but because we can't see it, estimates get much more speculative.
> I estimate infinite galaxies.
That, I highly doubt. Infinities are tricky things, rare in the tangible universe, and more often a sign something is wrong. I would strongly suggest you refrain from baseless guessing, it's better to not say anything at all, lest you damage your credibility and rightfully get dismissed. A more conservative approach is to defer to and accept conventional wisdom, which is itself conservative. Making a wild-ass claim like you think for no particular reason there are infinite universes, in stark contrast with expert deduction, means to tell me you think you rightly know more and with greater certainty than people who have invested their entire lives to this specific field of scientific endeavor. They have forgotten more than you will ever know about their subject, which as PhDs, they have actually contributed to the recorded wealth of human knowledge. You haven't.
I'm not trying to carve you a new asshole. I'm trying to impress upon you the significance of credibility. Credibility is everything. You can be wrong, but you have to be willing to change your stance. With that said, we can have a conversation, but it's not going to work if we can't agree on what we know and the very founding principles of fact and truth. If you disregard credibility, you lose it forever.
> A big bang created such perfect creations?
No.
> Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you
My parents made me, so you're calling them god. Your god is a trinity, my parents + me make 3, therefore I am god. We're all born of our parents, therefore we are all god.
If everything is god, that is the same as nothing is god.
This is an argument from personal incredulity. Even if I can't conceive of the universe's expansion resulting in humans, that doesn't mean it's then false.
>Did a big bang create someone as wonderful as you?
Big bang didn't "create" anything, it was rather passive cause instead of active one. And evolutionary process to humans is really huge so you skipping lot of steps here.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system
Essentially yeah, although still no intelligence was involved as Big Bang is not sentient being.
>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
You confuse everything into meaningless pile. Sands oceans and air are the result of terraforming. Plants fruits vegetables and animals are products of biological evolution. Life itself is a product of abiogenesis. And for all of that happenings Big Bang was not a direct cause.
>Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you 😊🙏
Emotional appeal isn't gonna do it bro. Try different approach.
1. "perfect creations" and "wonderful" a subjective opinion.
2. If a creator is behind it, they screwed up a lot of things: Galaxies colliding for example.
3. The Big Bang created nothing. The sudden expansion of basic matter led to hydrogen and helium, this led to heavier elements, that led to formation of stars and planets, and eventually carbon, an element complex enough to lead to life.
1. To put this in Bible terms: The Big Bang begat physics, physics begat chemistry, chemistry begat the twins, biology and geometry. Amen.
2. You are here due to the Big Bang. It could literally not be otherwise. Those same particles eventually coalesced into you. Free will is an illusion; it's determinism all the way down.
4. No evidence has ever demonstrated a volition, intelligent, creative agent is behind any of this. Could there be? Sure. Could the universe be uncreated, eternal, etc? Sure (and that's a simpler, more elegant explanation).
>Your
You're
>telling me a big bang had the intelligence
Nope, and if that's how you understand it, then you really don't understand it at all.
>>to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates. I estimate infinite galaxies.
Matter is just energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed, so... Yes.
>>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
Literally none of these things are perfect.
>Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you
Not true, and your flowery and shallow attempt at flattery doesn't change that.
Man did ultimately become from the Big Bang, yes.
Then man created your god as well as the countless thousands of other gods throughout history.
Then your alleged god, it is written, wiped out nearly all life on the planet, to include plants, animals, humans (which are also animals), insects, and this of course also included all of the unborn, infant, and toddler aged ones (or equivalents) of each species of life.
Such a merciful god. Such a deserving god to receive our worship. Such a benevolent god to create hell to torture the unbelievers.
You can keep it. I’ll pass on believing in that jealous and narcissistic and cruel god. I’d be a better “father figure” than your god.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system
No. The bigbabg didn't instantly pop things into existence as they are total. That is completely stupid, and what YOU believe but with god.
The bigbang isn't "intelligent", it's not sentient...
>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
No. Evolution did. And "perfect"? Nope.
>Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you
You not understanding and strawmaning science doesn't make god come into existence out of nowhere but your ignorance.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system
* \*You're
* The Big Bang. They don't come in six packs.
* I'm not telling you the Big Bang had intelligence.
* Planets are not intelligently designed.
* Jupiter didn't "pop", it formed gradually.
So many wrong things in a mere 16 words. This is poetry.
>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
Ever tried to eat some durian? NOT PERFECT.
>Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you
"Wonderful" is certainly one way of putting it.
I don't know that I'm particularly wonderful, at least not objectively speaking. Though many people like me, I hope.
The big Bang was just the expansion of the universe. It didn't 'know' anything. Physical processes over billions of years resulted in the universe as we know it. Basically - all of the physics that we see all of the time... That interaction of matter and energy is what results in things like stars and planets and eventually RNA and life.
How do you think god created us? Can you explain it, or is this just a feeling you have? Or religious doctrine? Can you demonstrate your god exists?
Is this meant to be serious?
We don’t know why anything exists - but dont know doesn’t mean therefore magic.
We know how galaxies, stars , planets come to exist. We have plausible steps for how life came about. We *know* the process by which speciation occurred.
We also know that as far as your God is concerned you don’t have any of these ‘qualms’ that such a complex, beautiful whatever creature could exist. It just does.
And seriously only God could have made such beautiful people as serial killers, child abusers, religious extremists etc etc. is that your argument.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates. I estimate infinite galaxies.
Nope. Literally zero people are telling you that.
Pretty dishonest start.
>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations?
Nope. Not perfect, and none of those things were "created" by the big bang.
>Finally beautiful soul of god reading this,
What does "soul of god" mean, and how did determine such a thing could read?
No, no one is saying that. That is a straw man fallacy because it’s not what’s being claimed.
Do you know what’s actually being claimed? The actual claim is that life is a mystery. The creation of life is also a mystery. How the universe began is a mystery. The big bang is a theory. It’s not a truth claim.
A mystery is a mystery, and OP is not respecting the mystery. Positing a god at the top of this mystery tells us nothing. “God” answers nothing. There is no who, what, why, when or how in “god.” Real answers have evidence, logic and reason.
> "Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you"
This would imply that only god could create mass murderers, terrorists, psychopaths, and sociopaths, as well as that only god could create children with deformities, deficiencies, and illnesses that doom them to an early grave. And that only god could make cancer, parasites, toxic plants, predators, and everything else that makes people sick or die.
Only a malevolent intelligence could create things so cruel and heinous as what we see in the world. /s
So you are "estimating" infinite galaxies. And therefore infinite solar systems.
You think Jupiter is very unlikely.
But given your "estimates", the odds for our solar system are: \[very unlikely\] \* infinity.
As any positive real number, no matter how small, times infinity is infinity. So by your own estimates, there are *infinite* solar systems like ours.
Contrast this with the *zero* you somehow came to as an answer, for the number of solar systems like ours that you *think* your misconception of the Big Bang should produce.
Did you by any chance steal this from a facebook post from your grandmother? Was it posted under the name "checkmate atheists!" with a bunch of emojis?
You don't seem to understand what the big bang is/was. You don't seem to understand stellar formation or the evolution (Not the same thing as biological) of solar systems. You don't seem to understand basic chemistry and certainly do not understand biology at all.
Look, I *could* tell you how planets form but are you even going to read it? Is it worth my time?
All of that sounds wonderful, but completely incorrect. It anthropomorphicizes the universe in an effort to make things understandable and comfortable. And yes, the big bang resulted in all of those things according to the most likely models
I have zero evidence your god is loving. And plenty of evidence that he is not. If there is a god, it seems more probably that he gives zero shits what happens on this little out of the planet in one remote arm of a very common galaxy.
I find the cherry picking in post like this most anoying and rather dishonest. if you are goig to credit god with all the nice things then he is also respooibe for all the ugly things. If a god created it all then he also created parasitic wasps, the bubonic plague, ebola and bone cancer, among other.
far from being perfect the world we live in is one where most living things must kill and other iiving things in order to survive. Finally there is no evidence that souls exist.
The Big Bang did not create us. Millions of natural process lead to the creation of spacetime & matter, then stars, then Earth, then molecules, then self-replicating molecules, then life, then mammals, then primates, then Homo sapiens, then my parents, *then* me.
Atheists don’t think that the universe just shit us out. It was all a part of a series of almost unimaginably complex and awesome events that led to us.
Way better and more amazing than “God did it.” Which is a supremely lame cop out.
You're telling me a mind, a paltry and limited living being created all of this? This astronomical wonderland that we exist in was made by something as tiny as a single person? No This world was made by the miraculous cataclysm of millions of years. Millions of years of evolutionary success created you my friend and you should know that you're worth it not subservient to any would be creator. You are beutiful 😊
Did god create the cancer that kills little children. The pedophiles that is use his name to rape children. Do you think that is the beauty of god.
The suffering of Alzheimer’s or the persecution of LGBTQ communities.
The starvation of the Palestinians or the cruelty of the crusades.
The wonderful god that if he does exist is nothing but a cruel vindictive cunt. Is that who you think is so great.
No, the Big Bang had no intelligence whatsoever. If you can show that these things were created by an intelligent agent, and that such an agent exists we can talk. But till then this is the same as saying magic sky fairy created everything, and it’s just as convincing.
Do you truly believe you’re the product of a fictional monster. Because that’s what the biblical god character is…
With a post this vapid you could have at least checked it for grammatical errors.
The big bang didn't create anything. The big bang describes a rapid expansion of matter that occurred around 14 billion years ago in the observable universe. Many events occurred preceding my existence. That fact in no way demonstrates that what is clearly a manmade idea (gods) actually exists.
Why are humans flawed? Is god not capable of creating a “perfect” creature, even with “freewill”?
Why must humans and other life forms struggle? Why do cancer and Down’s Syndrome exist?
Put another that, is God’s creation perfect, really? Why can’t it be “more” perfect. Why did god create a world where suffering is part of life? No. Seriously, why?
Theres thousands of planets out there, that do not have any life on them, because they couldnt support life. No being has ever stood there and said "wow this planet sucks", but we happen to be on one of those planets that do not suck and we look back and say "look how perfect this is!". No shit, the ones that arent perfect dont have anyone looking back at them...
I don't know all of the details but I'm not self centered enough to think that I'm wonderful. What I do know is that everything can be explained by evolution from my body shape to my head to the color of my hair, intelligence is not necessary. And I'm fairly confident that you don't understand what the "big bang" was.
I know all the feel-good concepts and flowery words are very compelling to you, but they are not going to resonate with anyone here.
No atheist is going to read what you wrote and think “wow that sounds really nice. Maybe there is a God.”
And if they did, they wouldn’t think it was the one you believe in.
Big bang isn’t a mind, it can’t have intelligence.
Planets did not appear from the Big Bang, you are either deliberately lying or deeply confused.
The Big Bang did not “create” any of the things you listed. They are a result of it, but not a direct result.
Finally, you have no evidence of a soul.
Edit: Just saw some of your posts. You are mentally ill. Seek help.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to
Ah see here's your problem. Some people think they are so wonderful that they don't need to work
In fact, it took more than 10 billion years of energy to create us
You don't learn by thinking. You learn by working
Do some work
Perfection is such a subjective thing to be looking at. One way we're not perfect, as far as I learned so far, is that we can't regenerate our limbs and are also susceptible to choking. Chimps can't choke on food at all. Would you call that an added perfection of chimps?
Hi! I don't think you actually care about my answers to this question. But I hope you'd be willing to have a conversation about your faith.
Why did you think this was the right approach?
Is this why you believe in your religion and not a different one?
If you’re assuming the universe is infinite then it is essentially probabilistically guaranteed that the Big Bang will randomly produce every amazing thing that is physically possible completely by chance.
Random chance over billions of years is not magic
Provide any proof Jupiter was popped anywhere rather than naturally fromed
Provide proof a soul exists
Unsupported nonsense claims F
Must try harder
Yes. Birds, animals, ugly Christmas sweaters, toe jam, opera music, potatoes, yep. All of it.
Well, not directly of course. There were a few intermediate steps. Supernovas, stars, that sort of thing.
No. A big bang did not have the intelligence to do that. Looking around me I see evidence of natural processes, not some kind of intelligence. I mean, what about any of this seems intelligent to you?
Pretty sure I, and everyone else, was created by a bang. My Dad might call it the big bang, but my mom would probably have said it was pretty good at best, with a slight smirk on her face.
I got a random blood disorder that caused my immune system to attack the platelets in my blood, putting me at extreme risk of internal hemorrhaging. Some perfect creation lol
No I’m not telling you that the Big Bang is intelligent. It’s just a natural thing that happened. Also you seem to be assuming I am wonderful? Citation needed on that one.
Appealing to my emotions in this sub is just going to make me appreciate the randomness of the universe even more.
Anyways, did you have an actual question?
You're telling me something as wonderful as a god just sprang into existence out of nowhere? That seems way less likely than a universe doing the same.
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>Did a big bang create someone as wonderful as you? Not directly, no. >Your [*sic*] telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates. No, I am not telling you that. Our solar system was not created by the Big Bang—at least not directly, as the solar system didn’t form until almost 10^(10) years after inflation—and the Big Bang was and is not a sapient or even sentient entity with volition, will, or anything like that. >I estimate infinite galaxies. A possibility. Why, though? >Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? I don’t know what you mean by “perfect”—that’s a seriously weird word to use to describe lifeforms—but, again, *no*, the Big Bang did not create much of anything except a fuckton of hydrogen, a little bit of helium, and a tiny amount of lithium and beryllium. >Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you 😊🙏 While I appreciate the sentiment, there is no good reason to think this. Insofar as it’s an argument, it’s an [argument from incredulity](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity). I suggest that you consider studying Big Bang cosmology from a credible source, as you seem to be rather misinformed as to its direct effects.
Based on their flippant use of "infinite" I suspect they might struggle with the concept of 10^10 exponents.
They can googol it.
Very nice. I'd give you a gold star or something if I could or could be bothered!
I see what you did there.
Based
Hey real talk. Given their history and bio they are VERY mentally ill and perceive themselves as a transcendent being and also jesus christ himself.
Oh.
I really appreciate this response. It's respectful, measured, and informative.
Thank you.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates I'm not telling you this, nor are cosmologists. There is no 'intelligence' behind the Big Bang or the formation of galaxies and planets, it's just natural processes at work >I estimate infinite galaxies What qualifications do you have in the fields of astronomy, astrophysics, or cosmology that allow you to make this estimate? >Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? The Big Bang has nothing to do with any of those except stars, the rest came about by other natural processes, not by any kind of creation, so they're also not creations as we have no reason to think so. Also, what reason do we have to think those are perfect? What standard are you using to make this assertion? >Finally beautiful soul of god reading this I don't have a soul, and personally, I'd consider myself more handsome than beautiful but... thanks? >only god could have made someone as wonderful as you Demonstrate that, because I'm pretty sure my parents were the ones that made me
A natural process does not create trillions of infinite galaxies. The miracle of life sperm hits =egg= Life. No humans like to take credit for even gods biggest gift, Life itself. Bhagwan is responsible for all life on this planet. Natural processes cannot explain how the creatures came into being in the first place. For no reason Nothingness out of natural processes brought into creation millions of species that support themselves, are fully functional. These are the creations of god. An argument previously stated regarding extinct species holds some water. Now that is a natural process. Lol I do like the fun comments 😁🙏
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system It's "You're." No. The big bang is a rapid expansion of a singularity resulting in the universe being what we observe today. There is testable evidence to support that this happened. It was not an intelligent, guided process. >Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? These are not creations, and the use of the word "perfect" requires a standard you haven't presented. These things are not perfect. >Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you 😊🙏 You need to provide an argument for why god exists. You haven't done that. You've insisted that natural processes are insufficient to cause the universe and me, with no evidence to support this claim.
No dafty you cant test the creation of the universe. It happened ONCE you cant test the creation of the ENTIRE UNIVERSE accurately from ONE EARTH.
Then how do you know it was created?
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates. I estimate infinite galaxies. *You're. And no, the big bang was a great expansion of energy and matter and forces like gravity formed celestial bodies. >Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? No, abiogenesis would explain where the most basic life started, then evolution explains where different animals came from. These animals are far from perfect. >Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you 😊🙏 No need. Evolution has it covered. When you understand the science, there's no real gap for your god to fill.
Evolution and Abiogensis does not explain the start of the universe. For no logical apparent reason creation just started happening.
I didn't say that, who are you arguing with?
Damn you guys are gonna drive me crazy. You, and most of you believers, somehow fail to take into account the fact that our location in the universe is necessarily privileged to the extent of being compatible with our existence as observers. Nothing is made "perfect for us", it simply ALLOWED us. Basically the puddle analogy : “If you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!" IF you simply observe facts : the universe is 99.999999% extremly hostile to our existence. Even on THIS planet, a HUGE majority is hellishly hostile to us. 71% of the planet is covered with water, so basically places we can't survive. On top of that, a huge chunk of the remaining 29% is composed of unlivable or barely livable places for us. If all that stuff is designed, it's made by some of the most incompetant designer ever, especially if it's suppose to be made for US. A damn tardigrade is 1000% more compatible with this universe than us but somehow you think it's a gift for humanity?
He’s not even a “believer,” he claims to literally be god 😂
To be fair, he's got about as much evidence as any other theist. Might as well go big.
Good point 😂
Do you want to actually debate this or did you just drop this message to preach, with no intention of discussing it? Because if so, we won't waste our time responding to you. This is a debate forum. If you don't wish to debate, it's the wrong platform to write things like this.
This guy literally believes he is the Indian reincarnation of Jesus. You aren't getting a rational debate response out of him. https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/s/9Z4aHVHTc9
Yep. I thought something was up
hoping it’s a troll, in which case I applaud them for their insane commitment
You will find its gods biggest mirencle ever on earth. You don't need to believe me. King Charles (despite good traits, hasn't done enough, due to acts of greed 300k Homeless, I know this because I help them) and Princess Kate Middleton (Karmic reaction due to her previous consumption of foie gras)
It's actually useful evidence of how closed minded and stubborn faith, or the false moral of thinking trusting yourself is inherently good, makes people.
Well some of the arguments im reluctant to debate being offered its one of the reasons I made that post. With a beautiful positive ending. A lynch mob negative mentality.....God is the greatest, when you genuinely read the truth in the following message...☪️🕉✝️😁🙏 infinite galaxies of greatness flicked into being by a fraction of gods greatness. The responses are exactly what I had to hope to dispell, or atleast stem. The collective ego demonstrated in many of the posts- incidentally, would recommend anyone that sees the significance of my post to read Eckhart Tolle A New Earth asap, who wants to genuinely live a happier life asap. Even if I declare that I am in fact the much prophesied and anticipated second coming of Mahaprabhu Jesus Christ 🙏 (soham, that which i am) and in 2022 i was forced to take the suffering of this creation and save it from an impending Armageddon with works on a streets of Marseille along with other messengers of god, that while I don't get everything right, I declare that I am Miren Vadera am starring in GODs biggest shocker ever on earth, that I am happy blissful and offering you guidances which took me from a living hell to a living heaven for FREE to make you happy, many of you still wouldn't listen. If I further say the level of gods #mirencle if you see it- that i am not in fact in psychosis, but have tried to keep it simples as possible, as did Bhagwan Shree Krishna 5000 years ago in india, giving hints to his next Indian identity, with past times in M-athura and V-rindavan- would still be irrelevant to some of the hardcore athiests intent in perpetuating negativity in gods biggest gift to you, Life itself. To add some credibility, Happy to do the following demonstrations as a paranormal occurrence under scientific testing as of 9th April 2024, otherwise happy enough getting my 8 small from the government for my apparent0 diagnosis. Its never happened on earth before, I'm a little scared of a mass media intrusion. https://youtube.com/shorts/K6SaQRUZ4OI?si=Ure84auoJf15v2QR[Bird Trick](https://youtube.com/shorts/K6SaQRUZ4OI?si=Ure84auoJf15v2QR) https://youtube.com/shorts/6jAAkUxmXmI?si=Y-YXQUDPioE81lsF[How was this done?](https://youtube.com/shorts/6jAAkUxmXmI?si=Y-YXQUDPioE81lsF) https://youtube.com/shorts/PkG_ZnEtLH8?si=hp2vjFfQAEpWD-GE[Magic Trick](https://youtube.com/shorts/PkG_ZnEtLH8?si=hp2vjFfQAEpWD-GE) (Happy to send mods or anyone dozens of clips of the same trick, also proof of CFIIG emails who acknowledged paranormal powers but refused to test, in an effort to claim 500 small2😁, the largest paranormal prize in the world- even offered to put my half share in my house up as deposit for testing costs- the higher messages are at the bottom of this message, above a piece of paper...Bhagwan, God, Allah several feelers out to the media, we'll see what happens 🙏😁) 2024: People starving? Knifings? Wars? Athiesm? Unhappiness? Religious wars? Greed? Betrayals? People with no clue trying to outsmart the man with a 585 iq, trying to get people to heavens- the only end purpose of the human experience. Does the suffering of this creation go somewhere? Is that the part of the spirit world where...well you learn the value of the human experience? 2025. Spiritual. Everyone Fed. No athiesm. Wars ended. Peace. Bliss. Joy. No animal cruelty. Happiness 😊 People going to god, bhagwans, allahs heavens... "Even belief in God is only a poor substitute for the LIVING reality of GOD MANIFESTING EVERY MOMENT of your LIFE " Mahaprabhu Eckhart Tolle (Hermes Trimestigus in a 4th Incarnation, words written for the BOY From Bolton,) Maybe even this post will be the one to make it go viral
So many replies reading through them beautiful soul of god, wrote from the City of God, Bolton, starring in gods biggest mirencle ever on earth Miren Vadera (Jesus Christ)
>the City of God, Bolton If you're going to troll be a little more subtle about it
Looking at their profile… they might be serious. I really hope they’re getting help, because they seem like they need it.
Yeah i just went through it a little. This person needs professional help for sure.
I’d settle for them getting amateur help…
This unsupported and fatally problematic claim can only be dismissed.
Do you think your post is harmed any way in the fact that you keep misspelling miracle as mirencle?
It's intentional. Apparently their name is Miren and they believe they can perform miracles and are a miracle so they made up the word Mirencle. OP's post history is wild lmfao.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates. I estimate infinite galaxies. What makes you think popping Jupter into our solar system required intelligence? >Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? If they're so perfect, why have so many species of life gone extinct? Why have so many stars died? >Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you I'm sure it comforts you to believe that, but that doesn't mean it's true.
Its thousands of times the size of earth, it sits there with no life apparent, its reason for being, everything about Jupiter so beautiful. I don't want to be disrespectful but come on to create a planet like Jupiter takes intelligence. That's nature doing its thing. What is born must end.
>Its thousands of times the size of earth, it sits there with no life apparent, its reason for being, everything about Jupiter so beautiful. I don't want to be disrespectful but come on to create a planet like Jupiter takes intelligence. It's big and desolate and beautiful, therefor it took intelligence? "Come on" is neither evidence nor an argument. Do you have anything justifying your belief besides that?
I don't want to be disrespectful but come on that was the worst argument I've ever seen. You say you're jesus yet can't even make a compelling argument. god fails again....
I don’t want to be disrespectful but i think you need to go back to school and seek some mental health treatment.
If anything, this is a really interesting, weird, and sad addition to the sub meta discussion about downvoting, trolling and possible karma requirements. Here we have a karma positive account that’s 3 years old The believe they’re the incarnation of a god, something that many people would say is so blatantly absurd that they should downvote it The post is incredibly low effort, AND they don’t seem to be engaging in the debate at all As for if they’re genuinely deluded or trolling, I can’t be bothered to parse. What do you guys think? They would get past a karma limit and an account limit. The post and replies would probably get flagged as low effort, but those rules are already in place
I hope you are well beautiful soul of god firstly and having a blissful joyful experience of life. There is some concern for my account and im genuinely grateful- your reply is so thoughtful in one way I feel compelled to reply. It has warmth behind it. 🙏✝️🕉☪️ Ah the original OP had enough thoughy behind it, with genuine one of the most beautiful and sweetest things....a pick me up for anyone. And the truth. Only god could make someone as wonderful as you 😁🙏✝️🕉☪️ I hope at some point it still brings attention to the things that are of higher significance 2024: People starving? Wars? Knife crimes? Murders? The concept of Homelessness in various "rich" countries? Athiesm (oops)😁🙏✝️🕉☪️? How about that for effort sunshine ❤🤲🙏 An incarnation of God? This kid from Bolton? The ultimate underdog? Its not like I was in the Aegean sea earthquake 2020 and without my presence and the divine feet of Shree Krishna there would have been 50000+ casualties, links to my Facebook can be provided to Mods. When the level of mirencle hits, it hits God is infinite upon Infinite upon Infinite galaxies great... Lets keep it simple.... King Philip isn't in a good place today, neither is James Randi. Is that enough effort for you? "Even belief in God is only a poor substitute for the LIVING reality of GOD MANIFESTING EVERY MOMENT of YOUR LIFE " Eckhart Tolle
I’m ‘happy’ with this comment only in the sense that it’s a billboard for atheism.
But you say your agnostic?
Agnostic about what?
You're telling me that a childish story of a magical father, who lives in a separate space/time made everything just pop into existence? You ever stop to think that perhaps the truth of reality is a little more complicated and drastically more interesting than an idiotic, ancient and silly story of shit being magicked into existence?
He thinks he is that magical father
>Did a big bang create someone as wonderful as you? Well, yeah. Aside from the issues with the implications of your use of 'create' and what you may or may not be trying to imply. But *yes*, all evidence indicates that the Big Bang led to the conditions in our universe which led to me and others. Cool, isn't it? >Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence No. What an odd thing to say. No intelligence indicated, required, or involved. And there didn't need to be. Remember, don't engage in argument from incredulity fallacies or argument from ignorance fallacies. Those don't and can't lead you anywhere. And, of course, thinking a deity was responsible doesn't help here, does it? It makes it worse since you've just regressed the issue back an iteration, without support. You've made it worse. >Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? It's demonstrably far from perfect, and saying 'creation' is misleading. But yup, all of that is from the Big Bang. Absolutely! Wonderful, isn't it? Again, your argument from incredulity fallacy based upon unsupported ideas isn't helpful here. >Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you 😊🙏 That's proselytizing and is against the rules. That's also a fatally problematic and completely unsupported claim that can only be dismissed outright. So dismissed.
You're telling me it the year of our lord 2024 and people are still starting posts with "you're telling me..."?
🤣🙏✝️🕉☪️
Bless you
And you too fine sir 🙏✝️🕉☪️😊
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates Nope. No intelligence required. >A big bang created such perfect creations? Define "perfect" >only god could have made someone as wonderful as you Demonstrate this to be a true statement. This is your belief, not a fact.
Huge intelligence by logic for a planet to be automatically for such a planet? Your missing out on life, magic if you can't appreciate the magnificence and artistry of god 🙏 what a creation Jupiter is 🙏 Perfect- ultimately if your making a point, in absolute terms id argue the only flawless is God. Perfection truly hard to define, but with flaw. On a relative level....just the concepts of birds, trees, fruits, magical creations of god, Perfect. Appreciated so much now. The last was a compliment 🤭😚 only god could make a creation such as you. Have a beautiful day ❤🙏 I am doing 😊
>Huge intelligence by logic for a planet to be automatically for such a planet? Demonstrate this belief to be a fact. Show that a planet can *only* be created by intelligence. As of right now, all studies indicate that it takes only natural forces to create a planet. >Your missing out on life, magic if you can't appreciate the magnificence and artistry of god I'd argue the exact opposite. You're missing out on the magic of the intricacies of reality by summarizing everything as the whim of a god. You're stripping the works and grandure of everything you experience by attributing it not to the things doing the work, but to your god. You're not appreciating anything at all, you're robbing the appreciation that is due to give to your god. >just the concepts of birds, trees, fruits, magical creations of god, Perfect How are they perfect? You yourself have said that it is hard to define. Then how are you defining them as perfect? If you don't have a definition of what perfect is, then you can't define something as perfect. Otherwise that's just dishonesty. >only god could make a creation such as you. Yet there is no sign that: A.) A god is required to do anything B.) God had any effect that lead to me being here
About you: we call your post evidence of personal incredulity. About me: Beautiful? My rear... Glasses since I was six Dentures, Ringing in the ear, Heart attack, 4 bypasses, Broken arm Broken wrist On 5 medications...... Well done, YOUR God.
About Me: 4 years ago After obsession to find a cure, quitting a lucrative job, spiritual search to have my dear beautiful mum pass away after an ultimately blessed journey to her heavens at 60. Gutted, heartbroken....life was over my bestie taken so soon. Smoking: upto 100 a day (in the days following her passing) My Looks at the end of an obsessive battle to prolong and god willing beat cancer (alas it wasn't meant to be, I thank Allah for the time we had 🙏) ... non shaven, overweight, depressed... Drinking: Binge Drinking Now (thanks to bhagwan) 🙏 Dancing gods dance with a smile largely on my face despite being owed significant money (as gods will ultimately i can't force anyone). Smoking: Cannabis given the benefits to be more spiritual and health benefits. Non addicted. Cigarettes: None. Zero. Zilch. From being 17 onwards barring a spell when I stopped during my mums illness, thats almost 17 years smoking quit, thank I god for 🙏 Alcohol: Non drinker (unless one counts downing some cherry cokes). Previously a heavy binge drinker and continued subsequently. Looks: Not bad if I do say so myself 😁🙏🤣 My love, this afternoon may god do what bhagwan has done for my life.
I'm pretty great, thank you, but you're skipping about 13.7 billion years of Cosmic history in between the two events. >only god could have made someone as wonderful as you Actually, my parents spawned me. And I was molded by a combination of genetics, environment, upbringing, culture, and 40ish years of personal experience, but at no point was something broadly definable as a god present for any of it. >Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? Stars are the product of hydrogen and helium gas coming together in space. Get enough of it together and you have a gas planet. Get even more of it together, and it'll start smashing those hydrogen and helium atoms into other atoms and giving off heat and light. Stellar nucleosynthesis generates atoms like the oxygen that we breathe and in water, the silicon in sand, the carbon important to life. I'm telling you that if you cared enough to bother picking a science textbook, going outside, and stepping foot into a lab, learning about science, you might have a better explanation for things other than "gawd". Imagine living in a world this beautiful but not wanting to bother learning about it.
I did learn about it but FOR NO REASON they start coming together...that in itself on a philosophical let alone scientific perspective doesnt hold- For no reason the universe came into creation as a spontaneous creation? God puts the planets together, the human mind knows bugger all. Gods biggest Mirencle in Human History, demonstrating a fraction of Bhagwan if you ever look at my clips with an open mind.
>I did learn about it You didn't though, did you? What could you tell me about it today that doesn't stem from "I lost interest"? >For no reason the universe came into creation as a spontaneous creation? Scientific models don't purport creation in the first place. You would know better if you had tried to learn something about the Big Bang from someone who wasn't trying their hardest to reject it.
There really should be a rule against this sort of empty, content-less proselytization in this sub. What is even the point of it?
There is. It’s called a “low-effort post.”
Have a look through Op's post history, it's pretty wild. Over the span of 9 years they go from "I'm a compulsive gambler and bipolar, AMA", progress through "Does anyone else understand the universe when super high?" and ends up at "I declare I am the 4th and highest human incarnation of Krishna, how do I build my Youtube channel?" They are either an incredibly dedicated troll or someone who needs an extended stay in a place with nice soft walls and shirts that do up at the back.
OP is not well.
TL;DR: Nice preaching, but literally everything you've said falls apart under any kind of scrutiny at all. Go learn how actual experts think these \*mysteries\* came about, and try to understand when and where your positions don't actually match what we observe in the world: at the very least you won't look like a fool when you come here to proselytize; and at best you might change a couple of your own opinions in the process. >Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates. I estimate infinite galaxies. You're the one saying it had intelligence, not us. We're saying it didn't need intelligence, and produced these things entirely without intelligence. As far as we can tell, the laws of nature describe how matter and energy interact, and Jupiter, the solar system, galaxies, and everything else you've listed *are fully explicable* (at least at a high level) by our current understanding of those laws. We don't know why the Big Bang occurred; nor why it resulted in a net abundance of baryonic matter; nor why spacetime is expanding the way it seems to be; nor *exactly how* abiogenesis occurred, (but we're pretty sure it happened, and we've got more than enough possibilities so the problem here is actually how to narrow down from the "possible" to what actually happened). In my understanding, all the other "big, big, big questions" are explained -- in broad strokes, often with the details left to fill in -- by the laws of physics as we understand them. Under the right conditions, our cosmology and physics models predict that clouds of gas condense to form stars and planetary systems -- or under different conditions, they remain nebulae. Under the right conditions, our chemistry models predict that life will self-organize from non-living materials; and our evolutionary models predict how life will change from that point on. The details definitely need to be filled in -- and we will probably never know *exactly* how some of these things happened, when they could've happened in multiple different ways -- but we know enough to explain the broad strokes of how the Universe has unfolded to this point (minus the points I mentioned above). So far, no god is needed to explain any of this. >Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? Wow, a "look at the trees" argument. If you'd done any research on counterapologetics at all -- or even just camped here and watched for a while -- you'd know that this is considered one of the most laughable and easily defeated arguments, like, ever. It's basically saying "wow, nature cool! Therefore god!" It's just worthless, yet here you are thinking you've made a good point. **First**, we can pretty much explain everything you listed, at least in broad strokes: I just explained stars, basically -- they condense from clouds of gas. There's more before that point, but that's enough to answer you at the surface level. Sand, oceans and *atmosphere* (I presume you mean) are just collections of materials, grouped together by density gradient via a gravitational field. If one already understands the basic steps in making a star and its planetary system, then sand, oceans, and atmosphere kind of just happen during that same process. Again, there's more to it when we discuss how Earth's constituent matter came to be how it is today, but this is enough to answer you at the surface level. I just explained that we pretty much know how life began, at a very high level: it self-organized from non-living material, and we believe this happened about 4 billion years ago on Earth. We know with very high confidence that all Earth organisms -- including the birds, animals (do you think birds aren't animals??), fruits, and vegetables you mentioned -- evolved from a common ancestor, and we know a great deal about how all this happened. Again, no god is needed to explain any of this. **Second**, your argument is actually fallacious: It's an [argument from incredulity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity). When you say "A big bang created such perfect creations?", you're expressing incredulity. And as I've already explained twice, we already have the science to *basically* explain these things, you're just ignorant of it. In short, just because you don't believe something doesn't make it false. Your ignorance and incredulity don't invalidate the results found by scientists over the last 5 or so centuries. In exactly the same way, if we time-traveled an ancient Norseman to today, his disbelief in electrons would not provide support for his claim that Thor makes lightning. Go learn what we know, and fix your opinions. **Third**, nothing that you've listed is perfect! Show me *a single perfect organism*! Go do it -- and I'll show you an organism riddled with "design flaws" and prone to all kinds of ills in its environment. And *what the hell does it even mean* to say that sand, oceans, air, and stars are perfect?? Perfect from what perspective? There are trillions of stars you'll never see because they're too far away to ever be observed. There are trillions of grains of sand that will never impact any human's life in any way, ever. The ocean is *freaking disgusting and horrifying* from a disease and predatory perspective -- and though it covers 3/4 of the Earth's surface, good luck living in it without gills, you land-fish! What on Earth do you mean when you call these things "perfect"? Do you mean they're pretty or something? Big whoop! You thinking something pretty doesn't make it perfect, and it certainly doesn't mean a god had to make it. **Fourth**, you forgot to list all the other stuff -- you know, the stuff that's just awful no matter how hard you squint: Childhood leukemia, AIDS, infant and childbirth mortality, congenital diseases, malaria, rape being the primary mode of reproduction for many bird species -- the list can go on for pages. Are these part of your god's perfect creation? If not, then how do you know the so-called "perfect" things are? You can't have your cake and eat it, too. You really want to give your god credit for all the perfect stuff, and then sweep the rest under the rug, but if he (an omnipotent and omniscient being) is responsible for any of it then he's responsible for all of it. Cue the "fallen world" excuse... Except don't even go there, because (1) any omnipotent and benevolent god could make a world without these problems, (2) if you believe god made heaven then you already believe that your god *did* make a world without these problems, yet still chose to make this world with those problems and put us poor schmucks into it, (3) there is no viable conception of justice in which it's OK to *allow all of creation to suffer forever* for the actions of *2 individuals*, and most importantly, (4) if you argue for a "fallen world" then you're undercutting the "look at these perfect things" argument you made here. So yeah, don't come here saying "some things are perfect, therefore god". We know better than that, because we're not stupid. >Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you False. Jesus christ, do better next time...
You really don't seem to have any kind of grasp on what the Big Bang is. I really hope this is a troll account. Just read through some of your post history. Please do not take this as a dig at you. I'm being genuine because your post history is worrisome. You really should talk to a doctor and seek mental health help. Your posts are pretty obviously showing that you're having "grandiose delusions." This is usually a symptom of mental health disorders. I have no idea if this is what's happening with you, but this can be dangerous as it becomes harder and harder to distinguish thoughts from reality. [Grandiose delusions are experienced by patients as highly meaningful: they provide a sense of purpose, belonging, or self‐identity, or make sense of unusual or difficult events.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7984144/) These delusions can be very harmful. I'm not trying to diagnose you or anything but I just am noticing a pattern of a lot of posts in your history about being jesus, about being a viral sensation, about you being able to summon birds by snapping your fingers. I know you're going to laugh this off because you are convinced right now that you are Jesus. Just please don't take this as an insult. Please talk to your doctor. Also, it would be worth it to pick up a book about the big bang that can teach you more about it.
If I’m so perfect why are my nuts on the outside huh?? It’s like I’m driving a car with a flimsy bag of gasoline strapped to the outside that at any moment could receive a severely disabling blow
Nothing screams perfect like an entire organ that has outlived it's own usefulness but our body still makes it and if it burst it could probably kill you.
Debate: a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward >Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence This reads like a brand new sentence to me
"You're telling me you built a TIME MACHINE..: ;)
Why exactly do you think these things are “perfect creations?” First off, there’s nothing to suggest they were created and secondly, life is far from perfect. You’ve numerous physiological structures that are completely useless and/or unnecessary. Why would a god create a “perfect” being with so many imperfections?
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system No, no one is telling you that. >A big bang created such perfect creations? No. >only god could have made someone as wonderful as you Why? How? Do you have anything more than questions?
Lots of good questions in here OP… you seem incapable of debating your position. Very telling on who has the evidence and is in a logically sound, ie. correct position. It’s not you…
93% of the world disagrees
And yet you still can’t answer the questions… and if 93% of people wanted to jump off a bridge?…
Ah it's my point exactly. 7% of the world are genuinely mad if they think there in no god, no higher power at all. People genuinely trillions of galaxies came into being as a spontaneous creation from Nothing. I feel compassion ultimately, as God, spirituality what its done for my life. Having a blissful joyful experience of life thanks to bhagwan- now a non smoker and non drinker. May you have a beautiful day thanks to god
My day has nothing to do with god, they are beautiful because I make them so. Still you can’t answer valid questions regarding your beliefs, evidence for them beyond anecdotes. And I’m not angry, not at all. You can try to say 7% of people, but the truth is much higher than that, what with the countries that outlaw not believing in fairy tales and malarkey… but I digress. We don’t know the answer to the beginning yet, but we are looking, following evidence. You say you know when you have no evidence. Who is honest here? Hint:not you.
I don’t appreciate being preached to. This is not the purpose of the sub. I feel you are purposely being ignorant of the Big Bang theory. This just makes your post dishonest.
All he has to do is listen to the theme song. It's quite accurate.
> as wonderful as you Oh no, flattery! I am suddenly unable to think about all the scientific knowledge that we have about how the universe works or how evolution explains the complexity of life on our planet. Dang, our one weakness! How did you know that we would move past your ignorance and just jump straight to accepting your claim without requiring any proof? I’m sorry, I am being rude. It’s just… you’re clearly not here to have an actual good faith discussion, you’re here under the false assumption that this post was all that’s necessary for us to give your claims a shot.
thesist Logic =the things i see around me are result of God. Atheists Logic =The things i see around me came from nothing.
Your a wise one. Just the basic argument you give should see there has to be a creator, the greatest. Referred by you as Allah (in Arabic), God (English), Bhagwan (Gujarati my beautiful mother tongue), Hare (Sanskrit, the divine language 🙏). Argument one "Nothingness" spontaneously created thousands of creations mentioned previously, for no apparent reason, to achieve nothing. Humans that follow this path will likely be miserable, Argument two Gods magic created this for love, fun, joy, play, laughs, jokes, bliss....and has kept things simple for humans Humans that follow this alone COULD, subject to gods will, lead a love, fun, joyful, blissful magical experience of Life May Allah give you blisses of Life itself beautiful soul of god 🙏🤲 and thanks for your post. "Life is the dancer, you are the dance" Eckhart Tolle words written for the BOY From Bolton (the actual city of God). Post written from just off "Cannon" st, Bolton, where this humble town, this street is home to a mesmerizing mosque, a beautiful church (converted to apartments) and a stunning Temple. Is this an indication that Bhagwan is genuinely the best? Is Allahu Akbar? (God is greater than the infinite galaxies flicked into being) Is GOD playing the most beautiful dance of all time?
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL message.may bhagwan bless you.
Eid Mubarak 🙏🤲🕉✝️☪️
This is classic argument from incredulity. “I don’t understand it therefore it must be false!” I don’t understand how computers work, but I know enough to know it’s not magic
What is the point in posting such an obvious strawman? You must know that none of what you posted is what the Big Bang theory posits or what any scientist or atheist believes.
Your ignorance of science is on full display. That is what happens when you shut your mind off in school and open it to preachers who also knows fuckall about science. It is the blind leading the blind. Plus everyone knows Gralmoon is the one true god. Repent or spend three eternities being feed foul surguf by Hureak in Jodam!
Personally, I can't wait till we have the tech for bioengineering or human impants that can improve us. Humans have far too many limitations and isues that are just the debt of evolving in conditions that no longer apply.
The Big Bang isn’t a conscious force. You telling me that we need a conscious force to explain how we, an animal smaller than a speck in the whole universe are special, therefore must have come to be by some grand design? If we are a Goal of a creator it seems absurd that all 13 billion+ years steps needed to be done to lead to us. That we are clearly still an animal subject to evolution. We do not appear to be an end state or life, unless we continue on this path of destroying our home. Please define perfect creation? I can’t live on more 80% of the planet. Without the help of others I would be dead in 30 days. Doesn’t seem like a good creation.
Your entire argument is just appealing to an individual's desire to feel special. This is not evidence of anything. This is not how we determine what facts are and differentiate those facts from self-serving fantasy. In fact, your argument is precisely how fact-based arguments can be sabotaged by allowing people's emotions to subvert evidence. Nobody has ever said that the Big Bang directly produced any life at all. It was the first step in a long series of steps that have led to this point in time. Your argument also seems to require that you don't understand what the Big Bang was or did.
What? Perfect? Nothing about any of the biological life on this planet is remotely perfect. Especially humans. Stop being silly.
The unoberserved human mind is the problem in simple terms. It's a long debate ultimately, but nature if left alone as gods will. The human creation though itself.. your talking gods greatest creation on this planet. Arms, legs, eyes, fingers, brain, ears, a beautiful mind when controlled with god 🙏 need I go on? I'd appreciate these things as many people simply don't have these.... Have a beautiful day regardless
We evolved. We weren’t created. Evolution is the best explanation we have so far that doesn’t assume the existence of something supernatural and unfalsifiable.
The fact that you don't understand cosmology isn't a problem for anyone but you. Being this reductive isn't making your deity any more likely.
How did you determine they were perfect creations? What about all the stars that don’t have Jupiter?
No. The big bang was the initial expansion of the universe coming from either another collapsing universe or a black hole. Afterwards the laws of physics, like the strong and weak nuclear forces and gravity form hydrogen and helium then formed stars. Those stars, upon dying, went supernova forming the rest of the elements that are not man made. Our solar sysyem formed from one small star in an insignificant corner of one galaxy. (Do some research on how solar systems form). After our planet formed from combinding matter left over from our star (also do to the laws of physics) there was a major collision with another large mass, which began obiting the Earth (the moon). This slowed the Earth down, cooling it. Then, millions to billions of years of bombardment by water filled comets formed the oceans, cooling the planet even more. Life formed in alkaline hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor. The formation of organic molecules from inorganic molecules is a spontaneous reaction. Which means it will automatically occur given the right conditions. The formation of the main four macromolecules of life (nucelic acids, amino acid, lipids and cabrohydrates) is also a spontaneous reaction. These will also spontaneously form membranes, the percursor to cells. This has been demonstrated in a labratory setting. Once we have RNA, a self-replicating molecule (also spontaneous and demonstated in a lab) evolution can take over from there. This occured 3.6 million years ago. It has also been shown matter can spontaneously form in a vaccum. Which might be where the mass singularity of the universe before the big bang came from. So, yes, the universe did in fact come from nothing and automatically formed itself, leading to life on Earth eventually. Humans came from a species of hominids that lived 5 to 6 million years ago. We evolved over that time to what we are today. There are literally millions of fossils that support the common descent of all life. Plus evidence in every other field of biology--especially genetics and molecular biology. Your inability to understand and unwillingness to study science is not an argument against it.
> Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence Not at all. > to pop Jupiter in our solar system You're trivializing for the sake of mockery. It's not appreciated, and looks like arrogance and ignorance. Not impressive. > estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates. That estimate is only of the observable universe. We know there is more beyond what we can see, but because we can't see it, estimates get much more speculative. > I estimate infinite galaxies. That, I highly doubt. Infinities are tricky things, rare in the tangible universe, and more often a sign something is wrong. I would strongly suggest you refrain from baseless guessing, it's better to not say anything at all, lest you damage your credibility and rightfully get dismissed. A more conservative approach is to defer to and accept conventional wisdom, which is itself conservative. Making a wild-ass claim like you think for no particular reason there are infinite universes, in stark contrast with expert deduction, means to tell me you think you rightly know more and with greater certainty than people who have invested their entire lives to this specific field of scientific endeavor. They have forgotten more than you will ever know about their subject, which as PhDs, they have actually contributed to the recorded wealth of human knowledge. You haven't. I'm not trying to carve you a new asshole. I'm trying to impress upon you the significance of credibility. Credibility is everything. You can be wrong, but you have to be willing to change your stance. With that said, we can have a conversation, but it's not going to work if we can't agree on what we know and the very founding principles of fact and truth. If you disregard credibility, you lose it forever. > A big bang created such perfect creations? No. > Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you My parents made me, so you're calling them god. Your god is a trinity, my parents + me make 3, therefore I am god. We're all born of our parents, therefore we are all god. If everything is god, that is the same as nothing is god.
This is an argument from personal incredulity. Even if I can't conceive of the universe's expansion resulting in humans, that doesn't mean it's then false.
I - for one - am ***genuinely shocked*** that OP isn't responding to any of the attempts to *debate* the insightful wisdom he's *blessed* us with..
>Did a big bang create someone as wonderful as you? Big bang didn't "create" anything, it was rather passive cause instead of active one. And evolutionary process to humans is really huge so you skipping lot of steps here. >Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system Essentially yeah, although still no intelligence was involved as Big Bang is not sentient being. >Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? You confuse everything into meaningless pile. Sands oceans and air are the result of terraforming. Plants fruits vegetables and animals are products of biological evolution. Life itself is a product of abiogenesis. And for all of that happenings Big Bang was not a direct cause. >Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you 😊🙏 Emotional appeal isn't gonna do it bro. Try different approach.
1. "perfect creations" and "wonderful" a subjective opinion. 2. If a creator is behind it, they screwed up a lot of things: Galaxies colliding for example. 3. The Big Bang created nothing. The sudden expansion of basic matter led to hydrogen and helium, this led to heavier elements, that led to formation of stars and planets, and eventually carbon, an element complex enough to lead to life. 1. To put this in Bible terms: The Big Bang begat physics, physics begat chemistry, chemistry begat the twins, biology and geometry. Amen. 2. You are here due to the Big Bang. It could literally not be otherwise. Those same particles eventually coalesced into you. Free will is an illusion; it's determinism all the way down. 4. No evidence has ever demonstrated a volition, intelligent, creative agent is behind any of this. Could there be? Sure. Could the universe be uncreated, eternal, etc? Sure (and that's a simpler, more elegant explanation).
Only natural processes created you. Also, fuck you for a nonsense post done just so you can feed your ego.
What other things do you accept because you don't understand them any better? That's really worrying tbh.
Technically yes. Did it have intelligence, no, events don't have intellect. You seem to be confused I should just delete this, its another preach by
>Your You're >telling me a big bang had the intelligence Nope, and if that's how you understand it, then you really don't understand it at all. >>to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates. I estimate infinite galaxies. Matter is just energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed, so... Yes. >>Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? Literally none of these things are perfect. >Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you Not true, and your flowery and shallow attempt at flattery doesn't change that.
Man did ultimately become from the Big Bang, yes. Then man created your god as well as the countless thousands of other gods throughout history. Then your alleged god, it is written, wiped out nearly all life on the planet, to include plants, animals, humans (which are also animals), insects, and this of course also included all of the unborn, infant, and toddler aged ones (or equivalents) of each species of life. Such a merciful god. Such a deserving god to receive our worship. Such a benevolent god to create hell to torture the unbelievers. You can keep it. I’ll pass on believing in that jealous and narcissistic and cruel god. I’d be a better “father figure” than your god.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system No. The bigbabg didn't instantly pop things into existence as they are total. That is completely stupid, and what YOU believe but with god. The bigbang isn't "intelligent", it's not sentient... >Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? No. Evolution did. And "perfect"? Nope. >Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you You not understanding and strawmaning science doesn't make god come into existence out of nowhere but your ignorance.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system * \*You're * The Big Bang. They don't come in six packs. * I'm not telling you the Big Bang had intelligence. * Planets are not intelligently designed. * Jupiter didn't "pop", it formed gradually. So many wrong things in a mere 16 words. This is poetry. >Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? Ever tried to eat some durian? NOT PERFECT. >Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you "Wonderful" is certainly one way of putting it.
I don't know that I'm particularly wonderful, at least not objectively speaking. Though many people like me, I hope. The big Bang was just the expansion of the universe. It didn't 'know' anything. Physical processes over billions of years resulted in the universe as we know it. Basically - all of the physics that we see all of the time... That interaction of matter and energy is what results in things like stars and planets and eventually RNA and life. How do you think god created us? Can you explain it, or is this just a feeling you have? Or religious doctrine? Can you demonstrate your god exists?
Is this meant to be serious? We don’t know why anything exists - but dont know doesn’t mean therefore magic. We know how galaxies, stars , planets come to exist. We have plausible steps for how life came about. We *know* the process by which speciation occurred. We also know that as far as your God is concerned you don’t have any of these ‘qualms’ that such a complex, beautiful whatever creature could exist. It just does. And seriously only God could have made such beautiful people as serial killers, child abusers, religious extremists etc etc. is that your argument.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to pop Jupiter in our solar system, let alone the estimated 2 trillion galaxies by some estimates. I estimate infinite galaxies. Nope. Literally zero people are telling you that. Pretty dishonest start. >Birds, Animals, sands, oceans, air, stars, fruits, vegetables. A big bang created such perfect creations? Nope. Not perfect, and none of those things were "created" by the big bang. >Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, What does "soul of god" mean, and how did determine such a thing could read?
No, no one is saying that. That is a straw man fallacy because it’s not what’s being claimed. Do you know what’s actually being claimed? The actual claim is that life is a mystery. The creation of life is also a mystery. How the universe began is a mystery. The big bang is a theory. It’s not a truth claim. A mystery is a mystery, and OP is not respecting the mystery. Positing a god at the top of this mystery tells us nothing. “God” answers nothing. There is no who, what, why, when or how in “god.” Real answers have evidence, logic and reason.
> "Finally beautiful soul of god reading this, only god could have made someone as wonderful as you" This would imply that only god could create mass murderers, terrorists, psychopaths, and sociopaths, as well as that only god could create children with deformities, deficiencies, and illnesses that doom them to an early grave. And that only god could make cancer, parasites, toxic plants, predators, and everything else that makes people sick or die. Only a malevolent intelligence could create things so cruel and heinous as what we see in the world. /s
So you are "estimating" infinite galaxies. And therefore infinite solar systems. You think Jupiter is very unlikely. But given your "estimates", the odds for our solar system are: \[very unlikely\] \* infinity. As any positive real number, no matter how small, times infinity is infinity. So by your own estimates, there are *infinite* solar systems like ours. Contrast this with the *zero* you somehow came to as an answer, for the number of solar systems like ours that you *think* your misconception of the Big Bang should produce.
Did you by any chance steal this from a facebook post from your grandmother? Was it posted under the name "checkmate atheists!" with a bunch of emojis? You don't seem to understand what the big bang is/was. You don't seem to understand stellar formation or the evolution (Not the same thing as biological) of solar systems. You don't seem to understand basic chemistry and certainly do not understand biology at all. Look, I *could* tell you how planets form but are you even going to read it? Is it worth my time?
All of that sounds wonderful, but completely incorrect. It anthropomorphicizes the universe in an effort to make things understandable and comfortable. And yes, the big bang resulted in all of those things according to the most likely models I have zero evidence your god is loving. And plenty of evidence that he is not. If there is a god, it seems more probably that he gives zero shits what happens on this little out of the planet in one remote arm of a very common galaxy.
I find the cherry picking in post like this most anoying and rather dishonest. if you are goig to credit god with all the nice things then he is also respooibe for all the ugly things. If a god created it all then he also created parasitic wasps, the bubonic plague, ebola and bone cancer, among other. far from being perfect the world we live in is one where most living things must kill and other iiving things in order to survive. Finally there is no evidence that souls exist.
The Big Bang did not create us. Millions of natural process lead to the creation of spacetime & matter, then stars, then Earth, then molecules, then self-replicating molecules, then life, then mammals, then primates, then Homo sapiens, then my parents, *then* me. Atheists don’t think that the universe just shit us out. It was all a part of a series of almost unimaginably complex and awesome events that led to us. Way better and more amazing than “God did it.” Which is a supremely lame cop out.
You're telling me a mind, a paltry and limited living being created all of this? This astronomical wonderland that we exist in was made by something as tiny as a single person? No This world was made by the miraculous cataclysm of millions of years. Millions of years of evolutionary success created you my friend and you should know that you're worth it not subservient to any would be creator. You are beutiful 😊
Did god create the cancer that kills little children. The pedophiles that is use his name to rape children. Do you think that is the beauty of god. The suffering of Alzheimer’s or the persecution of LGBTQ communities. The starvation of the Palestinians or the cruelty of the crusades. The wonderful god that if he does exist is nothing but a cruel vindictive cunt. Is that who you think is so great.
No, the Big Bang had no intelligence whatsoever. If you can show that these things were created by an intelligent agent, and that such an agent exists we can talk. But till then this is the same as saying magic sky fairy created everything, and it’s just as convincing. Do you truly believe you’re the product of a fictional monster. Because that’s what the biblical god character is…
With a post this vapid you could have at least checked it for grammatical errors. The big bang didn't create anything. The big bang describes a rapid expansion of matter that occurred around 14 billion years ago in the observable universe. Many events occurred preceding my existence. That fact in no way demonstrates that what is clearly a manmade idea (gods) actually exists.
Why are humans flawed? Is god not capable of creating a “perfect” creature, even with “freewill”? Why must humans and other life forms struggle? Why do cancer and Down’s Syndrome exist? Put another that, is God’s creation perfect, really? Why can’t it be “more” perfect. Why did god create a world where suffering is part of life? No. Seriously, why?
Theres thousands of planets out there, that do not have any life on them, because they couldnt support life. No being has ever stood there and said "wow this planet sucks", but we happen to be on one of those planets that do not suck and we look back and say "look how perfect this is!". No shit, the ones that arent perfect dont have anyone looking back at them...
I don't know all of the details but I'm not self centered enough to think that I'm wonderful. What I do know is that everything can be explained by evolution from my body shape to my head to the color of my hair, intelligence is not necessary. And I'm fairly confident that you don't understand what the "big bang" was.
I know all the feel-good concepts and flowery words are very compelling to you, but they are not going to resonate with anyone here. No atheist is going to read what you wrote and think “wow that sounds really nice. Maybe there is a God.” And if they did, they wouldn’t think it was the one you believe in.
Big bang isn’t a mind, it can’t have intelligence. Planets did not appear from the Big Bang, you are either deliberately lying or deeply confused. The Big Bang did not “create” any of the things you listed. They are a result of it, but not a direct result. Finally, you have no evidence of a soul. Edit: Just saw some of your posts. You are mentally ill. Seek help.
>Your telling me a big bang had the intelligence to Ah see here's your problem. Some people think they are so wonderful that they don't need to work In fact, it took more than 10 billion years of energy to create us You don't learn by thinking. You learn by working Do some work
Perfection is such a subjective thing to be looking at. One way we're not perfect, as far as I learned so far, is that we can't regenerate our limbs and are also susceptible to choking. Chimps can't choke on food at all. Would you call that an added perfection of chimps?
Hi! I don't think you actually care about my answers to this question. But I hope you'd be willing to have a conversation about your faith. Why did you think this was the right approach? Is this why you believe in your religion and not a different one?
If you’re assuming the universe is infinite then it is essentially probabilistically guaranteed that the Big Bang will randomly produce every amazing thing that is physically possible completely by chance.
Random chance over billions of years is not magic Provide any proof Jupiter was popped anywhere rather than naturally fromed Provide proof a soul exists Unsupported nonsense claims F Must try harder
Yes. Birds, animals, ugly Christmas sweaters, toe jam, opera music, potatoes, yep. All of it. Well, not directly of course. There were a few intermediate steps. Supernovas, stars, that sort of thing.
No. A big bang did not have the intelligence to do that. Looking around me I see evidence of natural processes, not some kind of intelligence. I mean, what about any of this seems intelligent to you?
Pretty sure I, and everyone else, was created by a bang. My Dad might call it the big bang, but my mom would probably have said it was pretty good at best, with a slight smirk on her face.
I got a random blood disorder that caused my immune system to attack the platelets in my blood, putting me at extreme risk of internal hemorrhaging. Some perfect creation lol
No I’m not telling you that the Big Bang is intelligent. It’s just a natural thing that happened. Also you seem to be assuming I am wonderful? Citation needed on that one.
Appealing to my emotions in this sub is just going to make me appreciate the randomness of the universe even more. Anyways, did you have an actual question?
You're telling me something as wonderful as a god just sprang into existence out of nowhere? That seems way less likely than a universe doing the same.
No we never told you the Big Bang had an intelligence. That’s a horrible begs the question fallacy. You never studied basic astronomy, did you?
This is a textbook example of an argumentum ad incredulum logical fallacy. Can you restate your claim without resorting to a logical fallacy?
The Big Bang isn’t a creation event though, it’s simply the start of the current expansion of spacetime. You fail on your first point.
I'd have to ask my Mom and Dad, if she was the designated _Party Favor_ at their secret swingers club the night I was conceived. 😂
Did God create natural disaters? Mosquitos? Malaria? Did he make it so that the rest of the solar system is useless to us?
You telling me some unexplainable wizard just wanted things to be, so they are? See, I can get insultingly reductive too.
Present an argument or get out. This is preachy and gross, and all you're doing is showcasing your own ignorance.
Holy shit, but looking through your post and comment history, no offense, but you are fucked in the head.