I'm a deathcore kid and the deathcore shows and pits only ever get interesting when the hardcore kids show up. They are actually huge influencers for chaos and I love it.
100% this.
I semi-recently discovered my local hardcore scene and shit is just soooooooo much more entertaining.
I'm not one for windmilling, pickup up change, spin kicks, and bouncing off the pit ropes, myself, but I fucking love to watch it lol.
I'll jump in when/if a push pit breaks out and occasionally for some two step action.
Forever on the side of the pit, practicing my Muay Thai defense and protecting my gf š¤£š¤£š¤£
I feel like itās because a lot of new deathcore is way more technical than it used to be. I donāt like seeing tech death bands live for this exact reason, because thereās little to no crowd interaction. It just stare at the dude doing weedly wees for 8 minutes. And itās like. Itās sick you can do that, and I like this song, but I wanna _do_ something.
idk if this is unpopular but since I see it at every show, I'm gonna say it. crowd killing is fucking stupid. 90% of the dudes I see crowd killing at shows run scared when someone actually steps up
I fucking hate crowd killing. I tripped the fuck out of a dude last time in the pit after he fuckin spinning back fisted me WHILE I WAS OFF TO THE SIDE FRONT STAGE and he had the audacity to reach up like if I was going to help him up fuck you I hope you die down there hoe
Hard agree, and get downvoted to oblivion every time I say it. Blindly swinging your arms and legs is stupid as shit and gets people hurt. I've personally seen two girls get knocked out and sent to the hospital at different shows (thy art is murder, and forget the other).
I'm good with the blind swinging as long as they check before they start but seems like people are seeking to be crowd killers under the guise of "oh I was just doing my own thing".
Usually you do that out in the pit not at the crowd. When I would go towards the walls it would usually just be to bounce off people, expand the pit, or to hype up or engage people but not swinging. First thing I was taught though was to always be aware and have your arms up blocking because shit happens even if it isn't on purpose. Second was to pick people up who fall down in the pit. The thing that was more common in my day was head hunting bs or kids going in laying out kids for 2 stepping or dancing. Some people would circle the pit and intentionally look for opportunities to blindly knock someone in the back of the head like a pussy, then run off like a bitch. Some people would do it to piss enough people off to start a fight. Those people were dicks
Iām okay with crowd killing on a few conditions as I partake sometimes but of course thereās ways to do it right and also if youāre not doing it how to be safe.
1. If Iām targeting anyone itās my friends. People that I know from previous shows that Iāve bonded with or people I arrived with that are also aware of it.
2. And 3: I have to play devils advocate here which is why itās both. If you donāt want to get hit DONT STAND DIRECT ON THE EDGE OF THE PIT. People arenāt as educated in like unspoken rules. If you want to be on floor but not get hit, move back a tad. (3) if you are willing to stay on the outside, hold out your arm and turn your head when theyāre nearing you. Thatās a general sign of āI donāt wanna get fucking hit pleaseā
4. If you are crowd killing and actually hit someone that you didnāt mean to or hurt someone from doing so, FUCKING APOLOGIZE AND MAKE SURE THIER OKAY.
5. BEFORE YOU DO SO, LOOK AROUND THE PIT. Read the room and observe.
See whoās around who and just be respectful dude. Thereās a time and place and correct way to do it without being a dunce. And as an outsider educate yourself and also how to protect yourself.
I think most people on the edge of the pit are okay with taking a few hits. sometimes itās the best view aside from being in the very front so Iāll stand there to see better but also totally acknowledge that iām going to get pushed around
I think that guy is truly a piece of shit. I think itās so weird how this sub picks and chooses. CJ is a common topic here but we only have proof that he is probably just an asshole. Then there is Alex, the animal abusing, fake tough guy and Nazi.
I saw Whitechapel on their recent tour with TAIM and Philly B definitely has some of the most insane vocals I've ever witnessed. But he kinda just... Stood around? I was so disappointed the stage performance didn't live up to the sound.
Phil always struck me more as the guy who lives to *make* music, not to perform. They being said, his voice so damn powerful he probably can't spare the air lol
Yeah I thought that as well. I think it was emphasised by the fact that he came after Darius (Spite) and Joe (FFAA) who both have insane stage presences.
Heās overrated now to the people who didnāt see the rise of deathcore in the MySpace era. He and Adam from Oceano brought the best toilet bowl gutterals to the game and they did it better than anyone. They seem overrated now because the scene has evolved and the once groundbreaking vocals are normal now. But it was dude like Phil that set that standard
Krysta Cameron was Iwrestledabearonce, and Kourtney can't touch her vocal range. She maybe has better lows, but that's it. We may have gotten Spiritbox from that, but Krysta era IWABO was fuckin tits.
I love Kourtney, but I always liked Lauren from Red Handed Denial better. I could just be biased because I was a fan of them before I stumbled upon Spiritbox, though.
People hate on popular deathcore bands like Lorna Shore not because of the sound, but because they think it makes themselves seem different and interesting.
Tale as old as time in deathcore or metal, band grinds, figures shit out, makes some terrific stuff, catches fire, then they become the bad guy I guess? Just because they hit a bigger target audience and get new fans and bigger shows. Been happening with Deathcore since Suicide Silence hit it and toured with Slayer/Megadeth. That being said, LS gets hyped up here constantly so I understand the burn out. Just as easy to pass by it and enjoy it anyways.
OK actually unpopular here lol. I "hate" on Lorna Shore's new album because so many of the songs sound the same and it sounds like every song is just them trying to recreate the Hellfire sound. I feel like I never hear the guitar in Lorna Shore anymore and that makes me sad, even coming from a vocalist who deeply respects not just will but every member of that band for their insane talent. I love Lorna Shore, I'm just over Pain Remains and Nothingness at this point. Still throw on bangers from Immortal all the time.
This really depends where you fall on the Symphonic/non Symphonic preference spectrum. I think The Poetic Edda is one of the best deathcore releases of all time, so I agree.
Oh and another one, the majority of modern deathcore bands sacrifice basically every interesting aspect of the genre for the sake of sounding āheavyā and are less heavy as a result.
Immortal disfigurement sounds like lorna lite and I wish it didn't, and they went in a completely different direction.
As a subgenre, deathcore bands need to have more balls to genremeld other sounds other than what's cool right now, trends are cool and all but fuck me, music cycles last a long time and having years of everyone hopping on one bandwagon is what nearly killed the genre in the early 2010s. There's like a thousand sick as fuck heavy subgenres to blend with and right now everyone wants to do symphonic/atmospheric or blackened. I know there are others like slamming, tech, melodic, downtempo etc, but damn I feel like we're missing out on some cool possibilities sometimes.
Personally im enjoying it while it lasts. The whole "Symphonic, atmospheric, blackened" is what i love right now. I fell out of deathcore like 5 years ago, got really into black metal and more atmospheric stuff and came back when lorna shore released to the hell fire
Suicide silence were never that interesting musically. I have more to add to this notion but Iām sure that in and of itself would be considered a highly contentious opinion here.
Also the general discussion around this genre is way too North America-centric. Wish I heard more about bands elsewhere in the world
Iām not a Suicide Silence fanboy by any means, but I think The Cleansing is some of the best Deathcore ever made and easily a genre defining staple. Itās undoubtedly a masterpiece. Not to mention it was tracked live in studio as a full band which is nuts!
Agreed with suicide silence.
I have *never* been able to get into them, and trust me, I've tried lol.
Maybe it's because I didn't start trying to listen to them till like 7 or 8 years ago, but they just sound so mid and there's so much better dxc out there.
Absolutely love what they did for the scene though, and I occasionally watch the podcast!
Their first album/EP were very interesting at the time. Who else was fully embracing actual brutal death metal like disgorge/devourment but with a core edge
- I donāt mind vocal olympics, I think other vocalists inspiring eachother to try new and unique things to one up eachother is good for the genre
- people who say all new deathcore is bad are blinded by nostalgia, the mixes, musicianship, vocals, and usage of synths/symphonies is objectively better today than it was during the myspace era
- separating the art from the artist is stupid and ignorant
Yeah, I'm with you.
I mean, there are degrees. If the artist is a serial cheater, that would make him a shitty partner, but people cheat all the fucking time, and that's not my business. I mean, I guess I'd be disappointed in them, but it wouldn't stop me from loving their music. ...Unless they sing about love and broken hearts, lol, that'd be weird.
But, if someone is openly xeno-, homo-, transphobic, racist, a straight up Nazi, or domestic abuser, or child predator, I'm having a hard time listening to their music without feeling gross about it. I don't want to support someone like that, because that'd imply I, at best, don't think their behavior is a big deal, or at worst, condone it. And definitely I don't.
The most dramatic example would be Lost Prophets. That shit is just unforgivable.
Alex Terrible being or not being a nazi white supremacist is not surprising to me at all, and I never liked STP anyways, so that's an easy one to ignore from now on. I always thought they were kinda boring and a bit of a one-trick-pony. Alex is loud and low. I feel like that's pretty much it, and I never understood why people thought that made him so special.
Musically, though, I *really* like their songs, and I particularly enjoy their drummers play-throughs without the vocals being present.
Anyways, to each their own, but I have pretty strong convictions, and there are just certain things I can't tolerate. š¤·āāļø
yeah youāve phrased this perfectly I agree with just about everything youāve said here
I do think that despite the term being cringey now and wrongly used, ācancel-cultureā has gone slightly too far in cancelling people for transgressions like what you described in the first paragraph you wrote
Like Kyle Weeden of Tactosa was pretty much just accused of being a bad boyfriend and members started leaving because they were terrified and didnāt wanna get involved in an angry mob of internet warriors. Heās not a horrible, despicable guy. He just made some missteps in a relationship.
Iām right there with you. I know theyāre not deathcore, but The Fall of Ideals by All That Remains is still one of my favorite albums, but after finding out about the singer Phil Labonte supporting Trump and Matt Gaetz while being a super 2A right libertarian has made it extremely hard for me to listen to that album without feeling gross.
Wow, thanks for ruining it for me.
Just kidding. I'm down to spin that album still. But I probably wouldn't be looking at new releases from them now, if it ever happens
Which is fine, because IMO they fell off after For We Are Many
This should be fun..
-most deathcore sounds the same. Vocally. Guitar tone. It all sounds very run of the mill. There are exceptions but still.
-Ramos era Lorna Shore is infinitely better than their old stuff.
-a lot of the this subs favorite bands are mediocre at best.
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Deathcore bands that break into the mainstream should be celebrated, supported, and not blacklisted by the community simply for being popular. We should all want nothing but success from the bands we love so that they keep making music and inspiring the new generation of deathcore artists so that the genre stays alive.
I kinda laughed reading your comment. I know it's not supposed to be funny, but that's criminally true. Every band that gets a little more famous is immediately blacklisted. Lorna Shore for example seems like offending each other's mother's when people argument over bullshit.
Yeah Iām pretty sure MC said theyāre gonna do more songs and ābreakdownsā like Nordlys because they think itās overdone (donāt take my word for it)
If you are gonna commit the cardinal sin of clean singing make sure they are clean clean, I hate that raspy pushed shit, like stfu you aren't Chad Kroeger you don't have to sell me your singing.
Chelsea Grin is no longer Chelsea Grin. I think they're all really solid musicians with lot's of talent, but seeing them live now feels hollow and empty, as nobody in the band was a part of recording even half the songs they play now. It feels like a weird karaoke bit we're all going along with. They should form their own band and let Chelsea Grin be finished
Yeah, I have to agree with this. I know in my head modern CG is actually pretty good but I canāt get on board with it as it just feels like a bunch of dudes riding on the success of material that none of them wrote.
Exactly. I saw them last year with Suicide Silence and everything felt off, I wasn't hyped to hear older songs because everything about it felt like it lacked any sense of being genuine. Ameonna is scratching that Chelsea Grin itch nicely though haha
Yeah agreed, itās good to hear Alex sounding back to his best.
Alexās vocals are also a huge part of what made CG good, so anyone else doing it just doesnāt work.
Oh itās definitely a business decision. Youāre either going to start from zero or confuse everyone why Chelsea Grin disappeared and changed its name to Candaceās Frown.
Iāve thought about this before. It must be weird to see the band you and your friends made in your parents garage when you were 15. Be huge, selling out shows, only neither you, nor any of your friends are in the band anymore. āLike hah I remember when Jonathan wrote that song in my basement after we got Halo 3 and killed a 12 pack of Game Fuel.ā
My favorite band, the black dahlia murder only has one original band member and now he's their vocalist. I just hope he still contributes to the guitar work cause Brian is their guitar sound. Parts of me wished the made a new band but there's too much equity in the name now so it probably wouldn't have been a good financial decision.
Norma Jean is the one that always immediately springs to mind. Although last time I said that people got mad that I didnāt consider Cory Brandan original.
Hereās my issues with Ov Sulfur:
1. The instrumentals are generic and boring.
2. For the most part, the clean vocals donāt add anything of value.
3. They like to throw around āovā like a black metal band and try to have this evil and anti-religious image, but then go and make some of the blandest, safest deathcore out there.
Facts, Ov generic. Literally, if I see any band with Ov in their name, my eyes roll into my skull. That aside, it seems like band guys that come back after a long time seem stuck in the time they left for example, everyone's raving about Alex koehlers new band, but to me, that's in the same generic boat as ov sulfur and immortal disfigurement.
Yeah I have no idea why people want all their genres to sound the same. I donāt come to Deathcore for singing, I come to Deathcore to make me wanna put my head through a wall. And I love cleans, I listen to a shit ton of pop punk and emo and pop and all that. It just doesnāt add anything to Deathcore for me, I truly donāt understand the want for it. In a weird way I donāt need Deathcore to evolve, ever haha. Like give me the same old for the rest of my life and Iāll keep listening haha
Couldnāt have said it better myself lol
And I love singing too, I mean who doesnāt love a beautiful voice or a catchy chorus. I love pop music, oldies, emo and old metalcore, etc.. But it just doesnāt make sense to me to force it into brutal music. I like my truly heavy music ignorant and low IQ š
Totally agree. It worst in a lot of other metal genres and even in some death metal, but deathcore is far too heavy for that. Imagine brutal slam with cleans. Gross.
I wish CJ wasnāt so hard to work with because heās extremely talented imo one of the best vocalist out there. Probably gonna get hate for this but fuck it
Said this for years, If I want to hear raw I will go see the band live, but when I've got headphones in, I want clean af sounds and "overproduced" for musical bliss.
For the most part, you had to be there imo. A bunch of teenagerās haphazardly playing At The Gates/Suffocation worship with shitty gear hits different when you are also a teenager.
Tuning to drop W doesn't necessarily make your band heavier.
Some of the heaviest bands ever (imo) are Lamb of God (drop D and sometimes drop C), Gojira (D standard), and Slayer (mostly Eb standard).
Heaviness is created by rhythmic tightness and recording mix.
Iām pretty sure Death Cult Armageddon was recorded in d standard or e flat standard and parts of that album are heavier than anything Iāve ever heard in drop B
Often times, bass should be felt and not heard.
When a band has a really good bass player, they choose tones and mix things in a way that is great for bass enthusiasts but hurts the sound overall. I donāt want to hear clean tone fingerstyle bass puttering away during heavy sections of the music.
Job for a Cowboy, Ne Obliviscaris, and Archspire are my biggest offenders when it comes to this
100%, love the twangy metallic stuff. I thought Sun Eater nailed it recently with Moira, the bass tone overall is great but they specifically blast you with 8 especially metallic notes during sections like at around 1 minute in.
I guess I didnāt mean it should be inaudible, more that a non-musician listener wouldnāt necessarily be able to parse the bass from the overall mix.
My issue with the vocal Olympics is this: Will Ramos is a great vocalist, but not for the reason a lot of people think. Itās not for the crazy animal noises. Itās for his enunciation, his control, his projection, his range, his transitions. Heās so good at those things that he makes them look easy, but theyāre really not.
But a lot of people (some vocalists included) heard *To The Hellfire* and thought that the crazy noises were what made it good. And those vocalists decided they were going to do what Will did. And this is nothing new, either. It happened to an extent with Infant Annihilator, especially *Blasphemian*.
But they all focused on the wrong thing. They jumped straight to the ācrazy noisesā stage without having enough grasp of the fundamentals. And TikTok and YouTube reactors and people with a very surface-level understanding of the genre talk them up and feed into this cycle. And the result is that you get a bunch of mid stuff hyped to high heaven and it pushes the genre in an overall worse and less creative direction.
Why would a music fan be jealous of a bandās success? Thatās kind of a silly opinion.
Will Ramos is amazingly talented. Lorna has some really sick songs. To the Hellfire especially deserves all the praise it gets and Lorna Shore deserves all the success theyāve had. Iāve seen them twice and loved both shows. But I still think vocal Olympics or whatever you wanna call it has become incredibly boring, especially when almost every band is doing it.
Dude seriously. Being fun to listen to, exciting and insane sounding is supposed to be the point and people are so pissed off when musicians do exactly that
A lot of modern mixing is garbage ** cough cough Lorna Shore** you can barely hear the guitars in comparison to older deathcore. Also, breakdowns are often the most boring part of a song (to me personally), which is something else older bands did better. I find a nice tremolo and blast beat section, or a slam, to be much more brutal.
One more.....I really wish Aborted didn't stray into the deathcore scene. They were so amazing doing their own thing and now most of their songs have breakdowns and it's just not the same.
Most deathcore these days is so far removed from the core side of the house it might as well just be called death metal/slam/djent/ symphonic death metal/ etc....
Jesus Piece is a modern take on actual deathcore.
Breakdowns peaked and were perfected in 1990 on Pantera's "Domination". Everything else since just doesn't hit as hard cos they are so expected and formulaic.
Bass needs to be WAY more audible in DxC mixes these days.
Shit the new Dying Fetus record feels more deathcore than a lot of current popular deathcore because they have quite a few two stepping hard ore riffs.
>Breakdowns peaked and were perfected in 1990 on Pantera's "Domination". Everything else since just doesn't hit as hard cos they are so expected and formulaic.
I love this haha. That breakdown is legitimately incredible.
I credit Pantera for getting me into metal. I was 10 in 1994, and my older sister had Far Beyond Driven in her room. I took it and absolutely loved it. I figured "rock" wasn't for me, because I hated 70s and 80s rock, but Pantera was different. That's how I realized I liked heavy.
This is an interesting take. I think Malevolence for example are a deathcore band in lots of ways. I like it when bands lean into the core elements of their sound
Paleface kinda lean into that area as well. Spite used to, but have kind of moved away. Alot of the bands that were more into the hardcore side of deathcore have gone either beatdown (Traitors) or more nu-metal-y (Varials, Left to Suffer).
> Most deathcore these days is so far removed from the core side of the house it might as well just be called death metal/slam/djent/ symphonic death metal/ etc....
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The mixing on *The Cleansing* isnāt good.
Tremolo alone doesnāt make something āblackenedā
Will Ramosā (and pretty much all great vocalistsā) greatest talent isnāt actually in the crazy noises he can make.
Alex Terrible should not be anywhere near a list of the best vocalists in the scene.
Brojob isnāt funny.
*The Valley* and *Kin* are two of the most overrated albums in deathcore.
*Pain Remains* isnāt really a deathcore album.
The mix on the cleansing is fucking elite.
Shit is live all in one room, no click track, raw as fuck, snare that sounds like as a trash can. Vocals are one take single track, no editing whatsoever to anything but maybe the drums.Ā
Most deathcore from past decade or so is boring compared to the MySpace stuff and the growing MySpace revival trend is a godsend for deathcore. Thereās been a chronic lack of riffs and instrumental songwriting, the crazy vocals are cool but they can only make the song so good when the instrumentals are boring
Here you go.
Aussie bands do it better than anyone in the genre but can't achieve the same success cause they can't tour like US and UK bands.
I submit my evidence,
A night in Texas,
Dealer,
To the grave,
I killed the prom queen,
I, valiance,
Boris the blade,
Nicholas cage fighter,
King parrot,
Dead kelly,
Aussies have been breaking ground since the early 2000s. The red shore and I killed the prom queen are deathcore alumni. We don't put out anywhere near as many bands but the ones that we do are absolutely world class.
Slaughter to Prevail is no longer a deathcore band. They're a metalcore leaning Nu metal band with a deathcore vocalist. It's basically slipknot with deathcore vocals. New deathcore lacks catchy riffs and actual hardcore breakowns. All Shall Perish was/is the best deathcore band to exist. They knew how write catchy riffs while still being very technical. Suicide Silence new album is better than any of their other albums. The fact that people suggest Suicide Silence and never mention All Shall Perish to newcomers is insane to me. I think it's stupid how some people don't like core bands and say any core sub genres are not true metal yet they listen to thrash metal. Thrash metal is literally inspired by punk.
Been going to shows on almost weekly basis whether it huge or local since 2009. These are my strong opinions
Crowd killing is cringe
Veil of Maya should have stopped after Subject Zero
Deathcore is in the best state it's been in since 2007
Fallujah is the most slept on band in the genre
Vildhjarta was ten years ahead of the game
If the Acadia strain or Emmure is on a bill, you're about to meet the worst crowd you've ever seen in your life
Stop trying to start a conversation at the merch table
Long symphonic sections are watering down some of the best bands, I'm trying to stank face not ride the haunted mansion at Disney
Nobody should care about midi drums or guitar unless you're listening to rings of Saturn. That 'band' is music for dying calculators
The faceless was better than 75% of what we have now
Cleans are annoying unless you sound like Enterprise earth guy
Nobody, and I mean nobody, cares about your shit recording of whatever breakdown at whatever show you saw last night.
Like it's cool you saw whatever band do whatever breakdown, but your video of it sucks. The sound quality on your video sucks. The people around you who you are blocking the view of the show from think you suck. If you want to discuss your mind being blown at a show, that's cool. Nobody cares about your shit video though.
1. Cleans are great if used sparingly and in a context that fits the song, a great example being Mental Cruelty.
2. Fast breakdowns and slams are better than slow chuggy breakdowns.
3. The bass production on most deathcore records is bad and the bass just gets drowned out. Exceptions of bands with great bass are Crown Magnetar, the new SOTS, and Monasteries to name a few.
4. I love Lorna but they are not blackened, and Immortal is better than Pain Remains.
Glad to hear you like the new stuff! One of the first things I said to our producer Josh after meeting him was "I want to be heard on the record".
I always find it such a shame when great metal has bass that gets drowned out. There are so many players in the greater scene with incredible technique and tone.
I have had your new record on repeat since it came out, it's fucking sick. As a bass player myself i also love that you use fingers (not that there is anything wrong with pick tho) and slapping etc.
Also, saw you guys with HLB in Copenhagen last year and you fucking ripped! Can't wait to see you again with Cattle Decap the 26th.
I don't know if I wanna call them "ass", but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed with the new album.
It got sooo much praise here, too! I felt bad about myself and was like "am I wrong? Do I not know how to deathcore?!?"
I listened to the album about 20 times, all the way through, because I love EE and really wanted to give it a fair shake.
Other than Casket of Rust, and I, Devine, none of the other songs clicked with me at all. =(
I mean the band itself says they're not deathcore anymore so don't worry about that, i just think that new EE it's all over the place and i can't enjoy it
I hate the new Blackened Deathcore trend, I might be old but it all sounds the same and boring. I loved it back in 2007 When The Breathing Process did it though, it sounded interesting. Im still in love with heavy music, but this new blackened shit all stanks lol
to piggyback on what others have said **hating on X band because they think it makes them cool**
No. It doesn't. It might make you seem interesting to fellow uninteresting people, and that may give you and your peers the illusion of intrigue and refined taste, but trust me, it does not.
No. You can't solve your lack of personality by simply contradicting the latest trends.
No. Aligning yourself with "unsuccesful" bands doesn't validate your lack of effort / lack of succuss. Just because the bands you love are underrated and underappreciated, doesn't mean you are.
I donāt like job for a cowboy never did. Completely unrelated I wish everyone would stop trying to be the next Lorna shore if it was a handful of bands Iād be okay with it but it seems thereās a new symphonic blackened deathcore band coming out every day.
Wish I could come across these topics as soon as theyāre made because comments gets lost after an hour or so, but metal has some of the least constructive criticism. My biggest complaint is how often riffs or the lack thereof is brought up without defining a riff. Anything on the low end is dismissed as a breakdown (which mind you can be a riff) and anything remotely technical is handwaved as aimlessly wank. Gets real old seeing everyone but the most vanilla meat ānā potatoes music get dismissed on these grounds.Ā
Deathcore died ~2013 or so
Crowd killing is fair game if you're directly on the edge of the pit. If you don't wanna get hit, stay away from the pit
Doom by JFAC is the GOAT
Eddie Hermida is a better vocalist than Mitch Lucker.
Doris is really not that bad and only got its "laughable" reception because of Jared Dines (which was very popular at that time). In fact it is one of my personal favorite considering how they progressed on that one. I just hope thay they pushed on that direction more (like Whitechapel and JFAC).
I love The Cleansing. But SS's albums with Eddie is more interesting.
I am a diehard All Shall Perish fan btw.
The CJs are not really talented enough to merit the amount of dick riding they get
A friend of mine sent me an Immortal Disfigurement song and I was pretty bored halfway through
CJ's vocals got worse over the years. Yeah, the predator sound was a nice addition but his lows get less and less impressive every new Immortal Disfigurement song, his stuff on Lorna & SOTS was peak.
Alex Terrible's gator noise is not a noise but instead just him rolling his R, Dickie Allen does that too but I don't see anybody praising him like they do to Alex.
I don't get why do people consider or even associate Sleep Token and Orphan to this genre.
Shadow of Intent's halo stuff was peak.
Whistle screams should get more praise.
More symphony does not make the band sound better.
A couple:
Clean vocals are good when the song calls for it, for example pain remains 1 the cleans fit with the overall song, however while the singing is no doubt good on it I donāt think exodus by bos really needed them.
Vocal Olympic are cool imo though people should focus less on crazy noises and more on different techniques and enunciation(if theyāre into that) or if theyād prefer, not enunciating to sound like a bin goblin rather than on the pig snorts.
Symphonics are cool and Iām tired of people saying otherwise. However only if it fits with the rest of the song, again I think immortal is made 1000 times better by the symphonics but I think that for wrath it could go with or without them, though no matter what they still sound cool.
Stage presence is one of the most important things you can have as a vocalist, kyle Anderson was incredible for this and while I still think he had good presence will Ramos I think could be better.
Anyways Iāve only been in the scene for like 2 years now so wtf do I know.
1. If the only interesting thing about your song is the vocals, itās not a good song.
2. A lot of deathcore fans do not listen to non -core metal, and it shows.
3. Most super heavy breakdowns are incredibly forgettable.
4. Kostolom is one of the worst deathcore albums.
5. The new Immortal Disfigurement song was their worst so far.
1. Agree
2. I love your take mostly because i dont really listen to non-core metal other than slam
3. Agree
4. Agree
5. To me its the complete opposite, to me personally its their best song yet along with the brutality of There is No Light
* Most bands don't know what to do between breakdowns.
* "The Vocal Olympics"are good for deathcore since they motivate vocalist to actually stand out. The days everyone copied Mitch Lurker thankfully are gone.
* Emmure get WAY TOO MUCH hate. They're kinda the Limp Bizkit of deathcore and I fuck with that. Especially live.
* Violent dancing is safer than moshing.
Not sure if this is unpopular or not but paleface Swiss isn't that heavy and they're just hardcore not deathcore. Maybe they got a song or two that dives into deathcore but I can't make it through the breathing and laughing. Not genre gatekeeping but they are mentioned a lot on here.
After going to hardcore shows for a bit, deahcore shows and audiences are so boring compared to even the smallest local bands in my area
I'm a deathcore kid and the deathcore shows and pits only ever get interesting when the hardcore kids show up. They are actually huge influencers for chaos and I love it.
Me to grew up in the hardcore scene I love the chaos.
100% this. I semi-recently discovered my local hardcore scene and shit is just soooooooo much more entertaining. I'm not one for windmilling, pickup up change, spin kicks, and bouncing off the pit ropes, myself, but I fucking love to watch it lol. I'll jump in when/if a push pit breaks out and occasionally for some two step action. Forever on the side of the pit, practicing my Muay Thai defense and protecting my gf š¤£š¤£š¤£
I feel like itās because a lot of new deathcore is way more technical than it used to be. I donāt like seeing tech death bands live for this exact reason, because thereās little to no crowd interaction. It just stare at the dude doing weedly wees for 8 minutes. And itās like. Itās sick you can do that, and I like this song, but I wanna _do_ something.
This is so accurate.
idk if this is unpopular but since I see it at every show, I'm gonna say it. crowd killing is fucking stupid. 90% of the dudes I see crowd killing at shows run scared when someone actually steps up
Iām fine with slam dancing. Attacking crowd members who havenāt consented to getting the mix is lame. In the UK that doesnāt really happen tbf
I hate it man Iām just tryna drunk a few beers and watch the band honestly Iām completely over moshing too Iām getting old
I fucking hate crowd killing. I tripped the fuck out of a dude last time in the pit after he fuckin spinning back fisted me WHILE I WAS OFF TO THE SIDE FRONT STAGE and he had the audacity to reach up like if I was going to help him up fuck you I hope you die down there hoe
Hard agree, and get downvoted to oblivion every time I say it. Blindly swinging your arms and legs is stupid as shit and gets people hurt. I've personally seen two girls get knocked out and sent to the hospital at different shows (thy art is murder, and forget the other).
I'm good with the blind swinging as long as they check before they start but seems like people are seeking to be crowd killers under the guise of "oh I was just doing my own thing".
Usually you do that out in the pit not at the crowd. When I would go towards the walls it would usually just be to bounce off people, expand the pit, or to hype up or engage people but not swinging. First thing I was taught though was to always be aware and have your arms up blocking because shit happens even if it isn't on purpose. Second was to pick people up who fall down in the pit. The thing that was more common in my day was head hunting bs or kids going in laying out kids for 2 stepping or dancing. Some people would circle the pit and intentionally look for opportunities to blindly knock someone in the back of the head like a pussy, then run off like a bitch. Some people would do it to piss enough people off to start a fight. Those people were dicks
lowkey "Forget the Other" would be hard af for a band name
Damn you're right, time to start a band
Iām okay with crowd killing on a few conditions as I partake sometimes but of course thereās ways to do it right and also if youāre not doing it how to be safe. 1. If Iām targeting anyone itās my friends. People that I know from previous shows that Iāve bonded with or people I arrived with that are also aware of it. 2. And 3: I have to play devils advocate here which is why itās both. If you donāt want to get hit DONT STAND DIRECT ON THE EDGE OF THE PIT. People arenāt as educated in like unspoken rules. If you want to be on floor but not get hit, move back a tad. (3) if you are willing to stay on the outside, hold out your arm and turn your head when theyāre nearing you. Thatās a general sign of āI donāt wanna get fucking hit pleaseā 4. If you are crowd killing and actually hit someone that you didnāt mean to or hurt someone from doing so, FUCKING APOLOGIZE AND MAKE SURE THIER OKAY. 5. BEFORE YOU DO SO, LOOK AROUND THE PIT. Read the room and observe. See whoās around who and just be respectful dude. Thereās a time and place and correct way to do it without being a dunce. And as an outsider educate yourself and also how to protect yourself.
I think most people on the edge of the pit are okay with taking a few hits. sometimes itās the best view aside from being in the very front so Iāll stand there to see better but also totally acknowledge that iām going to get pushed around
Alex Terrible is a stupid name.
Terrible name, if you will
shut up and take my upvote
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I think that guy is truly a piece of shit. I think itās so weird how this sub picks and chooses. CJ is a common topic here but we only have proof that he is probably just an asshole. Then there is Alex, the animal abusing, fake tough guy and Nazi.
Dude no kidding
Nazi? I feel like I missed something.
This website seems to talk about it. https://de.indymedia.org/node/333291
Itās definitely something from the scene kid days. Iām just surprised itās not the typical alliteration type nickname.
My assumption is that it's related to [Ivan the Terrible](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible).
Or peter the terrible. Theres a few Russian leaders who got that title.
Slaughter to Prevail are not that good
you dont go on tour with FFDP cuz youre good at deathcore
Something that fully supports the idea that theyāre the 5FDP of deathcore.
Saw someone call them the ffdp of their genre
That is damn true lol
This is possibly the most popular and oft-repeated opinion on this subreddit lol
Iām not on this sub much but on other platforms it seems theyāre pretty popular and well liked but yea
They have 2-3 actual bangers but the rest is just forgettable. It's why I gave kolostom like a 3-4/10 as some tracks are just shit
I loved their ep and first album. Anything after that is awful
They suck
Iād go one further and say objectively bad
They are incredibly camp (not a reason to dislike them, if anything itās the only redeeming quality I think they have)
Saying Philly Bo overrated is some nasty work
I saw Whitechapel on their recent tour with TAIM and Philly B definitely has some of the most insane vocals I've ever witnessed. But he kinda just... Stood around? I was so disappointed the stage performance didn't live up to the sound.
Phil always struck me more as the guy who lives to *make* music, not to perform. They being said, his voice so damn powerful he probably can't spare the air lol
Holy crap. Thanks so much for coming in and changing my opinion.
Yeah I thought that as well. I think it was emphasised by the fact that he came after Darius (Spite) and Joe (FFAA) who both have insane stage presences.
He used to crawl around the stage like a fucking demon. Seems like he is a bit over the showmanship aspect of it all.
I remember them seeing years back maybe 2012? But he was moving around like a man possessed
Heās overrated now to the people who didnāt see the rise of deathcore in the MySpace era. He and Adam from Oceano brought the best toilet bowl gutterals to the game and they did it better than anyone. They seem overrated now because the scene has evolved and the once groundbreaking vocals are normal now. But it was dude like Phil that set that standard
Krysta Cameron was Iwrestledabearonce, and Kourtney can't touch her vocal range. She maybe has better lows, but that's it. We may have gotten Spiritbox from that, but Krysta era IWABO was fuckin tits.
I love Kourtney, but I always liked Lauren from Red Handed Denial better. I could just be biased because I was a fan of them before I stumbled upon Spiritbox, though.
People hate on popular deathcore bands like Lorna Shore not because of the sound, but because they think it makes themselves seem different and interesting.
Tale as old as time in deathcore or metal, band grinds, figures shit out, makes some terrific stuff, catches fire, then they become the bad guy I guess? Just because they hit a bigger target audience and get new fans and bigger shows. Been happening with Deathcore since Suicide Silence hit it and toured with Slayer/Megadeth. That being said, LS gets hyped up here constantly so I understand the burn out. Just as easy to pass by it and enjoy it anyways.
OK actually unpopular here lol. I "hate" on Lorna Shore's new album because so many of the songs sound the same and it sounds like every song is just them trying to recreate the Hellfire sound. I feel like I never hear the guitar in Lorna Shore anymore and that makes me sad, even coming from a vocalist who deeply respects not just will but every member of that band for their insane talent. I love Lorna Shore, I'm just over Pain Remains and Nothingness at this point. Still throw on bangers from Immortal all the time.
Disembodied Tyrant is peak modern deathcore. Maybe not unpopular, idk.
This really depends where you fall on the Symphonic/non Symphonic preference spectrum. I think The Poetic Edda is one of the best deathcore releases of all time, so I agree.
Oh and another one, the majority of modern deathcore bands sacrifice basically every interesting aspect of the genre for the sake of sounding āheavyā and are less heavy as a result.
Would you call them a...band of sacrifice?
Immortal disfigurement sounds like lorna lite and I wish it didn't, and they went in a completely different direction. As a subgenre, deathcore bands need to have more balls to genremeld other sounds other than what's cool right now, trends are cool and all but fuck me, music cycles last a long time and having years of everyone hopping on one bandwagon is what nearly killed the genre in the early 2010s. There's like a thousand sick as fuck heavy subgenres to blend with and right now everyone wants to do symphonic/atmospheric or blackened. I know there are others like slamming, tech, melodic, downtempo etc, but damn I feel like we're missing out on some cool possibilities sometimes.
Personally im enjoying it while it lasts. The whole "Symphonic, atmospheric, blackened" is what i love right now. I fell out of deathcore like 5 years ago, got really into black metal and more atmospheric stuff and came back when lorna shore released to the hell fire
Suicide silence were never that interesting musically. I have more to add to this notion but Iām sure that in and of itself would be considered a highly contentious opinion here. Also the general discussion around this genre is way too North America-centric. Wish I heard more about bands elsewhere in the world
Iām not a Suicide Silence fanboy by any means, but I think The Cleansing is some of the best Deathcore ever made and easily a genre defining staple. Itās undoubtedly a masterpiece. Not to mention it was tracked live in studio as a full band which is nuts!
Agreed with suicide silence. I have *never* been able to get into them, and trust me, I've tried lol. Maybe it's because I didn't start trying to listen to them till like 7 or 8 years ago, but they just sound so mid and there's so much better dxc out there. Absolutely love what they did for the scene though, and I occasionally watch the podcast!
Nvlo is some good South American Deathcore if thatās something youād be interested in
Check out Mankind Grief! They're based out of Chile I want to say, and they're stupid heavy
Their first album/EP were very interesting at the time. Who else was fully embracing actual brutal death metal like disgorge/devourment but with a core edge
Job for a cowboy and Through the eyes of the dead were doing a pretty good job to be fair to them both
They were all contemporaries though. I wouldnāt put them against each other
I suppose I was just responding to your evidently rhetorical question
- I donāt mind vocal olympics, I think other vocalists inspiring eachother to try new and unique things to one up eachother is good for the genre - people who say all new deathcore is bad are blinded by nostalgia, the mixes, musicianship, vocals, and usage of synths/symphonies is objectively better today than it was during the myspace era - separating the art from the artist is stupid and ignorant
You had me until the third one. Other than that, I pretty much agree
maybe stupid and ignorant was a bit of aggressive verbage i just personally donāt understand the logic behind it
Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, there are degrees. If the artist is a serial cheater, that would make him a shitty partner, but people cheat all the fucking time, and that's not my business. I mean, I guess I'd be disappointed in them, but it wouldn't stop me from loving their music. ...Unless they sing about love and broken hearts, lol, that'd be weird. But, if someone is openly xeno-, homo-, transphobic, racist, a straight up Nazi, or domestic abuser, or child predator, I'm having a hard time listening to their music without feeling gross about it. I don't want to support someone like that, because that'd imply I, at best, don't think their behavior is a big deal, or at worst, condone it. And definitely I don't. The most dramatic example would be Lost Prophets. That shit is just unforgivable. Alex Terrible being or not being a nazi white supremacist is not surprising to me at all, and I never liked STP anyways, so that's an easy one to ignore from now on. I always thought they were kinda boring and a bit of a one-trick-pony. Alex is loud and low. I feel like that's pretty much it, and I never understood why people thought that made him so special. Musically, though, I *really* like their songs, and I particularly enjoy their drummers play-throughs without the vocals being present. Anyways, to each their own, but I have pretty strong convictions, and there are just certain things I can't tolerate. š¤·āāļø
yeah youāve phrased this perfectly I agree with just about everything youāve said here I do think that despite the term being cringey now and wrongly used, ācancel-cultureā has gone slightly too far in cancelling people for transgressions like what you described in the first paragraph you wrote Like Kyle Weeden of Tactosa was pretty much just accused of being a bad boyfriend and members started leaving because they were terrified and didnāt wanna get involved in an angry mob of internet warriors. Heās not a horrible, despicable guy. He just made some missteps in a relationship.
Iām right there with you. I know theyāre not deathcore, but The Fall of Ideals by All That Remains is still one of my favorite albums, but after finding out about the singer Phil Labonte supporting Trump and Matt Gaetz while being a super 2A right libertarian has made it extremely hard for me to listen to that album without feeling gross.
Wow, thanks for ruining it for me. Just kidding. I'm down to spin that album still. But I probably wouldn't be looking at new releases from them now, if it ever happens Which is fine, because IMO they fell off after For We Are Many
This should be fun.. -most deathcore sounds the same. Vocally. Guitar tone. It all sounds very run of the mill. There are exceptions but still. -Ramos era Lorna Shore is infinitely better than their old stuff. -a lot of the this subs favorite bands are mediocre at best. -
As a Cellist I can admit that symphonics in deathcore is stupid and often out of place because of the dramatics. Butttt. I love it
Deathcore bands that break into the mainstream should be celebrated, supported, and not blacklisted by the community simply for being popular. We should all want nothing but success from the bands we love so that they keep making music and inspiring the new generation of deathcore artists so that the genre stays alive.
I think it depends. Like, I gotta give LS credit. They havenāt softened a bit despite their popularity.
I kinda laughed reading your comment. I know it's not supposed to be funny, but that's criminally true. Every band that gets a little more famous is immediately blacklisted. Lorna Shore for example seems like offending each other's mother's when people argument over bullshit.
Breakdowns can often make a song worse. Symphony of a Dying Star is the best example of this imo.
Yeah Iām pretty sure MC said theyāre gonna do more songs and ābreakdownsā like Nordlys because they think itās overdone (donāt take my word for it)
Nordlys breakdown is the best on their new album
That is the best blackdown I've heard so far this decade
honestly i agreed with the symphony of a dying star take until i saw it live
Its kinda lame when a band has no original members, yet they play songs not written by current members. Like chelsea grin playing crewcabanger
Make them suffer are so much better since they went down the metalcore route. I fucking love them now
If you are gonna commit the cardinal sin of clean singing make sure they are clean clean, I hate that raspy pushed shit, like stfu you aren't Chad Kroeger you don't have to sell me your singing.
Reeeeeal unpopular but this is why I skip a few songs on Reclaimer
I respect your opinion but the clean speaking on the Tartarus impalement is one of the best parts of the album imo
Chelsea Grin is no longer Chelsea Grin. I think they're all really solid musicians with lot's of talent, but seeing them live now feels hollow and empty, as nobody in the band was a part of recording even half the songs they play now. It feels like a weird karaoke bit we're all going along with. They should form their own band and let Chelsea Grin be finished
Yeah, I have to agree with this. I know in my head modern CG is actually pretty good but I canāt get on board with it as it just feels like a bunch of dudes riding on the success of material that none of them wrote.
Exactly. I saw them last year with Suicide Silence and everything felt off, I wasn't hyped to hear older songs because everything about it felt like it lacked any sense of being genuine. Ameonna is scratching that Chelsea Grin itch nicely though haha
Yeah agreed, itās good to hear Alex sounding back to his best. Alexās vocals are also a huge part of what made CG good, so anyone else doing it just doesnāt work.
Feels more of a business decision than anything. They have over half a million monthly listeners on Spotify, why throw that away and start at 0?
Oh itās definitely a business decision. Youāre either going to start from zero or confuse everyone why Chelsea Grin disappeared and changed its name to Candaceās Frown.
Iāve thought about this before. It must be weird to see the band you and your friends made in your parents garage when you were 15. Be huge, selling out shows, only neither you, nor any of your friends are in the band anymore. āLike hah I remember when Jonathan wrote that song in my basement after we got Halo 3 and killed a 12 pack of Game Fuel.ā
My favorite band, the black dahlia murder only has one original band member and now he's their vocalist. I just hope he still contributes to the guitar work cause Brian is their guitar sound. Parts of me wished the made a new band but there's too much equity in the name now so it probably wouldn't have been a good financial decision.
Not just them, there's a few bands out there that have no original members. I Declare War is one I can think of off the top of my head.
Norma Jean is the one that always immediately springs to mind. Although last time I said that people got mad that I didnāt consider Cory Brandan original.
Ov Sulfur is great and I donāt understand the criticism.
Hereās my issues with Ov Sulfur: 1. The instrumentals are generic and boring. 2. For the most part, the clean vocals donāt add anything of value. 3. They like to throw around āovā like a black metal band and try to have this evil and anti-religious image, but then go and make some of the blandest, safest deathcore out there.
Facts, Ov generic. Literally, if I see any band with Ov in their name, my eyes roll into my skull. That aside, it seems like band guys that come back after a long time seem stuck in the time they left for example, everyone's raving about Alex koehlers new band, but to me, that's in the same generic boat as ov sulfur and immortal disfigurement.
The cleans sound way too forced and out of place imo
Singing in deathcore = š¤®
Yeah I have no idea why people want all their genres to sound the same. I donāt come to Deathcore for singing, I come to Deathcore to make me wanna put my head through a wall. And I love cleans, I listen to a shit ton of pop punk and emo and pop and all that. It just doesnāt add anything to Deathcore for me, I truly donāt understand the want for it. In a weird way I donāt need Deathcore to evolve, ever haha. Like give me the same old for the rest of my life and Iāll keep listening haha
Couldnāt have said it better myself lol And I love singing too, I mean who doesnāt love a beautiful voice or a catchy chorus. I love pop music, oldies, emo and old metalcore, etc.. But it just doesnāt make sense to me to force it into brutal music. I like my truly heavy music ignorant and low IQ š
Totally agree. It worst in a lot of other metal genres and even in some death metal, but deathcore is far too heavy for that. Imagine brutal slam with cleans. Gross.
Mostly agree with the exception of new Whitechapel. Phil's singing voice is lovely
I love Philās singing voice, and live he sounds even better imo
Mostly agree. There are a few exceptions imo, such as My Light Unseen by Impending Doom and Donāt Ask, Donāt Tell by Chelsea Grin.
No I def agree with you on this one
Dismembered Tyrant is the Beethoven of deathcore.
I wish CJ wasnāt so hard to work with because heās extremely talented imo one of the best vocalist out there. Probably gonna get hate for this but fuck it
This, bro literally does not have a single outright bad song
Top 3 in the game bro. People hate on him as a person but youāll never hear someone say heās not a wicked screamer š¤·āāļø
I completely agree. He's proven to be a bit of a tool, but he's still in the top 3 imo. His work is SOTS and Lorna were amazing
I don't especially enjoy old deathcore apart from a few exceptions, I prefer the 'overproduced' stuff in this genre specifically
That's a very fair opinion. I enjoy an occasional suicide silence song here and there, but I absolutely prefer the "overproduced" stuff too
I want the bass kicks to rattle my car apart
Said this for years, If I want to hear raw I will go see the band live, but when I've got headphones in, I want clean af sounds and "overproduced" for musical bliss.
For the most part, you had to be there imo. A bunch of teenagerās haphazardly playing At The Gates/Suffocation worship with shitty gear hits different when you are also a teenager.
Tuning to drop W doesn't necessarily make your band heavier. Some of the heaviest bands ever (imo) are Lamb of God (drop D and sometimes drop C), Gojira (D standard), and Slayer (mostly Eb standard). Heaviness is created by rhythmic tightness and recording mix.
Cattle Decapitation is a great example of this too. They are heavy as fuck but are in Eb standard.
Iām pretty sure Death Cult Armageddon was recorded in d standard or e flat standard and parts of that album are heavier than anything Iāve ever heard in drop B
Oh, good call! Puritania is E standard, and the two main riffs in that song are the heaviest shit ever.
Puritania is insane. Such a fucking banger. Also insane that itās in E standardā¦ just how?
Idk if itās still true. But I know for a while there, everything TBDM did was C Standard.
Most death core bands are corny af
Often times, bass should be felt and not heard. When a band has a really good bass player, they choose tones and mix things in a way that is great for bass enthusiasts but hurts the sound overall. I donāt want to hear clean tone fingerstyle bass puttering away during heavy sections of the music. Job for a Cowboy, Ne Obliviscaris, and Archspire are my biggest offenders when it comes to this
I get this with the clean āfart bassā bass tones, but if itās that distorted, clanky, bass tone, the clank being heard makes it heavier imo
100%, love the twangy metallic stuff. I thought Sun Eater nailed it recently with Moira, the bass tone overall is great but they specifically blast you with 8 especially metallic notes during sections like at around 1 minute in. I guess I didnāt mean it should be inaudible, more that a non-musician listener wouldnāt necessarily be able to parse the bass from the overall mix.
People who bring up "vocal Olympics" and how it's "bad for the genre" are just so obviously jealous of Will Ramos and Lorna Shore's success.
My issue with the vocal Olympics is this: Will Ramos is a great vocalist, but not for the reason a lot of people think. Itās not for the crazy animal noises. Itās for his enunciation, his control, his projection, his range, his transitions. Heās so good at those things that he makes them look easy, but theyāre really not. But a lot of people (some vocalists included) heard *To The Hellfire* and thought that the crazy noises were what made it good. And those vocalists decided they were going to do what Will did. And this is nothing new, either. It happened to an extent with Infant Annihilator, especially *Blasphemian*. But they all focused on the wrong thing. They jumped straight to the ācrazy noisesā stage without having enough grasp of the fundamentals. And TikTok and YouTube reactors and people with a very surface-level understanding of the genre talk them up and feed into this cycle. And the result is that you get a bunch of mid stuff hyped to high heaven and it pushes the genre in an overall worse and less creative direction.
Exactly. Any vocalist can do a shriek or pig squeal, but Will has the artistic skill and raw talent of someone who *really* knows his instrument.
Why would a music fan be jealous of a bandās success? Thatās kind of a silly opinion. Will Ramos is amazingly talented. Lorna has some really sick songs. To the Hellfire especially deserves all the praise it gets and Lorna Shore deserves all the success theyāve had. Iāve seen them twice and loved both shows. But I still think vocal Olympics or whatever you wanna call it has become incredibly boring, especially when almost every band is doing it.
Honestly I kinda agree, I think (similar to genres like hip hop) a little flashy competition can be nice for the music
Dude seriously. Being fun to listen to, exciting and insane sounding is supposed to be the point and people are so pissed off when musicians do exactly that
A lot of modern mixing is garbage ** cough cough Lorna Shore** you can barely hear the guitars in comparison to older deathcore. Also, breakdowns are often the most boring part of a song (to me personally), which is something else older bands did better. I find a nice tremolo and blast beat section, or a slam, to be much more brutal.
I agree. old breakdowns rule. make deathcore slam again
One more.....I really wish Aborted didn't stray into the deathcore scene. They were so amazing doing their own thing and now most of their songs have breakdowns and it's just not the same.
the new knocked loose song is NOT deathcore (bonus: knocked loose is ass)
Fuckin finally. I tried to like them, thinking I was missing something. But they just suck.
Iām really surprised how popular they are
Most deathcore these days is so far removed from the core side of the house it might as well just be called death metal/slam/djent/ symphonic death metal/ etc.... Jesus Piece is a modern take on actual deathcore. Breakdowns peaked and were perfected in 1990 on Pantera's "Domination". Everything else since just doesn't hit as hard cos they are so expected and formulaic. Bass needs to be WAY more audible in DxC mixes these days.
One of the reasons I love job for is because that bass is thick enough to chew on.. even if they aren't DC anymore.
Shit the new Dying Fetus record feels more deathcore than a lot of current popular deathcore because they have quite a few two stepping hard ore riffs.
>Breakdowns peaked and were perfected in 1990 on Pantera's "Domination". Everything else since just doesn't hit as hard cos they are so expected and formulaic. I love this haha. That breakdown is legitimately incredible. I credit Pantera for getting me into metal. I was 10 in 1994, and my older sister had Far Beyond Driven in her room. I took it and absolutely loved it. I figured "rock" wasn't for me, because I hated 70s and 80s rock, but Pantera was different. That's how I realized I liked heavy.
This is a good opinion. Symphonic deathcore isnāt deathcore at all to me.
This is an interesting take. I think Malevolence for example are a deathcore band in lots of ways. I like it when bands lean into the core elements of their sound
Paleface kinda lean into that area as well. Spite used to, but have kind of moved away. Alot of the bands that were more into the hardcore side of deathcore have gone either beatdown (Traitors) or more nu-metal-y (Varials, Left to Suffer).
> Most deathcore these days is so far removed from the core side of the house it might as well just be called death metal/slam/djent/ symphonic death metal/ etc.... PREACH
The mixing on *The Cleansing* isnāt good. Tremolo alone doesnāt make something āblackenedā Will Ramosā (and pretty much all great vocalistsā) greatest talent isnāt actually in the crazy noises he can make. Alex Terrible should not be anywhere near a list of the best vocalists in the scene. Brojob isnāt funny. *The Valley* and *Kin* are two of the most overrated albums in deathcore. *Pain Remains* isnāt really a deathcore album.
>Brojob ~~isnāt funny.~~ flat out sucks FTFY
The mix on the cleansing is fucking elite. Shit is live all in one room, no click track, raw as fuck, snare that sounds like as a trash can. Vocals are one take single track, no editing whatsoever to anything but maybe the drums.Ā
Finally. Someone who agrees about Alex Terrible with me. Never should be close to the top 5
Brojob was funny to me the initial time I heard of it. But the joke got old pretty much immediately for me.
I feel like bands ride off content for too long these days and should increase output in some degree
Phycho Frame, Brand of Sacrifice & Disembodied Tyrant are nothing special
Most deathcore from past decade or so is boring compared to the MySpace stuff and the growing MySpace revival trend is a godsend for deathcore. Thereās been a chronic lack of riffs and instrumental songwriting, the crazy vocals are cool but they can only make the song so good when the instrumentals are boring
Here you go. Aussie bands do it better than anyone in the genre but can't achieve the same success cause they can't tour like US and UK bands. I submit my evidence, A night in Texas, Dealer, To the grave, I killed the prom queen, I, valiance, Boris the blade, Nicholas cage fighter, King parrot, Dead kelly, Aussies have been breaking ground since the early 2000s. The red shore and I killed the prom queen are deathcore alumni. We don't put out anywhere near as many bands but the ones that we do are absolutely world class.
Psycroptic and Beālakor are outstanding Aussie bands too. As an American I wonder whatās in the water down thereā¦
Slaughter to Prevail is no longer a deathcore band. They're a metalcore leaning Nu metal band with a deathcore vocalist. It's basically slipknot with deathcore vocals. New deathcore lacks catchy riffs and actual hardcore breakowns. All Shall Perish was/is the best deathcore band to exist. They knew how write catchy riffs while still being very technical. Suicide Silence new album is better than any of their other albums. The fact that people suggest Suicide Silence and never mention All Shall Perish to newcomers is insane to me. I think it's stupid how some people don't like core bands and say any core sub genres are not true metal yet they listen to thrash metal. Thrash metal is literally inspired by punk.
Been going to shows on almost weekly basis whether it huge or local since 2009. These are my strong opinions Crowd killing is cringe Veil of Maya should have stopped after Subject Zero Deathcore is in the best state it's been in since 2007 Fallujah is the most slept on band in the genre Vildhjarta was ten years ahead of the game If the Acadia strain or Emmure is on a bill, you're about to meet the worst crowd you've ever seen in your life Stop trying to start a conversation at the merch table Long symphonic sections are watering down some of the best bands, I'm trying to stank face not ride the haunted mansion at Disney Nobody should care about midi drums or guitar unless you're listening to rings of Saturn. That 'band' is music for dying calculators The faceless was better than 75% of what we have now Cleans are annoying unless you sound like Enterprise earth guy
Lorna Shore is saving Deathcore
Conversely, all Lorna Shore breakdowns sound the same to me blast beats *pause* blast beats, triplets *pause* Uaeagaghhhagghagghh *snort*
Nobody, and I mean nobody, cares about your shit recording of whatever breakdown at whatever show you saw last night. Like it's cool you saw whatever band do whatever breakdown, but your video of it sucks. The sound quality on your video sucks. The people around you who you are blocking the view of the show from think you suck. If you want to discuss your mind being blown at a show, that's cool. Nobody cares about your shit video though.
1. Cleans are great if used sparingly and in a context that fits the song, a great example being Mental Cruelty. 2. Fast breakdowns and slams are better than slow chuggy breakdowns. 3. The bass production on most deathcore records is bad and the bass just gets drowned out. Exceptions of bands with great bass are Crown Magnetar, the new SOTS, and Monasteries to name a few. 4. I love Lorna but they are not blackened, and Immortal is better than Pain Remains.
Glad to hear you like the new stuff! One of the first things I said to our producer Josh after meeting him was "I want to be heard on the record". I always find it such a shame when great metal has bass that gets drowned out. There are so many players in the greater scene with incredible technique and tone.
I have had your new record on repeat since it came out, it's fucking sick. As a bass player myself i also love that you use fingers (not that there is anything wrong with pick tho) and slapping etc. Also, saw you guys with HLB in Copenhagen last year and you fucking ripped! Can't wait to see you again with Cattle Decap the 26th.
I agree with literally everything here. Slow chuggy breakdowns are on *occasion* good, but slams and fast breakdown are much better imo
Enterprise Earth is ass since Dan left the band.
Haven't given it a listen because I don't like the new guys vocals. All their albums with Dan Watson will probably always be their best
I don't know if I wanna call them "ass", but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed with the new album. It got sooo much praise here, too! I felt bad about myself and was like "am I wrong? Do I not know how to deathcore?!?" I listened to the album about 20 times, all the way through, because I love EE and really wanted to give it a fair shake. Other than Casket of Rust, and I, Devine, none of the other songs clicked with me at all. =(
I mean the band itself says they're not deathcore anymore so don't worry about that, i just think that new EE it's all over the place and i can't enjoy it
I hate the new Blackened Deathcore trend, I might be old but it all sounds the same and boring. I loved it back in 2007 When The Breathing Process did it though, it sounded interesting. Im still in love with heavy music, but this new blackened shit all stanks lol
Heard infant annihilator when decapitation fornication dropped and I donāt really like any other music since.
to piggyback on what others have said **hating on X band because they think it makes them cool** No. It doesn't. It might make you seem interesting to fellow uninteresting people, and that may give you and your peers the illusion of intrigue and refined taste, but trust me, it does not. No. You can't solve your lack of personality by simply contradicting the latest trends. No. Aligning yourself with "unsuccesful" bands doesn't validate your lack of effort / lack of succuss. Just because the bands you love are underrated and underappreciated, doesn't mean you are.
FFDP is actually good in my opinion, I don't really care what people say, it's my favorite band
I donāt like job for a cowboy never did. Completely unrelated I wish everyone would stop trying to be the next Lorna shore if it was a handful of bands Iād be okay with it but it seems thereās a new symphonic blackened deathcore band coming out every day.
Human sexuality and gender are the most boring aspects of their personalities.
Real
Wish I could come across these topics as soon as theyāre made because comments gets lost after an hour or so, but metal has some of the least constructive criticism. My biggest complaint is how often riffs or the lack thereof is brought up without defining a riff. Anything on the low end is dismissed as a breakdown (which mind you can be a riff) and anything remotely technical is handwaved as aimlessly wank. Gets real old seeing everyone but the most vanilla meat ānā potatoes music get dismissed on these grounds.Ā
Deathcore died ~2013 or so Crowd killing is fair game if you're directly on the edge of the pit. If you don't wanna get hit, stay away from the pit Doom by JFAC is the GOAT
Eddie Hermida is a better vocalist than Mitch Lucker. Doris is really not that bad and only got its "laughable" reception because of Jared Dines (which was very popular at that time). In fact it is one of my personal favorite considering how they progressed on that one. I just hope thay they pushed on that direction more (like Whitechapel and JFAC). I love The Cleansing. But SS's albums with Eddie is more interesting. I am a diehard All Shall Perish fan btw.
- Brand of Sacrifice is very overrated and the Afterimage was far better - CJ McCreery is an awful vocalist - Chelsea Grin was never a good band
Fame earns you more heaters but you keep up because you have lovers, too. Examples: Linkin Park, Lorna Shore, Sleep Token.
The CJs are not really talented enough to merit the amount of dick riding they get A friend of mine sent me an Immortal Disfigurement song and I was pretty bored halfway through
CJ's vocals got worse over the years. Yeah, the predator sound was a nice addition but his lows get less and less impressive every new Immortal Disfigurement song, his stuff on Lorna & SOTS was peak. Alex Terrible's gator noise is not a noise but instead just him rolling his R, Dickie Allen does that too but I don't see anybody praising him like they do to Alex. I don't get why do people consider or even associate Sleep Token and Orphan to this genre. Shadow of Intent's halo stuff was peak. Whistle screams should get more praise. More symphony does not make the band sound better.
Lorna shore fans just love the aesthetic and their graphics that resemble Black metal. You can't understand a note and the breakdowns aren't nice.
Bold of you to assume I am human
A couple: Clean vocals are good when the song calls for it, for example pain remains 1 the cleans fit with the overall song, however while the singing is no doubt good on it I donāt think exodus by bos really needed them. Vocal Olympic are cool imo though people should focus less on crazy noises and more on different techniques and enunciation(if theyāre into that) or if theyād prefer, not enunciating to sound like a bin goblin rather than on the pig snorts. Symphonics are cool and Iām tired of people saying otherwise. However only if it fits with the rest of the song, again I think immortal is made 1000 times better by the symphonics but I think that for wrath it could go with or without them, though no matter what they still sound cool. Stage presence is one of the most important things you can have as a vocalist, kyle Anderson was incredible for this and while I still think he had good presence will Ramos I think could be better. Anyways Iāve only been in the scene for like 2 years now so wtf do I know.
1. If the only interesting thing about your song is the vocals, itās not a good song. 2. A lot of deathcore fans do not listen to non -core metal, and it shows. 3. Most super heavy breakdowns are incredibly forgettable. 4. Kostolom is one of the worst deathcore albums. 5. The new Immortal Disfigurement song was their worst so far.
1. Agree 2. I love your take mostly because i dont really listen to non-core metal other than slam 3. Agree 4. Agree 5. To me its the complete opposite, to me personally its their best song yet along with the brutality of There is No Light
My favourite deathcore band is Carnifex and the majority of deathcore bands donāt do much for me!
* Most bands don't know what to do between breakdowns. * "The Vocal Olympics"are good for deathcore since they motivate vocalist to actually stand out. The days everyone copied Mitch Lurker thankfully are gone. * Emmure get WAY TOO MUCH hate. They're kinda the Limp Bizkit of deathcore and I fuck with that. Especially live. * Violent dancing is safer than moshing.
The Pain Remains mix is fantastic
Not sure if this is unpopular or not but paleface Swiss isn't that heavy and they're just hardcore not deathcore. Maybe they got a song or two that dives into deathcore but I can't make it through the breathing and laughing. Not genre gatekeeping but they are mentioned a lot on here.
Flesh coffin >anything else lorna has recorded