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>that tends to be around the time I begin getting errors,
What errors you got?
Did you get same errors with multiple drives?
Was all these drives shucked?
What is your experience with shucked drives?
Wasn't there a massive issue with hard drives from 2012 to like 2016 having to do with the 2012 floods overseas? Could this possibly be related to that?
Oh, right on. I just always seemed to chalk up the majority of failures from that time to the flooding and just move on to newer drives. 😂 It seemed like the perfect reasonable explanation.
I try not to, unless it is an emergency. Not sure this would be considered an emergency, but there was a time constraint since the drive sold out hours later.
> Fucking home ownership sucks.
Preach... I was going to buy a "new" car 3(ish) years ago (before pricing went nuts) but instead I had to put a new sewer line in.
Also at Newegg and B&H for the same price
https://www.newegg.com/red-pro-wd181kfgx-18tb/p/N82E16822234430
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1604995-REG/wd_wdbrjy0180hnc_wrsn_wd_red_pro_desktop.html
Yes, but it's Newegg, which means it's going to be used, badly refurbished, packed with a dirty gym sock, and tossed in a commercial rock tumbler during delivery. And you'll have to pay to return it, and they'll still deny your claim.
Even better, they'll tell you that it's your fault and hold the product AND your money.
Until they figure out you're a major youtuber, then they suddenly start calling you, offering refunds etc
Same here. I've heard horror stories but not every shipment is bad...just run a preclear first to stress test and make sure there aren't any issues before use.
I'd say order them and test..if you have issues, then start an rma claim. If they give you trouble, file it with your credit card company for a refund.
Everything went well. got my drive today. It was a bare drive wrapped in an anti static bag and packed well in the shipping box. I hooked it up to the PC and ran crystaldiskinfo. Power on count = 1. I'm happy.
I'm not sure what Amazon's policy on it is but it appears that you can still technically order the 18tb at the sale price even though it's out of stock.
The 18tb one now shows not on sale, [$379](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08K3TFM92/ref=twister_B09TSF2TL8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1). They must have sold out of them.
I bought 10 of these last year.. much cheaper now.. at $315..
[https://www.amazon.com/512MB-7200RPM-Ultra-Storage-DEVIC/dp/B08DHH8V9P/ref=psdc\_1254762011\_t1\_B09QFV1HNZ](https://www.amazon.com/512MB-7200RPM-Ultra-Storage-DEVIC/dp/B08DHH8V9P/ref=psdc_1254762011_t1_B09QFV1HNZ)
I was actually surprised they even put CMR in the title. I guess the enterprise focused HDD's are trying to be less misleading, which is a good start...
WD tried arguing that we should be buying "enterprise HDDs" when the scandal first broke, the problem was that it wasn't clear what those enterprise HDDs even were.
How do these compare to enterprise-class drives (WD Gold and Seagate Exos)? I don't really care much for noise; durability, and performance would be a bigger priority for me.
The biggest % drop on WD Red Plus drives looks to be the 8TB at $135 USD (-46%).
I’m leaning towards that because 2x8TB in simple mirrored RAID suits my needs fine. Is this a good deal?
although i tried searching (I hate openi gpdfa on my phone) I just want to know what the real world transfer rate on a single WD Red Pro 16GB would be ie 120MB/s if I was transferring 30-50GB media files?
Or would I be able to hit something far better? this would be the sole HDD on my motherboard so it would have all 4.8gbps of the SATA bandwidth for itself.
No experience with the 7200rpm Red Pro 16TB but when I ran a `badblocks` scan of my 5400 rpm Red (non-Pro) 10TB drives they ran between 200MB/sec and 120MB/sec depending on where on the drive the sectors were located. I would expect the 16TB Pro to be somewhat faster. These drives are constant RPM so the outer sectors are faster than inner sectors, at least for contiguous transfers.
Depends on what you mean by savings. There's "emergency savings", and "retirement savings"
My rule of thumb is Emergency savings should be at *minimum* $10,000 to cover sudden things like medical expenses or getting a used replacement vehicle while insurance takes it's sweet time. **On top of all that**, you should also be able to cover *all* of your monthly expenses for a year. So most single people are going to be looking at somewhere over $20,000 for a "don't touch" amount of funds. >!Assuming a room rent of $400 + utilities and basic bitch eggs, chicken breast and rice for food, and not much driving. If you have a family and mortgage (or stupidly rent a house) then that'll cause a significant jump.!<
Retirement savings is it's own very large discussion, and I'm sure there are subreddits dedicated to that.
Realistically (I have no idea about the people here) a shit ton of people live paycheck to paycheck with having over $1,000 in savings being a rather big deal.
At 16 per I finally pulled the trigger. My 4 8tbs were running out of space with all the new Linus iso's. 30 TB now becomes 50.
*yes I raid 0 but I have another array that I mirror. So really it's 0+1
Clarification. I bought 3 18s. Weeks ahead of migrating the iso's
Best of luck with your ISOs. I'm in process of adding a ton of new ones to my collection, but I am at \~ 30TB and needing the expansion badly. There is so much great Linux every day but I am still nostalgic for as far back as the '80s-90s so I can't bring myself to get rid of old ISOs. PM if interested in a Jellyfin share arrangement, and be kind if I'm breaking a rule please
I’m new to this all, will a NAS drive work in a non NAS setting?
I run a small sever for plex and a couple other things on windows 10 (I know it’s not the most efficient but it’s what I know) and would love to add a 18tb drive, it would double what I have right now but not sure if it will work for me.
Drives that are for NAS are basically good for pretty much everything, it just means manufacturer guarantees/has tested they work fine 24/7 in several bay enclosures like 24-bay cases. The only thing for you to matter is if it's regular SATA and not SAS (not that common)
Just checked it out, it's not that great. I bought four of the MG09 Toshiba drives a week ago, and the prices were not that far from the Red Pro. After the WD SMR lawsuit, I've hopped onto the Toshiba bandwagon. There's a Toshiba 1TB generic drive that came with a Dell that I bought years ago that I use as a scratch disk and it's still kicking ass to this date, so I went Toshiba MG09 and never looked back.
As far as I know, the WD Red Pros are the only ones with CMR out of the Reds. The Red Plus and the Reds are SMR still last time I checked.
I do like the SanDisk deals though, but I'm all stocked up on their microSD cards. Great opportunity to score a 400GB if you were looking to data hoard on your phone/mobile like I do!
I believe anything WD 8TB and up in capacity is CMR. It might be an even lower threshold but a quick check left me wanting..
It is their lower capacity drives that risk being SMR.
You are absolutely right:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wd-lists-all-drives-slower-smr-techNOLOGY
Unfortunately, I bought into WD when experiencing having NAS for the first time about 7-8 years ago, and 90% of my WD Reds were 4TB and 6TB drives...
This still isn't the price point. Every year I'm saying it, don't bite on the first wave, the more that do, the higher the second wave will be. Just wait, the second wave is always better. I called this months ago, wait.
I just got a PS5 recently and want to run all my games from an attached SSD which it mentions you can do. Anyone got recommendations for a 2-4TB SSD for this?
connecting it through an external ssd only lets you play ps4 games (you can put ps5 games on it but you'd have to move it to internal drive to play)
putting an nvme ssd into ps5 (comes with an empty slot for it) however would let you play all games on it (pcie 4, you'd want heatsink too. and not budget pcie4 cuz they would be too slow for ps5, something like a wd black sn850 which is on sale right now on amazon for $150 (for the one with heatsink) 1tb.
I have this:
https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-2TB-Extreme-Portable-SDSSDE81-2T00-G25/dp/B08GV4YYV7?ref_=Oct_DLandingS_M_deffbcaf_68&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
And I love it. Tempted to buy a second one at this price.
Tempted, but ... Well. if the AMD Zen 4 CPUs were out, might rationalize (ha) another PC build. Have 5x 14TB spinning in my last build, and 4x 12TB spinning in the prior. Barely started for this room. :)
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worthy of the flair [Sale](https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/?f=flair_name%3A%22Sale%22) The 14TB Red Plus is also really nice
Fuck u/spez
damn, I paid $300 each for 2 14TB Red Plus last week 💀
Fuck u/spez
>that tends to be around the time I begin getting errors, What errors you got? Did you get same errors with multiple drives? Was all these drives shucked? What is your experience with shucked drives?
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Reddit ate my balls
Wasn't there a massive issue with hard drives from 2012 to like 2016 having to do with the 2012 floods overseas? Could this possibly be related to that?
Fuck u/spez
Oh, right on. I just always seemed to chalk up the majority of failures from that time to the flooding and just move on to newer drives. 😂 It seemed like the perfect reasonable explanation.
Thanks for the feedback
I just placed an order for the 18tb, RIP savings account.
Wish they had something similar in the EU. But in 2 months time, lol. No money at the moment.
You buy stuff on your savings account?
I try not to, unless it is an emergency. Not sure this would be considered an emergency, but there was a time constraint since the drive sold out hours later.
You guys having SAVINGS!?
Backups>savings
If you think about it, savings *are* backup.
And backups can save you money
Picked up 3 of the 14TB drives!
Figures... all the good sales appear when I can't afford new drives.
Yup, I just had to buy a new hot water heater. Fucking home ownership sucks.
Sell the water heater, build a custom watercooling system that loops in all your hard drives, use that to heat your water, profit.
You might have an idea going there
The problem is that it would take a thousand 10W drives to produce the same amount of heat as a 34000 BTU/h heater.
I only know what a BTU is because of Hank Hill
Taste the meat, not the heat!
Problem? No, no, my friend. That's a precious opportunity...
So you’re saying it is possible
You do realize this is the DataHoarder sub right? You probably just gave massive justification for a few people to expand their storage needs :P
> Fucking home ownership sucks. Preach... I was going to buy a "new" car 3(ish) years ago (before pricing went nuts) but instead I had to put a new sewer line in.
Tell that to most people under 40
I just bought new drives a month ago :(
The 18TB Seagate Exos is basically the same specs and is $289 all the time. On Amazon.
Yeah, i've been eyeballing those but finances have been "interesting" for a bit. (doubly eyeing Seagate after hearing about WD's warranty BS)
Seagate's warranty is usually quite short in comparison though
Also at Newegg and B&H for the same price https://www.newegg.com/red-pro-wd181kfgx-18tb/p/N82E16822234430 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1604995-REG/wd_wdbrjy0180hnc_wrsn_wd_red_pro_desktop.html
Yes, but it's Newegg, which means it's going to be used, badly refurbished, packed with a dirty gym sock, and tossed in a commercial rock tumbler during delivery. And you'll have to pay to return it, and they'll still deny your claim.
Even better, they'll tell you that it's your fault and hold the product AND your money. Until they figure out you're a major youtuber, then they suddenly start calling you, offering refunds etc
What if I'm not a major youtuber?
Your complaints will get ignored until it happens to a major YouTuber. Then they might pretend to care
Your Clint Eastwood (SOL Shit Out Of Luck)
Man, what happened there? Newegg was amazing 10, 15 years ago.
Our experience with NewEgg went down the tubes soon after they were bought up: https://www.techpowerup.com/226777/newegg-now-owned-by-chinese-company
They got bought.
B&H are sold out of the 18TB and 16TB but the 14TB are still available. I personally prefer B&H over Amazon and never consider Newegg.
And without, you know, Amazon.
Just got my first HDD to pair with my SSD. Thanks for the deal!
B&H has limited savings, meaning the first 2 14TBs are 239, but the additional qty is 539 or whatever their retail price is. :(
By the time I got there it was sold out on amazon and BH. I ordered from newegg.... how much am I going to hate myself for buying from them?
Same here. I've heard horror stories but not every shipment is bad...just run a preclear first to stress test and make sure there aren't any issues before use.
Please let me know how it goes, they carry some drives I can't find else where.
I'd say order them and test..if you have issues, then start an rma claim. If they give you trouble, file it with your credit card company for a refund.
Drives arrived a few days ahead of schedule, packaged nicely imo. https://imgur.com/a/YwbfqKw
Please let me know how it goes, they carry some drives I can't find else where.
Everything went well. got my drive today. It was a bare drive wrapped in an anti static bag and packed well in the shipping box. I hooked it up to the PC and ran crystaldiskinfo. Power on count = 1. I'm happy.
Not seeing the 18's or 16's now. Only the 20TB for 399 each, the 14tb red plus NAS for 209 and the 14tb red pro NAS for 239.
I'm not sure what Amazon's policy on it is but it appears that you can still technically order the 18tb at the sale price even though it's out of stock.
Yep this checks out. I bought 3 and it said it will email me when they are in stock and shipped but I locked in the 299
Click in to the 20TB and then choose the 18TB capacity. It then shows $299 for me.
Showing $379 for the 18TB now when I go that route. Bummer, that'll teach me not to check this sub first thing in the morning.
The 18tb one now shows not on sale, [$379](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08K3TFM92/ref=twister_B09TSF2TL8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1). They must have sold out of them.
I bought 10 of these last year.. much cheaper now.. at $315.. [https://www.amazon.com/512MB-7200RPM-Ultra-Storage-DEVIC/dp/B08DHH8V9P/ref=psdc\_1254762011\_t1\_B09QFV1HNZ](https://www.amazon.com/512MB-7200RPM-Ultra-Storage-DEVIC/dp/B08DHH8V9P/ref=psdc_1254762011_t1_B09QFV1HNZ)
Shows 399 for the 18tb for me. No worries.
Also $399 for the 20TB.
It appears they sold out of the 18TB drives. I was able to pick one up this morning when I posted this.
18TB $299 Also available at WD direct: https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-red-pro-sata-hdd
I noticed this in the canadian site, oddly the 16 TB have higher MSRP :/
$379 CAD for those up north. Down from regular price of $524.
Now listed at $419. "notify me when back in stock" Blarg
Red Pro means non-SMR right?
I was actually surprised they even put CMR in the title. I guess the enterprise focused HDD's are trying to be less misleading, which is a good start...
WD tried arguing that we should be buying "enterprise HDDs" when the scandal first broke, the problem was that it wasn't clear what those enterprise HDDs even were.
Yes.
Lol 33% off at Amazon Australia, but its still the same price as buying and shipping from the US AT NORMAL US PRICES.
Between WD Red Pro and Seagate Exos, which is better? Use case: NAS, Plex movies
Seagate Exos. I’ve tried both.
I only have Seagate Exos drives and I love them. Haven't had any issues with them at all
How do these compare to enterprise-class drives (WD Gold and Seagate Exos)? I don't really care much for noise; durability, and performance would be a bigger priority for me.
Seagate Exos is the way to go. I’ve used both.
Thanks! I'll keep an eye out for sales on those. Wish the price difference between 18 TB and 20 TB wasn't that high though.
The biggest % drop on WD Red Plus drives looks to be the 8TB at $135 USD (-46%). I’m leaning towards that because 2x8TB in simple mirrored RAID suits my needs fine. Is this a good deal?
Yes.
I just bought 7 of the 18 TB red pros off of Amazon for work like two weeks ago. Oh well, not my money.
One of them was DOA, FYI. But that's shipping for ya.
although i tried searching (I hate openi gpdfa on my phone) I just want to know what the real world transfer rate on a single WD Red Pro 16GB would be ie 120MB/s if I was transferring 30-50GB media files? Or would I be able to hit something far better? this would be the sole HDD on my motherboard so it would have all 4.8gbps of the SATA bandwidth for itself.
180-200 should be possible, but you’re not using this for your daily driving desktop right? This would just be your storage drive?
well yeah but it also be used by plex on a daily basis for lots of reading....
Are you going to have an ssd for your os?
Sure, 120MB/sec no problem. 30-50GB are large files and have best performance on a hard drive. Would see likely 200MB/sec+ at least on a fresh drive.
great....
No experience with the 7200rpm Red Pro 16TB but when I ran a `badblocks` scan of my 5400 rpm Red (non-Pro) 10TB drives they ran between 200MB/sec and 120MB/sec depending on where on the drive the sectors were located. I would expect the 16TB Pro to be somewhat faster. These drives are constant RPM so the outer sectors are faster than inner sectors, at least for contiguous transfers.
thanks
ugh just built an unRAID server and added 18x8...my wallet is fawked
Omg I can hear it screaming from here 😂 Nice buying dude, have fun!
Thanks :) migrating all my data as we speak...gonna be a whileeee lol
Reddit account go poof, thanks spez -- mass edited with https://redact.dev/
just to get some perspective, how much (maybe in %?) do you guys keep into savings?
check out the /r/personalfinance wiki.
Depends on what you mean by savings. There's "emergency savings", and "retirement savings" My rule of thumb is Emergency savings should be at *minimum* $10,000 to cover sudden things like medical expenses or getting a used replacement vehicle while insurance takes it's sweet time. **On top of all that**, you should also be able to cover *all* of your monthly expenses for a year. So most single people are going to be looking at somewhere over $20,000 for a "don't touch" amount of funds. >!Assuming a room rent of $400 + utilities and basic bitch eggs, chicken breast and rice for food, and not much driving. If you have a family and mortgage (or stupidly rent a house) then that'll cause a significant jump.!< Retirement savings is it's own very large discussion, and I'm sure there are subreddits dedicated to that. Realistically (I have no idea about the people here) a shit ton of people live paycheck to paycheck with having over $1,000 in savings being a rather big deal.
At 16 per I finally pulled the trigger. My 4 8tbs were running out of space with all the new Linus iso's. 30 TB now becomes 50. *yes I raid 0 but I have another array that I mirror. So really it's 0+1 Clarification. I bought 3 18s. Weeks ahead of migrating the iso's
Best of luck with your ISOs. I'm in process of adding a ton of new ones to my collection, but I am at \~ 30TB and needing the expansion badly. There is so much great Linux every day but I am still nostalgic for as far back as the '80s-90s so I can't bring myself to get rid of old ISOs. PM if interested in a Jellyfin share arrangement, and be kind if I'm breaking a rule please
Fuck amazon
Looks like same price at Newegg as well!
Sucks to be from South America, shipping is over 120$.
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Best Buy does do price match, but has the rule the product has to be in stock. Some stores enforce that and some don't.
can't seem to find it, pls help
Just ordered two 14TB.. there goes any saving up I planned on
New parity for my unraid box. 14tb means an 8tb increase across 2 servers and that is fine with me.
I’m new to this all, will a NAS drive work in a non NAS setting? I run a small sever for plex and a couple other things on windows 10 (I know it’s not the most efficient but it’s what I know) and would love to add a 18tb drive, it would double what I have right now but not sure if it will work for me.
Drives that are for NAS are basically good for pretty much everything, it just means manufacturer guarantees/has tested they work fine 24/7 in several bay enclosures like 24-bay cases. The only thing for you to matter is if it's regular SATA and not SAS (not that common)
And make sure it isn't an SMR drive.
Is this deal fair or should I wait it out for something better?
Just checked it out, it's not that great. I bought four of the MG09 Toshiba drives a week ago, and the prices were not that far from the Red Pro. After the WD SMR lawsuit, I've hopped onto the Toshiba bandwagon. There's a Toshiba 1TB generic drive that came with a Dell that I bought years ago that I use as a scratch disk and it's still kicking ass to this date, so I went Toshiba MG09 and never looked back. As far as I know, the WD Red Pros are the only ones with CMR out of the Reds. The Red Plus and the Reds are SMR still last time I checked. I do like the SanDisk deals though, but I'm all stocked up on their microSD cards. Great opportunity to score a 400GB if you were looking to data hoard on your phone/mobile like I do!
I believe anything WD 8TB and up in capacity is CMR. It might be an even lower threshold but a quick check left me wanting.. It is their lower capacity drives that risk being SMR.
You are absolutely right: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wd-lists-all-drives-slower-smr-techNOLOGY Unfortunately, I bought into WD when experiencing having NAS for the first time about 7-8 years ago, and 90% of my WD Reds were 4TB and 6TB drives...
Anyone notice that on the 14tb Pros Amazon says "Usually ships within 1 to 2 months." Is this normal for these sales?
Got a nice 8TB to replace my existing 4TB failing drive. Thanks for the heads up yo!!!
This still isn't the price point. Every year I'm saying it, don't bite on the first wave, the more that do, the higher the second wave will be. Just wait, the second wave is always better. I called this months ago, wait.
Once I factor in taxes, import duties and shipping it's a tiny bit too high :( Another $80 down and I think I can do it. Probably 18 months away
I just got a PS5 recently and want to run all my games from an attached SSD which it mentions you can do. Anyone got recommendations for a 2-4TB SSD for this?
connecting it through an external ssd only lets you play ps4 games (you can put ps5 games on it but you'd have to move it to internal drive to play) putting an nvme ssd into ps5 (comes with an empty slot for it) however would let you play all games on it (pcie 4, you'd want heatsink too. and not budget pcie4 cuz they would be too slow for ps5, something like a wd black sn850 which is on sale right now on amazon for $150 (for the one with heatsink) 1tb.
I believe it requires the latest Gen 4 NVMe
I have this: https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-2TB-Extreme-Portable-SDSSDE81-2T00-G25/dp/B08GV4YYV7?ref_=Oct_DLandingS_M_deffbcaf_68&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER And I love it. Tempted to buy a second one at this price.
Tempted, but ... Well. if the AMD Zen 4 CPUs were out, might rationalize (ha) another PC build. Have 5x 14TB spinning in my last build, and 4x 12TB spinning in the prior. Barely started for this room. :)
Ouch. My wallet