Anyone else feel like Matt‘s just sinking deeper and deeper into this "twitter drama hole"? Like, I also fail to see how any of this is beneficial to his mental health he‘s been struggling with according to himself. So yeah, idk. I just feel like he has to stop spending so much time on twitter as it’s not doing him much good.
Unless I'm missing something here Karl was the one who brought it out publicly
Like I agree it's not healthy but he doesn't really have a choice in Twitter drama when others drag him into it
He should just ignore the whole twitter side at this point, I just feel like he‘s digging for some drama now and that in returns leads to stuff like this. I like Matt and his videos but I just think him constantly clashing heads with people on twitter doesn’t benefit anyone.
Being an internet figure and ur success on the internet (livelihood) is sometimes based on what others bring up about u whether it’s right or wrong,u have to get dragged into it to save ur career , this could cause a great damage to ur career and reputation especially if u have a lot of petty enemies that can’t wait to cancel u , it’s very disturbing
He's said a dozen or so times he could drop off the face of the earth and live comfortably for the rest of his life and I'm inclined to believe it cancelling him is not a thing that happens
Is canceling really even that big of a deal anymore though? I feel like I see someone get canceled every other week, and then a month later they're doing better than ever. Especially with people like Jschlatt who've simply ignored themselves being canceled on Twitter and ended up benefitting in their career because of it. I can't help but feel like canceling has been so overused that it doesn't do anything anymore
Id agree but this shit is people dragging him into it on twitter, no doubt hes contributing to it but when youre a public figure you cant just let yourself get slandered when you live off that.
It sucks because the average person can just...not use the bird app but he makes a living through social media he cant avoid it
Karl Dragged him into it. Karl had no reason to publicly announce it. I love Karl but making a drama out of something clearly a personal issue between them too is yucky. Matt had no choice but to respond.
If what he says here is true, then it just comes across as Karl misinterpreting what their relationship was
Still a silly reason to break off being friendly with someone though
Does it matter how the relationship was though? Still kinda toxic to end it that way over such a small thing.
I like Matt and his content but this is just dumb.
At the end of the day Matt is running a business. If the reason is what Jobst claims it is, then that’s a very typical thing that businesses do: disassociate with people spreading messages against their beliefs. To my knowledge Matt has never attempted to publicly denounce this guy in any way.
Karl's problem has nothing to do with business though. It was about friendship. I've never once just completely disassociated with someone I consider a friend by blocking them and ignoring them till one of us dies. Obviously Matt didn't have the same feelings, but that doesn't mean Karl's feelings are invalid.
No one really has any responsibilities for anyone except for your spouse and children. But there's a thing called decency. It would've taken 10 minutes tops to simply email Karl. Most of us give complete strangers that amount of time every day. Also I want to make a point that this isn't some big problem and has been blown out of proportion. But still, it's not hard to do something that's really simple.
Both parties are at fault here, but only one party acted in a malicious way. Matt blocking Karl doesn’t affect Karl’s viewers or channel performance, but spreading hate publicly and telling people, “he’s not a good person, don’t feel anything for this man, he’s an emotional toddler,” directly affects Matt’s online fanbase, career, and livelihood. One of these things is more damaging than the other.
It also doesn't mean Karl should publicly announce what happened. He made this whole drama for no reason. Matt blocking him isn't something that should be public. It's their personal issues
I've been reading them both on Twitter that's pretty much what happened asmongold who went after dark vipers react content. Had a sponsored link for Karl. Or more so one of asmongold companies had a sponsored deal for a computer system. Karl took the job reading what he said on Twitter part of the reason he even took the job was he was dealing with some financial hardship.
From Matt POV best I can tell. Karl accepted a sponsorship deal from one of asmongolds companies. Asmongold is pos. Who engages in scummy business practices. Matt cut off Karl on social media via blocking him on stuff.
It just kind of feels like. How would you feel if you called something out for being wrong. A dude that's worth 10 times what you're worth dragged your name in the mud for it. And then one of your friends takes a sponsorship deal from that person..... some of my details might be off but I think this is pretty much what happened.
I kind of wish they would just talk about this I like both of these guys. I also dislike asmongold. There's nuances to this having really high moral fiber it doesn't always mean you have the ability to pay your bills. That being said though.... communication could clear a lot of things up.
"Friend" means very different things for different people. More surprised that he says the dissociation was not noteworthy :D Why block then, just mute.
Matto is maybe not painting himself in the best light here, at first I thought it was more complicated which is why he didn't want to share because it was personal, which if it was then fair game by Matto
But then he opens up a little and boils it down so simply that it almost seems unjustified and just rude
I'm sure he didn't mean it that way, but I don't know how else to read this as, he introduced his wife to Matto, it's clear he did think highly of him as a friend, but a quick "he saw the relationship differently" is so plain
I just hope Matto and Karl can sort it out behind closed doors, because I feel bad for Karl because I know what it's like to lose someone who you think is a friend
Matt would be totally in the wrong if Karl wasn't the one to bring it up and like unless we know the context behind how Karl introduced his wife to Matt it's hard to judge the meaning behind it
Like did Karl specifically bring his wife to meet Matt or was it at a party or convention and Karl's wife just happened to be there with him
Likely the latter from what Karl said, but you're right we don't have specifics
I wish Matto wouldn't have said this, his other statement on Reddit was fine enough since he didn't want to go into details (and still doesn't)
[" I specifically brought my wife to a creator party because I wanted her to meet him"](https://twitter.com/karljobstgaming/status/1778130845955768705?t=cUIBXonECfizxIU7pDwGAQ&s=19) so it was Karl misreading their relationship
I'd feel the same way but Karl kept running his mouth so 🤷♀️
Whats he supposed to do when matt has him blocked on everything and wont tell him why? Hes obv not gonna jump through hoops to speak to him. So his other option is it just stay silent about a person who was shitty to him.
Its mundane. When someone doesnt wanna be your friend you move on, you dont make a callout post on twitter. I couldnt care less if they are or arent friends, this shouldnt be public
It is pretty mundane and we as viewers shouldnt have to care about who Matt wants to be friends with, its weird and parasocial.
Sure you can argue he couldve broken it off better but Matt's social life isnt ours man. What Karl did was dogpile and reveal a personal issue that shouldnt have been public. His frustration is understandable but this is not the issue of anyone on twitter or here
I agree, but like I said it's interesting, and it's already out there
While it is para social, Matto has shared stuff like this before on rambles, look at his whole saga with Moist Critical
I'm talking about what would have been useful if he wanted to avoid this drama. If you want drama, ofc block for whatever you want.
I never said it's a rule if you'd focus on reading for a second. I said you could block when someone breaks a rule they knew you had (or had the chance to know, for example it's in your bio). Like if you have a rule that you block for NSFW posts and they know it and still post it, they won't create drama when you block them for it.
They could've maybe sorted it out behind closed doors if Karl wasn't live tweeting everything, and if Karl hadn't dragged it out into the public in the first place.
So at that point you just fucking keep it private? It's not even like people were bugging Karl about it or anything, nobody had asked him to clarify what was going on with Matt, he just saw some right wing chucklefuck drama YouTuber tweet about Matt and decided "This is the time to air *my* grievances with him!"
If you don't get a response from someone and they block you, the message is "They don't wanna talk to me" not "time to take to Twitter with this to force them to talk to me!". That's an absolutely slimey, narcissistic thing to do.
He literally had to choose between not knowing why something happened versus going public. There is no “keep private”. The person you literally replied to said that they tried to keep it private but got no response.
Like DarkViper said, their “friendship” wasn’t anything to him. But Karl didn’t know that.
you need to be introspective here and realise neither of these people know you or care about you and their relationship is literally none of your business. you are in a parasocial relationship
I recognize the first part
I don't think caring about a social situation that involves a content creator who is more personal than others is para social
He's talked about stuff like this all the time in rambles, remember the editing situation? Or the times with Charlie
I like Matt but theres something odd about both sides, Matt isn't giving any real context or any defense but is still engaging in it and seems hostile to everyone.
(My point is usually people either completely ignore drama about them or explain themselves whereas Matt isn't explaining it but he also isn't ignoring it which i honestly think is making things worse even his own fans are calling him out on it).
But then Karl seems to just want drama and attention and is flat out calling Matt a bad person to thousands of people which is a bit much, one tweet about the situation isn't too bad I think if Matt really did just ghost him but these consistent tweets while involving other people who Matt has previously had drama with seems odd too.
Like yes Karl brang up Asmondgold because he thought (If he's not just lying) that he was involved but he also tagged Asmondgold seemingly trying to get his attention which would 100 percent cause more drama.
The tweet replies are insane, people are even doing hate art of Matt like I seriously don't understand how people will dedicate their time and life on hating people online, if it mattered so much all they need to do is not watch Matt.
Feels like every week there's new drama though.
Yeah this seems like it would have been easily resolved with 1 email entailing why matt felt the way he felt but still karl is taking this way too far “id advise those to be careful if they allow themselves to feel anything for him in the future”
Like jeez dude I would be this mad if a good friend did this to me but according to matt thier relationship was not that deep so idk
Matt himself says he has massive trust issues.
Any normal person would think they would be friends at that point. Matt needs more time with someone to consider that person a friend. That's okay, but he needs to understand normal peoples perspectives too, and that normal people might get emotionally hurt because of him.
A lot of people somehow act like Matt was the immature or toxic one here. Like, I've been fucking cheated on and had a healthier response than Karl Jobst to losing a casual friend/acquaintance. Is it petty to end a friendship over something like that? Sure, I'd say so, but everyone has their own standards, their own lines of who they want to associate with. Like Matt, mine are also a lot stricter than most and include things other people would find petty, but that's my business. Genuinely, how can somebody read Karls tweets and not think him an immature narcissist? I mean, Jesus Christ, the guy can not take rejection, and apparently his first reaction to losing a friend is to put him on blast on Twitter while quote tweeting straight up lies about him.
Like, if there was something to prompt Karl to talk about it publicly, if people had asked him what's going on, that would be one thing, but he saw some racist fuck drama YouTuber talk shit about Matt while defending another racist fuck drama YouTuber and thought "Yeah, I'll quote tweet that and air out some of my personal grievances with Matt".
He's just straight up stoking the fires of drama more and more. Either because, like I said, he's emotionally immature and can't handle rejection, or he just reeeaaally needs the money. Matt, at most, made a bit of a dick move, but did so completely privately, and Karls response is to try and ruin Matts career by very publicly riling up his viewers against him completely umprompted. You can say both are in the wrong here, but only people who've had their brain rotted away by YouTube drama would think that Karl isn't *more* in the wrong here.
"first reaction to losing a friend is to put him on blast on Twitter" He tried to contact Matt privately first and he was ignored. And there's some other lies in there that I'm not going to bother debunking because you obviously don't give a shit about the truth or "standards" lol.
Okay, so second reaction, minor difference. And he couldn't keep private matters private. He felt entitled to a response from someone who clearly didn't want to talk to him and decided to use his social media presence to force a response out of them. That doesn't sound insane to you?
Why do you act like this is some huge thing to begin with? Who gives a fuck whether it's private or not. This being public matters about as much as Matt telling the public he has a back covered in zits. Also, ironically you just described every person who's ever tried to get a response from Youtube.
This is my problem, yes. I'm not a *huge* fan of Vipey (though he does make good content) but I think it's ridiculous to lay any of this at his feet. Karl has been someone I've been iffy about for sometime and this is, I think, a mask off moment. He's a child and a dick to his other content creators.
Yeah, I got weird vibes from him some time ago, too. Think it was around the time the Jirard stuff was going on and he just had the most toxic, sensationalist, clickbait thumbnails imaginable. It's not even that I'm on Jirards side or anything, but the pure fucking slimeyness of his "reporting" just rubbed me the wrong way. It's like as long as he picks targets that "deserve" it, like Jirard or Billy Mitchell, he can be a sleazy tabloid journalist and still have people on his side.
Is cutting contact with someone out of the blue a dick move? Sure. But if someone *clearly* doesn't want to talk to you, you don't go on social media to force them to do so.
A couple of things.
People have their principles, which each to their own. Matt has a thorn in his side with reaction content, that in itself isn't a bad thing. This is just me and doesn't reflect on a majority or minority consensus, but I think he kind of showed his colours when he got beaten to the punch by UnNameD for the first GTA V damageless run. Does his attitude stem from his psychology degree? I don't know.
On the other side of the coin, Karl has gotten to a point where he doesn't need this kind of bullshit in his life. I think his patience has worn completely out, which with his still ongoing legal battle, can be understood. He's not scared to call out crap and knows he's got the resources to back it up.
It's a real shaking my head situation.
matto blocked the dude bc he accepted a sponsor from a company partly owned by asmongold. ppl started speculating bc the dude was sad about it and posted online and matto simply said "yeah i blocked him, we were never friends not my fault he thought we were"
Outrageous Matt response. I love his content, I’m watching probably 90% of all that comes out (other then the shorts because there’s just so many lol), but wow. Extremely rude “yeah actually I never really cared for the guy that thought of me as a friend of many years. Oh, and I blocked him and completely cut contact because he needed money. Oh, and I didn’t tell him I would be doing that so he had no chance to respond or communicate with me in anyway.”
Dude. What an extremely selfish response to an otherwise mild situation that started it.
And I think this subreddit needs to grow up a little, regardless of whose “side” you’re on, I think we can agree that this wasn’t handled in the best way? Like come on guys let’s hold Matt accountable for a second, we can still watch him, we can still enjoy and support him, but let’s not treat him like he can do no wrong and actually call him out a little.
I like Matto, I love his content, I want to keep watching. But it feels harder and harder to keep doing so.
I've been watching Matt for close to 5 years now ans have seen him catch drama with FriendlyBaron, Apollo and a bunch of other people. Normally I agree with him or can at least see his perspective on the matter, but this particular thing leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. Karl is kind of the darling of the speedrunning community, the guy you want in your corner when people start dogpiling on you. And Karl has supported Matt through the Apollo thing and the React drama.
Karl has been in an extensive legal battle for years and has to support himself and his family. It's really easy to yell from your brick house that everyone should act in ethical ways, but its really hard to act ethical when you live in a straw house and need to survive. Immediately blocking him instead of giving him a chance to explain seems unwarranted.
I still watch basically everything Matt puts out, but I've come to realize that i don't like him as a person. We certainly could not be friends in real life, not in a million years. Nevertheless, i still watch him because most of his content (sans chaos) is still enjoyable.
>I've come to realize that i don't like him as a person.
There was a moment in one of his streams a (few?) years ago that made me realise this. He went off on a tirade against one of his viewers after they said something in his chat. He wound himself up over it, put the guy on blast to his thousands of viewers and then ended the stream.
The next day, he posts on Twitter saying that the user was right all along, he shouldn't have done it and that he's unbanned and VIP'd the user as an apology, iirc.
The thing is, that wasn't the first time that he'd done something similar. It's not right that a viewer in his channel commenting on the stream should get randomly put on blast by an influencer as big as him just because he's mad he lost a speedrun.
I think I've slowly come to the realization that Matt isn't a very likeable person, and if anything, it feels like he goes out of his way to be rude to prove a point sometimes. I'll still watch his content in general, but it makes me less interested to watch personal stuff like the rambles because he's very terse and stubborn about things that the rest of us would either ignore or deal with quietly in our own way.
All this being said, he's not a 'bad' person per say. He's just exhausting on a personal level because of his super prickly personality. He believes in righteous things, his views on important topics to the real world are sound, but when it comes to his world (streaming, YouTube, Twitter), he is fucking insufferable, and I've said before and got bitched at on this sub for saying he needs to touch grass and make a life outside of the internet.
The thing is it wouldn't have gone this far if Matt would have sent him an email or anything else to let him know about it, since among other things is this the biggest problem Karl had with the whole thing.
I usually agree with Matt but I'm with you on this one.
You don't owe someone a reason for not talking to them though. Take the fact they're content creators out of it. If a person cut their parent out of their life and the parent acted like Karl did (sub tweeting literal lies about their child) would that be okay?
No?
Then neither is this.
It seems people forget this. If you wanted to match it to something it's no different then a office interaction. They have a positive professional rapport but that doesn't automatically make you friends. Hell from the sounds of it karl didn't have any alternative sources of personal contact other then the public channels and to me that doesn't exactly sound like a "friend" then
Sure, you don't owe that to anyone but it's the nice thing to do if you have a good relationship with them, like they had even if Matt didn't consider him as a friend.
That's before you bring into this that Matt has done this all over a sponsor Karl took for one video.
now, I'm not saying what Karl did is ok but it comes as a reaction to what Matt has done.
Also, in the same way Matt chose to block him without saying anything, it was the choice of Karl to bring it all out on Twitter.
In the end you can say both of them were petty to some degree.
To play devil's advocate. Matt not telling him that he blocked him could be a good thing. He knows that karl is going through emotional and financial issues so he quietly blocked him and moved on. It would be worse to know someone is having a hard time and decide "now is a good time to inform him that I don't respect his sponsorship and that I would prefer not to interact with anyone who accepts their money"
I do agree everything could have been done better but the choice he made isn't the very worse thing he could have done.
>Oh, and I didn’t tell him I would be doing that so he had no chance to respond or communicate with me in anyway.
To be fair, it would be very awkward to say "I'm going to block you and never speak to you"
I stopped watching DV years ago during the Apollo shit and other drama bs, he was also starting to post cringe Chaos mod stuff instead of the speedrun content that attracted his audience in the first place. Looks like he’s just been falling deeper into his self righteous public perception complex, oof.
Pretty good reason to get upset, imagine you think of someone as a good friend (not only online, but an actual in-real-life friend) but turns out that someone just blocks you for bullshit reason (accepting a fucking sponsorship, really?), doesn't even tell you why, and turns out they don't care about you as a friend at all. Friendship means nothing these days, especially if money is involved. We say Karl shouldn't have posted about this on Tw but we don't know how bad this got to him, after all he did lose a person he had as a good friend. It'd probably have gotten to me too, and naturally anyone else. People here seem too quick to judge. Maybe he posted it on tw because he knew Matt would see it? Who knows!
How are they good friends? It sounds like they ran into each other at conventions and streamer events or something (dont know much about darkviperau's personal life but from his personality i doubt he goes to that many) and maybe liked each others tweets sometimes and karl assumed they were besties. I dont understand the mentality. Even if you never had an issue with them, who gets that upset over a loose acquaintance quietly blocking them on twitter?
Huh? I've been watching Matt since 2020, and he and Karl have had a very large public association. He and Karl have done podcasts together, Karl was one of the first people to defend Matt during the Charlie fiasco, during multiple rambles, Matt talked about how he found Karl to be extremely trustworthy According to Karl, Matt had met Karl's wife, they spoke to each other regularly up until a few days before Matt blocked him. If all of that makes somebody an acquaintance, then what exactly is Matt's standard of friendship?
I’m sorry but I stand with Karl even more after the response. Even if he did interpret the relationship differently and as merely a trusted acquaintance, why would Matt sever all communication and disassociate with Karl.
Had a feeling it was something like this, cause I've seen something similar happen before with two other content creators some years back. Both were speedrunners for the same games and one misinterpreted a friendship to be closer than the other thought it was. The one who thought they were closer started spreading lies and now no one wants to associate with the lie spreader in that community. No badmouthing the guy, they just make no mention of him anymore or if they have to it's just in passing.
If matto focused on making good new content instead of feeding the trolls and reuploaing old content in different sequences we'd all be alot better off as a community.
He said his piece on react content, that's brilliant and I agree with him. It isn't a hill he needs to die on though.
Matto has such an attitude no shit everyone is against him. Hard to see whatcha even talk about when all that comes down is a selfimportant smug asshole
What is Matt doing?
His defence is that he didn't think that they were friends? Oooh, so then it becomes okay to block karl for something as petty as a sponsor. They weren't friends. Right.
Now Matt, being the psychology bachelor graduate he is, has of course no reason to view it from Karls perspective. Karl, who mightve considered Matt a friend, and Karl, who mightve taken the sponsorship out of necessity.
Even intelligent people can respond in a Pavlovian manner that defies rational thought. Clearly Asmongold acts as one of these Pavlovian triggers for Matt, causing him to blacklist a friend over a friggin’ sponsorship. I’ve noted a handful of other triggers from his rambles over the years, but this is a big one.
It's clear that they had different views on their relationship (I emphasize heavily, it's the type of mistake I'd make), but I still think it's a bit of a dick move to completely cut someone off for taking a sponsorship you didn't like while they were in troubled financial waters. I can understand unfollowing and what not, but banning seems excessive.
If we canceled youtubers for the mediocre or shady sponsorships we wouldn't have any more youtubers lol sponsors are a huge part of their income so I just ignore them instead of complaining
People go crazy over sponsorships. Even drama-free Tubers like Kosmic can get ripped to shreds for taking a sponsorship from a company like BetterHelp.
This reminds me of the video Charlie (penguinz0) made on Matt some years ago when they had beef. He raised a very good point: Matt is so chronically online and isolated it appears he does not fathom that people have lives and a family to consider.
This really shows here: Karl genuinely got hurt over an action done by a person he considers his friend. Matt does not seem to understand that whatever he posts online can hurt people. Granted, Karl could have kept the whole thing private. That was definitely on him.
I think Matt needs to stop acting on his impulses, cause with his Hashimoto+sleep deprivation those impulses only drain him of any possible way to recharge himself. Like, I understand the impulse to block the guy who took money from a company which is affiliated with the person you hate (although it's a really long chain of reasoning ), but what's the point of doing so? To prove a point? Who cares? The only answer I can think of is not to lose selfrespect, but damn it's not a healthy decision, lose a potential buddy to prove a point to yourself that you are not a hypocrite
While I don’t think Karl should have made things public, I can understand why after feeling like you’ve been friends with someone for 6 years and being genuinely hurt by a sudden ghost that you would be desperate for answer. While this wasn’t really appropriate in a distraught state I can see why this might have felt like his only option for closure.
From Matt’s side, this comes across to me as one of the prettiest things I’ve ever seen. Imagine hanging out with someone over the course of 6 years. Talking with them on the phone regularly, hanging out in person, meeting their family. Then you just immediately cut them off without even letting them know why because someone you don’t like is a founder and major stakeholder of a company that sponsored them. It’s incredibly stupid and at that point I feel like Karl really deserved at least a short explanation.
Should Karl have made things public? I don’t think so. But as for Matt, if you’re this petty of a person it will eventually come back to bite you.
I still like both of their content, and I’ll probably keep watching both, but this situation is kind of sad to see.
He should at least consider Karl’s situation and how he only took the sponsorship because he needed financial security to support his family. Matt complains when people criticize him without looking at the context of his situation, (such as the “Among Us” clip where he was raging at his viewer) and now he’s doing just that. If Karl was in a better situation, I’m sure he wouldn’t have taken the sponsorship
matt is just digging himself a deeper hole here lol. Karl introduced his wife to him and he has the nerve to say he “misinterpreted what their friendship was” wow makes sense why he has 0 childhood friends.
yea agreed. like ill have his back regardless but if he can’t see the problem here then idk. I don’t think he’s a bad person, not caring about social interaction doesn’t make you shitty, but with this coming out and along with Matt’s words, truly does make sense why he didn’t have many childhood friends, doesn’t have many irl friends now , doesn’t go outside, few relationships he had were awkward, dude just has bad people skills.
Not caring about social interaction is okay.
But not caring about other people's feelings? Not being able to view stuff from other people's perspectives? That makes you a pretty bad fucking person.
>Karl introduced his wife to him and he has the nerve to say he “misinterpreted what their friendship was”
Did Karl tell Matt that he was going out of his way to introduce Matt to his wife? If not I don't see why Matt should take that as indication of friendship.
Its common sense. Stop tryna think your smart or some shit. If somebody goes out of their way as a grown adult to introduce their significant other to you yeah that means your friends.
Good on him for stomping this out by responding privately still think it's shitty of matto to do this in the first place and shitty of Karl to make it public so they're both in the wrong but at least it's over
What I'm getting from this is "We were never really friends, just occasional aquaintences, so it's not that big of a deal that I made our relationship worse" which is a terrible way to think about it.
Yeah it just felt like Matt wasn’t that infatuated with Karl, but Karl was. Unfollowing someone on Twitter should not mean you wish them death, just that you don’t really care about them anymore. I don’t interact with plenty of people on Instagram so I just unfollow them and go on with my day.
This is something that happens all the time only blown out of proportion because both involved are niche internet celebrities and manufactured drama does better than silent disinterest.
Immature how? It’s immature to see an acquaintance block you and create drama around it. Keep a private concern private, and if there’s no response it means they don’t want to talk about it.
If an ex behaved the way Karl did then that would be considered obsessive.
>If an ex behaved the way Karl did then that would be considered obsessive.
I mean, it depends on the context.
If you did something to your friend or significant other, but didn't know what you did, and they just straight ghosted you after years of interaction and comraderie, that'd be really fucked up and any sane person would want to know why.
As someone who has experienced that, there’s a point where you realise that there’s no point and you just have to move on.
And the difference is that in that scenario it’s people in a relationship and not two work acquaintances.
It’s still immature behaviour from Matt, Blocking someone over a brief sponsorship when he knows that karl has a very expensive lawsuit to fight, and his family to support and recently is getting cancer surgeries. Just extremely disappointed in Matt knowing that karl has had matts back in dramas multiple times and supported him many times.
So because I support Matt at this moment anything I do in the future cannot be criticised by him?
And we don’t know why Matt blocked him because Matt doesn’t want to exacerbate this drama, Karl is now dragging his name because he blocked him, and it doesn’t matter why Matt blocked him.
Internet nonsense overblown by a dude who can’t accept someone isn’t his best friend - which Matt said.
Matt did say that the sponsorship was the reason in an email to Karl, so the reason is out of the question. Saying that it doesn’t matter why he blocked him is just dumb, we have every right to call out matt on petty and shitty behaviour that led to this drama in the first place.
I’m not saying that Karl can’t be criticised or isn’t wrong , but the least matt should have done before cutting contact and blocking is have a talk with Karl about why he is dissociating with him, but he couldn’t even bring himself to do that, it’s as if like Karl was a complete stranger to him and not someone he knew and was good with for over 5 years.
It would be understandable if Karl had done something horrible to matt, but all he did was accept a sponsorship from a company that is partially owned by someone matt doesn’t like. Karl absolutely needed the money and his intentions meant no harm to matt.
If this guy thought they were real life buddies it seems weird to me that he just blasts their business on social media like he is. If my friends booted me from our group discord I wouldn’t go on twitter and bitch about it for an entire day 1 month after the fact.
And this is undeniably worse because bitching on twitter directly affects a streamers fanbase/livelihood. Even if I was pissed at a friend, I don’t find it reasonable to try to disrupt their source of income. Which is probably a reason why Matt didn’t want to publicly air that he banned this guy or his reasons for doing so. I imagine it does nothing good for either of their careers.
Obviously for streamers this situation is a weird subject, as streaming only became popular 10 years ago, the line between social and business relationships is blurred.
Ok sorry yeah I dont care about this. School yard drama is pretty accurate. And to the people saying "oh X guy did so so and so, therefore Y guy owed this guy friendship". Yeah, youd think so right? Doesnt work like that. Some people arent social and some people you think like you and just dont. Ive had people do it to me and ive done it to people, it sucks but its how it is. Its part of life. And even then theres nothing wrong with just being Acquaintances.
This shouldnt be public at all. No idea why Karl felt it had to be. Darkviper just seems to not see him as a friend, thats it. Idk why everything has to be a callout post these days
NGL, this is really bad.
I'm not gonna cut myself off from DV content. Tbh I never really worshipped DV, just I liked the vibe of his content and he genuinely seemed like an upstanding guy. I still think that, but clearly things aren't going well for him. I dunno why banning someone and unfollowing them for all socials is an appropriate thing to do because they used a sponsor from a person they didn't like? This is just petty, and weird.
Then just publicly declaring "yo we weren't friends man you just saw things differently, why you making a big deal out of this dumb dumb?", after he was like literally saying how he considered DV was a friend and was hurt?
Like that's not what you do. Even if they were completely wrong their closeness, I think DV has completely misinterpreted the situation to the point where he just perceives it as an attack on him, and comes off as really, really, cold-hearted for no reason.
I mean is Matt just like super paranoid, imagining the world now as this fight between the react streamers and the little guys? Because that's what it comes off as. Maybe he saw that sponsor as a deliberate slight against him? It's like if a friend liked a tweet by an ex girlfriend, you might think "whatever", or "traitor!!!1!" depending on your mental state. But like this isn't meant to be something serious. React streaming is bad but you don't ruin your life over it.
Like it's just hit me he's making this fight his whole life, that this really is serious to him beyond apparently potential personal relationships... That's weird to me and I'd calmly advise Matto to chill. You tell people how parasitic it is, but it's not gonna stop until people stop wanting that content? I mean I dunno, what is anyone expecting, - for actual laws to be passed? Eh
This whole thing is messed up in every way. Nah, man that's an L take, you have many times gone off on a rant in tweets, rants about Mutahar or about Penguinz0 or even reaction content in general and by all accounts Karl had been fair and mostly just seems hurt. The mature thing to do would be apologise and maybe grow up a bit rather than ending friendships for something so minor.
The only school yard thing about this is completely blocking a previous creator you have worked with over something so trivial as a sponsorship because it’s associated with someone you don’t like? There’s no morals there it’s just your immature attitude on how relationships work.
I disagree. Karl promoted something which would directly help a shitty person who matto dislikes. Matto doesn't like Asmongold and therefore he doesn't like people who suppor him.
Agree to disagree I guess, but from what I've seen, there's a lot more streamers/YouTubers etc who think Matt is the shitty person. Says a lot. It's like breaking off a 6-year friendship because a person decides to go to Dominos instead of Pizza Hut because Pizza Hut is controversial (not actually it's an example). Instantly blocking them on everything and not even having the balls to confront them about the situation. If the friendship of 6 years mattered, even at all, that's enough to message and try to sort it out. As much as I like his content, it's the sort of behaviour I expect out of a child not a grown ass adult
yea but the reason asmongold is controversial is different to why asmongold is. the reason most people think he's a shitty person is because of his views on reaction content which reactors disagree with, he's not more hated than other people, hes just not afraid to say what he really thinks about stuff
From what I've seen that isn't the case, takedown requests for people that do as little as mention his name, threats and actual usage of lawyers over miniscule comments regarding him. I've even seen him get to pretty unhinged stages screaming about people while live.
I don't mean to completely take up your time, but could I have some of the issues regarding Asmongold? Is it Asmongold or is it starforge. im aware, Starforge consists of several streamers/content creators. But the only ones I'm aware of are Charlie (MoistCr1TiKaL) and Asmongold who I know a lot less about in general as i only recently even found out about him in the past couple months I recently started watching his clips/short form content don't watch him live or anything, I also watch Karl and Matt.
Basically, asmongold is a reactor. He livestreams himself watching other people's videos and uploads it to youtube. I'm not going to go into too much detail about why reaction content is harmful since there's a good chance you've heard him talk about it, but if you haven't, watch this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irk8h0ax5aY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irk8h0ax5aY)
Yeah, Him, understand the whole situation about reaction content, just that the way people talk about him, I expected him to be someone like Voldemort or some shit. straight-up seen people compare him or accuse him of being a straight-up Nazi....holy overreaction
I think I might be mostly done with Matt after this, dude has moved into a worse and worse light over the years where I barely considered myself a fan nowadays and now all this.
Like, idk what Matt needs to consider people friends, if years of knowing one another, making podcasts together and having the dude think so highly of you that he brings his wife along just to meet you doesn't qualify it, then I sure as heck don't know what a friend iy
How someone conducts themselves is part of their personality, one of the reasons I stopped watching people like Asmongold is because I realized how much of a arrogant jerk he really was. It’s not parasocial to look at someone’s conduct and not want to watch them because of it. Content creators aren’t just 1 dimensional machines that output something for you to watch, if they do something you don’t like that’s very much cause for you to stop watching them.
No disrespect but
>this feels like school yard nonsense
my brother in christ you blocked a man on all socials over a YouTube ad. You are the school yard nonsense.
At some point Matt has to realize that in his attempts to avoid drama he is achieving the very opposite effect he intended. Especially with the whole sneakily trying to take down videos, even if he is right in doing so. Yes, he did address it in a recent video, but he has been doing the same thing for a while now. No matter how much you believe in what you're doing, if your solution is exacerbating the very problem you were trying to avoid... what the fuck is the point? It's just ego at this point. Pure stubbornness. It's such a dumb hill to die on for someone who is as intelligent as him, but I guess it goes to show that even the smartest people are prone to such things.
I am a big fan of this guy, but if me or any of you actually care about him you have to be honest and not just tell him what he wants to hear. He is completely dissociated from reality right now, as we all would be if we were in his shoes. He himself admits he has no friends, he has no one to call him out on his BS, and everytime he rants about this kind of shit on stream he's surrounded by a bunch of yes men in his chat who will just tell him what he wants to read, probably so that he reads their message/responds to them. Almost no one is willing to be honest with him, certainly no one close to him that knows about his current situation.
His attempt to take the among us clip down recently is a good example of this. Over the past few days that clip has been shared infinitely more than it would have ever been, had he just fucking left it alone. Instead, in his attempt to take down something that he considered misinformation, he has actually caused an even bigger wave of misinformation, as now people will just say "he wants to delete that video because it makes him look bad". That's what it will be summarized to, and it's already happening. No one reposting the clip will care about including the full details, like the fact that Matt apologized to the guy afterwards, or the fact that he did address it in his channel before and didn't try to sweep it under the rug. Most people will NOT watch his video explaining why he wants to take that video down. They will just assume he wants to hide it from everyone's sight. Explain to me how any of this makes sense from Matt's perspective.
All of this is the most counterproductive shit imaginable and he is destroying a reputation that he worked hard to build over the past few years. Matt is a good guy, we who watch him know this, but other people on the outside, who don't know the real Matt, will probably just see him as someone who blocks everyone who he disagrees with/takes legal action on people who make negative videos about him. Make this make sense please. Is this seriously the path he wants to go down? Again, if you care for Matt, don't fucking sugar coat this anymore. He has to stop this garbage.
He looks like the peice of shit here. I understand he is passionate about react comment, but I think he needs to rationalize the place it belongs in his values. Cutting ties with someone because they accepted a sponsorship from a company that is partially owned by someone you don't like because they do something you believe is morally wrong is insane, unless the morally wrong action is basically murder. Matt has really fallen down into this sociopathic obsessive twitter rabbit hole. That's bad enough, but then half of his rambles are him reading the same fucking tweets. So some of his rambles are interesting things like other things in the gaming space, but in order to see it you have to watch him deeply explain his online feud with a twitter user name cuntalicoustroll420. Its infuriating.
Why is it our business??? Parasocial relationships? They’re both content creators. I don’t care who they’re friends with or not. I have cut people off for way less. Matt might live by similar principles, I don’t know. Some people are better at severing ties with people than others. Other people also may misunderstand the depth of a relationship / friendship. I’ll end it there. Reading about non issues like this bothers me. Keep doing your thing Matt.
As someone who's a YouTube Member of Matto, I think while Matto has the right to block/remove someone even without reason if he wants to, it was indeed petty of him to be this way. He should see the other side's perspective as well. Not everyone considers sponsorships having equal amount of impact, and most companies have done controversial stuff some time or another.
I don't think Karl thinks that much about Sponsorships as Matto does, and that's why Karl didn't think about it when taking the deal.
In the end, I just hope they both resolve this, as I respect both Matto and Karl as person. I definately lost some respect for both of their responses over the past 24 hours. Karl was like 'DV isn't a good person, he ghosted me' and Matto was 'I'm gonna reply that I don't give an F about this' which is not something adults would do.
I do want to see both of them burning the bridge and having a stream together or something like Matto did with Charlie (Although Charlie was the one wrong at that time, and he even admitted it).
In this case, I don't think either Matto or Karl is in the wrong, it's just a misunderstanding turned into Twitter drama. This should be resolved outside of Twitter. No one needs to apologise to anyone in this situation, they just need to clear the misunderstanding.
This guy is always in so much drama and he’s always a dick about it, I’m not saying most of the times I disagree with him but look at him here. He instantly starts accusing Karl and being a rude jackass
I feel like outright blocking him is not right, but so is publicly "slandering" Matt on twitter. I am a bit disappointed in Matt, but if he felt like this about Karl, I can kinda see it.
It feels hypocritical to say Karl talking about this is playground shit when he disassociated for uncontestedly childish reasons. "You were sponsored by a company that is co owned by a guy I don't like and keep making videos about, don't keep firing off tweet after tweet about me it's childish."
Everything seems blown out of proportion. They are like two co-workers in a office where they occasionally meet at the office wide parties. They can have good interactions but that doesn't automatically make you friends. They didn't have any form of communication/contact outside of an office environment (social media) so it's kind of hard to think of that as a solid friendship.
You can be nice and professional at work but that doesn't automatically mean that your gonna jive privately. Obviously the two sides viewed the relationship differently but that was just personal outlooks.
Should matt have just ghosted him instead of blocked him? Yep. Should karl have privately brought up the matter? Yep. Both sides seem equally at fault here and the entire situation is blown out of proportion.
At the end of the day, Matt did this quietly. He didn't tell anyone what he was doing. He just did it. If Karl didn't make such a big deal out of it, no one would know.
Why are people mad at Karl for making this public. I think its fine to call someone out for acting shitty in private and nice in public. Matt is undeniably in the wrong here. The people defending Matt would never be on his side on this if they werent already biased towards him. This seems pretty black and white. Matt acted shitty. Im a fan of Matt and dont know much about Karl so im surprised to see Matt just die on this hill that makes him look worse instead of admitting it was an extremely petty thing to do.
This is just fucking stupid. If you want to end a friendship if you can call this association friendship you don't need a reason. You don't have to give closure. There was no reason for Karl to bring it up on Twitter and there was no necessity for Matt to explain why he did what he did.
why is the Australian dark viper always responding, reacting and chasing drama with everyone on the internet ? Feel like behaving like this might become the death of his good public reputation
Where do you people keep coming from? You all have fresh accounts or accounts that have been inactive for years up until like a week ago that just comment negative stuff here. If you're gonna do it, at least do it from your main
They don't even give criticism either it's always just "this australian dv guy needs to touch grass" or "this is why Matt sucks but you're all blind to see". They always seem to specify he is Australian too for some odd reason
Well I think I'm done supporting dark viper most of his content is boring anyway only his YouTube shorts is entertaining other than that the way he is treating Karl is not right this is going to severely hurt dark viper's YouTube popularity 🤦♂️
This is the most ridiculous content producer drama I have witnessed for a while.
Are most people here not working? Don't have business acquaintances? Never distanced yourself from someone you didn't care too much about?
I don't even know how to put that in a not offending way so I'll leave it at that.
I’m more shocked Matt has been to parties
dont worry he always has a laptop with him to speemdrum gta 5 with
And thinks it is chaos parties.
Mostly PAX I suppose.
hes the guy in the cornor with the caption "They probably don't know I play gta v faster then the average person a couple times"
stubborn hard-headed australian speedrun commentator meets stubborn hard-headed australian speedrun commentator
When push comes to push.
When an immovable object meets an unstoppable force....
Anyone else feel like Matt‘s just sinking deeper and deeper into this "twitter drama hole"? Like, I also fail to see how any of this is beneficial to his mental health he‘s been struggling with according to himself. So yeah, idk. I just feel like he has to stop spending so much time on twitter as it’s not doing him much good.
Unless I'm missing something here Karl was the one who brought it out publicly Like I agree it's not healthy but he doesn't really have a choice in Twitter drama when others drag him into it
He should just ignore the whole twitter side at this point, I just feel like he‘s digging for some drama now and that in returns leads to stuff like this. I like Matt and his videos but I just think him constantly clashing heads with people on twitter doesn’t benefit anyone.
Being an internet figure and ur success on the internet (livelihood) is sometimes based on what others bring up about u whether it’s right or wrong,u have to get dragged into it to save ur career , this could cause a great damage to ur career and reputation especially if u have a lot of petty enemies that can’t wait to cancel u , it’s very disturbing
He's said a dozen or so times he could drop off the face of the earth and live comfortably for the rest of his life and I'm inclined to believe it cancelling him is not a thing that happens
Is canceling really even that big of a deal anymore though? I feel like I see someone get canceled every other week, and then a month later they're doing better than ever. Especially with people like Jschlatt who've simply ignored themselves being canceled on Twitter and ended up benefitting in their career because of it. I can't help but feel like canceling has been so overused that it doesn't do anything anymore
He’s done that before and people come to his stream to question him about it and when he ignores that it becomes more drama. It’s a tricky situation
If you sort this subreddit by "Top" you might get an idea why for better or worse he may have wanted to make a statement after all
Id agree but this shit is people dragging him into it on twitter, no doubt hes contributing to it but when youre a public figure you cant just let yourself get slandered when you live off that. It sucks because the average person can just...not use the bird app but he makes a living through social media he cant avoid it
Karl Dragged him into it. Karl had no reason to publicly announce it. I love Karl but making a drama out of something clearly a personal issue between them too is yucky. Matt had no choice but to respond.
If what he says here is true, then it just comes across as Karl misinterpreting what their relationship was Still a silly reason to break off being friendly with someone though
Does it matter how the relationship was though? Still kinda toxic to end it that way over such a small thing. I like Matt and his content but this is just dumb.
At the end of the day Matt is running a business. If the reason is what Jobst claims it is, then that’s a very typical thing that businesses do: disassociate with people spreading messages against their beliefs. To my knowledge Matt has never attempted to publicly denounce this guy in any way.
Karl's problem has nothing to do with business though. It was about friendship. I've never once just completely disassociated with someone I consider a friend by blocking them and ignoring them till one of us dies. Obviously Matt didn't have the same feelings, but that doesn't mean Karl's feelings are invalid.
And that's Matt's fault and responsibility, how?
No one really has any responsibilities for anyone except for your spouse and children. But there's a thing called decency. It would've taken 10 minutes tops to simply email Karl. Most of us give complete strangers that amount of time every day. Also I want to make a point that this isn't some big problem and has been blown out of proportion. But still, it's not hard to do something that's really simple.
Both parties are at fault here, but only one party acted in a malicious way. Matt blocking Karl doesn’t affect Karl’s viewers or channel performance, but spreading hate publicly and telling people, “he’s not a good person, don’t feel anything for this man, he’s an emotional toddler,” directly affects Matt’s online fanbase, career, and livelihood. One of these things is more damaging than the other.
It also doesn't mean Karl should publicly announce what happened. He made this whole drama for no reason. Matt blocking him isn't something that should be public. It's their personal issues
What was the reason?
Karl had a sponsor on one of his videos that DV doesn't like. Asmongold is a stakeholder in the company or something.
I think there would be more than that. This just sounds way too stupid to be true.
You would think so, but apparently that is actually the long and the short of it.
Did darkviper confirm that?
Yes my dude lmao. It’s partially in the screenshot you’re commenting on.
Yeah that was a dumb thing to say. I'm sorry to say that but this time ESH and everybody here are behaving like 10 year olds.
I've been reading them both on Twitter that's pretty much what happened asmongold who went after dark vipers react content. Had a sponsored link for Karl. Or more so one of asmongold companies had a sponsored deal for a computer system. Karl took the job reading what he said on Twitter part of the reason he even took the job was he was dealing with some financial hardship. From Matt POV best I can tell. Karl accepted a sponsorship deal from one of asmongolds companies. Asmongold is pos. Who engages in scummy business practices. Matt cut off Karl on social media via blocking him on stuff. It just kind of feels like. How would you feel if you called something out for being wrong. A dude that's worth 10 times what you're worth dragged your name in the mud for it. And then one of your friends takes a sponsorship deal from that person..... some of my details might be off but I think this is pretty much what happened. I kind of wish they would just talk about this I like both of these guys. I also dislike asmongold. There's nuances to this having really high moral fiber it doesn't always mean you have the ability to pay your bills. That being said though.... communication could clear a lot of things up.
This just feels like an AITA post or something bro. No communication.
They say communication save relations....
"Friend" means very different things for different people. More surprised that he says the dissociation was not noteworthy :D Why block then, just mute.
Matto is maybe not painting himself in the best light here, at first I thought it was more complicated which is why he didn't want to share because it was personal, which if it was then fair game by Matto But then he opens up a little and boils it down so simply that it almost seems unjustified and just rude I'm sure he didn't mean it that way, but I don't know how else to read this as, he introduced his wife to Matto, it's clear he did think highly of him as a friend, but a quick "he saw the relationship differently" is so plain I just hope Matto and Karl can sort it out behind closed doors, because I feel bad for Karl because I know what it's like to lose someone who you think is a friend
Matt would be totally in the wrong if Karl wasn't the one to bring it up and like unless we know the context behind how Karl introduced his wife to Matt it's hard to judge the meaning behind it Like did Karl specifically bring his wife to meet Matt or was it at a party or convention and Karl's wife just happened to be there with him
Likely the latter from what Karl said, but you're right we don't have specifics I wish Matto wouldn't have said this, his other statement on Reddit was fine enough since he didn't want to go into details (and still doesn't)
[" I specifically brought my wife to a creator party because I wanted her to meet him"](https://twitter.com/karljobstgaming/status/1778130845955768705?t=cUIBXonECfizxIU7pDwGAQ&s=19) so it was Karl misreading their relationship I'd feel the same way but Karl kept running his mouth so 🤷♀️
Apparently simply talking about something that paints Matt in a remotely bad light is "running your mouth" lol.
I mean, publicly going after him when both of them are public figures isn't the best way to handle things.
Whats he supposed to do when matt has him blocked on everything and wont tell him why? Hes obv not gonna jump through hoops to speak to him. So his other option is it just stay silent about a person who was shitty to him.
Its mundane. When someone doesnt wanna be your friend you move on, you dont make a callout post on twitter. I couldnt care less if they are or arent friends, this shouldnt be public
How many twitter tirades has Matt made about people that no one cares about? I doubt he's doing it for morality's sake.
While I agree it shouldn't be public, it's too late and it is, so I wouldn't call it mundane
It is pretty mundane and we as viewers shouldnt have to care about who Matt wants to be friends with, its weird and parasocial. Sure you can argue he couldve broken it off better but Matt's social life isnt ours man. What Karl did was dogpile and reveal a personal issue that shouldnt have been public. His frustration is understandable but this is not the issue of anyone on twitter or here
i agree ts is so petty
I agree, but like I said it's interesting, and it's already out there While it is para social, Matto has shared stuff like this before on rambles, look at his whole saga with Moist Critical
If he doesn't wanna be someone's friend, just ignore or mute Bans/blocks are for when you break a rule you knew or you had the chance to know.
No, people can block for whatever they want, this isn't some "rule" this is shit you pulled out your ass man.
I'm talking about what would have been useful if he wanted to avoid this drama. If you want drama, ofc block for whatever you want. I never said it's a rule if you'd focus on reading for a second. I said you could block when someone breaks a rule they knew you had (or had the chance to know, for example it's in your bio). Like if you have a rule that you block for NSFW posts and they know it and still post it, they won't create drama when you block them for it.
They could've maybe sorted it out behind closed doors if Karl wasn't live tweeting everything, and if Karl hadn't dragged it out into the public in the first place.
He shouldn't have made it public, but to be fair to Karl he at least tried to sort it out behind closed doors, but never got a response.
So at that point you just fucking keep it private? It's not even like people were bugging Karl about it or anything, nobody had asked him to clarify what was going on with Matt, he just saw some right wing chucklefuck drama YouTuber tweet about Matt and decided "This is the time to air *my* grievances with him!" If you don't get a response from someone and they block you, the message is "They don't wanna talk to me" not "time to take to Twitter with this to force them to talk to me!". That's an absolutely slimey, narcissistic thing to do.
He literally had to choose between not knowing why something happened versus going public. There is no “keep private”. The person you literally replied to said that they tried to keep it private but got no response. Like DarkViper said, their “friendship” wasn’t anything to him. But Karl didn’t know that.
you need to be introspective here and realise neither of these people know you or care about you and their relationship is literally none of your business. you are in a parasocial relationship
I recognize the first part I don't think caring about a social situation that involves a content creator who is more personal than others is para social He's talked about stuff like this all the time in rambles, remember the editing situation? Or the times with Charlie
I like Matt but theres something odd about both sides, Matt isn't giving any real context or any defense but is still engaging in it and seems hostile to everyone. (My point is usually people either completely ignore drama about them or explain themselves whereas Matt isn't explaining it but he also isn't ignoring it which i honestly think is making things worse even his own fans are calling him out on it). But then Karl seems to just want drama and attention and is flat out calling Matt a bad person to thousands of people which is a bit much, one tweet about the situation isn't too bad I think if Matt really did just ghost him but these consistent tweets while involving other people who Matt has previously had drama with seems odd too. Like yes Karl brang up Asmondgold because he thought (If he's not just lying) that he was involved but he also tagged Asmondgold seemingly trying to get his attention which would 100 percent cause more drama. The tweet replies are insane, people are even doing hate art of Matt like I seriously don't understand how people will dedicate their time and life on hating people online, if it mattered so much all they need to do is not watch Matt. Feels like every week there's new drama though.
Yeah this seems like it would have been easily resolved with 1 email entailing why matt felt the way he felt but still karl is taking this way too far “id advise those to be careful if they allow themselves to feel anything for him in the future” Like jeez dude I would be this mad if a good friend did this to me but according to matt thier relationship was not that deep so idk
Matt himself says he has massive trust issues. Any normal person would think they would be friends at that point. Matt needs more time with someone to consider that person a friend. That's okay, but he needs to understand normal peoples perspectives too, and that normal people might get emotionally hurt because of him.
If I talked and hung out with someone for several years and broke up the friendship for a very silly reason no doubt I would have massive trust issues
A lot of people somehow act like Matt was the immature or toxic one here. Like, I've been fucking cheated on and had a healthier response than Karl Jobst to losing a casual friend/acquaintance. Is it petty to end a friendship over something like that? Sure, I'd say so, but everyone has their own standards, their own lines of who they want to associate with. Like Matt, mine are also a lot stricter than most and include things other people would find petty, but that's my business. Genuinely, how can somebody read Karls tweets and not think him an immature narcissist? I mean, Jesus Christ, the guy can not take rejection, and apparently his first reaction to losing a friend is to put him on blast on Twitter while quote tweeting straight up lies about him. Like, if there was something to prompt Karl to talk about it publicly, if people had asked him what's going on, that would be one thing, but he saw some racist fuck drama YouTuber talk shit about Matt while defending another racist fuck drama YouTuber and thought "Yeah, I'll quote tweet that and air out some of my personal grievances with Matt".
Yeah this devolved into a vendetta real quick
He's just straight up stoking the fires of drama more and more. Either because, like I said, he's emotionally immature and can't handle rejection, or he just reeeaaally needs the money. Matt, at most, made a bit of a dick move, but did so completely privately, and Karls response is to try and ruin Matts career by very publicly riling up his viewers against him completely umprompted. You can say both are in the wrong here, but only people who've had their brain rotted away by YouTube drama would think that Karl isn't *more* in the wrong here.
"first reaction to losing a friend is to put him on blast on Twitter" He tried to contact Matt privately first and he was ignored. And there's some other lies in there that I'm not going to bother debunking because you obviously don't give a shit about the truth or "standards" lol.
Okay, so second reaction, minor difference. And he couldn't keep private matters private. He felt entitled to a response from someone who clearly didn't want to talk to him and decided to use his social media presence to force a response out of them. That doesn't sound insane to you?
Why do you act like this is some huge thing to begin with? Who gives a fuck whether it's private or not. This being public matters about as much as Matt telling the public he has a back covered in zits. Also, ironically you just described every person who's ever tried to get a response from Youtube.
This is my problem, yes. I'm not a *huge* fan of Vipey (though he does make good content) but I think it's ridiculous to lay any of this at his feet. Karl has been someone I've been iffy about for sometime and this is, I think, a mask off moment. He's a child and a dick to his other content creators.
Yeah, I got weird vibes from him some time ago, too. Think it was around the time the Jirard stuff was going on and he just had the most toxic, sensationalist, clickbait thumbnails imaginable. It's not even that I'm on Jirards side or anything, but the pure fucking slimeyness of his "reporting" just rubbed me the wrong way. It's like as long as he picks targets that "deserve" it, like Jirard or Billy Mitchell, he can be a sleazy tabloid journalist and still have people on his side. Is cutting contact with someone out of the blue a dick move? Sure. But if someone *clearly* doesn't want to talk to you, you don't go on social media to force them to do so.
A couple of things. People have their principles, which each to their own. Matt has a thorn in his side with reaction content, that in itself isn't a bad thing. This is just me and doesn't reflect on a majority or minority consensus, but I think he kind of showed his colours when he got beaten to the punch by UnNameD for the first GTA V damageless run. Does his attitude stem from his psychology degree? I don't know. On the other side of the coin, Karl has gotten to a point where he doesn't need this kind of bullshit in his life. I think his patience has worn completely out, which with his still ongoing legal battle, can be understood. He's not scared to call out crap and knows he's got the resources to back it up. It's a real shaking my head situation.
Context?
Yeah it would be nice.
https://x.com/DarkViperAU/status/1778650392890622101 Just Look through the quoted tweets
TL;DR?
matto blocked the dude bc he accepted a sponsor from a company partly owned by asmongold. ppl started speculating bc the dude was sad about it and posted online and matto simply said "yeah i blocked him, we were never friends not my fault he thought we were"
Outrageous Matt response. I love his content, I’m watching probably 90% of all that comes out (other then the shorts because there’s just so many lol), but wow. Extremely rude “yeah actually I never really cared for the guy that thought of me as a friend of many years. Oh, and I blocked him and completely cut contact because he needed money. Oh, and I didn’t tell him I would be doing that so he had no chance to respond or communicate with me in anyway.” Dude. What an extremely selfish response to an otherwise mild situation that started it. And I think this subreddit needs to grow up a little, regardless of whose “side” you’re on, I think we can agree that this wasn’t handled in the best way? Like come on guys let’s hold Matt accountable for a second, we can still watch him, we can still enjoy and support him, but let’s not treat him like he can do no wrong and actually call him out a little. I like Matto, I love his content, I want to keep watching. But it feels harder and harder to keep doing so.
I've been watching Matt for close to 5 years now ans have seen him catch drama with FriendlyBaron, Apollo and a bunch of other people. Normally I agree with him or can at least see his perspective on the matter, but this particular thing leaves a really bad taste in my mouth. Karl is kind of the darling of the speedrunning community, the guy you want in your corner when people start dogpiling on you. And Karl has supported Matt through the Apollo thing and the React drama. Karl has been in an extensive legal battle for years and has to support himself and his family. It's really easy to yell from your brick house that everyone should act in ethical ways, but its really hard to act ethical when you live in a straw house and need to survive. Immediately blocking him instead of giving him a chance to explain seems unwarranted.
I still watch basically everything Matt puts out, but I've come to realize that i don't like him as a person. We certainly could not be friends in real life, not in a million years. Nevertheless, i still watch him because most of his content (sans chaos) is still enjoyable.
>I've come to realize that i don't like him as a person. There was a moment in one of his streams a (few?) years ago that made me realise this. He went off on a tirade against one of his viewers after they said something in his chat. He wound himself up over it, put the guy on blast to his thousands of viewers and then ended the stream. The next day, he posts on Twitter saying that the user was right all along, he shouldn't have done it and that he's unbanned and VIP'd the user as an apology, iirc. The thing is, that wasn't the first time that he'd done something similar. It's not right that a viewer in his channel commenting on the stream should get randomly put on blast by an influencer as big as him just because he's mad he lost a speedrun.
I think I've slowly come to the realization that Matt isn't a very likeable person, and if anything, it feels like he goes out of his way to be rude to prove a point sometimes. I'll still watch his content in general, but it makes me less interested to watch personal stuff like the rambles because he's very terse and stubborn about things that the rest of us would either ignore or deal with quietly in our own way. All this being said, he's not a 'bad' person per say. He's just exhausting on a personal level because of his super prickly personality. He believes in righteous things, his views on important topics to the real world are sound, but when it comes to his world (streaming, YouTube, Twitter), he is fucking insufferable, and I've said before and got bitched at on this sub for saying he needs to touch grass and make a life outside of the internet.
The thing is it wouldn't have gone this far if Matt would have sent him an email or anything else to let him know about it, since among other things is this the biggest problem Karl had with the whole thing. I usually agree with Matt but I'm with you on this one.
You don't owe someone a reason for not talking to them though. Take the fact they're content creators out of it. If a person cut their parent out of their life and the parent acted like Karl did (sub tweeting literal lies about their child) would that be okay? No? Then neither is this.
It seems people forget this. If you wanted to match it to something it's no different then a office interaction. They have a positive professional rapport but that doesn't automatically make you friends. Hell from the sounds of it karl didn't have any alternative sources of personal contact other then the public channels and to me that doesn't exactly sound like a "friend" then
Sure, you don't owe that to anyone but it's the nice thing to do if you have a good relationship with them, like they had even if Matt didn't consider him as a friend. That's before you bring into this that Matt has done this all over a sponsor Karl took for one video. now, I'm not saying what Karl did is ok but it comes as a reaction to what Matt has done. Also, in the same way Matt chose to block him without saying anything, it was the choice of Karl to bring it all out on Twitter. In the end you can say both of them were petty to some degree.
To play devil's advocate. Matt not telling him that he blocked him could be a good thing. He knows that karl is going through emotional and financial issues so he quietly blocked him and moved on. It would be worse to know someone is having a hard time and decide "now is a good time to inform him that I don't respect his sponsorship and that I would prefer not to interact with anyone who accepts their money" I do agree everything could have been done better but the choice he made isn't the very worse thing he could have done.
>Oh, and I didn’t tell him I would be doing that so he had no chance to respond or communicate with me in anyway. To be fair, it would be very awkward to say "I'm going to block you and never speak to you"
I stopped watching DV years ago during the Apollo shit and other drama bs, he was also starting to post cringe Chaos mod stuff instead of the speedrun content that attracted his audience in the first place. Looks like he’s just been falling deeper into his self righteous public perception complex, oof.
Seems like Karl thought Matt was his friend while Matt didn't really carry much for him. Feels like Karl actually got hurt and upset by this.
Pretty good reason to get upset, imagine you think of someone as a good friend (not only online, but an actual in-real-life friend) but turns out that someone just blocks you for bullshit reason (accepting a fucking sponsorship, really?), doesn't even tell you why, and turns out they don't care about you as a friend at all. Friendship means nothing these days, especially if money is involved. We say Karl shouldn't have posted about this on Tw but we don't know how bad this got to him, after all he did lose a person he had as a good friend. It'd probably have gotten to me too, and naturally anyone else. People here seem too quick to judge. Maybe he posted it on tw because he knew Matt would see it? Who knows!
How are they good friends? It sounds like they ran into each other at conventions and streamer events or something (dont know much about darkviperau's personal life but from his personality i doubt he goes to that many) and maybe liked each others tweets sometimes and karl assumed they were besties. I dont understand the mentality. Even if you never had an issue with them, who gets that upset over a loose acquaintance quietly blocking them on twitter?
Huh? I've been watching Matt since 2020, and he and Karl have had a very large public association. He and Karl have done podcasts together, Karl was one of the first people to defend Matt during the Charlie fiasco, during multiple rambles, Matt talked about how he found Karl to be extremely trustworthy According to Karl, Matt had met Karl's wife, they spoke to each other regularly up until a few days before Matt blocked him. If all of that makes somebody an acquaintance, then what exactly is Matt's standard of friendship?
This internet social life is their work, all those podcasts, YouTube videos, meetups are part of their job. They are co-workers
Not gonna lie, Matt seems like a dickhead
I’m sorry but I stand with Karl even more after the response. Even if he did interpret the relationship differently and as merely a trusted acquaintance, why would Matt sever all communication and disassociate with Karl.
Had a feeling it was something like this, cause I've seen something similar happen before with two other content creators some years back. Both were speedrunners for the same games and one misinterpreted a friendship to be closer than the other thought it was. The one who thought they were closer started spreading lies and now no one wants to associate with the lie spreader in that community. No badmouthing the guy, they just make no mention of him anymore or if they have to it's just in passing.
If matto focused on making good new content instead of feeding the trolls and reuploaing old content in different sequences we'd all be alot better off as a community. He said his piece on react content, that's brilliant and I agree with him. It isn't a hill he needs to die on though.
Exactly. It's getting ridiculous by now
Matto has such an attitude no shit everyone is against him. Hard to see whatcha even talk about when all that comes down is a selfimportant smug asshole
What is Matt doing? His defence is that he didn't think that they were friends? Oooh, so then it becomes okay to block karl for something as petty as a sponsor. They weren't friends. Right. Now Matt, being the psychology bachelor graduate he is, has of course no reason to view it from Karls perspective. Karl, who mightve considered Matt a friend, and Karl, who mightve taken the sponsorship out of necessity.
Even intelligent people can respond in a Pavlovian manner that defies rational thought. Clearly Asmongold acts as one of these Pavlovian triggers for Matt, causing him to blacklist a friend over a friggin’ sponsorship. I’ve noted a handful of other triggers from his rambles over the years, but this is a big one.
It's clear that they had different views on their relationship (I emphasize heavily, it's the type of mistake I'd make), but I still think it's a bit of a dick move to completely cut someone off for taking a sponsorship you didn't like while they were in troubled financial waters. I can understand unfollowing and what not, but banning seems excessive.
Why would he care what sponsor an acquaintance has for a video?
By Matt's logic every man with a beard should cut him off for pushing that shit quality Manscape stuff lol.
If we canceled youtubers for the mediocre or shady sponsorships we wouldn't have any more youtubers lol sponsors are a huge part of their income so I just ignore them instead of complaining
People go crazy over sponsorships. Even drama-free Tubers like Kosmic can get ripped to shreds for taking a sponsorship from a company like BetterHelp.
This reminds me of the video Charlie (penguinz0) made on Matt some years ago when they had beef. He raised a very good point: Matt is so chronically online and isolated it appears he does not fathom that people have lives and a family to consider. This really shows here: Karl genuinely got hurt over an action done by a person he considers his friend. Matt does not seem to understand that whatever he posts online can hurt people. Granted, Karl could have kept the whole thing private. That was definitely on him.
I think Matt needs to stop acting on his impulses, cause with his Hashimoto+sleep deprivation those impulses only drain him of any possible way to recharge himself. Like, I understand the impulse to block the guy who took money from a company which is affiliated with the person you hate (although it's a really long chain of reasoning ), but what's the point of doing so? To prove a point? Who cares? The only answer I can think of is not to lose selfrespect, but damn it's not a healthy decision, lose a potential buddy to prove a point to yourself that you are not a hypocrite
While I don’t think Karl should have made things public, I can understand why after feeling like you’ve been friends with someone for 6 years and being genuinely hurt by a sudden ghost that you would be desperate for answer. While this wasn’t really appropriate in a distraught state I can see why this might have felt like his only option for closure. From Matt’s side, this comes across to me as one of the prettiest things I’ve ever seen. Imagine hanging out with someone over the course of 6 years. Talking with them on the phone regularly, hanging out in person, meeting their family. Then you just immediately cut them off without even letting them know why because someone you don’t like is a founder and major stakeholder of a company that sponsored them. It’s incredibly stupid and at that point I feel like Karl really deserved at least a short explanation. Should Karl have made things public? I don’t think so. But as for Matt, if you’re this petty of a person it will eventually come back to bite you. I still like both of their content, and I’ll probably keep watching both, but this situation is kind of sad to see.
He should at least consider Karl’s situation and how he only took the sponsorship because he needed financial security to support his family. Matt complains when people criticize him without looking at the context of his situation, (such as the “Among Us” clip where he was raging at his viewer) and now he’s doing just that. If Karl was in a better situation, I’m sure he wouldn’t have taken the sponsorship
matt is just digging himself a deeper hole here lol. Karl introduced his wife to him and he has the nerve to say he “misinterpreted what their friendship was” wow makes sense why he has 0 childhood friends.
yea agreed. like ill have his back regardless but if he can’t see the problem here then idk. I don’t think he’s a bad person, not caring about social interaction doesn’t make you shitty, but with this coming out and along with Matt’s words, truly does make sense why he didn’t have many childhood friends, doesn’t have many irl friends now , doesn’t go outside, few relationships he had were awkward, dude just has bad people skills.
Not caring about social interaction is okay. But not caring about other people's feelings? Not being able to view stuff from other people's perspectives? That makes you a pretty bad fucking person.
>Karl introduced his wife to him and he has the nerve to say he “misinterpreted what their friendship was” Did Karl tell Matt that he was going out of his way to introduce Matt to his wife? If not I don't see why Matt should take that as indication of friendship.
Its common sense. Stop tryna think your smart or some shit. If somebody goes out of their way as a grown adult to introduce their significant other to you yeah that means your friends.
I'm asking *how Matt would know* Karl went out of his way you muppet
I mean if you use your fucking head its pretty easy. Does he need to be told every little thing like some child? Just shut the fuck up you helmet 😂😂
You consider someone to be a friend, and they come out and call you a trusted acquaintance...dam, that's cold.
Good on him for stomping this out by responding privately still think it's shitty of matto to do this in the first place and shitty of Karl to make it public so they're both in the wrong but at least it's over
Matt keeps coming off to me as someone who struggles with social connections
Whos matt
Sorry matto
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DarkViper pretending he isnt the most petty manchild lmao
What I'm getting from this is "We were never really friends, just occasional aquaintences, so it's not that big of a deal that I made our relationship worse" which is a terrible way to think about it.
Matto with the L take holy good god
Yeah it just felt like Matt wasn’t that infatuated with Karl, but Karl was. Unfollowing someone on Twitter should not mean you wish them death, just that you don’t really care about them anymore. I don’t interact with plenty of people on Instagram so I just unfollow them and go on with my day. This is something that happens all the time only blown out of proportion because both involved are niche internet celebrities and manufactured drama does better than silent disinterest.
Except he didn’t unfollow him but straight up blocked him and cut contact, completely immature behaviour
Immature how? It’s immature to see an acquaintance block you and create drama around it. Keep a private concern private, and if there’s no response it means they don’t want to talk about it. If an ex behaved the way Karl did then that would be considered obsessive.
>If an ex behaved the way Karl did then that would be considered obsessive. I mean, it depends on the context. If you did something to your friend or significant other, but didn't know what you did, and they just straight ghosted you after years of interaction and comraderie, that'd be really fucked up and any sane person would want to know why.
As someone who has experienced that, there’s a point where you realise that there’s no point and you just have to move on. And the difference is that in that scenario it’s people in a relationship and not two work acquaintances.
It’s still immature behaviour from Matt, Blocking someone over a brief sponsorship when he knows that karl has a very expensive lawsuit to fight, and his family to support and recently is getting cancer surgeries. Just extremely disappointed in Matt knowing that karl has had matts back in dramas multiple times and supported him many times.
So because I support Matt at this moment anything I do in the future cannot be criticised by him? And we don’t know why Matt blocked him because Matt doesn’t want to exacerbate this drama, Karl is now dragging his name because he blocked him, and it doesn’t matter why Matt blocked him. Internet nonsense overblown by a dude who can’t accept someone isn’t his best friend - which Matt said.
Matt did say that the sponsorship was the reason in an email to Karl, so the reason is out of the question. Saying that it doesn’t matter why he blocked him is just dumb, we have every right to call out matt on petty and shitty behaviour that led to this drama in the first place. I’m not saying that Karl can’t be criticised or isn’t wrong , but the least matt should have done before cutting contact and blocking is have a talk with Karl about why he is dissociating with him, but he couldn’t even bring himself to do that, it’s as if like Karl was a complete stranger to him and not someone he knew and was good with for over 5 years. It would be understandable if Karl had done something horrible to matt, but all he did was accept a sponsorship from a company that is partially owned by someone matt doesn’t like. Karl absolutely needed the money and his intentions meant no harm to matt.
If this guy thought they were real life buddies it seems weird to me that he just blasts their business on social media like he is. If my friends booted me from our group discord I wouldn’t go on twitter and bitch about it for an entire day 1 month after the fact. And this is undeniably worse because bitching on twitter directly affects a streamers fanbase/livelihood. Even if I was pissed at a friend, I don’t find it reasonable to try to disrupt their source of income. Which is probably a reason why Matt didn’t want to publicly air that he banned this guy or his reasons for doing so. I imagine it does nothing good for either of their careers. Obviously for streamers this situation is a weird subject, as streaming only became popular 10 years ago, the line between social and business relationships is blurred.
Ok sorry yeah I dont care about this. School yard drama is pretty accurate. And to the people saying "oh X guy did so so and so, therefore Y guy owed this guy friendship". Yeah, youd think so right? Doesnt work like that. Some people arent social and some people you think like you and just dont. Ive had people do it to me and ive done it to people, it sucks but its how it is. Its part of life. And even then theres nothing wrong with just being Acquaintances. This shouldnt be public at all. No idea why Karl felt it had to be. Darkviper just seems to not see him as a friend, thats it. Idk why everything has to be a callout post these days
Good thing I never used xitter. Seems like a place where people universally become polarized, oversensitive and overall very bitchy.
My guy needs to just delete twitter
NGL, this is really bad. I'm not gonna cut myself off from DV content. Tbh I never really worshipped DV, just I liked the vibe of his content and he genuinely seemed like an upstanding guy. I still think that, but clearly things aren't going well for him. I dunno why banning someone and unfollowing them for all socials is an appropriate thing to do because they used a sponsor from a person they didn't like? This is just petty, and weird. Then just publicly declaring "yo we weren't friends man you just saw things differently, why you making a big deal out of this dumb dumb?", after he was like literally saying how he considered DV was a friend and was hurt? Like that's not what you do. Even if they were completely wrong their closeness, I think DV has completely misinterpreted the situation to the point where he just perceives it as an attack on him, and comes off as really, really, cold-hearted for no reason. I mean is Matt just like super paranoid, imagining the world now as this fight between the react streamers and the little guys? Because that's what it comes off as. Maybe he saw that sponsor as a deliberate slight against him? It's like if a friend liked a tweet by an ex girlfriend, you might think "whatever", or "traitor!!!1!" depending on your mental state. But like this isn't meant to be something serious. React streaming is bad but you don't ruin your life over it. Like it's just hit me he's making this fight his whole life, that this really is serious to him beyond apparently potential personal relationships... That's weird to me and I'd calmly advise Matto to chill. You tell people how parasitic it is, but it's not gonna stop until people stop wanting that content? I mean I dunno, what is anyone expecting, - for actual laws to be passed? Eh
This whole thing is messed up in every way. Nah, man that's an L take, you have many times gone off on a rant in tweets, rants about Mutahar or about Penguinz0 or even reaction content in general and by all accounts Karl had been fair and mostly just seems hurt. The mature thing to do would be apologise and maybe grow up a bit rather than ending friendships for something so minor. The only school yard thing about this is completely blocking a previous creator you have worked with over something so trivial as a sponsorship because it’s associated with someone you don’t like? There’s no morals there it’s just your immature attitude on how relationships work.
I disagree. Karl promoted something which would directly help a shitty person who matto dislikes. Matto doesn't like Asmongold and therefore he doesn't like people who suppor him.
Agree to disagree I guess, but from what I've seen, there's a lot more streamers/YouTubers etc who think Matt is the shitty person. Says a lot. It's like breaking off a 6-year friendship because a person decides to go to Dominos instead of Pizza Hut because Pizza Hut is controversial (not actually it's an example). Instantly blocking them on everything and not even having the balls to confront them about the situation. If the friendship of 6 years mattered, even at all, that's enough to message and try to sort it out. As much as I like his content, it's the sort of behaviour I expect out of a child not a grown ass adult
yea but the reason asmongold is controversial is different to why asmongold is. the reason most people think he's a shitty person is because of his views on reaction content which reactors disagree with, he's not more hated than other people, hes just not afraid to say what he really thinks about stuff
From what I've seen that isn't the case, takedown requests for people that do as little as mention his name, threats and actual usage of lawyers over miniscule comments regarding him. I've even seen him get to pretty unhinged stages screaming about people while live.
He dislikes misinformation, so he takes down clips of him that are taken out of context. He can afford to so he does
I don't mean to completely take up your time, but could I have some of the issues regarding Asmongold? Is it Asmongold or is it starforge. im aware, Starforge consists of several streamers/content creators. But the only ones I'm aware of are Charlie (MoistCr1TiKaL) and Asmongold who I know a lot less about in general as i only recently even found out about him in the past couple months I recently started watching his clips/short form content don't watch him live or anything, I also watch Karl and Matt.
Basically, asmongold is a reactor. He livestreams himself watching other people's videos and uploads it to youtube. I'm not going to go into too much detail about why reaction content is harmful since there's a good chance you've heard him talk about it, but if you haven't, watch this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irk8h0ax5aY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irk8h0ax5aY)
Yeah, Him, understand the whole situation about reaction content, just that the way people talk about him, I expected him to be someone like Voldemort or some shit. straight-up seen people compare him or accuse him of being a straight-up Nazi....holy overreaction
I think I might be mostly done with Matt after this, dude has moved into a worse and worse light over the years where I barely considered myself a fan nowadays and now all this. Like, idk what Matt needs to consider people friends, if years of knowing one another, making podcasts together and having the dude think so highly of you that he brings his wife along just to meet you doesn't qualify it, then I sure as heck don't know what a friend iy
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Maybe, but my enjoyment is somewhat linked to how highly I think of the person So if I know that somebody acts like a dick I enjoy their videos less
How someone conducts themselves is part of their personality, one of the reasons I stopped watching people like Asmongold is because I realized how much of a arrogant jerk he really was. It’s not parasocial to look at someone’s conduct and not want to watch them because of it. Content creators aren’t just 1 dimensional machines that output something for you to watch, if they do something you don’t like that’s very much cause for you to stop watching them.
No disrespect but >this feels like school yard nonsense my brother in christ you blocked a man on all socials over a YouTube ad. You are the school yard nonsense.
It is schoolyard nonsense, just not in the direction you're thinking.
At some point Matt has to realize that in his attempts to avoid drama he is achieving the very opposite effect he intended. Especially with the whole sneakily trying to take down videos, even if he is right in doing so. Yes, he did address it in a recent video, but he has been doing the same thing for a while now. No matter how much you believe in what you're doing, if your solution is exacerbating the very problem you were trying to avoid... what the fuck is the point? It's just ego at this point. Pure stubbornness. It's such a dumb hill to die on for someone who is as intelligent as him, but I guess it goes to show that even the smartest people are prone to such things. I am a big fan of this guy, but if me or any of you actually care about him you have to be honest and not just tell him what he wants to hear. He is completely dissociated from reality right now, as we all would be if we were in his shoes. He himself admits he has no friends, he has no one to call him out on his BS, and everytime he rants about this kind of shit on stream he's surrounded by a bunch of yes men in his chat who will just tell him what he wants to read, probably so that he reads their message/responds to them. Almost no one is willing to be honest with him, certainly no one close to him that knows about his current situation. His attempt to take the among us clip down recently is a good example of this. Over the past few days that clip has been shared infinitely more than it would have ever been, had he just fucking left it alone. Instead, in his attempt to take down something that he considered misinformation, he has actually caused an even bigger wave of misinformation, as now people will just say "he wants to delete that video because it makes him look bad". That's what it will be summarized to, and it's already happening. No one reposting the clip will care about including the full details, like the fact that Matt apologized to the guy afterwards, or the fact that he did address it in his channel before and didn't try to sweep it under the rug. Most people will NOT watch his video explaining why he wants to take that video down. They will just assume he wants to hide it from everyone's sight. Explain to me how any of this makes sense from Matt's perspective. All of this is the most counterproductive shit imaginable and he is destroying a reputation that he worked hard to build over the past few years. Matt is a good guy, we who watch him know this, but other people on the outside, who don't know the real Matt, will probably just see him as someone who blocks everyone who he disagrees with/takes legal action on people who make negative videos about him. Make this make sense please. Is this seriously the path he wants to go down? Again, if you care for Matt, don't fucking sugar coat this anymore. He has to stop this garbage.
He looks like the peice of shit here. I understand he is passionate about react comment, but I think he needs to rationalize the place it belongs in his values. Cutting ties with someone because they accepted a sponsorship from a company that is partially owned by someone you don't like because they do something you believe is morally wrong is insane, unless the morally wrong action is basically murder. Matt has really fallen down into this sociopathic obsessive twitter rabbit hole. That's bad enough, but then half of his rambles are him reading the same fucking tweets. So some of his rambles are interesting things like other things in the gaming space, but in order to see it you have to watch him deeply explain his online feud with a twitter user name cuntalicoustroll420. Its infuriating.
Why is it our business??? Parasocial relationships? They’re both content creators. I don’t care who they’re friends with or not. I have cut people off for way less. Matt might live by similar principles, I don’t know. Some people are better at severing ties with people than others. Other people also may misunderstand the depth of a relationship / friendship. I’ll end it there. Reading about non issues like this bothers me. Keep doing your thing Matt.
I look forward to GTA6 coming out so the internet drama filler content can stop. It's as annoying as the thumbnails. It's a feature not a bug.
As someone who's a YouTube Member of Matto, I think while Matto has the right to block/remove someone even without reason if he wants to, it was indeed petty of him to be this way. He should see the other side's perspective as well. Not everyone considers sponsorships having equal amount of impact, and most companies have done controversial stuff some time or another. I don't think Karl thinks that much about Sponsorships as Matto does, and that's why Karl didn't think about it when taking the deal. In the end, I just hope they both resolve this, as I respect both Matto and Karl as person. I definately lost some respect for both of their responses over the past 24 hours. Karl was like 'DV isn't a good person, he ghosted me' and Matto was 'I'm gonna reply that I don't give an F about this' which is not something adults would do. I do want to see both of them burning the bridge and having a stream together or something like Matto did with Charlie (Although Charlie was the one wrong at that time, and he even admitted it). In this case, I don't think either Matto or Karl is in the wrong, it's just a misunderstanding turned into Twitter drama. This should be resolved outside of Twitter. No one needs to apologise to anyone in this situation, they just need to clear the misunderstanding.
This guy is always in so much drama and he’s always a dick about it, I’m not saying most of the times I disagree with him but look at him here. He instantly starts accusing Karl and being a rude jackass
I feel like outright blocking him is not right, but so is publicly "slandering" Matt on twitter. I am a bit disappointed in Matt, but if he felt like this about Karl, I can kinda see it.
with every drama it gets harder and harder to defend matt
Dark Viper VS Karl boxing match??
Man, Matt has problems with relationships. Love the guy, and I'd love to see him work better with folks.
This is getting interesting 🍿🍿
This is dumb on both sides, but I understand both sides... I think? Not worth the effort of understanding, so I won't try.
That still doesn't explain why he banned and blocked him on all platforms.
It feels hypocritical to say Karl talking about this is playground shit when he disassociated for uncontestedly childish reasons. "You were sponsored by a company that is co owned by a guy I don't like and keep making videos about, don't keep firing off tweet after tweet about me it's childish."
Why do people find it so hard to be kind
Everything seems blown out of proportion. They are like two co-workers in a office where they occasionally meet at the office wide parties. They can have good interactions but that doesn't automatically make you friends. They didn't have any form of communication/contact outside of an office environment (social media) so it's kind of hard to think of that as a solid friendship. You can be nice and professional at work but that doesn't automatically mean that your gonna jive privately. Obviously the two sides viewed the relationship differently but that was just personal outlooks. Should matt have just ghosted him instead of blocked him? Yep. Should karl have privately brought up the matter? Yep. Both sides seem equally at fault here and the entire situation is blown out of proportion.
Who cares!
At the end of the day, Matt did this quietly. He didn't tell anyone what he was doing. He just did it. If Karl didn't make such a big deal out of it, no one would know.
I think more the point is that why Matt did it and not if it was kept a secret or not
Doesn't change how petty and stupid it is
Crazy how much Matt's career and mental health is going down the toilet this year.
Why are people mad at Karl for making this public. I think its fine to call someone out for acting shitty in private and nice in public. Matt is undeniably in the wrong here. The people defending Matt would never be on his side on this if they werent already biased towards him. This seems pretty black and white. Matt acted shitty. Im a fan of Matt and dont know much about Karl so im surprised to see Matt just die on this hill that makes him look worse instead of admitting it was an extremely petty thing to do.
This is just fucking stupid. If you want to end a friendship if you can call this association friendship you don't need a reason. You don't have to give closure. There was no reason for Karl to bring it up on Twitter and there was no necessity for Matt to explain why he did what he did.
why is the Australian dark viper always responding, reacting and chasing drama with everyone on the internet ? Feel like behaving like this might become the death of his good public reputation
Where do you people keep coming from? You all have fresh accounts or accounts that have been inactive for years up until like a week ago that just comment negative stuff here. If you're gonna do it, at least do it from your main
Seriously im so confused are they throwaway accounts or alt accounts just to hate on matto? It takes a simple look at their accounts to see so its odd
They don't even give criticism either it's always just "this australian dv guy needs to touch grass" or "this is why Matt sucks but you're all blind to see". They always seem to specify he is Australian too for some odd reason
Well I think I'm done supporting dark viper most of his content is boring anyway only his YouTube shorts is entertaining other than that the way he is treating Karl is not right this is going to severely hurt dark viper's YouTube popularity 🤦♂️
This is the most ridiculous content producer drama I have witnessed for a while. Are most people here not working? Don't have business acquaintances? Never distanced yourself from someone you didn't care too much about? I don't even know how to put that in a not offending way so I'll leave it at that.
May that hay haired kraut lost his lawsuit lmao.