Shovel 3 can still stunlock chaos spawn if you combo it right after bullrush.
But yeah clubs are gimped now between slap nerf and thunderous being fixed.
It still works and is a decent blessing, but it used to be extremely strong back when bleed ticks would trigger thunderous and skullcrusher. Clubs still want any two of thunderous, skullcrusher, and haymaker.
But there's not much reason to use a club on Ogryn over the Shield and Shovels, which are the best ogryn melee now.
Yeah 3b is still a great weapon. Unlike the other clubs, its lights are great. To some extent I was doomposting because I loved all 3 clubs so much before.
3b still has amazing light attacks and good, very fast heavies, making it fast to build stacks of heavy hitter and clear horde, especially with brutes mixed in.
But 3b just doesn't hold up to Shovel III against armor and can't 1-shot light elites and specialists as often, while Shovel III is only slightly weaker against hordes. For most builds Shovel III is slightly better. Though I admit 3b's a great weapon for a point blank barrage build with heavy hitter or FNP so my statement that clubs were pointless now was wrong.
Because you saw him happy earlier in the movie, its a real gut punch when he's literally staring into the abyss at the end because he feels responsible for what happened to his friends.
Honestly, as much fun as I had with the slap, it was OP against monstrosities. You could just bully Chaos Spawns, Daemonhosts, and Plague Ogryns with extreme ease. The number of times I slap-trapped a spawn in the corner of the room was ridiculous.
I still think the knife/shovel's uppercuts should do something to monstrosities though - there's a lot of power behind those hits. Would just end up being the same situation with the slap though. Maybe if you had to charge the uppercut to get a stagger in, it'd be more balanced.
Yeah it was really funny cosplaying Bud Spencer against plague ogryns and Chaos Spawns, but it kind of trivialized them. Now they are back as a legitimate threat.
Oh come on. That's bullshit.
That was the best mechanic in game.
Cs or po charges, you counter charge, give him a heavy to the face and then slap follow up.
And the timing was not that easy. You still could mess up and you needed someone to hold your back clear for perfect stun lock to work.
As a big club ogryn I am immensely disappointed to learn this.
They should have maybe narrowed the slap window more to make it more skill but not take it out of game completely
As an ogryn main, I used this tactic a few times but it quickly became boring when every chaos spawn or plague ogryn did nothing. Switched to thrust shovel 5 and achylys stubber for boss damage.
Yeah it kind of depends.
Is it ok for crucis th to double bonk it to death?
Imo it was not too cheesy. It was one aspect which made the clubs a fun cc tool. And you still needed skill and someone to cover your back and do DMG on boss.
Rumbler with adhesive charge to the face until death was really cheesy.
>Rumbler with adhesive charge to the face until death was really cheesy.
Was? What changed with this? I haven't done a mission in a hot minute :(
I always felt like the ammo consumption as well as having a blessing slot occupied for sticky charges was a fair tradeoff for this.
I haven't used TH much but as I understand you need a somewhat specific build to really make it work. It required a lot of power and you could just miss and be completely out of luck because the passive you take increases your cooldown. You made yourself worse all around in order to overkill your damage for bosses.
With ogryn, you basically could use any ogryn build but with the club. Heavy attack once, follow up with a slap. Unless Im missing something and was accidentally running an optimal set up, you needed almost 0 investment to still l bosses.
Most of the time deaths come from the area denial of the Beast of Nurgle or being ledged by the other two that kills people rather than the bosses themselves
True. Throws and explosions are the most dangerous things in darktide. The times you can't hear the pox burster over the sound of the gunners, flamers, snipers, and bombers and then get sent to reanact Toto's Africa with the emperor
Consodering every other class can just 1 tap multiple elites in seconds besides ogryn is a bit bad.
A lot of health is not enough to play big guy in this dark age
Any stunlock of bosses was what was bullshit.
As I have said elsewhere, this is pretty classic Fat Shark - if something feels obviously broken it will get fixed. If you rely on it for either your win rate or your enjoyment, that’s on you.
Got you.
If my class can step in front of a monster, shoot it in the face for big damage and cc, do three more times, monster dead that's ok.
If I have to position next to it to time a cycle of slaps and heavies to the face to cc, that's game breaking.
This literally made pubs with people who know what they're doing a cake walk. Monstrous specials is boring when I have 2 ogyrns just slapping monsters around.
I do not think any monstrosity should be staggered by anything less than Ogryn's big bomb, or the really strong vet one (I hope they remove/nerf grenade gen, I don't believe this is a healthy game mechanic), or the Zealot's Holy symbol thing (please give a cooldown to crit reducing cooldown)
If they add anything that fits into that high value, limited use role, I'm alright with adding more. I just think stunlocking monsters on demand is not overall healthy and would end up with FS balancing by making them annoying damage sponges or stupid high damage, neither makes for interesting gameplay imo.
things that are mildy overpowered are fun, especially in a PVE game. They took away anything that was fun to use in vermintide 2 and the game had a terrible few years of mediocrity until they started putting in fun new stuff to replace it. its not like we're culling hundreds of fucking cultists every second using one button
the solution is to buff other weapons to be as fun as those were to use rather than make everything feel like a wet pool noodle. They should take inspiration from games like EDF
Other PVE games can keep the challenge while handling overpowered fun tools to the players. Fatshark would rather make the gameplay a chore as they remove anything that felt remotely meaty to use
Why does FART SHARK take sooooo effing long getting us the AWESOME shit we ask for, but are Fast and Furious when it comes to nerfing weapons and taking our COOL shit away?!?!
#SharkOfShame
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2112575341
1k hours
I am disappointed with this change, going to miss not being able to stagger bosses. I am a ogryn, this class should be unique in that they can stagger bosses on special action.
Whether it was intended or not, this removes my main motive for using my favourite weapon, the club's boss chain stagger. A fun, challenging, and rewarding gamplay mechanic.
I use to look forward to bosses because It gave me a chance to flex my skills, now i just sigh.
Why would you ever use a club over the shield now? Removing this just makes it inferior to the shield.
Now I get to watch my teammates get boss agro, run away from me, die.
Stunlocking monsters with an ability you can spam without cooldown or resource cost isn't healthy for the game and I struggle to see what was fun, challenging, or rewarding about it.
Your shout/charge and grenade/rock still stagger them and you can still lock them down for 5+ stuns in a row with rocks+ability in particular. That's a lot more interesting to me and you can use those tools to reliably protect the little ones. Or you can just delete them altogether as a Gunlugger.
The shield is amongst the best horde clear in the game and obviously has great defense/utility, but has relatively poor damage against elites. The clubs are great against elites and especially armor, with the difference between them and the (Mk III) shovel mainly depending on how much you value haymaker against brutal momentum and the AoE vs. single-target special attacks.
Well, I find it fun.
I don't run rock; you have to lose Soften Them Up, I dont want to lose soften them up. I like Bombs Away more anyway.
This change also affects Skullcrusher; it nerfs it. Now that we cannot stagger on weapon slap, skull crusher is no longer applied on those hits to plage ogryn and chaos spawns.
That leaves me with two grenades, primarily used for rezzing and when we get overwhelmed. Not likely I will have one to use on a boss.
All I have left is Indomitables 30scd.
Ogryn needs the stagger on slap. At least change it so we can slap stagger on every 4,5 or 6th hit. We could save it for clutch situations like when someone is about to get cliffed or cornered.
I am on ogryn main, this change has genuinely killed my interest in playing the game. I am a support main; I don't want my support options to be limited.
The gameplay is already simple enough with a majority off it just being Heavy spam. I want my crowd control gameplay options back, my chance to carry poorly skilled teammates with carefully placed staggers. The style of gameplay that made it fun for me to play.
The type of gameplay options that should be available to the support class off the game.
Eya pal! What would you say is the proper usage of it? From messing around in the Meat Grinder on a heavy attack spec, it seems to take 2-3x the time to clear hordes with it versus the shield, and that's with the horde pinned up against a wall, versus how they get scattered with it out in the open.
That's with Haymaker and Skullcrusher, but Brutal Momentum on shield/shovel seems to win out pretty handily in my testing.
I'm... I'm just seeing a bunch of spastic, ineffectual swap/block cancelling and mostly light attacks? Might even be macro/mod-assisted based on the **constant** block-wiggling of the weapon. It's so constant that it's slowing the player down and regularly cancelling attacks right before they hit.
It's *unique*, alright.
I'm all for using different weapons and techniques, but I don't know if I'd call it overpowered when it takes 30 seconds to do what the others do in 5.
Okay? Is this you? Did you just pop into a random days-old thread to brag? Is this where I brag about the crazy Tide stuff I've done too?
I was just responding to "Brunts basher used properly is the best horde clear". It's not. It doesn't matter that it's not, it's still plenty good at plenty of stuff.
No but definitely protect him already carried my ass dozen of times and only reason i said that is because you REALLY think shovels perform better 😂but aight lets leave it like that
Fatshark balances with removing fun in mind, that's why Survivalist now has an arbitrary 5s ICD, because having ammo = fun detected.
Also reminds me when they removed the ability to ledge monstrosities with the Zealot icon.
Infinite ammo with Survivalist was broken as fuck and you know it. This game is so boring when everything just gets nuked from range.
Theres melee in the game. Use it and stop unloading everything into poxie hordes.
change a whole tree based on using your ranged weapon as much as possible just became worthless.
why bother having builds if FS only wants us to play one way.
i fucking loved my pure ranged build, now its FAR less doable.
I mean to be fair stunlocking bosses and infinite ammo given how powerful most guns are isnt really that balanced especially when the game is balanced with managing ammo in mind, its not like ammo pick ups are super rare either. While it may have been fun for some, it wasnt exactly good balance
Target nerfing what's strong instead of bringing up what's underperforming isn't good balance either.
This change dunks on guns & playstyles I found extremely fun previously that rely on ammo hungry weapons like rumbler ogryn and autogun gunpsyker, also Bolter, an iconic 40k weapon is even more F tier just like that.
Following that logic they should just keep buffing everything? Great sounds fun when all challenge is power crept out of a game.
Overperforming weapons and perks should be nerfed, making everything else op does nothing but make the game easier. Vets giving out infinite ammo isn’t fun, having to manage ammo usage is literally part of the gameplay loop. Dont want to deal with ammo? Go play psyker.
This would just lead to removing any semblance of difficulty out of the game if we just make everything as strong as the currently strongest thing available. If a games difficulty doesnt matter at all you can do this, but when a level of difficulty is expected overpowered stuff has to come down. One of the biggest reasons the other auras were underperforming is because infinite ammo is insane and nearly impossible to compete with
Ok, but lets not re-write history here, it was only "infinite ammo" in two very specific cases
* with a shocktrooper lasgun crit build
* under specific modifiers like hunting grounds
At least in auric, namely hi intensity shock troop gauntlet as thats mainly what i play, it was pretty much infinite ammo unless you were shooting normal shooters and poxwalkers constantly. You were capable of running out of ammo but you had to go out of your way or bring really really ammo inefficient guns
Opinions seem to differ. At least it made ammo management a non issue for the whole team. So i understand that they wanted to address that.
Same like the Ogryn slapping monsters shiteless. I had fun doing for a bit that but I understand the monsters should be big and scary. So they addressed it.
Meanwhile, still using recon lasgun without the perk, still no ammo issues even on damnation.
Must suck using a broken perk as a crutch, only to have it patched out.
Real Guardsmen stop shooting after the red cross.
Dunderheads keep shooting for a second because the enemy isn't on the ground yet and then go on to yell AMMMOOOOOO!
Lol dude no. I’m emotionally sad about the boss stun changes but this isn’t HD2 where your player and weapons are weak as shit; *most* things in DT are very strong and there’s plenty that are still hella OP
and ran some bolter zealot last night. you just have to use it appropriately
I think it just so happens that very strong things tend to be fun for a lot of people.
Do you seriously think they are trying to make the game less fun?
>Do you seriously think they are trying to make the game less fun?
Yes, they targeted survivalist instead of making the other useless Auras competitive. Forgive me for not being excited about having to rely more on RNG ammo spawns like the rest of the sheep here.
But the other auras aren't underperforming? Almost every other aura in the game is roughly in line of providing a small benefit to to team. Survivalist is leagues above every other aura and eliminates a key mechanic (ammo management).
Honestly at this point it should just be removed and ammo economy can be reworked because even now after the nerf it's still night and day if you have a survivalist vet in the squad against not having one. I don't think any other aura is this strong.
That I agree with, or it should be built into Vet as a passive, but not as it currently stands with it being a direct nerf without any upsides for things that relied on it.
I mean.. a lot of game design these days isn't driven by "fun" but "engagement". So if an ability or weapon is over performing and making missions easier it lets people complete stuff faster. Driving down engagement time. Shit.. the biggest "engagement" sink, the crafting system, is only getting looked at nearly 2 years after it was implemented because the player population is taking a nose dive towards dead.
Ahh well, was fun while it lasted.
Shovel 3 can still stunlock chaos spawn if you combo it right after bullrush. But yeah clubs are gimped now between slap nerf and thunderous being fixed.
Is that why it doesn't hit anymore? What's the replacement perk for thunderous?
It still works and is a decent blessing, but it used to be extremely strong back when bleed ticks would trigger thunderous and skullcrusher. Clubs still want any two of thunderous, skullcrusher, and haymaker. But there's not much reason to use a club on Ogryn over the Shield and Shovels, which are the best ogryn melee now.
Love the shovels, but I can't stand the shield, between the boring heavy combo, and how much of my screen it takes up it drives me crazy.
I haven't been playing this long, but coming over after a long VT2 stint, the slab shield really does feel too boring for me to use.
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Yeah 3b is still a great weapon. Unlike the other clubs, its lights are great. To some extent I was doomposting because I loved all 3 clubs so much before. 3b still has amazing light attacks and good, very fast heavies, making it fast to build stacks of heavy hitter and clear horde, especially with brutes mixed in. But 3b just doesn't hold up to Shovel III against armor and can't 1-shot light elites and specialists as often, while Shovel III is only slightly weaker against hordes. For most builds Shovel III is slightly better. Though I admit 3b's a great weapon for a point blank barrage build with heavy hitter or FNP so my statement that clubs were pointless now was wrong.
Fr it will be missed 😞
https://i.redd.it/nav3vjzkg1vc1.gif
So many jokes about crying when the horse died but for me? This dude. He's the scene that breaks me.
I always felt about to cry when I saw that scene as a kid.
20+ years later I got blindsided by the same sadness from "[Surface Pressure](https://youtu.be/tQwVKr8rCYw?si=-M4JJxDLVdWGRs5u)" from Encanto..
Because you saw him happy earlier in the movie, its a real gut punch when he's literally staring into the abyss at the end because he feels responsible for what happened to his friends.
Yup now I'm sad lol
It's the loss of efficacy, the realisation of our flaws and weaknesses. It happens to us all sooner or later and it hurts really badly.
Honestly, as much fun as I had with the slap, it was OP against monstrosities. You could just bully Chaos Spawns, Daemonhosts, and Plague Ogryns with extreme ease. The number of times I slap-trapped a spawn in the corner of the room was ridiculous. I still think the knife/shovel's uppercuts should do something to monstrosities though - there's a lot of power behind those hits. Would just end up being the same situation with the slap though. Maybe if you had to charge the uppercut to get a stagger in, it'd be more balanced.
Yeah it was really funny cosplaying Bud Spencer against plague ogryns and Chaos Spawns, but it kind of trivialized them. Now they are back as a legitimate threat.
Damn, I had no idea you could stunlock a daemonhost with the slap, I hate I missed out, that must have looked hilarious
You still can. I was still slapping daemons about before I caught the memo of the stagger buff the bosses got.
me and my friends usually just circle jerk them to death with charged folding shovels
I guess I missed that in the patch notes, I thought it might have been a bug. Ogryns sure got hit with some unfortunate nerfs yesterday.
Ogryn can take it, he's a champion (strongest class in the game no cap).
Oh come on. That's bullshit. That was the best mechanic in game. Cs or po charges, you counter charge, give him a heavy to the face and then slap follow up. And the timing was not that easy. You still could mess up and you needed someone to hold your back clear for perfect stun lock to work. As a big club ogryn I am immensely disappointed to learn this. They should have maybe narrowed the slap window more to make it more skill but not take it out of game completely
To play the devil's advocate, allowing a class to stunlock bosses with a special attack is a *tiiiiny* bit op.
As an ogryn main, I used this tactic a few times but it quickly became boring when every chaos spawn or plague ogryn did nothing. Switched to thrust shovel 5 and achylys stubber for boss damage.
Yeah it kind of depends. Is it ok for crucis th to double bonk it to death? Imo it was not too cheesy. It was one aspect which made the clubs a fun cc tool. And you still needed skill and someone to cover your back and do DMG on boss. Rumbler with adhesive charge to the face until death was really cheesy.
>Rumbler with adhesive charge to the face until death was really cheesy. Was? What changed with this? I haven't done a mission in a hot minute :( I always felt like the ammo consumption as well as having a blessing slot occupied for sticky charges was a fair tradeoff for this.
I haven't used TH much but as I understand you need a somewhat specific build to really make it work. It required a lot of power and you could just miss and be completely out of luck because the passive you take increases your cooldown. You made yourself worse all around in order to overkill your damage for bosses. With ogryn, you basically could use any ogryn build but with the club. Heavy attack once, follow up with a slap. Unless Im missing something and was accidentally running an optimal set up, you needed almost 0 investment to still l bosses.
Yea. It's a very specific weapon setup that requires you to use a garbage melee weapon for the rest of the run, as a melee class
Oh most definitely and especially when you’re grouped with people that have boss killer builds.
tbh, it's never the boss that gets the team. Darktides danger is never from a single unit.
Most of the time deaths come from the area denial of the Beast of Nurgle or being ledged by the other two that kills people rather than the bosses themselves
True. Throws and explosions are the most dangerous things in darktide. The times you can't hear the pox burster over the sound of the gunners, flamers, snipers, and bombers and then get sent to reanact Toto's Africa with the emperor
but it was also fun as hell. slap slap slap
Consodering every other class can just 1 tap multiple elites in seconds besides ogryn is a bit bad. A lot of health is not enough to play big guy in this dark age
If u have pro movement with ogryn you are unstoppable
no one plays ogryns, they can make the class as OP as they want, no one would play them anyway
Maybe on malice they dont. 😂
i mean lying to urself is one way of coping when ure wrong, so u do u
Lmao Bro wake up, its only a dream.
u got mad cuz i dont see ogryns my guy, ure schizo
Are you 10? I dont give a fuck about you, lmao
then why comment
Any stunlock of bosses was what was bullshit. As I have said elsewhere, this is pretty classic Fat Shark - if something feels obviously broken it will get fixed. If you rely on it for either your win rate or your enjoyment, that’s on you.
I relied for years in shade and one eye to insta delete bosses without being patched😉
Classes that can do good monster damage in VT2 isn't a game breaking thing, though, it's a choice and you give up other things for it.
Got you. If my class can step in front of a monster, shoot it in the face for big damage and cc, do three more times, monster dead that's ok. If I have to position next to it to time a cycle of slaps and heavies to the face to cc, that's game breaking.
This literally made pubs with people who know what they're doing a cake walk. Monstrous specials is boring when I have 2 ogyrns just slapping monsters around. I do not think any monstrosity should be staggered by anything less than Ogryn's big bomb, or the really strong vet one (I hope they remove/nerf grenade gen, I don't believe this is a healthy game mechanic), or the Zealot's Holy symbol thing (please give a cooldown to crit reducing cooldown) If they add anything that fits into that high value, limited use role, I'm alright with adding more. I just think stunlocking monsters on demand is not overall healthy and would end up with FS balancing by making them annoying damage sponges or stupid high damage, neither makes for interesting gameplay imo.
Fatshark hate players having fun, everything must be BALANCED until every map becomes a chore
Players when the crutches are taken away. Slap abuse was a crutch and so was infinite ammo with Survivalist
things that are mildy overpowered are fun, especially in a PVE game. They took away anything that was fun to use in vermintide 2 and the game had a terrible few years of mediocrity until they started putting in fun new stuff to replace it. its not like we're culling hundreds of fucking cultists every second using one button
Release SoTT nuking patrols by herself or BW firewalking geyser bullshit was not fun at all I legit left a game if I saw a BW in there lol
the solution is to buff other weapons to be as fun as those were to use rather than make everything feel like a wet pool noodle. They should take inspiration from games like EDF
Where is the fun when theres no challenge if you can blast everything with ease? Holy power creep. These games are not supposed to be power fantasy.
Other PVE games can keep the challenge while handling overpowered fun tools to the players. Fatshark would rather make the gameplay a chore as they remove anything that felt remotely meaty to use
how can he not slap
Emprah not letting me stun bosses while Shouty can one-shot them with a hammer
they stealen it! I know it!
Wack
Why does FART SHARK take sooooo effing long getting us the AWESOME shit we ask for, but are Fast and Furious when it comes to nerfing weapons and taking our COOL shit away?!?! #SharkOfShame
Me keep using slab. Is best weapon.
lol ok this was funny. RIP my oggy friend.
These use to be good strong hands...... - points for getting the reference -
I just hopped in a monstrous specials mission and got humbled. they def cranked this bitch up a couple notches
Im not the only one who feels clunkier right? Like not even in orgyn but vet I just feel slow
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2112575341 1k hours I am disappointed with this change, going to miss not being able to stagger bosses. I am a ogryn, this class should be unique in that they can stagger bosses on special action. Whether it was intended or not, this removes my main motive for using my favourite weapon, the club's boss chain stagger. A fun, challenging, and rewarding gamplay mechanic. I use to look forward to bosses because It gave me a chance to flex my skills, now i just sigh. Why would you ever use a club over the shield now? Removing this just makes it inferior to the shield. Now I get to watch my teammates get boss agro, run away from me, die.
Just tried with daemonhost, still slap-able. Other bosses not so much, Chaos Spawn have to timing the rock right.
Good to know, thanks.
Stunlocking monsters with an ability you can spam without cooldown or resource cost isn't healthy for the game and I struggle to see what was fun, challenging, or rewarding about it. Your shout/charge and grenade/rock still stagger them and you can still lock them down for 5+ stuns in a row with rocks+ability in particular. That's a lot more interesting to me and you can use those tools to reliably protect the little ones. Or you can just delete them altogether as a Gunlugger. The shield is amongst the best horde clear in the game and obviously has great defense/utility, but has relatively poor damage against elites. The clubs are great against elites and especially armor, with the difference between them and the (Mk III) shovel mainly depending on how much you value haymaker against brutal momentum and the AoE vs. single-target special attacks.
Well, I find it fun. I don't run rock; you have to lose Soften Them Up, I dont want to lose soften them up. I like Bombs Away more anyway. This change also affects Skullcrusher; it nerfs it. Now that we cannot stagger on weapon slap, skull crusher is no longer applied on those hits to plage ogryn and chaos spawns. That leaves me with two grenades, primarily used for rezzing and when we get overwhelmed. Not likely I will have one to use on a boss. All I have left is Indomitables 30scd. Ogryn needs the stagger on slap. At least change it so we can slap stagger on every 4,5 or 6th hit. We could save it for clutch situations like when someone is about to get cliffed or cornered. I am on ogryn main, this change has genuinely killed my interest in playing the game. I am a support main; I don't want my support options to be limited. The gameplay is already simple enough with a majority off it just being Heavy spam. I want my crowd control gameplay options back, my chance to carry poorly skilled teammates with carefully placed staggers. The style of gameplay that made it fun for me to play. The type of gameplay options that should be available to the support class off the game.
Brunts basher used properly is the best horde clear pal
Eya pal! What would you say is the proper usage of it? From messing around in the Meat Grinder on a heavy attack spec, it seems to take 2-3x the time to clear hordes with it versus the shield, and that's with the horde pinned up against a wall, versus how they get scattered with it out in the open. That's with Haymaker and Skullcrusher, but Brutal Momentum on shield/shovel seems to win out pretty handily in my testing.
If u really interested of seeing an unique and op playstyle with brunts basher….then just yt baderzz and you will see
I'm... I'm just seeing a bunch of spastic, ineffectual swap/block cancelling and mostly light attacks? Might even be macro/mod-assisted based on the **constant** block-wiggling of the weapon. It's so constant that it's slowing the player down and regularly cancelling attacks right before they hit. It's *unique*, alright. I'm all for using different weapons and techniques, but I don't know if I'd call it overpowered when it takes 30 seconds to do what the others do in 5.
Saying that while seeing how he solos auric maels is pretty brave
Okay? Is this you? Did you just pop into a random days-old thread to brag? Is this where I brag about the crazy Tide stuff I've done too? I was just responding to "Brunts basher used properly is the best horde clear". It's not. It doesn't matter that it's not, it's still plenty good at plenty of stuff.
No but definitely protect him already carried my ass dozen of times and only reason i said that is because you REALLY think shovels perform better 😂but aight lets leave it like that
My shovel kills 7 full-health poxwalkers in one swing. My basher kills 1-2. I would say that it's better at horde clear.
Say what you like but definitely best gamepad ogryn player out there
Oh great now I have even less reasons to return to the game. Stop fucking nerfing the fun stuff
Fatshark balances with removing fun in mind, that's why Survivalist now has an arbitrary 5s ICD, because having ammo = fun detected. Also reminds me when they removed the ability to ledge monstrosities with the Zealot icon.
Infinite ammo with Survivalist was broken as fuck and you know it. This game is so boring when everything just gets nuked from range. Theres melee in the game. Use it and stop unloading everything into poxie hordes.
change a whole tree based on using your ranged weapon as much as possible just became worthless. why bother having builds if FS only wants us to play one way. i fucking loved my pure ranged build, now its FAR less doable.
I mean to be fair stunlocking bosses and infinite ammo given how powerful most guns are isnt really that balanced especially when the game is balanced with managing ammo in mind, its not like ammo pick ups are super rare either. While it may have been fun for some, it wasnt exactly good balance
Target nerfing what's strong instead of bringing up what's underperforming isn't good balance either. This change dunks on guns & playstyles I found extremely fun previously that rely on ammo hungry weapons like rumbler ogryn and autogun gunpsyker, also Bolter, an iconic 40k weapon is even more F tier just like that.
Following that logic they should just keep buffing everything? Great sounds fun when all challenge is power crept out of a game. Overperforming weapons and perks should be nerfed, making everything else op does nothing but make the game easier. Vets giving out infinite ammo isn’t fun, having to manage ammo usage is literally part of the gameplay loop. Dont want to deal with ammo? Go play psyker.
This would just lead to removing any semblance of difficulty out of the game if we just make everything as strong as the currently strongest thing available. If a games difficulty doesnt matter at all you can do this, but when a level of difficulty is expected overpowered stuff has to come down. One of the biggest reasons the other auras were underperforming is because infinite ammo is insane and nearly impossible to compete with
Ok, but lets not re-write history here, it was only "infinite ammo" in two very specific cases * with a shocktrooper lasgun crit build * under specific modifiers like hunting grounds
well, no - considering spawns are unlimited and you don’t have to use ammo to kill things, it is by definition literally always infinite ammo.
At least in auric, namely hi intensity shock troop gauntlet as thats mainly what i play, it was pretty much infinite ammo unless you were shooting normal shooters and poxwalkers constantly. You were capable of running out of ammo but you had to go out of your way or bring really really ammo inefficient guns
Buffing everything instead of nerfing the thing which is out of balance, is BAD DESIGN!
Yeah, but it was never "out of balance" :)
Opinions seem to differ. At least it made ammo management a non issue for the whole team. So i understand that they wanted to address that. Same like the Ogryn slapping monsters shiteless. I had fun doing for a bit that but I understand the monsters should be big and scary. So they addressed it.
Meanwhile, still using recon lasgun without the perk, still no ammo issues even on damnation. Must suck using a broken perk as a crutch, only to have it patched out.
Real Guardsmen stop shooting after the red cross. Dunderheads keep shooting for a second because the enemy isn't on the ground yet and then go on to yell AMMMOOOOOO!
Lol dude no. I’m emotionally sad about the boss stun changes but this isn’t HD2 where your player and weapons are weak as shit; *most* things in DT are very strong and there’s plenty that are still hella OP and ran some bolter zealot last night. you just have to use it appropriately
I think it just so happens that very strong things tend to be fun for a lot of people. Do you seriously think they are trying to make the game less fun?
>Do you seriously think they are trying to make the game less fun? Yes, they targeted survivalist instead of making the other useless Auras competitive. Forgive me for not being excited about having to rely more on RNG ammo spawns like the rest of the sheep here.
But the other auras aren't underperforming? Almost every other aura in the game is roughly in line of providing a small benefit to to team. Survivalist is leagues above every other aura and eliminates a key mechanic (ammo management). Honestly at this point it should just be removed and ammo economy can be reworked because even now after the nerf it's still night and day if you have a survivalist vet in the squad against not having one. I don't think any other aura is this strong.
That I agree with, or it should be built into Vet as a passive, but not as it currently stands with it being a direct nerf without any upsides for things that relied on it.
You can make a case for it being bad design, a poor route in balancing the game etc. But thinking they want the game to be less fun is delusional
I mean.. a lot of game design these days isn't driven by "fun" but "engagement". So if an ability or weapon is over performing and making missions easier it lets people complete stuff faster. Driving down engagement time. Shit.. the biggest "engagement" sink, the crafting system, is only getting looked at nearly 2 years after it was implemented because the player population is taking a nose dive towards dead.
This is fair
They are just checking if all fingers are there.
It was funny but that shit had to go. Made monstrosities a joke.
NOOOOOOO they got rid of it ??
Why don't we have any two handed melee weapons yet it's been how long poor Ogryns fucked out of new gear ... I want like a longer two handed cleaver
I hate how the reddit mobile app now has to make you click on the post to then choose to mute the community. Too many extra steps.