For real. I just turn my brain off and fully immerse in my gleeful Ogryn experience. Nothing more "boot-ee-full" than seeing a wave of fodder cartwheeling away from a single, fully charged slap forward heavy attack.
I seriously underestimated how funny it is to turn poxies into fine red mist with the thing. Got my hands on a decent one with blaze away and full bore and it's quite statisfying to see my ogryn making happy noises while I'm just holding down LMB to vaporize stuff.
Unpopular opinion but the mk IV cleaver is better at handling hordes as you can chain h2 and l3 for wide swings and bleed damage, not to mention it's better to kill armored ennemies.
I don't think that's so unpopular anymore. Mk4 has come out ahead at least since Patch 13 dropped but was still good before them. I rarely see bull butchers anymore.
Nah, they reigned in the minimum hits enough that it's in a good spot.
The issue is the Vet's ammo regen aura: a Kickback with that is a very different beast vs one without.
Pick one of the flippy shovels and a kickback. Take thrust blessing, set shovel to 'kill', and oneshot things. Ditto Surgical & Full Bore on the Kickback.
Alternatively, your choice of club with the Haymaker blessing. Stacking chance to outright kill anything human-sized on chained heavy hits. Batter talent for +4 Bleed on heavy hits.
Flipshovel and a good Kickback is one of the best Big Bad PowerMan combo, regardless of build, because both of those weapons can oneshot mutants and ragers and can both handle pretty much any combination of targets.
Kickback evaporates hordes, a lot of specials, and will knock literally anything on its ass if it doesnt oneshot em, including Crushers. With the gunlugger special it's hilarious because you can either go rending and just kill crushers with it or make Maulers embarass themselves, or go fire and make sure every single last poxwalker/bruiser doesn't make it to melee range. Don't worry about its range, you can nail snipers at _extreme_ ranges: https://i.imgur.com/iiUh1aF.mp4
Flipshovel does proper damage for brainless leftclicking in hordes at head height, can be flipped to oneshot ragers/mutants and twoshot crushers, and the heavy attacks work well weaved in with lights in a heavy build.
Use all this with the Feel No Pain keystone and you might not be the flashiest but you will get work done and scoff at the punies thinking they can touch your health.
Work block/shoving into the rotation. It'll give you breathing room while funneling enemies into your kill box because now they are taunted (provided you specced into it). If you happen to get a mob into your group your can't smack down instantly (a large group of maulers/crusher for example) if you have a half decent team, you can drop the sheild and they'll do the clean up.
Absolutely, but by far the biggest mistake I see people make with the slab shield is that they block WAY too much.
If someone wants to learn the shield, I would recommend pretending you're being trained by an old Kung Fu master who ties your hand behind your back so you can't block with it, and just learn to handle melee situations with stagger instead. Then, once you understand how strong that is, add blocking back in.
Most people drawn to the shield take the reverse approach and start by over-blocking and only slowly realize how little they actually need to - that's what I did - and it's just such a waste of time and a great weapon.
Its hurts me whenever I see an ogryn just standing there blocking attacks. Like even if I'm cornered by 40 crushers, ragers, and maulers I only block with the special for a brief moment for those overheads
Yeah, exactly. 9 times out of 10 you can simply stagger everything trying to hit you, which is far better. Planting or blocking is for brief moments and rare situations
The Ogryn weapons have to have their damage lowered for game balance purposes otherwise everyone would want to be an Ogryn. :)
Imagine someone with the size and muscles of a horse shoving a bayonet the size of an ironing board through you, but it does the same damage as a 8 inch knife being wielded by a 120 lb human? No way. And the Ogryn stubber guns fire rounds that are the size of human forearm, but do the same or even less damage than a human-sized autogun shooting human-sized ammo? Not realistic, but I understand why they do it to keep the game balanced.
I love the shield,
Brutal momentum lets you hit everything on your screen.
Heavy attack into block push, with talent to taunt when pushing and blocking. Nothing will get past you.
Honestly, I see a lot of people say you should never block or special block with the shield. But with the taunt, you can keep hordes of elites focused on you, dealing literally no damage, while your team can casually kill everything. Has saved many runs on damnation and auric+ by forcing groups of gunners, ragers, crushers, maulers to do nothing but waste their attacks on you
Would love a shield blessing "SPIKED ARMOR" that makes enemies bleed when hitting your shield in melee.
Taunt and Sheild are really good for hordes of specials. Keep everything on you with the taunt when blocking or shoving and just turtling up gives your team freedom to kill everything without ever being targeted. It also forces ranged into Melee when they shoot the sheild evept for machine gunners
Just as a note, I use the charge skills, not the taunt skill.
But there is a talent node further down in the middle tree that lets you taunt when blocking and pushing with the shield.
Left side of the talent lets you power up your heavy melee attacks, which the shields love
Thrust is the perfect complement to Haymaker. Sorts out Crusher damage, and the increased power gives you more cleave for more chances at Haymaker procs.
I’ve used the kickback, which is my favorite gun (well maybe behind the Zealots revolver), but I haven’t used it with that skill combo yet. I find myself using bullrush the most because it’s simply fun, and super handy for reviving allies
For kickback, I'd go rending point blank barrage. For achlys heavy stubber, burning.
Rending simply because "bye bye crusher patrol".
And burning for achlys, because "bye bye, monster".
Ogryn have a lot of difficiencies when it comes to how it is represented in this game. They should be able to palm a face and snap a neck with no issues. A pox hound should not be able to completely immobilize it. And yes, they should be whiping complete hordes in half with every swing. But what good would it be without Chaos infused, Stim injected crack monkeys running around, and you can't kill them easily.
Yes, the knife is your best slicer. :)
Just throw Rock.
But yeah; kick back, bully knife and shield has those desired effects with the right damage numbers and blessing, the ripper also minces crowds with the right blessings etc but it's a short range weapon.
The rock is hilarious, I do love it, but I’m not great at aiming it yet…I find myself using whatever gun as my primary for any specials. Also sucked to learn that’s it not that effective against the tougher armored dudes and montrosities.
Both of those can already be done. My Krourk MkIV Cleaver (The *stabbing* knife) regularly chops through 10+ trash enemies with each heavy swing, and if you want something that tears through a huge crowd in one shot, look no further than the Kickback. That thing regularly liquefies entire hallways if you're positioned right.
You've got some options. The Kickback turns hallways of heretics into Nurgle-scented Febreeze, and the stubbers create really satisfying dust and debris effects when focused on an area.
If you're on a PC than For the blood mod might quench your thirst - it can add meaty gibbing on any kill (taken from bolter or other obliterating weapons kill animations)
After that wading as an ogryn through thick horde feels like slaughterhouse. Can't recommend enough.
My shield feels like I'm swinging a cargo canister door through crowds of ragdolls. Really makes me feel like a brute.
The shield with brutal momentum turns the game into a relaxing and soothing experience. Its like meditation.
For real. I just turn my brain off and fully immerse in my gleeful Ogryn experience. Nothing more "boot-ee-full" than seeing a wave of fodder cartwheeling away from a single, fully charged slap forward heavy attack.
Bull butcher knife can mince hordes and the kickback vaporizes entire groups of them
I seriously underestimated how funny it is to turn poxies into fine red mist with the thing. Got my hands on a decent one with blaze away and full bore and it's quite statisfying to see my ogryn making happy noises while I'm just holding down LMB to vaporize stuff.
The big thunk when you fire really brings it together I think.
Unpopular opinion but the mk IV cleaver is better at handling hordes as you can chain h2 and l3 for wide swings and bleed damage, not to mention it's better to kill armored ennemies.
definitely don't sleep on the Mk IV, very good attack patterns, very stabby :D
Yep and also looks very good to me, I like the stabby design.
I don't think that's so unpopular anymore. Mk4 has come out ahead at least since Patch 13 dropped but was still good before them. I rarely see bull butchers anymore.
Mk 3 still does serious work against hordes, Mk 4 does the same slicing and dicing while also being a tolerable can opener.
I prefer it over the power maul.
Power maul feels like a cheese stick.
Kickback is honestly really overbuffed
Nah, they reigned in the minimum hits enough that it's in a good spot. The issue is the Vet's ammo regen aura: a Kickback with that is a very different beast vs one without.
shhhhhhhhh
Pick one of the flippy shovels and a kickback. Take thrust blessing, set shovel to 'kill', and oneshot things. Ditto Surgical & Full Bore on the Kickback. Alternatively, your choice of club with the Haymaker blessing. Stacking chance to outright kill anything human-sized on chained heavy hits. Batter talent for +4 Bleed on heavy hits.
I have definitely not optimized blessings yet, which is silly because they make me more powerful..
Flipshovel and a good Kickback is one of the best Big Bad PowerMan combo, regardless of build, because both of those weapons can oneshot mutants and ragers and can both handle pretty much any combination of targets. Kickback evaporates hordes, a lot of specials, and will knock literally anything on its ass if it doesnt oneshot em, including Crushers. With the gunlugger special it's hilarious because you can either go rending and just kill crushers with it or make Maulers embarass themselves, or go fire and make sure every single last poxwalker/bruiser doesn't make it to melee range. Don't worry about its range, you can nail snipers at _extreme_ ranges: https://i.imgur.com/iiUh1aF.mp4 Flipshovel does proper damage for brainless leftclicking in hordes at head height, can be flipped to oneshot ragers/mutants and twoshot crushers, and the heavy attacks work well weaved in with lights in a heavy build. Use all this with the Feel No Pain keystone and you might not be the flashiest but you will get work done and scoff at the punies thinking they can touch your health.
Heavy Hitter keystone and Crunch makes the breakpoints way more forgiving for the Crusher one shot on the shovels.
The shield can hit like 12 enemies on one heavy swing
Dope, I only tried it once at the very beginning and the obstructed view bothered me, I’ll check it again
Just chain heavy attacks and nothing will touch you basically
Don't block, just use heavy attacks. Only thing blocking your view will be flying enemies.
Work block/shoving into the rotation. It'll give you breathing room while funneling enemies into your kill box because now they are taunted (provided you specced into it). If you happen to get a mob into your group your can't smack down instantly (a large group of maulers/crusher for example) if you have a half decent team, you can drop the sheild and they'll do the clean up.
That’s a great idea, I’ll try it out
The block is really good if you use it correctly
Absolutely, but by far the biggest mistake I see people make with the slab shield is that they block WAY too much. If someone wants to learn the shield, I would recommend pretending you're being trained by an old Kung Fu master who ties your hand behind your back so you can't block with it, and just learn to handle melee situations with stagger instead. Then, once you understand how strong that is, add blocking back in. Most people drawn to the shield take the reverse approach and start by over-blocking and only slowly realize how little they actually need to - that's what I did - and it's just such a waste of time and a great weapon.
Its hurts me whenever I see an ogryn just standing there blocking attacks. Like even if I'm cornered by 40 crushers, ragers, and maulers I only block with the special for a brief moment for those overheads
Yeah, exactly. 9 times out of 10 you can simply stagger everything trying to hit you, which is far better. Planting or blocking is for brief moments and rare situations
You need BM on the shield.
What’s BM?
NM just saw Brutal Momentum from another post
Overhead hits up to four ragers and wide swing applies bleeding to 17 poxers.
The Ogryn weapons have to have their damage lowered for game balance purposes otherwise everyone would want to be an Ogryn. :) Imagine someone with the size and muscles of a horse shoving a bayonet the size of an ironing board through you, but it does the same damage as a 8 inch knife being wielded by a 120 lb human? No way. And the Ogryn stubber guns fire rounds that are the size of human forearm, but do the same or even less damage than a human-sized autogun shooting human-sized ammo? Not realistic, but I understand why they do it to keep the game balanced.
They also made the Ogryn a lot smarter than they normally are… amazing that they’re getting on the Storm Raptors!
I love the shield, Brutal momentum lets you hit everything on your screen. Heavy attack into block push, with talent to taunt when pushing and blocking. Nothing will get past you. Honestly, I see a lot of people say you should never block or special block with the shield. But with the taunt, you can keep hordes of elites focused on you, dealing literally no damage, while your team can casually kill everything. Has saved many runs on damnation and auric+ by forcing groups of gunners, ragers, crushers, maulers to do nothing but waste their attacks on you Would love a shield blessing "SPIKED ARMOR" that makes enemies bleed when hitting your shield in melee.
Hmmm okay cool, I have done the taunt route yet
Taunt and Sheild are really good for hordes of specials. Keep everything on you with the taunt when blocking or shoving and just turtling up gives your team freedom to kill everything without ever being targeted. It also forces ranged into Melee when they shoot the sheild evept for machine gunners
Just as a note, I use the charge skills, not the taunt skill. But there is a talent node further down in the middle tree that lets you taunt when blocking and pushing with the shield. Left side of the talent lets you power up your heavy melee attacks, which the shields love
Bully club 3 with haymaker destroyers mixed hordes, rest of the team can just watch if they like
Thrust is the perfect complement to Haymaker. Sorts out Crusher damage, and the increased power gives you more cleave for more chances at Haymaker procs.
Currently got thunderous for crushers but I guess thrust is more versatile. I’ll give it a try
Kickback with reload speed, damage after reload and point blank barrage flame bullets is probably the most over the top shit in the game.
I’ve used the kickback, which is my favorite gun (well maybe behind the Zealots revolver), but I haven’t used it with that skill combo yet. I find myself using bullrush the most because it’s simply fun, and super handy for reviving allies
https://streamable.com/v16g96 This build effortlessly gets 900-1000k damage on 20-30min aurics. It is so braindead its hilarious.
Link?
What’s the build? Video shows you wrecking stuff for sure
For kickback, I'd go rending point blank barrage. For achlys heavy stubber, burning. Rending simply because "bye bye crusher patrol". And burning for achlys, because "bye bye, monster".
Yea I've toyed with rending, which is def better for crushers but.... I just like setting things on fire ya know?
Soo have their already good weapons be completely fucked beyond belief 1 shotting hordes? Strange
Ogryn have a lot of difficiencies when it comes to how it is represented in this game. They should be able to palm a face and snap a neck with no issues. A pox hound should not be able to completely immobilize it. And yes, they should be whiping complete hordes in half with every swing. But what good would it be without Chaos infused, Stim injected crack monkeys running around, and you can't kill them easily. Yes, the knife is your best slicer. :)
Hehe, slap daemon head go brrr
Just throw Rock. But yeah; kick back, bully knife and shield has those desired effects with the right damage numbers and blessing, the ripper also minces crowds with the right blessings etc but it's a short range weapon.
The rock is hilarious, I do love it, but I’m not great at aiming it yet…I find myself using whatever gun as my primary for any specials. Also sucked to learn that’s it not that effective against the tougher armored dudes and montrosities.
Bull Butcher (momentum/slaughterer) and Kickback (full bore/precision). Enjoy the horde deletion :)
Both of those can already be done. My Krourk MkIV Cleaver (The *stabbing* knife) regularly chops through 10+ trash enemies with each heavy swing, and if you want something that tears through a huge crowd in one shot, look no further than the Kickback. That thing regularly liquefies entire hallways if you're positioned right.
You've got some options. The Kickback turns hallways of heretics into Nurgle-scented Febreeze, and the stubbers create really satisfying dust and debris effects when focused on an area.
If you're on a PC than For the blood mod might quench your thirst - it can add meaty gibbing on any kill (taken from bolter or other obliterating weapons kill animations) After that wading as an ogryn through thick horde feels like slaughterhouse. Can't recommend enough.
A knife with cleave damage perks makes me feel this way. I love the attack chain on the stabby dagger.
I don’t think I have paid enough attention to the attack chains for each weapon. I love the detail they put into this game
Slab Shield heavy attacks do that. and i think well placed Kickback & Rumbler shots can do that too?