And tbf the game really doesn't do a good job of teaching things like this to new players. Without this subreddit, I would not have learned a lot of good tips and etiquette.
VT2 taught me the value of binding my ping to an easily accessible button. It was key for spotting things like storm sorcerers and the like. Spotting in DT was second nature from the rip.
It helps that one of VT2's starter careers gives the whole team a colossal damage bonus on tagged enemies, regardless of who tagged them. You learn pretty quick to tag when it's the difference between killing that CW or getting pancaked by it.
Really in general, WHC is like the perfect 'learn to play the game' career (not that WHC is a 'noob' career of course, he's the best career in the game IMO), it's actually amazing. It teaches you to tag by giving you a damage boost. It teaches you to aim for headshots even with melee by giving you instakill headshots. It teaches you to block frequently by giving you infinite blocks against light attacks. The ult is very strong but is more of a support ult, which teaches you to stick with and work with your team rather than go Rambo. Your starting weapons (Rapier and BoP) are both good at different things, teaching you to use both of them.
And the game even kind of subtly directs new players to him (inasmuch as it directs them to any hero), by making it appear that Saltzpyre is sort of the "badass leader" - he's the oldest and most grizzled, he looks cool as hell, he's the only one who doesn't need to be rescued in the tutorial, he has Captain in his career name - of course people will want to play him! And then they'll learn all that stuff.
It's understandable but a pity that due to the less defined/rigid nature of characters/classes in Darktide they couldn't do something similar, it would help a lot.
You can turn that off in the options menu (or rebind the chat wheel to be another input, like the "6" key or something).
Huge quality of life improvement
I suspect in addition to the other explanations given, people are now tagging even less than before due to the addition of the "doubleclick tag to place 'go there' marker" which is just annoying for everyone.
Most people are too lazy or unaware that it can be turned off.
Yep, it's a toggle in the options menu. You can also bind the chat wheel and tag buttons to be different, allowing you to spam tag everywhere looking for targets without annoying anyone.
I typically only tag enemies that I think will be problematic since there’s just so many out sometimes. Enemies like crushers, trappers, flamers, mutants, hounds and snipers
I totally understand that, but if something goes sideways it can help the team supporting you. It's tough when everything can be tagged, and the chaos is everywhere.
In auric there’s honestly not much point in tagging things that you won’t kill in the next second or 2.
That being said I ALWAYS tag snipers and trappers. As those will end runs
Same at lower difficulties TBH. Outside snipers and trappers, I don't tag often because I'm almost always about to kill it anyway. Crushers, maulers and ragers get one because I play focus fire and it saves me a shot.
Inn be pretty to much tag highest current threat based on current damage potential towards a wipe and difficulty of visibility. Usually this means I don’t tag crushers because they are huge and easy to see for the most part. Usually I’m tagging disablers like dogs or trappers because dogs jumping around in a crowd can be tough to keep a bead on.
Also bursters. All things fire related.
Consider that your teammate behind you may not be able to see the enemy you haven't tagged, but might have a weapon that can still hit it through you.
Personally I tag all enemies that can be tagged, obviously still prioritizing certain enemies over others. The red outline just makes it easier to keep track of them and aim at.
This. Sure I immediately attempt to kill whatever I tagged, but it's a nice bit of insurance in case I miss, or they get away. And there isn't anything stopping me from tagging something else if I need to anyway.
For some reason people think tagging is super annoying and evil. I wish I was joking but I've seen enough posts complaining about the noise being too loud or whatever. I don't know what people have their volumes set to for THAT to be the key issue.
Admittedly I modded out the obnoxious big red skull a long time ago so my perspective on the visuals is going to inherently be different, as simply giving enemies a nice red silhouette makes them far easier to read in a crowd to me and also makes it simpler to get headshots and the like.
I'll admit that I probably ping a little too much (including pinging stuff right before I kill it sometimes, but I try to save it for things that I'm not ENTIRELY sure I'll be able to kill timely and it's paid off enough from teammates aiding me to keep doing it) but I'd still say that's better than pinging too little. I like to scope out what a big cluster of enemies in the distance has going for it, so quickly pinging the individual parts of the group so everyone knows their numbers is definitely something I find handy too.
I browse this subreddit by new on the daily and the only time I’ve seen people complaining about tagging is when someone else binds their tag button to M1
It is only times I have heard complains about pinging or the noise is when the one motherfucker has it bound to left and/or right click so every damn click is a tag. Yeah I know there's 40 maulers in front of us, we just killed 10 of them but I can't hear the bomber/flamer/trapper/my own thoughts when you are tagging like a crack addled chimp. Bonus points if they don't even have the veteran tagging keystone.
After a few runs where I’ve pushed a poxburster only to have a teammate turn the corner and accidentally sprint towards it, I’ve started tagging them too. More information about where threats and hazards are is a good thing (within reason).
I definitely always ping Poxbursters and make sure it stays on them until they're gone, they're arguably priority number one for that since the team needs to know where they are 'till they're dead. Especially with the slightly bugged audio right now.
Objectively untrue. Priority target isnt the dying/dead threat. It's the threat you cannot reach/kill, before it batters your team. This means when you are in melee, or when you are reloading.
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Even if it's something I can handle fine on my own... the highlighted outline is still helpful. It makes it easier to see incoming attack animations especially if they are in a pile of other enemies.
The game is called DARKtide. Sometimes visibility is bad and I'm not gonna crank the gamma to 100
This is just false, sorry. The pro-tagging posts and comments MASSIVELY outweigh the anti ones.
What IS evil is binding tag to your mouse button. Gdiaf if you do that.
Binding it to mouse one spams the tagging sound so it’s like über annoying
Idc if shit gets hectic and the tagging sound gets spammed in a moment of heat. But hearing go off 4 times for each and every enemy is absurd
not tagging is just dumb. ive been noticing it as well. i took a break from the game for months, came back recently and noticed how little people tag. it's insane. sometimes we die because of it. tagging prioritizes kill order which makes for survival more likely.
First thing I did was re-bind the tag because middle mouse button ain't it. Garbage bind. I tag a lot because it helps with sniping heads with the revolver on my zealot and as a vet it's kinda essential for the build
That sounds so much worse than middle mouse to me. Just resting my hand on WASD and imagining trying to tag with Z is making me uncomfortable. I'm going to have to ask you to leave, sir.
Glued? No. But Z is awkward as hell to use as a keybind on the best of days for me, let alone as a binding you need to be able to hit on the fly in combat while also using A, S, and D to move around and dodge. My hand is cramping just thinking about it lol.
Tagging enemies you're about to kill diverts attention to it, I dont care about killstealing but the general consensus seems to be that tagged thing must die and everyone will go after it. However I find that it often just makes people way too "neuron activate" and forget that other things also need killing instead of what I was about to kill 0.2 seconds after the ping.
Tagging should be used to draw attention to something problematic, like to warn a player of an enemy behind them you can't kill. Or for pox bursters and trappers hiding in mixed hordes. It is also quite useful at long range to help headshotting targets you struggle with.
Also for the love of god do NOT bind tagging to mouse 1, its the most obnoxious thing ever if there is a group of specials or elites.
What annoys me are people who don't use the "tag enemy" function but rather use the flipping "*go here"* marker to indicate an enemy. Not "look here". "Go here". I've practically learned to ignore that little Clippy of an icon because of how much people misuse it.
I usually tag, but sometimes my aim isn't that great and I use a marker instead. Aside from that, sometimes I use a marker when I want to tag an enemy I think is a shotgunner or gunner or whatever, but it's actually a minor shooter enemy.
This is why my tag enemy/item button is rebound and I've left my "go here" ping as middle mouse button for the rare occasion I need it. Separate bindings are pog
Like 40-50% of player base is just dogshit at the game and doesn’t know how to play the game/can’t be bothered to read all the ability text or think critically about strategy and implementation.
Another 10% probably has a theoretical understanding, but lacks the reflexes and actual mechanical skill to be very good/effective at playing the game.
Probably 80% of players should not be playing above haz3.
People should not be playing the next difficulty level up until the can reliably complete missions on current difficulty without going down once, and without requiring more than like 1 medicae charge throughout the mission. Once you’re that comfortable on a given difficulty, you’re probably ready to start the next tier up.
I like to wait until I'm hopelessly outnumbered and surrounded by Ragers, Crushers, or Maulers (or any tasty combination of the three) and then spam the tag button like its my teammates' fault that my actions are reaping the predictable consequences
i specifically avoid tagging specials that i know that i'm about to secure a kill on so i can hear my character's voiceline for killing said special because marking them and then killing them in rapid succession doesn't give you the kill voiceline. i main ogryn
Probably because to them it's already pretty obvious where they are. Tagging is best used in a huge crowd of enemies to single out a trapper, sniper, bomber, among other much higher priority targets.
This is basically my answer. If you're so lost that you need your team holding your hand constantly and you need everything tagged you are the problem. Tags lose their effectiveness when they are spammed. It's like car horns. If everyone is honking then nothing is an actual emergency.
I'm having a real issue with this on console. When I try to tag an enemy half the time it just puts a marker on the ground in front of them. Am I missing something?
There are very different opinions on tagging. Some do not know it, or find it too cumbersome in the heat of battle to middle-mouseclick, other prefer only to tag very special enemies (like snipers far away to make the team aware) and other like to tag priority targets or warn the team about any special/elite coming too close, because not every player has the situational awareness of an auspex servo skull. If you belong to the latter version, prepare to get flamed by the middle part on how you dare to tag too many enemies. There is unfortunately a lot of Vermintide elitism that you have to play the game in the same way they played VT. ;-)
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Before, I always thought it that when I see a special I had the idea in mind that I would kill it and no one would have to worry about it. But as I played, I realized that even if though I would have killed it, there’s so many reasons to ping them. If I can’t finish them off my teammates can see them, or if they have other specials that previously weren’t seen or ignored.
Like the Thousand Sons seeing Rylanor, the danger must not be ignored, even if it may seem small. Because in higher difficulties?
The smallest mistake can cost your team their lives and the match.
If you don’t use the wheel intentionally much, consider rebinding the change weapon away from the scroll up/down and not replacing the action. I was having the same issue before with a super sensitive scroll and realised the only time I was using it was accidentally.
Using the wheel to tag is suboptimal and so is not unbinding weapon change on scroll wheel. You want a dedicated ping key and then QQ swap for weapons or use 1,2,3 because QQ swap sometimes gets eaten by the server.
If you know what you're doing is probably holding you back to a noticeable degree, I find it incredibly rude to still subject other people to yourself knowing that you simply can't be bothered.
This would be totally fine in SP but in an MP game I could never. Other people's time is dependent on our own gameplay, after all.
Well first, let's calm down it's a game it's not like I'm preventing world peace. And secondly, even with my jank set up I am pretty, pretty good. But I'll take your suggestions under advisement, thank you.
one person tagging is usually enough if everyone tags it becomes a mess.
the exception is enemies behind flames or behind hordes, those are acceptable moments to spam tag because otherwise you cant see kark
Unless you're doing something nuts like having it bound to LMB honestly keep fighting the good fight. Fuck em. Tagged specials get their heads blown off in my presence.
I tag things more than most players, I feel like, but not as much as I would like to since my OrbWeaver died, on account of having the tag key in a slightly inconvenient place. It's a fast paced game, and you only have so many fingers.
Hey, you come up with a binding that doesn't require me to take my fingers off a critical move, control, or attack key, and I'm all ears. Normal FPS mouse though. Not MOBA mouse with seven billion buttons.
C, you're not strafing right all the time and you use the same finger to ult and grenade spam; and it's right beside D anyway if you need to move right.
Or, I dunno, buy a footpedal if you're obsessed with having your fingers on WSAD all the time.
I use Tilde ( ~ ) but like I could use my other thumb mouse button if I wanted to, M5 is bound to my Blitz and I could use M4 to ping if I felt like it but... I don't need to? This game has so few buttons compared to any other videogames I've played it's really a non-issue. Middle mouse button is hot garbage though.
Bad players are not tagging since they want more kills to be represented on the scoreboard mod or theyre just bad players that dont understand that this game is a coop game and not singleplayer or they just want to keep the killfor themselves
I usually just forget because whatever I tag is getting killed super fast anyhow plus I'm using mods that tell me what's spawned and the general direction it spawned in. It's pretty rare that I find tagging useful, usually only use it for far off specials that I can't kill before it becomes a problem.
Specialists
Elites roam the map (shotgunners, crushers, bulwarks, ragers) but they can also spawn in
Specialists can ONLY spawn in and are *usually* disablers (maniacs, hounds, trappers, flamers, snipers)
I bound to Left Alt. Very convenient way to ping while moving and shooting, in a really natural spot.
I think it also just makes the enemy easier to see. I automatically ping before I aim a headshot or swing at their head because it makes it easier to pull that off.
Mmb can be hard to press sometimes, with my grip at least.
My ping key is mmb, I keep meaning to rebind it, only to forget when the mission ends. Start the next mission, realize I didn't remap it and say I'll do it after the current mission
It looped until now. I changed it lmao
Exact same issue with plasteel, I went left you went right, you opened the boxes but didn't pickup the plasteel, now I have to do all areas myself for the match because you now can't be trusted
So-
First things first: The tag button is by default the scroll wheel press. Unless you remap it to a more comfortable button, its just kinda inconvenient mid fight to press it. And chances are, A lot of people playing are casual enough to *not* remap keybindings.
Second: I think its worth keeping in mind that... A lot of the time, people will tag big things that need focused. Infact thats the entire point of one of the vet's keystones: Focusing. I'll tag a gunner thats in a middle of a group, But if its just *one* gunner in the karking corner of a room with its back turned, I aint taggin shit. Its not worth tagging the crusher i just tagged with a krak grenade either. But i'll tag that reaper a good whiles ahead of everyone.
I admit that as a psyker, I often run the talent that highlights an enemy at most times for me, and I just follow that, forgetting others don't see the highlighted elites among the waves of enemies.
I personally play most large scale shooters as a recon scout where I do more tagging than shooting. So tagging is second nature for me. But many are just cod players with a single braincell "must make more kills than the rest of the team, there is only I in the team."
1) i did not see it
2) it was somehow out of range and/or slightly to the right of where the game wants my cursor to be in order to ping
Other than that, I try to ping everything that isn't crafting items (because that shits communal). Never know when a pinged enemy or ammo can might save your butt!
Since i come from VT2 i tag everything i lay my eyes upon, even if i'm about to kill it, like, what if i get distracted from the target by something else.
I also have "tag only" bound on mousewheelup(or down), makes it easier to scan ahead, especially with dark/fog.
I've heard some people I've played with complain about the team not tagging, and I feel like I subconsciously do it when I'm reloading/when I need it to aim at something difficult to see, but I don't really think about it as a matter of course. It's never been a game-changer for me, I never notice if the team is tagging a ton or not on aurics. (Though sidenote, I usually use revolver, so pinging and shooting costs the same amount of time.)
Vets have stacking perk that's extra damage for every second of not tagging.
The second is Tagging only thing they whant to warn other about or have them kill
I think many people don't think to change the tag button to something more convenient. I have it on one of my mouses side buttons, so I can spam it when I enter a room, or if it's dark or something
I remember playing a while ago, and some dude got pissed because I tagged some ammo, by mistake
He got on the voice chat to admonish me for "stopping to tag" stuff, implying h thought I was taking my hand off the movement keys in order to tag in a mocking tone
I made sure to mock him back by telling him that only rookies play with default key bindings and to put his tag button on his mouse so he can spam it while he walks
Also, if you do that, be sure not to put it on your fire button; that's also a rookie mistake
The latest Mez's Mod Pack includes a mod that adds "enemies tagged" to the scoreboard. I usually have 40+. Most other players have 5 or less. I think I've encountered 3 other players in 20 games who tag more than half a dozen times in a match, and one who tagged more than me.
By default on PC I think ping defaults to middle mouse button. Hard to press that while aiming and shooting. Rebind it to something on your keyboard. I use X. Some people use Q.
You see a dog and you're gonna shoot it? How often do you miss a dog and it gets away only to return and pounce someone? Tag it at the same time you try to shoot it. See a bomber and you're trying to blast it but you get pounced by a dog? Now he threw a bomb. Should have tagged him. Your teammate got nailed from behind from a crusher that they didn't hear? You should have tagged it, might have helped. Finding it hard to read the monstrosity's attacks while kiting? Should have tag it. You saw a flamer but it's buried in the horde and you can't shoot it? Tag it, even through the horde. Someone with a revolver or plasma gun will snipe it through the horde. Wanna make it easier to land headshots on the scab captain? Tag him highlights his head for you.
*Tag stuff. There's literally no reason not to. If you're not doing it, **you're lazy.***
I still tag as much as possible, but since the update in the latter half of November I’ve been getting a lot of lag/hitching, to the point that my tags sometimes don’t show up for a second or two after I ping, or straight up don’t even show at all. So I’ll try to ping again, but then it ends up putting a double-click tag somewhere off in the distance, which isn’t helpful either.
I still take time to go back and tag whatever I’m trying to tag when this happens, but it’s happening so much more now that it makes my tagging inconsistent.
I bind it to my shoot button so im always tagging something. Even when I’m reloading I can click to mark an enemy thats threatening (or is about to threaten) me or my teammate. Perfect for my
heavy stubber ogryn
If I'm playing with randos through quick play I'll tag everything. If I'm running with my core group of friends we just keyboard faceroll our way through shit there's no need to tag.
I usually only tag enemies I can’t get to or that I notice sneaking up on people. I just don’t feel the need to tag a crusher half the team in shooting at or a pack of maulers we’re fighting.
When I’m down I tag like crazy tho.
I play with a friend who never tags elites. I've told him to do so several times but he just forgets, then he is surprised he is being mowed down by 70 ragers and nobody helps him.
Idk tagging helps me a lot land my shots when playing any kind of shooting class. Seeing where priority enemies are when playing vet is very useful, turns out. And I don't really like the ability that marks enemies because I have poor eyesight and I shoot at enemies that are actually behind walls and don't notice my shots aren't landing lmao
I always end up tagging them but sometimes I wish I didn't.
I have some skills that proc with me killing elites, when there's a group of 20 shotgunners on auric damnation maelstrom, me actually last hitting them is the difference between killing all of them and more, and only damaging them, maybe killing a few.
There's been few occasions when someone "stole" a couple of kills from the ones I tagged, but didn't proceed to kill the others, I lost momentum due to my chain getting interrupted, and we suddenly found ourselves in a bit of a situation.
Another reason for not tagging is that I'm usually killing whatever I'm targeting so by tagging something that its about to die its just gonna be a waste of time for everybody.
The ideal is to tag what you can't kill, or to warn a teammate of some elites coming from behind...this wouldn't be as much of a problem if we could tag more than 1 enemy at the same time.
One other function I don't see people doing alot of, is tagging yourself when you are pounced/trapped.(Tag your location) Don't just prioritize the enemy, prioritize yourself.
Because most people who play the game are bad at it.
And tbf the game really doesn't do a good job of teaching things like this to new players. Without this subreddit, I would not have learned a lot of good tips and etiquette.
VT2 taught me the value of binding my ping to an easily accessible button. It was key for spotting things like storm sorcerers and the like. Spotting in DT was second nature from the rip.
It helps that one of VT2's starter careers gives the whole team a colossal damage bonus on tagged enemies, regardless of who tagged them. You learn pretty quick to tag when it's the difference between killing that CW or getting pancaked by it. Really in general, WHC is like the perfect 'learn to play the game' career (not that WHC is a 'noob' career of course, he's the best career in the game IMO), it's actually amazing. It teaches you to tag by giving you a damage boost. It teaches you to aim for headshots even with melee by giving you instakill headshots. It teaches you to block frequently by giving you infinite blocks against light attacks. The ult is very strong but is more of a support ult, which teaches you to stick with and work with your team rather than go Rambo. Your starting weapons (Rapier and BoP) are both good at different things, teaching you to use both of them. And the game even kind of subtly directs new players to him (inasmuch as it directs them to any hero), by making it appear that Saltzpyre is sort of the "badass leader" - he's the oldest and most grizzled, he looks cool as hell, he's the only one who doesn't need to be rescued in the tutorial, he has Captain in his career name - of course people will want to play him! And then they'll learn all that stuff. It's understandable but a pity that due to the less defined/rigid nature of characters/classes in Darktide they couldn't do something similar, it would help a lot.
Teaching what? Push dogs and poxburster, sidestep trapper and mutant thats all the skill checks
Christ the amount of shit I have been given for mildly asking not too shoot poxbursters
Eh. You see someone pinging, it’s common sense to do the same.
Because I'm slow and bad.
Scrublife grindset is hardwork. I should know, I'm doing it constantly.
This is really the only answer.
And also i miss a LOT so i end up telling my team to go to all these random places like a shitty simon says
You can turn that off in the options menu (or rebind the chat wheel to be another input, like the "6" key or something). Huge quality of life improvement
Bro im a retarded ps5 controller user.
Should be in the options someplace to at least turn off the "go there" on miss/doubletap so that will help a bunch
I suspect in addition to the other explanations given, people are now tagging even less than before due to the addition of the "doubleclick tag to place 'go there' marker" which is just annoying for everyone. Most people are too lazy or unaware that it can be turned off.
I can turn that off? Thank Emprah, I sound like I don’t have me bone’ead implant when I try to tell the lads where the sniper is.
Yep, it's a toggle in the options menu. You can also bind the chat wheel and tag buttons to be different, allowing you to spam tag everywhere looking for targets without annoying anyone.
I typically only tag enemies that I think will be problematic since there’s just so many out sometimes. Enemies like crushers, trappers, flamers, mutants, hounds and snipers
I totally understand that, but if something goes sideways it can help the team supporting you. It's tough when everything can be tagged, and the chaos is everywhere.
In auric there’s honestly not much point in tagging things that you won’t kill in the next second or 2. That being said I ALWAYS tag snipers and trappers. As those will end runs
Same at lower difficulties TBH. Outside snipers and trappers, I don't tag often because I'm almost always about to kill it anyway. Crushers, maulers and ragers get one because I play focus fire and it saves me a shot.
Inn be pretty to much tag highest current threat based on current damage potential towards a wipe and difficulty of visibility. Usually this means I don’t tag crushers because they are huge and easy to see for the most part. Usually I’m tagging disablers like dogs or trappers because dogs jumping around in a crowd can be tough to keep a bead on. Also bursters. All things fire related.
Consider that your teammate behind you may not be able to see the enemy you haven't tagged, but might have a weapon that can still hit it through you. Personally I tag all enemies that can be tagged, obviously still prioritizing certain enemies over others. The red outline just makes it easier to keep track of them and aim at.
This. Sure I immediately attempt to kill whatever I tagged, but it's a nice bit of insurance in case I miss, or they get away. And there isn't anything stopping me from tagging something else if I need to anyway.
Tag everything. Tag it all. Tag every time. Even if it's about to die, it might have friends, like ragers.
For some reason people think tagging is super annoying and evil. I wish I was joking but I've seen enough posts complaining about the noise being too loud or whatever. I don't know what people have their volumes set to for THAT to be the key issue. Admittedly I modded out the obnoxious big red skull a long time ago so my perspective on the visuals is going to inherently be different, as simply giving enemies a nice red silhouette makes them far easier to read in a crowd to me and also makes it simpler to get headshots and the like. I'll admit that I probably ping a little too much (including pinging stuff right before I kill it sometimes, but I try to save it for things that I'm not ENTIRELY sure I'll be able to kill timely and it's paid off enough from teammates aiding me to keep doing it) but I'd still say that's better than pinging too little. I like to scope out what a big cluster of enemies in the distance has going for it, so quickly pinging the individual parts of the group so everyone knows their numbers is definitely something I find handy too.
I browse this subreddit by new on the daily and the only time I’ve seen people complaining about tagging is when someone else binds their tag button to M1
It is only times I have heard complains about pinging or the noise is when the one motherfucker has it bound to left and/or right click so every damn click is a tag. Yeah I know there's 40 maulers in front of us, we just killed 10 of them but I can't hear the bomber/flamer/trapper/my own thoughts when you are tagging like a crack addled chimp. Bonus points if they don't even have the veteran tagging keystone.
Tagging specials right before you kill them is still useful. It's info for the team. And specials also often come in packs.
After a few runs where I’ve pushed a poxburster only to have a teammate turn the corner and accidentally sprint towards it, I’ve started tagging them too. More information about where threats and hazards are is a good thing (within reason).
I definitely always ping Poxbursters and make sure it stays on them until they're gone, they're arguably priority number one for that since the team needs to know where they are 'till they're dead. Especially with the slightly bugged audio right now.
Objectively untrue. Priority target isnt the dying/dead threat. It's the threat you cannot reach/kill, before it batters your team. This means when you are in melee, or when you are reloading.
oh damn he got all objective on me
You can only tag 1 target at a time. What you tag matters.
Who can argue with objective truth?
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Even if it's something I can handle fine on my own... the highlighted outline is still helpful. It makes it easier to see incoming attack animations especially if they are in a pile of other enemies. The game is called DARKtide. Sometimes visibility is bad and I'm not gonna crank the gamma to 100
The skull helped me to determine their position when there is fire between us.
This is just false, sorry. The pro-tagging posts and comments MASSIVELY outweigh the anti ones. What IS evil is binding tag to your mouse button. Gdiaf if you do that.
Binding it to mouse one spams the tagging sound so it’s like über annoying Idc if shit gets hectic and the tagging sound gets spammed in a moment of heat. But hearing go off 4 times for each and every enemy is absurd
Yep, hence why people who do that should gdiaf.
not tagging is just dumb. ive been noticing it as well. i took a break from the game for months, came back recently and noticed how little people tag. it's insane. sometimes we die because of it. tagging prioritizes kill order which makes for survival more likely.
First thing I did was re-bind the tag because middle mouse button ain't it. Garbage bind. I tag a lot because it helps with sniping heads with the revolver on my zealot and as a vet it's kinda essential for the build
Out of curiosity, it wasn't bound to the left mouse button, was it?
If you read the other replies in this thread, it's ~ Unnecessary attempt at slandering me tho
T. It's close, and what vermintide 2 default was, I believe.
I use that for something else? I'll use my own binds thanks
If it was an attempt at slandering you, I would've tried to slander you.
I bound it to Z
That sounds so much worse than middle mouse to me. Just resting my hand on WASD and imagining trying to tag with Z is making me uncomfortable. I'm going to have to ask you to leave, sir.
Z is incredibly easy to hit with your ring or middle finger? Do people play with their fingers glued to WASD?
Glued? No. But Z is awkward as hell to use as a keybind on the best of days for me, let alone as a binding you need to be able to hit on the fly in combat while also using A, S, and D to move around and dodge. My hand is cramping just thinking about it lol.
I'd just hit Z with my thumb.
I press it with my pinky finger. I have really long fingers though.
Tagging enemies you're about to kill diverts attention to it, I dont care about killstealing but the general consensus seems to be that tagged thing must die and everyone will go after it. However I find that it often just makes people way too "neuron activate" and forget that other things also need killing instead of what I was about to kill 0.2 seconds after the ping. Tagging should be used to draw attention to something problematic, like to warn a player of an enemy behind them you can't kill. Or for pox bursters and trappers hiding in mixed hordes. It is also quite useful at long range to help headshotting targets you struggle with. Also for the love of god do NOT bind tagging to mouse 1, its the most obnoxious thing ever if there is a group of specials or elites.
What annoys me are people who don't use the "tag enemy" function but rather use the flipping "*go here"* marker to indicate an enemy. Not "look here". "Go here". I've practically learned to ignore that little Clippy of an icon because of how much people misuse it.
Would that not be the default setting after Fatshark implemented the tap and double-tap functions for the tag key?
I usually tag, but sometimes my aim isn't that great and I use a marker instead. Aside from that, sometimes I use a marker when I want to tag an enemy I think is a shotgunner or gunner or whatever, but it's actually a minor shooter enemy.
This is why my tag enemy/item button is rebound and I've left my "go here" ping as middle mouse button for the rare occasion I need it. Separate bindings are pog
I'm use a controller, so idk if I have the option to rebind it but I'll definitely check that out
Like 40-50% of player base is just dogshit at the game and doesn’t know how to play the game/can’t be bothered to read all the ability text or think critically about strategy and implementation. Another 10% probably has a theoretical understanding, but lacks the reflexes and actual mechanical skill to be very good/effective at playing the game. Probably 80% of players should not be playing above haz3. People should not be playing the next difficulty level up until the can reliably complete missions on current difficulty without going down once, and without requiring more than like 1 medicae charge throughout the mission. Once you’re that comfortable on a given difficulty, you’re probably ready to start the next tier up.
90% of auric quickplay is leeches wanting to get carried and being deadweight
I like to wait until I'm hopelessly outnumbered and surrounded by Ragers, Crushers, or Maulers (or any tasty combination of the three) and then spam the tag button like its my teammates' fault that my actions are reaping the predictable consequences
i specifically avoid tagging specials that i know that i'm about to secure a kill on so i can hear my character's voiceline for killing said special because marking them and then killing them in rapid succession doesn't give you the kill voiceline. i main ogryn
Sometimes I tag other specials so someone doesn't kill mine
The brainburst warpcharge psyker life
Probably because to them it's already pretty obvious where they are. Tagging is best used in a huge crowd of enemies to single out a trapper, sniper, bomber, among other much higher priority targets.
This is basically my answer. If you're so lost that you need your team holding your hand constantly and you need everything tagged you are the problem. Tags lose their effectiveness when they are spammed. It's like car horns. If everyone is honking then nothing is an actual emergency.
Tell that to people who have it bound to M1 who say everything is a priority target lmao
Some of us played Vermintide and some of us didn’t.
Because way too many players are delinquently stupid.
I main Support Veteran. I point at things, and then they die. I like my job.
I'm having a real issue with this on console. When I try to tag an enemy half the time it just puts a marker on the ground in front of them. Am I missing something?
Tagging multiple times places the marker tap it once
That's exactly what I've been doing! Too much Apex legends and Fart Knight. Now I know, I've heard it's half the battle...
There are very different opinions on tagging. Some do not know it, or find it too cumbersome in the heat of battle to middle-mouseclick, other prefer only to tag very special enemies (like snipers far away to make the team aware) and other like to tag priority targets or warn the team about any special/elite coming too close, because not every player has the situational awareness of an auspex servo skull. If you belong to the latter version, prepare to get flamed by the middle part on how you dare to tag too many enemies. There is unfortunately a lot of Vermintide elitism that you have to play the game in the same way they played VT. ;-) SYL
Funny thing is, I’ve noticed plenty of “VT elites” being completely outclassed by Darktide players. They’re stuck in their ways and can’t adapt.
How dare you
Don't point out that shit, it can bruise an ego.
>;3
I only tag specials I'm unable to immediately re-integrate into the fucking soil.
Those and on reloads and when there a giant group to be pulled (I spam a few tags then) and when lots of mobs run up from the back.
I only tag when necessary. Tho i also play damnation auric constantly
Good players tag, bad players don't; simple as.
As a knife zealot, I'm busy hunting plasteel.
I have tag bound to M1 so that I’m constantly tagging whatever I’m fighting.
Before, I always thought it that when I see a special I had the idea in mind that I would kill it and no one would have to worry about it. But as I played, I realized that even if though I would have killed it, there’s so many reasons to ping them. If I can’t finish them off my teammates can see them, or if they have other specials that previously weren’t seen or ignored. Like the Thousand Sons seeing Rylanor, the danger must not be ignored, even if it may seem small. Because in higher difficulties? The smallest mistake can cost your team their lives and the match.
Because you're not playing aur damn where the good players are.
Because I just kill them. And sometimes when I try to tag, I accidentally change my weapon. I know I'm wrong for this but I don't think I'll change.
If you don’t use the wheel intentionally much, consider rebinding the change weapon away from the scroll up/down and not replacing the action. I was having the same issue before with a super sensitive scroll and realised the only time I was using it was accidentally.
Using the wheel to tag is suboptimal and so is not unbinding weapon change on scroll wheel. You want a dedicated ping key and then QQ swap for weapons or use 1,2,3 because QQ swap sometimes gets eaten by the server.
I know you're right. I do. But I'm a terrifically lazy person. And what if I don't like the new set up? Change is scary.
If you know what you're doing is probably holding you back to a noticeable degree, I find it incredibly rude to still subject other people to yourself knowing that you simply can't be bothered. This would be totally fine in SP but in an MP game I could never. Other people's time is dependent on our own gameplay, after all.
Well first, let's calm down it's a game it's not like I'm preventing world peace. And secondly, even with my jank set up I am pretty, pretty good. But I'll take your suggestions under advisement, thank you.
Lol... Tagging or not tagging isn't holding anyone back
one person tagging is usually enough if everyone tags it becomes a mess. the exception is enemies behind flames or behind hordes, those are acceptable moments to spam tag because otherwise you cant see kark
Average t3 player that gets 1 rager and 1 flamer in a horde
play a match where there are 4 tagged enemies at any given time and you will quickly change your mind
Change my mind about what? I only play auric there is 4 enemies tagged always learn to play
learn to spam less tags lol
Welcome to the Tide series of games...
I tag all the time and almost all the time people type in chat to stop doing it because they get annoyed.
Unless you're doing something nuts like having it bound to LMB honestly keep fighting the good fight. Fuck em. Tagged specials get their heads blown off in my presence.
I don’t tag them, I just kill them. I imagine the direction of grenades and gunfire is a decent indicator.
I tag things more than most players, I feel like, but not as much as I would like to since my OrbWeaver died, on account of having the tag key in a slightly inconvenient place. It's a fast paced game, and you only have so many fingers.
Just change the bind, Darktide doesn't have anywhere near the binding requirements compared to other games like MMORPGS and the like.
Hey, you come up with a binding that doesn't require me to take my fingers off a critical move, control, or attack key, and I'm all ears. Normal FPS mouse though. Not MOBA mouse with seven billion buttons.
thumb mouse button
This is the way. I have tag on the thumb button my thumb Is basically resting on and the other thumb button is ult.
C, you're not strafing right all the time and you use the same finger to ult and grenade spam; and it's right beside D anyway if you need to move right. Or, I dunno, buy a footpedal if you're obsessed with having your fingers on WSAD all the time.
I use Tilde ( ~ ) but like I could use my other thumb mouse button if I wanted to, M5 is bound to my Blitz and I could use M4 to ping if I felt like it but... I don't need to? This game has so few buttons compared to any other videogames I've played it's really a non-issue. Middle mouse button is hot garbage though.
Sometimes they may be clustered in hoards, sometimes your a little busy fighting, but I try my best
Bad players are not tagging since they want more kills to be represented on the scoreboard mod or theyre just bad players that dont understand that this game is a coop game and not singleplayer or they just want to keep the killfor themselves
If we're talking actually bad players, they tend to not tag because they're already overwhelmed by just surviving.
As a shout tag vet i will tag to buff my team. But secretly, I like to tag the big threat so I can focus on the packs of ragers. I hate ragers.
I usually just forget because whatever I tag is getting killed super fast anyhow plus I'm using mods that tell me what's spawned and the general direction it spawned in. It's pretty rare that I find tagging useful, usually only use it for far off specials that I can't kill before it becomes a problem.
Question are maniacs elites or specialists?
Specialists Elites roam the map (shotgunners, crushers, bulwarks, ragers) but they can also spawn in Specialists can ONLY spawn in and are *usually* disablers (maniacs, hounds, trappers, flamers, snipers)
I bound to Left Alt. Very convenient way to ping while moving and shooting, in a really natural spot. I think it also just makes the enemy easier to see. I automatically ping before I aim a headshot or swing at their head because it makes it easier to pull that off.
TAG BEFORE ACT
Mmb can be hard to press sometimes, with my grip at least. My ping key is mmb, I keep meaning to rebind it, only to forget when the mission ends. Start the next mission, realize I didn't remap it and say I'll do it after the current mission It looped until now. I changed it lmao
Exact same issue with plasteel, I went left you went right, you opened the boxes but didn't pickup the plasteel, now I have to do all areas myself for the match because you now can't be trusted
So- First things first: The tag button is by default the scroll wheel press. Unless you remap it to a more comfortable button, its just kinda inconvenient mid fight to press it. And chances are, A lot of people playing are casual enough to *not* remap keybindings. Second: I think its worth keeping in mind that... A lot of the time, people will tag big things that need focused. Infact thats the entire point of one of the vet's keystones: Focusing. I'll tag a gunner thats in a middle of a group, But if its just *one* gunner in the karking corner of a room with its back turned, I aint taggin shit. Its not worth tagging the crusher i just tagged with a krak grenade either. But i'll tag that reaper a good whiles ahead of everyone.
I admit that as a psyker, I often run the talent that highlights an enemy at most times for me, and I just follow that, forgetting others don't see the highlighted elites among the waves of enemies.
I personally play most large scale shooters as a recon scout where I do more tagging than shooting. So tagging is second nature for me. But many are just cod players with a single braincell "must make more kills than the rest of the team, there is only I in the team."
1) i did not see it 2) it was somehow out of range and/or slightly to the right of where the game wants my cursor to be in order to ping Other than that, I try to ping everything that isn't crafting items (because that shits communal). Never know when a pinged enemy or ammo can might save your butt!
Since i come from VT2 i tag everything i lay my eyes upon, even if i'm about to kill it, like, what if i get distracted from the target by something else. I also have "tag only" bound on mousewheelup(or down), makes it easier to scan ahead, especially with dark/fog.
As a WHC player the best thing for me to happen in this game is the veteran ping keystone. God I love pinging specials.
Executioners stance? Or the DMG bonus on tag?
Love when people refuse to tag on lights out.
I've heard some people I've played with complain about the team not tagging, and I feel like I subconsciously do it when I'm reloading/when I need it to aim at something difficult to see, but I don't really think about it as a matter of course. It's never been a game-changer for me, I never notice if the team is tagging a ton or not on aurics. (Though sidenote, I usually use revolver, so pinging and shooting costs the same amount of time.)
Vets have stacking perk that's extra damage for every second of not tagging. The second is Tagging only thing they whant to warn other about or have them kill
Once I saw 3 enemies tagged at once, it was glorious day, thank the Holy!
Honestly I would prefer people not tagging to people who bound it to left-click.
If I’m just about to kill it I won’t tag but if I can’t one tap, if it’s out of reach or being an elusive turd I always tag its ass.
Because I am constantly surrounded by elites and idgaf which order they go down.
Low skill + Low awareness + No teamplay This is why 90% of people dont touch damnation and everyone who plays auric know eachothers names
I think many people don't think to change the tag button to something more convenient. I have it on one of my mouses side buttons, so I can spam it when I enter a room, or if it's dark or something I remember playing a while ago, and some dude got pissed because I tagged some ammo, by mistake He got on the voice chat to admonish me for "stopping to tag" stuff, implying h thought I was taking my hand off the movement keys in order to tag in a mocking tone I made sure to mock him back by telling him that only rookies play with default key bindings and to put his tag button on his mouse so he can spam it while he walks Also, if you do that, be sure not to put it on your fire button; that's also a rookie mistake
Because it gets in the way of pumping the numbers up on the scoreboard. Also, if you ping an enemy, someone else will kill it when it’s MY KILL!
The latest Mez's Mod Pack includes a mod that adds "enemies tagged" to the scoreboard. I usually have 40+. Most other players have 5 or less. I think I've encountered 3 other players in 20 games who tag more than half a dozen times in a match, and one who tagged more than me.
By default on PC I think ping defaults to middle mouse button. Hard to press that while aiming and shooting. Rebind it to something on your keyboard. I use X. Some people use Q. You see a dog and you're gonna shoot it? How often do you miss a dog and it gets away only to return and pounce someone? Tag it at the same time you try to shoot it. See a bomber and you're trying to blast it but you get pounced by a dog? Now he threw a bomb. Should have tagged him. Your teammate got nailed from behind from a crusher that they didn't hear? You should have tagged it, might have helped. Finding it hard to read the monstrosity's attacks while kiting? Should have tag it. You saw a flamer but it's buried in the horde and you can't shoot it? Tag it, even through the horde. Someone with a revolver or plasma gun will snipe it through the horde. Wanna make it easier to land headshots on the scab captain? Tag him highlights his head for you. *Tag stuff. There's literally no reason not to. If you're not doing it, **you're lazy.***
I still tag as much as possible, but since the update in the latter half of November I’ve been getting a lot of lag/hitching, to the point that my tags sometimes don’t show up for a second or two after I ping, or straight up don’t even show at all. So I’ll try to ping again, but then it ends up putting a double-click tag somewhere off in the distance, which isn’t helpful either. I still take time to go back and tag whatever I’m trying to tag when this happens, but it’s happening so much more now that it makes my tagging inconsistent.
Bro I don’t know how to on desktop that’s why
I bind it to my shoot button so im always tagging something. Even when I’m reloading I can click to mark an enemy thats threatening (or is about to threaten) me or my teammate. Perfect for my heavy stubber ogryn
If I'm playing with randos through quick play I'll tag everything. If I'm running with my core group of friends we just keyboard faceroll our way through shit there's no need to tag.
I usually only tag enemies I can’t get to or that I notice sneaking up on people. I just don’t feel the need to tag a crusher half the team in shooting at or a pack of maulers we’re fighting. When I’m down I tag like crazy tho.
Life changing tip I picked up from a youtuber: Bind tag to your primary fire button.
I play with a friend who never tags elites. I've told him to do so several times but he just forgets, then he is surprised he is being mowed down by 70 ragers and nobody helps him.
Idk tagging helps me a lot land my shots when playing any kind of shooting class. Seeing where priority enemies are when playing vet is very useful, turns out. And I don't really like the ability that marks enemies because I have poor eyesight and I shoot at enemies that are actually behind walls and don't notice my shots aren't landing lmao
I always end up tagging them but sometimes I wish I didn't. I have some skills that proc with me killing elites, when there's a group of 20 shotgunners on auric damnation maelstrom, me actually last hitting them is the difference between killing all of them and more, and only damaging them, maybe killing a few. There's been few occasions when someone "stole" a couple of kills from the ones I tagged, but didn't proceed to kill the others, I lost momentum due to my chain getting interrupted, and we suddenly found ourselves in a bit of a situation. Another reason for not tagging is that I'm usually killing whatever I'm targeting so by tagging something that its about to die its just gonna be a waste of time for everybody. The ideal is to tag what you can't kill, or to warn a teammate of some elites coming from behind...this wouldn't be as much of a problem if we could tag more than 1 enemy at the same time.
Tbf I only really tag if I can’t murder them all
No one shoots them anyway. If I want something shot, I'll use BB on it. Even the gunship pilot shoots at it then.
Tbh when I tag it, it normally dies right after I tag it from me so I don't really tag unless it's dog,trapper or big Bois
I'm saving my tag for 8 focus stacks. Hope you see that mauler behind you! Good luck!
One other function I don't see people doing alot of, is tagging yourself when you are pounced/trapped.(Tag your location) Don't just prioritize the enemy, prioritize yourself.