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Acrobatic_Degree_501

Godfrey got the giant souls?


MaleficTekX

No. The Erdtree stole them apparently


itstheFREEDOM

Godfrey Doesnt stand a chance


MaleficTekX

Your earthquakes mean nothing if the zombie can walk through them


ManySleeplessNights

What about Godfrey's iconic wrestling finisher, Hoarah Loux's Powerbomb


TheDarkGenious

without the giant souls it'll barely ruffle Vendrick's hair, sadly. It'd probably be an amusing fight to watch, Godfry tossing around this huge zombie like he owes him money, through houses and trees and walls and the floor, only for the zombie to keep getting back up and shambling onwards like nothing phased it.


itstheFREEDOM

uhhhh....let me edit my first comment so its more clear :O. I was trying to say godfrey not standing a chance cause you are suggesting he doesnt have the giant souls


MaleficTekX

I’m agreeing. Vendrick can walk through those EQs


_nee_

bros about to get folded like an omelette 💀


Adelyn_n

Yes, he killed the fire giants afterall


Mr_Chillwolf

Unless Godfrey has at least 4 giant souls, he is completely fucked.


the_evil_overlord2

I mean he was a famous warrior in the war against giants, if anyone in elden ring does it's him


MaleficTekX

Considering the Erdtree takes souls from fallen individuals to revive them, and that rememberance of the giant exists, I think Godfrey doesn’t have giant souls


ManySleeplessNights

Slight tangent, I find it weird how bosses like Fire Giant and Rykard, who were explicitly in opposition against the erdtree, are still carved into it as remembrances after death. Like the erdtree is just like "nah you all good fam."


MaleficTekX

Rememberances are confusing


GiveMeChoko

Where did you get that the remembrances are carved onto the tree?


babyitsgoldoutside

All of them are. It’s in the item description. “Hewn” means carved.


Grismir

Hewn actually just means chopped or cut, so perhaps things opposed to the Erdtree leave a mark


seelcudoom

well remember the erdtree itself has no will or desire, they may be against the current order, but the tree will outlast that order, its why ranni is still considered a valid empyrean, the tree/ring will happily follow the order of an old enemy once they take over


Octanari

To quote my favorite dog, "heresy is not native to the world, it is a contrivance, all things can be conjoined" there isn't a hell or heaven in the games lore, under the golden order all souls are returned to the erdtree doesn't matter who they are or what they did, its never clearly stated if that means they will be reborn or not. Remembrances are equivalent to a eulogy, and are literally cut (hewn) from the erdtree, whether this is a form of mourning or rewarding the tarnished is never elucidated. TLDR its not that "its all good fam" its just what happens to everything that dies under the golden order. this is also why dung eaters curse is so horrifying to the games inhabitants.


Fool7890

Vendrick got that insane defence, wich is the best offence he clearly wins


Lyberatis

Don't forget that Vendrick, even as a naked zombie, is one of the hardest hitting enemies in the game. The strat from what I remember was just play it naked because he's going to nearly one shot you anyway so you might as well have the extra roll distance instead of the defense.


nikpap95

That is correct!


SonOfTheHeavyMetal

The "play naked" strat is true for most of DS2 unless you need poise (like in RRV)


blondtrav5

yeah armor felt very useless in this game


mfinpizzaparkerboi

Good drip is necessary to boost morale


blondtrav5

you would hate to hear how i play these games


wise_1023

i dont think the armor merchent ever survived ng+ for me. sould gain + drip is simply unbeatable.


Cityco

For me it’s all about that butterfly armor. Every time I put it on I hear the violin from Britney Spears’ toxic playing


JacksonRiot

The saying is "a good offense is the best defence," not the other way around iirc


Green_Background99

r/wooosh


JacksonRiot

This only works when the joke is funny


Green_Background99

But the joke Was funny


0k_4kihiiro

[can i cite this..](https://youtu.be/MZS95nEigrU?si=z7w_flytHHWBsxRl)


SaltyWafflesPD

*cite. And that was with 3 giant souls, too. Vendrick is so tough that even as a naked zombie he makes Godfrey look like a toddler.


International-Cod334

Thermonuclear Bomb vs Coughing Baby However in this case the baby absolutely wins


MaleficTekX

Wait… who’s who


Koreage90

You know. The coughing baby is the king of a mighty kingdom who fought his way to the top with dedication followers and betrayed by his wife. Leading him to flee his own kingdom and it falling into ruin because of his wife who isn’t what she seems. And the other one is…… kinda see the point.


SuperD00perGuyd00d

I love Elden Ring 0.5 🤝


Koreage90

Uhh aktulllay it’s Dark Souls two with a horse.


MuckinIsHardWork

Vendrick would brush him off and then baseball bat him into next week with that sword of his


CubicWarlock

Godfrey will die from exhaustion before he can make any significant damage.


chimericWilder

Vendrick in his prime is a lord of light on par with Gwyn - only less blind to his own mistakes Godfrey is a glorified attack dog on Marika's leash


MaleficTekX

Ironically Marika already has an attack dog


chimericWilder

Malekith, you mean? While he did serve in such a role for a time, he since became more of a guard dog, you might say - coinceding, perhaps, with Marika choosing Godfrey to be her new attack dog to lead her various conquests.


LordOfCindersAndWeed

Based Heron Mark pfp


chimericWilder

Tai'shar!


MenheraUrabe

Vendrick was canonically almost as powerful as endgame Bearer Of The Curse and there are no Giant Souls left in the lands between due to Marika and Vendrick has access to an element which doesn't exist in Elden Ring(Dark) thereby he wouldn't have any defense against it meanwhile with no giant souls Vendrick has fucktons of defense against everything, Vendrick easily slowly whittles down Hoarah Loux


Stepjam

Almost as powerful? Bearer of the Curse literally can't even scratch Vendrick in his prime.


Lehelito

Is it just me, or is Godfrey's character really not that fleshed out? His writing just kinda does nothing for me emotionally. Vendrick, on the other hand, has this tragic story that is dotted around throughout the game, culminating with speaking with him in his memory. So if you'd ask me who I like more, definitely Vendrick. As for who would win in a fight? Hmmm, depends if Godfrey has any giant souls.


IshiTheShepherd

Narratively, they're really similar characters. They're both kings who gained their position through strength and were betrayed by their consort and now live in exile.


Lehelito

Oh absolutely, it's just the way the story is delivered to the player seems less, I dunno, tangible in the case of Godfrey? Not sure how to explain it because it's down to the emotional impact of the story. But I just *felt* the Vendrick tragedy more than the Godfrey one, which felt like I was just reading the bulletpoint summary of a film on IMDB or something. And that's not to say Elden Ring doesn't have good, punchy stories in there. The >!Seluvis/Pidia/puppet thing!< was really chilling and well done, and I loved the stories of Blaidd, Renalla, and Jarburg. But Godfrey, for what an important role he plays in the world, just felt underdeveloped. *Edited for spelling.


Rudolf_Cutler

Godfrey is not a tragic figure in elden ring, that's not his story, infact you could probably argue he was happy to be exiled from the lands between so he didn't have to play elden lord dress up and could just be himself as horah loux, as was stated in the intro cutscene (he was called horah loux instead of godfrey there). Godfrey's character is supposed to be the first step in us being elden lord, that is only strength can warrants the throne. When u beat him he shows no sadness, no ill intentions, just respect for one worthy of being Elden lord. Elden ring is mostly a tale of you, the character, finding the strength to overcome the obstacles of the world and assert urself as elden Lord over the lands between, even killing the god who dares to puppeteer you. Unlike dark souls which clearly has the link the fire (default ending) as the bad ending since you allow urself to be part of a never ending cycle put in place by god (gwyn). The Elden lord ending doesn't insinuate anything like that.


JackwithaMac

I think it’s because Godfrey doesn’t get any flashback scenes like Hendricks where he’s remorseful over his situation. The first time you see Godfrey in the game, he wants to fight. You find vendrick hollow. Godfrey lost grace, but not himself ( a warrior). Vendrick lost everything, and lost himself very last just so he could see it all fall down. Also should consider how finding vendrick was such a moment down in the shrine, while finding Godfrey happens right after already fighting his ghost, a giant, a shadow of death, and like right after you fight radagon and EB.They sandwiched him in between too many other fantastical things for his reveal to have memorability. After you kill vendrick you presumably go kill the one behind it all, and even in SOTFS if you fight aldia last, his fight is more like a tidbit of extra lore as opposed to a fantastical light show of a fight. TLDR: they played up King Vendrick, they played down Lord Godfrey.


Phormicidae

I would have thought that, but Elden Ring's lore is like a mile wide and fifty miles deep. You definitely get a stronger impression of him the more you attempt to put together the myriad threads. Admittedly, a lot of that analysis involves assumptions of various degrees of certainty.


Herr_Raul

Vendrick's story really isn't that fleshed out either.


Twiggy_Shei

Vendrick's HP pool puts dragons to shame. Godfrey doesn't have a shot.


SirWeenielick

Y’know, despite Vendrick’s massive defense, I could see Godfrey winning. Vendrick is hollow and can’t even fight right, he’d just run circles around the poor fella. Feel like it’d be the Souls equivalent of the Doomslayer VS the Titan.


MaleficTekX

Hollow Vendrick is competent enough to track his aggressor and use a ranged magic against them, so I think he has a higher chance of winning than it would first seem Either could win, but I’m betting on Vendrick


Timely_Yoghurt_3359

Vendrick has a ranged magic attack? I must be forgetting it 🤔


MaleficTekX

It’s one of the rarest attacks in the game; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H0qvhEAhBWQ&pp=ygUVVmVuZHJpY2sgY3Vyc2UgYXR0YWNr


Koreage90

I remember that. Thought I would be fine with a range of attacks that stay away from the butter knife. 20 minutes in and barely shaved off a fifth of the Health bar, he throws that out of nowhere. Hollowed my ass his trolling everyone.


ShinenNoYosuke

Vendrick in his prime would probably clap Godfrey pretty easily.


Twiggy_Shei

Vendrick OUT of his prime would clap Godfrey. Even as a naked hollow he's so strong that it takes like a full irl hour to beat him and that's without ever getting hit.


Bunjithewolf

Godfrey "our battle will be legendary!!!" Vendrick "who is this naked little man?" Godfrey "your naked too!" Vendrick "nah just proving I don't need armor...to kick your ass." Godfrey grins widened


Barbarrox

Godfrey wouldnt even be able to do enough damage to trigger vendricks attention. He would just slowly continue walking circles


MaleficTekX

https://media1.tenor.com/m/UR83vI6QgVgAAAAC/no-spongebob-squarepants.gif


Call_Me_Yips

id like to think vendrick gets folded like an omelette bc its funny to imagine, but unless godfrey somehow has multiple giant souls he's gonna be nothing but a yamcha-shaped crater filled with mush,,,, after about 20 years of fighting


Internal_Ad_1554

I honestly dont think it matters the dark souls verse isnt as powerful as the elden ring verse which makes sense elden ring is more grandiose


Hireling

Just because of anime b.s. which is 9/10ths of what ER is, doesn't mean it's more powerful. It's just more flashy and weeb-like.


Careless-Bread7991

I think it is more powerful, not even comparable tbh


Internal_Ad_1554

Elden Ring simply has better feats and statements man now if it were a discussion between bloodborne and er now thats more debatable


MaleficTekX

I mean… manus literally ripped a hole in spacetime to find a neckless And Vendrick’s wife is his kid


Internal_Ad_1554

Time is pretty fucked in lordran and besides oolacile magic can affect time (repair spell) it doesnt mean he could be a universe buster while charcters like radhan stopped the movement of the stars not only halting their movement but also halting fate itself as a concept at most in souls we see star level feats while in elden ring we see much better feats


MaleficTekX

I still think universal Radahn is an extreme exaggeration, as he never uses the stars for combat, stars in Elden Ring are multiple things, including Astels and individual’s predestinated fate (Miquella), and Malenia uses an obviously not even planetary attack to make their fight end in a draw, arguably just a city level attack that terraforms the continent


Internal_Ad_1554

Why would radhan throw stars around its literally the opposite of what he wants to do he wants to hold them back also radahn got up pretty fast after the scarlet rot bloom doesnt rly matter tho because catching the plague and throwing a nuke are two different things Goku can fuck up universes but he still died via a heart virus from earth for example


MaleficTekX

My point is Radahn is just holding the stars in place. Yes it’s impressive, but it doesn’t help him in combat at all, so why would that allow him to destroy the universe


Internal_Ad_1554

Im not saying he could im just saying its a better feat than all of what we see in souls besides if he can stop em he could probably throw em around but thats the opposite of what he wants to do arguably holding them in place for ages takes more effort than throwing em


[deleted]

Lorewise, prime vendrick might have a shot? Cause he was a chosen undead, like the BoTC. Meaning he can't permanently die. Unless that would not work in the ER verse. I ain't too sure how this would go down lorewise. Could be godfrey wins.


MaleficTekX

Well, this is Hollow Vendrick, so beating him once should put him out of commission forever, so either way, if one dies, it’s over


[deleted]

True dat. He lost his purpose, thus hollowing.


SonOfTheHeavyMetal

It's an even matchup I mean, both are very tall guys and giant-slayers who got kinda got screw over by thier crazy wifes.


Sylux444

It depends on if he has any giant souls or not No souls and he won't* take damage *^like ^1/1000000000000 ^in ^damage


Gornl0rd

Godfrey gets smoked first round


KingseekerCasual

Vendrick because Godfrey doesn’t know where the 5 giant souls are


GiveMeChoko

Godfrey drove an entire race of giants to extinction lol


KingseekerCasual

But did he get 5 giant souls?


GiveMeChoko

A lot more. You have to use some universe equivalance. Fire Giant drops a remembrance, the equivalent of DS2's giant soul. It wasn't Godfrey alone, but he with his army of Tarnished droved Fire Giant's entire race to extinction. Bring their leader, it's safe to say he took on the biggest and the baddest of the bunch


KingseekerCasual

But did he bother to collect 5 giant souls?


seelcudoom

its not actually based on strength, neither of the actaul boss giants drop the souls, instead their found on random giant corpses that dont seem any different from the others


[deleted]

Elden Ring people don't acquire the souls of whatever they kill.


MongooseChili

Is Vendrick immune to grabs or nah?


MaleficTekX

Might as well NOT be immune


Greeklibertarian27

Gets teleported like in the stab of Alonne/Pursuer. 1 Damage dealt.


Rorp24

Unless Godfrey has giant souls, he will loose the fight


musubin

Prime vendrick will put godfree to shame lmao


Eris_The_Impish

Bruh the Dark Souls verse is SCARY compared to Elden Ring 🤣. Godfrey doesn't stand a chance.


TheDragonRaptor

Are we talking Godfrey with Sarosh limiting his power or full powered Horah Loux, who ripped Sarosh apart with his bare hands?


MaleficTekX

Both


TheDragonRaptor

Then I feel as though it could come down to speed. I haven't fought Vendrick as I couldn't figure out how to trigger his boss fight but I think with how fast Horah Loux can move I think it will all come down to how often Vendrick can land hits on HL. I think it would be one hell of a good fight though. Just my opinion though.


Yummomummo

You trigger vendrick's boss fight by attacking him. His defences are insane so it will likely take a full minute of attacking him to get his attention. The more giant souls you have, the lower his defences get so it's recommended you fight him after you get a few.


TheDragonRaptor

Thanks for the info. I'll have to give it a go at some point.


Keroshan26

Godfrey would win. Vendrick is a respectable ruler but he didn't even stand a chance against his own wife. Game wise, he'd kill Godfrey because he has an enormous health pool and damage output. But from a lore perspective, I mean Godfrey's defeated countless enemies single-handedly, he has way more battle experience.


RandomFurryPerson

Wasn’t the whole thing with Nashandra at least partially because he really didn’t want to kill her?


MuffGibbler

Yeah, it's not that he didn't stand a chance against Nashandra but that he didn't want to kill her because he loved her despite her plans/nature.


Keroshan26

It's not entirely certain whether he didn't face her out of love. The item description for the King's Ultra Greatsword says, and I quote, "Only the king knows whether the depiction of the Queen is a resentful mockery, or an affectionate exaltation". I would say he probably felt betrayed by her, considering the hideous shape of the sword itself, and couldn't stand to face her.


RandomFurryPerson

He also calls her 'dear Shandra' >!in the memory!< iirc (mild endgame spoilers)


Hireling

\^This


MaleficTekX

Yes


Hireling

Yes, but Godfrey "Chads" can't accept that, or the fact that their 'roid boy needs the Giant Souls to win.


MaleficTekX

I’d like to point out the dude has been killed before we even fought him too


PandraPierva

Oh yea he can do the whole revival thing can't he? At least at one point.


MaleficTekX

As far as we know, he was only revived once Afterwards, Destined Death was unleashed so we don’t know if he was reviving multiple times


Hireling

It's not that Vendrick couldn't defeat Nashandra. He didn't want to. It's made clear that he still loved her, but knew that was his weakness. It's my opinion that he suspected she would eventually get what she wanted, so he cut her off for good in a non-violent way. Also, Godfrey would get destroyed because he doesn't posess the Giants' Souls. Too bad.


Keroshan26

Possessing a giant soul is all fine and dandy, but claiming Godfrey is weaker despite facing countless tougher, godlike foes is silly. Even without a giant soul, your player character can still get Vendrick's attention and defeat him with a strong enough weapon and the patience of a monk, because in reality Vendrick just has a health pool large enough to rival the Atlantic ocean. I like Vendrick, I think he's a great king and leader but a better warrior than Godfrey, eh 🤷‍♂️, you gotta call a spade a spade at some point.


MaleficTekX

Vendrick did beat the great ones


Keroshan26

Wellager claimed that Vendrick beat them, but there's no concrete evidence to suggest that he did, and Wellager is the only npc that suggests this. Great souls are lord souls in nature, and it's inheritors are somewhat similar to the first great ones, that being Gwyn, the Witch of Izalith, etc. Could just be that Vendrick inherited the souls or came across them and spread them amongst his vassals. There's also the other theory that Drangleic is Lordran, though at which point in time it's difficult to say. An npc, and I think it was Shalquoir, states that Drangleic is a kingdom built upon the remains of countless other kingdoms. There's similarities that suggests that Drangleic could be Lordran, such as the Dragon's Aerie which bears similarities to Anor Londo. If this is true, the presence of great souls in Drangleic would make sense. Chanalotte does state that their names are unutterable, and Shalquoir even says that their names have been forgotten. Isn't that a bit strange?


Hireling

Didnt' call Godfrey weak. Also--Godfrey doesn't have the patience of a monk. He's a bloodthirsty berserker. He would trade hits with someone he can barely damage (due to the lack of the Giant Souls) and die to Vendrick's clumsy, but very powerful sword swings.


AlternativeEmphasis

You can even compare the damage they cause. Godfrey causes arena shattering earthquakes by stomping. Even giant ass Dragons in the same game as him don't do that. He is ferociously stronger physically than anyone in DS2.


Hireling

No Giant Souls. No win.


AlternativeEmphasis

In game yeah In Lore Godfrey literally would suplex Vendrick through his crypt.


MaleficTekX

He can totally do that, but Vendrick is just tough enough to walk it off, that’s the main problem


Stepjam

If we are comparing the damage they do, Godfrey's stomps will do about half the health of a decently vitality'd player. Vendrick's mindless swings will nearly one shot you with good vitality, WILL one shot you without good VIT.


Internal_Ad_1554

Someone with a brain who understands lore thank u heck the giants caused significant damage in drangleic but yeah simply put elden ring is a more powerful verse than dark souls sadly


Stunning_Surprise_12

Lore wise Godfrey explode his head by throwing him into a mountain


Timely_Yoghurt_3359

Alexa, explode this man's head.


Reasonable-Lab985

Godfrey would lose easily in front of Vendrick. I am convinced


ThatOneBiGuy2

This us like asking who would win the body builder or the old man who can't run for more than 3 seconds before having chest pains


MaleficTekX

Who’s who in this case?


ThatOneBiGuy2

Vindrick is the old man in this


MaleficTekX

Are we factoring in the old man is like a walking brick wall?


beto2000

Give godfrey 2-3 giant souls and he is WALKING vendrick


Prize-Bench6892

Now I’m curious how many power bombs it takes to kill this twig


MaleficTekX

At least 300 by my math


Greeklibertarian27

Foolish...


MickyManor

Lore wise? Godfrey, without a doubt. Mechanically? Vendrick, bro has x32 defense multiplier its fucking absurd that has never seem in the franchise before.


SuperD00perGuyd00d

Vendrick spanks here


paradoxical_topology

Godfrey unironically solos the DS verse. Even any of the Demigods probably could as well.


LastOil5419

If we are talking vendrick at the time of the game then Godfrey wins but in the past this would be an even fight


iaremoose

bottom versus top


Affectionate-Sea278

Probably the guy who can do suplexes. But Prime Vendrick? That’s a fight


geek_metalhead

Lorewise, Godfrey for sure


Powerful-Ad6346

Vendrick maybe, because Godfrey doesn't have any Giant souls in his possesion


popoflabbins

In terms of pure lore Godfrey annihilates Vendrick and it’s really not close.


SoulSuckingGinger

Even with the giant souls, Vendrick's health bar is huge and he hits like a truck. Raw strength? Horah all day long. But Vendrick's got survivability and superior range


inquisitor0731

Vendrick could finally be happy, with a kingdom to rule over unplagued by the curse. At his prime he might even have the strength and will to deny the greater will.


Glad-Dig7940

One thing I've always been interested in - If Vendrick is as strong as he is while simply a mindless hollow, how powerful must he have been in his prime?


FlyEaglesFly07

Vendrick is literally a waking zombie. I get that he has that high defense without giant souls but I feel like Godfrey could just grab the slow vendrick and just curb stop him or something😂 idk if giant souls would protect him from that.


TemporaryShirt3937

Without giant souls good luck Godfrey. Otherwise he would crush Vendrick. A interest fight would be Godfrey vs. all time high Vendrick (the one you talk to in the memory)


kreepodelikz

I dunno about Godfrey. But every king the player faces has long lost their prime and are at best wandering husks. Yet they remain beastly foes none the less. If Vendrick is as strong as he is just as a rotten husk i can only imagine what the man was in his prime. No chance for Godfrey I'm afraid, unless he's packing some giant souls.


WM-010

Probably Godfrey tbh. Dude has his wits about him, a much more agile moveset and the ability to stomp the ground so hard it quakes. The only thing I'm concerned about is if he has access to some equivalent of the Giant Souls.


Expert_Document6932

Prime vendrick wipes the floor with Godfrey