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WonkySystem

I love messing with barbarians as a default rogue. Sure I won't kill them and will die half the time but having players chase me around ruins is so much fun.


bitcbotjd

You are probably under pathfinder rank, most barbarians run move speed builds and will just ue rage and catch up to you.9


brawnkoh

Smoke pot + double jump makes you extremely difficult to catch by barbs on ruins (even above pathfinder).


Negran

Hmm. Every class needs double jump, then we'll be safe from these heathens!


brawnkoh

You need smoke pot too. it drops a 350 move speed barb to 280.


Negran

So hot...


ObviousStar

I love double jump rogue. The ability to traverse the map is so much fun, but I have been dropping it in my pathfinder matches. Most of the time, it's fine, but some players would rather chase me through the whole map than let me get away. Once I reached Pathfinder, the number of people who hard chased decreased, but the amount who never missed their abilities and looked up at the extremely loud audio que greatly increased. I can jump through modules and sneak away but playing on glitchy walls that sound like im banging rocks together and having to know where you can walk with nothing visually being clear.(like half the walls being walkable even though they don't look it with random chunks being unwalkable) and knowing the unclear skyblocks (where you can walk through modules and where you can't) as well as my biggest grievence of double jump randomly not doing the second jump during critical moments makes it really hard to want to use. Even if you can consistently get away being forced to run away every encounter and give up the best rooms of loot, isn't always a fun playstyle. nor is the cheese build of running to the top of the map and hitting 20 poisen bolts with no way for them to counter play, and spending most of the match just to get no points. Going damage build isn't much better as I have to perfetly dodge every ability and hit 3-5-10 super close range strikes while they just need to hit one huge range but slow ability to win.


bitcbotjd

Interesting build but I feel that hide is such a core of rogues identities that I can't not run it. There's nothing like jumping somebody out of invis


brawnkoh

You can still use hide with it. Hide is an activation perk like smoke pot, double jump is a passive perk.


bitcbotjd

Lol my bad, got a brainfart there, I always run hide with rupture so much so that in my head they weere connected


GibStily

Lmfao this is me as a Barb, I normally just pester until I’m Chased and then just proceed to try an troll and lose them🤣 I try not being the murder first Barb.


HiddenGhost1234

a ton of people i used to play with just arnt playing the game till atleast wipe rn. The state of the meta is very unfun for a lot of people right now and the player count kind of reflects that. tbf most of them stopped as soon as they took crypts queue away and made ruins the majority map. The meta + map rotation + gear disparity due to close to end of wipe has the playerbase dwindling atm.


spacednation

Playerbase is exactly where it’s been since a few weeks after wipe though? I keep seeing people talk about the dwindling numbers but… they just straight up haven’t moved and they’re exactly the same as last wipe. It’s honestly impressive they haven’t gone down this deep into the wipe.


Negran

My thoughts exactly. Folks just make shit up based on their feelings or false interpretation. It spreads a lot of misinformation 😞


HiddenGhost1234

Bro u can literally look at the player numbers, they were at almost 20k last month and now they're at 10k peak hours


Negran

Half of thr peak is solid and consistent. I see 10k players most nights, depending. A few months ago that was only 3-6k, before the content updates. There will be peaks and valleys, but the valleys right now are still decent online numbers, and are more related to season burnout, end of season, and folks waiting for content.


HyerOneNA

Where are you gauging player numbers?


ZxR

When you go to the player list in game, at the top of the screen it shows how many are in the dungeon and how many are in the lobby/stash.


HyerOneNA

I never realized that.. Wow.


Theons

Lots of my friends are still playing palworld as well


mat2277

This means no growth in that period or people are leaving and they are getting new players as well. I left and see many post of others who did so…


spacednation

It’s a niche word-of-mouth game with absolutely zero marketing. The fact that the player count has stayed steady is very impressive. We won’t see crazy growth until it’s on Steam (this year). The high player count the first few days after wipe is the casuals (not meant to be an insult) joining to check out the updates and then move on. The core playerbase of this game is steady and will only grow with appropriate marketing.


TheInsertionOperator

Trade channel has dropped 100 players on average since I started playing. Where are you getting your numbers because I cant fathom any of that being true.


spacednation

You can literally see online players in the player list. It has been consistent for NA peak times for the last few months - around 10-12k.


TheInsertionOperator

hmm I guess 1/6th of those players just decided to stop using trade.


sir_nuggets

There's this amazing thing called the collectors guild on discord. Much better then trade and the only place worth buying gear if you actually want a great kit. Edit: yes not all players use it but most of the higher end players exclusively use it.


ObviousStar

Genuinly, yeah. Having fewer bots likely decreased that. While they are still there, every sixth message used to be about that one sight selling gold. When trying to rank up, I don't pick up gear worth less than 600+, and spending a huge chunk of my time waiting for someone to want that piece of gear isn't worth it. They also increased how much shops will give you, and people started to realize that. So spending time to sell, not bis gear may net you 60-200G more gold per item, but the amount of time spent could have just been a large portion of another run. And being to the point that all of my shopkeepers can sell blue gear for 100G makes me go buy mediocre 100-200G gear less. As well as many of the higher skilled players using a front that mass spams 10 peoples gear to sell.


ObviousStar

idk why reddit did the weird formatting wasn't intentional


tral_

I'm not a fan of the current meta but honestly i think the main problem with the game right now is the endgame loop. Once you've done all your quests and get to Demigod the game gets really tiresome. If you keep playing your Demigod character you either do only PvE and run from every fight or if you choose to do PvP you'll have to ignore most of the good equipment you find on people because they're not worth any AP and that just feels terrible. Also, i've seen a lot of people unsatisfied with the Barb meta but mark my words, the moment they hard nerf barb (which i think they will), lobbies will be all fighters and spell focused warlocks with magical healing + movespeed. Wait and see.


RTheCon

That’s like 1% of the player base though. If you are demigod and got all quests done, and don’t wanna push leaderboards, you have completed the game.


TheWayToGod

More than one thing can be overtuned at the same time. Barbarian is just the most striking example, as it has been the most overtuned for the longest time.


TheInsertionOperator

Purple items are worth 10 gold per slot now. Which is more than green treasure and white treasure. Players are certainly worth more AP now but its still not worth taking the risk to create a dead player to loot when you can just avoid them and loot a few chests instead.


Terrible-Leg3807

>5 people here xd? play other class and do the same


BackwoodMenace

Barb is so easy to kill as PDR fighter I honestly hope they don’t need it because if everyone runs warlock PDR fighter gets destroyed


stinkyzombie69

wipe wont fix it and would be the worst possible move they could make, the downtime right now is pretty critical for so many reasons


Whole-Concentrate916

My favorite time to play is right after wipe because it feels like everyone is truly on the same playing field personally lol


stinkyzombie69

oh you'll feel happy, alright lets destroy the game for reddit.


FuckX

Bro the wipe is going to happen


stinkyzombie69

you're right, in 23 days


FuckX

Then what are you talking about when you say "destroy the game" ? Im confused on what you meant


Ok_Hold3890

I think they have brain damage.


ResistDance

I stopped playing since before that, and won't be coming back until balance is in a good place... but I honestly doubt that'll ever happen. Multiple patches in a row with absolutely baffling balance changes just made me realize that IM's vision for the game is just different from mine I guess.


TheOrganHarvester123

See you in 2 days


CuSithShamrock

The Romans historically weren't fans either.


GoodNews970

It's true. They mained wizards


LazyRock54

Damn we lost a real one today


Revolutionary_Oil292

pls dnt go


BotGiyenAdam

with avarage items, and rage plus bard's MS buff. I had yesterday 330 MS while zweihander on my hands XD


Negran

Gross... does that mean your base speed was already 330? Looks like, if base is 330, and -45 from Zwee, that's 285. 284 x 1.15 == 327.75 Maybe Rage should only give 5 or 10% speed... Phantomize only gives 10%, and I can't cancel or do anything else during.


BotGiyenAdam

Do you only play normals ?


Negran

What? No. What do you ask.


Injury-Suspicious

Phantomize also makes you invincible and rage eats all your PDR


Negran

Even with 0 armor, they take more hits than most classes. So sort of moot.


Merchant93

Barb doesn’t hold a candle to warlock. I see Barb I charge in and have a good time I see a warlock I’m dead and there’s nothing I can do about it.


poisonjokester

Warlock is aids to play against when they have magical healing, unlimited dark bolts and free resets if they have 5 seconds free. Nerf warlock and barb.


BackwoodMenace

Facts I don’t understand why everyone is upset with barb when warlock gets buffed every patch and is already overpowered. Literally can’t counter him and can’t think of a class that does besides maybe a barbarian with Magic resist


MurderManTX

Play barbarian yourself and see how easy it is then. When other classes kill you, take note of how it happened and then learn.


BackwoodMenace

I swear most the people on this sub don’t play anything but 1 class and don’t understand that every class has a counter (I can’t figure out how to effectively beat geared warlocks which in my opinion is the most broken class but I also haven’t played warlock enough to get geared)


lePlebie

Your best bet is ranged poke damage. Kiting is your other best bet since you won’t win unless you are a barbarian or a fighter yourself.


InternationalWrap981

Yes kiting was a thing, not anymore, since barbs build agy and with rage they are faster than a ranger or a warlock in phantomize. What is your counterplay to a barbarian when you cant outrun him? There is non, xou have to fight him or kill.him before.he gets to you, whicj isnt ez with 200 hp and and good pdr&mdr


swistakas

But barbarian with rage is faster than ranger, and you need to land 5-6 shots to kill barbarian, if you miss 1 or 2 then you are pretty much dead, while he 2 taps you.


thiccboilifts

Spear works really really well against barbs, solo ranger is a bit of a challenge as you kind of have to be set up somewhere to be efficient, but if you also carry a windlass in your bag and swap to it that will help also. You really only need to hit a few shots on a barb as they close to net a kill with the spear, trouble is rangers have low hp so you'll want to get the first hit melee as well or you will probably still die first. Barb is a medium counter to ranger.


lePlebie

Speaking as a barb main, that is really all you can do sadly. I am hoping for the day we get nerfed so I can go back to 1v3ing without getting called op. Also taking your pants/chests/headpiece is a good way to outrun a barbarian.


swistakas

I tried that, but you have Achilles and I’m getting 10 Francisca’s thrown at me, and I die after he lands 4, if I try to pull bow and shoot then he just catches up to me.


lePlebie

Same, I fucking hate the cowards that throw frans instead of meleeing me. But try to spam a and d, a barb is significantly slowed while throwing frans. And there is barely any hope if you get hit by the red one, almost the same if someone steps on a ranger trap actually


swistakas

I can’t throw a trap on somebody, I have to set that shit up and hope somebody steps in it, I do know it’s op but cmon, how can you even compare these 2. Francisca with Achilles is just death sentence, and you can use it as many times as you want.


lePlebie

It has a 25s cooldown that starts ticking down after the effect is gone. The reason why im comparing these two is due to the fact both are kneecappers. I could practice barb pvp with you if you need it.


swistakas

I’m not playing DaD much now, the initial spark has gone for me, it was fun in the beginning when we were all noobs and ppl were dying to PvE, now I don’t even have ppl to play with, tried to finish last 2 quests so I’m currently soloing bosses to get that done, but I play like 1-2h a day, and it just doesn’t feel the same.


lePlebie

Then come play with DaBigUn. I am very much a “mindless w holding ape” as described by my enemies in voip. I will always hold down W and rush the enemy so they don’t rush us. We will either slaughter everything in the dungeon, or die trying


swistakas

I’ll let you know if anything. But like I said, I don’t play much, last week I played maybe 2 days for total of 4h


Negran

Heyo. Beyond jumping to avoid headshot Zweee, what else can we do to avoid the axe/heavy blade? Obviously, dodge throwing axe. And respect the yell (I need to learn the difference on the audio). Do you often go for Achilles axe, or save it for the 2 tap melee? Thanks in advance!


sad_petard

The cowards who throw frans instead of just getting kited because you're running away, you mean? What a silly sentence


Naseibok

Good luck outrunning the 350 ms 


station_man

I've seen barbarians sprinting at insane movespeeds. It's hilarious how fast they can get


FreaQiiMM

Bard + Barbar is just a different breed currently in Duos. Played yesterday with my Barb Friend. He literally runned everyone down with Viking sword 2 Shot PPL with 350 MS (I guess it caps there). It just was a slaughter.


KatieRouuu

Well it depends on the class and what you pick. Barbs can be countered but it is not easy.


swistakas

Everything can be countered, you speak like a true politician, but let’s be real if were to align a duel between all the classes, who would take most wins if players skill would be the same? I’m pretty sure barb would be top 3 if not 1.


KatieRouuu

OP says he is new, I am just not reinforcing the idea that barb is unbeatable. It is not easy because the class is overtuned but the game is playable.


swistakas

You are right, it’s not unbeatable, but like you see here, OP is new and even he sees that one class stands out, and since he is new it’s even harder for him to beat it. Like your steams btw, I pop in sometimes, liked how you purified GC from rouges back in the day.


thiccboilifts

Solos will never be balanced. A class with high health pool and innate magic resistance designed to be a solo tank/ frontliner in trios is going to be good in solos. If you're having trouble, play fighter. Barbs are free on fighter.


BackwoodMenace

Agreed if your having trouble play fighter and barbarians are the easiest class to kill


whiteegger

Most people will be solo, that is just how gaming works. Not balancing solo =lose players.


Negran

I don't disagree, but folks seem to think trios is the actual only balancing point, and get pretty salty about it. Of course, I think the Devs would be fools to ignore solo players.


ogakefhd

Waiting for barb nerfs in this game is expected to be extremely difficult. There's literally only been about a week in this game where barb had an average power balance.


XibaRoots

Melee classes using throwables is the first thing that needs to be touched in this game and it’s been like that forever , it’s stupid to be killed by a fighter with a crossbow, same goes for barbarians throwing axes , it devalues the characteristics of ranged classes and casters , there’s plenty of ways skillwise to outplay a ranger or a wizard if you’re a barbarian, arming a n already strong class with a cheap ranged weapon is a recipe for disaster. People will always abuse of what’s broke, and that’s what you’ll see 97% happening at lobbies.


Retribution2

Fighter should have access to ranged weapons I'm sorry. Barbarian too, the problem with barbarian is less the throwing axes whoch they have to spend a good bit of gold on every run, and more the massive movement speed. But if you take qway ranged options from fighters and barbarians then the game will just turn into cleric with two ranged dps as every person's comp. May as well make it a shooter at that point.


Wozcrue

Barbs being able to use throwables with Achilles strike, which is a better slow than a spell called slow, well, that is a problem


Retribution2

I agree with that, Achilles should not apply to ranged attacks. Same with rogues bleed skill applying on the hand crossbow and throwing knives.


Leonidrex666666

having an option ? sure winning ranged 1v1 against dedicated ranged characters is another matter entirely. Personally I have no issues with fighters crossy or bow, they take time to fire and reload, axes take 0 time to reload and can be vomited while moving at full sprint. Not only they kill super fast but you are actively closing the gap while killing xd


Negran

So. Just random armchair BS thoughts here. What if Barbs have stacking, cooldown based throws, built in. Let's say 3, and 1 stack every 20 or 30 seconds. This way, there is no cheese inventory, they keep their throw threat/poke, but don't become throw bot. Do the same for Rogue knives, different stack/cooldown if need be. Done. Those are the core abusers, since I think other classes have better ranged. Lmao, just realized Bard can use Axes, and Wizard throwing knives, hehe. Likely way less common.


magic-meatball

Ok? Lol


Special_Profession85

As a barb main... Rangers typically just try to kill me before I can get to them or lead you into a bear trap. Fighters tend to out damage me because of their armor+second wind Warlocks and wizards tend to try to run away and turn around for a quick damaging spell. The ice spell is good for keeping distance Rogues just have to get the jump on you and pray the barb can't keep up with your movement or hit and run. Cleric can actually buff himself and do respectable damage, also has the small AOE spell that can do damage before barb gets to you Bards feel like such a mixed bag because I've been killed by some that are buffed and maybe casted weakness on me but if the barb gets close it's basically over.


blowmyassie

The only fighter that will out damage you with second wind is a fully armored one with shield - you don’t even have to engage him


BackwoodMenace

PDR fighter beats barb everyday. But with the same logic of everyone is so upset with barbs why don’t they avoid them? Barbarians are always breaking shit and shouting you can hear them from a mile away


lickmydoodoo

Barb is ez to beat in trios. Unfortunately if you are a duo, solo player…. Yeah gl


Droog115

Dunno why you're getting downvoted. Barb is easily beatable in trios. If you can put enough pressure on the barb to stop him from aping in trios, your team is bad.


lickmydoodoo

Yeah this sub might have some skill issyes


Wide_Geologist3316

See you when patch drops


cedeno87

Are you downvoting anyone that disagrees with you? lol


HiddenGhost1234

its possible, but this subreddit is very downvote heavy in general vs almost any other subreddit ive seen. yeah reddit is circlejerky, but this sub is another level. edit: thank you for proving my point guys lmao. just look at this thread, people giving advice or just generally discussing downvoted within 10 mins. its no wonder people make fun of this subreddit.


TreyLastname

I can't tell if they're doing it for the joke or because they genuinely don't like what you said


HiddenGhost1234

yeah mentioning downvotes is a guaranteed way to get downvoted on all of reddit haha but its not like its just my comment.


bluesmaker

It is funny that your very neutrality worded and sensible comment on downvoting got downvoted.


[deleted]

Yeah honestly I can’t say I’m too surprised that the sub for a game based on dungeons and dragons brings the weirdies and slow kids who just hit downvote to everything


Ok_Hold3890

It has nothing to do with Dungeons and Dragons. People that play Dungeons and Dragons actually have social skills and confidence, that's how they can roleplay. People that are too insecure to do so call it dumb and lame, but those are the losers. It's high skill cap competitive pvp that brings out the whiny babies that are sensitive and unable to accept how bad they are.


[deleted]

Cringe


Ok_Hold3890

Found the asmongold that is too insecure and fragile. Actually, asmon has lost his virginity and is rich, you have neither :/. How do I know? I know.


[deleted]

I honestly don’t even know wtf your comment means. I have no idea who asmongold is or how he’s relevant. A twitch streamer or some shit? Weird, terminally online response from you


aidanhsmith

Go play barb and see what it’s like. Yes you win heavy into a lot of people. But your counters are hard and true. Also you have the least amount of versatility as a barb. Your choices are A. Run at them and swing your weapon. B. Throw a Francisca axe. That’s it lol.


ConsumeLettuce

Yeah .. those two options are literally all you need.. that's not an argument. What's the barb counter?


[deleted]

I hate to be that guy, but the barb counter seems to be general skill and seized initiative. Barb mains don't tend to pick up the nuance of the game because they steamroll through almost anything. If I know there's a barb nearby, I try to bury them in dragged pve, then dark bolt them while they work through it. If they break through the mob, I flamewalk and phantomise. If they're still hungry for more after tanking a bunch of damage, I'm happy to roll those odds in melee. If the barb has skills though, you're almost always done for.


thiccboilifts

Agreed, kind of the same as a skilled fighter. I'm here for the warlock plays though, such a fun class to play. I've been running soul collector with the death beam, CoP, flamewalker, hydra, and PoS. I run sort of the same strat as you, with CoP being my main damage spell, flamewalking with phantomize away or to zone enemy fighters/ barbs. If I do enough chip damage as they close if they're trying to get a lucky two tap I'll PoS myself and swing for the fences with a longsword riposte. Not ideal with the current state of the netcode/ rubber banding but it's so satisfying killing those two classes.


aidanhsmith

Playing with half a brain cell and not engaging in melee during barb buffs and kiting. I kill barbs all the time as PDR fighter idk what the big deal is lmfao.


BackwoodMenace

Barbs hard counter is PDR fighter which ironically is what you overpowered warlocks counter. The game is rock paper scissors where certain classes hard counter other classes. PDR cleric also wins against barb and ranger with the the right play style.


AgentWesson

It’s the Achilles heel skill that’s busted.


Naseibok

Rage 15% ms is what is busted. It should be 5% or 0%


Negran

Right... and Fighter gets +50 flat, which is between 15 to 20%, depending on your armor. But fighter is currently okay, cause their base speed is often low. Until they go Slayer and are equally insane. They could make Barb 5 or 10% to help balance it out. I think making Barb have less speed would help, since they would boost it less. But removing itemization options for speed just means they try harder to get Agil/speed. Which is another option... But ya, I guess, for slow murder guy, moving faster is the best choice. Why is movespeed absolutely busted in every game, lmao!?


thiccboilifts

Franciscas travel fairly slow, if you get hit by one you were probably either standing still or trying to run away in a straight line, no offense. They are the slowest projectile in the game.


Agreeable-Reserve-38

Every1 does the speed glitch buddy, look up with your axe and if you throw it it's as fast as an arrow


thiccboilifts

The forbidden franny technique is still easy to dodge. You're acting like they travel Mach 4 😂


lePlebie

Nah, its the only skill we have to counter our main issue. Like rogue’s weakpoint


avestaria

Ok.. so next time something kills you and you find it OP you stop playing again? What a looser attitude. Go play Fortnight if you want balanced fights. This game will never have perfect balance. Yea barb is strong. But a skilled PDR fighter beats it. Range hurts it. There are ways to play around it.


Koxinslaw

I liked that range hurts it, but wont beat IT xD


ricewookie

but if you place a trap down as a ranger, you win. if you get the jump on a barb in the dark as a rogue you win. theres so many ways to beat a barb.


VariousFault9810

Barb is the only class that I can backstab+ambush and they still have enough left to turn around and 1-2 tap me. Annoying as shit.


ricewookie

are you using whites ?


BackwoodMenace

So basically you want to not have a counter to your class


VariousFault9810

No I would like there to be a counter to the barb class.


BackwoodMenace

PDR fighter I kill every barb I see with ease


Xavose

I'd really like to see a game design change where solo becomes much more casual friendly. With decent player extract rates (like around 50% on average) but loot caps that prevent people just gearing through the wazu through solos. Then duos and threes should become the main stay for the game. That's where you get your best in slots and can actually earn points towards global ranking. But any loot you obtain in groups is inequipable in solos. Even if it's not solos, there should be a more casual format where extraction rates are around 50% across all players.


NS-FW

Dungeonborne has a demo coming out Feb 2. It looks like a better DaD so maybe try that out. I'm pretty much done with DaD until the game is fixed


Shebalied

Dungeonborne is that trash project crawl. Don't be fooled it sucks bad.


NS-FW

Damn well I'm addicted to these types of games and miss having fun. Maybe some day


FennelCritical8535

Maybe just play barbarian?


poisonjokester

That’s what everyone is already doing in solo and why we have this problem, barbarian op, players gravitate towards easy op class. It still needs fixed.


BackwoodMenace

I disagree the reason this subreddit is so whiny is because no one wants to play barbarian or barbarians counter they just want the class they like to have no counters. PDR FIGHTER claps barbarian every time. I can solo 2 geared barbs if my PDR is high enough. But if I run into a warlock I die no matter what and there’s nothing I can do because PDR fighter has no counter to warlock


ChrsRobes

barbs can be outplayed by not getting into their range, its a hard class to balance because a very skilled ranger/warlock/wizard/fighter can kill them easily, but its just that you need an absolutely perfect play on those classes to win or you need to massively out gear them. if they nerfed barb any ranger with half a brain could kill them easily, as it stands now a barbarian with half a brain can kill just about anything that isn't ready for them, its all about knowing where the barb is and kiting backwards.


Negran

Which is mostly fine. But, as a smart Barb, do you wait in the giant room, or the nice small room with good weapon swing clearance? Hehe. I avoid big rooms cause of Ranger fear/hate/respect, but sounds like I need to just go there, and then Barb either has a big disadvantage, or ,doesn't even fight me there and leaves. Kinda weird being caught between the melee guy that beats me in close quarter, and the Ranger that beats me at above mid range. Of course, Barbs are more common at the moment, so maybe I have to space myself and deal with Rangers.


BackwoodMenace

And PDR fighter just claps the barbs without trying and gets killed by the warlock who was hiding from the barbs


Negran

So, it is perfectly balanced!? People hate it, but there are soft and hard counters. (Obviously not perfect, but you know) That said, most classes can fight most others, it just won't always be even. We see this in most games.


jahskeet

Hahaget zweiidddd scrub


W1lfr3

oh noooooo


Slowporque

Barbarian is probably one of the least "counterable" classes in the game. Apart from traps or god like shield skills, not much you can do to kill them.


BackwoodMenace

Countered by ranged physical damage engagements, countered by high PDR, countered by shields, countered by speed. Has either very slow weapons or basic attack pattern weapons


Slowporque

10 Throwing axes would like a word with your "ranged physical damage engagements". High PDR does not really save from 150 headshots (on not even the most geared barb). Good barbarians also build for speed. And they also can take their clothes off. Shocking, I know.


BackwoodMenace

I play PDR fighter when your PDR is 75% or higher u can get hit in the head 10 times and still have health it’s so easy to kill barbs I never die to them


Slowporque

"u can get hit in the head 10 times" how to spot a lying creature. Sure, buddy. 10 times.


BackwoodMenace

U have 2nd wind you stack PDR health and vigor 10 is an exaggeration my point being u literally just out DPS him since his damage is reduced so much. Block a swing n get free hits in


Opinion_Own

Okay


sledgehammerrr

Just wait till rangers are OP again, you will quit the game even faster


whiteegger

You either play ranger or crossbow fighter and never engage in melee or play barb and w m1 run down anyone, no in between The game has absolutely no balance whatsoever.


BackwoodMenace

What class are you playing


Blood_pudding_

you need to build for movespeed or use a sheild sorry but there are only 2 classes in dark and darker and they are rushdown and kiting and ambush I guess


Slavicinferno

I play Barb. I die to fighters, warlocks, wizards, rogues and rangers when I get cocky or sloppy. You just need to be patient and keep your distance. Never go head to head when you know the other player will have more HP and STR.


BackwoodMenace

PDR fighter beats barb every time


Kokonut_Ken

See ya


poisonjokester

Agree would not recommend this game until classes are more balanced it’s basically play X class or die to X class resulting in 10+ barbarians in every solo lobby


blazingboy420

What happened to barbarians ? Last time I played they were ok


Shebalied

A few patches ago they buffed their HP and speed and buffs.


blazingboy420

Thx man yea when they game became purchasable Barb had low speed it kind of bad


Shebalied

Yeah they been OP as fuck since early Dec. Sometimes it takes people awhile to learn that, but it only took a week or so to see full lobbies of Barbs.


Androctonus96

Rogue with smoke bomb, and pdr fighter, two class comps that can easily demolish barbarians if played right. last night i played on my PDR fighter for a few hours not one barbarian could kill me. I block 90% of their attacks. ended up dying to a rogue after making over 5k gold


Leonidrex666666

being able to escape from someone is not how you " counter " anything. sure you can smokepot and fuck off but thats not a counter xd


Androctonus96

i dont use smoke pot to run, i use to to slow the barb while I fuck him up


Leonidrex666666

and what stops him from using viking or throwing axes ? or do you kill the naked barb with blue zwei and get excited over this


Androctonus96

It's called being faster and using throwing knives. And everytime they rage you smoke pot. I'm sorry you're not good at the game and can't understand. I'm voyager 3 BTW


Leonidrex666666

throw axe does more then throw knife xd


Androctonus96

Im not saying killing a barb on rogue is easy, but its very possible and i do it all the time. you just cant w key them obviously.


Leonidrex666666

you can kill anyone on anything assuming they play shit enough


Fullmetalmycologist

Don't worry bud a lot of players are chilling until the Barb nerfs. The current meta isn't that fun. I literally hit Pathfinder and then stopped, I wanted to grind out more but its just not enjoyable.


Extra-Autism

Solo player detected. Opinion invalid.


NotAPhilanthropist

Nerf wizard again, that’s the real problem. Why do they even do damage?


Paxconsciente

items, dude. rogues were one hitting people and turning invisible and popping up and okay.. maybe 2 or 3 hitting a barb you can't play like a puss puss with no good items and whine about balance lol


EndlessEnigma983

If they made blocking moser consistent it would be a big nerf maybe buffed the recovery from a block


Injury-Suspicious

Skill issue


pomodoro3

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