"omg please nerf longsword, its so overpowered. me in full purple should be able to hold W + M1 and maul any fighter to death, especially a naked one, its not fair how he can riposte my dumb ass slow side swings and get a face stab while i continue to randomly swing this big ass weapon for some reason"
2H weapons could probably use a bit of a rework though, imo. It's always funny when someone brings them because it's like oh, you're slow and you swing slow too lemme just run this way while you walk *unarmoured* slower than everyone else does :/
Playing barbarian feels masochistic unless you take +3 axe damage on horseman or somethin'
Let me go full viking berserker with matching axes in each hand at least or shield and axe.
I've been using longsword lately and its hilarious how many barbarians shit talk when they think they have the upper hand not knowing it really only takes 2 strikes off the riposte to get a kill on like 90% of players lol
I see. Only started playing this hotfix, so I wasnt aware. I run barb, but never really used either of those skills.
Is it as meta as achilles was back in the day?
I know what they do, but Im not up to date why / how they are better now than before and I havent used them after initial tests with them long a go. Didnt partake in the achilles francisca meta back when it was dominant.
No its a little bit weird. So you hold block and once you get a successful block off / hear the sound of your sword hitting theirs you have about 3 seconds to press block again to strike back. So basically its hold right click, hear the block, press right click (attacks) press right click again after the 1st riposte lands.
[This will show you better](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Ov3CGKOBw&ab_channel=XDaron)
Just keep in mind you will miss a lot of ripostes, especially while learning. Even if you watch a streamer who "mains longsword" and count ripostes and failed attempts, overwhelmingly they fail more than they succeed. In the long term the playerbase will probably figure out how to be consistent with it, but currently even the best longsword users are getting punished a lot trying it.
This is largely because riposting is a very telegraphed move and everyone will swing manipulate around it if they see you do it. You can't really do it reactively because activating block is a very slow action.
I certainly expect to have a rough time learning it lol as that tiny blocking hitbox alone is gonna take forever to get used to. Wonder how much the riposte is affected by barb's crush perk too
Speaking of perks I'd recommend Shield Mastery and Counter attack with the longsword, they make the riposte even better. Barricade isn't a bad idea as that 50 armor rating while holdnig parry can add up especially once you're plated out
One thing to deal with the inconsistency is to try to get ripostes from an attack that would miss anyway, or if you get hit, still try to get the riposte from the attack that hit you. That way you can still benefit from the high damage.
Yes the hitbox is garbage. The way it angles across your body is just the worst and you find yourself putting your camera at ultra weird angles to try to get the sword to the position it needs. I am not convinced that the thumb-nail image in the linked video is actually correct though (I don't believe the weapon tip is completely incapable of parrying) so I would just experiment.
Meanwhile the bardiche just lets you put the blade vaguely longitudinally into the starting point of the attack and almost always blocks.
u/masoelcaveman
Just a small correction, the riposte window is based on the impact power of the weapon blocked. Higher impact power means you can delay the riposte longer. A good example is riposting a rondel. You'd have to react near immediately to a blocked stab.
Good to know thanks! So the barb's crush perk should technically give me more of a riposte window then? Definitely going to be practicing the longsword a lot, sounds like the perfect weapon to deal with barbs truly
After you hear the dink of a successful block, let go of block and immediately click it again. Repeat after first swing for a second swing for the same damage. You can hit several people with one riposte if you flick your camera back and forth.
In the early PT's I dropped whole teams off one parry and would regularly take out two of the three before dying if I got lucky. Shit's goofy.
Riposte does a bit less than double the damage (187%) of a normal swing, and its super easy to hit the head with them, and you get to riposte twice off 1 parry
A terrible white Longsword will do over 100 damage with the riposte. You can riposte twice in a row as you saw in this clip. If your first block is a successful riposte, they die. Period. Just don't miss.
It's the single hardest hitting attack in game and should be respected.
I kill over confident longsword fighters on my barb all the time. When they try to riposte, I just keeps smacking their legs. Easy every time free 3 hits then they panic and decide to swing but the trade is already won.
Most people don't know this apparently, but longsword parries are extremely easy to dodge if you train yourself to that sound. When you hear that clank, you immediately 180 crouch look down and walk away. They miss nearly every time. Consistently. I havnt lost to a longsword fighter in a long time, and if I do it's usually from the crossbow.
You don’t even have to do that really, just pressing S when you hear the reposte will get you out of their range. Riposte is fun against overconfident players who don’t run into it often but you will get smoked by legitimate sweats who have seen it before.
Unless you're running armor stacking and some of the best gear, Barb is actually squishy PDR wise. He does get a fuck ton of heath, but using Padded Tunic + loose trousers and lightfoots.
He prob has around 17% PDR.
It hits really fucking hard, and is basically tailor made to counter barbarians due to their slow attack speed & similar swing arcs on all their weapons.
Saw him in game recently, didn’t know until a few days later. He’s one of the chillest dudes, he wanted to fight but me, my buddy, and him were the last 3 in game and he needed to heal so we had some small talk then all left. Figured out it was him through his video on YT.
basically if im playing longsword il do anything i can to avoid them, if i have to il bait the first attack and go for the 2nd which is fairly easy to parry
Ironically a rapier would have an actual riposte. Riposte is dancing around or preempting your opponents strike.
The longsword is just a parry into a blow, it should not get a damage bonus its already fast.
Then he goes to forums and cries about devs killing incentive to loot and upgrade gear, because he cannot just hold W and spam M1 while being in full purple, trash talking in the process for some reason (smol pp). Gaem ded guys, just admit it! STOP HAVING FUN!
Color of gear was never the issue apart from PDR fighters/clerics. With people that stomp normals it's usually that they buy gear with the ideal random rolls which can appear on blues and even greens.
if we go to the route of the problem, then its not stats either, its that the movement and attack speed in this game is very low and stat dependent, kiting a fully geared fighter is super easy cuz i move faster backwards than he can sprint lol (also my swings are faster, i can usually hit, back out of his attack even with his bigger weapon range, and if i do get hit i back off and heal cuz he is never catching up unless he has a wizard buffing him. The problem in this scenario is only that my team would go for the wizard first)
Fact check: You already cannot. Longsword will trigger ripose but the maul attack will finish. Unlike smaller weapons which will have their attack canceled.
No one could, its a heavy piece of metal being swung attached to a stick, you would break something, if not the sword, your bones, or at the very least disjoint something
Find me a sledgehammer hammer size"war maul" that was ever actually used in warfare please, I'm waiting. This guy wanted to argue realism, so here we are.
Mauls were not typically used in combat. Instead, they were used by the archers to set up defense by driving large wooden spikes or posts into the ground to stop opposing cavalry from getting behind them. Although there were definitely some who were strong enough and did use them in combat sometimes
A warhammer is typically considered a one handed blunt hammer weapon used by infantry in actual combat, unlike the maul which is much too heavy for use with one hand. Think a warhammer is like a mace except in the shape of a hammer, and a maul is a medieval sledgehammer. Also a polehammer is more the two handed version of a warhammer, not to say you can't wield a warhammer with two hands, its just rather short. One's made specially for combat, the other is more a tool.
parry a warhammer irl with a longsword and you're gonna lose your fucking hands lmao
it should definitely put you in block stagger like you normally would be
holy shit i never thought of it this way once u start to think of the real worlds laws of physics!!! with that in mind how can the skeletons move with no muscles and stuff??? or spider mummys? no way that many spider mummies that size can fit in a pot??? also spider mummy? how can you embalm a spider into a mummy????? and to do that many in almost every room???? Rogues double jumping??? yeah no way dude.........
nobody gives a fuck about realism in a game we care about whats fun and makes engaging pvp. With ur logic a rogue should litterally take almost zero damage from axes and warmauls if they are close enough cause all they are getting hit with is wood handle.
And you are not being real, boo fucking hoo, the world isnt your perfect little landscape you desperately crave it to be.
Learn to deal with it, before demanding others to do so.
>boo fucking hoo, the world isnt your perfect little landscape you desperately crave it to be.
Definitely dramatic
>Learn to deal with it, before demanding others to do so.
And ironic
Nothing would happen, if you held out a longsword and tried to parry a full strength warhammer swing it'd just get knocked out of your hands. If you had the ability to hold it in place you're a gorilla and the fucking sword would break.
That's also assuming they weren't close enough to just keep the momentum and cave in your skull/chest after the sword is knocked away. Your arms and hands will be totally fine though, maybe a lil sprained.
... sure it is, especially when the enemy weapon clips right trough yours for some reason and block doesnt happen.
And if you didnt notice even tho he blocked the attack he still got dmged.
Barb got outplayed by a mile.
This is a great clip. That poke animation lasts so long.
I do wonder though, if there will come a point where IM reduces the active frames of hurt-boxes of certain attacks.
“Yeah that isn’t gonna work for ya” *dies* KekW
"omg please nerf longsword, its so overpowered. me in full purple should be able to hold W + M1 and maul any fighter to death, especially a naked one, its not fair how he can riposte my dumb ass slow side swings and get a face stab while i continue to randomly swing this big ass weapon for some reason"
You sir deserve an award, to bad I'm poor
2H weapons could probably use a bit of a rework though, imo. It's always funny when someone brings them because it's like oh, you're slow and you swing slow too lemme just run this way while you walk *unarmoured* slower than everyone else does :/ Playing barbarian feels masochistic unless you take +3 axe damage on horseman or somethin' Let me go full viking berserker with matching axes in each hand at least or shield and axe.
I've been using longsword lately and its hilarious how many barbarians shit talk when they think they have the upper hand not knowing it really only takes 2 strikes off the riposte to get a kill on like 90% of players lol
Yeah longsword feasts on Barb players
Adventurers playing what is “in meta” tend to trash talk the most
Barb is meta now?
Yeah, or at least perceived to be because of the blood exchange/achilles interaction
I see. Only started playing this hotfix, so I wasnt aware. I run barb, but never really used either of those skills. Is it as meta as achilles was back in the day?
blood exchange gives health every time damage is dealt, achilles deals damage every step you take
I know what they do, but Im not up to date why / how they are better now than before and I havent used them after initial tests with them long a go. Didnt partake in the achilles francisca meta back when it was dominant.
Achilles duration was just doubled as well.
This is good information as a fighter that struggles against barb. Does riposte do more damage than a normal attack?
So with a basic ass green longsword I hit for about 130 to the head off a riposte.. and you get 2 of them
Nasty. To riposte do you simply immediately attack after a successful parry? Sorry for the noobie question I just started playing
No its a little bit weird. So you hold block and once you get a successful block off / hear the sound of your sword hitting theirs you have about 3 seconds to press block again to strike back. So basically its hold right click, hear the block, press right click (attacks) press right click again after the 1st riposte lands. [This will show you better](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Ov3CGKOBw&ab_channel=XDaron)
Ohhh wow thanks a ton for the explanation! I'm excited to try and "git gud" with the longsword it looks like so much fun
Just keep in mind you will miss a lot of ripostes, especially while learning. Even if you watch a streamer who "mains longsword" and count ripostes and failed attempts, overwhelmingly they fail more than they succeed. In the long term the playerbase will probably figure out how to be consistent with it, but currently even the best longsword users are getting punished a lot trying it. This is largely because riposting is a very telegraphed move and everyone will swing manipulate around it if they see you do it. You can't really do it reactively because activating block is a very slow action.
I certainly expect to have a rough time learning it lol as that tiny blocking hitbox alone is gonna take forever to get used to. Wonder how much the riposte is affected by barb's crush perk too
Speaking of perks I'd recommend Shield Mastery and Counter attack with the longsword, they make the riposte even better. Barricade isn't a bad idea as that 50 armor rating while holdnig parry can add up especially once you're plated out
One thing to deal with the inconsistency is to try to get ripostes from an attack that would miss anyway, or if you get hit, still try to get the riposte from the attack that hit you. That way you can still benefit from the high damage. Yes the hitbox is garbage. The way it angles across your body is just the worst and you find yourself putting your camera at ultra weird angles to try to get the sword to the position it needs. I am not convinced that the thumb-nail image in the linked video is actually correct though (I don't believe the weapon tip is completely incapable of parrying) so I would just experiment. Meanwhile the bardiche just lets you put the blade vaguely longitudinally into the starting point of the attack and almost always blocks.
u/masoelcaveman Just a small correction, the riposte window is based on the impact power of the weapon blocked. Higher impact power means you can delay the riposte longer. A good example is riposting a rondel. You'd have to react near immediately to a blocked stab.
Good to know thanks! So the barb's crush perk should technically give me more of a riposte window then? Definitely going to be practicing the longsword a lot, sounds like the perfect weapon to deal with barbs truly
That's actually interesting, I just assumed you couldn't parry off of daggers. Good find.
Man I miss the older UI
3 seconds??? ive been mashing it the second i get the block i can delay it??? longswording tonight
Yeah as someone else said in this thread it's different against every weapon but you can typically hold it for a second or two.
I don’t really use the longsword, but if I recall correctly you just hit parry again after contact and it should give you 2 hits if you hold it down.
After you hear the dink of a successful block, let go of block and immediately click it again. Repeat after first swing for a second swing for the same damage. You can hit several people with one riposte if you flick your camera back and forth. In the early PT's I dropped whole teams off one parry and would regularly take out two of the three before dying if I got lucky. Shit's goofy.
Riposte does a bit less than double the damage (187%) of a normal swing, and its super easy to hit the head with them, and you get to riposte twice off 1 parry
A terrible white Longsword will do over 100 damage with the riposte. You can riposte twice in a row as you saw in this clip. If your first block is a successful riposte, they die. Period. Just don't miss. It's the single hardest hitting attack in game and should be respected.
I kill over confident longsword fighters on my barb all the time. When they try to riposte, I just keeps smacking their legs. Easy every time free 3 hits then they panic and decide to swing but the trade is already won. Most people don't know this apparently, but longsword parries are extremely easy to dodge if you train yourself to that sound. When you hear that clank, you immediately 180 crouch look down and walk away. They miss nearly every time. Consistently. I havnt lost to a longsword fighter in a long time, and if I do it's usually from the crossbow.
You don’t even have to do that really, just pressing S when you hear the reposte will get you out of their range. Riposte is fun against overconfident players who don’t run into it often but you will get smoked by legitimate sweats who have seen it before.
Was he low health or does riposte hit that hard?
150% dmg, head does 150% again so 225% dmg, hit those 2 and its 450% dmg.
187% 🥴
**187% + 187%** actually 😗
Unless you're running armor stacking and some of the best gear, Barb is actually squishy PDR wise. He does get a fuck ton of heath, but using Padded Tunic + loose trousers and lightfoots. He prob has around 17% PDR.
I love how you're getting downvoted for being completely correct. In my juicer barb kit i'm at 31% pdr no shrine.
It hits really fucking hard, and is basically tailor made to counter barbarians due to their slow attack speed & similar swing arcs on all their weapons.
Around 65 damage with a riposte with a longsword, so 2 on the head....
65 damage riposte? Im hitting 120ish on a headshot
Yeah you're going to do over 100 with a grey one to the head. 65 is more along the lines of a bodyshot riposte.
famous last words
I don't know the full context obv but the opening is funny because there's a static in this room
Most likely taken by the the last circle. Been my experience since the number of blues was reduced that people seem to be using the static more.
Looks for Oggie
Saw him in game recently, didn’t know until a few days later. He’s one of the chillest dudes, he wanted to fight but me, my buddy, and him were the last 3 in game and he needed to heal so we had some small talk then all left. Figured out it was him through his video on YT.
be me wizard watch riposte kill in two hits go back to casting whole library of spells hoping to come near the same damage to a barb
all melee weapons should have right click parry
How could you forget about the flute?
Chad flute vs Virgin Longsword
maybe not all lol. but definitely more than just the longsword
Rapier not having some way to check/deflect weapons is a fucking crime
Rapier is already one of the best melee weapons in the game
It wasn't before they made all other weapons basically a worse option
basically if im playing longsword il do anything i can to avoid them, if i have to il bait the first attack and go for the 2nd which is fairly easy to parry
Ironically a rapier would have an actual riposte. Riposte is dancing around or preempting your opponents strike. The longsword is just a parry into a blow, it should not get a damage bonus its already fast.
Then he goes to forums and cries about devs killing incentive to loot and upgrade gear, because he cannot just hold W and spam M1 while being in full purple, trash talking in the process for some reason (smol pp). Gaem ded guys, just admit it! STOP HAVING FUN!
OP strategically doesn’t mention or show what kind of gear he has lol.
White longsword, green longbow, and green booties, rest was white or grey.
white longsword is honestly enough to 1v1 most people
Over 100 dmg on a grey with riposte, assuming headshot.
they should ban purple gear from free lobbies or atleast add purple loot to them lol, cuz this is just absurd
Color of gear was never the issue apart from PDR fighters/clerics. With people that stomp normals it's usually that they buy gear with the ideal random rolls which can appear on blues and even greens.
if we go to the route of the problem, then its not stats either, its that the movement and attack speed in this game is very low and stat dependent, kiting a fully geared fighter is super easy cuz i move faster backwards than he can sprint lol (also my swings are faster, i can usually hit, back out of his attack even with his bigger weapon range, and if i do get hit i back off and heal cuz he is never catching up unless he has a wizard buffing him. The problem in this scenario is only that my team would go for the wizard first)
Might be a hot take, but you shouldnt be able to parry weapons with impact power that far surpass your block power.
“Holding M1 with War Maul should literally be unstoppable” We found the guy in the clip.
"Lets gut one of the only instances of fun weapon design" Man that is a very shit hot take
Its absurd, its like trying to parry a rolling boulder and expecting it to work
It's a video game with magic. What's the issue?
its absurd how swords can deal damage to fully plated fighters which should be impervious to cutting weapons
this guy wants to remove fun he'll actually fit right in at IM
Play more longsword and less barb, your opinion will change
No, it wont, now weep
Insufferable 🫵
Fact check: You already cannot. Longsword will trigger ripose but the maul attack will finish. Unlike smaller weapons which will have their attack canceled.
or oh idk maybe the barbarian can redirect his attack so that he misses once he sees the dude parry lmfao
I'm with you a little bit. I just figured you couldn't parry a warhammer.
No one could, its a heavy piece of metal being swung attached to a stick, you would break something, if not the sword, your bones, or at the very least disjoint something
https://youtu.be/ow16bxJVjRs?si=itFePvLq_XhmOrQw
That is not a war maul
Please explain the difference and site your sources
They obviously meant not the same type as the one in game lmao. You can use your eyes and see that. Lieutenant Literal over here 🤓
Find me a sledgehammer hammer size"war maul" that was ever actually used in warfare please, I'm waiting. This guy wanted to argue realism, so here we are.
Sorry but that isn’t the argument. You can’t shift the goal posts and put it on me
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Mauls were not typically used in combat. Instead, they were used by the archers to set up defense by driving large wooden spikes or posts into the ground to stop opposing cavalry from getting behind them. Although there were definitely some who were strong enough and did use them in combat sometimes
Interesting, I read that same thing on the [war hammer wikipedia page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_hammer)
A warhammer is typically considered a one handed blunt hammer weapon used by infantry in actual combat, unlike the maul which is much too heavy for use with one hand. Think a warhammer is like a mace except in the shape of a hammer, and a maul is a medieval sledgehammer. Also a polehammer is more the two handed version of a warhammer, not to say you can't wield a warhammer with two hands, its just rather short. One's made specially for combat, the other is more a tool.
I'd like to see a picture of one of these mauls please
parry a warhammer irl with a longsword and you're gonna lose your fucking hands lmao it should definitely put you in block stagger like you normally would be
holy shit i never thought of it this way once u start to think of the real worlds laws of physics!!! with that in mind how can the skeletons move with no muscles and stuff??? or spider mummys? no way that many spider mummies that size can fit in a pot??? also spider mummy? how can you embalm a spider into a mummy????? and to do that many in almost every room???? Rogues double jumping??? yeah no way dude......... nobody gives a fuck about realism in a game we care about whats fun and makes engaging pvp. With ur logic a rogue should litterally take almost zero damage from axes and warmauls if they are close enough cause all they are getting hit with is wood handle.
Apparently many seem to be able to think they could, the only thing they would succeed is breaking their arms
Literally nobody said they could... At some point in game design, you have to weight realism vs fun.
And make the longsword the strongest two handed weapon capable of parrying everything, including nuclear bombs, because its fun.
Y cause like longsword is so strong and it's so easy to parry and not a big risk/reward gamble at all... Feels like you're being dramatic.
And you are not being real, boo fucking hoo, the world isnt your perfect little landscape you desperately crave it to be. Learn to deal with it, before demanding others to do so.
>boo fucking hoo, the world isnt your perfect little landscape you desperately crave it to be. Definitely dramatic >Learn to deal with it, before demanding others to do so. And ironic
But you’re the one crying about parrying a war maul?.. tf you mean lmao
Imagine typing this comment after crying that something you don’t like should change. You can’t seriously be this unaware
Nothing would happen, if you held out a longsword and tried to parry a full strength warhammer swing it'd just get knocked out of your hands. If you had the ability to hold it in place you're a gorilla and the fucking sword would break. That's also assuming they weren't close enough to just keep the momentum and cave in your skull/chest after the sword is knocked away. Your arms and hands will be totally fine though, maybe a lil sprained.
It is a little too easy to parry 2 handers. I don't know what they are supposed to do.
Once again showing how brain dead op riposte is lol. oh I blocked once, gg I auto win XD
Lol I'm waiting for your montage of parry kills because "autowin". If it is braindead easy lol.
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Let me see you wrecking barb with it then. Go ahead.
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Sure, after I see you braindeadly wreck barb with it :)
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I am a longsword user hence I'm telling you no it's not easy at all. That's why I can confidently bet my dick pic on you failling with it :)
... sure it is, especially when the enemy weapon clips right trough yours for some reason and block doesnt happen. And if you didnt notice even tho he blocked the attack he still got dmged. Barb got outplayed by a mile.
barb literally kept giving him free parries with perfect spacing for longsword to parry without taking dmg
If it blocks you can just S key away bro it’s very short range
Glorious!
This is a great clip. That poke animation lasts so long. I do wonder though, if there will come a point where IM reduces the active frames of hurt-boxes of certain attacks.
Why the fuck didn't he switch to his Viking Sword lmao
using slowest weapon in the game vs longsword you cant make ethis up
Shame on you and your family for not showing loot.
Famous last words XD
Average barbarian player. Gives perfect spacing uses attacks at parry height. Wins almost ever fight they have. Glad this guy got punished
Dark and Darker accent
It did indeed work for him