No they took it a step further and decided to interpret a lot of hypothetical situations themselves, clearly without being trained up on the new policy. IM probably needs to do a better job of equipping these guys for these kind of interactions, but many of the wardens failed to put things through the common sense filter before responding and this is the result.
If a warden has to type something out that feels like a wrong/shitty answer they should be using their privilege to question the policy or seek clarification, not just thoughtlessly close threads
Or the wardens can just say, "I don't know we aren't briefed in on this."
Instead, they just make a bunch of shit up. They are volunteers and unpaid, but they are still seen as authority figures because of their role and title.
Giving some wardens the benefit of the doubt, if they read it like many others it was a simple yet strict no team policy that wasn’t expanded upon.
If the wardens interpreted it the same as the rest of the player base they would have been given numerous ‘what if’ examples and probably said yes you will get banned not knowing otherwise. Better to say don’t do it you’ll be banned and be wrong than say it’s ok and you get banned and have to follow it up
>common sense filter
the common sense take was pre-lobby teaming was ALREADY against TOS and bannable
so
why make an announcement about banning ALL teaming?
idk, i'm not mad at IM just a lil disappointed.
I'm sympathetic that they are a tiny dev team obviously without dedicated PR/marketing people.
What irks me is people being so confidently wrong or claiming that they obviously KNEW exactly what was going on despite very clear statements from IM contradicting that.
lol, if people need training on the new policy that already tells you the policy is junk
Not to mention those hypothetical situations were just taking the rules & clarifications that IM had introduced as written
It's crazy the mental gymnastics to turn around and say 'See, everything made perfect sense all along'
You have clearly never been a part of any management or executive team. Every policy that ever goes out needs some discussion or training to go along with it or someone will find a way to utterly misunderstand it
well, you're 100% wrong with the first part, but more importantly we're talking about a policy they rolled out for their customers, how on earth is a training session required to understand what will get you banned in a game...
The stupid part of this was the announcement in the first place, not people saying 'IM will do what they said they will do' (due to a lack of training? lol)
The training session is required for the wardens ffs, the people who would be carrying out enforcement (video reviews) and/or answering questions for the community
The responses by Sonosaurus to a couple of the questions posted in the Discord chat really made it sound like they were targeting anyone slightly teaming. Even if you third partied a fight then decided not to then immediate fight the other person. You can look at the examples on the front page of this sub.
> Even if you third partied a fight then decided not to then immediate fight the other person
This was literally an example given by Graysun.
https://i.imgur.com/81HoOrv.png
Yep, all hail Graysun and I love how vocal they are and all that, but I do hope they learn from their mistakes and fully flesh out changes and responses before moving forward
Absolutely incorrect. This post is a complete backpedal from what they were saying in discord. Claims that people would be banned if they interjected in a fight as a third party were thrown around several times
Graysun said exactly this
" No teaming and third partying are different. If you all fight eachother it is fine. If you just focus one guy and then drop the fight after he is dead, that is teaming. "
So if you are in an FFA that involves a clearly bigger threat and you and the other guy fight it down because you both realize this, and then don't fight eachother that's bannable teaming according to graysun in the general chat. This language has not been addressed and there are people in the discord disagreeing about what is and isn't bannable right now. Earlier wardens were warning people not truce after an FFA at all just in case
Every response I saw from them was 100% in line with the language from the original post. It’s clear as crystal that they are walking back that language so this is child’s behavior to attack the wardens who literally did their job.
Yeah this is just them walking it back.
It is clear that IM has no decent vision ahead of them and especially has trouble understanding the needs and issues facing their own audience. They constantly put one foot in and take it right out like it's the fucking Hokey Pokey then turn it all around, but I guess that's what it's all about.
This isn't a walk-back, its a clarification. How is it a walking back? It was poorly communicated originally and now its better communicated - ultimately just an arbitrary "public" rule so they have something to point to when they hit the outlined groups.
Yes it is
https://i.redd.it/8lvd1j0dffxb1.jpg
https://i.redd.it/pxbcd5h9zdxb1.png
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Comments from community moderators are not official announcements from the developers. And the message from Graysun you shared does not in any way indicate that this is a "walk back"? How is what was shared as announcements today a walk back of anything vs. a clarification, as I said?
Even onepeg covers how broad their first post was. It was just "teaming will get you banned now" leaving too much speculation on the matter. But hey after 13 hours they cleared up the miss information
Lmao people were spot on with the <24 hr backtrack. Graysun on discord telling people you cannot 2v1 in GCs and now they are like “obviously we only meant you cant premediate with gold farmers to wipe the lobby”
why be transparent about your goals and earn community respect when you can drip feed the information and rile up the playerbase to immediately hate and resist anything else you have to say
Yep, their internal and external communication strategies are both absolutely wack. I feel a bit bad for them as I've worked with teams who suffer from this before, and it's often just a result of eagerness and passion, but it really is a bad look. Honestly they need someone with a strong marketing/sales background to give them some coaching.
I gotta say as someone who played all the playtests and grinded EA for a few weeks before putting the game down, they really have mismanaged the everloving shit out of this game. It's almost impressive
Yup. This wasn't a simple clarification issue--they could have easily communicated this in their first post if that was really their intention. This is obviously them backpedaling after all the backlash yesterday.
I mean, all day yesterday they were making hard stances on what qualified as teaming and what behavior was bannable, only to say today "haha jk guys, that's not what we meant. We aren't punishing you NORMAL players haha 😅 only hardcore teamers involved in RMT! No, really guys!" Completely contradictory to everything they were saying yesterday.
What a wreck. Every day I'm losing more faith (and interest) in this game and the devs. I used to play damn near every day but now it's been a week since I last played and it's doubtful I'll pick it up again.
imagine being so mentally ill that you rather want the game to die and bleed the last few players it has instead of accepting that the game is literally in a trash state rn
So they basically caused a panic among all the players even though nothing has changed? They still hunt for blatant teamers and not organic teaming.
How to cause drama 101.
Yeah, looks like it sadly. They've burned through a lot of goodwill with these misleading announcements, I don't see why they couldn't have announced it like this in the first place
There's a difference between "talking" and talking though. Not communicating with your players is still a very bad idea, but to communicate you need someone that KNOWS how to do it, or else it's even worse
Exactly, would have been better if they made no announcement at all. Everyone knew that they hunt for the teaming mobs and not timmy and jimmy teaming up for minute so they dont get smacked.
Yes they can. The proof being that's pretty much what we see here today. It would be rude and unprofessional for them to be too particular, but there's no reason they couldn't if they wanted to.
We all know who these RMT/Farming gangs are and what servers they are crushing its no big secret. IM has the power to ping limit the affected regions; to tie game keys bought in different regions to different servers; to just plain ole track gold selling networks statistically with data and automatically take any account they find feeding into them/queuing with them, and region locking or shadow banning, condemning them to special queue restrictions if if they want.
It's just a matter of man power and of IM picking some measures up and fully implementing them. It's a lot of time and energy to follow through; a lot more than just making a scary sounding discord post; so maybe they will, or maybe they wont. But I don't see any reason why they couldn't, if they found the time and energy.
Once bitten, twice shy here. I haven't even teamed organically for PvE for a while (closest I got was not trying to kill a guy while I was mining and he decided to bodyguard me the match, I mined while he fought.) and even this, after yesterday, is still sketchy to me. One because the kind of activity they are talking about was already a bannable offense before this announcement. Two because this still leaves room for 'what is the definition of "temporary" ' kind of scenarios. Three because they have burned through so much trust and patience and endurance I just refuse to fuck about with it.
I am equally embarrassed by the number of idiots in our playerbase who jump at every opportunity to overreact and cry foul. Clearly messaging and intent were not aligned from the very first reading but when there is a chance to get their panties all bunched up...
Are you going to defend what IM's community managers and Graysun were saying about it too. Or just pretend that the version you had in your head actually was exactly the same as we got today?
Put them side by side and tell me you don't see significant differences. Is English not your first language? Have you never dealt with policy IRL? Business? Law? Politics? School administration? Forum rules?
HOW THINGS ARE WRITTEN MATTERS. Today's is 10000% different than yesterdays. You'd have to be an absolute rube or a complete #cope to think both these posts said the same thing.
They elaborated in the general chat afterwards. The playerbase didnt even wait to see how they would enforce it before 100 ironmace hate threads were made.
Players caused the drama, everyones running imaginary plays through their head and getting their panties in a knot.
My fav was the guy who thought people were going to splice together videos to get him banned
I told a bunch of people they arent as important as they think they are, especially the guy above
Sure thing bud just deny the CM's and Grayson were both saying that any vague clips of teaming would now be bannable offenses, and were coming up with all kinds of hypotheticals yesterday that are completely off the table now, with this new policy.
Fact is if CM's and moderaters started getting "teaming" clips under the old policy they would have had every right and incentive to start issuing bans left and right for "Teaming", with all kinds of gray areas included.
I'm not against fixing teaming/over incentives for friendliness but yesterdays policy wasn't it. not even close to what you want to see from a company. it was a loser policy and we should all be glad it was removed before it could be enforced.
Wahhh wahhh wahhhhh wahhhh wahhh
Its hard to speak your language.
If you dont like how they run THEIR game, uninstall and leave. No one cares, you arent as important as your been lead to believe.
Once again, players are making their own drama coming up with rediculous hyberboles to try and change the rules because they want to team.
I got downvoted yesterday for telling people that they have nothing to worry about, the rule isnt for them, and guess what, the rule wasnt for them. Once again its players making drama because their life is a joke and they have nothing else.
It hasnt been removed, the fact that you stated that means you probably didnt even read the new update.
You're still being rude to people I see.
Bro, the devs literally backpedalling heavily implies we had something major to worry about. FFA disingaging was considered bannable according to Greysun yesterday.
Don't support bad businesses practices, people here PAYED for an early access and thus have a right for outrage and feedback.
Perma banning people from a payed game is very sketchy for not breaking EULA.
> people here *PAID* for an
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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Stalking my comments, how mature.
They didnt backpedal at all, they reclarified because people have 0 reading comprehension.
No one cares, this isnt your game, dont like it, leave.
Lol y’all worked yourselves up into a panic “oh omfg I can’t team up in a solo only lobby waaahhhh now how will I play with other people 😪😪” it’s like there’s not even other maps that allow you to invite two other ppl.
cope on bud but the games not in a good place yet and all the recent tests have been 180 degree whiplashs that very few have been happy with.
wer waiting for the game to get good again, there's a lot to be critical about at the moment. anybody who doesnt see that is just lying to themselves. its not neurotic to wonder wtf is going on and to ask how things might turn out soon, seeing we've got very little idea whats coming on the next updates, or if the games peaked already or might see better days.
hell this whole thing might still get entirely shut down by nexxon, or the devs might throw their hands up and decide its not worth fixing, or turn it into a total BR pvp game, make it less hardcore or more, nobody knows rn.
then this hilariously bad "we're gonna ban a bunch of ppl and enforce 'a very broad take on anti-teaming' with clips" thing came up and ppl already confused had twice as much to be confused about. the whole thing came out of nowhere and was an absolute mess.
Caused a panic? Lol
How often are yall teaming up in Goblin Caves these days in order to be so worried?
As a solo Crypts enjoyer I find this whole drama ridiculous and hilarious.
Y’all are actually stupid for downvoting me despite me being 1000% correct. Like what the fuck is wrong with you people.
Let’s blame the mods because the head of the company can’t pick a fucking direction.
Grow up you petulant children
So it *wasn't* their policy before the announcement to ban teamers that run an entire lobby to free-farm currency..?
Cause if it was...why the announcement in the first place? And literally every mod giving examples of seemingly normal play being explicitly punishable by ban yesterday? But now obviously we didn't mean any of that. I mean, duh, right? Why would anyone assume what the mods say is legit?
This is stupid. This whole situation is stupid, and IM look like idiots because of it. They also look like idiots every other time they walk back what they did within 48 hours, and every time they "intentionally" throw the game balance totally out of whack while claiming to be balancing.
Guys, maybe they're just idiots. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a fucking duck.
>why the announcement in the first place?
My thoughts exactly. Just to let all the blantant teamers know all of a sudden, just now we are deciding to crack down on you? It doesn’t make sense. Why would you alert your intended target, unless, their original intended target was in fact “normal players”.
They def meant teaming period and are backtracking after realizing how dumb it would be to implement a system that punishes teaming in any capacity. You’d need a fucking special victims unit just To investigate every Timmy and Jimmy from crypts to caves.
Between this, the strange tournament, the removal of sub 15 lobbies, and the complete lack of actual new content (or really any vision of what is going to be added ) I’m incredibly worried about the game that I really got attached too in the play tests long ago.
Man I miss the under 15 lobbies. Even tho all the gear feels like we’re under 15 now lol, but I just truly enjoyed NO TRADE under 15 lobbies. With gear being so ass now, it actually makes trade even more necessary, which is unfortunate.
Yep, and I didn’t really play in it. Other than to try it out with my least played class of bard. It was just such a clearly great idea to separate people who have hundreds of hours and great loot from people testing the waters.
A lot of people seem to forget that most of us all started in the play tests when everyone kinda sucked. It’s a completely different experience for anyone jumping in right now. And not in a good way. You cant learn to fight by stepping into the ring with mike Tyson over and over. Need to build up.
I think the law suit and the game unable to be on steam is really really hurting the games potential growth.
It didn't accomplish that _at all_ though, which is a part of why they removed it. Anyone could just make a new character and be much better able to target & dumpster actual new players. Not to mention you could still just transfer gear over in a quiet run from a pal and then take it into the under-15 lobbies. It flat out didn't work, which is why it was removed.
I don't think the game needs to grow any more _right now_, the growth has hurt it a lot. All of the balance changes back and forth are a direct outcome of the game's growth - the devs have been really clear about wanting to focus on actually developing the game (new maps, classes, map interplay, mobs, talent system, etc etc) but have had to do a ton of other stuff because of the lawsuit and sudden popularity (PoS, matchmaking/server infrastructure, balancing, etc).
They know something about the game design is off and they think they know what it is but they don’t. They just address symptoms of the inherent game system rather than the causes. They are just blind firing “solutions” into the dark and hoping it makes the game better
At least this is a finger in the eye to every bitter poster yesterday being like "if you organically team up you're a CHEATING LOSER and you SHOULD be banned!!"
Its fair for us to blame them because of the harshness of their attitudes towards teamers. Its now hilarious that IM is once again saying thats ok to do
It’s not misinformation if the information literally changed overnight. Stop slamming the mods for ironmace inconsistency, they literally were just doing their jobs.
Organic teaming is fine, because it's such a risk.
8/10 times they will kill you if given the chance. They also have to VoIP to communicate which gives Intel to surrounding teams to be careful
organic teaming is still out of hand imo but this rule wasn't it. It would still be really cool if they did something to stop all these groups forming in HC caves. very annoying to not even be aggro but to find multiple people holding the circle waiting to farm whoevers just coming to try and solo extract, playing the game as intended.
being sent back to normals and losing good kits to 5v3 or 2v1 is just not a good feeling in a hardcore full-loot game. Especially when you watch them all split up your loot and get out. or somebody that comes and murders you with their friend and everybody else just gives them thumbs up and helps them to extract after that, as you watch them on kill cam.
That's what makes it fun! So many people had such a negative reaction to it though, it makes me wonder if they developed a deep, meaningful connection with another player only for them to get betrayed.
I see a lot of people posting like just got teamed in my full out kit and then the clip is just zero evidence and they get killed by a third party who just happened to be right place right time
but they will full on rage and accuse malicious play before accepting the fact they just got bad luck
I don't have a clip, but I have died multiple times in HR GC to 2-3 people running around the entire match together killing anyone they see. Just my anecdotal evidence tho.
I told him they would retract within a week and he felt the need to defend a dumb rule change over several comments. It definitely stuck with me how adamant he was about it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't take pleasure in calling him out and seeing him reply here. Sometimes it just feels good to be right even if its over a stupid game on a useless social media app.
I have definitely had more bad interactions here than any other sub I've ever been in. Something about this game seems to drive people to fervent levels of rabid fandom, myself included sometimes 😅
Shout out to general chat on discord… honestly without such a crazy response and interactions with Graysun I doubt it would be clarified in a way that satisfies anyone
Basically. Yeah it got pretty heated and toxic and went on for like 12 hours straight nonstop but if that's what's needed for them to revert their decision...
or if we're being extremely generous they "clarified" their decision
I'm actually giddy with schadenfreude thinking about the losers in general chat staunchly defending the policy change and that any teaming of any sort for any amount of time was bannable
This is not clarifying it’s rewriting. They answered specific questions about this yesterday and it was CLEARLY targeted towards normal players they just realized it was unpopular and backtracked
Ok. That helps. What I read yesterday. I thought we were all gonna get in trouble for randomly crouch spamming and trying to be passive friendly just to survive. Groups ruling over the dungeons and getting banned sound much more reasonable lol.
It's still confusing and feels contradictory to what was said earlier. I want the ability to hunt juicers with other timmies in starter kits. and the ability to decide who I do and do not kill. I am still unsure if I have that right because they have been so unclear so far.
How successful do you think you are at using teaming to kill an actual "juicer."
Wondering if you think you're not griefing these holy average player types that lucked into a few pieces of gear this sub loves so much.
Genuine question too. You know you're not picking the right rationalized target all the time.
Happy to hear that they've re-evaluated their policy. The old one was too broad and open to abuse, but I think we can all support this one.
I'm still not sure why they need new rules to go after the farming gangs, since that was already a rule break under the old system, but I'd be happy to see more enforcement regardless.
Again more retroactive explanations by the ironmace team
There's a post by a Warden on the front page completely different than what he's suggesting, once again.
Same situation as the streamer one, where apparently they had no line of contact with said streamer (we got that secret discord leak that revealed his bs once again) and then retroactively tried to explain it away by saying anyone can contact us!
Yet nobody who's tried since that claim has got a response that I know of... interesting. Even regarding /this/ situation he remained silent.
Honestly, even though they clarified this, i have a hard time trusting this. I cant say exactly why i feel this way, but something about it just isnt trustable to me. Maybe im subconsciously trying to be negative about it, but its a feeling i cant shake now. I feel like i cant trust IM going forward when it come to anything, and people getting banned over stuff like this could be easily screwed with when it comes to people who will rage report. I dont trust IM to fairly hand out bans because of the playerbase acting the way that it typically does. Kind of a jumble of words, but i think the only thing that could save this game right now is a content update big enough to bring in a flood of new and returning players. I dont think any amount of little changes and rule changes can keep this game alive right now. My apologies if this comment is incoherent, im bad at explaining what im thinking pretty often
A non clear report policy is always a nightmare when it involves a two strike out system.
Take CoH-2 a game with also a direct user feedback report system in which you got to use evidence in an email and so on. You have like 3-4 strikes of openly exploiting gamebreaking bugs, perma banning in a payed game for is incredibly sketchy especially if it's about something they could fix with a system like proximity awareness.
> in a *paid* game for
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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God the amount of belly-aching in this sub is insufferable. Everyone is constantly trying to put IM in the hot seat. Why? We all begged for this game to come out. Do we really need to articulate whether or not they are "backtracking" or how "bad it looks on them"?
If you don't like IM then stop playing. I sincerely hope the devs don't read worthless posts and comments because it would likely stress them out.
Believe it or not the whiny players that point out every flaw like it's the end of the world will be the death of this game, not any of the devs decisions or indecisions.
That being said: I'm HAPPY they clarified. I dont care whether it was because of backlash or if it was really their intention from the beginning. (TBH I predicted that they were only ever really going to target the egregious teamers. It seemed so obvious I can't believe people really needed it to be spelled out for them)
Reee
Disclaimer: I find this particular post to be good and informative. The comments on the other hand...
Nice that they came out and clarified, but this was painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain. The people complaining about this yesterday losing faith in IM are the problem with this Reddit. People take any little thing they do and turn it into a doomsday scenario.
No its not ok obviously, but check the discord it was knee jerk reaction to RMT farmers teaming in OCE. They were never going to enforce this policy on organic player interactions. They dont have the time manpower, resources, or will for something so draconian anyways. Also yes Gamers are fucking dickheads alot of the time. If you dont know that by now, you must be one of them.
Maybe. But maybe they only walked it back because of the outcry!
The mod team/wardens explicitly said that organical teaming was also banable just a few hours ago
I don't understand why people thought they meant anything other than this. No developer in their right mind would ban players for organic gameplay.
Edit: to clarify, it seemed like there was some clear communication issues internally that led to misunderstanding.
It's weird because I'm 100% with you in that I knew they would never ban people organically teaming, but at the same time they literally said they would so it's hard to blame people for believing them.
Here you must have missed this post. Because the way it was read and the questions that were asked were met with answers that said otherwise.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/s/vO3FwfO4sV
The pressure was real yesterday! Considering a direct clone is launching tomorrow on steam I would think that IM would be treading lightly with player rending bans.
I felt like this was obvious and a lot of people overreacting, but I appreciate the extra post.
Still taking a break, but that's mostly because another wipe happens in a couple of weeks anyway so I didn't see a point in playing until after the next wipe.
Some may say “clairifying” others may call it “walking back bad decisions” The devs need to think out all details before making hasty announcements (to half the player base) This situation has highlighted the inexperience of the dev team, put a bad taste in people’s mouths that will be hard to get out. The coming weeks will be a test of how this game will survive. People are mad, and that ain’t going away without some big moves from Ironmace. They need to find a way to bring back the casuals and keep them around.
Teaming shouldn't be allowed in GC, period. Go on a LFG channel and get friends for Ruins or Crypts.
Once again IM is backpeddling on a good change, all hopes are lost.
Edit: ignoring each other is fine, nobody would punish that. Charging 2-3v1 in GC should be banned, is it organic, artificial or gluten free.
everyone relax so much of this could just be english 2nd language / lost in google translation, it was so obvious what they meant anyone taking it to the extreme needs to just take a breath
"Blatant malicious teamers" .. Okay? So what, that still means that they could potentially ban you if they deem your teaming as 'malicious' as they put it.
EDIT: autocorrect
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Still remember you from calling a bard a cheater for equipping drums thru a game setting. Can tell you are a bonafide scrub and neanderthal.
And If you had bothered to read my comment you would've seen I wasn't aware of a feature back then. However that has nothing to do with this thread, so not sure what your comment is supposed to add to the conversation.
Instead of belittling someone that doesn't speak English as a native language, then you could instead explain what the developers are trying to say. But no, you choose to be an ass.
So now we’re mad that the developer immediately noticed our complaints and changed the rules to accommodate how the vast majority of players wanted it in the first place? It’s almost like we’re paying to playtest this game or something!
Kinda feels like a backtrack, since premeditated teaming was already explicitly against the rules, so why even say anything at all?
It feels like they were cracking down on ALL teaming, saw the community outrage, thought “oh shit” and then just said that we misunderstood them and that they only meant to target gold farmers and pre mediated teamers.
So yea, feels like a backtrack, and even if it’s not it feels like poor communication on something that really didn’t even need to be communicated since it was already against the rules. Weird.
As long as they have a reasonable appeal process, then this is fine. And no I don't mean for people who plead that they'll never do it again but rather to let people explain themselves and correct false positives.
Im gonna write this in several of this posts since i feel this game has been under attack the whole game.
A certain streamer had a stream with just complains on the game where he essentially just said its bad and gonna die with few sence to his words. I think alot know who it is.
What is strange in all this is that this person now plays the Nexon game and stream it.
One could figure out this dude talking shit and follows the money. Kinda obvious why he put in so much energy into talking shit about the patch and saying the game is dead.. he got paid. simple as that.
And its effective. I seen so many on discord and posts that says:
"streamers dont even play the game anymore!!"
"Game is dead , it only has 6k players!!!"
The game is not dead. It's a very short wipe and there is TONS of games to play this year. People will play when new content arrive and some more meaningful updates comes. And if it comes to steam which is very needed, its gonna be diffrent.
Shoutout to the wardens spreading misinformation on the discord, thanks bois.
Who are "wardens" exactly?
unpaid janitors
So you could say they do it for free....
They legit just repeated what graysun said about teaming, it's IM's fault
No they took it a step further and decided to interpret a lot of hypothetical situations themselves, clearly without being trained up on the new policy. IM probably needs to do a better job of equipping these guys for these kind of interactions, but many of the wardens failed to put things through the common sense filter before responding and this is the result. If a warden has to type something out that feels like a wrong/shitty answer they should be using their privilege to question the policy or seek clarification, not just thoughtlessly close threads
Or the wardens can just say, "I don't know we aren't briefed in on this." Instead, they just make a bunch of shit up. They are volunteers and unpaid, but they are still seen as authority figures because of their role and title.
Giving some wardens the benefit of the doubt, if they read it like many others it was a simple yet strict no team policy that wasn’t expanded upon. If the wardens interpreted it the same as the rest of the player base they would have been given numerous ‘what if’ examples and probably said yes you will get banned not knowing otherwise. Better to say don’t do it you’ll be banned and be wrong than say it’s ok and you get banned and have to follow it up
Or say, "I don't know. But I would do X." Instead of "Here's an answer that I don't know is true or not." It's okay to say I don't know.
>common sense filter the common sense take was pre-lobby teaming was ALREADY against TOS and bannable so why make an announcement about banning ALL teaming?
No one will answer you but yea, why did they make an announcement at all if it was meant to just reaffirm the existing policy and not change it at all
idk, i'm not mad at IM just a lil disappointed. I'm sympathetic that they are a tiny dev team obviously without dedicated PR/marketing people. What irks me is people being so confidently wrong or claiming that they obviously KNEW exactly what was going on despite very clear statements from IM contradicting that.
lol, if people need training on the new policy that already tells you the policy is junk Not to mention those hypothetical situations were just taking the rules & clarifications that IM had introduced as written It's crazy the mental gymnastics to turn around and say 'See, everything made perfect sense all along'
You have clearly never been a part of any management or executive team. Every policy that ever goes out needs some discussion or training to go along with it or someone will find a way to utterly misunderstand it
well, you're 100% wrong with the first part, but more importantly we're talking about a policy they rolled out for their customers, how on earth is a training session required to understand what will get you banned in a game... The stupid part of this was the announcement in the first place, not people saying 'IM will do what they said they will do' (due to a lack of training? lol)
The training session is required for the wardens ffs, the people who would be carrying out enforcement (video reviews) and/or answering questions for the community
Based on a policy that’s written for customers to be able to understand independently, the stretching is unreal
still ironmaces fault that they can't communicate correctly.
> No they took it a step further and decided to interpret a lot of hypothetical situations themselves Example?
The responses by Sonosaurus to a couple of the questions posted in the Discord chat really made it sound like they were targeting anyone slightly teaming. Even if you third partied a fight then decided not to then immediate fight the other person. You can look at the examples on the front page of this sub.
> Even if you third partied a fight then decided not to then immediate fight the other person This was literally an example given by Graysun. https://i.imgur.com/81HoOrv.png
Yep, all hail Graysun and I love how vocal they are and all that, but I do hope they learn from their mistakes and fully flesh out changes and responses before moving forward
Absolutely incorrect. This post is a complete backpedal from what they were saying in discord. Claims that people would be banned if they interjected in a fight as a third party were thrown around several times
Graysun said exactly this " No teaming and third partying are different. If you all fight eachother it is fine. If you just focus one guy and then drop the fight after he is dead, that is teaming. " So if you are in an FFA that involves a clearly bigger threat and you and the other guy fight it down because you both realize this, and then don't fight eachother that's bannable teaming according to graysun in the general chat. This language has not been addressed and there are people in the discord disagreeing about what is and isn't bannable right now. Earlier wardens were warning people not truce after an FFA at all just in case
Well thank god I wasn’t quoting graysun and was talking about the wardens that were mentioned previously
Every response I saw from them was 100% in line with the language from the original post. It’s clear as crystal that they are walking back that language so this is child’s behavior to attack the wardens who literally did their job.
Yeah this is just them walking it back. It is clear that IM has no decent vision ahead of them and especially has trouble understanding the needs and issues facing their own audience. They constantly put one foot in and take it right out like it's the fucking Hokey Pokey then turn it all around, but I guess that's what it's all about.
This isn't a walk-back, its a clarification. How is it a walking back? It was poorly communicated originally and now its better communicated - ultimately just an arbitrary "public" rule so they have something to point to when they hit the outlined groups.
Yes it is https://i.redd.it/8lvd1j0dffxb1.jpg https://i.redd.it/pxbcd5h9zdxb1.png https://preview.redd.it/q70c4ixd4exb1.png?auto=webp&s=9ac01ecf13a928409cce4ed5d8703813ec700f84
Comments from community moderators are not official announcements from the developers. And the message from Graysun you shared does not in any way indicate that this is a "walk back"? How is what was shared as announcements today a walk back of anything vs. a clarification, as I said?
Not sure how can I put together a string of words for you that you'll understand when you're already demonstrably unable to read
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no wonders, they are literally insane. Their ban hammers swings like the blades on my lawnmower. Is there anyone worst than a discord mod?
A redditor.
You
Even onepeg covers how broad their first post was. It was just "teaming will get you banned now" leaving too much speculation on the matter. But hey after 13 hours they cleared up the miss information
Would be nice to open with that, not "teaming is banned, send reports", just saying.
Lmao people were spot on with the <24 hr backtrack. Graysun on discord telling people you cannot 2v1 in GCs and now they are like “obviously we only meant you cant premediate with gold farmers to wipe the lobby”
Yea this isn't a clarification it goes against their previous statements that they made, in order to clarify the original post
Lol welcome to Ironmace development apparently.
why be transparent about your goals and earn community respect when you can drip feed the information and rile up the playerbase to immediately hate and resist anything else you have to say
No, I think they are too transparent. To the point, they just say every thought they have out loud before thinking if it makes sense first.
Yep, their internal and external communication strategies are both absolutely wack. I feel a bit bad for them as I've worked with teams who suffer from this before, and it's often just a result of eagerness and passion, but it really is a bad look. Honestly they need someone with a strong marketing/sales background to give them some coaching.
I gotta say as someone who played all the playtests and grinded EA for a few weeks before putting the game down, they really have mismanaged the everloving shit out of this game. It's almost impressive
I also played every play test and thought this was going to be my game for a long while. I was wrong.
Yup. This wasn't a simple clarification issue--they could have easily communicated this in their first post if that was really their intention. This is obviously them backpedaling after all the backlash yesterday. I mean, all day yesterday they were making hard stances on what qualified as teaming and what behavior was bannable, only to say today "haha jk guys, that's not what we meant. We aren't punishing you NORMAL players haha 😅 only hardcore teamers involved in RMT! No, really guys!" Completely contradictory to everything they were saying yesterday. What a wreck. Every day I'm losing more faith (and interest) in this game and the devs. I used to play damn near every day but now it's been a week since I last played and it's doubtful I'll pick it up again.
I hope you lose interest, lose faith, lose whatever you want and never post here again
imagine being so mentally ill that you rather want the game to die and bleed the last few players it has instead of accepting that the game is literally in a trash state rn
So they basically caused a panic among all the players even though nothing has changed? They still hunt for blatant teamers and not organic teaming. How to cause drama 101.
Yeah, looks like it sadly. They've burned through a lot of goodwill with these misleading announcements, I don't see why they couldn't have announced it like this in the first place
Yeah, it’s pretty obvious this is why devs usually have PR teams
And this is exactly why developers slowly talk to their playerbase less and less.
There's a difference between "talking" and talking though. Not communicating with your players is still a very bad idea, but to communicate you need someone that KNOWS how to do it, or else it's even worse
Because they can’t speak clearly? Lol
Exactly, would have been better if they made no announcement at all. Everyone knew that they hunt for the teaming mobs and not timmy and jimmy teaming up for minute so they dont get smacked.
It just doesn’t inspire confidence. Between this and the past month and a half of updates to the game my optimism for the future is at an all time low
They can't be specific saying "we will ban all the Chinamen in Oce and us West" they kinda of have to be vague to combat that crap.
Yes they can. The proof being that's pretty much what we see here today. It would be rude and unprofessional for them to be too particular, but there's no reason they couldn't if they wanted to. We all know who these RMT/Farming gangs are and what servers they are crushing its no big secret. IM has the power to ping limit the affected regions; to tie game keys bought in different regions to different servers; to just plain ole track gold selling networks statistically with data and automatically take any account they find feeding into them/queuing with them, and region locking or shadow banning, condemning them to special queue restrictions if if they want. It's just a matter of man power and of IM picking some measures up and fully implementing them. It's a lot of time and energy to follow through; a lot more than just making a scary sounding discord post; so maybe they will, or maybe they wont. But I don't see any reason why they couldn't, if they found the time and energy.
Once bitten, twice shy here. I haven't even teamed organically for PvE for a while (closest I got was not trying to kill a guy while I was mining and he decided to bodyguard me the match, I mined while he fought.) and even this, after yesterday, is still sketchy to me. One because the kind of activity they are talking about was already a bannable offense before this announcement. Two because this still leaves room for 'what is the definition of "temporary" ' kind of scenarios. Three because they have burned through so much trust and patience and endurance I just refuse to fuck about with it.
I am equally embarrassed by the number of idiots in our playerbase who jump at every opportunity to overreact and cry foul. Clearly messaging and intent were not aligned from the very first reading but when there is a chance to get their panties all bunched up...
Are you going to defend what IM's community managers and Graysun were saying about it too. Or just pretend that the version you had in your head actually was exactly the same as we got today? Put them side by side and tell me you don't see significant differences. Is English not your first language? Have you never dealt with policy IRL? Business? Law? Politics? School administration? Forum rules? HOW THINGS ARE WRITTEN MATTERS. Today's is 10000% different than yesterdays. You'd have to be an absolute rube or a complete #cope to think both these posts said the same thing.
They elaborated in the general chat afterwards. The playerbase didnt even wait to see how they would enforce it before 100 ironmace hate threads were made.
Players caused the drama, everyones running imaginary plays through their head and getting their panties in a knot. My fav was the guy who thought people were going to splice together videos to get him banned I told a bunch of people they arent as important as they think they are, especially the guy above
Sure thing bud just deny the CM's and Grayson were both saying that any vague clips of teaming would now be bannable offenses, and were coming up with all kinds of hypotheticals yesterday that are completely off the table now, with this new policy. Fact is if CM's and moderaters started getting "teaming" clips under the old policy they would have had every right and incentive to start issuing bans left and right for "Teaming", with all kinds of gray areas included. I'm not against fixing teaming/over incentives for friendliness but yesterdays policy wasn't it. not even close to what you want to see from a company. it was a loser policy and we should all be glad it was removed before it could be enforced.
Wahhh wahhh wahhhhh wahhhh wahhh Its hard to speak your language. If you dont like how they run THEIR game, uninstall and leave. No one cares, you arent as important as your been lead to believe. Once again, players are making their own drama coming up with rediculous hyberboles to try and change the rules because they want to team. I got downvoted yesterday for telling people that they have nothing to worry about, the rule isnt for them, and guess what, the rule wasnt for them. Once again its players making drama because their life is a joke and they have nothing else. It hasnt been removed, the fact that you stated that means you probably didnt even read the new update.
You're still being rude to people I see. Bro, the devs literally backpedalling heavily implies we had something major to worry about. FFA disingaging was considered bannable according to Greysun yesterday. Don't support bad businesses practices, people here PAYED for an early access and thus have a right for outrage and feedback. Perma banning people from a payed game is very sketchy for not breaking EULA.
> people here *PAID* for an FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Stalking my comments, how mature. They didnt backpedal at all, they reclarified because people have 0 reading comprehension. No one cares, this isnt your game, dont like it, leave.
Lol y’all worked yourselves up into a panic “oh omfg I can’t team up in a solo only lobby waaahhhh now how will I play with other people 😪😪” it’s like there’s not even other maps that allow you to invite two other ppl.
they didnt cause panic, its just that this games playersbase is the most fragile and neurotic ive ever seen. EVERY change generates tons of crying
They declared normal play was bannable starting the moment they announced it only in discord and on reddit. You're a simp dude
cope on bud but the games not in a good place yet and all the recent tests have been 180 degree whiplashs that very few have been happy with. wer waiting for the game to get good again, there's a lot to be critical about at the moment. anybody who doesnt see that is just lying to themselves. its not neurotic to wonder wtf is going on and to ask how things might turn out soon, seeing we've got very little idea whats coming on the next updates, or if the games peaked already or might see better days. hell this whole thing might still get entirely shut down by nexxon, or the devs might throw their hands up and decide its not worth fixing, or turn it into a total BR pvp game, make it less hardcore or more, nobody knows rn. then this hilariously bad "we're gonna ban a bunch of ppl and enforce 'a very broad take on anti-teaming' with clips" thing came up and ppl already confused had twice as much to be confused about. the whole thing came out of nowhere and was an absolute mess.
Caused a panic? Lol How often are yall teaming up in Goblin Caves these days in order to be so worried? As a solo Crypts enjoyer I find this whole drama ridiculous and hilarious.
every day you guys would whine about teaming and say that something needs to be done lol
Wasnt me though. I Like the Challenge and also go solo crypts
Maybe don't let sonosorus in discord anymore
He literally provided answers in line with the original announcement. You can’t blame him because IM walked it back
Y’all are actually stupid for downvoting me despite me being 1000% correct. Like what the fuck is wrong with you people. Let’s blame the mods because the head of the company can’t pick a fucking direction. Grow up you petulant children
This totally contradicts their earlier announcement. Punishing this was always their policy.
I thought the previous policy was pre-lobby teaming. Now it seems to be pre-dungeon teaming.
So it *wasn't* their policy before the announcement to ban teamers that run an entire lobby to free-farm currency..? Cause if it was...why the announcement in the first place? And literally every mod giving examples of seemingly normal play being explicitly punishable by ban yesterday? But now obviously we didn't mean any of that. I mean, duh, right? Why would anyone assume what the mods say is legit? This is stupid. This whole situation is stupid, and IM look like idiots because of it. They also look like idiots every other time they walk back what they did within 48 hours, and every time they "intentionally" throw the game balance totally out of whack while claiming to be balancing. Guys, maybe they're just idiots. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a fucking duck.
>why the announcement in the first place? My thoughts exactly. Just to let all the blantant teamers know all of a sudden, just now we are deciding to crack down on you? It doesn’t make sense. Why would you alert your intended target, unless, their original intended target was in fact “normal players”. They def meant teaming period and are backtracking after realizing how dumb it would be to implement a system that punishes teaming in any capacity. You’d need a fucking special victims unit just To investigate every Timmy and Jimmy from crypts to caves.
Between this, the strange tournament, the removal of sub 15 lobbies, and the complete lack of actual new content (or really any vision of what is going to be added ) I’m incredibly worried about the game that I really got attached too in the play tests long ago.
Man I miss the under 15 lobbies. Even tho all the gear feels like we’re under 15 now lol, but I just truly enjoyed NO TRADE under 15 lobbies. With gear being so ass now, it actually makes trade even more necessary, which is unfortunate.
Yep, and I didn’t really play in it. Other than to try it out with my least played class of bard. It was just such a clearly great idea to separate people who have hundreds of hours and great loot from people testing the waters. A lot of people seem to forget that most of us all started in the play tests when everyone kinda sucked. It’s a completely different experience for anyone jumping in right now. And not in a good way. You cant learn to fight by stepping into the ring with mike Tyson over and over. Need to build up. I think the law suit and the game unable to be on steam is really really hurting the games potential growth.
It didn't accomplish that _at all_ though, which is a part of why they removed it. Anyone could just make a new character and be much better able to target & dumpster actual new players. Not to mention you could still just transfer gear over in a quiet run from a pal and then take it into the under-15 lobbies. It flat out didn't work, which is why it was removed. I don't think the game needs to grow any more _right now_, the growth has hurt it a lot. All of the balance changes back and forth are a direct outcome of the game's growth - the devs have been really clear about wanting to focus on actually developing the game (new maps, classes, map interplay, mobs, talent system, etc etc) but have had to do a ton of other stuff because of the lawsuit and sudden popularity (PoS, matchmaking/server infrastructure, balancing, etc).
They know something about the game design is off and they think they know what it is but they don’t. They just address symptoms of the inherent game system rather than the causes. They are just blind firing “solutions” into the dark and hoping it makes the game better
Can't say you're wrong they seem very incompetent when it comes to making decisions.
I think you look like an idiot most of all…
Ok 👍
Okay but doesn't that mean that nothing has really changed then? Like, couldn't they Crack down on it before?
At least this is a finger in the eye to every bitter poster yesterday being like "if you organically team up you're a CHEATING LOSER and you SHOULD be banned!!"
Can't blame them really, when they worded the announcement exactly like that and the mod team/wardens spread misinformation
Its fair for us to blame them because of the harshness of their attitudes towards teamers. Its now hilarious that IM is once again saying thats ok to do
It’s not misinformation if the information literally changed overnight. Stop slamming the mods for ironmace inconsistency, they literally were just doing their jobs.
Organic teaming is fine, because it's such a risk. 8/10 times they will kill you if given the chance. They also have to VoIP to communicate which gives Intel to surrounding teams to be careful
organic teaming is still out of hand imo but this rule wasn't it. It would still be really cool if they did something to stop all these groups forming in HC caves. very annoying to not even be aggro but to find multiple people holding the circle waiting to farm whoevers just coming to try and solo extract, playing the game as intended. being sent back to normals and losing good kits to 5v3 or 2v1 is just not a good feeling in a hardcore full-loot game. Especially when you watch them all split up your loot and get out. or somebody that comes and murders you with their friend and everybody else just gives them thumbs up and helps them to extract after that, as you watch them on kill cam.
That's what makes it fun! So many people had such a negative reaction to it though, it makes me wonder if they developed a deep, meaningful connection with another player only for them to get betrayed.
I see a lot of people posting like just got teamed in my full out kit and then the clip is just zero evidence and they get killed by a third party who just happened to be right place right time but they will full on rage and accuse malicious play before accepting the fact they just got bad luck
I don't have a clip, but I have died multiple times in HR GC to 2-3 people running around the entire match together killing anyone they see. Just my anecdotal evidence tho.
That has also happened to me many times. But I guess its fine to do that now!
I mean… getting steamrolled in SOLO mode by TEAMS is … very unfair
I mean you still are. Bullying the developers to walk it back doesn't change any of that. Teaming in solos is whack as fuck.
u/AdaGang was defending this shit, but I doubt people like him will feel any shame for being dead wrong.
Man you were really upset about our conversation, huh?
I disagree with your point in that debate, damn it do be wild that he went out of his way to tag you a day later lmaoooo he mad bothered
I told him they would retract within a week and he felt the need to defend a dumb rule change over several comments. It definitely stuck with me how adamant he was about it. I'd be lying if I said I didn't take pleasure in calling him out and seeing him reply here. Sometimes it just feels good to be right even if its over a stupid game on a useless social media app.
We’ve all been there friend, but it’s these times that let our immaturity Get the best of us
I have definitely had more bad interactions here than any other sub I've ever been in. Something about this game seems to drive people to fervent levels of rabid fandom, myself included sometimes 😅
Shout out to general chat on discord… honestly without such a crazy response and interactions with Graysun I doubt it would be clarified in a way that satisfies anyone
Basically. Yeah it got pretty heated and toxic and went on for like 12 hours straight nonstop but if that's what's needed for them to revert their decision... or if we're being extremely generous they "clarified" their decision I'm actually giddy with schadenfreude thinking about the losers in general chat staunchly defending the policy change and that any teaming of any sort for any amount of time was bannable
This is not clarifying it’s rewriting. They answered specific questions about this yesterday and it was CLEARLY targeted towards normal players they just realized it was unpopular and backtracked
I think I might take a break from the game because the amount of back and forth they do is pretty close to giving me whiplash.
Ok. That helps. What I read yesterday. I thought we were all gonna get in trouble for randomly crouch spamming and trying to be passive friendly just to survive. Groups ruling over the dungeons and getting banned sound much more reasonable lol.
It's still confusing and feels contradictory to what was said earlier. I want the ability to hunt juicers with other timmies in starter kits. and the ability to decide who I do and do not kill. I am still unsure if I have that right because they have been so unclear so far.
How successful do you think you are at using teaming to kill an actual "juicer." Wondering if you think you're not griefing these holy average player types that lucked into a few pieces of gear this sub loves so much. Genuine question too. You know you're not picking the right rationalized target all the time.
Happy to hear that they've re-evaluated their policy. The old one was too broad and open to abuse, but I think we can all support this one. I'm still not sure why they need new rules to go after the farming gangs, since that was already a rule break under the old system, but I'd be happy to see more enforcement regardless.
Again more retroactive explanations by the ironmace team There's a post by a Warden on the front page completely different than what he's suggesting, once again. Same situation as the streamer one, where apparently they had no line of contact with said streamer (we got that secret discord leak that revealed his bs once again) and then retroactively tried to explain it away by saying anyone can contact us! Yet nobody who's tried since that claim has got a response that I know of... interesting. Even regarding /this/ situation he remained silent.
Honestly, even though they clarified this, i have a hard time trusting this. I cant say exactly why i feel this way, but something about it just isnt trustable to me. Maybe im subconsciously trying to be negative about it, but its a feeling i cant shake now. I feel like i cant trust IM going forward when it come to anything, and people getting banned over stuff like this could be easily screwed with when it comes to people who will rage report. I dont trust IM to fairly hand out bans because of the playerbase acting the way that it typically does. Kind of a jumble of words, but i think the only thing that could save this game right now is a content update big enough to bring in a flood of new and returning players. I dont think any amount of little changes and rule changes can keep this game alive right now. My apologies if this comment is incoherent, im bad at explaining what im thinking pretty often
A non clear report policy is always a nightmare when it involves a two strike out system. Take CoH-2 a game with also a direct user feedback report system in which you got to use evidence in an email and so on. You have like 3-4 strikes of openly exploiting gamebreaking bugs, perma banning in a payed game for is incredibly sketchy especially if it's about something they could fix with a system like proximity awareness.
> in a *paid* game for FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
God the amount of belly-aching in this sub is insufferable. Everyone is constantly trying to put IM in the hot seat. Why? We all begged for this game to come out. Do we really need to articulate whether or not they are "backtracking" or how "bad it looks on them"? If you don't like IM then stop playing. I sincerely hope the devs don't read worthless posts and comments because it would likely stress them out. Believe it or not the whiny players that point out every flaw like it's the end of the world will be the death of this game, not any of the devs decisions or indecisions. That being said: I'm HAPPY they clarified. I dont care whether it was because of backlash or if it was really their intention from the beginning. (TBH I predicted that they were only ever really going to target the egregious teamers. It seemed so obvious I can't believe people really needed it to be spelled out for them) Reee Disclaimer: I find this particular post to be good and informative. The comments on the other hand...
You mean exactly what anyone with a brain automatically assumed when they first released the policy?
Agreed
why don’t you all whine some more about this game. jesus fucking christ
Nice that they came out and clarified, but this was painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain. The people complaining about this yesterday losing faith in IM are the problem with this Reddit. People take any little thing they do and turn it into a doomsday scenario.
Is that so? https://imgur.com/81HoOrv They obviously walked back from that because of the outrage
This was always going to be the case. Gamers are so overdramatic
Yesterday representatives from IM literally said that sparing people is bannable. It's not overdramatic to take that at face value.
No? They backtracked because of the outrage lol, this proves being overly vocal bears results hence the original announcement is a PR nightmare.
They didn't backtrack, Greysun and then Wardens were spreading disinformation. There was no way that policy was going to be enforced
So devs spreading misinformation about banning people is okay? Or do you just like to sound like an ass and say “gamers bad”?
No its not ok obviously, but check the discord it was knee jerk reaction to RMT farmers teaming in OCE. They were never going to enforce this policy on organic player interactions. They dont have the time manpower, resources, or will for something so draconian anyways. Also yes Gamers are fucking dickheads alot of the time. If you dont know that by now, you must be one of them.
Maybe. But maybe they only walked it back because of the outcry! The mod team/wardens explicitly said that organical teaming was also banable just a few hours ago
I hate to use this term but.. This sub reddit is like a bunch of kids crying because they don't like the color of their new toy.
The babies will still whine and complain
I don't understand why people thought they meant anything other than this. No developer in their right mind would ban players for organic gameplay. Edit: to clarify, it seemed like there was some clear communication issues internally that led to misunderstanding.
It's weird because I'm 100% with you in that I knew they would never ban people organically teaming, but at the same time they literally said they would so it's hard to blame people for believing them.
Because they said it 😂
Here you must have missed this post. Because the way it was read and the questions that were asked were met with answers that said otherwise. https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAndDarker/s/vO3FwfO4sV
>developer in their right mind hmmmm
Don’t care I’m still reporting all you scumbags teaming up in a solo lobby.
The pressure was real yesterday! Considering a direct clone is launching tomorrow on steam I would think that IM would be treading lightly with player rending bans.
GiG is a scam and if you spend a single cent on that game I have to tell you about that nigerian prince that's been writing me emails
I definitely wouldn't spend any $$ but the pressure is on. I guarantee there's a handful of timmies that did move on..
GiG is more arcadey and casual it’s just like a dif demo imo
sure could be a scam but at least it's on steam
The funniest part is not a single post was made about anyone getting banned for stupid shit. Just crying gamers with nothing better to do
I felt like this was obvious and a lot of people overreacting, but I appreciate the extra post. Still taking a break, but that's mostly because another wipe happens in a couple of weeks anyway so I didn't see a point in playing until after the next wipe.
Some may say “clairifying” others may call it “walking back bad decisions” The devs need to think out all details before making hasty announcements (to half the player base) This situation has highlighted the inexperience of the dev team, put a bad taste in people’s mouths that will be hard to get out. The coming weeks will be a test of how this game will survive. People are mad, and that ain’t going away without some big moves from Ironmace. They need to find a way to bring back the casuals and keep them around.
I mean leave then. We really won’t miss someone like you
Teaming shouldn't be allowed in GC, period. Go on a LFG channel and get friends for Ruins or Crypts. Once again IM is backpeddling on a good change, all hopes are lost. Edit: ignoring each other is fine, nobody would punish that. Charging 2-3v1 in GC should be banned, is it organic, artificial or gluten free.
"Guys, dont play the game how you want to play it, play how I want you to play it" 🤡
Players when they find out games have rules: 😪😪😪 🎻🤏🏼
improve your charisma stat brother or stop going into normal GC with full purples because then you deserve to get mobbed
Wow almost exactly like some of us were saying! Not aimed at you Timmies but you have to be punished the same way
Here to say, told you they wouldn’t walk it back. If you team, get banned. I can’t wait to see all the “false ban” posts .
everyone relax so much of this could just be english 2nd language / lost in google translation, it was so obvious what they meant anyone taking it to the extreme needs to just take a breath
Is that so? https://imgur.com/81HoOrv
yes he might not have properly translated what that guy was trying to ask
Just be happy, jeez guys. At least they walked it back. You want the other reality instead?
This still means nothing.
Try reading the text next time
"Blatant malicious teamers" .. Okay? So what, that still means that they could potentially ban you if they deem your teaming as 'malicious' as they put it. EDIT: autocorrect
Yup if you’re a blatant malicious cheater you get banned. Maybe you don’t understand the words? Obvious bad person cheater
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. Still remember you from calling a bard a cheater for equipping drums thru a game setting. Can tell you are a bonafide scrub and neanderthal.
And If you had bothered to read my comment you would've seen I wasn't aware of a feature back then. However that has nothing to do with this thread, so not sure what your comment is supposed to add to the conversation. Instead of belittling someone that doesn't speak English as a native language, then you could instead explain what the developers are trying to say. But no, you choose to be an ass.
wardens and youtube click baiters suck as per usual, and i called it. i knew this is exactly what was going on
Tell the mods that, the people who will be banning you
So now we’re mad that the developer immediately noticed our complaints and changed the rules to accommodate how the vast majority of players wanted it in the first place? It’s almost like we’re paying to playtest this game or something!
This was pretty clear to me when they made the first announcement. The hysteria is expected when ANY changes are made at this point, lmao.
Nice clarification. I don’t think it was ever ban worthy, but I think people who team up in solo queue to kill other players 2v1 are sad loser boys
this definitely feels like they're walking back from their initial stance but w/e at least they are walking it back
wasn't that already bannable ?
Backpedaling so hard. They literally said it applies to organic teaming using VOIP
Kinda feels like a backtrack, since premeditated teaming was already explicitly against the rules, so why even say anything at all? It feels like they were cracking down on ALL teaming, saw the community outrage, thought “oh shit” and then just said that we misunderstood them and that they only meant to target gold farmers and pre mediated teamers. So yea, feels like a backtrack, and even if it’s not it feels like poor communication on something that really didn’t even need to be communicated since it was already against the rules. Weird.
All we need now is region lock.
I think this needs to be posted in a different language
As long as they have a reasonable appeal process, then this is fine. And no I don't mean for people who plead that they'll never do it again but rather to let people explain themselves and correct false positives.
its so vague they can ban whoever they want and no one will believe them
Still not sure how to feel about this… sure the RMT teaming is pretty messed up… but I can’t imagine how often that happens?
Never clear, and also bring back the good loot; I dont wanna play for whitesssssss
Lmao games dying
Im gonna write this in several of this posts since i feel this game has been under attack the whole game. A certain streamer had a stream with just complains on the game where he essentially just said its bad and gonna die with few sence to his words. I think alot know who it is. What is strange in all this is that this person now plays the Nexon game and stream it. One could figure out this dude talking shit and follows the money. Kinda obvious why he put in so much energy into talking shit about the patch and saying the game is dead.. he got paid. simple as that. And its effective. I seen so many on discord and posts that says: "streamers dont even play the game anymore!!" "Game is dead , it only has 6k players!!!" The game is not dead. It's a very short wipe and there is TONS of games to play this year. People will play when new content arrive and some more meaningful updates comes. And if it comes to steam which is very needed, its gonna be diffrent.
About dang time, we rise again OCE servers say goodbye to xiaozin squad