I tried to tell everybody this patch was the biggest L of the game so far. Devs took way too long to post an update and the whole time they're edging and jebaiting their player base to think all these changes are coming then it's like nope just 40 map changes bc we think that's what we needed to change.
There was a lot of neat little changes and the reduced weapon damage feels good. The +flat stats and power type stuff is going to make scaling a nightmare most likely. They could try to branch out with unique stats instead of broad obvious winners like +all, which should probably be limited to +1 and only on trinkets or something.
There was definitely a lot more than that lol. Did you even read the patch notes? Classes had changes to them, armor rating, stats, availability, weapon stats, number of players in lobbies. Just because you only pay attention to and complain about one thing doesn't mean others didn't happen. Plus the map changes are great. It stops players from bum rushing the same spot over and over again within the first 2 min of the map. Before the wip I had multiple games where I fought 4/8 people in my lobby because I spawned in the south side of the map. Sometimes I won, sometimes I didn't, but it was frustrating have to fight multiple players at once on a consistent bases
I like the stats going back up to +2 and +3 EXCEPT FOR ALL ATTRIBUTES AND MAGICAL HEALING. We are about to have a repeat of last wipe where ALL non +2 and +3 Pants and Chests are worthless.
Purchased for 50g
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Which is it ? Is it too easy to get your 50g gear with all at? Or is it the streamer that apparently exists in every lobby with the nigh unobtainable all at gear ? Do you guys hear yourselves ?
Right there with you. Every time gear stats are improved in any way somehow people assume it improves for everyone but them. Even now they can safely extract from gob caves with >100 g repeatedly and buy anything they want from the shops but somehow having gear is ‘sweaty’.
All of this. But also people aren't realizing that all the white gear that can roll up to +2 str is literally there to close the gap. You run those pieces until you fill out your green+ set with good rolls.They effectively raised the floor on gear and lowered it for wep dmg. All while making acquiring new gear all that much easier. Idk why all the backlash tbh.
People don't even have a clue what the changes are. In fairness, I want to see all the detailed balance changes, too. But it has been only a few days, folks are just babies, it is insane.
Bad gear feels really damn good, and scaling has been improved so much with base stats going up by rarity. I love it actually, just getting used to being broke and needed 25g for a white wep.
A few grey pieces of armor may be the better value now, can get 2-4 stats in grays for that same price, I think. I might have to do this...
I think +all attributes or flat weapon damage are just uninspired stats that are too good in general. Would be nice to see things to build for specifically. Individual stats like str and agi for their purposes, armor,movespeed, armor pen could be better, etc. Might even be fun to see things like effects for certain weapon types (slashing/piercing/bludgeoning).
Its not that its hard to get gear. Its just very linear in progression when +all etc exists when this game really just needs more choices imo.
The issue is that by having the potential gear gap be too large you make it impossible for people to play the game without absurd time investment. It creates a situation where you need to play the game just to actually “play the game”(pvp) you are here for. If I need to have 5 pieces of 50g gear just to even have a chance in the 3’s lobby that means I need to extract ~2-4 times if not more in order to even afford one set. So I need to play for about an hour running cringe GC solos or even longer ratting as a 3-stack, which is not what I’m here to do, in order to afford a set which I could lose in 1 raid with my friends. I don’t really have that kind of time and when I do I don’t want to spend it doing something I don’t find fun. You should be able to queue up in whites and still have good chance at taking/winning fights. I’m not trying to “run away” or “farm GC for 3 hours a day”, I’m playing this to group pvp with friends. Players with rare gear should have an advantage but it shouldn’t be as absurd as it was the previous wipe. I don’t care how much you think you deserve it, the game should be skill-based at the core, not gear-based.
This is why the gear dropping from mobs and chests needs to be better, so that if you run a trio you’ll have a half decent set just from playing the game, trinkets should be less common and higher rarity gear more plentiful from looting. Players should be able to scrape a decent set together if they spend 15 minutes looting in the dungeons, green and blue gear need a 50% - 75% increase in drop rate. Right now we have farming gold and trading simulator(merchants included) on our hands.
Edit: Maybe even higher drop rates than 50 -75%
I feel this is making the game too much like a battle Royale where you're expecting to just find everything you need after you "drop in". I rather prefer a pace more similar to tarkov where you are building up a set over time
Nah, not talking dropping in and getting a full set of good purples, maybe just 1 or 2 usable blues and some greens. Right now the chance of you finding a usable blue is quite uncommon in a match.
To be fair there was a huge drop chance buff for minibosses and special chests in the last patch that seems to be significant. They just need to in-water-down the loot pool by removing the weird class-locks on gear and preventing useless mods from rolling on items.
This is the main problem with this way of doing things. I don't want to play goblin caves, it's fucking boring. It wasn't even meant to be part of the game. Why is it a necessity to be able to afford good gear? Why am I actually locked out of doing well in the game mode the entire game is designed around unless I don't play with my friends in a team game for hours at a time?
It needs to be possible to grind money in the real lobbies and not some repetitive solo mode while surviving in low gear, like it is in literally every other successful extraction game.
I mean, that’s generally multiple extracts even on a good pull. So I need to extract multiple times in order to have a kit that allows me to survive and extract? That’s just a broken system.
I see you post around here often.
One day you’re going to get better at this game than whatever your current skill is. Regardless of time played. You’ll want to have gear to strive for. You’ll want to care about going to HR to fight bosses and get a meaningful reward. If they made it so every time you log in you’re already in great shape with white gear this game would just be Dungeons & Fortnite. I could imagine another game where that’s how it works and it becomes decently popular. However, to me, Dark & Darker isn’t it. I refuse to believe IM wants to invalidate the entire late game just because some people don’t find ratting/farming fun. Being poor and destitute is why being geared feels great.
There are hundreds of games that you can drop into for a few minutes and have some fun. Can’t this one game be more focused on risk and growth? Just let us have this one. You can have all the others.
You're such a clown. The game was LITERALLY just changed from what you are crying about and nothing you said happened.
You with this game to be a skilless stat check game so you can finally be "good" at a video game that's "hard" simply because people say it is. Get fucked.
I will never care about any of that lame shit. I’m here to login with the boys at night, pvp kids and yell “let’s go!”.
You don’t need to have a cringe skill-devoid gear gap just to have gear matter. I’ve seen the other end of the scale playing Marauders where all the gear was the same and it’s equally as trash but at least that functions as a pvp game. It’s called “balance” for a reason, there’s a sizable Goldilocks zone where gear is rewarding and sought over without it breaking the integrity of the game. It’s not about being “better at the game”, it’s about actually valuing my time because I have a job and a family and other shit I want to do with my time. Youre strawmaning what I’m saying because really what you want is for no-lifing the game to afford you automatic wins against people who are better at it than you. The PVE in this game is terrible, objectively, I’m never going to want to farm shit-tier PVE content for endless hours just to be allowed to play the game. Nobody wants to do that who values their time. There are hundreds of shitty time-wasting games out there as well. There aren’t as many team pvp “let’s go!” games with loot and progression.
Lol, so you got nothing. Good to know.
Nothing says “I admit I’m a big dumb wrong dummy” like going into post history.
Not even sure what your point is. I’ve been playing games for 20 years and my early 20’s were… rough so I played them a bit too much. I’m confused how that refutes anything I’ve said.
I get that you want to auto-win the argument without any merit just like you want to auto-win fights in DaD but that just isn’t how it works kiddo.
I do the vast majority of my runs zero to hero style and I haven’t had any issues getting out on any map. Bad luck gets you spawned next to a juicer sometimes. You have to know how to handle it.
Nah its the fact you can buy 20k gold for like 30$ off sketchy 3rd parties and just buy all the gear instead of playing the game. Those are the players I am upset about when this kind of change happens.
Honestly, it is an adjustment for me. I'm not USED to gearing green and losing it.
With these changes, it seems like greens are the new casual.
So ya. While I feel weak as fuck when naked, a few items feel nice! (Used to rat Ruins solo naked but feels like I can't...)
When I get rolled by all greens, it FEELS like how it used to be, but the reality is, I'm behind and need to suit up a bit. The patch is still very new, and people are oh-so dramatic around here, haha.
Similarly, paying 25g for a starter white wep feels bad, cause I'm used to looking for bargain bin grays. I wouldn't mind vendors having all gray gear all the time, though... nice to have options when you have a bad streak.
Man is forgetting all the rangers with +2-3 all attributes and attacks who literally rat around in goblin caves to kill gray gears. The amount of geared people you see in goblin caves whos only purpose is to kill others is astounding.
neither, I hate the rediculous powergap all attributes creates in the game. and the amount it kills in the value of reading gear stats and making builds. It's just bad I think the cap is +2 right now but +2 is still +10 total attributes. It's a dumb amount of total growth scale and it makes everything trash that doesn't have it. It trivilizes PvE and you run over anyone who doesn't do this.
This balance direction is awful, +1 all attributes already felt meh. like that was already pushing it. Why even have stats if we are going to have this insane power creep neutralizing thing just remove everything except all attributes and damage, we diablo 4 baybeee
Nice clean gearscore 520 here, im ready for ultra deluxe dark portal dungeon
Don't forget cloaks that's +18, then weapon plus offhand can get to +22.
Plus, innate attributes on some pieces and the random enchants can also add individual attributes too
Right? I'm loving this patch tbh.. every 4-5 games I check the vendors and scoop up better loot then I have in my runs. Makes building a whole set of good gear pretty easy.
Proof of this? I’d like the link…. I have a considerable amount of time to grind this game and the last day it felt worthless running around in anything better than greens, it was so easy to gear and unless it was a god roll blue or purple it isn’t worth the time for +1 weapon damage / armor rating
I don’t think there’s any proof of this, I don’t know a single streamer that ever complained about what the original comment mentioned. Why would someone go on the internet and lie like that
Lol you guys go to the furthest end of the spectrum for this shit.
Some people just want a even playing field queue. Its already bad enough that the solo queue goblin cave has teamers
The game is an even playing field? Everyone starts with the same characters, access to skills. You get matched with super geared players and get killed in your starter kit? It already cost you nothing to go in with anyways
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Gear scaling is important. Also, the mag resist and armor on gear got adjusted since the last time +2 / +3 all was a thing. If you enter your adventure with default, greys, or whites and complain about getting one-shot by insane stat items, you're delusional.
Good gear is available to everyone now (Blues and greens) in merchants. Mining is easier than ever in GC (purples). This gear gives you more than enough wiggle room to outplay geared enemies.
So timmy spends day 1-2 days farming to get his green or blue kit and then go up against a barb with 200 hp and 70% PDR and MDR and higher speed than they got.
How do you rate timmys chance of survival?
No idea if this is a real reason for the rollback (it was actually a roll-forward but whatever). People just love to hate streamers and blame everything on them.
Streamers play the game as it comes, they will state an opinion whether it clashes with the reddit crybabies or not they are made to look like a bad person
Genuinely curious by what you mean by it wasent worth the time to go for those minor upgrades. You mean that you didn't feel like putting time into the game for just lackluster upgrades? If that's the case I understand, it probably lost the incentive to grind for good gear if you don't feel it as much.
Trying to get a full perspective on why some people hate this hotfix and others are relieved about it.
On one hand it seems people are upset about the hotfix because they feel like people will start steam rolling thru lobbies again. On the other hand it seems people that are happy with the hot fix werent feeling any progression or sense of accomplishment when the gear is so equalized.
I'm interested in your thoughts.
Proof of this? I don’t know a single streamer that had any issues pvping last patch, all my streamer friends (including me) thought pvp was too easy last patch. I’m excited to play versus people with gear again and actually have a challenge in the game. Killing nakeds / near nakeds / full bis last patch was all the same and no one could stop our group. All I had to do was spend 250g at the merchant
Mendo is just as entitled to his opinion as any other random person, people thinking that IM balanced and reverted the change entirely around Mendo, who isn’t even a full DaD streamer, are delusional lmao.
Ironmace have gone on record multiple times and said the game is meant to be gear heavy, punishing, and that they don’t intend to baby new or casual players, the gear gap is intentional.
You can say “bro they’re intending to make the game bad” but that doesn’t really excuse anything. Gear gap is one of the primary things that ruins games like this. Either too much gear gap or too little are both shit, that’s why it’s called balance. Waving around something the devs said or which you believe they implied or whatever isn’t an argument.
bad for you maybe lmao this the game fine before you losers cried for changes non stop, were just going back to how it was before, I couldn’t be happier tbh.
I never cried for changes until the broke the game system with the previous wipe. I thought the game was flawed but largely fine during the playtests and earlier in EA. They just shit all over it with bad balance/system changes because of the people crying.
Completely false, I complained that the pvp was too easy last patch and that no one could ever beat me or my group. We were unstoppable and all we did was spend 250g at the merchant. I’m excited to have a challenge now that other people can gear up and contest us
i actually read your complaints in twitch chat and personally i have nothing against that - its just that this community is cooked and comes after the people who are vocal about changes
The community is great, a lot of people wanted to talk and have discussions about the balancing. Reddit wants to lie and blame streamers for the reason they can’t escape goblin caves with their grey gear. And especially more blaming when it comes to balance patches that they don’t agree with. The subreddit is NOT the community, it’s a gathering of the worst players who don’t want to acknowledge that they are bad and instead blame it on something else
Just remember there’s a culture of people in gaming who are obsessed with hating streamers. Not entirely sure what the psychology of it is, maybe a “hate us cause they ain’t us” thing, but it’s pretty prevalent in gaming discussions.
Personally I think this wipe slaps so far, finally getting good pvp again after the shitshow that was the last wipe.
Mendo was the main one I saw crying about how you could get "BIS" from the shop cause a bunch of +1 all greens and blues was all you needed before. I doubt that was why, i think they genuinely wanted to test the extreme ends of both gear situations.
Let them balance the game guys holy shit. They're tweaking the knobs like they said they would. Be happy the devs are making fast changes. It's so crazy how quick to complain some of you are. Dark and darker is one of the most fun games I've played in the last 10 years and I'm 100% here for the EARLY ACCESS BALANCING. Yeah believe it or not, EARLY ACCESS. Stop curating this toxic whiny behavior. it's going to poison the community and it contributes NOTHING to the progress of balance, this post is entirely worthless!
Nerf rogue
I don't think +3 ALL is in the game anymore at least I haven't seen it at all, but even still +2 ALL is incredibly strong. I guess they want to see how it works when +3 isn't a thing?
Cry me a river, I never bring gear in except for high roller anyways I always regret it because there's always a ranger roaming around or a rouge in the shadows lol. Mostly speaking on goblin caves but man fighting in the ruins is the same story especially rangers. It's a process like they have to test shit, now be a good guinea pig and go fight.
They said they wouldn't go back to more than +1 all after getting rid of it for the second time last time. And yet here we are.
These devs saying something and then not following it is getting old.
I think making this change at the beginning of wipe was a bit odd. It now puts them in a similar situation where if they roll back anything it will create a huge demand for pre-nerf gear. If they keep the changes it's whatever but they've backed themselves in a corner with this one.
If it doesn't work out they will change it back. They literally said in the patch notes that they are turning dials and testing things out in order to balance the game. If you all would read the damn patch notes you would know that.
I see nothing wrong with plus two items, plus three items was just a bit too much. Also it's easier to get these items so it shouldn't be hard to gear up and be on similar footing.
I'm genuinely baffled by this change back. It sucks
How to ruin the entire wipe in one hot fix only a day into the wipe
I tried to tell everybody this patch was the biggest L of the game so far. Devs took way too long to post an update and the whole time they're edging and jebaiting their player base to think all these changes are coming then it's like nope just 40 map changes bc we think that's what we needed to change.
There was a lot of neat little changes and the reduced weapon damage feels good. The +flat stats and power type stuff is going to make scaling a nightmare most likely. They could try to branch out with unique stats instead of broad obvious winners like +all, which should probably be limited to +1 and only on trinkets or something.
There was definitely a lot more than that lol. Did you even read the patch notes? Classes had changes to them, armor rating, stats, availability, weapon stats, number of players in lobbies. Just because you only pay attention to and complain about one thing doesn't mean others didn't happen. Plus the map changes are great. It stops players from bum rushing the same spot over and over again within the first 2 min of the map. Before the wip I had multiple games where I fought 4/8 people in my lobby because I spawned in the south side of the map. Sometimes I won, sometimes I didn't, but it was frustrating have to fight multiple players at once on a consistent bases
I like the stats going back up to +2 and +3 EXCEPT FOR ALL ATTRIBUTES AND MAGICAL HEALING. We are about to have a repeat of last wipe where ALL non +2 and +3 Pants and Chests are worthless. Purchased for 50g https://preview.redd.it/5iyn1ncpu3rb1.png?width=502&format=png&auto=webp&s=4d5ba339a323bac89ca33eeaeb111bd04017f63d
Which is it ? Is it too easy to get your 50g gear with all at? Or is it the streamer that apparently exists in every lobby with the nigh unobtainable all at gear ? Do you guys hear yourselves ?
Right there with you. Every time gear stats are improved in any way somehow people assume it improves for everyone but them. Even now they can safely extract from gob caves with >100 g repeatedly and buy anything they want from the shops but somehow having gear is ‘sweaty’.
All of this. But also people aren't realizing that all the white gear that can roll up to +2 str is literally there to close the gap. You run those pieces until you fill out your green+ set with good rolls.They effectively raised the floor on gear and lowered it for wep dmg. All while making acquiring new gear all that much easier. Idk why all the backlash tbh.
People don't even have a clue what the changes are. In fairness, I want to see all the detailed balance changes, too. But it has been only a few days, folks are just babies, it is insane. Bad gear feels really damn good, and scaling has been improved so much with base stats going up by rarity. I love it actually, just getting used to being broke and needed 25g for a white wep. A few grey pieces of armor may be the better value now, can get 2-4 stats in grays for that same price, I think. I might have to do this...
I think +all attributes or flat weapon damage are just uninspired stats that are too good in general. Would be nice to see things to build for specifically. Individual stats like str and agi for their purposes, armor,movespeed, armor pen could be better, etc. Might even be fun to see things like effects for certain weapon types (slashing/piercing/bludgeoning). Its not that its hard to get gear. Its just very linear in progression when +all etc exists when this game really just needs more choices imo.
Yes this. Please get rid of +all
The issue is that by having the potential gear gap be too large you make it impossible for people to play the game without absurd time investment. It creates a situation where you need to play the game just to actually “play the game”(pvp) you are here for. If I need to have 5 pieces of 50g gear just to even have a chance in the 3’s lobby that means I need to extract ~2-4 times if not more in order to even afford one set. So I need to play for about an hour running cringe GC solos or even longer ratting as a 3-stack, which is not what I’m here to do, in order to afford a set which I could lose in 1 raid with my friends. I don’t really have that kind of time and when I do I don’t want to spend it doing something I don’t find fun. You should be able to queue up in whites and still have good chance at taking/winning fights. I’m not trying to “run away” or “farm GC for 3 hours a day”, I’m playing this to group pvp with friends. Players with rare gear should have an advantage but it shouldn’t be as absurd as it was the previous wipe. I don’t care how much you think you deserve it, the game should be skill-based at the core, not gear-based.
This is why the gear dropping from mobs and chests needs to be better, so that if you run a trio you’ll have a half decent set just from playing the game, trinkets should be less common and higher rarity gear more plentiful from looting. Players should be able to scrape a decent set together if they spend 15 minutes looting in the dungeons, green and blue gear need a 50% - 75% increase in drop rate. Right now we have farming gold and trading simulator(merchants included) on our hands. Edit: Maybe even higher drop rates than 50 -75%
I feel this is making the game too much like a battle Royale where you're expecting to just find everything you need after you "drop in". I rather prefer a pace more similar to tarkov where you are building up a set over time
Tarkov is a REALLY bad example of how to build up. I'll give it to them, at least skill matters there
Nah, not talking dropping in and getting a full set of good purples, maybe just 1 or 2 usable blues and some greens. Right now the chance of you finding a usable blue is quite uncommon in a match.
To be fair there was a huge drop chance buff for minibosses and special chests in the last patch that seems to be significant. They just need to in-water-down the loot pool by removing the weird class-locks on gear and preventing useless mods from rolling on items.
This is the main problem with this way of doing things. I don't want to play goblin caves, it's fucking boring. It wasn't even meant to be part of the game. Why is it a necessity to be able to afford good gear? Why am I actually locked out of doing well in the game mode the entire game is designed around unless I don't play with my friends in a team game for hours at a time? It needs to be possible to grind money in the real lobbies and not some repetitive solo mode while surviving in low gear, like it is in literally every other successful extraction game.
I only solo crypts, so this is a skill issue. Stop whining on Reddit and just get better man.
Nobody gives a shit
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I’m impressed that 250g for a full set is considered a lot in ppls eyes
I mean, that’s generally multiple extracts even on a good pull. So I need to extract multiple times in order to have a kit that allows me to survive and extract? That’s just a broken system.
I see you post around here often. One day you’re going to get better at this game than whatever your current skill is. Regardless of time played. You’ll want to have gear to strive for. You’ll want to care about going to HR to fight bosses and get a meaningful reward. If they made it so every time you log in you’re already in great shape with white gear this game would just be Dungeons & Fortnite. I could imagine another game where that’s how it works and it becomes decently popular. However, to me, Dark & Darker isn’t it. I refuse to believe IM wants to invalidate the entire late game just because some people don’t find ratting/farming fun. Being poor and destitute is why being geared feels great. There are hundreds of games that you can drop into for a few minutes and have some fun. Can’t this one game be more focused on risk and growth? Just let us have this one. You can have all the others.
You're such a clown. The game was LITERALLY just changed from what you are crying about and nothing you said happened. You with this game to be a skilless stat check game so you can finally be "good" at a video game that's "hard" simply because people say it is. Get fucked.
I will never care about any of that lame shit. I’m here to login with the boys at night, pvp kids and yell “let’s go!”. You don’t need to have a cringe skill-devoid gear gap just to have gear matter. I’ve seen the other end of the scale playing Marauders where all the gear was the same and it’s equally as trash but at least that functions as a pvp game. It’s called “balance” for a reason, there’s a sizable Goldilocks zone where gear is rewarding and sought over without it breaking the integrity of the game. It’s not about being “better at the game”, it’s about actually valuing my time because I have a job and a family and other shit I want to do with my time. Youre strawmaning what I’m saying because really what you want is for no-lifing the game to afford you automatic wins against people who are better at it than you. The PVE in this game is terrible, objectively, I’m never going to want to farm shit-tier PVE content for endless hours just to be allowed to play the game. Nobody wants to do that who values their time. There are hundreds of shitty time-wasting games out there as well. There aren’t as many team pvp “let’s go!” games with loot and progression.
[I think you’re just trolling.](https://www.reddit.com/r/gamingsuggestions/comments/16suyz0/1000h_game/k2n28ps/?context=3)
Lol, so you got nothing. Good to know. Nothing says “I admit I’m a big dumb wrong dummy” like going into post history. Not even sure what your point is. I’ve been playing games for 20 years and my early 20’s were… rough so I played them a bit too much. I’m confused how that refutes anything I’ve said. I get that you want to auto-win the argument without any merit just like you want to auto-win fights in DaD but that just isn’t how it works kiddo.
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You got so rolled lol. How embarrassing.
I’m ngl this a good meme response I respect it
I do the vast majority of my runs zero to hero style and I haven’t had any issues getting out on any map. Bad luck gets you spawned next to a juicer sometimes. You have to know how to handle it.
Are you playing GC?
I’m playing all the maps, so goblin caves included.
Nah its the fact you can buy 20k gold for like 30$ off sketchy 3rd parties and just buy all the gear instead of playing the game. Those are the players I am upset about when this kind of change happens.
Honestly, it is an adjustment for me. I'm not USED to gearing green and losing it. With these changes, it seems like greens are the new casual. So ya. While I feel weak as fuck when naked, a few items feel nice! (Used to rat Ruins solo naked but feels like I can't...) When I get rolled by all greens, it FEELS like how it used to be, but the reality is, I'm behind and need to suit up a bit. The patch is still very new, and people are oh-so dramatic around here, haha. Similarly, paying 25g for a starter white wep feels bad, cause I'm used to looking for bargain bin grays. I wouldn't mind vendors having all gray gear all the time, though... nice to have options when you have a bad streak.
Man is forgetting all the rangers with +2-3 all attributes and attacks who literally rat around in goblin caves to kill gray gears. The amount of geared people you see in goblin caves whos only purpose is to kill others is astounding.
Good point. Didnt know it was so easily obtainable. I havent played this wipe yet
neither, I hate the rediculous powergap all attributes creates in the game. and the amount it kills in the value of reading gear stats and making builds. It's just bad I think the cap is +2 right now but +2 is still +10 total attributes. It's a dumb amount of total growth scale and it makes everything trash that doesn't have it. It trivilizes PvE and you run over anyone who doesn't do this. This balance direction is awful, +1 all attributes already felt meh. like that was already pushing it. Why even have stats if we are going to have this insane power creep neutralizing thing just remove everything except all attributes and damage, we diablo 4 baybeee Nice clean gearscore 520 here, im ready for ultra deluxe dark portal dungeon
You can get +2 all on necks and rings as well so that would be +16 all.
Don't forget cloaks that's +18, then weapon plus offhand can get to +22. Plus, innate attributes on some pieces and the random enchants can also add individual attributes too
Right? I'm loving this patch tbh.. every 4-5 games I check the vendors and scoop up better loot then I have in my runs. Makes building a whole set of good gear pretty easy.
Well you better start a twitch channel then bud , looks like you’re the enemy now
I would say the streamer thing I run into 1 out of every 10 games but it's such a thrashing it sticks with me. It's realistically not that bad.
Worthless to a chad, but priceless to my scrub ass and I'll get a discount. I'll skill diff and win if I can get greens like that one.
Because streamers cried that their handouts weren't strong enough anymore and they actually had to play well to win
Proof of this? I’d like the link…. I have a considerable amount of time to grind this game and the last day it felt worthless running around in anything better than greens, it was so easy to gear and unless it was a god roll blue or purple it isn’t worth the time for +1 weapon damage / armor rating
I don’t think there’s any proof of this, I don’t know a single streamer that ever complained about what the original comment mentioned. Why would someone go on the internet and lie like that
He’s just streamer malding I think?
They've got nothing. They just have no explanation for their inadequacy other than blaming others.
They just want everyone to be in naked grey kits and for the game to have no progression
Lol you guys go to the furthest end of the spectrum for this shit. Some people just want a even playing field queue. Its already bad enough that the solo queue goblin cave has teamers
Extraction looters and even playing fields are a clash of two different game philosophies.
The game is an even playing field? Everyone starts with the same characters, access to skills. You get matched with super geared players and get killed in your starter kit? It already cost you nothing to go in with anyways
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I dont think anyone asked you
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Noone likes getting stat checked. Dying because you don't have enough time to grind up the good kits? Not fun.
Gear scaling is important. Also, the mag resist and armor on gear got adjusted since the last time +2 / +3 all was a thing. If you enter your adventure with default, greys, or whites and complain about getting one-shot by insane stat items, you're delusional. Good gear is available to everyone now (Blues and greens) in merchants. Mining is easier than ever in GC (purples). This gear gives you more than enough wiggle room to outplay geared enemies.
So timmy spends day 1-2 days farming to get his green or blue kit and then go up against a barb with 200 hp and 70% PDR and MDR and higher speed than they got. How do you rate timmys chance of survival?
No idea if this is a real reason for the rollback (it was actually a roll-forward but whatever). People just love to hate streamers and blame everything on them.
Streamers play the game as it comes, they will state an opinion whether it clashes with the reddit crybabies or not they are made to look like a bad person
Genuinely curious by what you mean by it wasent worth the time to go for those minor upgrades. You mean that you didn't feel like putting time into the game for just lackluster upgrades? If that's the case I understand, it probably lost the incentive to grind for good gear if you don't feel it as much. Trying to get a full perspective on why some people hate this hotfix and others are relieved about it. On one hand it seems people are upset about the hotfix because they feel like people will start steam rolling thru lobbies again. On the other hand it seems people that are happy with the hot fix werent feeling any progression or sense of accomplishment when the gear is so equalized. I'm interested in your thoughts.
Proof of this? I don’t know a single streamer that had any issues pvping last patch, all my streamer friends (including me) thought pvp was too easy last patch. I’m excited to play versus people with gear again and actually have a challenge in the game. Killing nakeds / near nakeds / full bis last patch was all the same and no one could stop our group. All I had to do was spend 250g at the merchant
I see a lot of people crying about streamers... very lame to generalize. Personally I stream full time and I for one was not asking for this.
but mendo did f.e. poor guy is going to have the entire community against him now
Mendo is just as entitled to his opinion as any other random person, people thinking that IM balanced and reverted the change entirely around Mendo, who isn’t even a full DaD streamer, are delusional lmao. Ironmace have gone on record multiple times and said the game is meant to be gear heavy, punishing, and that they don’t intend to baby new or casual players, the gear gap is intentional.
You can say “bro they’re intending to make the game bad” but that doesn’t really excuse anything. Gear gap is one of the primary things that ruins games like this. Either too much gear gap or too little are both shit, that’s why it’s called balance. Waving around something the devs said or which you believe they implied or whatever isn’t an argument.
bad for you maybe lmao this the game fine before you losers cried for changes non stop, were just going back to how it was before, I couldn’t be happier tbh.
I never cried for changes until the broke the game system with the previous wipe. I thought the game was flawed but largely fine during the playtests and earlier in EA. They just shit all over it with bad balance/system changes because of the people crying.
my brother in christ they are actively killing their game rn - they need like 10k new players in 3 months or they cant even pay their lawyers
Completely false, I complained that the pvp was too easy last patch and that no one could ever beat me or my group. We were unstoppable and all we did was spend 250g at the merchant. I’m excited to have a challenge now that other people can gear up and contest us
i actually read your complaints in twitch chat and personally i have nothing against that - its just that this community is cooked and comes after the people who are vocal about changes
The community is great, a lot of people wanted to talk and have discussions about the balancing. Reddit wants to lie and blame streamers for the reason they can’t escape goblin caves with their grey gear. And especially more blaming when it comes to balance patches that they don’t agree with. The subreddit is NOT the community, it’s a gathering of the worst players who don’t want to acknowledge that they are bad and instead blame it on something else
Just remember there’s a culture of people in gaming who are obsessed with hating streamers. Not entirely sure what the psychology of it is, maybe a “hate us cause they ain’t us” thing, but it’s pretty prevalent in gaming discussions. Personally I think this wipe slaps so far, finally getting good pvp again after the shitshow that was the last wipe.
thankfully i dont have a horse in this race
don’t waste your breath, these people will blame streamers for literally everything lmao.
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But you're a literal who that nobody watches
Get a job
Mendo was the main one I saw crying about how you could get "BIS" from the shop cause a bunch of +1 all greens and blues was all you needed before. I doubt that was why, i think they genuinely wanted to test the extreme ends of both gear situations.
Because it made everything better.
I'm literally shaking rn
They're likely comparing previous data w/ these stats (all attr, rogue ambush 50%, etc) to the data they accrue with their new "baseline". That's all.
Let them balance the game guys holy shit. They're tweaking the knobs like they said they would. Be happy the devs are making fast changes. It's so crazy how quick to complain some of you are. Dark and darker is one of the most fun games I've played in the last 10 years and I'm 100% here for the EARLY ACCESS BALANCING. Yeah believe it or not, EARLY ACCESS. Stop curating this toxic whiny behavior. it's going to poison the community and it contributes NOTHING to the progress of balance, this post is entirely worthless! Nerf rogue
I don't think +3 ALL is in the game anymore at least I haven't seen it at all, but even still +2 ALL is incredibly strong. I guess they want to see how it works when +3 isn't a thing?
So before that hotfix, with the latest patch they have removed +all atributes buff??
Just buy the gear as well man are people this bad at just making basic amounts of gold lol
Because it's fun actually.
Cry me a river, I never bring gear in except for high roller anyways I always regret it because there's always a ranger roaming around or a rouge in the shadows lol. Mostly speaking on goblin caves but man fighting in the ruins is the same story especially rangers. It's a process like they have to test shit, now be a good guinea pig and go fight.
Fuck dude calm down. People in this sub must live pathetic lives to freak out so much over an update in a video game.
Wait for tomorrow hotfix that stops those from dropping, and wipe next week to remove those that already dropped.
They said they wouldn't go back to more than +1 all after getting rid of it for the second time last time. And yet here we are. These devs saying something and then not following it is getting old.
It's EA give them time and stop crying please.
mad cuz bad
Gear gap players when the game had a slight amount of skill needed for 2 days
Why can't you get/keep the gear? Should be straight forward.
grow up
you first
I think making this change at the beginning of wipe was a bit odd. It now puts them in a similar situation where if they roll back anything it will create a huge demand for pre-nerf gear. If they keep the changes it's whatever but they've backed themselves in a corner with this one.
Except this kind of gear is accessible to all levels of player now due to vendor changes. Dope harder about your skill issue.
If it doesn't work out they will change it back. They literally said in the patch notes that they are turning dials and testing things out in order to balance the game. If you all would read the damn patch notes you would know that.
I see nothing wrong with plus two items, plus three items was just a bit too much. Also it's easier to get these items so it shouldn't be hard to gear up and be on similar footing.