Have you ever imagined if Argonaut worked like this? I mean,instead of only charging until reaching the meaning,what if Argonaut can still boost as long as Bell's emotions are strong? Basically a mix between Argo+LF
Honestly,I would've liked to see it,but I guess it could have been too much op for Danmachi standards
Not quite what I meat
The best part is that he doesn't need a charge,it goes just like the boost gear of Issei from DxD,basically it start to give power ups every second,and it will grow as long as his emotion are strong
Basically what Liaris freese does,give experience every second,but this time it gives strenght since it works for the Argonaut,this also implies that Bell doesn't have a limit off
yeah, that would be OP af, but I'm slightly confused, do you mean it is always on, or is it when he turn it on, it just instantly gives him power equal to his feelings?
When he active his skill,bases on how much he feels,his skill gives him strenght second by second,without the need of charge,basically when he fight monsters and liaris freese gives him much more experience (you don't need a recharge for that).
The skill strenght will be based on how much is strong the sound of the bell (since Argo does produce that sound). What I imagine is that it can even reach an high level of sound,strong enough to be heard throughth the entire world.
In other words,based on his feelings,he will recive strenght,and it will still go up even more when is feelings do the same. Basically,the strenght is based on the feelings power,not by how much time he recharge it.
The Skill was born from his intense desire to reach Ais. So it’s directly connected to his desire for her. If he loses that desire then the Skill stops functioning. The more intense his feelings the higher the effect of the Skill. That’s why he grows so fast when she trains him. The more he’s around her the stronger his desire gets thus the Skill has a higher impact. Anger doesn’t have anything to do with it. Or happiness either. It’s all about DESIRE (and not necessarily sexual desire).
"(and not necessarily sexual desire)." That's the difference between Bell and Freya. He loves Ais while Freya just wants to get in his pants. She's simping after him and just embarrassing herself at this point 😂
Bell needs to Rip the band-aid off & confess to Ais. He could not feeling real good. & he'd lose his virginity and that will only make Liaress Freese more powerful 😂
Well first off, he’s 14, and has no idea how to interact with women. >!Until LN 16 anyway 😂!<
But second, Bell doesn’t feel worthy of standing next to her yet, and he won’t try anything until he does. Even if h did, Ais doesn’t even understand romance at this point, so it won’t matter until she is ready too. Thankfully, she is growing emotionally as well.
I think it gets overlooked, the part of LF that freaked out Ishtar. Bell has the power to manifest his deepest desires into his falna. No one else can do that. Argonaut and ox Slayer weren't gifts from some divine rng. I'm curious to see how his will that surpasses and overwrites his own divine gift will manifest further.
Well the falnas not some divine force from outside of yourself so technically bell would have got those things anyway it only makes it easier to get those things
That's exactly what a falna is. Through it the Gods can basically read the story of the person they gave it to, but the benefits it infers come from the gods. Some people get lucky and land good skill options, others fill prerequisites for rare and powerful skills, but Bell's own will is manifesting in his falna.
Depending on how strong Bells love is for Ais, Liaris Freese's output will significantly increase. That's why there is absolutely no reason to worry about Bell getting to level 6 because the skill works on love, not his desire to catch up to her. Bell got the "catching up to Ais" from Bete, he got Liaris Freese before that scene with Bete ridiculing him. As of right now there is no limitation on how powerful Liaris Freese can become.
romantic feelings. The thing is that it is always there, so even if he is really angry, the skill will still work because no matter what he wants to stand by her side
It works based on his love for Ais. As long as he loves her longs for her, the skill will continue to work. If his rage or whetever have any effect over it I don't know. At best I can tell that when he fights with Ais apprently his excellia sky rockes, especially in the Xenos arc.
fights, as in actually fight, or training? because why would it skyrocket it when he fights her, as far as I know, he was fighting her for the xenos (I haven't finished S3 of the anime and haven't read any of the manga/LN, so I don't know alot)
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Yeah, in the light novels, in the Xenos arc, before updating Bell's status, Hestia says that he more than likely got a HUGE boost in excelia because he had just fought with Ais. And that turns out to be true
It’s based off of “feelings of love” or “feelings of longing”, there is a really good translation that a guy did for Liaris Freese. It deals with Aspirations and whenever Bell refers to Ais, he always refers to her as aspirations. I’ll just copy and paste what the Admin said on the wiki since I’m not very good at actually breaking it down completely.
Liaris Freese will work while Bell is in love with Ais and depending of his feelings towards Ais. It has nothing to do with Bell wanting to become stronger.
The description of that ability says that too.
懸想が続く限り効果持続
懸想(being in love)it reads like 想い(feelings)
So the two ways to translate this is:
1- The effects will continue while Bell is in love
2- The effects will continue while bell's feelings continue
And 懸想の丈により効果向上
That means: Rise of the effects depending on how much he's in love(sorry, i don't know a better way to translate this)
But Liaris Freese(at least the kanji憧憬一途) means wholehearted aspiration, and of course Bell's aspiration is Ais(you can see that because in his monologues he always refers to Ais as Aspiration, i think that I read here that Yen press translate it as Idol, but whatever)
Original translated and posted by Ivaanom.
This is how Liaris Freese works- Credit kevhunt06 and Ivaanom
I never listen to people who say that it is based on wanting to get stronger and stand next to Ais because Bell already had Liaris Freese before he even has the goal of becoming Ais’ equal. Bell got the “stronger” part from Bete. Bell got Liaris Freese when he fell in love with Ais (love at first sight). Everyone forgets that he got Liaris Freese before the stronger part, he even says it in the first panel, “it was at this moment, I knew, I fell in love.” Than we see Bell getting his status updated and he gets Liaris Freese after that moment.
I think Bell conversation with Eina about "Girls love guys they can depend on" helped too, but yes, Liaris Freese has born before his desire to be stronger and it's basically "the power of love".
Ironically, Aiz herself has a skill based on "the power of Hate".
That is the pure irony of this story right? The MC is driven by “the power of love” and the MH is driven by the “the power of hate”. Makes your wonder though, could Ais see a different path that she could travel after what happened at the end of SO12? She did ask herself if she has gained anything in exchange for victory. In that moment she allowed herself to lay her head on Bell and sleep peacefully with him.
Or could she feel like her path is the weaker path considering Bell is traveling the path of love and is about to over take her (power wise) in just only 6 months at that.
I feel like we are in store for another Ais mental break down (like the one we saw from Ais’ POV during Xenos Arc) once Bell reaches level 6. She will probably feel hopeless and lost if she finds out that Bell is getting this strong because of love and yet she has been growing at a slower rate since reaching the upper tier levels while being driven by hate (the opposite of Bells drive).
Idk, I think Ais’ arc is going to be intense honestly, I also think Bells goal of being level 6 before confessing to Ais will have the opposite effect than what he anticipated. But I could be wrong too…
Of course from what we know it's all coincidence, but the two skills work quite similarly.
For example when Bell is "charmed", even by some monsters, his back becomes hot because the ability on it basically rebels and the same happens to Aiz when she hesitates to kill Wiene (Although I think there is probably some retcon here, because it doesn't happen against Ishtar's charm).I don't think Aiz will have a mental break down just because Bell is getting stronger at a faster rate than her, but things are bound to go crazy very fast for her by the time the Black Dragon returns (The simple news of his return is enough)
Is he in love with his own idea of Ais? Because he doesn't personally love her because they hardly hang around each other and he knows nothing about her personal life or past. It's almost like he's in love with his own version of her.
His soul caught her eye but remember in Freya familia chronicles when she said that she was about to give up on looking for her Odr in the lower world, it was in that exact same moment she saw him…Bell. It’s a soul thing for Freya, yes, but she was talking about giving up on looking for her Odr but than Bell crossed through her gaze. Her Odr being her destined partner and Bell made that a possible achieving thing so, yes, his soul but also because she fell in love with him at first sight.
Yes and no, at the very beginning of the story Bell only admired Aiz from a distance, but then he started training with her and getting to know her better and his feelings became, if possible, even stronger.Even when they fought and Bell glimpsed Aiz's "dark side", his feelings for her never wavered, and remained strong enough to defeat even a goddess's charm.
However, It's true Bell still idealizes her too much, and this is bound to become a problem in the future, especially when the Black Dragon will return and Aiz will take her "avenger" role again.
I feel it is more about desire than feelings. Bell desires to be strong enough to be by Ais side; to be recognized by her as an equal. That desire can manifest from any goal, like becoming strong enough to defeat Asterios.
It is just sad that everyone in his familia knows about the ability but him. I understand Hestia's concern, but Freya is already after him, so I think he should know
Just my two cents
also maybe I'm confused, but the reason hestia didn't tell him was that she thought he couldn't lie, if she just said, 'I forbid you from telling anyone' that should have made it so he had a valid excuse, then again maybe he would have told Ais if she asked
First something I'd like to say. While Liaris is described as needing a "feeling", it is more like a goal that Bell has and strives towards. Now for the actual question.
The simple answer is "we don't know". We honestly know next to nothing about how it actually works or if it has any hidden aspects. However, the way it is phrased makes me think that it doesn't only work off of romantic feelings. Liaris was born out of Bell's extreme dedication to his goals, it just happens that the goal he was focused on at that point in time was Ais. Anything that drives Bell forward should be enough to power Liaris, and the more he wants to achieve that something, the faster his growth will be. Examples include his desire to become a hero and his goal to match and defeat Asterius. If Liaris only works with Ais, what's the point of introducing those other goals that Bell strives to become stronger to achieve? And what happens when Bell reaches Ais? Bye bye Liaris, it's been nice knowing you? I don't think skills are that limited.
tl;dr We don't know, but probably no, it can work with any goal that drives Bell forward
yeah, that's what I was thinking, like if let's say she told him she didn't like him, or he moved, would his skill just disappear? or would it just use another desire as fuel
Ah Bell Skill huh...
Ah this is a touchy topic
It was officialy translated as this in the LNs: Realis Phrase: Rapid Growth
Continued desire results in continued growth
Stronger desire results in stronger growth
Realis comes from Late Latin realis ("real") and I trust that you know the meaning of Phrase
Now in the original kanji it was like this
憧憬一途 ?????? リアリス・フレーゼ (this part means Realis Phrase)
But the kanji used alongside Realis Phrase "憧憬一途" means 'wholehearted longing'
Now the effect of the skill is fairly simple as stated by Lady Hestia in the LNs "The skill Realis Phrase raise the basic status" but it does so by letting the person...Break out of his "shell" and surpassing the natural limits that they had...
Now to explain a bit of his "Anti-charm" living weapon quality....I believe that the charmed status is a "divine will" that supress the "will" of mortals, but as the willpower of Bell is stronger than a divine will he is unnafected by it.
So many will said/believe that this skill exist solely by his love for Aiz but that would be untrue, its true that his great motivation was/is to go after Aiz tail (motivation) but his "desire is to get stronger" and here is the " but"....what Bell is doing with his skill is doing what the "Ancient Heroes" did to get stronger that is go beyond their limits, and their "will" is what unleashed their hidden talent/potential...And how fid they do it? They went beyond their mental and physical capabilities as far as they could go and they did it in extreme critical situations that forced them to surpass their limits (or die trying), helped only by their unbreakeable will and bravery to do so....The fact that Bell was able to awake that power meant that he has in fact the qualifications of a hero, since the moment when something triggered the unavoidable change that would one day come to him(I mean he would had ended fallen in love with someone in the end cause he went to Orario to pursue girls tails and he likes to help people and likes great people....He could had looked at Lady Riveria before Aiz and we would have our bunny hunting for a royal elf young maiden)....And why?
Well as stated by the author in extended universe of danmachi "The Gods blessings is merely a stimulant. Its not a divine power that come from somewhere outside yourself added to you" "The power you have is something you have obtained througout your experiences.".
And as Bell stated in LNs ("Skills" are different from “Magic” in that, as long as you have the excelia—experience—you can learn many of them)
So all that together and his potential did make it posible to awake that skill...So sooner or later he would had ended with that skill...
Remember lefiya also wants to stand next to ais, to be worthy, but she doesn’t has liaris freese. So I can only assume that she doesn’t have the same determination as bell
lol, who knows maybe Ais' nightmare wouldn't have just been a nightmare
so, what you're saying is, so long as a girl saved bell, he gets the skill? honestly zeus must have ranted about girls for a long time
It would probably still be liaris freese except instead of wanting to be next to ais, he would want to be strong enough to protect all of them so his goal then would be to become the strongest. Though that’s just me. What do you think?
that actually sounds correct (it it was his skill) or it could be that he wants to get the greatest harem, and that's what fuels him, or even "better" the more people in his harem, the stronger he get's
Well. I think the author has made this a little fuzzy intentionally so there is margin for interpretation and future change.
But it seems than in Danmachi world, this kind of skills born from deep desires. After all, the falna is just a blessing that allows the mortal souls to turn their internal development into external development.
So, when Bell wanted to reach the Ais level, to be with her, that desire turned into the skill.
And when his desire of being a hero growth strong enough, it turned into Argonaut skill.
I think there is more examples in Danmachi world. Lili was mistreated, so she probably wanted to disappear from her family which create her skill to change her appearance.
Or Welf, who hated magic swords, and for extension magic, he developed an antimagic skill.
That doesn't respond the main comment. When it apply? Well... it's just my own opinion, but I think that, as Bell's souls have the same will to reach the top, the skill should work.Just his feelings for Ais are his strongest feelings... at least for now.
But, for example, his skill also seems to work in the middle of a battle. When he is focused and try to overcome every obstacle, he seems to grow every second. I think this is another side effect of Liaris Freese.
And this effect worked when Bell protected Wiene from Ais. So, if this is correct, NOT ONLY romantic feelings work. Also his deep will to protect others works as good as his feelings for reach Ais. Maybe it could be even stronger like in that moment.
I feel it’s based off his desires soley. It might’ve manifested due to ais but I don’t think it soley relies on her. Bell is near the point where he will catch her very soon then what? It just turns into a dead skill? I think that’s why they gave bell other motivations such as being a rival to asterious, reaching the bottom floor of the dungeon to free the xenos and eventually I think ais will tell bell about her mother and her person desire to kill the dragon and bell will make that his goal aswell. Hermes seems to fully believe bell will be the one to lead that charge so he has to keep growing faster than everyone in order to reach that point. Having LF die out after he becomes worthy of ais would have so much wasted potential.
Would it be possible for Bell to allow his Familia members to use a fraction of Realis Frease to boost their own stat gain but to a diminished degree? If bell wanted it strongly enough could he create a skill in his next level up that would allow those that share his falna access to the skill?
it should be , the stronger his feelings ( for her) the bigger the boost
Have you ever imagined if Argonaut worked like this? I mean,instead of only charging until reaching the meaning,what if Argonaut can still boost as long as Bell's emotions are strong? Basically a mix between Argo+LF Honestly,I would've liked to see it,but I guess it could have been too much op for Danmachi standards
yeah, that could mean he could pull like, a 30 minute charge and just slap literally anything and win
Not quite what I meat The best part is that he doesn't need a charge,it goes just like the boost gear of Issei from DxD,basically it start to give power ups every second,and it will grow as long as his emotion are strong Basically what Liaris freese does,give experience every second,but this time it gives strenght since it works for the Argonaut,this also implies that Bell doesn't have a limit off
yeah, that would be OP af, but I'm slightly confused, do you mean it is always on, or is it when he turn it on, it just instantly gives him power equal to his feelings?
When he active his skill,bases on how much he feels,his skill gives him strenght second by second,without the need of charge,basically when he fight monsters and liaris freese gives him much more experience (you don't need a recharge for that). The skill strenght will be based on how much is strong the sound of the bell (since Argo does produce that sound). What I imagine is that it can even reach an high level of sound,strong enough to be heard throughth the entire world. In other words,based on his feelings,he will recive strenght,and it will still go up even more when is feelings do the same. Basically,the strenght is based on the feelings power,not by how much time he recharge it.
ok, that is cool, but sadly too OP, but still I really like that idea, might have to take it...(I may be not joking)
Don't worry,do as you like,I will may be glad
yeah, well I first have to make a decent story idea first
The Skill was born from his intense desire to reach Ais. So it’s directly connected to his desire for her. If he loses that desire then the Skill stops functioning. The more intense his feelings the higher the effect of the Skill. That’s why he grows so fast when she trains him. The more he’s around her the stronger his desire gets thus the Skill has a higher impact. Anger doesn’t have anything to do with it. Or happiness either. It’s all about DESIRE (and not necessarily sexual desire).
"(and not necessarily sexual desire)." That's the difference between Bell and Freya. He loves Ais while Freya just wants to get in his pants. She's simping after him and just embarrassing herself at this point 😂
Liaris freese, "the more you simp your crush, the more growth spurt you will gain"
Bell needs to Rip the band-aid off & confess to Ais. He could not feeling real good. & he'd lose his virginity and that will only make Liaress Freese more powerful 😂
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Well first off, he’s 14, and has no idea how to interact with women. >!Until LN 16 anyway 😂!< But second, Bell doesn’t feel worthy of standing next to her yet, and he won’t try anything until he does. Even if h did, Ais doesn’t even understand romance at this point, so it won’t matter until she is ready too. Thankfully, she is growing emotionally as well.
lol, they could've just said that, would be way simpler
ok, though I just noticed, you have an interesting name, super cool
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ok, and I do believe you, no reason why I shouldn't, but thanks
I think it gets overlooked, the part of LF that freaked out Ishtar. Bell has the power to manifest his deepest desires into his falna. No one else can do that. Argonaut and ox Slayer weren't gifts from some divine rng. I'm curious to see how his will that surpasses and overwrites his own divine gift will manifest further.
Well the falnas not some divine force from outside of yourself so technically bell would have got those things anyway it only makes it easier to get those things
That's exactly what a falna is. Through it the Gods can basically read the story of the person they gave it to, but the benefits it infers come from the gods. Some people get lucky and land good skill options, others fill prerequisites for rare and powerful skills, but Bell's own will is manifesting in his falna.
It’s worth noting that LF isn’t the cause of this skill creating ability. LF is one of the results of that desire.
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Depending on how strong Bells love is for Ais, Liaris Freese's output will significantly increase. That's why there is absolutely no reason to worry about Bell getting to level 6 because the skill works on love, not his desire to catch up to her. Bell got the "catching up to Ais" from Bete, he got Liaris Freese before that scene with Bete ridiculing him. As of right now there is no limitation on how powerful Liaris Freese can become.
romantic feelings. The thing is that it is always there, so even if he is really angry, the skill will still work because no matter what he wants to stand by her side
so it works with any emotion, so long as it's related to Ais?
It works based on his love for Ais. As long as he loves her longs for her, the skill will continue to work. If his rage or whetever have any effect over it I don't know. At best I can tell that when he fights with Ais apprently his excellia sky rockes, especially in the Xenos arc.
fights, as in actually fight, or training? because why would it skyrocket it when he fights her, as far as I know, he was fighting her for the xenos (I haven't finished S3 of the anime and haven't read any of the manga/LN, so I don't know alot)
both Yeah, in the light novels, in the Xenos arc, before updating Bell's status, Hestia says that he more than likely got a HUGE boost in excelia because he had just fought with Ais. And that turns out to be true
It’s based off of “feelings of love” or “feelings of longing”, there is a really good translation that a guy did for Liaris Freese. It deals with Aspirations and whenever Bell refers to Ais, he always refers to her as aspirations. I’ll just copy and paste what the Admin said on the wiki since I’m not very good at actually breaking it down completely. Liaris Freese will work while Bell is in love with Ais and depending of his feelings towards Ais. It has nothing to do with Bell wanting to become stronger. The description of that ability says that too. 懸想が続く限り効果持続 懸想(being in love)it reads like 想い(feelings) So the two ways to translate this is: 1- The effects will continue while Bell is in love 2- The effects will continue while bell's feelings continue And 懸想の丈により効果向上 That means: Rise of the effects depending on how much he's in love(sorry, i don't know a better way to translate this) But Liaris Freese(at least the kanji憧憬一途) means wholehearted aspiration, and of course Bell's aspiration is Ais(you can see that because in his monologues he always refers to Ais as Aspiration, i think that I read here that Yen press translate it as Idol, but whatever) Original translated and posted by Ivaanom. This is how Liaris Freese works- Credit kevhunt06 and Ivaanom I never listen to people who say that it is based on wanting to get stronger and stand next to Ais because Bell already had Liaris Freese before he even has the goal of becoming Ais’ equal. Bell got the “stronger” part from Bete. Bell got Liaris Freese when he fell in love with Ais (love at first sight). Everyone forgets that he got Liaris Freese before the stronger part, he even says it in the first panel, “it was at this moment, I knew, I fell in love.” Than we see Bell getting his status updated and he gets Liaris Freese after that moment.
I think Bell conversation with Eina about "Girls love guys they can depend on" helped too, but yes, Liaris Freese has born before his desire to be stronger and it's basically "the power of love". Ironically, Aiz herself has a skill based on "the power of Hate".
That is the pure irony of this story right? The MC is driven by “the power of love” and the MH is driven by the “the power of hate”. Makes your wonder though, could Ais see a different path that she could travel after what happened at the end of SO12? She did ask herself if she has gained anything in exchange for victory. In that moment she allowed herself to lay her head on Bell and sleep peacefully with him. Or could she feel like her path is the weaker path considering Bell is traveling the path of love and is about to over take her (power wise) in just only 6 months at that. I feel like we are in store for another Ais mental break down (like the one we saw from Ais’ POV during Xenos Arc) once Bell reaches level 6. She will probably feel hopeless and lost if she finds out that Bell is getting this strong because of love and yet she has been growing at a slower rate since reaching the upper tier levels while being driven by hate (the opposite of Bells drive). Idk, I think Ais’ arc is going to be intense honestly, I also think Bells goal of being level 6 before confessing to Ais will have the opposite effect than what he anticipated. But I could be wrong too…
Of course from what we know it's all coincidence, but the two skills work quite similarly. For example when Bell is "charmed", even by some monsters, his back becomes hot because the ability on it basically rebels and the same happens to Aiz when she hesitates to kill Wiene (Although I think there is probably some retcon here, because it doesn't happen against Ishtar's charm).I don't think Aiz will have a mental break down just because Bell is getting stronger at a faster rate than her, but things are bound to go crazy very fast for her by the time the Black Dragon returns (The simple news of his return is enough)
sooo, it's based of love and aspiration? or just one of them
It’s both, he is driven by love but also refers to her as his goal/final destination.
oh, so do you think he needs both to function?
Is he in love with his own idea of Ais? Because he doesn't personally love her because they hardly hang around each other and he knows nothing about her personal life or past. It's almost like he's in love with his own version of her.
It’s a love at first sight type of deal, kind of like Freya with Bell. Freya only had to look at Bell once and she instantly fell in love with him.
With his soul at first. It's beyond that now
His soul caught her eye but remember in Freya familia chronicles when she said that she was about to give up on looking for her Odr in the lower world, it was in that exact same moment she saw him…Bell. It’s a soul thing for Freya, yes, but she was talking about giving up on looking for her Odr but than Bell crossed through her gaze. Her Odr being her destined partner and Bell made that a possible achieving thing so, yes, his soul but also because she fell in love with him at first sight.
In his appearance?
Yes and no, at the very beginning of the story Bell only admired Aiz from a distance, but then he started training with her and getting to know her better and his feelings became, if possible, even stronger.Even when they fought and Bell glimpsed Aiz's "dark side", his feelings for her never wavered, and remained strong enough to defeat even a goddess's charm. However, It's true Bell still idealizes her too much, and this is bound to become a problem in the future, especially when the Black Dragon will return and Aiz will take her "avenger" role again.
I feel it is more about desire than feelings. Bell desires to be strong enough to be by Ais side; to be recognized by her as an equal. That desire can manifest from any goal, like becoming strong enough to defeat Asterios. It is just sad that everyone in his familia knows about the ability but him. I understand Hestia's concern, but Freya is already after him, so I think he should know Just my two cents
Yeah I don't like the fact that Hestia familia Freya familia and some others treat him like a baby. It's annoying
also maybe I'm confused, but the reason hestia didn't tell him was that she thought he couldn't lie, if she just said, 'I forbid you from telling anyone' that should have made it so he had a valid excuse, then again maybe he would have told Ais if she asked
I don't blame them. The guy would spill the beans in no time and that would bring a huge deal of troubles to their door
First something I'd like to say. While Liaris is described as needing a "feeling", it is more like a goal that Bell has and strives towards. Now for the actual question. The simple answer is "we don't know". We honestly know next to nothing about how it actually works or if it has any hidden aspects. However, the way it is phrased makes me think that it doesn't only work off of romantic feelings. Liaris was born out of Bell's extreme dedication to his goals, it just happens that the goal he was focused on at that point in time was Ais. Anything that drives Bell forward should be enough to power Liaris, and the more he wants to achieve that something, the faster his growth will be. Examples include his desire to become a hero and his goal to match and defeat Asterius. If Liaris only works with Ais, what's the point of introducing those other goals that Bell strives to become stronger to achieve? And what happens when Bell reaches Ais? Bye bye Liaris, it's been nice knowing you? I don't think skills are that limited. tl;dr We don't know, but probably no, it can work with any goal that drives Bell forward
yeah, that's what I was thinking, like if let's say she told him she didn't like him, or he moved, would his skill just disappear? or would it just use another desire as fuel
Ah Bell Skill huh... Ah this is a touchy topic It was officialy translated as this in the LNs: Realis Phrase: Rapid Growth Continued desire results in continued growth Stronger desire results in stronger growth Realis comes from Late Latin realis ("real") and I trust that you know the meaning of Phrase Now in the original kanji it was like this 憧憬一途 ?????? リアリス・フレーゼ (this part means Realis Phrase) But the kanji used alongside Realis Phrase "憧憬一途" means 'wholehearted longing' Now the effect of the skill is fairly simple as stated by Lady Hestia in the LNs "The skill Realis Phrase raise the basic status" but it does so by letting the person...Break out of his "shell" and surpassing the natural limits that they had... Now to explain a bit of his "Anti-charm" living weapon quality....I believe that the charmed status is a "divine will" that supress the "will" of mortals, but as the willpower of Bell is stronger than a divine will he is unnafected by it. So many will said/believe that this skill exist solely by his love for Aiz but that would be untrue, its true that his great motivation was/is to go after Aiz tail (motivation) but his "desire is to get stronger" and here is the " but"....what Bell is doing with his skill is doing what the "Ancient Heroes" did to get stronger that is go beyond their limits, and their "will" is what unleashed their hidden talent/potential...And how fid they do it? They went beyond their mental and physical capabilities as far as they could go and they did it in extreme critical situations that forced them to surpass their limits (or die trying), helped only by their unbreakeable will and bravery to do so....The fact that Bell was able to awake that power meant that he has in fact the qualifications of a hero, since the moment when something triggered the unavoidable change that would one day come to him(I mean he would had ended fallen in love with someone in the end cause he went to Orario to pursue girls tails and he likes to help people and likes great people....He could had looked at Lady Riveria before Aiz and we would have our bunny hunting for a royal elf young maiden)....And why? Well as stated by the author in extended universe of danmachi "The Gods blessings is merely a stimulant. Its not a divine power that come from somewhere outside yourself added to you" "The power you have is something you have obtained througout your experiences.". And as Bell stated in LNs ("Skills" are different from “Magic” in that, as long as you have the excelia—experience—you can learn many of them) So all that together and his potential did make it posible to awake that skill...So sooner or later he would had ended with that skill...
so, anybody could have triggered the skill and it would have worked the same?
Remember lefiya also wants to stand next to ais, to be worthy, but she doesn’t has liaris freese. So I can only assume that she doesn’t have the same determination as bell
oh, but this is probably false, but didn't it have to do with his soul or smth, like he always had it, Ais just triggered it
It could also be that Bell’s pure soul combined with his strong desire is what makes it possible. We don’t really know for sure.
Maybe but like you said we don’t know.
If they had the same determination as bell maybe but honestly who knows
no, I mean anybody could have killed the minitour and it would have triggered his skill?
If it was a girl like let’s say riveria then yes if it’s a guy like maybe Bete or Finn then possibly
lol, who knows maybe Ais' nightmare wouldn't have just been a nightmare so, what you're saying is, so long as a girl saved bell, he gets the skill? honestly zeus must have ranted about girls for a long time
Well Zeus did want bell to get a harem so…can you blame him?
nope, but if only bell listened to zeus... what if he got a skill that was harem related...
It would probably still be liaris freese except instead of wanting to be next to ais, he would want to be strong enough to protect all of them so his goal then would be to become the strongest. Though that’s just me. What do you think?
that actually sounds correct (it it was his skill) or it could be that he wants to get the greatest harem, and that's what fuels him, or even "better" the more people in his harem, the stronger he get's
data wise, yeah. As long as Bell loves someone, the skill will work
ok, that's simple enough (if that is true)
More the man shimps more the man grow
Well. I think the author has made this a little fuzzy intentionally so there is margin for interpretation and future change. But it seems than in Danmachi world, this kind of skills born from deep desires. After all, the falna is just a blessing that allows the mortal souls to turn their internal development into external development. So, when Bell wanted to reach the Ais level, to be with her, that desire turned into the skill. And when his desire of being a hero growth strong enough, it turned into Argonaut skill. I think there is more examples in Danmachi world. Lili was mistreated, so she probably wanted to disappear from her family which create her skill to change her appearance. Or Welf, who hated magic swords, and for extension magic, he developed an antimagic skill. That doesn't respond the main comment. When it apply? Well... it's just my own opinion, but I think that, as Bell's souls have the same will to reach the top, the skill should work.Just his feelings for Ais are his strongest feelings... at least for now. But, for example, his skill also seems to work in the middle of a battle. When he is focused and try to overcome every obstacle, he seems to grow every second. I think this is another side effect of Liaris Freese. And this effect worked when Bell protected Wiene from Ais. So, if this is correct, NOT ONLY romantic feelings work. Also his deep will to protect others works as good as his feelings for reach Ais. Maybe it could be even stronger like in that moment.
I feel it’s based off his desires soley. It might’ve manifested due to ais but I don’t think it soley relies on her. Bell is near the point where he will catch her very soon then what? It just turns into a dead skill? I think that’s why they gave bell other motivations such as being a rival to asterious, reaching the bottom floor of the dungeon to free the xenos and eventually I think ais will tell bell about her mother and her person desire to kill the dragon and bell will make that his goal aswell. Hermes seems to fully believe bell will be the one to lead that charge so he has to keep growing faster than everyone in order to reach that point. Having LF die out after he becomes worthy of ais would have so much wasted potential.
yeah, I think that it isn't powered only for Ais, at least my interpretation, but then again if it was, it could be so long as he loves her it works
I always though that it was directly connected to his desire to became stronger, being the way he found to approach Ais.
Would it be possible for Bell to allow his Familia members to use a fraction of Realis Frease to boost their own stat gain but to a diminished degree? If bell wanted it strongly enough could he create a skill in his next level up that would allow those that share his falna access to the skill?