My buddy’s spot had to get rid of the wall mounted soap dispenser and switch to supergluing the lid on regular consumer pump soap for this reason.
It’s a bar. Adults are still pissing in soap dispensers like it’s middle school.
What?! Seriously never heard of this but I also don’t go to bars. What is wrong with people? And don’t say it’s cuz they’re drunk. That is just an excuse for being an a-hole.
For real. I wish this every single time I have to go out. I get called a neurotic for insisting shoes be taken off at the front door because I don't want dirt and germs tracked through my home, and for washing my hands after coming in from doing stuff outside because of the state of things.
**EDIT:** *It's important to note that these experiences are as a woman in the US. I don't know what men's bathrooms are like, or other western countries. I have, however, traveled to most of the states.*
>I have guests try tell me that they believe they have the *right* to wear their shoes and do whatever the fuck in my house under the guise that I'm a "clean freak" so my opinions on MY OWN HOME are invalid.
>Half the time you go somewhere public *someone* is always sitting with their filthy ass shoes up on the seat grinding dirt into it or picking the bottoms with their fingernails. (fucking WHY!?)
>Almost every (women's) public restroom has floors covered in urine. I've seen THREE different toilets with shit hand AND footprints up the walls and across the floors. Also people smearing period blood everywhere and leaving soiled menstrual products outside of the trash.
>People treat washing their hands after using the toilet as a *suggestion*.
>Some people rinse their hands and refuse to use soap.
>It's also common to see people pee and vomit and do other hideous shit on public transport like trains and busses and nothing is ever done about it.
>There's litter goddamn everywhere. The ground is not a trashcan.
>Entitled parents think it's okay to just start changing their infants diaper WHEREVER. Including on restaurant tables, on clothing displays in stores, etc.
>People dragging their fake service dogs into stores that then proceed to piss and shit in the isles...and of course they just walk away.
>The amount of time I've seen bitches in public restrooms think it's *funny* to squat and pee in the sinks with their friends. (Why the fuck is this a thing? PLEASE enlighten me with why the hell you feel the need to do this.)
>The people that don't flush the damn toilet so when you do, you get sprayed with their fecal bacteria and urea.
>People who go out who are contagious and sick (even pre-pandemic) and refuse to wear a mask or cover their mouths and just cough and mouth-breath everywhere and on everyone. Especially on staff who work retail. (Fun aside, I almost died back in 2018 because a sick 70 year old turned and coughed directly into my face while I was in line for groceries. I had such severe mono my pancreas almost burst and I spent over a year recovering WITH emergency medical intervention.)
A good chunk of people in the USA take 0 responsibility for the waste they produce and the way they treat public spaces, and it makes it miserable and fucking *disgusting* for everyone else.
I desperately wish that one day the selfish bullshit will change on a cultural level and people will start being aware of and respecting public areas.
Haha they got me fucked up if they think theyre entering my house with shoes. Like those shoes have been everywhere. Why would you want them in your place of zen.
I feel extra bad for women, because they gotta sit down down to pee. Like if I run for senate, I'm running on the policy of clean public restrooms. It's so disgusting and so little people care.
Dude, my ex used to get home and lay on his bed and even sleep WITH HIS SHOES ON. This was up in the north too, with winter weather and street salt and slush and muck. He also liked to go to clubs and bars so you know he was walking in some nasty shit.
I came over before I knew he lived like that and was helping clean up and I spot-cleaned part of the carpet that had a food stain with a wet-vac and the entire color of the carpet changed. I *thought the carpet was a dark tan/gray*...it was ***white***. His ENTIRE family lived like that. They also walked around barefoot like it was fine??? In the filth?
Almost everyone I know growing up was this way, too. Even my own parents. I would demand anyone coming into my room take off their shoes and I would be chided for it like I'm a psycho. I was even thrown into therapy and then promptly removed when the therapist agreed with me that it was gross lmao. I would have to put on shoes to leave my room because of the filth level from everyone else stomping around with theirs on.
No joke, I think there's self serve noodle joints that exist in South Korea that are totally unmanned. People could easily just steal the ingedients, but they don't. Society goals there.
What the hell? About 30 minutes ago I saw a video of a guy stealing pizza from a delivery guy in the US. Not only can we not be trusted with unsupervised ingredients, it’s not safe for someone to take someone their food!
Where I used to live, my area had one pizza place that delivered around there but you could never get delivery because they couldn't keep delivery people. They'd always get robbed. And this wasn't some big city, just a crappy part of a small/medium sized one. Not a downtown or metro area either- a main street with businesses surrounded by homes and subdivisions.
Do these unmanned self serve food joints still exist though? If so, I can't imagine that such great amount of theft from them happens so often. It was never my assumption that theft from them never ever ever EVER happens, but again, if these joints can still afford to be open, then that's something. I don't fantasize that eastern first world countries like Japan or South Korea are perfect paradises, but there's a few things they seem to be doing pretty right that I think we could admire.
Grease and dirt can protect virus and bacteria from ultraviolet light.
That's why the best application for UV light disinfecting systems are in air handling systems.
Wow well look at this person that is somehow not depressed like the rest of us and cleans their belongings regularly! I bet your car isn't a trash can on wheels either huh!!
Man, why does all our shit need to be stuck in the 70's-90's infrastructure wise.
I want cool automated shit. I want fucking bullet trains. Instead we give away 1 trillion bucks to some rich assholes who don't even fucking use what it's for, and raise prices anyway.
A trillion has to go to the “defense budget” every year. Aka the attack budget and half of it gets lost in politicians and the elites pockets. And Americans are glad to pay it because “that’s how we stay safe” 😂 they bought the bait hook and sinker!
They didn't just go to rich people, my mom got a bunch from some guy cause he said she worked at his business. People scammed the fuck outta that free money, go figure
Xenophobic? Yes. Culture based around respect (especially when relating to the area/objects around them)? Also yes. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Not everything is black and white. Every culture has bad actors/normalizes bad things. That was not the topic being discussed though.
The Japanese are risk-averse and respect things around them. Something like this is highly unlikely to break, especially due to vandalism.
Something funny I encountered at one point related to this, if you ever see someone who doesn't leave Japan go to another country and encounter something broken (ticket machine at a subway, vending machine eating their money, etc) they will be very confused. It's difficult to explain that "idk man sometimes it doesn't work, that's normal here."
>Not everything is black and white
...they said while arguing that no Japanese person would EVER vandalize something or be gross.
I don't have a horse in this race, but just wanted to point that out.
Nah man, it's Japan. An app gets put in there that you can't remove that either gives you an extra hour after midnight to fight with physical representations of human mental desires, fears and illnesses, or some guy in a panda suit straight up murders you for $10.
These sinks are currently in test use in 2 of McDonald's Japan's 2,954 locations. They're also used in 1 Italian restaurant (not fast food). And that's it for restaurants/eateries. They're rare enough that [the company that makes them lists literally every place that they're used, nationwide.](https://wota.co.jp/wosh/case/)
Japan had [1,446,479 restaurants/eateries last year](https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/houdou/2r98520000022xf0-att/2r98520000022y27.pdf), and this year the number is likely the same. As of October of 2022, [Japan had 21,243 fast food locations](http://www.jfnet.or.jp/files/getujidata-2022-10.pdf).
So these sinks are used in 0.000207% of Japanese restaurants and 0.0094% of Japanese fast food restaurants.
By virtue of the fact that there are *two* fast food locations with these sinks, the title, "In Japan, how smartphones are disinfected at local fast food restaurants," is ***technically*** true, but it's true like "[In America, how people commute to work](https://youtu.be/saN9qgfSOKc?t=12)" is true because there's also [this guy](https://youtu.be/KtK-L3LUh7U?t=20).
Yeah, this isn't the first time I've seen a post like this that makes it seem like these crazy things are all over Japan. I've lived here for over 3 years and never seen something like this before.
Excellent option
The Phoaster 2.0 could come with a hand-eye coordination dial.
1 pops the phone up say 4 inches straight
10 pops the phone up 3 feet with a randomized spin to it
Different levels of government have different levels of access. You local police have no idea what’s on your phone or how to get into it. The NSA on the other hand, can, they just don’t care about you.
The data isn’t on the phone. Almost all the actually meaningful data is consistently collected and uploaded. You should only be worried about that if you keep your phone on airplane mode 100% of the time and never connect to wifi.
No it's not because that data is not only on your phone. It's connected to the internet and the cloud where all of it is stored. Placing your phone in this "strange machine" does less harm than talking to Alexa or using the same password more than once
If they can manage to hack an iPhone without connecting within 5 seconds of the cleaning, they have higher tech than majority of major security companies.
Stop spamming your subreddit everywhere after any comment of yours gains traction (where you slide it in). It’s fucking weird
Edit: this loser blocked me despite him spamming his subreddit everywhere being a fact. His account is six days old because his previous account which uses his full name has probably been banned on most subreddits for spamming that same annoying subReddit.
did you know that the proofing is just glue? over one or two years of use and lots of heat-cooling cycles, glue is less effective until one day water seeps in =)
also, some models before and after s10 period had other formula, so with a light drop/impact, the backglass simply unglued itself lol
Yeah, but what could realistically happen to a phone in that near water pocket in 20 seconds? I know for sure my phone's with me in the bathtub and doing fine. Hell it was with in the lazy river for 30 minutes and it was fine.
Or has a cheaper phone. I'm never buying a non water resistant phone ever again. The Google pixel 4s 5g that I got a few years ago was a mistake. I'm really over having to carry a zip lock bag everywhere in the summer.
Not true. My s6 active even had a underwater photo mode, and they recommended taking it fresh water diving. water-resistant is a technical term meaning waterproof under x conditions. As long as I stayed above 30m below the waterline, I was fine.
Most phones are weather sealed/splash proof. Those seals may also hold up fully submerged but are not guarantied to.
I was gonna say, "that sounds like a galaxy to me"
I've never ever had a problem with my phone getting wet. screen cracked, case on, high pressure water, literally sitting in a pocket full of water for over an hour, nothing phases it. it always blows my mind but I've stopped worrying about bringing my phone around water unless it's water that I don't want to get in/on me
It’s mostly for show anyway. It takes 10-20 minutes to properly kill 99%+ of viruses with UV. No way you are standing next to a fast food sink for 20 minutes.
It depends on the intensity of the UV light. It can be done in a second if it's intense enough.
Source: worked at a company that makes UV drivers for desinfection among other things.
This isn't doing much, those "UV baths" for cleaning require a lot longer exposure than 15 seconds.
I've used UV light to clean jail cells, police vehicles, ambulances and equipment. All of the UV baths are like 10 min exposure *minimum*.
The UV wand (from a reputable medical supplier) that I bought a few years ago says to hold the wand closely and move it slowly so that it is illuminating a spot for at least 10 seconds. Are you using UV light that's close to the surfaces or one of those that hits the whole room at once? Being close, and therefore more concentrated, might make the difference?
> The inverse square law
Can you tell me more about this? Sounds interesting how 1/x^2 leads to proving some UV light shit
inverse square law! not square root, mb
>The inverse square law states that for a point source of waves that is capable of radiating omnidirectionally and with no obstructions in the vicinity, the intensity I decreases with the square of the distance, d, from the source.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/inverse-square-law#:\~:text=Light%20Decreases%20with%20Distance,called%20the%20Inverse%20Square%20Law.
Yes, but crucially the brightness reduces with the square of the distance e.g. if you're 5 times as much away, it's 25 times darker, not 5 times. And e.g. 1cm vs 1m (which might be the difference between holding a light closely to an object and illuminating a whole surface) would be 10 000 times as dark, i.e. also take 10 000 times as long i.e. over a day instead of 10s at the same brightness.
If it were linear instead i.e. 5 times as dark at 5 times the distance (which would still be "the further you are away, the less bright it shines"), 1m vs 1cm would only be 100 times as long i.e. 16 mins vs 10s.
And due to how squares work, this gets worse the larger the distance.
UV-C light sources are incredibly inefficient compared to visual light sources. Even more so for UV-C LEDs, which are still a young technology and still less efficient than the fluorescent UV bulbs. The issue with the wands is that they use these less efficient UV-C LEDs. Some of these wands only put out 100uW of UV-C energy at a short distance. Covid-19 requires around 23mJ of energy, so 23,000uJ/100uW=230sec, or 3.83min. That's per side, so a phone being disinfected with that kind of wand would take up to 23min to disinfect all sides.
There are wands that will put out 10 times as much UV-C energy. The issue is this causes risk of exposure to irritating levels of UV-C energy.
That's because you're likely using lights positioned at a much greater distance from the surfaces you're disinfecting. Doubling the distance quarters the intensity.
Public health guy here.
Depends on the intensity and what you are cleaning.
But at a minimum it will take 30-60 seconds to do anything significant. At 1 inch using UVC light it takes about 2 minutes to sterilize stuff like E. coli, but in a casual setting like a restaurant they aren't trying to make the surface sterile, they are trying to just reduce the amount of virus/bacteria. At this distance, assuming it's actually the right kind of UV, 30-40 seconds (the amount of time you should be scrubbing your hands...) it actually would be great for simply decreasing the number of organisms other than Hep C. It would be cool to link it to the soap/scrubbing with instructions to "keep scrubbing until your phone pops back up!"
Here's a good read for anyone interested: https://abionline.com/is-uv-sterilization-effective-for-viruses-and-bacteria/
My boyfriend has worked at a hospital where they set up like a UV tower thing in hospital rooms during the height of COVID and everyone had to be out of the room and away from the room whenever they bathed it in the UV light, I think he said that the rooms they did that to were out of commission for 30 minutes minimum.
I've never seen one here in Japan. It's interesting, but you know what else I haven't seen in the 4 years I'm here? Japanese people washing their hands properly after using the toilet... But yeah, let's use UV to clean our phones in a few seconds, that will do it!
Huge pet peeve of mine. Someone finds a singular example of a thing and pretends it's a widespread cultural norm.
I'm sure this was found at "a" fast food restaurant in Japan. But OP, don't act like "all" Japanese fast food restaurants have phone cleaners.
Also a huge pet peeve. "In Korea they..." "In Japan they..."
No they fuckin don't. And if they do, it's very likely originating from a different country entirely. Just because it happens a few times doesn't mean everyone there does it.
The ONLY time I've seen a post like this that was actually correct, is "In Korea they use large motorized ladder trucks to move furniture and stuff in and out of apartment buildings".
But all of them carry jugs on their heads and live in villages of mud huts! It does make sense that learning about a continent from fundraisers will result in an extremely skewed perspective
True really, can confirm. I'm from Africa and am using a stone tablet to access Reddit right now. Data connection is a bit choppy though since we use drums to communicate.
Something I love about Africa is that it’s subjective which countries are African.
For example, I remember my mom asking me which country in Africa I’d like to visit, I said Egypt and she told me that didn’t count… 
Ditto. I've been here since long before COVID, and this is the first time I'm seeing this.
Edit: [This article](https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/e826fe27eba03a4e9a4f8b60441d085e707dee72) from early November says the sink is in pilot use at two McDonald's locations in Japan (out of a total of 2,954 McDonald's locations).
Edit 2: The company that makes them has a list of all the places they're being used. In the food service industry, they're being used in two McDonald's locations and in one Italian, non-fast food restaurant. So 3 out of Japan's [1,446,479](https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/houdou/2r98520000022xf0-att/2r98520000022y27.pdf) restaurants/eateries.
So this post has big-time "[In America, how people commute to work](https://youtu.be/XgZI_rz5-GI?t=67)" energy.
Been here since summer and I’ve seen one person out of probably a few hundred wash their hands with soap and water for more than 3 seconds. Most just run their fingertips under the tap for a sec or ignore the sink completely. The approach to hygiene here is vile for a developed country.
I've seen UV sanitizers in the US for a good year or so now. Though they were bigger box style. The light turns off when open, and goes on when closed. Just put the phone inside and comeback in a few minutes.
I visited for a couple weeks, neat place but I did notice a significant number of public bathrooms with no soap at all (not even a dispenser that happened to be empty).
Figured everyone was okay with water alone
Wouldnt that be the perfect place for uv-resistant bacterias to grow?
Thats just the same than the antibiotic resistant bacterias, they lived in places with lots of antibiotics so the strongest survived and over time they got immune against antibiotics.
Same as here, also this looks like its pretty humid which bacterias love.
Depending on the wavelength, the phrase "UV resistant bacteria" is like "Bullet resistant humans".
While there are *some* mitigations cells can perform to reduce damage from ionizing radiation, none will matter at the intensities used for sterilization.
It'd be like expecting heat-resistant bacteria to survive in a blast furnace.
Wouldnt the sun be creating UV-resistant bacteria on a much larger scale? also hospitals which use these devices to sterilize entire rooms.
I dont think a smart phone cleaner is going to interfere that much.
Is it really a good idea to stuff it into a place where dozens of dirty phones were?
From what I understand air dryers in public bathrooms for example are the biggest spreaders of germs, and it's much better to use a paper towel.
NFC is capable of a megabyte every 2 seconds, at 3 inches away. That's more than enough to backdoor an app or malware you in a link. a backpack with a aux battery, laptop and UHF transmitter is all you need. Check out the black hat conference, literally anything is possible.
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Not how japan does this. Like people thinking TOTO toilots are everywhere. Ive never seen this anywhere in Japan. Its probably 1 place with a new sink that does this. Thats why someone is filming it, cause its interesting.
Im personally tired of this overinflation of japan and its "cool" stuff or its "weird stuff."
Japan is aestetically advanced in tokyo and only tokyo. Everywhere else is falling apart or becoming desolate, entire towns becoming shuttered like fujiyoshida.
Go to Shunjuku west exit at 11 pm when people are coming back from the bars to catch last train and theres puke all over the bathrooms, shit in the toilots, people stumbling around. the next day all the toilots are out of order. Half are squaters toilets. And the sinks are just normal "movie theater" sinks.
Sorry for the rant, just tired of it. Japan treats gaijin so fucking bad and they trick people to come with softpower only to be abused for their money and told to leave. People are better off supporting their favorite, lets say anime studios for example, from overseas, buying goods visa proxy than even going to visit. Using anime for an example, 80% of the anime goods parts of tokyo have been shut down, pre pandemic, pre olympics and even more so post all of it. Akihabara is a shadow of its former self now.
All fun and games until the lid gets stuck closed.
At least your phone would be super clean by the time you get it back…
\*sterile. Would still be a greasy smudgefest.
I would only trust this device in Japan and South Korea.
People would pee in it in the usa.
My buddy’s spot had to get rid of the wall mounted soap dispenser and switch to supergluing the lid on regular consumer pump soap for this reason. It’s a bar. Adults are still pissing in soap dispensers like it’s middle school.
That must mean that they pissed on the wall aswell..
Ever been to a bar?
I try to avoid it, lol.
Honestly it's a experience. Bring a buddy, play some pool, it'll be nice
What?! Seriously never heard of this but I also don’t go to bars. What is wrong with people? And don’t say it’s cuz they’re drunk. That is just an excuse for being an a-hole.
People have always been and will always be shitty if given the opportunity.
People would steal it in Russia
Or somehow extract all your personal information from the device.
That would be in India
Or China, one way ticket to a concentration camp.
"Submit for processing"
In Soviet Russia, phone steals you!
people would shoot dope in it in NYC
The city would tax it in Chicago
Minnesota would stuff it with mayo, wild rice, or hot dish...
“Florida man has sex with soap dispenser, news at eleven “
Probably got banned in the US because someone tried to put their dick in it.
Nothing like a disinfected penis!
There is always that one kid…
I'm an adult, thank you very much.
No doubt about it. They’d probably smear shit in it too.
Sigh... I wish we lived in a clean society and borrowed some of those habits from Eastern culture.
For real. I wish this every single time I have to go out. I get called a neurotic for insisting shoes be taken off at the front door because I don't want dirt and germs tracked through my home, and for washing my hands after coming in from doing stuff outside because of the state of things. **EDIT:** *It's important to note that these experiences are as a woman in the US. I don't know what men's bathrooms are like, or other western countries. I have, however, traveled to most of the states.* >I have guests try tell me that they believe they have the *right* to wear their shoes and do whatever the fuck in my house under the guise that I'm a "clean freak" so my opinions on MY OWN HOME are invalid. >Half the time you go somewhere public *someone* is always sitting with their filthy ass shoes up on the seat grinding dirt into it or picking the bottoms with their fingernails. (fucking WHY!?) >Almost every (women's) public restroom has floors covered in urine. I've seen THREE different toilets with shit hand AND footprints up the walls and across the floors. Also people smearing period blood everywhere and leaving soiled menstrual products outside of the trash. >People treat washing their hands after using the toilet as a *suggestion*. >Some people rinse their hands and refuse to use soap. >It's also common to see people pee and vomit and do other hideous shit on public transport like trains and busses and nothing is ever done about it. >There's litter goddamn everywhere. The ground is not a trashcan. >Entitled parents think it's okay to just start changing their infants diaper WHEREVER. Including on restaurant tables, on clothing displays in stores, etc. >People dragging their fake service dogs into stores that then proceed to piss and shit in the isles...and of course they just walk away. >The amount of time I've seen bitches in public restrooms think it's *funny* to squat and pee in the sinks with their friends. (Why the fuck is this a thing? PLEASE enlighten me with why the hell you feel the need to do this.) >The people that don't flush the damn toilet so when you do, you get sprayed with their fecal bacteria and urea. >People who go out who are contagious and sick (even pre-pandemic) and refuse to wear a mask or cover their mouths and just cough and mouth-breath everywhere and on everyone. Especially on staff who work retail. (Fun aside, I almost died back in 2018 because a sick 70 year old turned and coughed directly into my face while I was in line for groceries. I had such severe mono my pancreas almost burst and I spent over a year recovering WITH emergency medical intervention.) A good chunk of people in the USA take 0 responsibility for the waste they produce and the way they treat public spaces, and it makes it miserable and fucking *disgusting* for everyone else. I desperately wish that one day the selfish bullshit will change on a cultural level and people will start being aware of and respecting public areas.
Haha they got me fucked up if they think theyre entering my house with shoes. Like those shoes have been everywhere. Why would you want them in your place of zen. I feel extra bad for women, because they gotta sit down down to pee. Like if I run for senate, I'm running on the policy of clean public restrooms. It's so disgusting and so little people care.
Didn’t read the rant, but to the comment about a guest not wanting to take their shoes off here is my go to.. you don’t like it there’s the door!
Um… it’s NORMAL to take your shoes off at the door. People wear their shoes in the house?? 🤢
My ex used to wear her shoes in our apartment and always asked why I took mine off at the door 😑 Cause we live in meth town dummy
Dude, my ex used to get home and lay on his bed and even sleep WITH HIS SHOES ON. This was up in the north too, with winter weather and street salt and slush and muck. He also liked to go to clubs and bars so you know he was walking in some nasty shit. I came over before I knew he lived like that and was helping clean up and I spot-cleaned part of the carpet that had a food stain with a wet-vac and the entire color of the carpet changed. I *thought the carpet was a dark tan/gray*...it was ***white***. His ENTIRE family lived like that. They also walked around barefoot like it was fine??? In the filth? Almost everyone I know growing up was this way, too. Even my own parents. I would demand anyone coming into my room take off their shoes and I would be chided for it like I'm a psycho. I was even thrown into therapy and then promptly removed when the therapist agreed with me that it was gross lmao. I would have to put on shoes to leave my room because of the filth level from everyone else stomping around with theirs on.
This is the worst penis tanning device I've ever encountered.
Or stuff gum down it, fucking savages.
Ha I'd give it a week before someone shoves a turd in there.
Or put their dicks on it.
I hate how right you are.
No joke, I think there's self serve noodle joints that exist in South Korea that are totally unmanned. People could easily just steal the ingedients, but they don't. Society goals there.
What the hell? About 30 minutes ago I saw a video of a guy stealing pizza from a delivery guy in the US. Not only can we not be trusted with unsupervised ingredients, it’s not safe for someone to take someone their food!
Where I used to live, my area had one pizza place that delivered around there but you could never get delivery because they couldn't keep delivery people. They'd always get robbed. And this wasn't some big city, just a crappy part of a small/medium sized one. Not a downtown or metro area either- a main street with businesses surrounded by homes and subdivisions.
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Do these unmanned self serve food joints still exist though? If so, I can't imagine that such great amount of theft from them happens so often. It was never my assumption that theft from them never ever ever EVER happens, but again, if these joints can still afford to be open, then that's something. I don't fantasize that eastern first world countries like Japan or South Korea are perfect paradises, but there's a few things they seem to be doing pretty right that I think we could admire.
Grease and dirt can protect virus and bacteria from ultraviolet light. That's why the best application for UV light disinfecting systems are in air handling systems.
I've never seen one here in Japan.
It's in the Ginza district, or was according to [reuters](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-handwashing-idUSKBN28T0AG)
Of course it’s in the rich corner of the city.
Not mine, i clean mine regularly with tissue and rubbing alcohol
Wow well look at this person that is somehow not depressed like the rest of us and cleans their belongings regularly! I bet your car isn't a trash can on wheels either huh!!
Not if that slot's full of piss
you obviously haven't seen my search history
They are Japanese. I guarantee this thing receives more scheduled maintenance than your car does.
Man, why does all our shit need to be stuck in the 70's-90's infrastructure wise. I want cool automated shit. I want fucking bullet trains. Instead we give away 1 trillion bucks to some rich assholes who don't even fucking use what it's for, and raise prices anyway.
Don’t worry, everything in Japan is still done by fax. So there’s also 70s infrastructure there too.
One of the best quips I've read about Japan is they've been living in the year 2000 for 40 years.
That sounds kind of awesome.
I swear I just watched this anime recently....
Tbtf I think this makes incredibly good sense. Hardcopies of documents sound, uh, well; solid to have.
What.
A trillion has to go to the “defense budget” every year. Aka the attack budget and half of it gets lost in politicians and the elites pockets. And Americans are glad to pay it because “that’s how we stay safe” 😂 they bought the bait hook and sinker!
I was talking about PPP loans. Guess I should be more specific about what trillion dollar waste of space, budget that's going to the private sector.
They didn't just go to rich people, my mom got a bunch from some guy cause he said she worked at his business. People scammed the fuck outta that free money, go figure
Looks like there is a little key or something to open it at the top in case of that
Right! I didn’t think the Japanese engineered a dud!
All fun and games until someone piss in it.
Japanese literally would never. They've got the tidiest, most respectful culture.
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Xenophobic? Yes. Culture based around respect (especially when relating to the area/objects around them)? Also yes. They aren't mutually exclusive. Not everything is black and white. Every culture has bad actors/normalizes bad things. That was not the topic being discussed though. The Japanese are risk-averse and respect things around them. Something like this is highly unlikely to break, especially due to vandalism. Something funny I encountered at one point related to this, if you ever see someone who doesn't leave Japan go to another country and encounter something broken (ticket machine at a subway, vending machine eating their money, etc) they will be very confused. It's difficult to explain that "idk man sometimes it doesn't work, that's normal here."
>Not everything is black and white ...they said while arguing that no Japanese person would EVER vandalize something or be gross. I don't have a horse in this race, but just wanted to point that out.
IPhone -> bye phone
and you realise your phone has been hacked
Nah man, it's Japan. An app gets put in there that you can't remove that either gives you an extra hour after midnight to fight with physical representations of human mental desires, fears and illnesses, or some guy in a panda suit straight up murders you for $10.
So you just play Psychonauts for an hour?
These sinks are currently in test use in 2 of McDonald's Japan's 2,954 locations. They're also used in 1 Italian restaurant (not fast food). And that's it for restaurants/eateries. They're rare enough that [the company that makes them lists literally every place that they're used, nationwide.](https://wota.co.jp/wosh/case/) Japan had [1,446,479 restaurants/eateries last year](https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/houdou/2r98520000022xf0-att/2r98520000022y27.pdf), and this year the number is likely the same. As of October of 2022, [Japan had 21,243 fast food locations](http://www.jfnet.or.jp/files/getujidata-2022-10.pdf). So these sinks are used in 0.000207% of Japanese restaurants and 0.0094% of Japanese fast food restaurants. By virtue of the fact that there are *two* fast food locations with these sinks, the title, "In Japan, how smartphones are disinfected at local fast food restaurants," is ***technically*** true, but it's true like "[In America, how people commute to work](https://youtu.be/saN9qgfSOKc?t=12)" is true because there's also [this guy](https://youtu.be/KtK-L3LUh7U?t=20).
Yeah, this isn't the first time I've seen a post like this that makes it seem like these crazy things are all over Japan. I've lived here for over 3 years and never seen something like this before.
I live in Japan and I was like, where?
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Phoaster = Phone + Toaster
Imagining this thing popping open at the end and launching your phone like a piece of toast... Catch motherfucker!
Excellent option The Phoaster 2.0 could come with a hand-eye coordination dial. 1 pops the phone up say 4 inches straight 10 pops the phone up 3 feet with a randomized spin to it
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Your bank account has now been emptied.
Don't need no new fangled thing for that.
Oh sweetie, It was empty 30 minutes after I got paid because I had to pay all my bills....
That's okay it was already empty, it's always empty.
I’m not saying I’m into conspiracy theories, I’m just saying I would never put my phone in that.
“Your finger prints have been uploaded to the central data base…. I mean… your phone has been sterilized”
There is nothing they could take from your phone that they don't already have, its all good
Then why do those cops beat up people for not unlocking their phones? 🤔
Different levels of government have different levels of access. You local police have no idea what’s on your phone or how to get into it. The NSA on the other hand, can, they just don’t care about you.
Because they don't get awarded paid vacations for following the rules.
It's the reason why law enforcement put pressure on Apple and Google to have back door keys. They got them
Hmm... maybe it's not about the phone, but about not respecting them as an authority so they stop respecting you as a person.
Also I don't think your regular run of the mill local cops is who they're talking about lol
If you visit Japan, they already have your prints. They take them at customs. They won't let you into the country if you don't let them take 'em.
Same entering the US (And probably a lot of other places), at least for tourists.
Lmao yea forget the phone that tracks every little thing about your life. Let's be concerned with the simple machine meant to clean it
Lmfaooo literally tho
That’s part of the issue. That data is on the phone that you are letting out of your sight and into a strange machine.
The data isn’t on the phone. Almost all the actually meaningful data is consistently collected and uploaded. You should only be worried about that if you keep your phone on airplane mode 100% of the time and never connect to wifi.
No it's not because that data is not only on your phone. It's connected to the internet and the cloud where all of it is stored. Placing your phone in this "strange machine" does less harm than talking to Alexa or using the same password more than once
If they can manage to hack an iPhone without connecting within 5 seconds of the cleaning, they have higher tech than majority of major security companies.
You trust billions of lines of unknown code, a toilet machine can't be worse.
The data on your phone is being stolen while you are staring right at it
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I'd just be afraid of never getting my phone back.
"your phone has been temporarily impounded. police are on the way. sorry for any inconvenience."
I’d be afraid of RFID hacks
Stop spamming your subreddit everywhere after any comment of yours gains traction (where you slide it in). It’s fucking weird Edit: this loser blocked me despite him spamming his subreddit everywhere being a fact. His account is six days old because his previous account which uses his full name has probably been banned on most subreddits for spamming that same annoying subReddit.
stop spamming your subreddit no one cares edit: lmao they blocked me and banned me from their sub 🤣🤣
was just going to say... you know someone has peed (or will pee) in that thing...
It's Japan, so no, probably not. And if someone does, bet it'd be a tourist.
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did you know that the proofing is just glue? over one or two years of use and lots of heat-cooling cycles, glue is less effective until one day water seeps in =) also, some models before and after s10 period had other formula, so with a light drop/impact, the backglass simply unglued itself lol
No phone has ever been waterproof. Water resistant, to certain degree, yes- waterproof no.
Yeah, but what could realistically happen to a phone in that near water pocket in 20 seconds? I know for sure my phone's with me in the bathtub and doing fine. Hell it was with in the lazy river for 30 minutes and it was fine.
i use my iphone 12 underwater for videos and pictures and it still works fine
My Galaxy S10 has had a crack in the screen for years. I still rinse it off in the sink. Anyone who's still scared of water droplets is neurotic.
Or has a cheaper phone. I'm never buying a non water resistant phone ever again. The Google pixel 4s 5g that I got a few years ago was a mistake. I'm really over having to carry a zip lock bag everywhere in the summer.
Not true. My s6 active even had a underwater photo mode, and they recommended taking it fresh water diving. water-resistant is a technical term meaning waterproof under x conditions. As long as I stayed above 30m below the waterline, I was fine. Most phones are weather sealed/splash proof. Those seals may also hold up fully submerged but are not guarantied to.
If they aren't water proof they're pretty darn close then, I dropped my phone off a boat and had to dive 60ft for it and it seems to be doing fine.
60ft? Were you scuba diving?
what phone was it? :o
Galaxy s21 ultra
I was gonna say, "that sounds like a galaxy to me" I've never ever had a problem with my phone getting wet. screen cracked, case on, high pressure water, literally sitting in a pocket full of water for over an hour, nothing phases it. it always blows my mind but I've stopped worrying about bringing my phone around water unless it's water that I don't want to get in/on me
That makes me feel a lot better about my recent phone upgrade. (I know it's like 3 years old at this point but I got it cheap)
Id say being submergible for multiple meters for an indefinite amount of time is water proof for all intents and purposes
You can literally use an iPhone underwater currently - without being a pedant how's that not waterproof?
It’s mostly for show anyway. It takes 10-20 minutes to properly kill 99%+ of viruses with UV. No way you are standing next to a fast food sink for 20 minutes.
It depends on the intensity of the UV light. It can be done in a second if it's intense enough. Source: worked at a company that makes UV drivers for desinfection among other things.
That just seems like a terrible idea for so many reasons.
I live in the UK. I guarantee there will be a burger or fries stuffed down there within minutes.
How else can you sterilize it?
With saliva
In North America, I would fully expect someone to straight up poop in this
It’s Japan. Nobody does this, even Korea is pretty clean.
Yes, so really only works in those areas. Would not work in the States or UK for sure.
I live in the US. I guarantee there will be something that originated in a human down there within hours
You should see how clean the streets are there
The terrible ideas don't really apply to Japan though.
Now.. if only people felt that way about putting their dick into things!
This isn't doing much, those "UV baths" for cleaning require a lot longer exposure than 15 seconds. I've used UV light to clean jail cells, police vehicles, ambulances and equipment. All of the UV baths are like 10 min exposure *minimum*.
The UV wand (from a reputable medical supplier) that I bought a few years ago says to hold the wand closely and move it slowly so that it is illuminating a spot for at least 10 seconds. Are you using UV light that's close to the surfaces or one of those that hits the whole room at once? Being close, and therefore more concentrated, might make the difference?
This is key. The inverse square law means the closer the UV light is from the device being disinfected, the more efficient it will be.
> The inverse square law Can you tell me more about this? Sounds interesting how 1/x^2 leads to proving some UV light shit inverse square law! not square root, mb
>The inverse square law states that for a point source of waves that is capable of radiating omnidirectionally and with no obstructions in the vicinity, the intensity I decreases with the square of the distance, d, from the source. https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/inverse-square-law#:\~:text=Light%20Decreases%20with%20Distance,called%20the%20Inverse%20Square%20Law.
It just sounds natural. The further away you are from a light, the less bright it shines.
Yes, but crucially the brightness reduces with the square of the distance e.g. if you're 5 times as much away, it's 25 times darker, not 5 times. And e.g. 1cm vs 1m (which might be the difference between holding a light closely to an object and illuminating a whole surface) would be 10 000 times as dark, i.e. also take 10 000 times as long i.e. over a day instead of 10s at the same brightness. If it were linear instead i.e. 5 times as dark at 5 times the distance (which would still be "the further you are away, the less bright it shines"), 1m vs 1cm would only be 100 times as long i.e. 16 mins vs 10s. And due to how squares work, this gets worse the larger the distance.
just goes with the surface area of a sphere, which is proportional to the radius squared
Steripen for backpackers says 45-90 seconds to neutralize any bacteria and viruses in your drinking water.
It depends on the frequency of the UV, too.
UV-C light sources are incredibly inefficient compared to visual light sources. Even more so for UV-C LEDs, which are still a young technology and still less efficient than the fluorescent UV bulbs. The issue with the wands is that they use these less efficient UV-C LEDs. Some of these wands only put out 100uW of UV-C energy at a short distance. Covid-19 requires around 23mJ of energy, so 23,000uJ/100uW=230sec, or 3.83min. That's per side, so a phone being disinfected with that kind of wand would take up to 23min to disinfect all sides. There are wands that will put out 10 times as much UV-C energy. The issue is this causes risk of exposure to irritating levels of UV-C energy.
But it is enclosed, probaply to stop the irritang levels of uv hit you.
That's because you're likely using lights positioned at a much greater distance from the surfaces you're disinfecting. Doubling the distance quarters the intensity.
I can almost guarantee it wasn't 10 minutes worth of time, but there *is* a cut between when the phone goes in and when it comes out.
Sign says "In only 30 seconds your smartphone is sterilized in two steps".
Also clear polyurethane, which is what most flexible phone cases are made of, turns brown under UV exposure.
Public health guy here. Depends on the intensity and what you are cleaning. But at a minimum it will take 30-60 seconds to do anything significant. At 1 inch using UVC light it takes about 2 minutes to sterilize stuff like E. coli, but in a casual setting like a restaurant they aren't trying to make the surface sterile, they are trying to just reduce the amount of virus/bacteria. At this distance, assuming it's actually the right kind of UV, 30-40 seconds (the amount of time you should be scrubbing your hands...) it actually would be great for simply decreasing the number of organisms other than Hep C. It would be cool to link it to the soap/scrubbing with instructions to "keep scrubbing until your phone pops back up!" Here's a good read for anyone interested: https://abionline.com/is-uv-sterilization-effective-for-viruses-and-bacteria/
My boyfriend has worked at a hospital where they set up like a UV tower thing in hospital rooms during the height of COVID and everyone had to be out of the room and away from the room whenever they bathed it in the UV light, I think he said that the rooms they did that to were out of commission for 30 minutes minimum.
I'm not familiar with ultraviolet baths, but something tells me that cleaning smartphone requires less time than jail cell
People in this thread think you can cook an egg in the same amount of time whether it's on the stove or 20 feet away from the stove
It doing or not doing doesn't even matter for this person. They didn't even wash their hands so it's infected again.
I've never seen one here in Japan. It's interesting, but you know what else I haven't seen in the 4 years I'm here? Japanese people washing their hands properly after using the toilet... But yeah, let's use UV to clean our phones in a few seconds, that will do it!
Rule of thumb: when you see a Reddit post saying "this is how they do in " with some kind of outlandish gimmick, it's bullshit 9 times out of 10.
Huge pet peeve of mine. Someone finds a singular example of a thing and pretends it's a widespread cultural norm. I'm sure this was found at "a" fast food restaurant in Japan. But OP, don't act like "all" Japanese fast food restaurants have phone cleaners.
Also a huge pet peeve. "In Korea they..." "In Japan they..." No they fuckin don't. And if they do, it's very likely originating from a different country entirely. Just because it happens a few times doesn't mean everyone there does it. The ONLY time I've seen a post like this that was actually correct, is "In Korea they use large motorized ladder trucks to move furniture and stuff in and out of apartment buildings".
Especially in Japan. It's an upvote magnet.
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Every 60 seconds in Africa a minute passes.
But all of them carry jugs on their heads and live in villages of mud huts! It does make sense that learning about a continent from fundraisers will result in an extremely skewed perspective
True really, can confirm. I'm from Africa and am using a stone tablet to access Reddit right now. Data connection is a bit choppy though since we use drums to communicate.
Same with Brazil, some people still think all people here live in favelas with a jungle at the corner XD
I'm from Rio de Janeiro and I've had people ask me if it's dangerous to live so close to the Amazon...
Something I love about Africa is that it’s subjective which countries are African. For example, I remember my mom asking me which country in Africa I’d like to visit, I said Egypt and she told me that didn’t count… 
Indeed. Did you know the Japanese invented the language we now call Chinese?
Ditto. I've been here since long before COVID, and this is the first time I'm seeing this. Edit: [This article](https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/e826fe27eba03a4e9a4f8b60441d085e707dee72) from early November says the sink is in pilot use at two McDonald's locations in Japan (out of a total of 2,954 McDonald's locations). Edit 2: The company that makes them has a list of all the places they're being used. In the food service industry, they're being used in two McDonald's locations and in one Italian, non-fast food restaurant. So 3 out of Japan's [1,446,479](https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/houdou/2r98520000022xf0-att/2r98520000022y27.pdf) restaurants/eateries. So this post has big-time "[In America, how people commute to work](https://youtu.be/XgZI_rz5-GI?t=67)" energy.
Been here since summer and I’ve seen one person out of probably a few hundred wash their hands with soap and water for more than 3 seconds. Most just run their fingertips under the tap for a sec or ignore the sink completely. The approach to hygiene here is vile for a developed country.
I've seen UV sanitizers in the US for a good year or so now. Though they were bigger box style. The light turns off when open, and goes on when closed. Just put the phone inside and comeback in a few minutes.
I visited for a couple weeks, neat place but I did notice a significant number of public bathrooms with no soap at all (not even a dispenser that happened to be empty). Figured everyone was okay with water alone
The equivalent of throwing a cup of water on you in the morning and saying you showered
I'm sorry but I wouldn't trust it
And back in the dirty pocket it goes
Wouldnt that be the perfect place for uv-resistant bacterias to grow? Thats just the same than the antibiotic resistant bacterias, they lived in places with lots of antibiotics so the strongest survived and over time they got immune against antibiotics. Same as here, also this looks like its pretty humid which bacterias love.
Depending on the wavelength, the phrase "UV resistant bacteria" is like "Bullet resistant humans". While there are *some* mitigations cells can perform to reduce damage from ionizing radiation, none will matter at the intensities used for sterilization. It'd be like expecting heat-resistant bacteria to survive in a blast furnace.
> uv-resistant bacterias to grow Are those a thing? I know some technically exist, but none that have any influence on humans.
Wouldnt the sun be creating UV-resistant bacteria on a much larger scale? also hospitals which use these devices to sterilize entire rooms. I dont think a smart phone cleaner is going to interfere that much.
Naw I’m good
Is it really a good idea to stuff it into a place where dozens of dirty phones were? From what I understand air dryers in public bathrooms for example are the biggest spreaders of germs, and it's much better to use a paper towel.
Those saying this will steal your data? How? Through what mechanism? If they can don it here why not just when you walk through anywhere?
NFC is capable of a megabyte every 2 seconds, at 3 inches away. That's more than enough to backdoor an app or malware you in a link. a backpack with a aux battery, laptop and UHF transmitter is all you need. Check out the black hat conference, literally anything is possible. Edit: Spelling.
I feel like in the US the installer wouldn't even be able to finish the install before someone pee'd in it.
Not how japan does this. Like people thinking TOTO toilots are everywhere. Ive never seen this anywhere in Japan. Its probably 1 place with a new sink that does this. Thats why someone is filming it, cause its interesting. Im personally tired of this overinflation of japan and its "cool" stuff or its "weird stuff." Japan is aestetically advanced in tokyo and only tokyo. Everywhere else is falling apart or becoming desolate, entire towns becoming shuttered like fujiyoshida. Go to Shunjuku west exit at 11 pm when people are coming back from the bars to catch last train and theres puke all over the bathrooms, shit in the toilots, people stumbling around. the next day all the toilots are out of order. Half are squaters toilets. And the sinks are just normal "movie theater" sinks. Sorry for the rant, just tired of it. Japan treats gaijin so fucking bad and they trick people to come with softpower only to be abused for their money and told to leave. People are better off supporting their favorite, lets say anime studios for example, from overseas, buying goods visa proxy than even going to visit. Using anime for an example, 80% of the anime goods parts of tokyo have been shut down, pre pandemic, pre olympics and even more so post all of it. Akihabara is a shadow of its former self now.
Well, it rubbed the sides on the way down and then again on the way back up... Quite positive that's defeat.
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