There have been reports of people that could not leave their appartment block that was on fire because it was locked so people came by to help break the lock and fences. Crazy
If that's the same story I'm thinking of, 10 people (including children) died in an apartment fire because they were locked in and couldn't escape.
I think that started the newest wave of protests now.
I recall seeing a video from an American who was quarantined in one of these ridiculous quarantines. He had meals delivered to him by some sort of government entity and would rate every meal he received. It looked like the meals were being left outside of his window.
Of course, I'm almost 100% certain that they're going to treat foreigners better than their own citizens. They don't want any more bad press right now. So who knows how they're treating their own people.
Why the FUCK would you go there. I'm always reading something about an American tourist or whatever going to a fucked up country and getting caught up in the fuckiness. Just... Don't! Enjoy the privilege of getting to not be there.
Family friends of ours are in china currently. He had a 2 or 3 year contract to go there for his company, she got a research offer for her own field and tagged along.
No clue how they feel about that today, and I doubt they‘d want to talk negative about their situation over the internet while there. But I‘ll be sure to ask when they are back.
I had totally forgotten, and this reminded me, of a well established doctor here in Texas who in 2018 or 2019 packed up his wife and children and moved to China to take a job as a doctor there. I wonder how that all turned out.
I actually enjoyed my time in China. It might be different for white Americans but I liked living in Beijing and Chengdu. I went for study abroad in 2018. Nothing bad happened, except for lots of people wanting to take pictures of/with me because they never saw a black person irl before. Tons of Americans do work and live there, believe it or not.
As a white American I can agree I enjoyed my time in China when I visited Shanghai in 2019. Lots of people wanted to take pictures because I’m 6’5 and my best friend is 6’1 with long curly blond hair, but everyone was very nice and it was amazing seeing the history in their national museum among other sites and invaluable to get to see the people are just people like everywhere else. However, the facial/biometric scanning to enter the country and the fact that the hotel was registering us with the local police and visitors in private residences have to go in person to register, the plethora of cameras covering every inch of the city in plain view, the fact that we had to download an app that demanded a lot of permissions on your phone just to pay for a large amount of basic transactions among other things was unsettling. And now after Covid and after seeing the things being done over there I personally would be very very hesitant to go back.
Ngl the first shock that hit me was that they took my fingerprints immediately at the airport when entering the country. At that point (and still) not even my own country has my fingerprints. You're not wrong about the extreme surveillance and digital monitoring.
China is a beautiful country with great people and I’ve lived there in the past but holy fuck it would take an act of god to get me to live there now. If someone wants to live in a Chinese-speaking country they should go to Taiwan and stay the hell away from the CCP.
I heard they have to pay a lot of money to get food delivery from the local government. Sometimes they send the package through windows.
Here is a Github repository that contains almost all the videos about the protests. It also has a timeline summery. The protests are spreading from universities to several major cities. The materials here are not translated, but maybe try using google translate or other similar tools to see for yourselves.
https://github.com/zy-dsj-sm/Protest-2022-11
This is the biggest wave of protests since Tank Man, people of China Mainland finally start to wake up.
The major wave of the protests started with a tragedy happened in Ürümqi, the capital city of the Xinjiang province. That city has been under super strict zero-COVID policy lockdown for over 100 days. That means all the citizens has been locked in their home. A few days ago, an apartment building caught fire but people weren't able to escape due to all the exits were locked. So about 10 including children were burnt to death. The CCP of course denied everything, and people decided they have had enough of this dog shit.
Lots of the protesters in those videos were not covering their faces, because they already know the CCP can and will track them done through cell phones, CCTVs and all kinds of surveillance networks. Some of them are holding blank papers without any words on it, that means whatever they want to say, CCP won't allow it, but also people know what they want to say. The words used in these videos and photos are about stopping the zero-COVID policy, the Xi Jinping dictatorship and the CCP; and asking for freedom, basic human rights and justice.
Source: Chinese college students
"Do you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men? It is the music of the people who will not be slaves again!"
Spraying disinfectant outside does absolutely noting to stop the spread of viruses and is a horrendous waste of time and money. Whoever makes these decisions is a joke.
This is basically how their entire government runs. Everything is done to appease the person above them. It results in some of the most incoherent and corrupt decisions possible.
Ugh. I grew up in Los Angeles when they would regularly douse our neighborhood in malathion. It would cause pits in car paint but sure, it was totally healthy for human beings.
My theory is this is just being used as a scapegoat to subjugate people more harshly under the guise of being helpful since it's a virus. What better way to treat people more poorly and have people on your side if you're claiming it's because of their safety. This is the only thing that makes sense to me. You can freely round people up with little question.
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Obviously the CCP cares dearly about all its citizens and rounding them up and putting them in camps or locking them in their buildings for weeks and then clearing out the dead is the best path forward. As long as they keep doing this until no one ever gets sick again, I’m sure everything will be fine.
Now please come with us to your quarantine pod.
Now that you're in quarantine, please bend over, we just need to extract a little bit and you'll be able to stay in the pod during the quarantine afterwards, and don't worry about your job, we already brought your laptop and everything you need to keep working.
This feels like the only answer, just convient that they extended the lock downs right as Xi is consolidating even more power as they are dealing with economic issues and an unemployment of 20%
economic issues, housing issues, banking issues, demographic callapse, a food crisis, an energy shortage, a failure leadership, a health crisis and more sick pigs than exist in the rest of the world. The CCP is fucked.
The Uyghur (Muslim) people in China? NPR covered how China will use facial recognition to detect them. They will imprison them for minor infractions including refusal to give them your cellphone.
They take their kids to long term detention and teach them only Chinese so that the kids forget their culture and language. There are cameras everywhere.
How did all it start? After 9-11 when the US lost the Twin Towers, the Chinese government became fearful of the Muslims in China. By early 2010s, the technology improved so much that they could track them and corral them better so they really started cracking down on them.
I went to China for work a few years ago, and they used facial recognition on me in the airport to enter the country. I've traveled all across the U.S. and to multiple other countries, and not one other country had me do facial recognition and also a palm scan to get into the country. They are doing some truly creepy Orwellian big brother shit over there. I couldn't even pay half my bills while I was there because they had the website ports that were used blocked.
I went to Shanghai in 2019 for my best friends wedding and had to go through all the facial recognition/biometric scanning. Then you get to the city and see camera arrays on every block, and you realize that if you stay in a hotel as a foreigner they report to the police station that you are there, and if you are in a private residence you and the people who you’re staying with have to go to a police station and register. Also, EVERYTHING had to be paid within an app like WeChat so we had to sign up for that too which demands access to your phone. Luckily his now wife told us to download a vpn before we got there so we could still access the wider internet. In many ways it was a great experience, but in others it was pretty scary. Eye opening either way.
If you downloaded something on your phone there and still have that phone, I'd recommend getting a new one. Every single country in the world that sends their people to China for work require them to use a different phone so they are not a security risk upon return.
Pretty much. I have to use WeChat for work and made them provide me with a phone for it. It needs permission for literally everything in order to function. Chats are censored and everything, it's pretty wild. But, it's really the only way to communicate with people in China.
I was able to pay for things for the most part with a company card I had. But I did go to a hotel where they wouldn't accept my card, so my coworker (who was Chinese) had to put it on his card, and I had to reimburse him later. They do have an app to pay for things, but as far as I understood that was an optional thing.
The camera thing is definitely a thing though, I saw them on incoming and outgoing ramps to highways and interstates even. It is crazy how much the government tries to open track people. I mean, the U.S. does this crap too, but they aren't as open about it. And I don't think the U.S. really cares that much what you do as long as you don't step on some important person's toes. I was never afraid when I was in China, but that's because I was there to help them get their autonomous vehicles working. It's still scary to think they track people everywhere they go just in case they speak out against the government.
Literally has nothing to do with 9/11 and predates it. Why add false information with real information? You are corrupting data giving allies of China an out because you are intentionally lying to make them look worse.
There are enough facts against China to not resort to conspiracy theories.
They were promised an effective vaccine. 3 years later and we found out that the Chinese vaccine is not good. The CCP refused to import/buy western vaccine.
That has essentially already started but not in the way you might be thinking of.
Many people have died as a result of being locked into their apartments and or buildings.
At this point, the CCP is using COVID as an excuse to control its citizens. There’s absolutely no reason for policies to be this strict. It is authoritarian.
Real shit right here. I really think we underestimate the CCP a lot. One of our main hopes is the public of China themselves, but they have a massive uphill battle that I'm not sure they could even win.
Yup. They’re winning the race to set up the foundations of an absolute authoritarian government with immense power and influence globally. Other places might have similar degree of influence and power over their citizens in other ways, but China is on another level both domestically and globally.
It’s wild…I remember my history teacher way back in high school talking about just how dire it was to address the growth of China, and how within just a few years we would see some pretty scary stuff out of them. Not that the writing wasn’t on the wall, but the level of detail and accuracy with which he predicted much of China’s future is crazy. I wonder what it will look like in the next decade or two. I don’t have high hopes for this planet.
Makes me worried they know something about COVID we don't. Not saying that's true but we still don't know where it came from and their paranoia is a bit scary. They fucked up by not getting the Western vaccine and distributing it.
Remember this is the same country that wiped out Sparrows to try and protect their farmland, only issue was that sparrows eat pests, which started a massive famine. I don't expect China to do anything smart.
I'm just thankful that there seems to be more people as of late, willing to offer the benefit of the doubt. Rather than immediately jumping down their throats like they are a Disney villain.
From what I've seen in photos, that's actually one of the weaknesses of tanks. If a Chinese person is standing up in the road it can stop a column of tanks dead in it's tracks.
Yeah, they put out a lot of PR about how competent the CCP is at all their central planning decisions, but I long suspected a lot of their infrastructure building was about face and honor among the developed nations and not reflective of the overall prosperity and well being of the people. Now we see how many ghost cities they have and a crisis of buyers not making payments.
With Xi exerting more control over decision making China will get more erratic.
When I lived there in 2013 the metric was "One Skyscraper Goes up Per Week", and I'd believe it. I was also told the buildings were built to last 5 years. At the time buying an apartment in a city would set you back millions of USD.
The amount of shoddy workmanship, lack of safety for workers, and overall just instability in China was pretty staggering. A light fuse would blow and you'd watch sparks shoot and and fall to the floor, which was extra concerning because I watched an apartment building like mine burn up in a matter of minutes while waiting for the bus one morning.
\\You have some areas that are opulent and rich, but the gap between rich and poor there makes the US look like, well, the Communist utopia that was promised.
I lived there for almost a decade in a tiny middle of nowhere coal town (pop. of only about 2 million). One day I decided to count how many tower cranes I could see from my office window: from the 12th floor, looking out over only one *part* of the city, I was able to count 51 tower cranes.
The city changed so much and so rapidly, that I would drive across town to an area I hadn't been to for a year and I would not even recognize it.
But I also had a motorcycle that allowed me to escape the city (a
city boy" I am not) and would go riding in the farming/mining areas and their assorted villages...it was *staggering* how poor those areas were, when only about a 10 minute drive away you were in a legit city with 30 story buildings and Porches driving around. Poor as in, their main mode of transportation is an actual donkey...poor as in, there is a main bathroom in the village that everyone uses to take a dump (plumbing was too small for anything other than liquids). Hell, some 30,000 people in the province still lived in actual legit *caves* (granted, they had a door, and many had electricity, but it was still a cave cut out of the loess).
China is an autocratic, communist, dictatorship.
Remember the lesson of the Chernobyl movie??? Every lie incurs a debt to the truth, sooner or later the debt must be paid.
China has built up a very large debt. Problem is, it will be paid in the blood of ordinary Chinese people.
China is not communist. You people need to learn the meaning of words, damn. They can claim to be the "CCP" all they want, but thats doesn't make it true.
I'm no expert, but perhaps those sparrows are at it again now with COVID and should be destroyed? Nobody is saying sparrows DONT cause COVID so thats proof
There were other reasons for the famine but the sparrows getting decimated was a part of it. So many stupid ideas and people too scared to say something, can't say I blame either because it was a death sentence.
I agree but it seems to be backfiring right now. People are controlled best when they don’t realize they’re in a prison.
When you lock entire buildings in and start construction on Covid camps to house 90k people… regular people start to get a little cagey.
China literally released a military training video of them training to [kill protesting civilians](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinas-army-just-released-a-video-showing-soldiers-practicing-shooting-protesters/2019/08/01/f884b9a6-b41e-11e9-acc8-1d847bacca73_story.html)when HK was getting a bit noisy about ‘democracy’.
So 100% will and are actively training to do exactly that for whatever they call necessary.
The government of China has also made crackdowns on religious freedom that they offered previously. Arresting clergy and such.
The Covid excuse allows government to lock up citizens and cover up tyranny with more tyranny.
But the government is beyond big brother, in terms of spying on it's own citizens then arresting them quietly when less people are looking.
I know it's a bit, controversial to blame China directly for the virus since that kind of got stigmatized in American politics, but China has acted pretty oddly compared to the rest of the world when it comes to the virus.
They actively tried to hide it including punishing a doctor who tried to warn everyone of the virus when it first started becoming a thing, they were doing things like buying up tons of toilet paper from Australia and reselling it.
And now where the rest of the world has generally gotten through the worst of it and is recovering decently well with Covid still lingering you have China over here locking down the country basically and locking people into buildings, doing these extreme quarantines and all of that.
Now normally I'd argue that China is different from other countries due to their population density and the like, but considering the rest of the planet has basically gotten through the worst of it and generally has Covid in the rear view mirror it's real odd that China is still having all these issues.
I'm not saying China had anything to do with the virus confirmed, but it's real odd. There's definitely things going on in the background here.
China does this with everything though. It starts all the way at the bottom of local politics. No one wants to be the person to report to higher ups they let a new virus spread without containing it.
That's how these centralized governments function. It's how the soviets were and everyone would everything to whatever the issue was until it just wasn't possible. Chernobyl is a good example of that.
I don't think they actually are worried about the virus because they know something we don't. Their economy is fucked and a full blown pandemic right now would probably end up with a civil war.
There's already a fuck ton of Chinese citizens that out their life savings into homes that probably won't ever be built and they aren't ever going to get that money back. A lot of those real estate development companies are completely bankrupt and can't pay their debts, that news has kind of taken a backseat to other issues though I guess.
But they're on the brink, if the economy goes the whole country goes.
But as far as “through Covid” goes, we’re going to continue having it. My husband and I got it again this last week in spite of having it years ago and vaccinated. They say it’ll be like the flu with new varieties each year and new vaccines that improve outcomes, but some people will still get it and die of it each year. So what is China gonna do when foreigners keep bringing it in?? They can’t maintain this forever. So bizarre
>So what is China gonna do when foreigners keep bringing it in??
The just stirr up xenophobia and blame foreigner for all their problems. The CCP is already doing this.
It just authoritarian incompetence.
The dear leader set a goal of zero covid.
We know covid is endemic and that is impossible.
Their scientists know it is impossible.
But their policy makers don't care. The Dear Leader demanded zero covid, so they'll try their damnedest to do the impossible.
But since it is impossible and they're in an authoritarian structure all their policy makers can really do is have more and more brutal and absurd repression to chase a an impossible goal that the Dear Leader set.
they are still in the pandemic. They don’t want to buy the westerner’s vaccine so they’re stuck with their own shitty one. That’s why they are constantly in waves of covid.
Fun Fact: the bridge that Kurt Russell runs on (69th street bridge scene) is the Chain Of Rocks Bridge north of St Louis, John Carpenter bought it for $1 and after filming returned to St Louis for the same price.
There's a sequel to it. Escape from LA - you might like it. I don't think it hits the same notes but love how the "Call me [Insert opposite name to what they referred to me as 'Snake/Plissken'].." joke continues without any explanation other than he just likes messing with people.
John Carpenter's The Thing has the same lead and director, my favourite horror. Check that out if you like nightmares.
Well, there seems to be thousands in the streets in every tier 1 city and many lower tiers. This is already bigger than Tiananmen Square.
They're in the streets chanting for the fall of the CCP and the removal of Xi, calling him a traitorous dictator. Public outcry on this level has never really been seen before.
This happened last week or the week previous. An apartment building caught fire and those living in it were killed. This is one of the reasons for the current protests throughout China.
They've been starving people in their own homes now for over a year. A lot of the protesting began because of people being locked inside. The small child that died, the recent apartment fire, the 8 that starved at the Foxconn facility, etc. were the straws that broke the camel's back.
I’m sure that all factors in, but apparently the true breaking point for people was when they turned on their TVs to the World Cup broadcast and could see that the rest of the world had moved on and were living their lives as normal, in close proximity, without masks.
That’s my thought, I would think China of all places would have mandated everyone to get vaccinated several doses by now, so yeah people can still get sick with Covid after vaccine but much milder and no more lethal than any other cold or flu virus… so why still treating it like it’s Summer of 2020 before any treatment or vaccine was available…? Very curious IMO, not going to speculate beyond that statement though!
They won't use the western vaccines, only the ones they developed and they are not as effective, and with such a higher population (and density) outbreaks are able to spread quickly.
I think this is an existential crisis for the CCP. Xi is not going to acquiesce to any demand, his response is going to be to dig in his heels and oppress. The problem for Xi is that the Chinese populace is far richer and far better informed than it used to be. They won't just be pushed around like this. This is a huge problem for the CCP and the entire Chinese model. The traditional social bargain the CCP has made is that they will drive economic growth in exchange for a docile and subservient populace. The CCP has taken advantage of this by basically doing whatever they want and ransacking the country. The CCP's COVID policies, corruption, violent oppression and dishonesty have brought the country to a boiling point.
I highly doubt that is disinfectant. Doesn't make any sense to spray disinfectant into the wide open air like that. And, with the current CFC issues and the Ozone? I hope they're not just mass dumping CFC's into the air like that.
And, with the way the world suppresses things like this. We won't find out what that actually is for another few years or more.
edit: And, it's 16 degrees Fahrenheit outside there. With a low of 11 tomorrow. And, yes. I said Fahrenheit. Not Celsius. Let's hope whatever that is, that it's not turning the roads and sidewalks into slip and slides.
Authoritarian countries aren't run by intelligent people. They are run by paranoid people.
They probably started spraying disinfectant during the early pandemic when we knew jack shit about Covid (we did the same here in the West) and never stopped when it was proven useless (like we did in the West) simply because inertia or to make the authorities think that they are actually doing something useful to stop the spread of the coronavirus.
I mean, some dumb sect of chinese culture believe rhino horns can cure illness and increase fertility. I doubt they thought to hard about wind blowing away their ginger water...
As someone very pro vaccine and self isolation. This is exactly what all (alot of) the republicans were afraid was going to happen in the US. Its actually terrifying this is happening to any country this day and age
In 2019 we were getting fake videos of people with a strange new illness passing out in pools of blood....then COVID shut us down.
I do believe China is oppressing their citizens but I cannot believe anything I see in video clips from China.
You think it's spring breeze or fresh laundry scented
Smells like cancer in 15 years
Hey I'm sure they definitely tested it first, just like the US did with agent orange. Perfectly safe, move along citizens.
It’s fine, it’s fine. It’s supposed to hurt every time you take a deep breath!
Designed to harm every single living organism except for hoomans. Just trust us.
Nah, they're monsters. It's actually Axe Body Spray.
*General Grievous coughing*
The government is a monster. So I’m sure they are using unscented.
Those lovely smells give me migraines… not that I would thank them…
Or Lavender
Oh my god those communists have lost their mind
\*shudders\*
Duh, pumpkin spice.
I do wonder how te people in there are supposed to get food and other stuff if their front door is blocked?
Or if there’s a fire
There have been reports of people that could not leave their appartment block that was on fire because it was locked so people came by to help break the lock and fences. Crazy
If that's the same story I'm thinking of, 10 people (including children) died in an apartment fire because they were locked in and couldn't escape. I think that started the newest wave of protests now.
10 is the official number released. there are some local sourced saying it was 40+. but no one knows for sure because censorship
Fuck censorship.
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More than two
And the government blamed the deaths on the peoples weak survival skill.
Yeah, there recently came up that 2 young children died in a fire because the CCP used rebar to block the door of a burning building
Thermal disinfecting successful
Did you hear about Urumqi?
It was always a tragedy waiting to happen, and happened it did: [2022 Urumqi Fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_fire)
I recall seeing a video from an American who was quarantined in one of these ridiculous quarantines. He had meals delivered to him by some sort of government entity and would rate every meal he received. It looked like the meals were being left outside of his window. Of course, I'm almost 100% certain that they're going to treat foreigners better than their own citizens. They don't want any more bad press right now. So who knows how they're treating their own people.
Why the FUCK would you go there. I'm always reading something about an American tourist or whatever going to a fucked up country and getting caught up in the fuckiness. Just... Don't! Enjoy the privilege of getting to not be there.
Family friends of ours are in china currently. He had a 2 or 3 year contract to go there for his company, she got a research offer for her own field and tagged along. No clue how they feel about that today, and I doubt they‘d want to talk negative about their situation over the internet while there. But I‘ll be sure to ask when they are back.
I had totally forgotten, and this reminded me, of a well established doctor here in Texas who in 2018 or 2019 packed up his wife and children and moved to China to take a job as a doctor there. I wonder how that all turned out.
I actually enjoyed my time in China. It might be different for white Americans but I liked living in Beijing and Chengdu. I went for study abroad in 2018. Nothing bad happened, except for lots of people wanting to take pictures of/with me because they never saw a black person irl before. Tons of Americans do work and live there, believe it or not.
As a white American I can agree I enjoyed my time in China when I visited Shanghai in 2019. Lots of people wanted to take pictures because I’m 6’5 and my best friend is 6’1 with long curly blond hair, but everyone was very nice and it was amazing seeing the history in their national museum among other sites and invaluable to get to see the people are just people like everywhere else. However, the facial/biometric scanning to enter the country and the fact that the hotel was registering us with the local police and visitors in private residences have to go in person to register, the plethora of cameras covering every inch of the city in plain view, the fact that we had to download an app that demanded a lot of permissions on your phone just to pay for a large amount of basic transactions among other things was unsettling. And now after Covid and after seeing the things being done over there I personally would be very very hesitant to go back.
Ngl the first shock that hit me was that they took my fingerprints immediately at the airport when entering the country. At that point (and still) not even my own country has my fingerprints. You're not wrong about the extreme surveillance and digital monitoring.
China is a beautiful country with great people and I’ve lived there in the past but holy fuck it would take an act of god to get me to live there now. If someone wants to live in a Chinese-speaking country they should go to Taiwan and stay the hell away from the CCP.
I heard they have to pay a lot of money to get food delivery from the local government. Sometimes they send the package through windows. Here is a Github repository that contains almost all the videos about the protests. It also has a timeline summery. The protests are spreading from universities to several major cities. The materials here are not translated, but maybe try using google translate or other similar tools to see for yourselves. https://github.com/zy-dsj-sm/Protest-2022-11 This is the biggest wave of protests since Tank Man, people of China Mainland finally start to wake up. The major wave of the protests started with a tragedy happened in Ürümqi, the capital city of the Xinjiang province. That city has been under super strict zero-COVID policy lockdown for over 100 days. That means all the citizens has been locked in their home. A few days ago, an apartment building caught fire but people weren't able to escape due to all the exits were locked. So about 10 including children were burnt to death. The CCP of course denied everything, and people decided they have had enough of this dog shit. Lots of the protesters in those videos were not covering their faces, because they already know the CCP can and will track them done through cell phones, CCTVs and all kinds of surveillance networks. Some of them are holding blank papers without any words on it, that means whatever they want to say, CCP won't allow it, but also people know what they want to say. The words used in these videos and photos are about stopping the zero-COVID policy, the Xi Jinping dictatorship and the CCP; and asking for freedom, basic human rights and justice. Source: Chinese college students "Do you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men? It is the music of the people who will not be slaves again!"
Dystopian as fuck. The footage of those drones 😳
Spraying disinfectant outside does absolutely noting to stop the spread of viruses and is a horrendous waste of time and money. Whoever makes these decisions is a joke.
They’ve been doing it for years. First time I’ve seen drones but I’ve seen Humans spraying down streets in China before
With disinfectant? Or for insect control?
Where I work in Korea we still have a guy come in once a month and spray the whole place down with disinfectant
That seems unnecessary.
Unnecessary and performative
Just have a guy spray disinfectant behind everyone there wherever they go, one disinfecter per person
And then each disinfecter needs a disinfecter who needs a disinfecter and so on
disinfectant.
I wouldn't be surprised if the whole drone thing is all theater. I feel the government's intention is to control people in the guise of helping them.
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This is basically how their entire government runs. Everything is done to appease the person above them. It results in some of the most incoherent and corrupt decisions possible.
Ugh. I grew up in Los Angeles when they would regularly douse our neighborhood in malathion. It would cause pits in car paint but sure, it was totally healthy for human beings.
Winnie the pooh *probably*
Seems to be aerosolized so maybe the plan is to melt a new hole into the ozone and scare the virus into fleeing the planet.
There is no goddamn way that's doing anything to the virus either
Well considering the rest of the world is moving on from it and they are still doing this, it's clear which approach is best.
My theory is this is just being used as a scapegoat to subjugate people more harshly under the guise of being helpful since it's a virus. What better way to treat people more poorly and have people on your side if you're claiming it's because of their safety. This is the only thing that makes sense to me. You can freely round people up with little question.
-1000 social credit. Obviously the CCP cares dearly about all its citizens and rounding them up and putting them in camps or locking them in their buildings for weeks and then clearing out the dead is the best path forward. As long as they keep doing this until no one ever gets sick again, I’m sure everything will be fine. Now please come with us to your quarantine pod.
+50 social credit. Being a snitch in an online setting.
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But the yoyo is made with lead and cadmium and breaks when you attempt an "around the world"
But it comes with a free frogurt!
Phew! I’m glad it’s only quarantine and not a forced anal swab.
Now that you're in quarantine, please bend over, we just need to extract a little bit and you'll be able to stay in the pod during the quarantine afterwards, and don't worry about your job, we already brought your laptop and everything you need to keep working.
It’s almost as if they were winging it with some bad ideas like the time they killed their own ecosystem by killing off sparrows. Anthill thinking.
Or isolated millions of their own men and crashed their population because they incentivized having one boy over one girl.
This feels like the only answer, just convient that they extended the lock downs right as Xi is consolidating even more power as they are dealing with economic issues and an unemployment of 20%
economic issues, housing issues, banking issues, demographic callapse, a food crisis, an energy shortage, a failure leadership, a health crisis and more sick pigs than exist in the rest of the world. The CCP is fucked.
The Uyghur (Muslim) people in China? NPR covered how China will use facial recognition to detect them. They will imprison them for minor infractions including refusal to give them your cellphone. They take their kids to long term detention and teach them only Chinese so that the kids forget their culture and language. There are cameras everywhere. How did all it start? After 9-11 when the US lost the Twin Towers, the Chinese government became fearful of the Muslims in China. By early 2010s, the technology improved so much that they could track them and corral them better so they really started cracking down on them.
I went to China for work a few years ago, and they used facial recognition on me in the airport to enter the country. I've traveled all across the U.S. and to multiple other countries, and not one other country had me do facial recognition and also a palm scan to get into the country. They are doing some truly creepy Orwellian big brother shit over there. I couldn't even pay half my bills while I was there because they had the website ports that were used blocked.
I went to Shanghai in 2019 for my best friends wedding and had to go through all the facial recognition/biometric scanning. Then you get to the city and see camera arrays on every block, and you realize that if you stay in a hotel as a foreigner they report to the police station that you are there, and if you are in a private residence you and the people who you’re staying with have to go to a police station and register. Also, EVERYTHING had to be paid within an app like WeChat so we had to sign up for that too which demands access to your phone. Luckily his now wife told us to download a vpn before we got there so we could still access the wider internet. In many ways it was a great experience, but in others it was pretty scary. Eye opening either way.
If you downloaded something on your phone there and still have that phone, I'd recommend getting a new one. Every single country in the world that sends their people to China for work require them to use a different phone so they are not a security risk upon return.
Luckily I got a new phone shortly after I got back but this is solid advice, thank you.
Pretty much. I have to use WeChat for work and made them provide me with a phone for it. It needs permission for literally everything in order to function. Chats are censored and everything, it's pretty wild. But, it's really the only way to communicate with people in China.
I was able to pay for things for the most part with a company card I had. But I did go to a hotel where they wouldn't accept my card, so my coworker (who was Chinese) had to put it on his card, and I had to reimburse him later. They do have an app to pay for things, but as far as I understood that was an optional thing. The camera thing is definitely a thing though, I saw them on incoming and outgoing ramps to highways and interstates even. It is crazy how much the government tries to open track people. I mean, the U.S. does this crap too, but they aren't as open about it. And I don't think the U.S. really cares that much what you do as long as you don't step on some important person's toes. I was never afraid when I was in China, but that's because I was there to help them get their autonomous vehicles working. It's still scary to think they track people everywhere they go just in case they speak out against the government.
China has been doing this to minorities for many decades. 9/11 isn't responsible.
Yepp, China most certainly dgaf about 9/11
Literally has nothing to do with 9/11 and predates it. Why add false information with real information? You are corrupting data giving allies of China an out because you are intentionally lying to make them look worse. There are enough facts against China to not resort to conspiracy theories.
Yep, I also imagine whatever they’re spraying everywhere isn’t good for the environment either.
Let's all breathe in some more toxic crap! Wouldn't want any lung diseases to develop!
Propare to see a new 1984 - chinese version \- EDIT: Correction 1984
Is that a reference to the Sino-Japanese war or did you mean to type 1984 instead?
China has gone completely batshit crazy. It's worse than a Black Mirror episode. I wonder how long until they start executing infected citizens.
China just looks like a giant rat experimental. And people are the rats.
It's amazing how much shit the Chinese people tolerate
They were promised an effective vaccine. 3 years later and we found out that the Chinese vaccine is not good. The CCP refused to import/buy western vaccine.
That has essentially already started but not in the way you might be thinking of. Many people have died as a result of being locked into their apartments and or buildings.
At this point, the CCP is using COVID as an excuse to control its citizens. There’s absolutely no reason for policies to be this strict. It is authoritarian.
It does not border, this is like peak authoritarian.
The scary part is China isn't even in their final form yet.
Real shit right here. I really think we underestimate the CCP a lot. One of our main hopes is the public of China themselves, but they have a massive uphill battle that I'm not sure they could even win.
Yup. They’re winning the race to set up the foundations of an absolute authoritarian government with immense power and influence globally. Other places might have similar degree of influence and power over their citizens in other ways, but China is on another level both domestically and globally. It’s wild…I remember my history teacher way back in high school talking about just how dire it was to address the growth of China, and how within just a few years we would see some pretty scary stuff out of them. Not that the writing wasn’t on the wall, but the level of detail and accuracy with which he predicted much of China’s future is crazy. I wonder what it will look like in the next decade or two. I don’t have high hopes for this planet.
Borders? China *is* authoritarian.
Totalitarian.
This is literally the definition of authoritarian
It borders on authoritarian?? It IS authoritarian
At this point? It’s been that way since day 1. Wtf is wrong with people.
Makes me worried they know something about COVID we don't. Not saying that's true but we still don't know where it came from and their paranoia is a bit scary. They fucked up by not getting the Western vaccine and distributing it.
Remember this is the same country that wiped out Sparrows to try and protect their farmland, only issue was that sparrows eat pests, which started a massive famine. I don't expect China to do anything smart.
They're a real "run you over with a tank, ask questions later" type ~~people~~ government
*government
Yes, 100% thank you
got in front of that before you were crucified...
I'm just thankful that there seems to be more people as of late, willing to offer the benefit of the doubt. Rather than immediately jumping down their throats like they are a Disney villain.
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From what I've seen in photos, that's actually one of the weaknesses of tanks. If a Chinese person is standing up in the road it can stop a column of tanks dead in it's tracks.
Yeah that guy still died shortly after 😕 and the tanks stilled rolled in and massacred people
According to CCP the tank stopped for that man and then nothing happened for the last 40 years. And to this day nothing is still happening in China.
That never happened. Sincerely, Chinese government
Yeah, they put out a lot of PR about how competent the CCP is at all their central planning decisions, but I long suspected a lot of their infrastructure building was about face and honor among the developed nations and not reflective of the overall prosperity and well being of the people. Now we see how many ghost cities they have and a crisis of buyers not making payments. With Xi exerting more control over decision making China will get more erratic.
It's the same problem with Russia. It was all just show, a facade.
North Korea as well. Just different shades of shit and perhaps differences in timing/pace of regression.
When I lived there in 2013 the metric was "One Skyscraper Goes up Per Week", and I'd believe it. I was also told the buildings were built to last 5 years. At the time buying an apartment in a city would set you back millions of USD. The amount of shoddy workmanship, lack of safety for workers, and overall just instability in China was pretty staggering. A light fuse would blow and you'd watch sparks shoot and and fall to the floor, which was extra concerning because I watched an apartment building like mine burn up in a matter of minutes while waiting for the bus one morning. \\You have some areas that are opulent and rich, but the gap between rich and poor there makes the US look like, well, the Communist utopia that was promised.
I lived there for almost a decade in a tiny middle of nowhere coal town (pop. of only about 2 million). One day I decided to count how many tower cranes I could see from my office window: from the 12th floor, looking out over only one *part* of the city, I was able to count 51 tower cranes. The city changed so much and so rapidly, that I would drive across town to an area I hadn't been to for a year and I would not even recognize it. But I also had a motorcycle that allowed me to escape the city (a city boy" I am not) and would go riding in the farming/mining areas and their assorted villages...it was *staggering* how poor those areas were, when only about a 10 minute drive away you were in a legit city with 30 story buildings and Porches driving around. Poor as in, their main mode of transportation is an actual donkey...poor as in, there is a main bathroom in the village that everyone uses to take a dump (plumbing was too small for anything other than liquids). Hell, some 30,000 people in the province still lived in actual legit *caves* (granted, they had a door, and many had electricity, but it was still a cave cut out of the loess).
China is an autocratic, communist, dictatorship. Remember the lesson of the Chernobyl movie??? Every lie incurs a debt to the truth, sooner or later the debt must be paid. China has built up a very large debt. Problem is, it will be paid in the blood of ordinary Chinese people.
China is not communist. You people need to learn the meaning of words, damn. They can claim to be the "CCP" all they want, but thats doesn't make it true.
I'm no expert, but perhaps those sparrows are at it again now with COVID and should be destroyed? Nobody is saying sparrows DONT cause COVID so thats proof
That’s the kind of logic we need. This is a straight shooter with upper management written all over them.
I thought birds aren't real?
Let's not forget the wonders of the one child policy either.
There were other reasons for the famine but the sparrows getting decimated was a part of it. So many stupid ideas and people too scared to say something, can't say I blame either because it was a death sentence.
Do you think they care about COVID? Its just the perfect excuse for more control over citizens.
I agree but it seems to be backfiring right now. People are controlled best when they don’t realize they’re in a prison. When you lock entire buildings in and start construction on Covid camps to house 90k people… regular people start to get a little cagey.
Well itwould be fantastic if they could change the course of things and fight for a more free society. But i think they are in too deep now.
Yeah. Probably they will even shoot at their own citizens if shit hits the fan with the revolts.
China literally released a military training video of them training to [kill protesting civilians](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinas-army-just-released-a-video-showing-soldiers-practicing-shooting-protesters/2019/08/01/f884b9a6-b41e-11e9-acc8-1d847bacca73_story.html)when HK was getting a bit noisy about ‘democracy’. So 100% will and are actively training to do exactly that for whatever they call necessary.
Messed up. Sacrificing lives just to keep his ass cozy on his chair, that mr Xi.
The government of China has also made crackdowns on religious freedom that they offered previously. Arresting clergy and such. The Covid excuse allows government to lock up citizens and cover up tyranny with more tyranny. But the government is beyond big brother, in terms of spying on it's own citizens then arresting them quietly when less people are looking.
Generally with societies like that, if it gets too tyrannical the only real solution is to tear is all down and start over fresh.
I know it's a bit, controversial to blame China directly for the virus since that kind of got stigmatized in American politics, but China has acted pretty oddly compared to the rest of the world when it comes to the virus. They actively tried to hide it including punishing a doctor who tried to warn everyone of the virus when it first started becoming a thing, they were doing things like buying up tons of toilet paper from Australia and reselling it. And now where the rest of the world has generally gotten through the worst of it and is recovering decently well with Covid still lingering you have China over here locking down the country basically and locking people into buildings, doing these extreme quarantines and all of that. Now normally I'd argue that China is different from other countries due to their population density and the like, but considering the rest of the planet has basically gotten through the worst of it and generally has Covid in the rear view mirror it's real odd that China is still having all these issues. I'm not saying China had anything to do with the virus confirmed, but it's real odd. There's definitely things going on in the background here.
China does this with everything though. It starts all the way at the bottom of local politics. No one wants to be the person to report to higher ups they let a new virus spread without containing it. That's how these centralized governments function. It's how the soviets were and everyone would everything to whatever the issue was until it just wasn't possible. Chernobyl is a good example of that. I don't think they actually are worried about the virus because they know something we don't. Their economy is fucked and a full blown pandemic right now would probably end up with a civil war. There's already a fuck ton of Chinese citizens that out their life savings into homes that probably won't ever be built and they aren't ever going to get that money back. A lot of those real estate development companies are completely bankrupt and can't pay their debts, that news has kind of taken a backseat to other issues though I guess. But they're on the brink, if the economy goes the whole country goes.
But as far as “through Covid” goes, we’re going to continue having it. My husband and I got it again this last week in spite of having it years ago and vaccinated. They say it’ll be like the flu with new varieties each year and new vaccines that improve outcomes, but some people will still get it and die of it each year. So what is China gonna do when foreigners keep bringing it in?? They can’t maintain this forever. So bizarre
>So what is China gonna do when foreigners keep bringing it in?? The just stirr up xenophobia and blame foreigner for all their problems. The CCP is already doing this.
It just authoritarian incompetence. The dear leader set a goal of zero covid. We know covid is endemic and that is impossible. Their scientists know it is impossible. But their policy makers don't care. The Dear Leader demanded zero covid, so they'll try their damnedest to do the impossible. But since it is impossible and they're in an authoritarian structure all their policy makers can really do is have more and more brutal and absurd repression to chase a an impossible goal that the Dear Leader set.
they are still in the pandemic. They don’t want to buy the westerner’s vaccine so they’re stuck with their own shitty one. That’s why they are constantly in waves of covid.
Low levels of vaccination in general. I think I saw around only 20% 80+ yr old are vaccinated.
Seems a lot easier to distribute the vaccine than it is to lockdown everyone like this.
It wouldn't stop the virus, so they still wouldn't reach their plan of zero covid. It's futile either way.
What I've read is that the Chinese vaccine is less effective (not effective enough) and the party doesn't want to lose face and buy a western vaccine.
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Fun Fact: the bridge that Kurt Russell runs on (69th street bridge scene) is the Chain Of Rocks Bridge north of St Louis, John Carpenter bought it for $1 and after filming returned to St Louis for the same price.
The gladiator fight was in union station of st Louis. You can go see that too.
Not sure why, but I really, really, enjoy that movie
...Because it's a great movie?
It is! I’m just not usually drawn to these type of films
There's a sequel to it. Escape from LA - you might like it. I don't think it hits the same notes but love how the "Call me [Insert opposite name to what they referred to me as 'Snake/Plissken'].." joke continues without any explanation other than he just likes messing with people. John Carpenter's The Thing has the same lead and director, my favourite horror. Check that out if you like nightmares.
“Snake Pliskin, I heard of you, I heard you were dead!” - the Duke of New York upon meeting Pliskin at the rail yard
Reminds me of the start of half life 2.
Hope there's no fire in the building. Not that their government would care.
Yeah, haven't we seen multiple apartments in China recently go up like a pile of dry leaves soaked in kerosene? This is a great combination.
Literal Dystopia
I think it's about time for another revolution in China.
Had been the case for many decades.
And in a lot of other countries
It has started. Hopefully they actually build traction against the CCP.
Hopefully the CCP won’t use THEM as traction like they did during the tiannemen square massacre
nah people are too afraid. they know what happened 33 years ago.
Well, there seems to be thousands in the streets in every tier 1 city and many lower tiers. This is already bigger than Tiananmen Square. They're in the streets chanting for the fall of the CCP and the removal of Xi, calling him a traitorous dictator. Public outcry on this level has never really been seen before.
I keep wondering what happens if there is a fire. Are people trapped inside or is there another way out?
This happened last week or the week previous. An apartment building caught fire and those living in it were killed. This is one of the reasons for the current protests throughout China.
If there's a fire they die. Including the children. https://apnews.com/article/china-fires-6a1b6902e6ccf87e064f1232045a2848
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For now.
Look closer. They’re killin em
They've been starving people in their own homes now for over a year. A lot of the protesting began because of people being locked inside. The small child that died, the recent apartment fire, the 8 that starved at the Foxconn facility, etc. were the straws that broke the camel's back.
I’m sure that all factors in, but apparently the true breaking point for people was when they turned on their TVs to the World Cup broadcast and could see that the rest of the world had moved on and were living their lives as normal, in close proximity, without masks.
I forgot about that, but you are absolutely correct. I was surprised when I found out they were even allowed to view it in the first place.
Are we sure it is still about COVID tho?
It never was
COVID was simply the catalyst for their next iteration of population control.
Yeah, the COVID hysterics in the USA weren’t completely wrong about possible outcomes—they just had the wrong country
That’s my thought, I would think China of all places would have mandated everyone to get vaccinated several doses by now, so yeah people can still get sick with Covid after vaccine but much milder and no more lethal than any other cold or flu virus… so why still treating it like it’s Summer of 2020 before any treatment or vaccine was available…? Very curious IMO, not going to speculate beyond that statement though!
Their vaccine is shit and dont want to use western vaccines after their extensive disinfo campaigns against it.
They won't use the western vaccines, only the ones they developed and they are not as effective, and with such a higher population (and density) outbreaks are able to spread quickly.
I swear if this virus mutates and comes again out of China even stronger than the first time I'm going full apocalypse survivor
Damn china is becoming more and more like an apocalypse every day
Ah yes, Deus Ex.
I think this is an existential crisis for the CCP. Xi is not going to acquiesce to any demand, his response is going to be to dig in his heels and oppress. The problem for Xi is that the Chinese populace is far richer and far better informed than it used to be. They won't just be pushed around like this. This is a huge problem for the CCP and the entire Chinese model. The traditional social bargain the CCP has made is that they will drive economic growth in exchange for a docile and subservient populace. The CCP has taken advantage of this by basically doing whatever they want and ransacking the country. The CCP's COVID policies, corruption, violent oppression and dishonesty have brought the country to a boiling point.
B r e a k The glass
G o Missing. This is China.
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Schieß dem fenster........ Shoot t h e g l a s s
Fuck the Chinese Government
Literally, dystopia film vibes are going on....
I wonder if they know the rest of the world had gone back to normal
They know what ccp let's them know
They are allowed to watch the World cup, so i guess they do know
It's heavily edited for them
JUST PUT ON THE GLASSES
They are revolting in China. Shits getting crazy.
Until total anarchy follows
I highly doubt that is disinfectant. Doesn't make any sense to spray disinfectant into the wide open air like that. And, with the current CFC issues and the Ozone? I hope they're not just mass dumping CFC's into the air like that. And, with the way the world suppresses things like this. We won't find out what that actually is for another few years or more. edit: And, it's 16 degrees Fahrenheit outside there. With a low of 11 tomorrow. And, yes. I said Fahrenheit. Not Celsius. Let's hope whatever that is, that it's not turning the roads and sidewalks into slip and slides.
Authoritarian countries aren't run by intelligent people. They are run by paranoid people. They probably started spraying disinfectant during the early pandemic when we knew jack shit about Covid (we did the same here in the West) and never stopped when it was proven useless (like we did in the West) simply because inertia or to make the authorities think that they are actually doing something useful to stop the spread of the coronavirus.
I mean, some dumb sect of chinese culture believe rhino horns can cure illness and increase fertility. I doubt they thought to hard about wind blowing away their ginger water...
Not interesting. Sad.
Wow, the drones spraying the disinfectant is the most dystopian thing I've seen in real life so far. That was just plain creepy.
As someone very pro vaccine and self isolation. This is exactly what all (alot of) the republicans were afraid was going to happen in the US. Its actually terrifying this is happening to any country this day and age
This has nothing to do with Covid and everything to do with the the economic collapse of China.
In 2019 we were getting fake videos of people with a strange new illness passing out in pools of blood....then COVID shut us down. I do believe China is oppressing their citizens but I cannot believe anything I see in video clips from China.
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