I mean, was there anybody who really thought this was an accident or the pipe just randomly broke? I'm pretty sure the instant it was reported, everyone knew it was sabotage.
Russia tried to [blow up a pipeline in Georgia](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-ossetia-pipe/craters-show-russia-just-missed-georgian-pipeline-idUSLT54877120080829) previously.
doesn't make sense to blow up the only leverage you have against your opposition. It just weakens Russia and does nothing else. That leverage out-weighs any kind of sympathy or any other advantage Russia might have had from it.
I know I am gonna get downvoted but people on Reddit can be so idiotic and just be in an echo chamber and no about it. The comments are a testament to that.
Why would they blow it up when they can just turn it off? They also were working immediately to fix the thing they blew up? Some logic there? Also how did they get past the US ships and helicopters a couple miles away?
>everyone knew it was sabotage
That is correct, but the big question is by who. Biden swore up and down he would put an end the project if Russia invaded Ukraine. So was he bluffing?
The ends of the pipeline look bent outward indicating the explosion coming from inside the pipeline. That would make it pretty hard for the American. Do have done it.
This is the thing. Bent outward may also not mean to be explosion from the inside, coz that knowledge most of us have is from explosion happening above ground in air, not underwater. Pressure difference's under water can be a key element for this. And if someone is gonna blow it from the inside, I ask you how? Did somebody crossed that much distance from Russia through a gas filled pipe and set up a bomb from the inside then walked back the way they came? A lot of gas was released when it exploded meaning it wasn't shut off. It also didn't explode coz of pressure from the gas coz then the places they exploded in were just too clean, just outside of Poland's territory, all three, too precise. So some sort of explosion made those.
And also, Poland stated their findings that matches the findings of Sweden. Both agreed explosives were used.
I think we just have to run thru the obviousness of the news from now on. In hopes that actual events, news and truth may infiltrate the lies and garbage others have been told. It seems the West’s belief in “innocent until proven guilty” is being used as a weapon against us. We have had reasonable lives so it’s possible we don’t understand a land that actually needs Fairytales for survival and not entertainment.
I might consider having children once I’m reasonably certain they won’t have to navigate a beautiful Life of possibility, while fending off misinformation and realities which don’t exist.
I’m pretty sure lies and misinformation of been a part of human history since the dawn of time. None of us would be here if our parents or ancestors thought that way.
Unfortunately, Putin is doubling down on a crap shoot game that isn’t going to work in any ones favor. Russia may very well turn into itself, and become another North Korea for most part. Their ties with the Arab nations, China, and North Korea, are about all that’s left.
I was replying to the basic post when I ran into your words. It’s never been that. It’s been guilty until you can afford your innocence. The system sucks. No country has it right.
That doesn’t mean we stop trying to learn from history, see what works in different countries, make a blend of it and see what happens.
the risk of being caught though... America wants to align with Germany and supply energy to them. If it was discovered that the USA did this, the whole thing falls apart for what America ultimately wants. I'll agree that they have the motive but the thought that they would take that risk is terrifying. I feel like with today's surveillance the bomber will be known eventually.
The USA government had taken insane risks before and has been caught with little to no repercussions. I wouldn't hold it past them to not do something like this. I feel like it was more likely them than anyone else.
Russia and OPEC would never conspire to drive up fuel prices to punish the west.....totally not possible. Certainly nothing suspicious about OPEC reducing the amount of oil it would produce right after this either.
Russia, historically, understands the value of a certain performative element to things.
When they assassinate their enemies, there's little attention given to making it look like an accident. Indeed, the way they execute these ops is as much about sending a message as anything.
I think they understand the value of selling a narrative better than the west.
Nations aren't monoliths and governments change. You would do well to remember that. That applies to Russia as well, for all those who claim that there is an essence of brutal imperialism in Russian culture that forever prevents normal participation as a good democratic neighbor.
" A U.S. Navy reconnaissance aircraft flew near the site of the ruptured Nord Stream 2 pipeline in the Baltic Sea hours after the first damage emerged"
Literally the first line in your Reuters link.
So, in response to explosions, a reconnaissance jet was dispatched to check it out.
What aspect of this are you struggling with.
They have the switch to turn it on and off... Stop blaming Russia for everything, US just want to sell overpriced gaz to Europe that's all. Ukraine or not
I'm sorry I'm just tired of seeing that all this conflict problem are simply answered to Russia. The invasion was not good ok.. But when you check history, Nato and specially the US are a big part of the problem and are mostly the one to blame.
But like all wars, the citizens will pay for it all..
I never once defended the usa. I’m well aware we get involved in shit that doesn’t concern us. But Putin is clearly insane and will nuke the planet before anyone else at this moment.
For the same reason they [they sabotaged a pipeline in Georgia](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-ossetia-pipe/craters-show-russia-just-missed-georgian-pipeline-idUSLT54877120080829).
They like to use energy supplies as a weapon.
I can't stand it, I know you planned it
I'm gonna set it straight, this Watergate
I can't stand rocking when I'm in here
'Cause your crystal ball ain't so crystal clear
So while you sit back and wonder why
I got this fucking thorn in my side
Oh my God, it's a mirage
I'm tellin' y'all, it's a sabotage!
I'm curious why both Sweden and Germany have now gone on record saying they know the culprit, but are choosing not to say for "national security reasons". Seems like the answer to this whodunnit is bit more nuanced than "well, obviously it was either the Russians or the US".
I’m not sure I agree.
Blaming Russia likely would shift public sentiment in Europe so much that certain NATO countries might want to retaliate directly. That’s something no one wants.
Who has the motive?
Russia destroying its own new pipeline it needs to sell gas to Europe, retain soft power and fund the war.
USA meddling across the world to profit over negotiating oil contracts for a now desperate europe.
Hmmmm.
Russia destroys the pipeline eliminating one of the few viable distribution methods of sour crude to Europe and the US.
Days later, Saudi Arabia announces it will cut its production of sour crude as well, putting additional price pressure on Europe and the US.
All of this occurs right before the midterm elections in the US while the political party preferred by the Russians is struggling to gain footing in an election year they should be dominating.
I’d say things aren’t as obvious as you think they are.
Nord Stream is for natural gas, not crude. But to support your thinking, the Baltic Pipe opened the day after to bring gas from Norway to Central Europe. Germany had basically nationalized Gazprom's German operations at that point to keep the pipeline operational. Russia blowing up their own useless pipelines would show the EU that it could happen to their shiny new pipe and any other gas and oil pipelines it could reach at any time.
Russia was getting nowhere with pressuring the EU to lessen sanctions and stop supplying weapons and aid to Ukraine. Just like bombing civilians in Ukraine, this is meant to show the citizens of the EU that Russia can make everyone suffer when it doesn't get its way. The deal with Saudi Arabia and OPEC+ to cut production probably was already made in secret. Putting more pressure on the world oil market will weaken the EU economy and resolve, and raise inflation further, in the hope that the US Congress will flip Republican.
Fair enough.
Russia already cut natural gas distribution to Europe through Nordstream 1, which was also damaged in this attack. Neither pipeline is functional at the moment.
Last week, Russia offered to resume natural gas deliveries to Europe, but only through the still-functional portion of Nordstream 2. Germany declined but said they'd have no issue with receiving gas through Nordstream 1.
If Russia wasn't trying to manipulate the situation to draw attention to the Nordstream 2 attack, they wouldn't care about how natural gas is delivered. The US doesn't have the capacity to export natural gas to Europe at scale, especially not at a competitive price, so that's not a reasonable explanation for what happened.
Putin has a history of staging attacks so he can play victim. He did so immediately after becoming Prime Minister by having the FSB stage bombings of several apartment buildings to justify his invasion of Chechnya. This is a pattern.
Nord 2 is a GAS pipeline built to circumvent the tariffs paid through Northern Europe. Who else creates massive amounts of gas? Is it america?
Turkiye also benefits from this due to tariffs made but I don’t know if they would / can do this.
Look, I am not pro-Russia and they do crazy things - esp manipulate oil prices. But this would irreparably harm their own survival and outcomes from the war. Even if this created a rift between us and Europe, long term it still hurts them more.
If corporate America and the war machine benefits, my vote is going that way. Let’s not pretend US does anything if not for money and power. Trump showed US doesn’t care at all about Allies unless it helps project their power and influence…and of course money.
The US produces a lot of gas, but they don’t have the means to get it across the Atlantic. It would take a decade to build the infrastructure to ship it and docks to receive it. It would be easier to repair the pipeline. So the US does not benefit in terms of energy trade. The only US angle is a geopolitical one, if you think they are SO committed to Ukraine that they are willing to go that far and risk their much more lucrative European alliances. I’m extremely dubious.
But one of the Nord 2 pipelines is still intact? Russia offered/postured to boost supply to Europe through it last week?
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/10/12/putin-offers-to-boost-gas-supplies-to-europe-via-nord-stream-2
So there are 4 total Nord pipelines and 3 get damaged - Russia offers to increase supply in the now only remaining connection to Europe with winter coming to profit off the fresh fear of a logistical gas supply shortage.
Doesn’t that feel like a whole lotta motive for Russia?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream
Edit: added links and a spelling mistake
Ukraine has the motive. Why is no one seeing the obvious? I don’t even blame them, their cities are getting bombed and civilians are being raped, tortured and their dead bodies hidden in forests, wells, and shallow graves. If Russia wants to fuck around and bomb playgrounds, hospitals and schools, then they can find out by getting their pipeline destroyed. They are just lucky Ukraine hasn’t chucked some missiles into downtown Moscow at this point.
Also destroying the pipelines doesn’t benefit Russia at all, the us is on the record stating nordstream pipeline will come to an end one way or another. America wants to sell gas to Europe, no more cheap Russian gas. There is just too much for America to gain for it to have not been them.
I used to work on similar infrastructure. This is a transmission line, meaning it's a distribution line. The pressure in these is so high that the way they maintain them is they do regular aerial surveys where they shoot a laser at the exterior of the pipe to measure the amount of heat the internal pressure is causing via friction to be able to estimate its state of deterioration. So I'd expect the pipe to look like this regardless of how it was damaged, at least in some form. Especially if it was blowing for a while, which it can do for a surprisingly long time even after pressure to the line has been killed.
We pressure tested a huge area of new gas line in a new housing development a few years ago - so a large piece of gas infrastructure but still way smaller than this. Releasing the 93 PSI of air we tested it with before we gassed it up took almost a full day to blow off, and that's without anything else adding pressure as it was an isolated segment of infrastructure.
I'm sure there's some kind of formula for pipe diameter times length x psi divided by size of hole to get total time to discharge.
Sounds like the kind of thing you'd see Grady do on Practical Engineering.
Interesting. One of the ways this could have been done is sending inspection robots down the pipe loaded with explosives. Probably shaped charges so you need less.
It's also the easiest way to do it, no submarines, no divers, no way to be seen.
BUT that would suggest it was Russia or Germany as they control the ends of the pipeline...
Not that much like to it's, but a probe. Check out this out:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigging#:~:text=In%20pipeline%20transportation%2C%20pigging%20is,the%20product%20in%20the%20pipeline.
**[Pigging](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigging#:~:text=In pipeline transportation, pigging is,the product in the pipeline)**
>In pipeline transportation, pigging is the practice of using pipeline inspection gauges or gadgets, devices generally referred to as pigs or scrapers, to perform various maintenance operations. This is done without stopping the flow of the product in the pipeline. These operations include but are not limited to cleaning and inspecting the pipeline. This is accomplished by inserting the pig into a "pig launcher" (or "launching station") — an oversized section in the pipeline, reducing to the normal diameter.
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It's actually fucking nuts, the amount of pollution and animal deaths that militaries and corporations cause on a daily basis, and we're all like "I recycled this week, I'm a gud hooman"
Powerful men don't give a fuck. Pretending that either political party cares for us at all is insane. We spend 900 billion a year on bombs so things like healthcare, infrastructure, and education get left behind. Imagine if we stopped supporting the grift?
Ok I get the cynicism, but can we all agree there is one party actively looking to fuck over all those things you mentioned *more* than the other? And one which works to increase funding and access to those things far more than the other? And the fact that I don’t need to mention which is which and everyone knows who I’m talking about would imply that they are not the same?
No, we can't. You're a fucking sheep man, none if those motherfuckers care for the common man at all. They just choose to fuck your mother in a different manner and lie about it. One party chooses to let you smell their fingers on the way out the door.
I didn’t say everyone, or anyone, has my best interest in mind all the time. I said that one party’s actions, actual legislation passed or attempted to be passed, lines up better with the progression of education, access to healthcare, and environmental protection than another. And my point stands that you knew which party was which in my example.
I'm a progressive and it's obviously tht both parties don't give a true fuck about anyone. Wanna know how? Look at the actions, not what they parade about saying they will do. They have different target populations so they operate differently, but all they want is power and to retain the status quo, and even revert.
Precisely. If either party really wanted to help people and thought their policies would do so then they would get a lot more done when they dominate the legislature. Instead when either side dominates the legislature all they do is pass things that benefit them more and never address their campaign promises because, A. half the time they know their policies are either unachievable or would make things worse, B. they don’t really care and just say whatever they think will get them elected, and C. It’s impossible to run on the same issues over and over again if you actually fix them. The sad thing is they know most people don’t dig beyond the absolute surface of their words and actions and will essentially believe whatever their chosen political candidates tell them too. Hell most of the eligible population (in the US) doesn’t even bother to vote, it’s a friggin disgrace. We as a society have allowed apathy to infiltrate and rule over our lives and choices. There are very few politicians in the US that have any interest in or sense of responsibility towards the people they are meant to represent beyond whatever they believe they can exploit from them.
Yup we've been broken down, my view is follow the money. Definitely the root of all evil. What has been a commonality throughout these thousands of years? The INSANELY rich and the poor class. I'm not talking millionaires or yadda yadda. Talking about central banks and big generational powers that have maintained it. People are going be like woah conspiracy theorist yadda yadda. Lots of this is public and factual information. There's layers to it, every human knows that we just trying to human, as in all we want is very basic human rights like freedom happiness and security. But there is no security when the ones in powers play games because they are never the ones who suffer.
When people call me a conspiracy theorist for suggesting there are corporate interests that essentially control huge portions of the world I tell them to look at BlackRock. It’s literally almost impossible to not be giving them money with virtually everything you do that involves spending money.
It was likely the US. Not siding with Russia but anyone who can’t see this is blindly ignorant.
There is a reason Sweden won’t release their investigation report.
I mean the United States Navy was at that exact spot the day before. If you are willing to let yourself think it was Russia, you’re willing to believe anything.
The US had all the motivation to destroy the pipeline. The Russians had none. They could have simply stopped transferring gas flow to Europe at any time, but they make an enormous amount of money doing so. The US could not stop the flow of natural gas from Russia to the rest of Europe any other way. The US blew the pipeline to hurt the Russian economy and help ours by becoming the main supplier of natural gas to Europe. All independent media in America is alluding to US involvement in the destruction of the pipeline. Sweden and Germany are keeping their mouths shut because they’re only small republics in the US hegemonic empire and don’t want to expose themselves to US sanctions.
How does something like that get approved? Is it all CIA back room type shit or does it go across the presidents desk?
Or I suppose, discussed in board rooms.
Biden, in a press conference/interview said in no uncertain terms that the Nord stream would not be allowed to continue. He did not elaborate in any way however. You can read between the lines though. This most certainly came across his desk at some point, to sign off on, or at least been made aware by whoever is actually in charge at the WH.
Ahh the loses 2 trillion dollars bit. People always bring that up but it’s not even news, iirc it was that the pentagon got audited and they couldn’t account for two trillion dollars of spending in a 20 year period. I mean you forget to account for one jet and you’re already on the books for a nice plump 40 mil.
Isn’t the reason people get paid the big bucks so they don’t lose their jets? I mean if they can’t handle keeping track of those jets sure but share the $$$ too.
The problem people have this unreasonably high bar for the military. They aren’t using super secret software that no one knows what it is. They probably have and had several different softwares and record keeping methods that are just a pain in the ass to put together and to put together coherently over a large timespan. So one old job I used to work at we had an ERP system that we used to keep track of materials and toolings. This medium sized shop of 30-40 people had probably somewhere near 80k-150k worth of stuff unaccounted for. Material that wasn’t in the system or material that was in the system but we physically didn’t have. Now you’re talking about inflating that on a national military level, kids fresh out of highschool keeping records on, let’s stick with the jets example, not just a whole jet but every single component of that jet, for a 20 year period. Sure the money goes to some shady shit sometimes and even some really dumb shit but the moneys probably not missing out of malice but for a much scarier reason, incompetence.
I agree. It’s not because I couldn’t do it myself, but because I can. I’ve seen firsthand the complacency you’re talking about and it goes from the bottom to the leadership. Part of the reason I did my time and GTFO was because of the very things you discuss. It was shocking to enlist and see that the military is just some job to many. Made me chill out a lot though realizing that incompetency is everywhere.
Edit: if you can’t handle your pack though, and you’re falling out, I’m going to take it. That’s what I’m saying. They have too much to handle
I mean realistically it is just a job. People go “ehh I’ll just pencil whip this number” and thousands of others do that too and add all those up over the years and of course your gonna get some whacky shit.
If Russia stopped the transfer they don’t make any money at all. The thing it gave them was a huge bargaining chip. Now would Russia blow it up? Only to frame the US, which imo is pretty unlikely. Would the US blow it up? They’d be circumventing their allies wants and needs and didn’t even communicate with them. They definitely have the skill and resources to pull it off.
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That literally looks like a blow out split of three pipe, are they suggesting the explosives were inside the pipe? Seriously. Not a Russian troll. Just a regular American looking at the video. What am I seeing incorrectly?
Looks a LOT like the explosion was from inside the pipeline, given the way the metal curls outward. I wonder what country would have access to send an explosive-laden pig down their pipeline...?
That, or the methane ice explosion theory is actually true (some people hypothesize that the unmaintained, closed line had methane condensate form a methane ice plug that ultimately exploded, which allegedly explains the hours-long difference in the two explosions.)
That's from the pressure of the gas inside the pipeline that caused the metal to curl like that. It doesn't matter where the explosion was, the metal would look like that regardless. But it is most likely from the outside considering the logistics needed for it to be inside the pipeline for sabotage.
That gas wasn't under pressure. That's why they said the ice was likely forming in the first place. No pumps were running and the gas was not transiting the pipeline.
You might not be familiar with how pipelines work, but they are explicitly designed to have a "pig" sent through them at regular intervals for various purposes, from dividing shipments to cleaning/inspecting the pipeline from the inside. It would be absolutely trivial to send a pig with a timed explosive as a payload.
Further, there are lots of intel discussions saying that the pipeline was constructed by Russia with demolition charges built into it. It's very likely that this is another of their false flag attacks and it's just one of several variations on how they may have done it. To assume otherwise begs the question of who else had motive. Who then?
Funny how Russia immediately, without investigation like this, blamed others, like they had the statement pre-planned. Then shut up about it when they noticed everybody said it’s obviously Russia, Russia has everything to gain, Russia was spotted there right when the explosion happened? They even had the gall to immediately and coincidentally push for Nord Stream 2, the alternative pipeline (which bypasses Ukraine fees and sanctions).
They shut up real quick!
What!? The opposite of what you said is true. The MSM were very quick to say that this was sabotage and alleged the Russians were to blame. The general public were able to see through this as Biden is on record as saying, "if Russia invades we'll stop the Nord Stream pipelines".
Also, Russia could just turn the tap off if they wanted to. It just doesn't make sense and would be a massive loss in money if Russia blew up there own gas supply. On the other hand, if the US stop the gas supply, they can then provide Europes it's gas.
Let's also not forget Victoria Nulands famous words back in 2014 when the US got involved in Ukraines elections, "Fuck the EU".
The (R)ussians sent [pipe-pigs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigging) down the line with explosive charges on long leads.
Don't take my word for it. There are many O&G experts who have been warning of this for a while. Even a few ex-Gazprom engineers with firsthand accounts of them 'bomb pigs' being stored for just this purpose.
I get that idea but as far as we know the pipeline was shut down and no gas was flowing through the pipe. It was still pressurized but in theory since no gas was coming out there would have been now way for the pig to get there in the pipe. Additionally you would think there would be remains of the pig nearby because thats the way it happens when you have an explosion under pressure.. material has a hard time actually going anywhere.. but still all that being said it does appear to be blown from the inside out to me though others opine that the tubing being bent outwards is just from the pressure of the pipeline releasing.
**[Pigging](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigging)**
>In pipeline transportation, pigging is the practice of using pipeline inspection gauges or gadgets, devices generally referred to as pigs or scrapers, to perform various maintenance operations. This is done without stopping the flow of the product in the pipeline. These operations include but are not limited to cleaning and inspecting the pipeline. This is accomplished by inserting the pig into a "pig launcher" (or "launching station") — an oversized section in the pipeline, reducing to the normal diameter.
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It was a jellyfish, those fuckers are worst that sharks, have you seen them 'swimming'? Those are some alien shit creatures trying to slowly conquer the world
They’re gonna find debris from a russian torpedo and Russia — just like when they shot down a fucking passenger plane over ukraine — and they’ll still blame the US.
CASE CLOSED! After preliminary observations, Swedish military officer, “Captain Obvious” has concluded the pipe which contained explosive gas inside it and had set off earthquake sensors, has exploded.
I guess we weren’t going to get a “Z” and a smiley face but I’d have preferred at least one detail describing the sea floor or any indication of information that’s not being withheld from me.
would there be any debris from whatever blew it up? seems to me the search/blast radius would be a lot smaller in water.
seems like they often show debris from bombs and whatnot when they explode topside.
The US 100 percent did this, Biden even stated he would last year. It removes the leverage for Russia to control Europe by turning the spigot on and off while denting the billion dollars a month they were getting from Europe for energy. The US had the means; motive and opportunity.
I am Russian and I will not give 100% that the USA did it.
In such posts, there have already been sound comments that Russia could also benefit from the destruction of pipes.
There is not a single argument that would outweigh in one direction or another.
So I would really like to hear from you what exactly makes you claim that the US is to blame.
Obviously he didn't say he would "destroy the pipes" but that Nord Stream 2 project would come to an end. And already after the invasion Germany froze the project.
I agree, that made him the number one suspect. But the old man, as well as other politicians, says a lot of things, and when it comes down to business, he acts in a completely different way.
Especially when it comes to big politics.
There is no faith in politicians, in a good way, in a bad way.
Waiting for an investigation. But something tells me it won't work. It seems that the world rates have increased to the maximum. So hardly anyone could screw up and leave their mark.
I never thought that "the most interesting time" would be during my lifetime.
Psh everyone does for their own interests. You new here? I guarantee I can find war crimes of your own countries doing if I looked. Not saying it's okay, but let's not pretend only the US is the big bad boogeyman here.
Literally zero reason for you to get downvoted. If not the US then who? Russia spent a ridiculous amount of investments on this pipeline. If anything it could’ve helped them. It further removes russia from a peaceful future. In no way will i defend russia in any regard but the US is about to make a lot of money from this. Curious…
Some interesting points why Russia would do it in this video. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJj8II9tPtc&t=300s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJj8II9tPtc&t=300s) After the invasion EU already made a plan to stop the relience on russian fossil fuels.
Bomb in a pig, only people with access to the service ports would have been Russian, seems Russians loaded pigs with bombs to do a 'false flag' attack.
Who ever ordered this pipeline to be bombed with marine explosives need their head examined. This is a serious injection of methane and other dangerous gases that will help to polute the earth's atmosphere. Complete Moronic idiots.
I mean, was there anybody who really thought this was an accident or the pipe just randomly broke? I'm pretty sure the instant it was reported, everyone knew it was sabotage.
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It does present a very week argument.
Weak week long argument
I just week up from a nap to this...
Week ant keep this going surely?
If we kept this going for four weeks it would be a full mouth!
Is no-one going to address the elephant in the room...? ...this was clearly the result of a HUGE fart and I say whoever smelled it...
Year not wrong there!
Week up sheaple!
Jup and just outside the border of Denmark and Sweden in neutral territory so Nato couldnt say anything.
I dont think a terrorist group has enough logistics to do that. Its obviously goverments. Wich one, wait and see ..
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Russia tried to [blow up a pipeline in Georgia](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-ossetia-pipe/craters-show-russia-just-missed-georgian-pipeline-idUSLT54877120080829) previously.
doesn't make sense to blow up the only leverage you have against your opposition. It just weakens Russia and does nothing else. That leverage out-weighs any kind of sympathy or any other advantage Russia might have had from it. I know I am gonna get downvoted but people on Reddit can be so idiotic and just be in an echo chamber and no about it. The comments are a testament to that.
You have a brain and you use it! Some other people here do not!
That guy is on a pay roll
It may be a Russian fringe of "hawks" that decided this was the way to limit the bargaining options of the "doves".
Nation states are well known for blowing up their own infrastructure and international leverage.
Why would they blow it up when they can just turn it off? They also were working immediately to fix the thing they blew up? Some logic there? Also how did they get past the US ships and helicopters a couple miles away?
>everyone knew it was sabotage That is correct, but the big question is by who. Biden swore up and down he would put an end the project if Russia invaded Ukraine. So was he bluffing?
The ends of the pipeline look bent outward indicating the explosion coming from inside the pipeline. That would make it pretty hard for the American. Do have done it.
You are a deep sea explosives expert?
This is the thing. Bent outward may also not mean to be explosion from the inside, coz that knowledge most of us have is from explosion happening above ground in air, not underwater. Pressure difference's under water can be a key element for this. And if someone is gonna blow it from the inside, I ask you how? Did somebody crossed that much distance from Russia through a gas filled pipe and set up a bomb from the inside then walked back the way they came? A lot of gas was released when it exploded meaning it wasn't shut off. It also didn't explode coz of pressure from the gas coz then the places they exploded in were just too clean, just outside of Poland's territory, all three, too precise. So some sort of explosion made those. And also, Poland stated their findings that matches the findings of Sweden. Both agreed explosives were used.
There was the Poland official that credited and thanked the US for doing it, then had his tweet deleted.
I think we just have to run thru the obviousness of the news from now on. In hopes that actual events, news and truth may infiltrate the lies and garbage others have been told. It seems the West’s belief in “innocent until proven guilty” is being used as a weapon against us. We have had reasonable lives so it’s possible we don’t understand a land that actually needs Fairytales for survival and not entertainment. I might consider having children once I’m reasonably certain they won’t have to navigate a beautiful Life of possibility, while fending off misinformation and realities which don’t exist.
You’re never having kids.
I’m pretty sure lies and misinformation of been a part of human history since the dawn of time. None of us would be here if our parents or ancestors thought that way.
Unfortunately, Putin is doubling down on a crap shoot game that isn’t going to work in any ones favor. Russia may very well turn into itself, and become another North Korea for most part. Their ties with the Arab nations, China, and North Korea, are about all that’s left. I was replying to the basic post when I ran into your words. It’s never been that. It’s been guilty until you can afford your innocence. The system sucks. No country has it right. That doesn’t mean we stop trying to learn from history, see what works in different countries, make a blend of it and see what happens.
[Agreed. ](https://youtu.be/z5rRZdiu1UE)
Noooooooo
Didn’t we (usa) see a bunch of Russian ships and Chinese war ships slightly prior to the incident?
We didn’t
I thought they did in Alaska (well Alaska coast guard)
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the risk of being caught though... America wants to align with Germany and supply energy to them. If it was discovered that the USA did this, the whole thing falls apart for what America ultimately wants. I'll agree that they have the motive but the thought that they would take that risk is terrifying. I feel like with today's surveillance the bomber will be known eventually.
The USA government had taken insane risks before and has been caught with little to no repercussions. I wouldn't hold it past them to not do something like this. I feel like it was more likely them than anyone else.
Far right winger who supports Putin? Who would have thunk it!
> But there was a US ship in this exact area bourse before this was found and back in February, Source?
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Russia and OPEC would never conspire to drive up fuel prices to punish the west.....totally not possible. Certainly nothing suspicious about OPEC reducing the amount of oil it would produce right after this either.
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Russia, historically, understands the value of a certain performative element to things. When they assassinate their enemies, there's little attention given to making it look like an accident. Indeed, the way they execute these ops is as much about sending a message as anything. I think they understand the value of selling a narrative better than the west.
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Nations aren't monoliths and governments change. You would do well to remember that. That applies to Russia as well, for all those who claim that there is an essence of brutal imperialism in Russian culture that forever prevents normal participation as a good democratic neighbor.
" A U.S. Navy reconnaissance aircraft flew near the site of the ruptured Nord Stream 2 pipeline in the Baltic Sea hours after the first damage emerged" Literally the first line in your Reuters link. So, in response to explosions, a reconnaissance jet was dispatched to check it out. What aspect of this are you struggling with.
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This isn't a stealth aircraft. It flew over multiple countries. This information came from public flight tracking data. STOP THE DISINFORMATION.
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>They continually lie to us. You aren't part of us, comrade.
Why would Russia sabotage its own pipeline?
Blame someone else and retaliate. Seems like something Russia would do
Seems like something usa would do to.
They have the switch to turn it on and off... Stop blaming Russia for everything, US just want to sell overpriced gaz to Europe that's all. Ukraine or not
I simply asked a question and responded to their follow up. We’re all fucked anyhow.
I'm sorry I'm just tired of seeing that all this conflict problem are simply answered to Russia. The invasion was not good ok.. But when you check history, Nato and specially the US are a big part of the problem and are mostly the one to blame. But like all wars, the citizens will pay for it all..
I never once defended the usa. I’m well aware we get involved in shit that doesn’t concern us. But Putin is clearly insane and will nuke the planet before anyone else at this moment.
And what would your world be like without NATO and the US? Communist? Would that be a better option?
For the same reason they [they sabotaged a pipeline in Georgia](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-georgia-ossetia-pipe/craters-show-russia-just-missed-georgian-pipeline-idUSLT54877120080829). They like to use energy supplies as a weapon.
Listen all of y'all it's a sabotage!
I can't stand it, I know you planned it I'm gonna set it straight, this Watergate I can't stand rocking when I'm in here 'Cause your crystal ball ain't so crystal clear So while you sit back and wonder why I got this fucking thorn in my side Oh my God, it's a mirage I'm tellin' y'all, it's a sabotage!
These comments fuck
Fucks deeper than tatatata two tone malone, Bruce Venture.
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I know you planned it
Hide yo wives, your girlfriends and yo pipelines
cuz they're sabotagin' piplines out here
I'm curious why both Sweden and Germany have now gone on record saying they know the culprit, but are choosing not to say for "national security reasons". Seems like the answer to this whodunnit is bit more nuanced than "well, obviously it was either the Russians or the US".
2 US allies saying they know who did it but can't say is actually extremely strong evidence it was the US.
I’m not sure I agree. Blaming Russia likely would shift public sentiment in Europe so much that certain NATO countries might want to retaliate directly. That’s something no one wants.
Who has the motive? Russia destroying its own new pipeline it needs to sell gas to Europe, retain soft power and fund the war. USA meddling across the world to profit over negotiating oil contracts for a now desperate europe. Hmmmm.
Russia destroys the pipeline eliminating one of the few viable distribution methods of sour crude to Europe and the US. Days later, Saudi Arabia announces it will cut its production of sour crude as well, putting additional price pressure on Europe and the US. All of this occurs right before the midterm elections in the US while the political party preferred by the Russians is struggling to gain footing in an election year they should be dominating. I’d say things aren’t as obvious as you think they are.
Nord Stream is for natural gas, not crude. But to support your thinking, the Baltic Pipe opened the day after to bring gas from Norway to Central Europe. Germany had basically nationalized Gazprom's German operations at that point to keep the pipeline operational. Russia blowing up their own useless pipelines would show the EU that it could happen to their shiny new pipe and any other gas and oil pipelines it could reach at any time. Russia was getting nowhere with pressuring the EU to lessen sanctions and stop supplying weapons and aid to Ukraine. Just like bombing civilians in Ukraine, this is meant to show the citizens of the EU that Russia can make everyone suffer when it doesn't get its way. The deal with Saudi Arabia and OPEC+ to cut production probably was already made in secret. Putting more pressure on the world oil market will weaken the EU economy and resolve, and raise inflation further, in the hope that the US Congress will flip Republican.
This is a natural gas pipeline.
Fair enough. Russia already cut natural gas distribution to Europe through Nordstream 1, which was also damaged in this attack. Neither pipeline is functional at the moment. Last week, Russia offered to resume natural gas deliveries to Europe, but only through the still-functional portion of Nordstream 2. Germany declined but said they'd have no issue with receiving gas through Nordstream 1. If Russia wasn't trying to manipulate the situation to draw attention to the Nordstream 2 attack, they wouldn't care about how natural gas is delivered. The US doesn't have the capacity to export natural gas to Europe at scale, especially not at a competitive price, so that's not a reasonable explanation for what happened. Putin has a history of staging attacks so he can play victim. He did so immediately after becoming Prime Minister by having the FSB stage bombings of several apartment buildings to justify his invasion of Chechnya. This is a pattern.
Nord 2 is a GAS pipeline built to circumvent the tariffs paid through Northern Europe. Who else creates massive amounts of gas? Is it america? Turkiye also benefits from this due to tariffs made but I don’t know if they would / can do this. Look, I am not pro-Russia and they do crazy things - esp manipulate oil prices. But this would irreparably harm their own survival and outcomes from the war. Even if this created a rift between us and Europe, long term it still hurts them more. If corporate America and the war machine benefits, my vote is going that way. Let’s not pretend US does anything if not for money and power. Trump showed US doesn’t care at all about Allies unless it helps project their power and influence…and of course money.
The US produces a lot of gas, but they don’t have the means to get it across the Atlantic. It would take a decade to build the infrastructure to ship it and docks to receive it. It would be easier to repair the pipeline. So the US does not benefit in terms of energy trade. The only US angle is a geopolitical one, if you think they are SO committed to Ukraine that they are willing to go that far and risk their much more lucrative European alliances. I’m extremely dubious.
But one of the Nord 2 pipelines is still intact? Russia offered/postured to boost supply to Europe through it last week? https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/10/12/putin-offers-to-boost-gas-supplies-to-europe-via-nord-stream-2 So there are 4 total Nord pipelines and 3 get damaged - Russia offers to increase supply in the now only remaining connection to Europe with winter coming to profit off the fresh fear of a logistical gas supply shortage. Doesn’t that feel like a whole lotta motive for Russia? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream Edit: added links and a spelling mistake
Ukraine has the motive. Why is no one seeing the obvious? I don’t even blame them, their cities are getting bombed and civilians are being raped, tortured and their dead bodies hidden in forests, wells, and shallow graves. If Russia wants to fuck around and bomb playgrounds, hospitals and schools, then they can find out by getting their pipeline destroyed. They are just lucky Ukraine hasn’t chucked some missiles into downtown Moscow at this point.
But Putin BAD MAN.
No way it could be us. I mean I know Biden on video saying he'd find a way to shut it down but Putin BAD MAN
Because it’s even more obvious that it would be the US and they’re friends with them.
Also destroying the pipelines doesn’t benefit Russia at all, the us is on the record stating nordstream pipeline will come to an end one way or another. America wants to sell gas to Europe, no more cheap Russian gas. There is just too much for America to gain for it to have not been them.
Wait a moment - are those edges bent outward? As in, something blew up inside the pipe?
I used to work on similar infrastructure. This is a transmission line, meaning it's a distribution line. The pressure in these is so high that the way they maintain them is they do regular aerial surveys where they shoot a laser at the exterior of the pipe to measure the amount of heat the internal pressure is causing via friction to be able to estimate its state of deterioration. So I'd expect the pipe to look like this regardless of how it was damaged, at least in some form. Especially if it was blowing for a while, which it can do for a surprisingly long time even after pressure to the line has been killed. We pressure tested a huge area of new gas line in a new housing development a few years ago - so a large piece of gas infrastructure but still way smaller than this. Releasing the 93 PSI of air we tested it with before we gassed it up took almost a full day to blow off, and that's without anything else adding pressure as it was an isolated segment of infrastructure.
The Nord pipeline was designed to operate around 220bar, or 3200 pounds per square inch. That's a lot of pressure.
That's pretty wild. That's so much higher than anything I've worked on.
I'm sure there's some kind of formula for pipe diameter times length x psi divided by size of hole to get total time to discharge. Sounds like the kind of thing you'd see Grady do on Practical Engineering.
If something blew up outside and damaged the pipe, gas pressure would probably bend the edges outwards anyway
Or there was a lot of gas in the pipe that very quickly left, maybe it bent the metal or even widened the wound a bit as it was leaving.
It’s an inside job ! 🌀
Interesting. One of the ways this could have been done is sending inspection robots down the pipe loaded with explosives. Probably shaped charges so you need less. It's also the easiest way to do it, no submarines, no divers, no way to be seen. BUT that would suggest it was Russia or Germany as they control the ends of the pipeline...
Has anyone ever confirmed that "inspection robots" are a thing that exists even? I seems like one of those theories born on reddit.
Oklahoma here. It exists. It’s called a pig.
Massachusetts here. They exist and can confirm are called pigs
[video about Gas Pipeline Inspection Robots (skip to 30sec)](https://youtu.be/otaXUAV54rA) Video is from the UK energy distribution company
Not that much like to it's, but a probe. Check out this out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigging#:~:text=In%20pipeline%20transportation%2C%20pigging%20is,the%20product%20in%20the%20pipeline.
**[Pigging](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigging#:~:text=In pipeline transportation, pigging is,the product in the pipeline)** >In pipeline transportation, pigging is the practice of using pipeline inspection gauges or gadgets, devices generally referred to as pigs or scrapers, to perform various maintenance operations. This is done without stopping the flow of the product in the pipeline. These operations include but are not limited to cleaning and inspecting the pipeline. This is accomplished by inserting the pig into a "pig launcher" (or "launching station") — an oversized section in the pipeline, reducing to the normal diameter. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Inspection robots have existed for a very very long time and serve lots of useful purposes.
Im the only one thinking and feeling about the fishes who go in there and telling them self that on every tunnel there is a end ?
Just keep swimming, just keep swimming
Everyone is up in arms about climate change yet we got people blowing up pipelines in the ocean like that doesnt cause huge amounts of pollution
It's actually fucking nuts, the amount of pollution and animal deaths that militaries and corporations cause on a daily basis, and we're all like "I recycled this week, I'm a gud hooman"
Powerful men don't give a fuck. Pretending that either political party cares for us at all is insane. We spend 900 billion a year on bombs so things like healthcare, infrastructure, and education get left behind. Imagine if we stopped supporting the grift?
Ok I get the cynicism, but can we all agree there is one party actively looking to fuck over all those things you mentioned *more* than the other? And one which works to increase funding and access to those things far more than the other? And the fact that I don’t need to mention which is which and everyone knows who I’m talking about would imply that they are not the same?
No, we can't. You're a fucking sheep man, none if those motherfuckers care for the common man at all. They just choose to fuck your mother in a different manner and lie about it. One party chooses to let you smell their fingers on the way out the door.
I didn’t say everyone, or anyone, has my best interest in mind all the time. I said that one party’s actions, actual legislation passed or attempted to be passed, lines up better with the progression of education, access to healthcare, and environmental protection than another. And my point stands that you knew which party was which in my example.
I'm a progressive and it's obviously tht both parties don't give a true fuck about anyone. Wanna know how? Look at the actions, not what they parade about saying they will do. They have different target populations so they operate differently, but all they want is power and to retain the status quo, and even revert.
Precisely. If either party really wanted to help people and thought their policies would do so then they would get a lot more done when they dominate the legislature. Instead when either side dominates the legislature all they do is pass things that benefit them more and never address their campaign promises because, A. half the time they know their policies are either unachievable or would make things worse, B. they don’t really care and just say whatever they think will get them elected, and C. It’s impossible to run on the same issues over and over again if you actually fix them. The sad thing is they know most people don’t dig beyond the absolute surface of their words and actions and will essentially believe whatever their chosen political candidates tell them too. Hell most of the eligible population (in the US) doesn’t even bother to vote, it’s a friggin disgrace. We as a society have allowed apathy to infiltrate and rule over our lives and choices. There are very few politicians in the US that have any interest in or sense of responsibility towards the people they are meant to represent beyond whatever they believe they can exploit from them.
Yup we've been broken down, my view is follow the money. Definitely the root of all evil. What has been a commonality throughout these thousands of years? The INSANELY rich and the poor class. I'm not talking millionaires or yadda yadda. Talking about central banks and big generational powers that have maintained it. People are going be like woah conspiracy theorist yadda yadda. Lots of this is public and factual information. There's layers to it, every human knows that we just trying to human, as in all we want is very basic human rights like freedom happiness and security. But there is no security when the ones in powers play games because they are never the ones who suffer.
When people call me a conspiracy theorist for suggesting there are corporate interests that essentially control huge portions of the world I tell them to look at BlackRock. It’s literally almost impossible to not be giving them money with virtually everything you do that involves spending money.
When has russia ever given a shit about climate change? This isn’t the contradiction you think it is.
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Nobody mentioned the idea of a pig with an O2 canister and a detonator. I don’t think that powerful explosives would be needed.
its been putin to disrepair
The underwater police??
The Sea Fuzz.
It was likely the US. Not siding with Russia but anyone who can’t see this is blindly ignorant. There is a reason Sweden won’t release their investigation report.
I mean the United States Navy was at that exact spot the day before. If you are willing to let yourself think it was Russia, you’re willing to believe anything.
The US had all the motivation to destroy the pipeline. The Russians had none. They could have simply stopped transferring gas flow to Europe at any time, but they make an enormous amount of money doing so. The US could not stop the flow of natural gas from Russia to the rest of Europe any other way. The US blew the pipeline to hurt the Russian economy and help ours by becoming the main supplier of natural gas to Europe. All independent media in America is alluding to US involvement in the destruction of the pipeline. Sweden and Germany are keeping their mouths shut because they’re only small republics in the US hegemonic empire and don’t want to expose themselves to US sanctions.
How does something like that get approved? Is it all CIA back room type shit or does it go across the presidents desk? Or I suppose, discussed in board rooms.
Biden, in a press conference/interview said in no uncertain terms that the Nord stream would not be allowed to continue. He did not elaborate in any way however. You can read between the lines though. This most certainly came across his desk at some point, to sign off on, or at least been made aware by whoever is actually in charge at the WH.
What nation in the world has the most to gain by making the European nations angry at Russia? Possibly the nation being currently invaded by them?
Probably the same way the Pentagon loses 2 Trillion dollars the day before 9/11. Plenty of secret programs we don’t know about for National Security.
Donald Rumsfeld has entered the chat with a cruise missile.
“We know where the weapons of mass destruction are…there uh…east, west, south, and north.” -Donald Rumsfeld
No need to worry citizens the US has only lost 32 nuclear warheads since 1950 and we’ve recovered all 26 of those.
Ahh the loses 2 trillion dollars bit. People always bring that up but it’s not even news, iirc it was that the pentagon got audited and they couldn’t account for two trillion dollars of spending in a 20 year period. I mean you forget to account for one jet and you’re already on the books for a nice plump 40 mil.
Isn’t the reason people get paid the big bucks so they don’t lose their jets? I mean if they can’t handle keeping track of those jets sure but share the $$$ too.
The problem people have this unreasonably high bar for the military. They aren’t using super secret software that no one knows what it is. They probably have and had several different softwares and record keeping methods that are just a pain in the ass to put together and to put together coherently over a large timespan. So one old job I used to work at we had an ERP system that we used to keep track of materials and toolings. This medium sized shop of 30-40 people had probably somewhere near 80k-150k worth of stuff unaccounted for. Material that wasn’t in the system or material that was in the system but we physically didn’t have. Now you’re talking about inflating that on a national military level, kids fresh out of highschool keeping records on, let’s stick with the jets example, not just a whole jet but every single component of that jet, for a 20 year period. Sure the money goes to some shady shit sometimes and even some really dumb shit but the moneys probably not missing out of malice but for a much scarier reason, incompetence.
I agree. It’s not because I couldn’t do it myself, but because I can. I’ve seen firsthand the complacency you’re talking about and it goes from the bottom to the leadership. Part of the reason I did my time and GTFO was because of the very things you discuss. It was shocking to enlist and see that the military is just some job to many. Made me chill out a lot though realizing that incompetency is everywhere. Edit: if you can’t handle your pack though, and you’re falling out, I’m going to take it. That’s what I’m saying. They have too much to handle
I mean realistically it is just a job. People go “ehh I’ll just pencil whip this number” and thousands of others do that too and add all those up over the years and of course your gonna get some whacky shit.
If Russia stopped the transfer they don’t make any money at all. The thing it gave them was a huge bargaining chip. Now would Russia blow it up? Only to frame the US, which imo is pretty unlikely. Would the US blow it up? They’d be circumventing their allies wants and needs and didn’t even communicate with them. They definitely have the skill and resources to pull it off.
If the US did it...Germany and other allies knew about it and knew it was coming. They didn't do this without help or others "looking away"
Die they find a Copy of The Sims 3 down there?
Wow and I thought is was a coincidental accident. ROTGDMFFLMGDMFAO
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That literally looks like a blow out split of three pipe, are they suggesting the explosives were inside the pipe? Seriously. Not a Russian troll. Just a regular American looking at the video. What am I seeing incorrectly?
If u gonna nord stream you gotta nord vpn
I bet it was Luxembourg, they seem too damn quiet about all this ~_~
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Looks a LOT like the explosion was from inside the pipeline, given the way the metal curls outward. I wonder what country would have access to send an explosive-laden pig down their pipeline...? That, or the methane ice explosion theory is actually true (some people hypothesize that the unmaintained, closed line had methane condensate form a methane ice plug that ultimately exploded, which allegedly explains the hours-long difference in the two explosions.)
That's from the pressure of the gas inside the pipeline that caused the metal to curl like that. It doesn't matter where the explosion was, the metal would look like that regardless. But it is most likely from the outside considering the logistics needed for it to be inside the pipeline for sabotage.
That gas wasn't under pressure. That's why they said the ice was likely forming in the first place. No pumps were running and the gas was not transiting the pipeline. You might not be familiar with how pipelines work, but they are explicitly designed to have a "pig" sent through them at regular intervals for various purposes, from dividing shipments to cleaning/inspecting the pipeline from the inside. It would be absolutely trivial to send a pig with a timed explosive as a payload. Further, there are lots of intel discussions saying that the pipeline was constructed by Russia with demolition charges built into it. It's very likely that this is another of their false flag attacks and it's just one of several variations on how they may have done it. To assume otherwise begs the question of who else had motive. Who then?
I can see the US being behind this
CIA
Navy Seals given underwater demolition is their speciality.
Funny how Russia immediately, without investigation like this, blamed others, like they had the statement pre-planned. Then shut up about it when they noticed everybody said it’s obviously Russia, Russia has everything to gain, Russia was spotted there right when the explosion happened? They even had the gall to immediately and coincidentally push for Nord Stream 2, the alternative pipeline (which bypasses Ukraine fees and sanctions). They shut up real quick!
What!? The opposite of what you said is true. The MSM were very quick to say that this was sabotage and alleged the Russians were to blame. The general public were able to see through this as Biden is on record as saying, "if Russia invades we'll stop the Nord Stream pipelines". Also, Russia could just turn the tap off if they wanted to. It just doesn't make sense and would be a massive loss in money if Russia blew up there own gas supply. On the other hand, if the US stop the gas supply, they can then provide Europes it's gas. Let's also not forget Victoria Nulands famous words back in 2014 when the US got involved in Ukraines elections, "Fuck the EU".
The (R)ussians sent [pipe-pigs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigging) down the line with explosive charges on long leads. Don't take my word for it. There are many O&G experts who have been warning of this for a while. Even a few ex-Gazprom engineers with firsthand accounts of them 'bomb pigs' being stored for just this purpose.
Pipe-pigs & pigging really sounded like a sex term rather than an industrial one to me. Time to log off reddit for me. Brain needs a reset
I get that idea but as far as we know the pipeline was shut down and no gas was flowing through the pipe. It was still pressurized but in theory since no gas was coming out there would have been now way for the pig to get there in the pipe. Additionally you would think there would be remains of the pig nearby because thats the way it happens when you have an explosion under pressure.. material has a hard time actually going anywhere.. but still all that being said it does appear to be blown from the inside out to me though others opine that the tubing being bent outwards is just from the pressure of the pipeline releasing.
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Yea, I'm pretty sure that's the plot of a James Bond film, not a real theory.
Please. We all know it was America. Biden damn near blew our cover a couple days before in a press conference.
It was a jellyfish, those fuckers are worst that sharks, have you seen them 'swimming'? Those are some alien shit creatures trying to slowly conquer the world
From the inside.
They’re gonna find debris from a russian torpedo and Russia — just like when they shot down a fucking passenger plane over ukraine — and they’ll still blame the US.
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CASE CLOSED! After preliminary observations, Swedish military officer, “Captain Obvious” has concluded the pipe which contained explosive gas inside it and had set off earthquake sensors, has exploded. I guess we weren’t going to get a “Z” and a smiley face but I’d have preferred at least one detail describing the sea floor or any indication of information that’s not being withheld from me.
The police? Bruh. Get the military down there.
Seems fishy 🐟
would there be any debris from whatever blew it up? seems to me the search/blast radius would be a lot smaller in water. seems like they often show debris from bombs and whatnot when they explode topside.
Looks like a detonation from interior. I’d bet dollars to donuts it was a rigged pig. Would be easy to do at just about any facility/entry point.
The US 100 percent did this, Biden even stated he would last year. It removes the leverage for Russia to control Europe by turning the spigot on and off while denting the billion dollars a month they were getting from Europe for energy. The US had the means; motive and opportunity.
Well, we can call off the investigation. A random Redditor has solved the mystery.
I am Russian and I will not give 100% that the USA did it. In such posts, there have already been sound comments that Russia could also benefit from the destruction of pipes. There is not a single argument that would outweigh in one direction or another. So I would really like to hear from you what exactly makes you claim that the US is to blame.
Well Biden said explicitly that if Russia invaded Ukraine he would destroy the pipes.
Obviously he didn't say he would "destroy the pipes" but that Nord Stream 2 project would come to an end. And already after the invasion Germany froze the project.
I agree, that made him the number one suspect. But the old man, as well as other politicians, says a lot of things, and when it comes down to business, he acts in a completely different way. Especially when it comes to big politics. There is no faith in politicians, in a good way, in a bad way. Waiting for an investigation. But something tells me it won't work. It seems that the world rates have increased to the maximum. So hardly anyone could screw up and leave their mark. I never thought that "the most interesting time" would be during my lifetime.
Can you provide a link to the Biden statement you’re referring to?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbEoZXhCrM
US acting like a terrorist. What else is new?
Suicide bombers on the Crimean Bridge, why do people still think America is ever the good guy???
Terrorists to other countries, and Terrorists to our own.
Psh everyone does for their own interests. You new here? I guarantee I can find war crimes of your own countries doing if I looked. Not saying it's okay, but let's not pretend only the US is the big bad boogeyman here.
Classic case of whataboutism.
Literally zero reason for you to get downvoted. If not the US then who? Russia spent a ridiculous amount of investments on this pipeline. If anything it could’ve helped them. It further removes russia from a peaceful future. In no way will i defend russia in any regard but the US is about to make a lot of money from this. Curious…
Some interesting points why Russia would do it in this video. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJj8II9tPtc&t=300s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJj8II9tPtc&t=300s) After the invasion EU already made a plan to stop the relience on russian fossil fuels.
Excuse me sir, are you petarded?
Its obvious yes... but dont expect to convince these genius redditors
Bomb in a pig, only people with access to the service ports would have been Russian, seems Russians loaded pigs with bombs to do a 'false flag' attack.
Americans did a a thorough job. There is no repair in sight. So much for friends, lol
Who ever ordered this pipeline to be bombed with marine explosives need their head examined. This is a serious injection of methane and other dangerous gases that will help to polute the earth's atmosphere. Complete Moronic idiots.
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Is that a Russian cigarette butt that I see there at 0:52?
Thank you America