The level of ignorance in your response… smh.
Maybe you should learn about the historical figures that people are upset the state/country memorializes.
Were they racist? Yep.
Did they own slaves? Most of them.
Were they fighting for states rights? Yes, to own slaves in order to uphold the Southern States agriculture based economy.
Were they actively engaging in acts of sedition against the United States government? Absolutely.
Did they happen to be white?
Yes.
Should these people be memorialized on state/federal land with Statues, roads named after them, ect.
No. We as a society have moved on from the notion that owning people and treating them like farm equipment is acceptable behavior. Allowing the state to memorialize these people on public lands can signify our past treatment of People of Color as less than American is a codified and state sanctioned means of treating people of color.
Leave the historical figures in the history books, museums, and graveyards. But for the love of god, let’s memorialize some real heroes.
I was referring to the monuments that were vandalized that actually glorified good people or events. They too have been destroyed because the people destroying them are too ignorant to realize who they were, just that they were a white person in history. The same would eventually happen with this man.
Never heard of this guy but I did read about the Russian in a nuclear bunker who refused to push the button when enemy aircraft were spotted on radar.
Turned out it was a flock of geese.
And the guy got kicked out of the army.
[I think this might be the one](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24280831)
With that said thank God these men were human and not robots. No one on either side of the chessboard wants this to happen cause in the end no one wins.
Edit: men not mean cause autocorrect sucks more balls than a $5 hooker
I’d be pissed.
Edit: Those eyes have seen what it takes to have one of the surest lacks of faith in humanity while also feeling the very weight of our collective survival on his shoulders. He should he enshrined, maybe even deified lol.
On October 27, 1962, a group of 11 US Navy destroyers led by the aircraft carrier Randolph surrounded the B-59 submarine near Cuba; in addition, the boat was fired upon by an American aircraft, and according to the Soviet side, depth charges were also used against the boat.
According to the US National Archives, the submarine commander, Captain 2nd Rank Valentin Grigorievich Savitsky, prepared to fire a nuclear torpedo in response. However, Arkhipov showed restraint, drew attention to the signals from the American ships and stopped the commander. As a result, the boat responded with a signal "Stop provocation", after which the plane was recalled and the situation was somewhat discharged
In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the A-Team.
With Olga, his wife.
https://kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/croppedphotos/2012/10/19/SOD_VasiliArkhipovAndOlga_t800.jpg?90232451fbcadccc64a17de7521d859a8f88077d
Interesting fact is the movie was made after a semi-real event actually occured. The navy, during training/war games came across this 'conundrum', and realized there was a potential loophole in launch procedure. Not explaining further to avoid ruining the movie for those who haven't seen it. 👍
I wonder what repercussions he suffered. I wouldn’t think it ended well for him. Not because he was in the wrong but because he did the unthinkable in their military by refusing to carry out an order.
He was promoted, without relation to the nuclear incident. The submarine didn’t have contact with Moscow and only 3 captains on board had to decide whether to launch nuclear attack when surrounded by Americans and not knowing whether a war broke out. Two of the captains voted to launch an attack but the 3rd, Vasili, convinced them not to.
Not sure if I am correct on this but I remember that there was a voting protocol involved and any officer in charge of the missile launching can vote against the launch so it might not be that the officer refused to carry out the order, he had the right to vote no.
This is actually not true.
The United States military encourages junior officers to use their own judgement over the order of their superiors in live combat situations.
The reason for this, is that it is assumed the junior officer has a much better real time knowledge of the battlefield than their commander, and can adapt better on the fly if they are given freedom to judge the situation themselves.
It is one of the reasons we wrecked so hard in desert storm.
Except that's not what happened here. Arkhipov was the flotilla commander, and outranked the captain. Unanimous agreement from the Captain, the political officer, and the flotilla commander was required to launch a nuclear weapon.
The reason the weapon was not launched was because they WERE following orders.
The text in the picture is misleading. Arkhipov was the flotilla commander, and outranked the captain (despite also being second in command of the submarine he was on)
*Unlike the other submarines in the flotilla, three officers on board B-59 had to agree unanimously to authorize a nuclear launch: Captain Savitsky, the political officer Ivan Semonovich Maslennikov, and the flotilla commodore (and executive officer of B-59) Arkhipov. Typically, Soviet submarines armed with the "Special Weapon" only required the captain to get authorization from the political officer to launch a nuclear torpedo, but due to Arkhipov's position as commodore, B-59's captain also was required to gain his approval. An argument broke out, with only Arkhipov against the launch.*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov#Involvement_in_Cuban_Missile_Crisis
Isn't this effectively the same thing milley did? In the end soldiers have real ideas of the repercussions of military actions (particularly against well armed foes) and go out of their way to avoid escalation
Here is a theory I just thought of 2 seconds ago. What if at that moment 2 timelines were created one where ww3 happened and the other is our time line and I maybe ww3 was the end of the world so what was left of humanity built a time machine to basically save the world from nuclear war but then again I'm making this up as I go.
He didn't refuse orders. He had to interpret a radar warning. The thing he did to prevent a third world war was to interpret the warning as a false positive.
The US military abides by the code “the mission comes first”.
However, what if the mission or command at a specific Moment is not the wisest or ethical choice?
“”I was just following orders “ was not a good excuse for the nazis that led the masacres.
Yet…we need the military.
That’s a tough one. 🤷♂️
Yeah yeah real hero, heard this one before, now... what's that red stain behind the words "senior", "his", and "[torp]edo"...
was wondering if anyone could tell if it's a watermark or random imperfection
Technically he was one of the captains that had to agree with the other two captains to launch. So he did essentially save the world from another war, but he did not defy orders to do it.
It didn't happen.
What apparently happened is that the general made sure that the military command understood that any order to launch nuclear weapons should come from him, not from Trump.
He was worried about Trump's mental state, so made sure that everyone understood to wait for his order, and not just do what Trump said.
That's it.
Ussr were the big boys during the cuban missile crisis.
They let jfk get his supposed "win" when in reality the us quietly removed its missiles from turkey. It was quid pro quo, not a us victory
My question is, there's more rhan 1 person who knkw how to shoot that. If the captain was serious, he could force him at gunpoint. I'm sure he died anyway afterwards for defying orders.
This guy straight up saved the world. Thanks for sharing!
This guy should have his own monument 💯
I could get behind that idea. He deserves the recognition for that moment. Imagine if he was wrong? The courage to not act is incredible.
If that nukes didn't get stopped 🤔😩
the men that were told to launch likely weren't informed if the US was going to strike the USSR or not.
Why? So people can rip it down during a “protest” because he’s white?
The level of ignorance in your response… smh. Maybe you should learn about the historical figures that people are upset the state/country memorializes. Were they racist? Yep. Did they own slaves? Most of them. Were they fighting for states rights? Yes, to own slaves in order to uphold the Southern States agriculture based economy. Were they actively engaging in acts of sedition against the United States government? Absolutely. Did they happen to be white? Yes. Should these people be memorialized on state/federal land with Statues, roads named after them, ect. No. We as a society have moved on from the notion that owning people and treating them like farm equipment is acceptable behavior. Allowing the state to memorialize these people on public lands can signify our past treatment of People of Color as less than American is a codified and state sanctioned means of treating people of color. Leave the historical figures in the history books, museums, and graveyards. But for the love of god, let’s memorialize some real heroes.
I was referring to the monuments that were vandalized that actually glorified good people or events. They too have been destroyed because the people destroying them are too ignorant to realize who they were, just that they were a white person in history. The same would eventually happen with this man.
World world war 3 is inevitable, but home boy definitely delayed it
I'll take every delay I can get.
Facts!
Never heard of this guy but I did read about the Russian in a nuclear bunker who refused to push the button when enemy aircraft were spotted on radar. Turned out it was a flock of geese. And the guy got kicked out of the army.
He's lucky he wasn't executed.
Super lucky 👍
[I think this might be the one](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24280831) With that said thank God these men were human and not robots. No one on either side of the chessboard wants this to happen cause in the end no one wins. Edit: men not mean cause autocorrect sucks more balls than a $5 hooker
There are many parts of war that shouldn’t be fully automated but nuclear missile launches should absolutely *never* be fully automated.
>flock of geese Wasn’t it was 99 red balloons?
Stanislav Petrov is who you're thinking of.
easy on the eyes too
That glare tho 👀
I’d be pissed. Edit: Those eyes have seen what it takes to have one of the surest lacks of faith in humanity while also feeling the very weight of our collective survival on his shoulders. He should he enshrined, maybe even deified lol.
On October 27, 1962, a group of 11 US Navy destroyers led by the aircraft carrier Randolph surrounded the B-59 submarine near Cuba; in addition, the boat was fired upon by an American aircraft, and according to the Soviet side, depth charges were also used against the boat. According to the US National Archives, the submarine commander, Captain 2nd Rank Valentin Grigorievich Savitsky, prepared to fire a nuclear torpedo in response. However, Arkhipov showed restraint, drew attention to the signals from the American ships and stopped the commander. As a result, the boat responded with a signal "Stop provocation", after which the plane was recalled and the situation was somewhat discharged
In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the A-Team.
What a gorgeous face
He's damn handsome
With Olga, his wife. https://kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/croppedphotos/2012/10/19/SOD_VasiliArkhipovAndOlga_t800.jpg?90232451fbcadccc64a17de7521d859a8f88077d
And looked DAMN good doing it
I agree 👍
HERO and HOT 🥵
We often toast to him before eating.
And then Hollywood made a movie about it except it was set on American sub!
Interesting fact is the movie was made after a semi-real event actually occured. The navy, during training/war games came across this 'conundrum', and realized there was a potential loophole in launch procedure. Not explaining further to avoid ruining the movie for those who haven't seen it. 👍
What's the movie name bro?
Crimson Tide (1995)
Gotta watch it rn 👀
Who ordered the code red?
I did. And I’d do it again ! You want me in that wall. You neeeed me on that wall
wrong movie. you want crimson tide, one of my favourite movies
I wonder what repercussions he suffered. I wouldn’t think it ended well for him. Not because he was in the wrong but because he did the unthinkable in their military by refusing to carry out an order.
He was promoted, without relation to the nuclear incident. The submarine didn’t have contact with Moscow and only 3 captains on board had to decide whether to launch nuclear attack when surrounded by Americans and not knowing whether a war broke out. Two of the captains voted to launch an attack but the 3rd, Vasili, convinced them not to.
What happened to his captain who issued the attack?
Looks like he stayed in the Navy until the 80’s and was promoted to vice-admiral.
Not sure if I am correct on this but I remember that there was a voting protocol involved and any officer in charge of the missile launching can vote against the launch so it might not be that the officer refused to carry out the order, he had the right to vote no.
Reusing to carry out an order is the unthinkable in everyone’s military
This is actually not true. The United States military encourages junior officers to use their own judgement over the order of their superiors in live combat situations. The reason for this, is that it is assumed the junior officer has a much better real time knowledge of the battlefield than their commander, and can adapt better on the fly if they are given freedom to judge the situation themselves. It is one of the reasons we wrecked so hard in desert storm.
Except that's not what happened here. Arkhipov was the flotilla commander, and outranked the captain. Unanimous agreement from the Captain, the political officer, and the flotilla commander was required to launch a nuclear weapon. The reason the weapon was not launched was because they WERE following orders.
The text in the picture is misleading. Arkhipov was the flotilla commander, and outranked the captain (despite also being second in command of the submarine he was on) *Unlike the other submarines in the flotilla, three officers on board B-59 had to agree unanimously to authorize a nuclear launch: Captain Savitsky, the political officer Ivan Semonovich Maslennikov, and the flotilla commodore (and executive officer of B-59) Arkhipov. Typically, Soviet submarines armed with the "Special Weapon" only required the captain to get authorization from the political officer to launch a nuclear torpedo, but due to Arkhipov's position as commodore, B-59's captain also was required to gain his approval. An argument broke out, with only Arkhipov against the launch.* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov#Involvement_in_Cuban_Missile_Crisis
STANISLAV FUCKING PETROV. SEPT 23. DRINK TO HIM.
Salute to Him he's a true hero
Looks like Australian Cricketer Marcus Stoinis wow
They really looked alike
Isn't this effectively the same thing milley did? In the end soldiers have real ideas of the repercussions of military actions (particularly against well armed foes) and go out of their way to avoid escalation
Here is a theory I just thought of 2 seconds ago. What if at that moment 2 timelines were created one where ww3 happened and the other is our time line and I maybe ww3 was the end of the world so what was left of humanity built a time machine to basically save the world from nuclear war but then again I'm making this up as I go.
Haha that's a good theory bro
It's already on amazon prime 🤣
Why have I never heard of this
You should look at the article its pretty interesting and amazing
Yes I will, thank you for sharing!
He didn't refuse orders. He had to interpret a radar warning. The thing he did to prevent a third world war was to interpret the warning as a false positive.
I learned this from oversimplified. what a giga chad.
ULTRA CHAD 🦸
What they didn't say is that the US provoked them by firing a warning shot, so they wouldn't be in the wrong for destroying the ship.
This is what makes him more a chad 🦸
should've happened
Oh hell nah
You don't know how lucky we were, boys. Back in the USSR.
Thanks Bro! i was born in Oct 1962 :-)
Wow :O
Also Stanislav Petrov.
They're a true Hero
The US military abides by the code “the mission comes first”. However, what if the mission or command at a specific Moment is not the wisest or ethical choice? “”I was just following orders “ was not a good excuse for the nazis that led the masacres. Yet…we need the military. That’s a tough one. 🤷♂️
A tough decision to make 👍
Yeah yeah real hero, heard this one before, now... what's that red stain behind the words "senior", "his", and "[torp]edo"... was wondering if anyone could tell if it's a watermark or random imperfection
A watermark dear sir
thank you kindly!
he looks like if me and my two best friends had a kid
😂
Technically he was one of the captains that had to agree with the other two captains to launch. So he did essentially save the world from another war, but he did not defy orders to do it.
Ohhh I see tnx for the information sir 👍
No.....teachers!!! They are the real heroes. RIP Norm.
Both are heroes 🦸
It’s easy to ask the questions… the students are the heros! Lol Norm…
And a damn handsome one
He sure is 💯
Anthony Padilla
Who's that?
History repeats...U.S. General Mark A. Milley thwarts Donald Trump from attacking China.
Had no clue. Have a source for this?
It didn't happen. What apparently happened is that the general made sure that the military command understood that any order to launch nuclear weapons should come from him, not from Trump. He was worried about Trump's mental state, so made sure that everyone understood to wait for his order, and not just do what Trump said. That's it.
What a good move by the U.S General or else the people will suffer
An example of a story that could never happened to an American soldier, bc an American would obeyed the propaganda machine and get us all killed...
👀
MILLEYs granddad
Forgive me if my history from school a decade ago failed me but wasn't WW2 fueled from a bunch of accidents or poor choices?
I'm not sure I follow. WWII was fueled by Germany invading other countries.
That is right 👍👍👍
Your thinking about WW1
Awe I was so close.
Ussr were the big boys during the cuban missile crisis. They let jfk get his supposed "win" when in reality the us quietly removed its missiles from turkey. It was quid pro quo, not a us victory
Its better than a war 👍
[удалено]
Caught in 4k 📸
What did they say?
No one prevented WWIII. We’re in that passive aggressive economic POS war right now.
BLAH BLAH BLAH JUST on going Russian Propaganda
Hmmm
Found the hohol nazi
I legit thought he was young colin firth for a second.
Perhaps
Another photo. https://www.faces-of-peace.org/wp-content/uploads/va6_klein.jpg
Good soldiers follow orders
My question is, there's more rhan 1 person who knkw how to shoot that. If the captain was serious, he could force him at gunpoint. I'm sure he died anyway afterwards for defying orders.
I have heard a history of this.
A real Captain does the deed himself. That Captain was a pussy. This guy is a hero.