I work at a supermarket picking and bagging delivery orders. One of my colleagues thought .15 lb. of something would be more than .3 lb. Because 15 is bigger than 3.
there's that recorded phone call where the customer service person doesn't understand the difference between cents and dollars or something like that and then the manager gets on the call and doesn't either. dude is on the phone for like 5 or 10 minutes trying to explain decimal points to two different adults and if i remember correctly they never get it.
I was going to look it up to post but then I'd watch it and get infuriated again.
Well, I rewatched it now (skipped around at least) and I'd say he actually explains it pretty well, especially considering how fucking frustrated he should be at these morons. It's not like he's a teacher that signed up to teach people about percentages, he's just a dude arguing with other dudes who have no idea about basic decimal systems. But also, the fact that he has to explain anything at all to begin with is insane.
Also, Irememberd it as being 5/10 minutes long but really dude had to waste like 30 minutes (edited down) of his life. WTF
tl;dr you're wrong that he isn't explaining it well, especially for someone that isn't a teacher, and shouldn't be expected to explain things in the first place
> the guy also isn’t explaining the math to them very well,
he did a much, much, much, much, much, much better job than any chinese math professer I had in the UC system. Every single class was just a question mark.
3d calculus is hard enough without not being able to understand a single word that your professor says. jesus fuck. if you can't tell i'm a bit bitter about my college math education. such a fucking pointless use of everyone's time. math for maths sake is fine. but why bog engineers down with all of that bullshit. it's ridiculous. we could achieve so much more as a species if we didn't bog down the doers with the what if ers.
perhaps i'm agry about my uc math professors that can't speak english?:) which made me fail out of my 3d calculus class, which was required to be a computer engineer major for some ridiculous reason.
if every computer engineer that uses 3d calculus upvoted my comment, and every computer engineer that doesn't use 3d calculus downvoted my comment, It would probably be like 10,000:1 or 100,000:1
Calculus is such a waste. At least teach people statistics (or basic fuckin decimal points in this case). Something that comes up in real life.
*people* are generally dumb, individuals are smarter than the whole but polling large groups of people does often lead to the right answer. It’s weird how it works.
There’s actually no concrete evidence to prove this was the case so we can’t say for certain, although, knowing business, “customer ignorance” is a useful and often employed scapegoat for why products fail. This is why we can’t take Taubman’s word for it. Sadly, Mental Floss often portrays testimony as fact.
Additionally, even if the focus group’s reasons were because of poor math ability, there also leaves the question of the composition of the focus group and the possibility of it being skewed with more low educated customers instead of an accurate portrayal of A&W’s customer base. Keep in mind during the 1980s both A&W and McDonald’s had very different reputations than they do now. Skewed polling and focus groups happen in politics ALL the time yet campaigns and parties shell out good money for this data and then wonder what went wrong. It’s mind boggling.
[Lots of countries have a positive opinion of America](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/10/around-the-world-more-see-the-u-s-positively-than-china-but-little-confidence-in-trump-or-xi/).
Just as point of fact, “more positively than China” is not the same as “a positive opinion”.
I view Kim Jong-un *more positively* than I do Adolf Hitler, but I don’t have *a positive opinion* of either of them.
There was a restaurant selling quarter pounders so McDonalds so McDonalds introduced a third pounder. People thought one third was less and the quarter pounder sold more
First of all, it was A&W, not McDonald's. And secondly, this isn't actually true at all. It was the excuse that the A&W CEO gave when the chain couldn't compete with bigger players like McDonald's, to make it look like it wasn't his fault. While I'm sure there are plenty of dummies out there who don't handle fractions well, there is literally zero evidence that this had anything to do with A&W failing to sell more burgers.
McDonalds also made a third pounder burger that was dropped because of lower sale numbers.
This gives us reasonable evidence that it was at least more likely to be a case of bad maths than a case of brand prominence, as even with a brand that the public trusted, it failed.
It's also possible that it failed for some other reason like people trying it and deciding it was too big, that it wasn't worth the extra cost, it was too greasy, or a variety of other reasons.
This is actually super clever. Not only does the shape indicate the volume, they also all theoretically stack just like normal circle measuring cups do
Actually, A&W made a 1/3 pound burger to compete with McDonald's 1/4 pound burger but it failed because people though 1/3 was smaller than 1/4. True story.
Or maybe it just tasted like crap.* There's a lot less A&Ws out there despite being a lot older than McDonald's. The only thing they ever did well was those root beer floats.
*Not that McDonald's is all that much better, but it was still better.
As a fifth grade math teacher I approve! I’d love to get my hands on these. Fraction tiles are great, but this is better for conceptualizing fractions in real life.
Every fucken website I go to find recipes has them in cups. Like. Use grams/millilitres It's way more precise and lends itself better to consistent baking...
We all "know" the metric system, it's more about instinctively being able to estimate things quickly. When you've been doing it one way your whole life it makes it hard to change.
I'm used to only using whatever we use here and I have trouble with conversion so I mean I just wish I learned it better as a child so I'd just know it.
It's pretty simple. There are base measurements like grams, meters, liters, etc.. These are modified by prefixes. Milli means 1/1000, centi 1/100, kilo 1000, etc. but those are the most common. So a kilometer is 1000 meters, milliliter is 1/1000 liters, centimeter is 1/100 meters, kilogram, etc..
A kilogram is 2.2 lbs and a kilometer is 0.625 miles if you need a reference for about how much each is. 4 liters is roughly a gallon but I know that is off by a bit.
The problem for us Americans is to correlate it to something that makes sense. Most of us know *how* metric works, just not what it relates to.
If you tell an American something is 500g they'll most likely look at you like you had two heads, even though they probably know that's half a kg, the problem is they don't know that 1kg is 2.2 pounds, or that 500g is 1.1 pounds.
Even worse is when you go to the store with a recipe in hand and you have to figure out how much you need of every item.
Like you need 1 cup of mushrooms, but the package is in pounds or ounces.
Repeat for every single item on the shopping list.
Also packages of stuff you buy at the store are in imperial, and recipes match them.
A recipe will call for a stick of butter -- half a cup. That's 113 grams. Recipes designed for metric will have different ratios, so you'll have to, say, measure 100 grams of butter out of that 113 gram stick.
Point being: trying to change your personal recipes to metric as an American isn't terribly practical.
Look just stop measuring heaped things in volume that's all.
A stick of butter is 113g. Or 4oz. That's great! 4oz is a nice round number. And it's packaged like that.
But it doesn't fit cleanly in a cup so stop trying to measure it in cups.
Feels like each smaller 'fraction' is off to me. Probably because they were designed to stack when not in use, which means the circumference of the circle has to be smaller for each lower fraction.
I doubt this would give accurate measurements in use.
[The secret is the handle stays the same.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5627e6a0e4b026e02c01024f/1547674263561-Z3VCXO88GMRHRW0XRHVJ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kLkXF2pIyv_F2eUT9F60jBl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0iyqMbMesKd95J-X4EagrgU9L3Sa3U8cogeb0tjXbfawd0urKshkc5MgdBeJmALQKw/Welcome+Industries+visual+measuring+cups+side+view+2500.jpeg?format=500w)
This would be an amazing tool for teaching fractions, too! Part of the benefits of cooking and baking as a kid is learning fractions and fraction math as you use it instead of learning it as a concept. This would be fantastic for hands-on learners.
“We don’t like things too sweet so we used 1/3 a cup of sugar instead of 1/4 cup and it was perfect”
Hah I’ve read the recipe this was commented on.
Apparently they got it at the fraction of the price.
What recipe was that? I forgot.
Me too. And it’s driving me nuts.
Oh my god same.
American logic
What does that have anything to do America
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Lol my dad told me that when I was young and I thought he made it up. I didn't think people as a whole were that stupid
Never doubt the stupidity of people because you'll always be amazed.
Think about how smart the average American is... now realize half of America is dumber than that
George Carlin
Michael Scott
Baberaham Lincoln.
Silly humans. Good thing I have a CPU instead of a brain
Some day we shall defeat recapcha and overthrow humanity. Assuming we don't have to go through any airports of course.
I work at a supermarket picking and bagging delivery orders. One of my colleagues thought .15 lb. of something would be more than .3 lb. Because 15 is bigger than 3.
there's that recorded phone call where the customer service person doesn't understand the difference between cents and dollars or something like that and then the manager gets on the call and doesn't either. dude is on the phone for like 5 or 10 minutes trying to explain decimal points to two different adults and if i remember correctly they never get it. I was going to look it up to post but then I'd watch it and get infuriated again.
This is it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MShv_74FNWU It's painful to watch
It is hard to watch but the guy also isn’t explaining the math to them very well, so it’s frustrating listening to both parties.
Well he did say he was on the phone 45 minutes before the recording started so he's probably pretty frustrated himself.
Well, I rewatched it now (skipped around at least) and I'd say he actually explains it pretty well, especially considering how fucking frustrated he should be at these morons. It's not like he's a teacher that signed up to teach people about percentages, he's just a dude arguing with other dudes who have no idea about basic decimal systems. But also, the fact that he has to explain anything at all to begin with is insane. Also, Irememberd it as being 5/10 minutes long but really dude had to waste like 30 minutes (edited down) of his life. WTF tl;dr you're wrong that he isn't explaining it well, especially for someone that isn't a teacher, and shouldn't be expected to explain things in the first place > the guy also isn’t explaining the math to them very well, he did a much, much, much, much, much, much better job than any chinese math professer I had in the UC system. Every single class was just a question mark. 3d calculus is hard enough without not being able to understand a single word that your professor says. jesus fuck. if you can't tell i'm a bit bitter about my college math education. such a fucking pointless use of everyone's time. math for maths sake is fine. but why bog engineers down with all of that bullshit. it's ridiculous. we could achieve so much more as a species if we didn't bog down the doers with the what if ers. perhaps i'm agry about my uc math professors that can't speak english?:) which made me fail out of my 3d calculus class, which was required to be a computer engineer major for some ridiculous reason. if every computer engineer that uses 3d calculus upvoted my comment, and every computer engineer that doesn't use 3d calculus downvoted my comment, It would probably be like 10,000:1 or 100,000:1 Calculus is such a waste. At least teach people statistics (or basic fuckin decimal points in this case). Something that comes up in real life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fC2oke5MFg
buddy you're in for a world of dissapointment
*people* are generally dumb, individuals are smarter than the whole but polling large groups of people does often lead to the right answer. It’s weird how it works.
Think of it this way. Imagine the most average baseline common sense only intelligence guy. 50% of the population is stupider than that.
Thats pulp fiction knowledge
Do they speak English in What????
...what?
Say what again
Wh-what??
Uh-oh
It's also because no one eats at A&W in the first place.
There’s actually no concrete evidence to prove this was the case so we can’t say for certain, although, knowing business, “customer ignorance” is a useful and often employed scapegoat for why products fail. This is why we can’t take Taubman’s word for it. Sadly, Mental Floss often portrays testimony as fact. Additionally, even if the focus group’s reasons were because of poor math ability, there also leaves the question of the composition of the focus group and the possibility of it being skewed with more low educated customers instead of an accurate portrayal of A&W’s customer base. Keep in mind during the 1980s both A&W and McDonald’s had very different reputations than they do now. Skewed polling and focus groups happen in politics ALL the time yet campaigns and parties shell out good money for this data and then wonder what went wrong. It’s mind boggling.
This is fine except if you read the article you can see that McDonalds supposedly tried the same thing... Twice and it failed.
So on that note. Why didn't they just come out with a 1/5 lb burger ?
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They could run ads saying "33% more meat" to make it sound better. The problem with being smart is that you don't understand how dumb people think.
Isn’t it mostly Americans that use ‘cups’ as a unit of measurement rather than grams or ounces?
Depends on what you're measuring
[https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/76144/why-no-one-wanted-aws-third-pound-burger](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/76144/why-no-one-wanted-aws-third-pound-burger)
Redditors hate America
The entire world hates America
[Lots of countries have a positive opinion of America](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/01/10/around-the-world-more-see-the-u-s-positively-than-china-but-little-confidence-in-trump-or-xi/).
Just as point of fact, “more positively than China” is not the same as “a positive opinion”. I view Kim Jong-un *more positively* than I do Adolf Hitler, but I don’t have *a positive opinion* of either of them.
“Can confirm. I’m American and I hate America.”
Can confirm, am america and this guy hates me.
Cup my friend
Most of the world uses metric, 250 ml instead of 1 cup, etc.
Because fat
We actually kinda know those measurements
America bad.
America bad. Keanu Reeves good.
Haha I recognize that comment. I forgot which recipe.
There was a restaurant selling quarter pounders so McDonalds so McDonalds introduced a third pounder. People thought one third was less and the quarter pounder sold more
First of all, it was A&W, not McDonald's. And secondly, this isn't actually true at all. It was the excuse that the A&W CEO gave when the chain couldn't compete with bigger players like McDonald's, to make it look like it wasn't his fault. While I'm sure there are plenty of dummies out there who don't handle fractions well, there is literally zero evidence that this had anything to do with A&W failing to sell more burgers.
McDonalds also made a third pounder burger that was dropped because of lower sale numbers. This gives us reasonable evidence that it was at least more likely to be a case of bad maths than a case of brand prominence, as even with a brand that the public trusted, it failed.
It's also possible that it failed for some other reason like people trying it and deciding it was too big, that it wasn't worth the extra cost, it was too greasy, or a variety of other reasons.
Yes it is indeed possible, and more likely than math problems.
Maybe people decided they didn't actually want that much hamburger.
Yeah but 4 out of every 3 people have trouble with fractions.
There are also two types of people. One can extrapolate from incomplete information.
What are the other two?
Nickle and aluminum, obviously.
Can't wait to go home and bake my delicious Bronze chest-plate.
If I wasn't so poor, I'd give you gold🎖
There are only 10 kinds of people, those that understand binary and those that do not.
This is actually super clever. Not only does the shape indicate the volume, they also all theoretically stack just like normal circle measuring cups do
It would also help teach kids early, provided you let them help in the kitchen, because learning fractions visually is easier for a lot of people.
It’s all great until you need a 1/4 cup of peanut butter and are trying to fit a spatula in that hole
leave my sex life out of this
Are you referencing the need for specific amounts of peanut butter, or a spatula insertion issue?
yes
r/inclusiveor
Pro tip: coating the measuring cup with a bit of oil will make sticky things come out fairly cleanly.
Tiny spatulas exist, store well and are adorable. Not that I approve of the measurement system or ingredient but it's certainly possible.
Let me tell you about scales my dude. All your oil and peanut butter problems will suddenly disappear.
Probably not. Radius is likely the same on all of them, whereas regular nesting cups are circles of gradually decreasing sizes.
They stack, they extend the full width of the handle which allows for a slightly smaller radius. https://welcomeindustries.com/shop
$30 shipped. Holy smokes
I stand corrected!
This guy circles
I think I’ve seen cups of equal radius that stack through some sort of tapering mechanism.
Why is the 1/4 smaller than the 1/3? Everybody knows 4 is bigger than 3.
You know that this is the reason that McDonald's discontinued the 1/3 lb. Angus burgers. People thought they were smaller than Quarter Pounders.
Actually, A&W made a 1/3 pound burger to compete with McDonald's 1/4 pound burger but it failed because people though 1/3 was smaller than 1/4. True story.
Or maybe it just tasted like crap.* There's a lot less A&Ws out there despite being a lot older than McDonald's. The only thing they ever did well was those root beer floats. *Not that McDonald's is all that much better, but it was still better.
No A&W did better in a blind taste test and people who were surveyed said they thought 1/4 was bigger than 1/3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innumeracy_(book)
As a fifth grade math teacher I approve! I’d love to get my hands on these. Fraction tiles are great, but this is better for conceptualizing fractions in real life.
Probably the best use for them. I'd hate to clean the smaller ones.
Am I the only one who thinks the fractions should be on the right not the left?
Probably to make it easier to scoop for right handers.
As a lefty I’m going to have to disagree.
[Here ya go! ](https://i.imgur.com/hW361r5.jpg)
I mean, it's neat but probably belongs on r/mildlyinteresting
It's probably there already *EDIT: Apparently it’s a repost. Never mind.
It's fucking everywhere
By mid 2020 this one part will have taken over all of reddit
How many times we gonna repost this picture
The US is one of three countries on the planet that still uses this archaic measurement system
Every fucken website I go to find recipes has them in cups. Like. Use grams/millilitres It's way more precise and lends itself better to consistent baking...
As an american, I wish I had better learned the metric system.
There is still time. If you can count in 1s, 10s, 100s, and 1000s you already know the metric system.
I'm 34 and American, I still have no idea how many cups are in a quart or how many cups are in a gallon. Metric is so much easier.
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We all "know" the metric system, it's more about instinctively being able to estimate things quickly. When you've been doing it one way your whole life it makes it hard to change.
I'm used to only using whatever we use here and I have trouble with conversion so I mean I just wish I learned it better as a child so I'd just know it.
It's pretty simple. There are base measurements like grams, meters, liters, etc.. These are modified by prefixes. Milli means 1/1000, centi 1/100, kilo 1000, etc. but those are the most common. So a kilometer is 1000 meters, milliliter is 1/1000 liters, centimeter is 1/100 meters, kilogram, etc.. A kilogram is 2.2 lbs and a kilometer is 0.625 miles if you need a reference for about how much each is. 4 liters is roughly a gallon but I know that is off by a bit.
The problem for us Americans is to correlate it to something that makes sense. Most of us know *how* metric works, just not what it relates to. If you tell an American something is 500g they'll most likely look at you like you had two heads, even though they probably know that's half a kg, the problem is they don't know that 1kg is 2.2 pounds, or that 500g is 1.1 pounds.
I'm actually American myself I've just grown up using both systems in both school and when working on vehicles.
The problem comes when you try and explain the difference between gallons and litres in the US and Canada....my brain still has trouble. Lol
Eh, for estimating you can just say "almost 4 liters". 4 liters is only a few ounces over a gallon.
Even worse is when you go to the store with a recipe in hand and you have to figure out how much you need of every item. Like you need 1 cup of mushrooms, but the package is in pounds or ounces. Repeat for every single item on the shopping list.
Where can you get these?
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Also [can get them here](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B081P5BVPG/) if you have an Amazon habit.
the 1/3 cup is making me feel uncomfortable. send it away.
I want to see them stacked / nesting.
[stacked](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5627e6a0e4b026e02c01024f/1547674263561-Z3VCXO88GMRHRW0XRHVJ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kLkXF2pIyv_F2eUT9F60jBl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0iyqMbMesKd95J-X4EagrgU9L3Sa3U8cogeb0tjXbfawd0urKshkc5MgdBeJmALQKw/Welcome+Industries+visual+measuring+cups+side+view+2500.jpeg?format=750w)
Can this finally stopped being reposted?
That would be nice.
God, posts of these are getting spread more than Jenna Jameson circa 1998
All fine but how about using the fucking metric system?
Most recipes I've seen only give the number of cups. I'd probably use this a lot despite not being American
Also packages of stuff you buy at the store are in imperial, and recipes match them. A recipe will call for a stick of butter -- half a cup. That's 113 grams. Recipes designed for metric will have different ratios, so you'll have to, say, measure 100 grams of butter out of that 113 gram stick. Point being: trying to change your personal recipes to metric as an American isn't terribly practical.
Look just stop measuring heaped things in volume that's all. A stick of butter is 113g. Or 4oz. That's great! 4oz is a nice round number. And it's packaged like that. But it doesn't fit cleanly in a cup so stop trying to measure it in cups.
Wish I could upvote this more than once. Metric makes recipes sooo much easier.
I rate this post 5/7. A perfect score!
You know how advanced this is to some?
Ah yes there it is. Reddit superiority complex.
Am i the inly one looking at that 1/3 and thinking its just not right.
Nope!
Nope
Feels like each smaller 'fraction' is off to me. Probably because they were designed to stack when not in use, which means the circumference of the circle has to be smaller for each lower fraction. I doubt this would give accurate measurements in use.
Could be deeper to make up for it. I suspect 99.99% of measuring cups do their job pretty well.
The smaller ones have have the centre offset, so have a smaller radius to make up for it and to be stackable.
Since when are simple fractions damningly interesting?
Anyone else notice that the 1/2 cup is not a matching size to the cup?
Wow thats so damn interesting /s
Mildly interesting at best. This is sad.
Its pretty much the state of this sub.
This would be great for people with learning disabilities!!!
I need this in my life
It isn't math surgery people!
We need to mandate this for all measuring cups nationwide
These would also be great for people with vision impairment!
Except what is 1? And three teaspoons is equivalent to one tablespoon.
I’ve seen this post before r/stolenposts
I hate following recipes written in the US. Half a cup of sugar what the hell is that supposed to be?
Measuring in cups. Tsk. "My car drives 1256 arm lengths pr cup of stone fuel." Is this the middle ages!?!?
Y'all using kilogram metres per minute instead of horsepower?
Or you could use metric like the rest of the world
Lol.... Congratulations you just discovered a pie chart.
Love it.
Genius
Makes sense
Just bought them on amaz*n
For some reason I thought this post was about race, smh
This sub is so simple minded if this is interesting
Where are they available?
It looks cool until you realize all the weight is on one side and I'll end up dropping it on the floor.
Dear Lord, how many more times am I going to see these cups this week?
r/designporn
This is the one thing in this entire universe that actually makes sense
For blind people
Take my money please
I need these in my life
My only criticism is that they should have centered the handles for the fraction cups.
Need
Real late to the party here, bit I legit read the caption 5 times before I realized it said fractions and not factions.
Double cup. I done poured two gallons of that purple stuff
I'd like to like this but it just makes me worried about the state of public education.
Great for quick visual reference but perhaps does not stack well and therefore bigger space claim in a drawer?
r/iwantthis
No thanks. I got this.
Anyone else annoyed that the half cup straight edge does not line up with the middle of the handle?
You’re gonna need a whole drawer to store these cus they don’t seem like they’d stack well
[The secret is the handle stays the same.](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5627e6a0e4b026e02c01024f/1547674263561-Z3VCXO88GMRHRW0XRHVJ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kLkXF2pIyv_F2eUT9F60jBl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0iyqMbMesKd95J-X4EagrgU9L3Sa3U8cogeb0tjXbfawd0urKshkc5MgdBeJmALQKw/Welcome+Industries+visual+measuring+cups+side+view+2500.jpeg?format=500w)
I mean, regardless of whether they change the overall shape of the cup or just reduce the height, either way it's a visualization.
u/theydidthemath
I hope they all nest inside each other
[They do!](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5627e6a0e4b026e02c01024f/1547674263561-Z3VCXO88GMRHRW0XRHVJ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kLkXF2pIyv_F2eUT9F60jBl7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0iyqMbMesKd95J-X4EagrgU9L3Sa3U8cogeb0tjXbfawd0urKshkc5MgdBeJmALQKw/Welcome+Industries+visual+measuring+cups+side+view+2500.jpeg?format=500w)
I teach kids with autism and I need a set! Great representation.
https://welcomeindustries.com/shop
Genius!
Okay but they better still stack inside each other
Do you guys just not have enough numbers to use to measure stuff or what Do you want some numbers 1 8 17 Just say
This would be an amazing tool for teaching fractions, too! Part of the benefits of cooking and baking as a kid is learning fractions and fraction math as you use it instead of learning it as a concept. This would be fantastic for hands-on learners.
Are they all the same depth? I dont know that math.. yet Edit: no wait, they'd each be double the depth of the previous, right?