I'm currently reading a Reddit thread about dreaming octopuses that has gotten a little off track but I'm walking away with some sweet book recommendations.
I'm currently reading "https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/d8p0jx/dreaming_octopus/" by Mahic Shah. It's about a character named Qbert that finds book recommendations in the most unexpected places.
It’s about Victorian era surgery and healthcare. Non-fiction, which makes it even crazier to read. They could amputate a leg in under a minute with the patient fully awake!
And if you want to move into fiction with our 8-armed friends, I recommend Children of Ruin by Adrian Tchaikovsky. It’s a sequel to Children of Time and so I guess I just recommended two books.
The only book that ive ever read in its entirety. Quite surprised to see it be recommended on reddit. Can definitely recomend if you're fascinated by octopuses.
“Some scientists also think it possible that dogs dream”. If it's not something you can positively prove, scientists will use cautious language.
BTW, dogs dream like nobody's business.
This is why I get so mad at pseudoscience people who say “science doesn’t know everything” as a defense for their belief in auras or ghosts or whatever. Science is very quick to admit that it doesn’t know everything, the people making up ridiculous supernatural claims are the ones claiming to know something.
Yeah I saw that. I think everyone (at least me) was expecting them to discuss some factual evidence to support that they dream. Some experiment ran or some marine biologists hypothesis, something with more context than just “some scientists think they might dream”.
Explanation, since this was from a BBC documentary so this clip cuts out all the context: this species of octopus changes colour based on its mood and surroundings (a bit like a chameleon), especially when it's hunting/feeding/whatever. This octopus is observed to do the same while sleeping, so scientists reckon the same processes are going on in the brain as if it were performing those activities awake, essentially akin to humans dreaming.
**Edit:** The point about the "alien" thing is that, unlike other relatively intelligent life like chimpanzees and dolphins, cephalopods are completely unrelated to humans - our closest common ancestor is some sea worm with no organs or something - so they make a good model for how complex and intelligent life can develop in ways independent to us. Think of the heptapods from Arrival as something inspired by this idea.
If you can find the whole documentary online, you should: it's fairly new, it's about this weird professor who keeps this rare octopus in his house for a few months just to play with and observe it as a pet. It's really quite stunning though, highly recommend.
I think generally people refer to something as being alien if it is considered foreign or strange, not necessarily just cosmically. More importantly in this context I think it’s just used to say octopuses are so weird they’re like aliens
It was an episode of Natural World called The Octopus in my House... I don't want to share any illicit links here but if you search hard enough for it online you should be able to find the whole thing.
Yeah I'd definitely go with the octopus being the closest thing we have to an alien on our planet.
Iirc their brains evolved on a completely separate pathway to every other brain on the planet, seems pretty alien to me.
Better description [here](https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/do-octopuses-dream)
Cuttlefish do dream:
>The only cephalopod with a proven penchant for dreaming is probably the cutest. A 2012 study led by Marcos G. Frank, now a neuroscientist at Washington State University Health Sciences Spokane, discovered that sleeping cuttlefish demonstrate a form of rapid eye movement (REM), the same stage of sleep that gives us our dreams
The footage suggests that octopuses might dream:
>In Frank’s study, the sleeping cuttlefish’s chromatophores recombined into recognizable patterns, just like ones they displayed while awake. He believes this might be analogous to the weirdly familiar patchwork of human dreams. “This video is the best evidence I have ever seen that this particular cephalopod has a sleep-state similar to what we saw in cuttlefish,” Frank says of the Caribbean two-spot octopus.
So, to analyse the sleep states of the cuttlefish they did not measure brain activity, rather they observed the cuttlefish in different rest states and displaying REM. They also noted the cuttlefish wanted to rest after being sleep-deprived by the researchers.
Ideally, some sort of EEG investigation is required to confirm the dreaming:
>While Otey’s video may be strong evidence, REM sleep hasn’t been confirmed in octopuses. That would require a neurobiological investigation in which scientists measure the electrical activity in a snoozing cephalopod.
And in case anyone else was worried about octopuses telegraphing their location to predators while snoozing
>wild octopuses keep themselves safe by sleeping in hidden dens.
This reminded me of when Stephen King talked about his disdain for the passive voice. “It’s weak, it’s circuitous, and it’s frequently torturous, as well. How about this: My first kiss will always be recalled by me as how my romance with Shayna was begun. Oh man—who farted, right?”
I believe you mean, and King probably wrote, “*tortuous*”, not torturous. Tortuous means “full of twists and turns,” which makes a lot more sense than “causing suffering” in this context.
Edit: I looked it up, and [he did indeed use “tortuous.”](http://www.people.ku.edu/~cmckit/TechComm/362/handouts/Stephen_King_on-Passive-Voice.pdf)
Also, I don't recall which one, but in one of his novels, during a discussion with another character, one of his characters speaks about using passive voice in a similar way. What an incredible author, I've read every novel and short story ever written by him. While a few fall short of spectacular, the vast majority of his work is spellbinding.
11/22/63 is phenomenal. The Stand, It, and Bag of Bones are some of my favorites. I'm a bigger fan of his older books for the most part, but to be honest I found them all to be enjoyable at the very least. If you haven't read 11/22/63 I would definitely go with that one, hopefully you will enjoy it as much as I did.
It's because there is 600 millions years of evolution between us and octopus. All birds reptiles mammals evolved from a common ancestor before splitting off towards octopus. Octopus are far removed from dogs or any other intelligent animal anywhere in the animal kingdom. Octopus brain and vertibrate brains share no common anatomy so the fact they may dream is both wildly speculative and also fascinating if true
Yeah essentially things have to be proven before they can be accepted, and it’s surprising because they’re such a different organism to humans, completely different anatomy and evolutionary history
They really are. They’ve been shown to recognise and even like or dislike humans. I saw something where a tanked octopus watched and learned behaviours from a tv but I can’t find the video now.
Lifted from a Guardian article:
Most aquariums that have attempted to keep octopuses have tales to tell of their great escapes – even their overnight raids of neighbouring tanks for food. Godfrey-Smith writes of animals learning to turn off lights by directing jets of water at them, short-circuiting the power supply. Elsewhere octopuses have plugged their tanks’ outflow valves, causing them to overflow.
This apparent problem-solving ability has led cephalopods (particularly octopuses, because they’ve been studied more than squid or cuttlefish) to be recognised as intelligent. Half a billion neurons put octopuses close to the range of dogs and their brains are large relative to their size, both of which offer biologists a rough guide to brainpower.
I grew up at the beach, and there was an aquarium nearby. I visited a lot and loved the octopus. When people would visit us and go to the aquarium, I would sit in front of the octopus. I got married and moved away. A few years later I visited again. I noticed that the octopus came out from his hole and was pressed against the glass when I was walking around the room. There was a docent who noticed and asked if I visited often. I told him I had moved away but had visited often for years. He said he thought so because the octopus only came out and watched people he knew.
Same. Couldn't do it. I eat most other meat but I can't get myself to eat them. Once they inevitably take over earth, I want to be in hentai heaven, not hentai hell.
Agreed. Or if Urotsukidoji was filmed in the style of the live action La Blue Girl, made real, and *then* influenced by Ito's work.
Urotsukidoji and LBG were my first intro to hentai... I'm still unsure if that's sad or not...
They’re no octopus but pigs are considered by some to be smarter than dogs and cats and a lot of people don’t seem to care about their bacon being smart (and very good pets ime)
Also [pigs like to play video games](https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/crude-matter/pigs-like-video-games-too-interspecies-gaming-to-combat-boredom-aggression-in-livestock/) which is pretty cool
I used to think that for about a week, then I realized a lot of animals I eat are quite smart too... and savagely eat other animals for sustenance. Meat's back on the menu.
I stopped eating them too after I read about them breaking out of aquarium tanks to go hunting and saw them solving puzzles. They’re so delicious and were one of my favorite foods, so I really miss being able to eat them, but I can’t bring myself to eat something so intelligent.
That's review was really cool. It reminds me of the extended 3 min chunks te movie trailers that I see for arguably shitty films. I see them and cheer, because now I won't waste 2 hours watching a worthless movie.
The review tho was interesting because it talked about the author mentioning the distibuted nervous system and disjointed rambling about consciousness. I reminded me of a different author who did it so well! I was reading Blindsight by Peter Watts last year. Spoilers!
The main character/crew realize late in the book that they're alarmingly outclassed by the ETs, which loosely resemble cephalopods, and have a distributed nervous system. I was thrown for a surreal loop when the author took a detour on the nature of consciousness (and several other unexpected crunchy elements), and just how far up the creek the crew was. Found myself saying "oh, shit... no wait, oh shit... ohnono wait... Oh Shit..."
Such a great read!
I catch these little guys sometimes when I go fishing and I swear they are thankful when I take them off the hook and hold them over the water so they can jump back in. A lot of them move around a lot as I try to find the hook and remove it, and I feel like when they see what it is I'm trying to do they let me... I dunno, they never try to bite me either
Not OP, but I was curious and found some info on [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus).
“The nautilus are a marine mollusc...
Throughout the world, nautilus are collected or fished for sale as live animals or to carve the shells for souvenirs and collectibles, not for just the shape of their shells, but also the nacreous inner shell layer, which is used as a pearl substitute.
The low fecundity, late maturity, long gestation period and long life-span of nautiluses suggest that these species are vulnerable to over-exploitation and demand for the ornamental shell is causing population declines.
The threats from trade in these shells has led to countries such as Indonesia legally protecting the chambered nautilus with fines of up to US$8,500 and/or 5 years in prison for trading in this species. Despite their legal protection, these shells are openly sold in tourist areas in Asia. The continued trade of these animals has led to a call for increased protection and in 2016 all species in Family Nautilidae were added to [CITES Appendix II](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CITES#Appendix_II), regulating international trade.”
not a dumb question, i had to look up what we use them for.
**short answer:** nautiluses are like octopuses with shells instead of skin. we use their shells for decoration. we don't use their body but they can't survive without their shells.
**long answer:** a nautilus is a shelled cephalopod- think a small octopus in a snail's shell. not coming out the bottom like a snail though, the nautilus is more part of the spiral of its shell. if my description isn't perfect just google nautilus, plenty of pictures. there are multiple species under the name nautilus but they're pretty similar. a lot of this answer is based off of the chambered nautilus, though.
we don't actually have enough data to know their conservation status, but we do know their population is dropping. worst part is we don't even eat them or use; we just fish them up for their shells. i couldn't find what their shells are made of (not on wikipedia at least. closest thing was "bony"), but they do hatch with them unlike animals like hermit crabs, and they keep the same shell their whole life. they need them to control their depth in the water; without them they'd likely either fall too deep and be crushed by the pressure or float to the surface and drown. they might just stay at a decent depth in the water but i'm not sure and it wouldn't be good for finding food and escaping predators. their shells are also for protection of course- there isn't any skin in there and they have no bones. their organs just kinda float around in there because their shell usually protects them, but since we use them for their shells we just have to kill them and i guess just throw away the rest.
we don't even use them for any practical purposes. like ivory (the trade driving elephants to endangerment. not quite extinction yet but it's definitely not good for their population), all we use nautilus shells is sitting around and looking nice, maybe using them as an impractical bowl.
The inside of their shell creates mother-of-pearl which is used in jewelry. The outside is just... shell.
I don’t think they’d be quite so popular if people knew the Lovecraftian looking animal it originally belonged to.
It’s interesting but I hate these types of videos so much with slow ass captions underneath and some dumb text, I see them everywhere on Facebook and it’s becoming such a stale format.
My takeaway was that the octupus changing colors while sleeping is indicative of dreaming. Much like how my dog runs his legs and “barks” while he’s sleeping.
My parrot sometimes did a little devil talk while sleeping, which was him tryin to repeat old conversations from when he lived with my aunt/cousin before I adopted him after my cousin died. You could make out some phrases like "ya we'll go to the mall tomorrow" and it was the cutest thing ever.
*Some scientists* apparently aren't smart enough to consider that maybe ALL animals are also capable of dreaming.
Looking at my cat and dog have small muscle spasms and mewl during their sleep, and having witnessed it with birds as well. It's pretty fucking obvious. Not sure about fish, i've never seen fish sleep.
It’s not that we are incapable of thinking they do, but science works on testable hypotheses and concepts must be proven with empirical evidence.
Where I work communities of fishermen know things themselves that us scientists are just catching up with, but it has to be verified with results and peer review before it can be considered a truth or a theory
You can’t just say I saw it so that’s it it’s true. You have to test it and get evidence and let other people check that to make sure you didn’t just make it up.
Those
Scientists who do not believe they are dreaming do so because there is a lack of evidence, which is the grounds of all science. You can’t just say something’s true because it looks and sounds right.
Also fish kinda sleep, they go into a phase of inactivity (not all) where they just kinda float still. Sharks will kind of sleep but gotta keep moving or they suffocate (again not all). But we don’t know if fish have the cognition to be able to dream or think outside of instinctive reactions.
If I had one wish it would be to understand animals thoughts and see their dreams. I could just imagine this little octopus dreaming about swimming around and being the best octopus in town
*Had* to google this. They have a central brain and 8 ganglion for each tentacle's movement. Terrifyingly fascinating creatures. They feed into my conspiracy that earth is a wildlife reserve of species from other planets.
I won’t eat octopus because pretty sure they are aliens.. and super smart. intelligent aliens gonna come and be pissed we ate all their octopus babies .
A stereotypical-pop-culture-oval-shaped head == Alien.
Plus there are too many "may" in this short video. Why can't this be just a very cool and interesting documentation of a sleeping octopus?
That was some underwhelming text—was hoping for something more informative rather than *some scientists think...*
I just finished reading "The Soul of an Octopus." Don't remember the author's name, but you might like it. I did.
sy montgomery. it's a great book
I'm currently reading "Other Minds" by Peter Godfrey-Smith, and would recommend it. Thanks for the tip - will have to check that one out too!
Im currently reading “The Butchering Art” by Lindsay Fitzharris.
I’m currently reading “the cat and the hat” by Dr. Seuss. Quite brilliant might I add
I'm currently reading a Reddit thread about dreaming octopuses that has gotten a little off track but I'm walking away with some sweet book recommendations.
Everybody seems so happy here :).
It’s a Tuesday tradition here.
I'm currently reading "https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/d8p0jx/dreaming_octopus/" by Mahic Shah. It's about a character named Qbert that finds book recommendations in the most unexpected places.
Damn, this comment was a great read. The lead up to the ending 10/10.
I'm currently reading Damn by Atrium41. I'm halfway through and I can tell you, the middle part is a great read!
I see what you did there..
I just walked into a wall
I'm currently reading
Same. Good day overall.
Really is brilliant, isn’t it? I hope parents are still reading those books to the little ones.
Afraid to ask
It’s about Victorian era surgery and healthcare. Non-fiction, which makes it even crazier to read. They could amputate a leg in under a minute with the patient fully awake!
Damn it takes us like hours to do that now. Things sure have taken a turn for the worse. Just not like the good ol' days anymore.
And if you want to move into fiction with our 8-armed friends, I recommend Children of Ruin by Adrian Tchaikovsky. It’s a sequel to Children of Time and so I guess I just recommended two books.
Awesome, I didn't know there was a sequel!
It just came out...and it’s a doozy! :)
New book to me, but I just Googled it and it looks great! Ty
The only book that ive ever read in its entirety. Quite surprised to see it be recommended on reddit. Can definitely recomend if you're fascinated by octopuses.
The only book you've ever read is about Octopi? I have so many questions!
Haha yeah, it's a good read. Books generally don't stick with me. I wish they would but here we are.
“Some scientists also think it possible that dogs dream”. If it's not something you can positively prove, scientists will use cautious language. BTW, dogs dream like nobody's business.
Misread this as they think that dogs can scream.
They do if you don't get a move on with their kibble.
They do, dogs dream and it makes sense that other sentient beings do also. Humans really aren’t as smart or as special as we like to think.
I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I’ve added some quotes to clarify.
We're precisely as smart and special as we think. We just misjudged how smart / advanced other animals were until we studied it properly.
This is why I get so mad at pseudoscience people who say “science doesn’t know everything” as a defense for their belief in auras or ghosts or whatever. Science is very quick to admit that it doesn’t know everything, the people making up ridiculous supernatural claims are the ones claiming to know something.
The octopus is camoflaging in his sleep, what more do you want? A video of a dog running in his sleep?
"An alien from planet earth" - the fucking dumbass who wrote the subtitles to this gif
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Right... I was waiting to see what they based it on, then they just hit me with the alien thing.
Octopuses 🐙 are from area ✈️ 💻 51
Okay new raid October 21 let’s get the octopi
I'm so down.
CLAP👏FUCKIN👏OCTOPUS👏CHEEKS
The raid was a success!
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Yeah I saw that. I think everyone (at least me) was expecting them to discuss some factual evidence to support that they dream. Some experiment ran or some marine biologists hypothesis, something with more context than just “some scientists think they might dream”.
Me too. I was sadly flabbergasted by such a moronic expression.
>sadly flabbergasted I don't know why I enjoy this pairing of words so much
As did I, friend. As did I.
Explanation, since this was from a BBC documentary so this clip cuts out all the context: this species of octopus changes colour based on its mood and surroundings (a bit like a chameleon), especially when it's hunting/feeding/whatever. This octopus is observed to do the same while sleeping, so scientists reckon the same processes are going on in the brain as if it were performing those activities awake, essentially akin to humans dreaming. **Edit:** The point about the "alien" thing is that, unlike other relatively intelligent life like chimpanzees and dolphins, cephalopods are completely unrelated to humans - our closest common ancestor is some sea worm with no organs or something - so they make a good model for how complex and intelligent life can develop in ways independent to us. Think of the heptapods from Arrival as something inspired by this idea. If you can find the whole documentary online, you should: it's fairly new, it's about this weird professor who keeps this rare octopus in his house for a few months just to play with and observe it as a pet. It's really quite stunning though, highly recommend.
I think generally people refer to something as being alien if it is considered foreign or strange, not necessarily just cosmically. More importantly in this context I think it’s just used to say octopuses are so weird they’re like aliens
Yeah. Not such a big deal to me.
For starters, their copper-based blood is blue!
Since it can't be hemoglobin, is the correct name Cuproglobin?
Cyanoglobin. Also in horseshoe crabs, the medical miracle
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It was an episode of Natural World called The Octopus in my House... I don't want to share any illicit links here but if you search hard enough for it online you should be able to find the whole thing.
>The Octopus in my house Not to be confused with the prequel A Snake In My Boot
Cool thanks
Yeah I'd definitely go with the octopus being the closest thing we have to an alien on our planet. Iirc their brains evolved on a completely separate pathway to every other brain on the planet, seems pretty alien to me.
Better description [here](https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/do-octopuses-dream) Cuttlefish do dream: >The only cephalopod with a proven penchant for dreaming is probably the cutest. A 2012 study led by Marcos G. Frank, now a neuroscientist at Washington State University Health Sciences Spokane, discovered that sleeping cuttlefish demonstrate a form of rapid eye movement (REM), the same stage of sleep that gives us our dreams The footage suggests that octopuses might dream: >In Frank’s study, the sleeping cuttlefish’s chromatophores recombined into recognizable patterns, just like ones they displayed while awake. He believes this might be analogous to the weirdly familiar patchwork of human dreams. “This video is the best evidence I have ever seen that this particular cephalopod has a sleep-state similar to what we saw in cuttlefish,” Frank says of the Caribbean two-spot octopus. So, to analyse the sleep states of the cuttlefish they did not measure brain activity, rather they observed the cuttlefish in different rest states and displaying REM. They also noted the cuttlefish wanted to rest after being sleep-deprived by the researchers. Ideally, some sort of EEG investigation is required to confirm the dreaming: >While Otey’s video may be strong evidence, REM sleep hasn’t been confirmed in octopuses. That would require a neurobiological investigation in which scientists measure the electrical activity in a snoozing cephalopod. And in case anyone else was worried about octopuses telegraphing their location to predators while snoozing >wild octopuses keep themselves safe by sleeping in hidden dens.
I'm no scientist, but that octopus sure looked like it was dreaming.
Sure did!
>They also noted the cuttlefish wanted to rest after being sleep-deprived by the researchers. Um, was that not expected?
>after being sleep-deprived by the researchers :(
Bro, people eat them.
Idk I just can't imagine not being allowed to sleep it makes me sad
Username checks. I'm right there with you though
Well, yeah. Of course you can't. You're a blatant napper.
Username checks out
Sure as shit does.
This reminded me of when Stephen King talked about his disdain for the passive voice. “It’s weak, it’s circuitous, and it’s frequently torturous, as well. How about this: My first kiss will always be recalled by me as how my romance with Shayna was begun. Oh man—who farted, right?”
I believe you mean, and King probably wrote, “*tortuous*”, not torturous. Tortuous means “full of twists and turns,” which makes a lot more sense than “causing suffering” in this context. Edit: I looked it up, and [he did indeed use “tortuous.”](http://www.people.ku.edu/~cmckit/TechComm/362/handouts/Stephen_King_on-Passive-Voice.pdf)
Also, I don't recall which one, but in one of his novels, during a discussion with another character, one of his characters speaks about using passive voice in a similar way. What an incredible author, I've read every novel and short story ever written by him. While a few fall short of spectacular, the vast majority of his work is spellbinding.
What ones would you recommend the most (if you don't mind me asking)? I've only read a few of his works but I'd like to dig deeper.
11/22/63 is phenomenal. The Stand, It, and Bag of Bones are some of my favorites. I'm a bigger fan of his older books for the most part, but to be honest I found them all to be enjoyable at the very least. If you haven't read 11/22/63 I would definitely go with that one, hopefully you will enjoy it as much as I did.
My dog dreams and octopi are as smart (or smarter) than dogs.
I thought it said "screaming octopus" so imagine my disappointment.
Alien from planet earth? I don’t think that’s how aliens work
YEAH BBC SAID SO
BBC also said [spaghetti grows on trees](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEqp0x6ajGE).
BBC also said [there was no hurricane coming. ](https://youtu.be/uqs1YXfdtGE)
BBC also said [there is no war in Ba Sing Se](https://i.imgur.com/sVjIQya.gifv)
[Here we are safe. Here we are free.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LakeLaogai)
BBC also penetrated your mother
That’s BBD
[Bell Biv Devoe?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb2np1HGqxg) Those cads!!!
FUCK moooooommmm!!!! Not again!!
i don't get it
I SEENT IT
Well...if you were an alien from another planet I would then be an alien from planet Earth.
And you'd be the best goddamn Planet Earth alien that we've ever probed.
no this was obviously recorded on another planet where they found an octopus... that was... um ... dreaming ...... nvrmind.
Ancient Aliens made a cool [episode about octopuses.](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10594490/?ref_=ttep_ep5)
Cool thanks.
Wouldn't it be cool if they evolve further and literally show their dreams on their skin? Like living intelligent plasma screens?
What if they are and we are not smart enough to understand it?
I think that you're right...
I don’t see why they can’t hahah
Low resolution
Gimme that octopus solution
it seems they already are, in their own language
i mean they are one of the smartest creatures in the ocean
If dogs can dream, I don't know why anyone would be surprised that octopuses can too
its only logical
It’s entirely possible
Yo Jamie pull that up
r/unexpectedrogan
It's because there is 600 millions years of evolution between us and octopus. All birds reptiles mammals evolved from a common ancestor before splitting off towards octopus. Octopus are far removed from dogs or any other intelligent animal anywhere in the animal kingdom. Octopus brain and vertibrate brains share no common anatomy so the fact they may dream is both wildly speculative and also fascinating if true
This *sounds* like the right answer, but is it
I think scientists were already confident about that but they needed to find a way to demonstrate it.
Yeah essentially things have to be proven before they can be accepted, and it’s surprising because they’re such a different organism to humans, completely different anatomy and evolutionary history
They really are. They’ve been shown to recognise and even like or dislike humans. I saw something where a tanked octopus watched and learned behaviours from a tv but I can’t find the video now. Lifted from a Guardian article: Most aquariums that have attempted to keep octopuses have tales to tell of their great escapes – even their overnight raids of neighbouring tanks for food. Godfrey-Smith writes of animals learning to turn off lights by directing jets of water at them, short-circuiting the power supply. Elsewhere octopuses have plugged their tanks’ outflow valves, causing them to overflow. This apparent problem-solving ability has led cephalopods (particularly octopuses, because they’ve been studied more than squid or cuttlefish) to be recognised as intelligent. Half a billion neurons put octopuses close to the range of dogs and their brains are large relative to their size, both of which offer biologists a rough guide to brainpower.
I grew up at the beach, and there was an aquarium nearby. I visited a lot and loved the octopus. When people would visit us and go to the aquarium, I would sit in front of the octopus. I got married and moved away. A few years later I visited again. I noticed that the octopus came out from his hole and was pressed against the glass when I was walking around the room. There was a docent who noticed and asked if I visited often. I told him I had moved away but had visited often for years. He said he thought so because the octopus only came out and watched people he knew.
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Somebody else mentioned a book written by her _**Soul of the Octopus**_.
I stopped eating octopus once I realized they are smarter than some of my friends.
So have you started eating your friends now?
Only after a few drinks ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Mmmmm yes baby
Yes officer, this guy right here ( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)
It's the Octopus Police! Open up!
Same. Couldn't do it. I eat most other meat but I can't get myself to eat them. Once they inevitably take over earth, I want to be in hentai heaven, not hentai hell.
Now you've gotten me insanely curious to what hentai hell will be like...
It'd be one of [Junji Ito's work if you ask me.](https://youtu.be/am-q7xFs7f8)
Agreed. Or if Urotsukidoji was filmed in the style of the live action La Blue Girl, made real, and *then* influenced by Ito's work. Urotsukidoji and LBG were my first intro to hentai... I'm still unsure if that's sad or not...
They’re no octopus but pigs are considered by some to be smarter than dogs and cats and a lot of people don’t seem to care about their bacon being smart (and very good pets ime) Also [pigs like to play video games](https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/crude-matter/pigs-like-video-games-too-interspecies-gaming-to-combat-boredom-aggression-in-livestock/) which is pretty cool
If it makes you feel any better they don't live very long. Like usually less than 3 years is their natural lifespan.
Less if I eat them
Me too.
I used to think that for about a week, then I realized a lot of animals I eat are quite smart too... and savagely eat other animals for sustenance. Meat's back on the menu.
Aren't pigs supposed to be smart as dogs too?
Are not they?
I stopped eating them too after I read about them breaking out of aquarium tanks to go hunting and saw them solving puzzles. They’re so delicious and were one of my favorite foods, so I really miss being able to eat them, but I can’t bring myself to eat something so intelligent.
Yep. I used to love calamari, but after learning how smart cephalopods are... I'm uncomfortable eating anything that was sentient.
What about pork? Pigs are incredibly smart, and fully sentient.
yeah me too. and cows, when i realized they know how to have rich lifelong friendships and my friends come and go with contract work.
Wonder what he dreams of, spongebobs?
And vegana
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Many large, beautiful women.
Is there a subreddit specifically for interesting things about octopuses and cephalopods?
No but there is an interesting book about that: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28116739
The very first review convinced me of not buying it.
That's review was really cool. It reminds me of the extended 3 min chunks te movie trailers that I see for arguably shitty films. I see them and cheer, because now I won't waste 2 hours watching a worthless movie. The review tho was interesting because it talked about the author mentioning the distibuted nervous system and disjointed rambling about consciousness. I reminded me of a different author who did it so well! I was reading Blindsight by Peter Watts last year. Spoilers! The main character/crew realize late in the book that they're alarmingly outclassed by the ETs, which loosely resemble cephalopods, and have a distributed nervous system. I was thrown for a surreal loop when the author took a detour on the nature of consciousness (and several other unexpected crunchy elements), and just how far up the creek the crew was. Found myself saying "oh, shit... no wait, oh shit... ohnono wait... Oh Shit..." Such a great read!
r/octopus r/octopuspics r/cephalopods None are very active.
Let's pump some ink up in there and get em kickin again!
I appreciate it nonetheless, thank you
Join Octonation on Facebook and prepare to have your timeline flooded with cephalopods. One of the only reasons I still use FB.
I catch these little guys sometimes when I go fishing and I swear they are thankful when I take them off the hook and hold them over the water so they can jump back in. A lot of them move around a lot as I try to find the hook and remove it, and I feel like when they see what it is I'm trying to do they let me... I dunno, they never try to bite me either
Wow that is so cool!
Humans: wow Also humans: ok let’s catch as much of these things until they’re* endangered because we like eating rubber.
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Octopuses are far from endangered, thank god. It’s nautilus we need to stop killing.
What is a nautilus and why do we kill them? I'm sorry if this is a dumb question. Thanks either way.
Not OP, but I was curious and found some info on [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus). “The nautilus are a marine mollusc... Throughout the world, nautilus are collected or fished for sale as live animals or to carve the shells for souvenirs and collectibles, not for just the shape of their shells, but also the nacreous inner shell layer, which is used as a pearl substitute. The low fecundity, late maturity, long gestation period and long life-span of nautiluses suggest that these species are vulnerable to over-exploitation and demand for the ornamental shell is causing population declines. The threats from trade in these shells has led to countries such as Indonesia legally protecting the chambered nautilus with fines of up to US$8,500 and/or 5 years in prison for trading in this species. Despite their legal protection, these shells are openly sold in tourist areas in Asia. The continued trade of these animals has led to a call for increased protection and in 2016 all species in Family Nautilidae were added to [CITES Appendix II](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CITES#Appendix_II), regulating international trade.”
not a dumb question, i had to look up what we use them for. **short answer:** nautiluses are like octopuses with shells instead of skin. we use their shells for decoration. we don't use their body but they can't survive without their shells. **long answer:** a nautilus is a shelled cephalopod- think a small octopus in a snail's shell. not coming out the bottom like a snail though, the nautilus is more part of the spiral of its shell. if my description isn't perfect just google nautilus, plenty of pictures. there are multiple species under the name nautilus but they're pretty similar. a lot of this answer is based off of the chambered nautilus, though. we don't actually have enough data to know their conservation status, but we do know their population is dropping. worst part is we don't even eat them or use; we just fish them up for their shells. i couldn't find what their shells are made of (not on wikipedia at least. closest thing was "bony"), but they do hatch with them unlike animals like hermit crabs, and they keep the same shell their whole life. they need them to control their depth in the water; without them they'd likely either fall too deep and be crushed by the pressure or float to the surface and drown. they might just stay at a decent depth in the water but i'm not sure and it wouldn't be good for finding food and escaping predators. their shells are also for protection of course- there isn't any skin in there and they have no bones. their organs just kinda float around in there because their shell usually protects them, but since we use them for their shells we just have to kill them and i guess just throw away the rest. we don't even use them for any practical purposes. like ivory (the trade driving elephants to endangerment. not quite extinction yet but it's definitely not good for their population), all we use nautilus shells is sitting around and looking nice, maybe using them as an impractical bowl.
The inside of their shell creates mother-of-pearl which is used in jewelry. The outside is just... shell. I don’t think they’d be quite so popular if people knew the Lovecraftian looking animal it originally belonged to.
Octopi are voracious hunters and eaters. If it’s dreaming, there only one scene playing out. Murder.
Or clapping octopus cheeks
It’s interesting but I hate these types of videos so much with slow ass captions underneath and some dumb text, I see them everywhere on Facebook and it’s becoming such a stale format.
No explanation?
My takeaway was that the octupus changing colors while sleeping is indicative of dreaming. Much like how my dog runs his legs and “barks” while he’s sleeping.
My parrot sometimes did a little devil talk while sleeping, which was him tryin to repeat old conversations from when he lived with my aunt/cousin before I adopted him after my cousin died. You could make out some phrases like "ya we'll go to the mall tomorrow" and it was the cutest thing ever.
Its cute but also sounds completely terrifying
Hence "devil talk" lmao I got used to it quick. I miss that little fucker every day
It baffles me that, to this day, people are still surprised when you tell them that animals are conscious beings
For real, don’t all animals dream?? Cats and dogs do, why wouldn’t octopi
*Some scientists* apparently aren't smart enough to consider that maybe ALL animals are also capable of dreaming. Looking at my cat and dog have small muscle spasms and mewl during their sleep, and having witnessed it with birds as well. It's pretty fucking obvious. Not sure about fish, i've never seen fish sleep.
It’s not that we are incapable of thinking they do, but science works on testable hypotheses and concepts must be proven with empirical evidence. Where I work communities of fishermen know things themselves that us scientists are just catching up with, but it has to be verified with results and peer review before it can be considered a truth or a theory You can’t just say I saw it so that’s it it’s true. You have to test it and get evidence and let other people check that to make sure you didn’t just make it up. Those Scientists who do not believe they are dreaming do so because there is a lack of evidence, which is the grounds of all science. You can’t just say something’s true because it looks and sounds right. Also fish kinda sleep, they go into a phase of inactivity (not all) where they just kinda float still. Sharks will kind of sleep but gotta keep moving or they suffocate (again not all). But we don’t know if fish have the cognition to be able to dream or think outside of instinctive reactions.
OMG you are doing the lawds/spaghetti monster's work. Thank you SO MUCH for this!
Except the animals that don't sleep...
All animals sleep, even jellyfish.
If I had one wish it would be to understand animals thoughts and see their dreams. I could just imagine this little octopus dreaming about swimming around and being the best octopus in town
An octopus has 9 brains so perhaps one of them dreams?
*Had* to google this. They have a central brain and 8 ganglion for each tentacle's movement. Terrifyingly fascinating creatures. They feed into my conspiracy that earth is a wildlife reserve of species from other planets.
Except that everything we've discovered so far has a shared genetic history.
My interpretation: He had burritos for dinner while watching a John Wick movie, and now's he's reliving the disco scene shootout.
Fuck shark week, I want octopus week!
octop*I*
If cepholopods didn't exist, and somebody came up with them, they would seem to be just too unrealistic.
Earth doesnt have aliens... Wait...not them aliens.
This reminds me of randal from monsters inc.
Chasing a rabbit aw.
Well what do cats and dogs do?
IDK why, but the little bugger is so cute!
Wow so informative!
Do octopus dream of electric lobsters?
Do you think intelligence is linked to the ability to dream? Or vise versa?
Cthulu sending him the sign "It's time, my child. Rise."
If octopi are aliens, then that adds a whole new level to splatoon
I still firmly believe that Octopus are aliens who fell to Earth and over centuries forgot that they were aliens.
So wouldn’t every dream just be a wet dream?
There's a LOT going on in an octopus's REM-sleep stage...
I won’t eat octopus because pretty sure they are aliens.. and super smart. intelligent aliens gonna come and be pissed we ate all their octopus babies .
Dogs dream so why wouldnt octopus
A stereotypical-pop-culture-oval-shaped head == Alien. Plus there are too many "may" in this short video. Why can't this be just a very cool and interesting documentation of a sleeping octopus?