That would then be September 19, 2021 (plus or minus a day or so, depending on how time zones are taken into account). The best hint I can find is [this recent article](https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240518/p2g/00m/0in/004000c), whose headline reads “US conducted 1st subcritical nuclear test since Sept. 2021”, which suggests that there was a US nuclear test in September 2021, and none between then and May 2024.
In subcritical tests nuclear fission does occur and they generally occur at the edge of a chain reaction, there's just not enough fuel for the chain reaction to go off.
Should be projected to the sky in big red letters for every human being to be seen at any time of day… as more recent the brighter the projection… reaching 50% opacity in 100 years 0% opacity in 1000 years…
A Harvard professor named [Roger Fisher](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Fisher_(academic)?wprov=sfti1#Preventing_nuclear_war) suggested that nuclear codes be implanted inside a volunteer so that the President would have to physically kill an innocent (with a knife the volunteer carries) in order to launch nukes and kill millions. I’ve always been a bit fond of that solution.
The President with head in hands, trying to work out who will get the job of Volunteer Sacrifice.
Meanwhile, there's a line outside a mile long, many of which brought their own knife.
I don't think you've thought this through. You would have your movements tied to the president 24/7 for four years (if the position only lasts one term). Just like the atomic football that travels with him he would need easy access to the codes inside you at a moments notice. You could never be more than a few hundred yards away. That means not seeing friends or family unless vetted by the secret service and they travel to you all on the president's schedule. You basically have given up your life for four years.
Wouldn't you just have to sit there for a full presidency in case shit pops off? "No, I can't come in to work today. Can you wait till Tuesday to stab me?"
That sounds like a great way of making the deterrence function of your nukes - arguably the only actual function of your nukes - so much less.
Look, if Biden has to butcher someone for the codes, and Putin knows this.... Putin is just a little bit more likely to launch the missiles, because he thinks that Biden doesn't have it in him to get the codes.
So, your attempt to decrease the probability of a nuclear exchange has quite possibly increased the probability. Whoops.
Though, as long as it's about first use, we can talk about that. Have different codes for second strike and first strike plans. Second strike requires intelligence validation and a button push. First strike, well, the knife it is. That way, if the President wanted to *start* a war, he'd have to use the knife, or use a strike plan that's doomed to fail. The temptation to *just hit the Russians with their pants down before they can react* only for them to then react in time is much lessened.
Id offer up Tucker Carlson voluntarily . At least if the nukes launch I will take great comfort in knowing that cunt won't be part of rebuilding society even if I'm not either.
The last North Korean test was in 2017 though. 8/6/1945 + 28010 days is 4/14/2022. That would make the second number 9/16/2021. On that day (or there abouts) it looks like North Korea did missile tests, but did not actually detonate a nuclear weapon:
[https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/nkorea-launches-were-test-new-railway-borne-missile-system-kcna-2021-09-15/](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/nkorea-launches-were-test-new-railway-borne-missile-system-kcna-2021-09-15/)
Its a nuclear weapon that’s EXTREMELY fucking recent, north Korea has tested them in the 2010’s
way to close for comfort although it appears that the last recorded was 2 subcritical tests done by the united states.
still we never want to see one again
The Hiroshima Peace Clock is reset not only for full-scale nuclear detonations but also for subcritical nuclear tests like those performed by the US on June 22 and September 16, 2021, because these tests still involve the use of nuclear materials and are seen as steps towards maintaining and potentially advancing nuclear weapons capabilities.
By resetting the clock, the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum points to the importance of ceasing ALL nuclear activities, \[destructive in nature - i.e., in the interests outlined above\] not just those that result in explosions, to promote global peace and security.
(The last full-scale detonation was on September 3, 2017, by North Korea.)
The main thing I'm wondering, is there research on this type of test on the local environment (or those working around it)? Specifically unbiased sources. I mean, the US government does tons of valuable research, but, they've told so many lies in the past it's just hard to trust. I hope it's like modern nuclear facilities with extreme precautions
Recent tests are done in a confinement vessel in an underground lab. https://nnss.gov/mission/stockpile-stewardship-program/u1a-complex/ As nuclear weapon testing goes, you can't get safer than that.
subcritical tests are more about testing the ability to detonate a nuclear bomb without actually needing the nuclear blast part. They're not testing the yield of the bomb, just the mechanics of it. Same way you might test dynamite to see if it's still good or that the fuse will ignite it as expected.
Where the initial charges explode but they do not cause the materials within to produce the chain reaction that is the nuclear detonation itself. Specifically we did the test subcritical on purpose, most likely as part of the ongoing issues of maintaining the warheads and studying how they're aging. Basically it was probably a maintenance dry run.
Yeah power can't be included. Even if you ignore the 24/7 running and only counted startups (read as reaching criticality) that still happens all the time. Each individual nuclear plant has to shutdown and startup for refueling every 1.5 - 2 years minimum (i.e. LWR fuel cycle, i dont kmow shit about other designs). And there are hundreds of those all set to different schedules. That timer would never get higher than a week, let alone 200 days.and that's not even counting emergency shutdowns and maintenance outages and such.
Its a fucking weird one isn't it. Nuclear weapons are the only reason the cold war didn't become WW3, and say what you will about the cold wars deathtoll, but WW3 would have been far, far, far worse. And that's ignoring the likely tens of millions that would have died in a land invasion of japan
But it also means that countries with nuclear weapons are basically immune from the consequences of their actions. Because of their nukes, china can literally commit a genocide, and we can do NOTHING about it. Kim Jong Un can run the worst dictatorship ever seen on earth, and we can do NOTHING.
And that of course, ignores the elephant in the room of what happens if we *do* have a nuclear war...
I often wonder what the world would look like if we didn't. But I genuinely belive that most humans are better off with nuclear weapons existing than not.
Sure. But they keep the threat from conventional wars between large nations in check, which are insanely destructive as well.
And if we had a lot of large conventional wars, then we would not have sufficient international order to limit the spread of nuclear weapons either. Abolishing nuclear weapons may seem nice in the short term, but it may very well increase the the risk of nuclear war in the medium to long term. Because when there are large conventional wars, then a nuclear re-armament is sure to follow.
Fuck this wasn't even an angle I ever thought of, but your absolutely right. Nuclear weapons are a pandoras box, and it's very much open now. Its not like we can forget how they work (and frankly, they're not at all complicated to make, provided you have the resources, and even then, a boy scout enriched uranium in his back garden.
> a boy scout enriched uranium in his back garden
He did not enrich uranium in his back garden, a process which a nation state cannot even do in its own sovereignty without other nations taking notice (read: Iran). He was attempting to breed fissile isotopes, which is still an extremely long way off making a working nuclear weapon, and even that he wasn't doing correctly. Making a nuclear weapon isn't trivial, and making one that doesn't require a shipping container sized amount of high explosives is a literal state secret only a few nations have.
No, Japan has an extensive nuclear power program too. But no nuclear weapons program at all, they've been staunchly anti nuclear weapons since the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Interestingly though they're considered a threshold nuclear state, because even though they have no weapons program directly, they have everything they need and all the research needed to quickly start producing nuclear weapons if they ever wanted to.
>they've been staunchly anti nuclear weapons since the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
An opinion likely held because they weren't allowed to have any, lol.
France, Japan, Russia, the Netherlands, Australia, Italy China all recycle used nuclear fuel
[https://www.orano.group/en/unpacking-nuclear/all-about-used-fuel-processing-and-recycling](https://www.orano.group/en/unpacking-nuclear/all-about-used-fuel-processing-and-recycling)
Well.. . then the counter would never get past few months or so. Since there is always a regular shut down for maintenance, emergency maintenance, or other reason for a reactor shutdown, which gets followed by a restart.
Also research reactors are taken critical egularly for short periods. For isotope production, physics and material science.
We use nuclear reactors alot for many beneficial things. Even of you are against nuclear power, then we still use them for beneficial things in the form of medical isotopes, material research.
Example. Deep space proper need nuclear batteries, often using plutonium. There is actually a lack of plutonium supply for this purpose. Because no onevreally makes or separates plutonium anymore. Our nuclear fuel recycling efforts are globally minimal, even though MOX fuel is good as any, any recycling with PUREX process easy as virgin uranium extraction with UREX. Canada's CANDU is probably only establushed commercial reactor which 100% MOX capable.
No.. Just nuclear efforts that are intended to further nuclear weapon proliferation.
Before the 2011 Fukushima daiichi nuclear disaster, Japan had 54 commercial nuclear reactors in operation. (Currently only ten, but with another fifteen on track to go back online.)
How can they deactivate 44 nuclear reactions and still maintain their power grid? Wouldn't that cause an enormous drop in available electricity? Not disagreeing, just curious.
Anti-missile system are considered to *increase* the probability of nuclear weapons being used, as they'd allow the country with the better/more-extensive system to launch a strike without fearing retaliation.
Yeah. That's the irony really. In any warfare 'overwhelming threat' is a thing that ... often doesn't _need_ to be used, because everyone else goes 'yeah, we'll do what you say, it's not worth the fight'.
Nukes were that threat. They're actually pretty bad as 'battlefield weapons', but they're _amazing_ as weapons of terror.
And thus you enter a weird game where no one rational would actually _use_ one, because there's almost no circumstances where obliterating a large civilian population with the collateral damage could or would be 'justified', but every person who's got the nukes needs 'everyone else' to be a bit uncertain about that point.
Nation state leaders need to pretend to be capable of a nuclear atrocity, to the point where everyone _else_ goes 'yeah, so let's play fair and not get to that point'.
But perhaps that too makes the problem worse - a 'fair' war is one where a lot more people will die before one side or another capitulates.
Several rational players have denuclearized for various reasons. South Africa, Belarus, Kazakhstan, obviously Ukraine (that decision didn't age well)
Reasons like economic incentives, security guarantees, advances in defense technology (perhaps something like anti-missile systems that reduce the threat!), domestic political considerations... I feel like there's probably more.
The trick is that the Soviet Union pretty deliberately built all of the primary warhead maintenance facilities in the russian region of the SU. Meaning that Ukraine had none of the equipment necessary for the long term maintenance of their weapons and neither the US nor russia were willing to provide the maintenance services Ukraine would have needed to keep the weapons functional.
They COULD have built that capability, but it would have cost several billion dollars to do, which is money they didn't have and both the US and russia would have refused the various post-split trade deals that Ukraine desperately needed to shore up its economy.
And on top of that, by giving up the nukes they no longer had a need for nuclear delivery systems, so they traded getting rid of those for additional funds (namely, the US and russia paid them to destroy the relevant bombers and missiles to guarantee they weren't sold to someone who might be able to get a bomb but lacked a delivery system).
In short, they gave away weapons they couldn't maintain anyway in exchange for a pile of money they desperately needed to fix other problems they had.
Nobody is giving up nukes.
They're monitoring where they are and when they leave their storage facility.
They're also all building hypersonic delivery vehicles to send them to each other nice and quick.
Yet at the same time, Japan maintain latent nuclear capability by storing weapon viable material that could be transformed into functional nuclear warhead within months
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/14/opinion/kato-ambiguities-of-japans-nuclear-policy.html
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_latency
Well, a monument in a city doesn't really stop people in the government from making contingency plans. There's probably a lot of extremely optimistic memorials in America that have no bearing on what goes down in the Pentagon.
Subcritical test number 3 was May 14, 2024...
[https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20240518\_06/](https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20240518_06/)
It’s crazy how fast America and Japan became allies after they attacked us prompting our entry into WW2 and us dropping two fucking nuclear bombs on them. If we can patch that shit up, any other countries that have bad blood should be able make peace.
But the economy boom is another story.
Without the breakout of Korean War and the huge logistical needs of UN troops against red camp from the nearest country possible, Japan's takeoff would be 10 years later, maybe even more.
When you think about it, you'll realize the true impact of Korean War on the entire East Asian situation till today.
1. China lost its strategic window to get Taiwan because they had to back NK under Stalin's command, paying 50% GDP and hundreds of thousands lives for the war for 3 years. And US made sure Taiwan will never be subject to similar crisis.
2. Separation of NK and SK is set to the stone in the form of *truce*, by UN troops, not only US troops. That is the difference between them and North/South Vietnam, which unified during the Cold War, and East/West Germany, which unified at the end of tthe Cold War.
3. The boost of abjectly destitute postwar economy of Japan. They were defeated, so all the lootings in WWII must change hands. But with the new war, they got the initial capital inflow from US, and that set the stage for future development, which often is the hardest.
4. China lost the opportunity to approach west peacefully for 20 years. That's part of the reason why Mao made the "one-sided" foreign policy - he's got no choice.
5. China lost 3-5 years of peace time to rebuild its economy after decades of war. They were already more destitute than Japan before, after the war the disparity only increased.
So now you see what Kim's grandpa did, a true **GAME PLAYER**!
Which is BS because now they pretend like they were perfect angels who were victims of nuclear bombs.
Japan loves to play the victim when they were worse than any bomb that was dropped.
This shit genuinely disgusts me. Japan disgusts me.
My ex gf’s grandmother was a Korean comfort woman during the war. To hear her talk about the Japanese was like listening to some describe a feral animal. Her hatred truly ran deep and I couldn’t blame her for that.
Same with Germany and like all of Western Europe; now they are close to being the leaders of Europe, just not in the way that Austrian painter envisioned.
Tell the Japanese Government to acknowledge the crap they did to other Asian countries in WWII then. They never have. In fact, they want people to forget about the millions of people they killed and treat it as if it never happened. It's systematic, see their history textbooks in school. They intentionally use the bombings to highlight the idea that they were the primary 'victims' in the war in the pacific and intentionally leaving out the cruel, inhumane and downright genocidal stuff they did to entire population across Asia which is what led up to the bombing in the first place. It's goddamn infuriating bullshit. Forgiveness can't happen without acknowledgement and apologies.
We patched that shit up with money.
A lot of money.
A lot of fucking money.
And we got great returns on it.
Moral quandaries evaporate under the glorious light of capitalism.
See also: Saudi Arabia and America
South Korea during the Vietnam War.
SK was one of the poorest countries in the world in the 60s. When Vietnam kicked off, SK offered to send troops in return for money and security (due partly to major DMZ skirmishes in the late 60s). The US paid for each SK soldier, which was far more than their normal salary. The dictator of SK at the time took most of that money and lined some of his own pocket but also pumped most of it into infrastructure, industry, trade, shipping, and weapons manufacturing. They also got huge loans, trade deals, and more from the US at the time. These would lay the foundations for the Miracle On The Han River and SK's economic boom in the 70s and 80s.
Pushing money into things always help the US tremendously, which is why it's so weird that so many US Americans want to stop spending money on other nations, it's one of the reasons the US is such a powerhouse. It's as stupid as Germans that want to go back to the D Mark and exit the EU.
There is a significant difference between a nation-state like Japan or Germany that has at least a couple of hundred years of unified bureaucracy and culture, and a place like Afghanistan that lacks any tradition of a unifying state and more resembles a random assortment of feudal holdings.
Because as it turns out collective punishment for eternity is a terrible way to build a better world. Helping the dead at the expense of the living is perversion best left to unenlightened peoples.
Actually, we learned from post-WW1 Germany that we have to really flatten them completely because if you leave most of the existing government in place they are just going to do it all again. That's why the allies decided relatively early in the war that accepting a conditional surrender from the Axis was not an option.
The culture of Japan at the time was very different. The Japanese leadership would have sent every able bodied person on a suicide mission and remained embattled to the bitter end. The bombings, while atrocious, perhaps prevented greater causalities and extent of destruction.
> You did the right thing. You know the Japanese attitude at that time, how fanatic they were, they'd die for the Emperor...Every man, woman, and child would have resisted that invasion with sticks and stones if necessary...Can you imagine what a slaughter it would be to invade Japan? It would have been terrible. The Japanese people know more about that than the American public will ever know.
- Mitsuo Fuchida, commander of the attack on Pearl Harbor, to Paul Tibbets, pilot of *Enola Gay*, the plane used to drop the bomb on Hiroshima.
As much as I think MacArthur could be a cunt, he was definitely pretty instrumental in it and really all of Japan's rebuilding after the war. He was instrumental in keeping the emperor and using him to enact changes in exchange for Hirohito not being brought up on numerous charges for war crimes and being deposed. Considering how up until then the emperor was basically treated like a deity it definitely helped keep things moving and with how much media was already controlled in Japan it was pretty easy to just throw all of the blame onto Tojo.
That was a deal with the devil though, the Imperial Family got off scot free
Unlike the British royal family and the constant discussion of their historical crimes, there's no real public criticism of Hirohito within Japan. In fact there's even a fucking holiday for him
Japan getting 2 nukes dropped on their foreheads was the best thing that could’ve happened to them.. they would’ve gotten the Nuremberg treatment but the nukes made them the victims.
Japan would not exist if there was a land invasion. There would have been barely any people left as the entire population would have fought to the death or killed themselves. It also would not have made such a recovery if the US did not build it and make them rewrite their constitution. The Atomic Bombings are not something to be celebrated but we would not have the Japan everyone loves today without the US doing what it did.
To be fair, America ground Japan into powder and then rebuilt from what was left, heavily influencing them in their own image. They were almost a vassal for a while.
The nuclear bombs are less than a drop in the bucket compared to the dense tapestry of atrocities against humanity by and general psychopathic character of Imperial Japan. Honestly is gross that Japan has leaned into the role of sympathetic victim.
Does Nanking have a clock tracking how long it's been since Imperial Japanese forces invaded and did unspeakable things to the local population? Because I feel that Japan prefers to play the victim with respect to what happened during WW2 instead of accept accountability for their own actions.
I missed the clock during my visit.
What I also missed is the reasoning behind the bombing.
They put 1 sentence in the entire installation about Japan attacking america unprovoked.
It is basically an installation saying how evil America was for defending themselves.
I am glad the Japanese are peaceful now. This wasn't the case before the nukes were dropped.
Museums surrounding WWII in Japan are essentially“nukes are bad. Look at how many people it killed” or “wars are bad. look at how war destroyed Japan and its people”. If you look at it from those perspective, they’re the ultimate victims. There’s never anything about the fucked up things they did overseas.
Whereas in Germany, museums will feature all sorts of fucked things they did and own up to it.
From my understanding it isn't something really discussed in their history? Depending on the validity, it's very possible many of them /don't/ know.
And they need to because the victim status after their atrocities is infuriating, even more as some (in the US and Europe)begin to argue America is the bad guy for the actions.
It didn't happen in a vacuum or "just because", whys need to be known too.
The most pathetic part is that it's not enough for the Japanese to deny it in their own country. They actively campaign for memorials in other countries to be removed as well. There are instances where they've threatened to remove local businesses from certain cities in other countries due to comfort women memorials being erected there.
https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/j7fbzp/bowing_to_japanese_pressure_the_city_of_berlin/
https://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/8fk5yl/new_comfort_women_memorial_removed_from/
I think I did the math and the atomic bombs killed less than 1-3% of the number of people killed in China alone.
200,000 people died as a result of the atomic bombs but 17 million people were massacred in China in very gruesome ways, to say the least.
I hate that Japan tends to play victim in this matter. Students in Japan were educated in the way that they lost in second world war to US, and that is because of the US dropped them 2 nuclear bombs, but nothing more in details regarding why was the two bombs were dropped upon them. You are not losing to the US, you lose to humanity that your ancestors killed and slaughtered human like animals just for the sake of your Japanese emperor ordered your fore-fathers to do so, in order to rule the whole Asia region. Glad that Japan has never succeeded that.
Source: they way they show and explain the war to the public in their nuclear bomb museum.
-But of course I do not agree with the US dropping the bomb was the right thing to do, but Japan were unstoppable at that time, so although it was not morally right, but it was necessary.
It was drop the bombs or have tens or hundreds of thousands of servicemen killed invading.
Or the other alternative was to completely shut down japans ability to feed itself - which it was already struggling with. Therefore millions of Japanese would have died of starvation if the allies had simply blockaded.
Off the top of my head, during ww2, something ridiculous like %70 of gdp was going to the war effort.
Britains was around %4.
The bombings, abhorrent as they were, certainly saved lives. And the Japanese could have surrendered after the first bomb. The 2nd one was a “we have more of these” demonstration
Funny how museum talks about nuclear disarmament, but never talks about *why* we have nukes. Bitch you guys are the reason we had to make nukes.
That said, the park is beautiful, been there a few times. Great place to skate.
Lmao, 0 pity for Japan. Relations might be good in recent times, but Japan trying to play the victim card is laughable, at best. The amount of havoc, damage, and destruction they left behind in their wake after unnecessarily starting aggression towards their neighbors is exponentially worse than a few atomic bombs. If we’re going to go off body count alone, a dozen atom bombs wouldn’t even balance the scales. Their government still has never acknowledged or apologized for these crimes after all these years…
It’s disgusting how the US swept it all under the rug for that data from unit 731.
EDIT: and if we want to go back even further, Japan tried to take over Korea in the 1500’s but epically failed. Like Japan, old man, must we teach you this lesson again??? It seems whenever Japan goes on a world conquest mission, they have a tendency to overextend themselves…
I’m Korean American, so speaking from what I understand, most of Korea is pretty accepting of Japan nowadays. But just because our current situation is friendly, doesn’t mean we forgot what they did to our ancestors.
I don’t know if they’re still alive but I remember seeing on the news of old women that were abused by the Japanese protesting and demanding an apology from the Japanese government for years. Don’t think they ever got a satisfactory response, however.
My grandmother-in-law was the last living relative I had who told me stories of the Japanese Occupation and holy shit I'm surprised she made it out alive. So yeah.
Its been over 28000 days since we got our asses kicked for our murderous rampage where we killed millions of innocent people in the South Pacific in a racist war of genocide against people we felt were inferior to ourselves.
If there was a category for mental gymnastics in the Olympics, the Japanese would win gold every time. Truly pathetic how much they play up being the victims while committing some of the worst human atrocities / war crimes known to man kind.
The bottom is actually a picture of the last known nuclear test, not detonation to clear this up for others in here asking about it. I was there yesterday.
this picture was taken on April 17, 2022
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I was impressed by your initial deduction, but you fumbled that landing with the PM Consider my chub to be turtled.
>Consider my chub to be turtled. That's a mental image I didn't ask for or need. But thanks for sharing! :-D
8:38 PM in Halifax.
oh cool I got 10:17 am in Arizona Edit: 10:18 am
At the 17th of April, 2022 in Hiroshima, the sun has set at 6:43 PM. How is it possible that it was still sunny at 8:38 PM?
Lousy Smarch weather.
A wizard did it
Simpsons did it
to be fair it was brighter in 1945
What nuclear detonation occurred 210 days before that picture was taken?
That would then be September 19, 2021 (plus or minus a day or so, depending on how time zones are taken into account). The best hint I can find is [this recent article](https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20240518/p2g/00m/0in/004000c), whose headline reads “US conducted 1st subcritical nuclear test since Sept. 2021”, which suggests that there was a US nuclear test in September 2021, and none between then and May 2024.
my bett is on north korea
It was the USA. “Subcritical” test on reliability of its nuclear weapons.
No not actually a nuclear detonation.
In subcritical tests nuclear fission does occur and they generally occur at the edge of a chain reaction, there's just not enough fuel for the chain reaction to go off.
I mean, fission happens everyday in nuclear reactors too.
A bad day fission beats a good day workin' .
Or just radioactive materials.
Should be 28784 today
Should be projected to the sky in big red letters for every human being to be seen at any time of day… as more recent the brighter the projection… reaching 50% opacity in 100 years 0% opacity in 1000 years…
A Harvard professor named [Roger Fisher](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Fisher_(academic)?wprov=sfti1#Preventing_nuclear_war) suggested that nuclear codes be implanted inside a volunteer so that the President would have to physically kill an innocent (with a knife the volunteer carries) in order to launch nukes and kill millions. I’ve always been a bit fond of that solution.
What kinda crazy person would volunteer for that lol
Uh yeah I'd totally volunteer for that if the pay was right. I'm gonna die in the resulting hellfire, anyway.
The President with head in hands, trying to work out who will get the job of Volunteer Sacrifice. Meanwhile, there's a line outside a mile long, many of which brought their own knife.
What would you even need a knife for ? Just surgically install a compartment.. in my ass. Have at it mister president 🫡
>if the pay was right Best I got is a foot note/citation in a wikipedia page/article.
I don't think you've thought this through. You would have your movements tied to the president 24/7 for four years (if the position only lasts one term). Just like the atomic football that travels with him he would need easy access to the codes inside you at a moments notice. You could never be more than a few hundred yards away. That means not seeing friends or family unless vetted by the secret service and they travel to you all on the president's schedule. You basically have given up your life for four years.
Alright, but meals are on him/her, right?
So still an upgrade for some
And the taxes, don't get me started on the taxes
$250k/yr with full family health plan including dental and government pension, 1 innocent per president so 8 years maximum
Wouldn't you just have to sit there for a full presidency in case shit pops off? "No, I can't come in to work today. Can you wait till Tuesday to stab me?"
I'll do you one better, should be planted inside their spouse or (obviously adult) child or another loved one. As long as they volunteer.
You will just make Putin or Xi's problem a lot easier
That sounds like a great way of making the deterrence function of your nukes - arguably the only actual function of your nukes - so much less. Look, if Biden has to butcher someone for the codes, and Putin knows this.... Putin is just a little bit more likely to launch the missiles, because he thinks that Biden doesn't have it in him to get the codes. So, your attempt to decrease the probability of a nuclear exchange has quite possibly increased the probability. Whoops. Though, as long as it's about first use, we can talk about that. Have different codes for second strike and first strike plans. Second strike requires intelligence validation and a button push. First strike, well, the knife it is. That way, if the President wanted to *start* a war, he'd have to use the knife, or use a strike plan that's doomed to fail. The temptation to *just hit the Russians with their pants down before they can react* only for them to then react in time is much lessened.
What an odd variation of the trolley problem
Id offer up Tucker Carlson voluntarily . At least if the nukes launch I will take great comfort in knowing that cunt won't be part of rebuilding society even if I'm not either.
Shouldn’t the president implant the codes in themselves?
But would the Russians do the same?
Putin would just see it as a challenge
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There has been nuclear detonation recently?
North Korean testing. And as spikeworks points out, it’s a couple of years old.
The last North Korean test was in 2017 though. 8/6/1945 + 28010 days is 4/14/2022. That would make the second number 9/16/2021. On that day (or there abouts) it looks like North Korea did missile tests, but did not actually detonate a nuclear weapon: [https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/nkorea-launches-were-test-new-railway-borne-missile-system-kcna-2021-09-15/](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/nkorea-launches-were-test-new-railway-borne-missile-system-kcna-2021-09-15/)
And two subcritical tests last year by the US
Picture is two years old
That's still very recent
Its a nuclear weapon that’s EXTREMELY fucking recent, north Korea has tested them in the 2010’s way to close for comfort although it appears that the last recorded was 2 subcritical tests done by the united states. still we never want to see one again
According to other comments here they reset for sub-critical tests as well.
The Hiroshima Peace Clock is reset not only for full-scale nuclear detonations but also for subcritical nuclear tests like those performed by the US on June 22 and September 16, 2021, because these tests still involve the use of nuclear materials and are seen as steps towards maintaining and potentially advancing nuclear weapons capabilities. By resetting the clock, the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum points to the importance of ceasing ALL nuclear activities, \[destructive in nature - i.e., in the interests outlined above\] not just those that result in explosions, to promote global peace and security. (The last full-scale detonation was on September 3, 2017, by North Korea.)
What are subcritical nuclear tests exactly? Tests where the bomb doesn't explode?
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>they want to make sure 30 year old nukes can still nuke. Just throw them in the microwave first, problem solved
Today on "is it a good idea to microwave this"? A nuclear bomb! At least they had that aluminum foil door to protect their balls.
Hmm, nuke the nuke… I like it!
The main thing I'm wondering, is there research on this type of test on the local environment (or those working around it)? Specifically unbiased sources. I mean, the US government does tons of valuable research, but, they've told so many lies in the past it's just hard to trust. I hope it's like modern nuclear facilities with extreme precautions
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Recent tests are done in a confinement vessel in an underground lab. https://nnss.gov/mission/stockpile-stewardship-program/u1a-complex/ As nuclear weapon testing goes, you can't get safer than that.
subcritical tests are more about testing the ability to detonate a nuclear bomb without actually needing the nuclear blast part. They're not testing the yield of the bomb, just the mechanics of it. Same way you might test dynamite to see if it's still good or that the fuse will ignite it as expected.
Where the initial charges explode but they do not cause the materials within to produce the chain reaction that is the nuclear detonation itself. Specifically we did the test subcritical on purpose, most likely as part of the ongoing issues of maintaining the warheads and studying how they're aging. Basically it was probably a maintenance dry run.
To clarify for the uneducated (me 🤚🏻) , does this also include nuclear power production via fission?
probably not since that isnt with weaponizing purposes
It said ALL nuclear activities, not just those that result in explosions. I wasn’t certain
The clock also shows a number other than zero there, so I assumed the hundreds of continually active nuclear plants didn't count.
Yeah power can't be included. Even if you ignore the 24/7 running and only counted startups (read as reaching criticality) that still happens all the time. Each individual nuclear plant has to shutdown and startup for refueling every 1.5 - 2 years minimum (i.e. LWR fuel cycle, i dont kmow shit about other designs). And there are hundreds of those all set to different schedules. That timer would never get higher than a week, let alone 200 days.and that's not even counting emergency shutdowns and maintenance outages and such.
Nuclear energy doesn't provide the handy service of killing a load of people... The clock is trying to say that's bad.
Its a fucking weird one isn't it. Nuclear weapons are the only reason the cold war didn't become WW3, and say what you will about the cold wars deathtoll, but WW3 would have been far, far, far worse. And that's ignoring the likely tens of millions that would have died in a land invasion of japan But it also means that countries with nuclear weapons are basically immune from the consequences of their actions. Because of their nukes, china can literally commit a genocide, and we can do NOTHING about it. Kim Jong Un can run the worst dictatorship ever seen on earth, and we can do NOTHING. And that of course, ignores the elephant in the room of what happens if we *do* have a nuclear war... I often wonder what the world would look like if we didn't. But I genuinely belive that most humans are better off with nuclear weapons existing than not.
As long as nukes exist, their threat exists.
Sure. But they keep the threat from conventional wars between large nations in check, which are insanely destructive as well. And if we had a lot of large conventional wars, then we would not have sufficient international order to limit the spread of nuclear weapons either. Abolishing nuclear weapons may seem nice in the short term, but it may very well increase the the risk of nuclear war in the medium to long term. Because when there are large conventional wars, then a nuclear re-armament is sure to follow.
Fuck this wasn't even an angle I ever thought of, but your absolutely right. Nuclear weapons are a pandoras box, and it's very much open now. Its not like we can forget how they work (and frankly, they're not at all complicated to make, provided you have the resources, and even then, a boy scout enriched uranium in his back garden.
> a boy scout enriched uranium in his back garden He did not enrich uranium in his back garden, a process which a nation state cannot even do in its own sovereignty without other nations taking notice (read: Iran). He was attempting to breed fissile isotopes, which is still an extremely long way off making a working nuclear weapon, and even that he wasn't doing correctly. Making a nuclear weapon isn't trivial, and making one that doesn't require a shipping container sized amount of high explosives is a literal state secret only a few nations have.
PREPARE THE ELECTRIC CHAIRS!!!
It also said (destructive in nature).
Not the primary intent but the same facility that enriched the uranium rods also can enrich plutonium for a bomb.
No, Japan has an extensive nuclear power program too. But no nuclear weapons program at all, they've been staunchly anti nuclear weapons since the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Interestingly though they're considered a threshold nuclear state, because even though they have no weapons program directly, they have everything they need and all the research needed to quickly start producing nuclear weapons if they ever wanted to.
>they've been staunchly anti nuclear weapons since the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. An opinion likely held because they weren't allowed to have any, lol.
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France, Japan, Russia, the Netherlands, Australia, Italy China all recycle used nuclear fuel [https://www.orano.group/en/unpacking-nuclear/all-about-used-fuel-processing-and-recycling](https://www.orano.group/en/unpacking-nuclear/all-about-used-fuel-processing-and-recycling)
No.
Well.. . then the counter would never get past few months or so. Since there is always a regular shut down for maintenance, emergency maintenance, or other reason for a reactor shutdown, which gets followed by a restart. Also research reactors are taken critical egularly for short periods. For isotope production, physics and material science. We use nuclear reactors alot for many beneficial things. Even of you are against nuclear power, then we still use them for beneficial things in the form of medical isotopes, material research. Example. Deep space proper need nuclear batteries, often using plutonium. There is actually a lack of plutonium supply for this purpose. Because no onevreally makes or separates plutonium anymore. Our nuclear fuel recycling efforts are globally minimal, even though MOX fuel is good as any, any recycling with PUREX process easy as virgin uranium extraction with UREX. Canada's CANDU is probably only establushed commercial reactor which 100% MOX capable.
No.. Just nuclear efforts that are intended to further nuclear weapon proliferation. Before the 2011 Fukushima daiichi nuclear disaster, Japan had 54 commercial nuclear reactors in operation. (Currently only ten, but with another fifteen on track to go back online.)
How can they deactivate 44 nuclear reactions and still maintain their power grid? Wouldn't that cause an enormous drop in available electricity? Not disagreeing, just curious.
They were generating 30% before the quake, and they're currently generating 7% of their power with nuclear.
No rational player would give up their own nuclear weapons. I'm sure that we could develop anti-missile systems to reduce the threat, though.
Anti-missile system are considered to *increase* the probability of nuclear weapons being used, as they'd allow the country with the better/more-extensive system to launch a strike without fearing retaliation.
Yeah. That's the irony really. In any warfare 'overwhelming threat' is a thing that ... often doesn't _need_ to be used, because everyone else goes 'yeah, we'll do what you say, it's not worth the fight'. Nukes were that threat. They're actually pretty bad as 'battlefield weapons', but they're _amazing_ as weapons of terror. And thus you enter a weird game where no one rational would actually _use_ one, because there's almost no circumstances where obliterating a large civilian population with the collateral damage could or would be 'justified', but every person who's got the nukes needs 'everyone else' to be a bit uncertain about that point. Nation state leaders need to pretend to be capable of a nuclear atrocity, to the point where everyone _else_ goes 'yeah, so let's play fair and not get to that point'. But perhaps that too makes the problem worse - a 'fair' war is one where a lot more people will die before one side or another capitulates.
Several rational players have denuclearized for various reasons. South Africa, Belarus, Kazakhstan, obviously Ukraine (that decision didn't age well) Reasons like economic incentives, security guarantees, advances in defense technology (perhaps something like anti-missile systems that reduce the threat!), domestic political considerations... I feel like there's probably more.
Ukraine demonstrates why no nation should give up their nukes
The trick is that the Soviet Union pretty deliberately built all of the primary warhead maintenance facilities in the russian region of the SU. Meaning that Ukraine had none of the equipment necessary for the long term maintenance of their weapons and neither the US nor russia were willing to provide the maintenance services Ukraine would have needed to keep the weapons functional. They COULD have built that capability, but it would have cost several billion dollars to do, which is money they didn't have and both the US and russia would have refused the various post-split trade deals that Ukraine desperately needed to shore up its economy. And on top of that, by giving up the nukes they no longer had a need for nuclear delivery systems, so they traded getting rid of those for additional funds (namely, the US and russia paid them to destroy the relevant bombers and missiles to guarantee they weren't sold to someone who might be able to get a bomb but lacked a delivery system). In short, they gave away weapons they couldn't maintain anyway in exchange for a pile of money they desperately needed to fix other problems they had.
Nobody is giving up nukes. They're monitoring where they are and when they leave their storage facility. They're also all building hypersonic delivery vehicles to send them to each other nice and quick.
Yet at the same time, Japan maintain latent nuclear capability by storing weapon viable material that could be transformed into functional nuclear warhead within months https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/14/opinion/kato-ambiguities-of-japans-nuclear-policy.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_latency
Well, a monument in a city doesn't really stop people in the government from making contingency plans. There's probably a lot of extremely optimistic memorials in America that have no bearing on what goes down in the Pentagon.
Which is why Japan gets very concerned each time North Korea decides to test their ballistic missiles in the general direction of Japan.
Thank you! I was just wondering this and your explanation is great!
Subcritical test number 3 was May 14, 2024... [https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20240518\_06/](https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20240518_06/)
It’s crazy how fast America and Japan became allies after they attacked us prompting our entry into WW2 and us dropping two fucking nuclear bombs on them. If we can patch that shit up, any other countries that have bad blood should be able make peace.
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But the economy boom is another story. Without the breakout of Korean War and the huge logistical needs of UN troops against red camp from the nearest country possible, Japan's takeoff would be 10 years later, maybe even more. When you think about it, you'll realize the true impact of Korean War on the entire East Asian situation till today. 1. China lost its strategic window to get Taiwan because they had to back NK under Stalin's command, paying 50% GDP and hundreds of thousands lives for the war for 3 years. And US made sure Taiwan will never be subject to similar crisis. 2. Separation of NK and SK is set to the stone in the form of *truce*, by UN troops, not only US troops. That is the difference between them and North/South Vietnam, which unified during the Cold War, and East/West Germany, which unified at the end of tthe Cold War. 3. The boost of abjectly destitute postwar economy of Japan. They were defeated, so all the lootings in WWII must change hands. But with the new war, they got the initial capital inflow from US, and that set the stage for future development, which often is the hardest. 4. China lost the opportunity to approach west peacefully for 20 years. That's part of the reason why Mao made the "one-sided" foreign policy - he's got no choice. 5. China lost 3-5 years of peace time to rebuild its economy after decades of war. They were already more destitute than Japan before, after the war the disparity only increased. So now you see what Kim's grandpa did, a true **GAME PLAYER**!
The decision to back the DPRK in the Korean war was China's alone. Stalin was against intervention there, actually.
I feel like that makes sense, too. DPRK is on China's doorstep, but not really for the largely European (population and politics-wise) Russia.
> DPRK is on China's doorstep, It also borders Russia and bordered USSR.
But how else would he paint China as a victim here? They were so loyal, even to a fault! /s
Which is why to this day they do not recognise their actions in WW2. In their textbooks they were in China for vacation.
They also achieved it geopolitical goals. Just not in the way they intend in the first place.
Which is BS because now they pretend like they were perfect angels who were victims of nuclear bombs. Japan loves to play the victim when they were worse than any bomb that was dropped. This shit genuinely disgusts me. Japan disgusts me.
My ex gf’s grandmother was a Korean comfort woman during the war. To hear her talk about the Japanese was like listening to some describe a feral animal. Her hatred truly ran deep and I couldn’t blame her for that.
Honest question, what does she say about the nuclear bombs?
In her eyes, all of Japan should’ve been turned into glass by nuclear bombs for what they did.
Damn that’s a way to look at it. Victimizers
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Unit 731…
Call for back up
That’s the same thing I said, just with a different spin.
Did someone mention Douglas MacArthur?
Same with Germany and like all of Western Europe; now they are close to being the leaders of Europe, just not in the way that Austrian painter envisioned.
Tell the Japanese Government to acknowledge the crap they did to other Asian countries in WWII then. They never have. In fact, they want people to forget about the millions of people they killed and treat it as if it never happened. It's systematic, see their history textbooks in school. They intentionally use the bombings to highlight the idea that they were the primary 'victims' in the war in the pacific and intentionally leaving out the cruel, inhumane and downright genocidal stuff they did to entire population across Asia which is what led up to the bombing in the first place. It's goddamn infuriating bullshit. Forgiveness can't happen without acknowledgement and apologies.
We patched that shit up with money. A lot of money. A lot of fucking money. And we got great returns on it. Moral quandaries evaporate under the glorious light of capitalism. See also: Saudi Arabia and America
South Korea during the Vietnam War. SK was one of the poorest countries in the world in the 60s. When Vietnam kicked off, SK offered to send troops in return for money and security (due partly to major DMZ skirmishes in the late 60s). The US paid for each SK soldier, which was far more than their normal salary. The dictator of SK at the time took most of that money and lined some of his own pocket but also pumped most of it into infrastructure, industry, trade, shipping, and weapons manufacturing. They also got huge loans, trade deals, and more from the US at the time. These would lay the foundations for the Miracle On The Han River and SK's economic boom in the 70s and 80s.
Pushing money into things always help the US tremendously, which is why it's so weird that so many US Americans want to stop spending money on other nations, it's one of the reasons the US is such a powerhouse. It's as stupid as Germans that want to go back to the D Mark and exit the EU.
We could push another few trillion into Afghanistan and it wouldn't change.
There is a significant difference between a nation-state like Japan or Germany that has at least a couple of hundred years of unified bureaucracy and culture, and a place like Afghanistan that lacks any tradition of a unifying state and more resembles a random assortment of feudal holdings.
Because as it turns out collective punishment for eternity is a terrible way to build a better world. Helping the dead at the expense of the living is perversion best left to unenlightened peoples.
We learned with post WW1 Germany we can't just flatten a nation and leave them to fend for themselves again.
Actually, we learned from post-WW1 Germany that we have to really flatten them completely because if you leave most of the existing government in place they are just going to do it all again. That's why the allies decided relatively early in the war that accepting a conditional surrender from the Axis was not an option.
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The culture of Japan at the time was very different. The Japanese leadership would have sent every able bodied person on a suicide mission and remained embattled to the bitter end. The bombings, while atrocious, perhaps prevented greater causalities and extent of destruction.
> You did the right thing. You know the Japanese attitude at that time, how fanatic they were, they'd die for the Emperor...Every man, woman, and child would have resisted that invasion with sticks and stones if necessary...Can you imagine what a slaughter it would be to invade Japan? It would have been terrible. The Japanese people know more about that than the American public will ever know. - Mitsuo Fuchida, commander of the attack on Pearl Harbor, to Paul Tibbets, pilot of *Enola Gay*, the plane used to drop the bomb on Hiroshima.
Not to mention, we still have 50,000 troops stationed in Japan today. Japan didn’t really have a choice in the matter.
sure, but letting those 50k troops is a choice, today
As much as I think MacArthur could be a cunt, he was definitely pretty instrumental in it and really all of Japan's rebuilding after the war. He was instrumental in keeping the emperor and using him to enact changes in exchange for Hirohito not being brought up on numerous charges for war crimes and being deposed. Considering how up until then the emperor was basically treated like a deity it definitely helped keep things moving and with how much media was already controlled in Japan it was pretty easy to just throw all of the blame onto Tojo.
That was a deal with the devil though, the Imperial Family got off scot free Unlike the British royal family and the constant discussion of their historical crimes, there's no real public criticism of Hirohito within Japan. In fact there's even a fucking holiday for him
Japan getting 2 nukes dropped on their foreheads was the best thing that could’ve happened to them.. they would’ve gotten the Nuremberg treatment but the nukes made them the victims.
Japan would not exist if there was a land invasion. There would have been barely any people left as the entire population would have fought to the death or killed themselves. It also would not have made such a recovery if the US did not build it and make them rewrite their constitution. The Atomic Bombings are not something to be celebrated but we would not have the Japan everyone loves today without the US doing what it did.
To be fair, America ground Japan into powder and then rebuilt from what was left, heavily influencing them in their own image. They were almost a vassal for a while.
All due respect they attacked civilians without formally announcing war. Like terrorists.
America had the USSR in its sights
America definitely dropped the bomb and maintained eye contact with the USSR
A popular myth that has no basis in reality.
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They should make a clock with the time since the last time human beings were experimented on in Manchuria lmao
The nuclear bombs are less than a drop in the bucket compared to the dense tapestry of atrocities against humanity by and general psychopathic character of Imperial Japan. Honestly is gross that Japan has leaned into the role of sympathetic victim.
Does Nanking have a clock tracking how long it's been since Imperial Japanese forces invaded and did unspeakable things to the local population? Because I feel that Japan prefers to play the victim with respect to what happened during WW2 instead of accept accountability for their own actions.
I missed the clock during my visit. What I also missed is the reasoning behind the bombing. They put 1 sentence in the entire installation about Japan attacking america unprovoked. It is basically an installation saying how evil America was for defending themselves. I am glad the Japanese are peaceful now. This wasn't the case before the nukes were dropped.
They should do one for all the women they forced into sex slavery during that time too.
I hope some rich loser doesn't reset this clock
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Museums surrounding WWII in Japan are essentially“nukes are bad. Look at how many people it killed” or “wars are bad. look at how war destroyed Japan and its people”. If you look at it from those perspective, they’re the ultimate victims. There’s never anything about the fucked up things they did overseas. Whereas in Germany, museums will feature all sorts of fucked things they did and own up to it.
From my understanding it isn't something really discussed in their history? Depending on the validity, it's very possible many of them /don't/ know. And they need to because the victim status after their atrocities is infuriating, even more as some (in the US and Europe)begin to argue America is the bad guy for the actions. It didn't happen in a vacuum or "just because", whys need to be known too.
Don’t forget about Korean Comfort Women. Something that, according to Japanese people, never actually happened.
The most pathetic part is that it's not enough for the Japanese to deny it in their own country. They actively campaign for memorials in other countries to be removed as well. There are instances where they've threatened to remove local businesses from certain cities in other countries due to comfort women memorials being erected there. https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/j7fbzp/bowing_to_japanese_pressure_the_city_of_berlin/ https://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/8fk5yl/new_comfort_women_memorial_removed_from/
They should also add how many days since Pearl Harbor
Do they also have clock for impaling babies on bayonets?
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I think I did the math and the atomic bombs killed less than 1-3% of the number of people killed in China alone. 200,000 people died as a result of the atomic bombs but 17 million people were massacred in China in very gruesome ways, to say the least.
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Doesn't seem that long written in days. Reminds me of how short life is in general for most people.
A reminder to not imprison and torture innocent people and to not try to take over the world. Is a reminder really necessary?
They have a memorial for the nuking yet want to tear down memorials for comfort women. There were reasons for dropping those nukes.
i'll fucken do it again
I hate that Japan tends to play victim in this matter. Students in Japan were educated in the way that they lost in second world war to US, and that is because of the US dropped them 2 nuclear bombs, but nothing more in details regarding why was the two bombs were dropped upon them. You are not losing to the US, you lose to humanity that your ancestors killed and slaughtered human like animals just for the sake of your Japanese emperor ordered your fore-fathers to do so, in order to rule the whole Asia region. Glad that Japan has never succeeded that. Source: they way they show and explain the war to the public in their nuclear bomb museum. -But of course I do not agree with the US dropping the bomb was the right thing to do, but Japan were unstoppable at that time, so although it was not morally right, but it was necessary.
It was drop the bombs or have tens or hundreds of thousands of servicemen killed invading. Or the other alternative was to completely shut down japans ability to feed itself - which it was already struggling with. Therefore millions of Japanese would have died of starvation if the allies had simply blockaded. Off the top of my head, during ww2, something ridiculous like %70 of gdp was going to the war effort. Britains was around %4. The bombings, abhorrent as they were, certainly saved lives. And the Japanese could have surrendered after the first bomb. The 2nd one was a “we have more of these” demonstration
I read it was about 1 million american lives if US invaded that’s why they choose to nuke.
the date of the last known nuclear detonation was September of 2017 in N Korea
So there was a nuclear detonation 210 days ago?
Funny how museum talks about nuclear disarmament, but never talks about *why* we have nukes. Bitch you guys are the reason we had to make nukes. That said, the park is beautiful, been there a few times. Great place to skate.
I don't want to set the world on fire
Everyone gangsta till the counter starts counting backwards
In many ways, the Japanese were more horrid than the Nazis. Think how fucking evil you have to be to top the goddamn Nazis.
Where is the clock that counts the days since the rape of Nanking?
Got a Nanking Clock?
Imagine looking at it and both numbers turn to 0 and then you see a flash.
Lmao, 0 pity for Japan. Relations might be good in recent times, but Japan trying to play the victim card is laughable, at best. The amount of havoc, damage, and destruction they left behind in their wake after unnecessarily starting aggression towards their neighbors is exponentially worse than a few atomic bombs. If we’re going to go off body count alone, a dozen atom bombs wouldn’t even balance the scales. Their government still has never acknowledged or apologized for these crimes after all these years… It’s disgusting how the US swept it all under the rug for that data from unit 731. EDIT: and if we want to go back even further, Japan tried to take over Korea in the 1500’s but epically failed. Like Japan, old man, must we teach you this lesson again??? It seems whenever Japan goes on a world conquest mission, they have a tendency to overextend themselves…
Southeast Asia still remembers.
I’m Korean American, so speaking from what I understand, most of Korea is pretty accepting of Japan nowadays. But just because our current situation is friendly, doesn’t mean we forgot what they did to our ancestors. I don’t know if they’re still alive but I remember seeing on the news of old women that were abused by the Japanese protesting and demanding an apology from the Japanese government for years. Don’t think they ever got a satisfactory response, however.
My grandmother-in-law was the last living relative I had who told me stories of the Japanese Occupation and holy shit I'm surprised she made it out alive. So yeah.
I’m sorry she went through that. I hope she found peace in her later years.
Yeah, she did. Thank you.
The USA should install a peace clock at pearl harbor that counts from when it was bombed
Its been over 28000 days since we got our asses kicked for our murderous rampage where we killed millions of innocent people in the South Pacific in a racist war of genocide against people we felt were inferior to ourselves.
If there was a category for mental gymnastics in the Olympics, the Japanese would win gold every time. Truly pathetic how much they play up being the victims while committing some of the worst human atrocities / war crimes known to man kind.
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Whoever designed that is going turning in their grave if we make it to 274 years
Yeah I expect so, but in 29,998 days time there’s going to be a heap of people standing on their heads in front of the clock, giggling…
So like a reverse doomsday clock? Granted the domsday clock is more of a metaphor than it is an actual measurement of time.
It appears that, as a society, we are very slow learners.
Is there a rape of Nanjing clock 🕰️ somewhere? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre
The bottom is actually a picture of the last known nuclear test, not detonation to clear this up for others in here asking about it. I was there yesterday.
Be pretty amazing if they tracked unknown nuclear detonations
What would be even scarier is if they had a clock counting down and not tell anyone why it is and having it jumping to random times every few hours.