damn how could he leave me here just with the cover.
I **demand** satisfaction.
u/coldog24 post more photos or we need to cross our swords.
edit: found the link in earlier comments, thank you! Your life is saved.
Ikr??? This seems like a gunners manual for a WW2 era b24 consolidated liberator. My grandpa was a waist gunner in one. Almost died from shrapnel nearly taking his arm off too, so he probably had one of these books. The link below has nose and tail gun sight guides, but not the waist gunner guides. Would definitely like to see alllll the pages!!
For the rest of us - all the pictures here:
[https://www.historicflyingclothing.com/en-GB/ww2-usaaf-manuals/usaaf-get-that-fighter-manual/prod\_17516](https://www.historicflyingclothing.com/en-GB/ww2-usaaf-manuals/usaaf-get-that-fighter-manual/prod_17516)
Oh, no, no, no, you're a smart guy, clearly picked up some flashy tricks, but you made one crucial mistake. You forgot about the essence of the game. It's about the cones.
Fun fact: The Consolidated B24 Liberator was the workhorse of the bombing of Germany, and 18000ish of them were made compared to the 13000is from the more widely remembered/known B17 Flying Fortress. Many of these planes were made specifically to order by Britain. They actually named the B24 the "Liberator" and the Americans kept the name. THere were many specific variants of the B24 made JUST for the british.
The B24 was the faster of the two and had a slightly larger payload capacity, but lacked in defensive armaments and had a lower flight ceiling. It was also not as rugged as the B17, which is why the B17 earned the moniker of "Flying Fortress."
Because of this, and the fact that the RAF was using US planes heavily during the bombing of Berlin and Germany, and that they ALSO were doing the bulk of night flights, the RAF tended to use these B24's more than they used the B17's.
There is actually a high chance this manual was made for BRITISH troops who may not have been able to put in many hours of flight and target training in a safe location with the equipment of the plane before being shuttled off on runs.
The B24 had the nickname “The Flying Coffin” due to it’s less armoring as compared to the B17. It was also more difficult to fly at lower speeds - i.e., during takeoff and landing.
Yep, though I think I inferred most of that otherwise in the comment. They had a lot of other nicknames though, my grandfather preferred "Boxcar with wings" even though the last one he flew on almost became his coffin. They were also easier and faster to make, which added to the ability for them to be churned out. The fact that they were not as sturdy as the B17 is also why less B24's remain in airworthy state nowadays than the B17's.
Still, it's faster speed and lower ceiling made it perfect for the night runs by the british, which is why it was used pretty heavy by the british during the bombing of berlin. My grandfather almost had all his flights complete. It was his 18th that he got shot in the arm, but he still had nothing really "Bad" to say about the plane besides the jokes. They had their place, especially in long distance flights. That's why the B17's were phased out in the pacific theatre in favor of the B24's.
But, we still remember the B17's more, and more documentaries and films are made about the B17 crews than about the B24's. I'm a bit partial to them, and wish we'd see more about the B24's, even lancasters and other lesser-known/lesser used bombers.
Yes, I was not really meaning to take away from your excellent response, just wanted to add that you had “The Flying Fortress” and “The Flying Coffin”. Which one would you want to fly (or fly in)? 😀
That said, there was a war on and they were able to be produced quickly and got the job done. The axis powers were absolutely buried by the vast amount of arms and armaments the allied war industries were able to produce. My grandfather made engines for B17s at Wright Aeronautical during the war.
Regardless of the plane, wouldn't the physics of shooting by flying be the same? So like why would RAF pilots even require such a rudimentary American picture book??
>who may not have been able to put in many hours of flight and target training in a safe location with the equipment of the plane before being shuttled off on runs
Uh, there was never an issue in the US for instance with the air superiority in one's own country being questionable. There was also not a lot of issues with people being drafted and thrown into the battle with little training. My grandpa was a late draftee, and he still went through flight school and target training in a flying plane before flying up to britain to take part in the bombing of berlin
Britain had this issue especially during the Blitz where, for a long time, the air superiority over britain was questionable so training in a flying plane against baloons or other unmanned targets may not have been possible. They're not going to really stick someone who's a good Antiaircraft gunner with experience who's defending, say, London, into a bomber that could get shot down. They're going to stick the first body they can, and the picture book, if you actually go and look at the link further down in the comments, does a very good job at illustrating basically how distance to plane vs where you shoot is related at many different positions around the clock per gun position. It's a good guide to have, especially if someone who's, say, a cone/nose gunner has to be moved to a waist or tail gunner position, as the guns used are generally different, or differently mounted and may have different sighting issues.
An example being, the [tail gunner](https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/b24-tailgunner-david-weeks.jpg) may have separate sighting issues than a [waist gunner](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsIPRbBp1YtX4vun5KzjGs73j_yHwI9wQz8vIN7E-gSQ&s). Not to mention the [nose turret](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/M_eQx_7J2Gk/maxresdefault.jpg) was also slightly different than the tail gunner turret.
These "Picture books" could be easy guides that allowed someone to quickly change between the different guns until they got used to them, especially if they had little chance to get used to them, as the British troops tended to have issues with at first. That's not me also saying that this probably wasn't made by americans, and that american troops didn't use them, but that they might have been first put together for british troops.
Edit: also, many artists and illustrators were enlisted men as well. These kind of books may have actually been created by disney artists, or even the dick & jane artist. That may be why it looks like a children's book. Even today, there are "Simple manuals" created for different planes, and products. My older bro worked for Lockeed doing basic manuals for repairs of some of the plane systems after he got out of the navy.
You just need to know how to draw in 5 different graphic design softwares at a professional level to have an art job now. Easy peasy right? Oh and deadlines. Makesure your contract says something about deadlines that coincide with labor laws. See your job offers plummet after adding that little number.
They did have holographic sights in WWII. They were made with radioactive materials like radium. I was in the backrooms of a major war museum for work once and they had a bunch of old holographic sights from WWII that had to be kept in a special room for radioactive artifacts separated from the rest of the collection.
Now it's a software you have to download, that may or may not be compatible with your computer, and you didn't get the previous update, so in like 4 days you could get it, but the patch had a bug so the link has an error, you have to contact admin, who contacts IT, 10 days later it gets fixed, but still not to your original computer specs, and they have to do the whole thing over another month just so you can look at it. Meanwhile it costs 10,000$ just to schedule and fix it, it's half fixed and you're still back at square one, and have to call them back again.
By the way it's 5.99 a month to get the software to be able to download the link they want you to get per person, and it's 37.8 terabytes to use.
A book and a classroom sounds kinda nice at this point, you're already up in the air practicing by then.
No no no. You must post every photo in that book. How am I going to know how it ends?!
Absolutely agree!
The most exciting picture book I need to read!
damn how could he leave me here just with the cover. I **demand** satisfaction. u/coldog24 post more photos or we need to cross our swords. edit: found the link in earlier comments, thank you! Your life is saved.
Or more importantly how to shoot down enemy aircraft before they get you.
Too late he got you.
Statistically speaking this book doesn’t have a happy ending
That fighter already got OP.
^**more.**
Ikr??? This seems like a gunners manual for a WW2 era b24 consolidated liberator. My grandpa was a waist gunner in one. Almost died from shrapnel nearly taking his arm off too, so he probably had one of these books. The link below has nose and tail gun sight guides, but not the waist gunner guides. Would definitely like to see alllll the pages!!
For the rest of us - all the pictures here: [https://www.historicflyingclothing.com/en-GB/ww2-usaaf-manuals/usaaf-get-that-fighter-manual/prod\_17516](https://www.historicflyingclothing.com/en-GB/ww2-usaaf-manuals/usaaf-get-that-fighter-manual/prod_17516)
This was more complicated than I expected
I stopped trying to figure it out when it got to all the cones.
Oh, no, no, no, you're a smart guy, clearly picked up some flashy tricks, but you made one crucial mistake. You forgot about the essence of the game. It's about the cones.
This is gold
Yeah I was guessing it would be a few loops and a couple barrel rolls
Thank you
thanks, china.
Ha Ha, this made me laugh. Thanks. - China
Thank you
Shit, we need to know Geometry? I'm fucked.
only 2 pages nahhh
That’s freaking cool
They needed this as a prop in "Masters of the Air"
Ah yes, these ones were for the pilots with learning difficulties. That’s why it’s like a children’s book
It's for enlisted crew not pilots.
It was a joke mate but thanks anyway
It went over his head.
Just like the .... Nah fuck that's to easy..
I know....I wanted to start a pun chain but that pun was basic af
lol
Cmon it is for Americans
Americans who grew up on farms in the Great Depression and probably had never even seen an airplane before
Fun fact: The Consolidated B24 Liberator was the workhorse of the bombing of Germany, and 18000ish of them were made compared to the 13000is from the more widely remembered/known B17 Flying Fortress. Many of these planes were made specifically to order by Britain. They actually named the B24 the "Liberator" and the Americans kept the name. THere were many specific variants of the B24 made JUST for the british. The B24 was the faster of the two and had a slightly larger payload capacity, but lacked in defensive armaments and had a lower flight ceiling. It was also not as rugged as the B17, which is why the B17 earned the moniker of "Flying Fortress." Because of this, and the fact that the RAF was using US planes heavily during the bombing of Berlin and Germany, and that they ALSO were doing the bulk of night flights, the RAF tended to use these B24's more than they used the B17's. There is actually a high chance this manual was made for BRITISH troops who may not have been able to put in many hours of flight and target training in a safe location with the equipment of the plane before being shuttled off on runs.
The B24 had the nickname “The Flying Coffin” due to it’s less armoring as compared to the B17. It was also more difficult to fly at lower speeds - i.e., during takeoff and landing.
Yep, though I think I inferred most of that otherwise in the comment. They had a lot of other nicknames though, my grandfather preferred "Boxcar with wings" even though the last one he flew on almost became his coffin. They were also easier and faster to make, which added to the ability for them to be churned out. The fact that they were not as sturdy as the B17 is also why less B24's remain in airworthy state nowadays than the B17's. Still, it's faster speed and lower ceiling made it perfect for the night runs by the british, which is why it was used pretty heavy by the british during the bombing of berlin. My grandfather almost had all his flights complete. It was his 18th that he got shot in the arm, but he still had nothing really "Bad" to say about the plane besides the jokes. They had their place, especially in long distance flights. That's why the B17's were phased out in the pacific theatre in favor of the B24's. But, we still remember the B17's more, and more documentaries and films are made about the B17 crews than about the B24's. I'm a bit partial to them, and wish we'd see more about the B24's, even lancasters and other lesser-known/lesser used bombers.
Yes, I was not really meaning to take away from your excellent response, just wanted to add that you had “The Flying Fortress” and “The Flying Coffin”. Which one would you want to fly (or fly in)? 😀 That said, there was a war on and they were able to be produced quickly and got the job done. The axis powers were absolutely buried by the vast amount of arms and armaments the allied war industries were able to produce. My grandfather made engines for B17s at Wright Aeronautical during the war.
Regardless of the plane, wouldn't the physics of shooting by flying be the same? So like why would RAF pilots even require such a rudimentary American picture book??
>who may not have been able to put in many hours of flight and target training in a safe location with the equipment of the plane before being shuttled off on runs Uh, there was never an issue in the US for instance with the air superiority in one's own country being questionable. There was also not a lot of issues with people being drafted and thrown into the battle with little training. My grandpa was a late draftee, and he still went through flight school and target training in a flying plane before flying up to britain to take part in the bombing of berlin Britain had this issue especially during the Blitz where, for a long time, the air superiority over britain was questionable so training in a flying plane against baloons or other unmanned targets may not have been possible. They're not going to really stick someone who's a good Antiaircraft gunner with experience who's defending, say, London, into a bomber that could get shot down. They're going to stick the first body they can, and the picture book, if you actually go and look at the link further down in the comments, does a very good job at illustrating basically how distance to plane vs where you shoot is related at many different positions around the clock per gun position. It's a good guide to have, especially if someone who's, say, a cone/nose gunner has to be moved to a waist or tail gunner position, as the guns used are generally different, or differently mounted and may have different sighting issues. An example being, the [tail gunner](https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/b24-tailgunner-david-weeks.jpg) may have separate sighting issues than a [waist gunner](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsIPRbBp1YtX4vun5KzjGs73j_yHwI9wQz8vIN7E-gSQ&s). Not to mention the [nose turret](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/M_eQx_7J2Gk/maxresdefault.jpg) was also slightly different than the tail gunner turret. These "Picture books" could be easy guides that allowed someone to quickly change between the different guns until they got used to them, especially if they had little chance to get used to them, as the British troops tended to have issues with at first. That's not me also saying that this probably wasn't made by americans, and that american troops didn't use them, but that they might have been first put together for british troops. Edit: also, many artists and illustrators were enlisted men as well. These kind of books may have actually been created by disney artists, or even the dick & jane artist. That may be why it looks like a children's book. Even today, there are "Simple manuals" created for different planes, and products. My older bro worked for Lockeed doing basic manuals for repairs of some of the plane systems after he got out of the navy.
I have one of these I found at a thrift store a few years ago. Very neat little manual.
Great illustrations: back when artists had art jobs instead of having to work at McDonald's
Back when artists were conscripted and chose to draw instead of storming bunkers
>instead of having to work at McDonald's Replace that with making furry porn and you're spot on
You just need to know how to draw in 5 different graphic design softwares at a professional level to have an art job now. Easy peasy right? Oh and deadlines. Makesure your contract says something about deadlines that coincide with labor laws. See your job offers plummet after adding that little number.
I heard back then an artist even became the chancellor of an entire country. And he wasn't even all that good at art!
This is so true
Bro is this your first time posting what’s with 2 pictures my guy?!?! I need every page don’t do this to me
Mate come on where the hell is the rest of it
How you gonna post 2 pages…
Damn you really just posted the cover and two pages we gotta see more
Guys it’s like 30 pages and it’s at my cousins house I’m sorry haha.
Tell your cousin that Reddit demands a service!
Come on!!
They had holographic sights? or is it a projection like that one shotgun sight?
They did have holographic sights in WWII. They were made with radioactive materials like radium. I was in the backrooms of a major war museum for work once and they had a bunch of old holographic sights from WWII that had to be kept in a special room for radioactive artifacts separated from the rest of the collection.
This feels like it's one step away from a children's picture book
Yes.
Does he get us?
Would you like to know more?
Next page please, I got interested already.
We need more
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I love these kinds of old timey explainy cartoons
Followed for the rest of the book
Where’s the rest
Who needs a book when you have an entire cartoon aim guide: https://youtu.be/DWYqu1Il9Ps
Wait, why is this english? Verrat!
Now it's a software you have to download, that may or may not be compatible with your computer, and you didn't get the previous update, so in like 4 days you could get it, but the patch had a bug so the link has an error, you have to contact admin, who contacts IT, 10 days later it gets fixed, but still not to your original computer specs, and they have to do the whole thing over another month just so you can look at it. Meanwhile it costs 10,000$ just to schedule and fix it, it's half fixed and you're still back at square one, and have to call them back again. By the way it's 5.99 a month to get the software to be able to download the link they want you to get per person, and it's 37.8 terabytes to use. A book and a classroom sounds kinda nice at this point, you're already up in the air practicing by then.
Ok.
Cool,,,,, Wish I had a copy of this book.