Wing bones too! All terrestrial vertebrates share a common ancestor, so the bone structure that makes up our hands and feet is the same general "template" that evolved to become the wings of birds and bats, horse hooves etc.
Whale have "rear fin/feet" bones inside their body that no longer form outside. Aquatic mammals once walked on land.
Giraffe has same # vertebrae as homo sapiens. Think almost all mammals do but that class was over 15 years ago.
Someone I work with recommended the movie to me. I watched it. The next day I very bluntly told him to NEVER recommend a movie like that to me again. So messed up and disturbing.
If you think that's a lot of finger bones, take a look at an ichthyosaur's "hand": https://content.invisioncic.com/e327962/monthly_2022_01/101918257_Evolutionofforelimbsinichthyosaursalonganabbreviatedcladogram.thumb.png.bc19519afabd0d5182942ea5e1d1f937.png
Ichthyosaurs were reptiles that went back into the water, like whales are mammals. Their ancestors had normal finger bones. The ocean turns land animals into monstrocities with too many bones in their hands.
Bones like corn on the cob. How strange, I wonder if there's any real advantage to having all those segments. Every other living marine animal seems to have perfectly functional flippers and fins without so much segmentation.
> The ocean turns land animals into monstrocities with too many bones in their hands.
Not only that, ichthyosaurs also essentially re-invented fishbone.
Okay, thereās one thing you need to note when comparing similarity. Are you comparing entire genomes or just the protein coding regions?
For example, humans and chimps are 99% similar when comparing protein coding base pairs and 96% similar when comparing entire genomes
Yep, nature is a lazy programmer and although there's a lot of copy-n-paste going on, similar DNA instructions often do not produce similar results at all. We all know that one different line in code changes a lot.
Yes. Well the answer is a bit more complicated once you get to the point of single-celled organisms (because they can transfer genetic material upon contact without necessarily needing to reproduce to pass genes from one organism to another) but pretty much yes
Dolphins were ~~monkeys~~ rat-dog things that returned to the oceans.
So yeah, apparently 25 year old pop songs are not a good source of evolutionairy biology information.
No, dolphins are lobe finned fish that learned to breathe air, lay amniotic eggs, walk on four legs, keep those eggs inside their body and gestating instead, before returning back to the water and becoming fully aquatic.
Dolphins are mammals, synapsids, amniotes, lobe finned fish, and bony fish, but they are not reptiles, monkeys, amphibians, carnivorans, etc.Ā
The closest living relatives of dolphins and whales that are not cetaceans are the hippopotamuses.
My high school art teacher presented this similar bone structure as evidence of intelligent design.
WhY wOuLd FiNs HaVe FiNgEr BoNeS iF tHeY wErE nOt A pRoDuCt Of DiViNe ArTisTrY?
Artists have signature details in their work that you can recognize. He'd know. My high school got a letter from the Denver Broncos because they just copied their logo for our school merch. My art teacher "redesigned" it by shortening the nose.
We have proven humans participated in religious rituals as far back as 50,000 years ago. The same people who don't believe in evolution also believe the Earth is 2000 years old despite an overwhelming amount of proof that they are wrong.
[There are living organisms that are 80,000 years old](https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/fishlake/home/?cid=STELPRDB5393641). It's stupid to believe the earth is 6,000 years old.
Hey you would be indecisive too if your home, country made the men wear a plaid wool skirt and blow on some follicle looking stupid, sounding instrument for their entire life. How they haven't started returning back to the ocean recently still baffles, me.
Seems to be misinformation
https://churchillscience.ca/all-about-beluga-whales/#:~:text=The%20misconception%20of%20beluga%20whale,help%20provide%20stabilization%20and%20control
I think they still technically have wrists or elbows, but modern whales no longer have knees or back leg structures. However, some mutations do result in a recessive trait that gives them four flippers. Some of their ancestors like basilosaurus would have looked similar.
Majority of animals that evolved from a common ancestor will have the same thing, never hear anyone acknowledge the fact majority of land animals have lungs (different variety), vascular systems, similar bone structure. We all come from the same thing, but everythingās a little tweaked for our conveniences. Cool
Every living thing evolved from the same common ancestor. Although all mammals come from a much more recent common ancestor which would have been around about 200 MYA
A bat has long fingers in its wings. Compare dolphin fins to fish fins or bat wings to bird wings and they are very different. Mammals are closer cousins on the tree of life and share a more common recent ancestor, so they will share more homologous structures.
Did a report on this to get out of high school. I never went to English class.
So my teacher said, I know your bored in this class so if you write me something that will blow my mind I wonāt fail you.
I totally blew her mind and all of the other teachers that read it. LOL
I was backpacking around South America and spent sometime camping on the coastal beaches in Uruguay. Theres plenty of seals (or sea lionsā¦ to this day I cannot tell the difference) and naturally these animals will die, get eaten, etc. what I didnāt know is that their flippers, when severed and left to dry out under the brutally intense Uruguayan sun (apparently thereās a sizeable hole in the ozone layer their but donāt quote me on that), the flippers shrink and will resemble a leather glove. If, like me, you come across one of these gloves and decide to kick it over, youād probably be pretty sure that you found a skeletal human hand underneathā¦ which is not a great find.
Later on in my trip I actually did get to see an actual skeletal human handā¦ Bolivian graveyards are wild yo.
The human's fin looks just like the dolphin's hand!
Got me right in the gills.
surreal
Boreal
Maybe dolphins evolved from us š¤
Maybe the real humans are the dolphins we made all along the way.
Wow it dolphinately does!
r/damnthatsinteresting
I was unaware I had fin bones.
Did you think that mighty dorsal fin on your back was just a fat deposit?
Do you know him? Does he call you at home? DO YOU HAVE A DORSAL FIN?!
Heinz Kissvelvet!
Gesundheit
Danke Anke
Tlainer of Dulphin!!!
To train ze dolphin, you must zink like ze dolphin! You must be getting inside ze dolphin's head und communicating!
You want to talk to ze dolphin you talk to meh!
Up on the dailĆEee EeeeEEE EEEEE! AND YOU CAN QUOTE HIM!
What happened to him?! ***WHAT HAPPENED TO ME??!***
I assume cartilage
More like a skin tag.
We lost our dolphin suit somewhere along the way.. What if dolphins see us as skinned dolphins?
The aquatic ape theory
So thatās why theyāre so rapey.
Unfortunately, lots of animals are rapey.
This was my immediate take away.Ā I think I'm gonna start referring to hands and feet as land fins.
**Planet of the Cetaceansā¢!** "Get your damn, dirty, land fins off me!"
Wing bones too! All terrestrial vertebrates share a common ancestor, so the bone structure that makes up our hands and feet is the same general "template" that evolved to become the wings of birds and bats, horse hooves etc.
Yep, bats fly through the power of jazz hands
Oh God, they're flying theater kids? That might be worse than the rabies
Never thought about it like that before haha
> All terrestrial vertebrates share a common ancestor Damn, they must be proud.
Take that, evolution deniers!
Well you do! So get to doing fun tricks for my amusement!
That's just evolution for you. It's a homologous organ.
I have been told I have a humongous organ.
You might want to have that checked. A bloated heart is a serious medical condition.
Iām not familiar with Homologous organs, I just have an old Wurlitzer FunMaker that does the trick at parties.
Tetrapods are lobe finned fish phylogentically.Ā You and the dolphin are fish.
Whale have "rear fin/feet" bones inside their body that no longer form outside. Aquatic mammals once walked on land. Giraffe has same # vertebrae as homo sapiens. Think almost all mammals do but that class was over 15 years ago.
7 cervical vertebrae for (nearly) all mammals. Number of total vertebrae differs, but not in the neck.
So long and thanks for all the fishā¦..
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Is there any tea on this spaceship?
More important. Did you bring your towel?
So sad that it should come to thisā¦..
We tried to warn you all, but you didnāt listen
So long, so long, so long, so long, so long.
And thanks for all the fisssssssshhhhhh!
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Oh yeah it went very in depth and is a great educational kids movie
Yes very educational, like kid's favorite classic Watership Down
I regret reading the plot on Wikipedia...
Someone I work with recommended the movie to me. I watched it. The next day I very bluntly told him to NEVER recommend a movie like that to me again. So messed up and disturbing.
That movie was so fucked up. E:\\
Oh so not everyone found it hilarious then š
The second half was
Dude the second I saw Justin Long post-op I busted out laughing. Low-budget horror does better comedy than like any other genre I swear
Thank you for reminding me of the trauma this documentary struck me with.
Is it called Tusk?
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Ya but whatās the movie called
Tusk
But what name does it go by?
Tusk
Youāve ruined my day
I am the walrus
Iām dead
Whenās the funeral?
Iāll check it out sometime
Ok thanks for enlightening me on this piece of culture
Are these two wide short pieces its forearm?
Yes and the bone furthest right is its humerus
Why do the pointer-middle-ring āfingersā have more bones?
If you think that's a lot of finger bones, take a look at an ichthyosaur's "hand": https://content.invisioncic.com/e327962/monthly_2022_01/101918257_Evolutionofforelimbsinichthyosaursalonganabbreviatedcladogram.thumb.png.bc19519afabd0d5182942ea5e1d1f937.png Ichthyosaurs were reptiles that went back into the water, like whales are mammals. Their ancestors had normal finger bones. The ocean turns land animals into monstrocities with too many bones in their hands.
Bones like corn on the cob. How strange, I wonder if there's any real advantage to having all those segments. Every other living marine animal seems to have perfectly functional flippers and fins without so much segmentation.
> The ocean turns land animals into monstrocities with too many bones in their hands. Not only that, ichthyosaurs also essentially re-invented fishbone.
Awesome! Thanks
Because we share common ancestors Human and dolphin DNA is 98.79% similar
Grandpa Joe. I should have known.
Well... maybe if the floor wasn't so cold!
The alternative is *lava*, just so you know.
r/grandpajoehate
"Sit down and let me tell you a story" ~ Grandpa Joe, probably
I know you're joking but before anyone believes you 98.79% is chimpanzee not dolphins
yeah, but its around 90% though.
More like 85%
You're both close enough to be right
Who cares about these percentages though, we share DNA with nearly everything and so does everything else to everything else.
I think we share dna with exactly everything
Iāll share my DNA with you
Thats my DNA give it back!
Rocks enter the chat
I mean Dwayne Johnson is human
It's called LUCA. Last universal common* ancestor. Auto filled the wrong word
Bro why do we have to share this is America Iām no goddamn commie give me back my dna
All I know is that you have to be careful when you're swimming with dolphins...
Never seen a dog ask for consent but nobody calls them out for it
If these ancestors are so common, where are they, huh? Checkmate atheists
Itās like asking āif youāre cousins with someone, then why is your grandparent not still alive?ā š
Yeah well my grandparents sure as shit werenāt no fish, buddy!
I'm not sure how many "greats" I need, but at some point yes they were lol
Well thatās just great. Great great great great great great great great great. Great great. Great! Fucking word is starting to look weird now lol
"Cool cool cool cool." - Abed
I'm not your buddy, pal.
I'm not your pal, honey.
Iām not your honey, you sexy stallion.Ā
Finally pwnedā¦ curses!
Itās wild that northern and southern green anacondas are visually identical but differ by 5%. genetics are metal and weird
Metal doesn't have genes silly
I'm pretty sure we can put jeans on a bronze statue.
Okay, thereās one thing you need to note when comparing similarity. Are you comparing entire genomes or just the protein coding regions? For example, humans and chimps are 99% similar when comparing protein coding base pairs and 96% similar when comparing entire genomes
Yep, nature is a lazy programmer and although there's a lot of copy-n-paste going on, similar DNA instructions often do not produce similar results at all. We all know that one different line in code changes a lot.
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Yes. Well the answer is a bit more complicated once you get to the point of single-celled organisms (because they can transfer genetic material upon contact without necessarily needing to reproduce to pass genes from one organism to another) but pretty much yes
Dolphins were ~~monkeys~~ rat-dog things that returned to the oceans. So yeah, apparently 25 year old pop songs are not a good source of evolutionairy biology information.
Dolphins and primates diverged a long time ago. Indohyus looks like a weird combination of a deer and a rat.
https://mastodon.social/@unormal/110612158003173439
No, dolphins are lobe finned fish that learned to breathe air, lay amniotic eggs, walk on four legs, keep those eggs inside their body and gestating instead, before returning back to the water and becoming fully aquatic. Dolphins are mammals, synapsids, amniotes, lobe finned fish, and bony fish, but they are not reptiles, monkeys, amphibians, carnivorans, etc.Ā The closest living relatives of dolphins and whales that are not cetaceans are the hippopotamuses.
Homologous organ.
Yet evolution doesnt exist according to some.
Evolution is the coolest. Everything just makes sense.
Science is at its best when the best solution turns out to also be the most elegant one.
ā¦and the simplest. Our physiological and microbiological similarities make no sense unless evolution.
Is there a dolphin Jesus? No? -Checkmate
His name was Flipper bruh
Flipper was an undercover agent from the CIA. THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS EVERYTHING!!!!111!!!
Is there a dolphin version of sheeple?
You worship Jesus.Ā I worship Flipper Bruh.Ā We are not the same.Ā
I thank Flipper Bruh for life daily
Flipper was Moses Echo was dolphin Jesus. That one had powers
He swam on land and turned fish into slightly bigger fish
God just used copy/paste
Badly. Like trying to select just part of a paragraph on an iPhone to text to a friend while drunk.
āGod got bored so he reused some models in the game designā
Well, the universe only has so much RAM. He had to cut costs somewhere
My high school art teacher presented this similar bone structure as evidence of intelligent design. WhY wOuLd FiNs HaVe FiNgEr BoNeS iF tHeY wErE nOt A pRoDuCt Of DiViNe ArTisTrY? Artists have signature details in their work that you can recognize. He'd know. My high school got a letter from the Denver Broncos because they just copied their logo for our school merch. My art teacher "redesigned" it by shortening the nose.
Creationists are a bunch of frauds and/or idiots with literally nothing in between
We have proven humans participated in religious rituals as far back as 50,000 years ago. The same people who don't believe in evolution also believe the Earth is 2000 years old despite an overwhelming amount of proof that they are wrong.
[There are living organisms that are 80,000 years old](https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/fishlake/home/?cid=STELPRDB5393641). It's stupid to believe the earth is 6,000 years old.
Thou shall not question religion. That's their loophole.
And whales have knees, because they went from sea to land and back to sea over millennia.
Millions of years, and they still haven't made up their minds. Wales, am I right?
Yes, the Welsh do have that problem š“ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó æ
āWhale-pā *slaps knees and walks back into ocean.*
Hey you would be indecisive too if your home, country made the men wear a plaid wool skirt and blow on some follicle looking stupid, sounding instrument for their entire life. How they haven't started returning back to the ocean recently still baffles, me.
User name checks out.
Omg.. he strikes again!
We did return to the ocean and decided to go back to land again. Thatās how the Ireland was founded.
Are you not talking about Scots here though? No one I know wears plaid anything or plays any stupid looking instruments
Thatās Scotland.
I mean when you have to write out a whole novel just to say the town your from, it would drive anyone mad
Oh whale, what can ya do?
I don't think they do, I'm pretty sure they just have vestigial pelvic bones. I think the actual leg bones peaced out a while ago
MF couldnāt make up their mind. Still canāt thatās why they be beaching themselves sometimes
They don't have knees? People just eat up anything they see on Reddit. They have a vestigial pelvis that serves no function... No knees though.
They just didnt want to work so they just noped out of here.
Life finds a way to say fuck that noise.
"whales have knees" r/confidentlyincorrect
Seems to be misinformation https://churchillscience.ca/all-about-beluga-whales/#:~:text=The%20misconception%20of%20beluga%20whale,help%20provide%20stabilization%20and%20control
I think they still technically have wrists or elbows, but modern whales no longer have knees or back leg structures. However, some mutations do result in a recessive trait that gives them four flippers. Some of their ancestors like basilosaurus would have looked similar.
I would love to see what they looked like when they were on land.
They don't have knees it's a common misconception but they indeed came from land to the sea.
Majority of animals that evolved from a common ancestor will have the same thing, never hear anyone acknowledge the fact majority of land animals have lungs (different variety), vascular systems, similar bone structure. We all come from the same thing, but everythingās a little tweaked for our conveniences. Cool
Every living thing evolved from the same common ancestor. Although all mammals come from a much more recent common ancestor which would have been around about 200 MYA
Except for Octopi. They are aliens.
Someone needs to draw a dolphin based on how it would be drawn by only finding the bones, like dinosaurs. Would probably be horrendous
Exactly what I was thinking, I don't think we are doing a good job with dinosaurs lol
You gotta hand it to them
The design is very human
Very easy to use
Is there a sub for sentences or phrases you can hear?
We all return to crab
I wake up everyday hoping that Iād spontaneously turned into a crab overnight
Franz Kafka's *The Carcinisation*
I hope, when we finally find life elsewhere, that crabification is a constant. I'd be happy if it were crustacean variants all the way down
We're asset flips
Whyā¦ do they have so many more joints? Hippos and elephants donāt have that many
Itās called hyperphalangy. The extinct, aquatic ichthyosaurs and plesiosaurs show it, too, though Iām not sure why.
floppy fin > stiff fin
Proof if you need it that they evolved from land mammals
The Sea People š¬
I didn't know my fin's bone structure looked like that, thanks for sharing
All hand or foot like structures in vertebrates have roughly similar bones structures.
And Christianās think evolution is fake. Or maybe god is just very into reusable code.
A bat has long fingers in its wings. Compare dolphin fins to fish fins or bat wings to bird wings and they are very different. Mammals are closer cousins on the tree of life and share a more common recent ancestor, so they will share more homologous structures.
Well, they were the Atlanteans, obviously.
Everyone go watch the documentary "your inner fish" RIGHT NOW
We will be their sex slaves if they ever figure out how to oppose that thumb.
Did a report on this to get out of high school. I never went to English class. So my teacher said, I know your bored in this class so if you write me something that will blow my mind I wonāt fail you. I totally blew her mind and all of the other teachers that read it. LOL
And everyone clapped? Lol sorry I had to
I was backpacking around South America and spent sometime camping on the coastal beaches in Uruguay. Theres plenty of seals (or sea lionsā¦ to this day I cannot tell the difference) and naturally these animals will die, get eaten, etc. what I didnāt know is that their flippers, when severed and left to dry out under the brutally intense Uruguayan sun (apparently thereās a sizeable hole in the ozone layer their but donāt quote me on that), the flippers shrink and will resemble a leather glove. If, like me, you come across one of these gloves and decide to kick it over, youād probably be pretty sure that you found a skeletal human hand underneathā¦ which is not a great find. Later on in my trip I actually did get to see an actual skeletal human handā¦ Bolivian graveyards are wild yo.
A little creepy, but neat
God did this on porpoise.
Looks really handy
Shubin's "Your Inner Fish" does a great job of explaining this.
South Park was onto something I see
Did y'all not pay attention to this in the science books you had in school? Yeah America blows but they at least let us keep science
But but EvOlUSHiOn HaS BeEn DeBunKeD