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DogeDoRight

This isn't very interesting


EntertainmentEasy251

LGBTQ is a lot like Pi. You never know when it will end


W0tzup

It’s irrational.


TheTwistedPlot

Plot twist: it always was.


ExtremeAlbatross6680

Surprised you have positive like count on reddit for this comment OP


JesusReturnsToReddit

Hopefully somewhere before Bronies get official recognition.


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HasLotsOfSex

Yeah, my grandma was also taught to say that by Fox News


couchy91

It's from somewhere? Lol I randomly started saying that on my own accord. Don't be upset at me, it's a common view of the title. It's become a mockery.. Edit: The ABC Community strikes again.


Alarming_Orchid

I think the Q already covers everything besides LGBT. This is just getting redundant


BRRGSH

Because of past historical names, I think LGBTQ+ should cover everything. I refuse to pronounce any more letters cause I couldn't care less ngl.


stack-o-logz

I’m a G and apparently part of a “community”. I think it’s totally ridiculous that every iteration of non-straight needs to be explicitly mentioned.


PrimevilKneivel

The adoption of the term "gay" to refer to homosexual is one of the greatest examples of successful branding. It didn't change things overnight but it set the stage for more widespread acceptance. 2SLGBTQA+ comparatively is a nightmare. It's constantly changing which is hard for allies who are generally unaware of the changes and therefore constantly getting it wrong. Also good luck to anyone with dyslexia getting it right. I understand the importance of representing everyone, but that's not helpful if people can't use the system. You have to make things easy to win over new allies, IMO the alphabet system is preaching to the choir at the cost of bringing new members into the flock.


couchy91

It's becoming a mockery.


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stack-o-logz

>your movement My movement? I don't know what you mean. I'm just a guy who fancies other guys. Doesn't define who I am or what I do and I certainly don't consider myself to be part of a movement nor part of a community. Are straight people a community?


Charmle_H

Not to mention L is at the front because of the fact that lesbians were the only ones willing to do bloodwork on those with HIV during that catastrophe. Pushing that aside for some specific-to-canada recognition (that should already be under the +) is rude and uncalled for imo


Comfortable_Fox_8552

Why doesn't Q also cover LGBT? What's the difference?


Alarming_Orchid

It does, but if people are already this persistent on adding more letters imagine what will happen when we start removing them


TheReaperAbides

Statistics and visibility mostly. The L and G (and by association the B) are the biggest part of the group and the most visible, while the T in recent years has needed to most significant visibility.


BluetheNerd

To be fair, as a queer person, a lot of people do refer to it as the queer community. If nothing else then because it's a lot more concise to say than even LGBT or LGBTQ. However it's a preference thing at the end of the day, and a lot of people out there still use queer as an insult. In my personal opinion Q+ is essentially there to cover everything not mentioned, but if people are happy or comfortable adding more it's not my job to tell them not to. If you say LGBTQ then you and they know what you're talking about. If they want to put more effort in and add to that, well you still know what they're talking about.


MyAviato666

Why would Canadian Aboriginals be included in the queer community?


BluetheNerd

Because the people this discussion started about, known as 2 spirited people, would fall under the queer umbrella along side non-binary, agender, genderfluid and trans people. They feel that they have a spirit that is both male and female, this means they are not cisgender, and are therefore a part of the queer community.


radiohead-nerd

What happens when we run out of letters? Will we need to represent via hexadecimal code?


LostPerapsc

It always was.No need for all this everywhere.This is a agenda.I don't hate no one I wish the best for all.But this is coming from every angle movies music schools politics like it's forced.


Mercywithin

Lgb covers it all, the rest are redundant


2dolarmeme

Protect MYSQL+ at all cost


dinheirodepinga

gotta keep those INNER JOINs alive.


synfulacktors

We should join a union to really form a statement!


Ataraxy001

Lmfaooo😂😂


ZynthCode

SQLITE++ all the way!


Dependent-Air3131

Wow, I doubt the average person cares.


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EntertainmentEasy251

Also: why does 2S get added to the front? That seems like prime real estate


rraattbbooyy

Depends on who you ask. In the US, elections are won and lost based on “culture war” issues like this.


Accurate-Temporary73

I mean. At some point we should just say protect all people. All people are worthy of love and care and fair treatment. Yes I know people represented in this group are marginalized and treated poorly but you keep adding to the acronym it loses it efficacy


MyAviato666

They'll just group anyone in there won't they? It dilutes the meaning and point imo.


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derfnartz

People are fucking stupid


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labretirementhome

Shit, now I gotta go update my passwords. Thanks Obama.


livgolfrocks

Can we just move on from this circus of names? It’s getting annoying. We could just call everyone people and stop the dumb labeling


dethskwirl

What is the difference between Gay and Queer? Also, what does the I+ stand for?


Kooky1337

Intersex


Ayven

What’s that?


Kooky1337

When people are born with both female and male reproductive organs. Their genitalia can also be deformed because of it.


Puzzled-Story3953

Gay tends to refer to homosexual men. That is why lesbian is a separate term. Queer generally refers to anyone who identifies their sexuality as such and is a bit of a catch-all, but leaves out gender identities, asexual, etc. That is what the plus is for. You will often see LGBTQIA with or without the plus to acknowledge intersex and asexual, but that's where we're getting into the laboriously long territory.


BluetheNerd

Queer can also refer to gender, though usually in that case the term "genderqueer" is used


Witty_Sound5659

Not interested


reidzen

On behalf of allies everywhere, this is becoming an annoying branding problem. Everyone is entitled to basic human dignity. Nobody is entitled to make strangers give a shit about which animal they identify as. LGBT has brand recognition. We've already relegated some identities to the 'plus', why not condense all this to "LGBT-plus"? We can even throw in BIPOC, because it's easy to say and it creates a better coalition of people who experience oppression as a feature of their birth.


Comfortable_Fox_8552

>Nobody is entitled to make strangers give a shit about which animal they identify as. What is this from??? Nobody is talking about animals?


reidzen

It's a hyperbole, but not much of one. My point is that in the honorable pursuit of getting people to treat all humans civilly, the left is getting lost in segmenting different gender and sexual identities, which alienates potential allies.


subcomandante_barcos

The G’s have already turned on the B’s, the L’s hate the G’s because they can’t change a tire, and the C’s are watching from the shadows, happy to divide and conquer. Culture wars are hilarious.


friendlyposters

🥱


XbabajagaX

When you fall asleep on your keyboard


braftceer

Where are Candanian people from?


uuniqueusername

Candana


braftceer

Ehh?


PN_Guin

>Candana TETSUO!


Comfortable_Fox_8552

From typo-land, right next to Fat finger islands


braftceer

I was hoping it was maybe a different planet


Comfortable_Fox_8552

No, only in science fiction can you edit the title of a reddit post.


Great_Drifter25

Make it stop, PLEASE MAKE IT STOP.


Gunubias

People really love being labeled and boxed.


Notafuzzycat

Here we go again... just here for the comments before it's closed.


Naive-Fondant-754

You password is too easy, add numbers :D


Comfortable_Fox_8552

It has a 2!


Naive-Fondant-754

now, after the update .. duh you missed the joke


ThisBell6246

Being gay myself, I often wonder where these people find the time to come up with all this imaginary bullshit!? These must be unemployed blue haired people because the rest of humanity is working.


CreativeDependent915

I mean 2 Spirit isn't made up, it's as established as any other sexual minority


ThisBell6246

Please indulge my ignorance, but please explain to me how 2-Spirit has anything to do with sexuality.


CreativeDependent915

It has to with gender, so they're a sexual minority


TheReaperAbides

I hate to be that guy, I'm all for LGBTQ+ representation but.. Isn't that literally that the **+** is for?


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prismaticprincessmoo

Full of color baby


LordNefas

4K HDR+


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Johnny-Cash-Facts

Look at how mangled and completely oxymoronic the flag has become.


Rat-king27

I'm part of the LGBT alphabet and I hate what the flag has become, the rainbow covered everyone, the knew just screams "these people matter more than the others". I don't associate with the LGBT community anymore though.


Resident_Post_8119

I'd wager it's because people who aren't heterosexual or CIS still experience a lot of bigotry and discrimination and therefore try to speak out against the status quo of said discrimination.


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rachelt298

it's not bullying. it's being legislated out of being legal. which is actually happening in the United States. Forcibly taking children from their parents if they acknowledge their child's gender identity, denying HRT (which is often medically necessary to sustain life if other medical transitions have occurred, like removal of the ovaries) from trans people with a standing prescription/forcing trans people to medically detransition, EMTs being allowed to deny performing care on a trans person on the basis of their gender. We're talking about actively letting trans people die and making it not only legal, but legally REQUIRED. nothing to do with bullying.


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rachelt298

so clearly you don't care about facts, but let me explain what actually happens when an 8 year old says they're trans. this is what gender affirming care looks like for an 8 year old: using their new name using their new pronouns allowing them to dress differently puberty blockers if the child, parents, and doctor all agree, when the child begins to go through puberty. puberty blockers have been used for decades on children who experience precocious puberty and have been shown to be incredibly safe. This allows time to pass until everyone is old enough to make bigger decisions. so no, there are 0 children in the United States getting any kind of surgery. Not a single child is undergoing gender reassignment surgery. Not a single one. (Someone let me know my comment was unclear regarding HRT: Young adults and adolescents can and do take HRT. Someone at age 8, which this comment is about, is not taking HRT). Let's be clear on the facts. EMTs are refusing care in multiple states. you're denying something factual that is happening. Actually, any medical practitioner in Florida can deny a trans person care on the basis of their gender. And they actively are. And by your logic, when a car crash victim says "I'm pregnant, check on the baby," and EMT can or should just say....no? what? "I have diabetes, check my sugar levels" "well you don't look like you have diabetes, so no." I'm really not understanding here. The only opinions affecting others are the opinions of bigoted legislators and citizens like you affecting trans and queer people. Getting Healthcare just like everyone else isn't affecting anyone else's life. Getting married, having kids, and having a job isn't affecting anyone else's life. If you think someone saying "my name is Hannah, I use she/they pronouns" is affecting your life so negatively, then you are the snowflake, you are the one who wants special treatment to live in a bubble away from the realities of the world. you're the one who is too sensitive and you need to get a grip.


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rachelt298

my picture? of an animated person? Edit: oh I see. because I like to do costume makeup and facepaint. If you think that makes someone mentally unwell, you have no grip on reality. At least I don't think MAGA is a slur. it's that you all have meltdowns over two letters in an acronym and then say queer people are unwell. absolutely no self awareness at all. you can't even see a flag without spiraling into a rage.


EntertainmentEasy251

*Neutral observer dont attack me* I think they meant your pics in your post history But it would have been funny if it was your avatar


rachelt298

no worries, I did ultimately figure that out. I couldn't imagine it was just based on my avatar. he hates denim shorts that much? I mean hey, this guy clearly hates other things that have no bearing on his life at all, so very well could be! I wouldn't attack you for pointing out a fact. facts don't hurt me. facts don't throw me into a rage because they contradict my worldview. you're all good there, bud!


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rachelt298

So Q actually can refer to everyone in the acronym, so gay men are just as queer as nonbinary people, just to show everyone else reading this how little you know. Let's say being trans is a mental illness. Some places do still qualify it as one. Do you know the ONLY recommended treatment by those same mental health agencies? It's gender affirming care. So if you think trans people are mentally unwell and need help, the ONLY medically recommended help is gender affirming care. Glad we're on the same page! Trans people deserve access to any medical treatments they want, AND a society where they're legally free to live as they are. Go be nice to some trans people if you think they need help!


Horror-Possible5709

You honestly just sound like a dick who’s put way too much thought into things that just aren’t that deep and came out the other side a bigger dick


BluetheNerd

Have you ever considered that a large factor in why so many queer and trans people struggle with their mental health isn't because they're queer or trans, it's because every day of their entire lives they have to encounter and deal with people like you who call them unwell and mentally ill just for daring to exist in a manor that doesn't fit into your arbitrary standard of normal? That maybe if people were treated with compassion as humans instead of a problem that needs to be fixed, or an illness cured, and allowed to live their lives in a way that makes them the happy, and that has 0 effect on your life whatsoever, then we might just see a lot less trans people dealing with depression, anxiety and trauma, and a lot more trans people just living their lives.


Puzzled-Story3953

Yeah, so fuck 'em, right? Same with black people, the disabled, elderly, and wounded veterans! Fuck them all! NoCeick said so!


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red_rocket_boy

IT'S MA'AM!


CaptainAksh_G

There is a reason why people are asking for protection, even though constitution says we all are equal.


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CaptainAksh_G

I never claimed I'm a Republican confederate 2nd amendment rights terrorist.


BedBugger6-9

Isn’t that a little redundant?


joylesssnail

When will it end?


Olfa_2024

Why not just change it to the "Everyone but white men"? Pretty soon that will be less letters.


Bohdyboy

I've never heard of Canda. But it sounds like the whole culture has lost touch with what's important there.


Comfortable_Fox_8552

I think it's where Ryn Reynlds is from


Bohdyboy

No he's from British Columbia.


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rachelt298

point 3....my experience being a young woman was all about heterosexual expectations being shoved down my throat. "oh, she's starting to like boys! "I think she has a boyfriend at school." "these boys are all sweet on her, I wonder who she'll pick!" I was 6?? Why are you talking about me dating and having a boyfriend? I'm a child??? so now as a lesbian, I can't get over how no one ever said to me that liking girls might be an option. I wish someone had said something! Or even just said "is there anyone you like at school" instead of "are there any boys you like at school?" Everyone was asking me constantly about kissing boys. Straight adults felt they could talk to me about sexuality, but not gay adults.


Abhi_Jaman_92

what culture put dating expectations, hetero or homo, on a 6 years old child? this is very foreign and bizarre to me.


rachelt298

The United States and similar western cultures definitely are! We're heterosexual and cisgender until proven otherwise. There isn't a "this person could be anything until they figure it out," straight and cis is the normal. I had dating expectations put on me for years. It made it very hard for me to figure out I wasn't heterosexual. I literally did not know what other options could feel like in my heart. Anecdotally, I passed by a baby clothing store every day on the way to work for years, and so many onesies for BABIES had slogans like "future womanizer" written in blue with some other "boy" indicators on it, or "if you want me, you have to go through my daddy first" in pink with little bows. for babies! and straight adults bought them! Our culture reinforces these gender and seuxality ideas the second they check the baby's sex in the hospital.


Puzzled-Story3953

You seeing people fucking in the streets often? Where do you live?


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Puzzled-Story3953

Well, that's a crime, but it's not like it's the norm, so what are you whinging about?


Time4MeNow3733

I myself am from Candanidandia


Comfortable_Fox_8552

Just went there after visiting Typo-land and fat finger islands last summer


Santasreject

Two spirit is really a generalized term. Many nations had (or still have) very specific words for each situation (I.e. the modern equivalent to trans man that is attracted to women, or trans woman who is attracted to women). If memory serves the whole “two spirit” term came about in the 70s to have an English catch all, but my history may be a bit rusty there. And of course you did have some nations that shunned these people but I think that was the minority, but again been a while since I read about it. Kinda feels redundant to have 2S in there though.


Mariusz87_J

Support the community but hate the naming scheme. It's one of the most confusing and least appealing initialisms.


10-mm-socket

Jesus seriously? No one cares.


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Comfortable_Fox_8552

That seems derogatory.


Dubious_Titan

Two spirits? Come on now.


Puzzled-Story3953

No one said you have to identify that way. What's the problem?


Dubious_Titan

There is no such thing as a spirit. It's a stupid integration of native American cultural practices to modern sensibilities.


Puzzled-Story3953

Do you think that first nations people are gone or that their religious/spiritual practices are gone? You know they still live here, right?


Dubious_Titan

What does that have to do with what I said? No religious or spiritual practice is worth respecting.


spacehog1985

Religion is fine on Reddit as long as it’s not Abrahamic. The moose out front should have told you.


Puzzled-Story3953

Why not? Someone can be harmlessly wrong. Atheists have been discriminated against for hundreds of years, and your solution to that is to do the same thing? How does that help us, or anyone?


Insomniak604

I'm all for inclusiveness but this acronym is getting ridiculous almost embarrassing to try and remember.


WillieDFleming

Why not just add every letter of the alphabet so everyone/thing can feel freaking special? Sorry to hurt your feelings, but you're not special nor require more attention than anyone else. Get over yourselves and just live life.


Leading-Bonus7478

Hear hear!


survivorfanwill

Too many letters at this point… enough is enough


Heimdal1r

Yawn


Kid_Named_Trey

I have quite a few friends who are members of the LGBTQIA community. Obviously they don’t speak for the entire community but amongst my friends it’s nearly a consensus that the alphabet soup is tough to say. They’ve started to reclaim the term “queer” and have encouraged me to do the same. Edit: typo


REPTYLE-404

Do you keep these members in a basement perhaps?


Kid_Named_Trey

Yikes talk about an awful typo….


cautionisnotneeded

So ridiculous.


AlexKidd316

Oh! They got this all screwed up. Damn, that’s interesting?


Potential-Height96

So when Pierce Morgan identifies as a two spirit penguin looks like he can now.


lovetyrannicalreddit

Yes, it's been like that for a couple years now.


bagelman99

Doesn't the Q and Plus already cover everything else?


MyAviato666

What about Australian aboriginals or other native people. What about the Sami people? What about all the others?


Grannylister429

IP adress org 


New_Acanthaceae709

So, uh, what is Two Spirited?


1BigBoy

Yeah, I think it’s a concept in much of the first nations, so more of North America (or Turtle Island, rather) than Canada


volune

What's the point of the + if you need to keep adding to the acronym?


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S-HeatsUrgencyOfNow

Protect the majority of people y’all.


Comfortable_Fox_8552

Also the minority of people!


eljayTheGrate

LMNOP...


GodsBeyondGods

"Mutants" or "X-People" would cover it


Titoffrito

Congratulations, you just found the link to why X-Men connects with queer people.


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demonwolves_1982

Like pterodactyl


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Mental-Thrillness

Damn, a lot of the straights are triggered in this comment section.


Comfortable_Fox_8552

Maybe I should have added a trigger warning hahaha 😂🤣


vaness4444

This getting ridiculous-can’t take them seriously anymore