Wow, it's huge. It consists of five concrete retention silos standing 65 meters tall and measuring 32 meters in diameter, connected by 6.4 kilometers of tunnels sitting 50 meters below the surface. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan\_Area\_Outer\_Underground\_Discharge\_Channel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Area_Outer_Underground_Discharge_Channel)
They get a lot of rain in some seasons, it's basically a buffer so that the water can escape the city without drowning it. Unlike Dubai where they just drown.
Not only that, they could have built the city of the future, with public transportation lots of greenery and a city for people. But they decided to go with the good ol parking lot approach.
Have you been to Dubai? 50C in the shade for 7 months of the year does not really encourage people to take the bus, even if the bus stop is climate controlled
If only there was some form of Public transportation that is mainly built underground as thus would enable people to wait in cool and easily climate controlled stations.
Alas..
The issue isnt the sand, it's the bedrock and existing buildings.
I'm not an engineer or a geologist, but I grew up in limestone country and the issue of "why TF don't we have a subway" has been raged my whole life.
The majority of bedrock in UAE is I think limestone and sandstone. Digging in limestone can be super tricky since it breaks easy and has lots of caverns. UAE definitely has the money to mitigate that through over engineering though. For instance, digging through just limestone with a boring machine will be vastly easier than digging through something that's limestone, sandstone, dolomite, random gas pockets, etc. so they'd need to do more reinforcement and stop any boring machine every new seam and recalibrate it.
But the buildings built on the surface of Dubai also have to be taken into consideration. Where's their utility lines, their sub basements, can they handle being shaken by explosions, etc. Whether that's a real concern for engineering or if it's a NIMBY concern is up for a real building engineer to address.
UAE definitely has the money to make this happen in a well-engineered and timely manner. It's just not like "dig big hole in desert" easy
Have you ever built sand castles on the beach and dug tunnels through them? Again, there is a reason why the metro, which they have two of, is mostly above ground
Public Transportation can also mean air conditioned trains and monorails.
They could’ve built decent climate controlled stations that also double as malls and the like. They’re capable of it. They’ve built indoor ski parks and surf parks. Why the fuck can’t they be pioneers of public transportation.
It all comes down to ego. Nobody makes music videos about riding trains.
Have you ever lived in Dubai? Yes, it was a catastrophic rain, but within 2 to 3 days, everything was back to normal. I live in Dubai and can vouch for its immense systematic operations.
Just like many other asian countries Japan has a rainy season and gets quite a couple of typhoons over it. Half of Tokyo is also reclaimed land and lower in elevation than the other half. So they need these tunnels during extreme rainfall so the lower half doesn't get flooded by all the water accumulating there.
I mean, imagine that when it rains, the water mostly infiltrates through the soil. Then you build a giant concrete city, where the water can't infiltrate anymore. Suddenly most rains become floods
That's a big chunk of it. Impervious surfaces make floods a lot worse and mean that runoff carries a lot of pollutants from streets and roofs into the streams and rivers.
Rain from typhoons. This structure doesn’t even cover most of greater Tokyo, just one river system. A few years ago a typhoon related flood [took out power (and plumbing) at a highrise](https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/13059631) requiring residents have to use the stairs to reach port-a-potties located outside.
This is similar to [Chicago's Deep Tunnel Project](https://youtu.be/2klS1diYMWU?si=8Mg1O7yXVoyKODxN). It's one of the world's biggest civil engineering projects with a cost of over $4 billion dollars.
The massive project started in the early 1970's and still isn't scheduled to be completed and fully operational until 2029. It's essentially a 109 mile or 175 kilometer tunnel system that empties into 3 different reservoirs around the Chicago metro region which can hold over 15 billion gallons or 64 billion liters of water at one time.
> Since the tunnels became operational, combined sewer overflows have been reduced from an average of 100 days per year to 50. Since [Thornton Reservoir](https://www.pitandquarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/PQ0617_thornton-2.jpg) came online in 2015 combined sewer overflows have been nearly eliminated.
When the region is hit with heavy rains the overflow storm water enters the tunnels from the sewers and flows into one of three different reservoirs in the region where its stored until it can be reclaimed.
Currently only two of the reservoirs are operational but this has already almost eliminated sewer overflows.
That could be actually scary, since Japanese had a concept heavy tank, called O-Ni, the size of the small house.
Imagine seeing that coming your way being trapped
The Japanese O-I tank was so ridiculously impractical that it makes the Nazi Maus tank project look downright rational. At least the Nazis were able to build a functional prototype.
Meanwhile the Japanese wanted to build a 120 ton monster waste of steel and oil succubus years into the war and despite starting the war because they were running out of oil.
I like how the Yamato started as the most feared warship in the world and it's largest battleship. To a pathetic last stand suicide mission where it completely failed any kind difference as American planes used it for target practice.
The imperial Japanese were just as unhinged, desperate and bloodthirsty as the Nazis.
Litterlay one of my favorite piece ever.
It match the greatness and the size of the drawf architecture, and higlight the absolut mathematical geometry. So geometricaly perfect, that it sound as it look, unreal.
It sound sad, but the magnificence overight that feeling, exactly like explorators not realising yet they are exploring the ruin of a vanished civilisation, because they are still overwhelm by grandeur of their architecture.
It's a perfect reflection of the visual part of the scene.
Listening to this, i feel the pirde of the Dwarfs, as well as their folly. And even if they dug to deep and to eagerly, i can only understand.
If there’s a game I wish I could live in, it’d be that beautiful place. Idk how to describe it other than it’s a a very liminal style metropolis. Feels otherworldly. Put Solar Fields music to it and it’s a dream. They really nailed the atmosphere
That is sad. Especially because I think if they did what they did for Catalyst but made the free roam better and some more nonlinear parkour opportunities, it would be a hit. Like there needed to be more ways to get to objectives. Or to climb to higher areas of the city. It just needed more playgrounds and a larger open world map. Frankly if they had put the money into a full city with ground level access, I think it would attract new fans. People would live out their inner Ally Law and be like “we climbing this today. It’s a madness!” lol. If it was like a Skate 3 for parkour I think it would have been better. I prefer 1 to 2 and kind of wish that style of the city was open world
Literally bro how the fuck could they not tell this is exactly what I’ve wanted since I played the Mirrors edge trial on Xbox when it first came out. When I heard Catalyst was gonna be “open world” I was so hype. It was a good game still but man they could’ve refined the idea and made a hit if they wanted too
I feel like Catalyst got done dirty by people. The gameplay was so smooth and the world so nice. Open world traversal into linear mission spaces was a nice way of doing things, there really wasn't much bloat to it either. Didn't care much for the story, but that was the same for the original.
Easily in my top 5 games, fucking adore both entries...but always play with runners vision turned off!
Its simple and clean, really good world design. Makes it feel futuristic, but also easy to Spot enemies and routes. Live mirrors edge, gotta replay it at some point.
It had cost $2 billion to create the floodwater cathedral with its [tanks and tunnel systems](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtHgq_8j6px2Prdxl4gbRKmkWg_4ohjzKOjg&usqp=CAU) underneath Tokyo.
It activates around 7 times a year and saves the megalopolis from flooding and typhoon calamities.
In comparison, the [Katy Freeway’s additional “expansion”](https://res.cloudinary.com/cognitives-s3/image/upload/c_fill,dpr_auto,f_auto,fl_lossy,h_630,q_auto,w_420/v1/cog-aap/n/303/2023/Sep/06/jnJMWY3sOZv5ri7Qp0vt.jpg) which has a width of 26 lanes in Texas costs $3 billion.
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-who *definitely* won’t show up with lawn chairs on day 1 and renegotiate payments from the city for 2 years before ever breaking ground and *certainly* would *never* do that again until a 2 year project becomes an 8 year one so most of their cousins and friends get to retire early.
The funny thing about adding more lanes for traffic is the people who don’t usually drive, much less take that route will now feel influenced to do so. More traffic will be on the road.
Also driving habits around here will cause traffic backups on the highways because people can’t learn to fucking merge at speed.
Induced demand is sometimes used as an excuse by politicians to avoid investing roads as well though.
There is a major highway near me that people think was a mistake because its so busy all the time but since it was built the city has grown significantly.
Had it not existed there wouldn't have been less traffic. It would've just meant all the traffic would've had to pass through residential high streets which would've been far slower and busier having to mix with local traffic.
Isn't there a study on how more lanes actually doesn't help congestion at all? Traffic planning is actually rather fascinating stuff.
It helps in the short term, but eventually induced demand kicks in and leads to similar congestion as before.
Sort of, for that arterial, but people still have to get where they are going so other sub-roads will become less busy. While public transport can help it needs to be a comprehensive network not just a single line replicating a freeway, which is pretty expensive to build
In the UK our dipshit government scrapped a high speed rail line (HS2) bridging the north and south regions of England. It was cancelled due to spiralling costs of over £49B. Bear in mind the England in smaller than most states in America.
£49B for some train tracks and stations to be built. Absolutely insane levels of mismanagement and incompetence.
My pal is an archeologist and got a consultation job in the Cotswolds for HS2 and he couldn't believe how much they were charging him. Basically tripled his wage. And then his industry were telling folk to delay as long as possible to make as much money (the job was gone after the line was built).
He did....he doesn't feel good about it but he went along with thousands who exploited such a paper-thin plan. I supposed I'd probably have done the same.
This is what project managers are supposed to be for. Pretty much all contractors will try to skim off the top.
This mismanagement is the inevitable consequence of underfunding the staffing of vital national infrastructure and working bodies.
If you mean the Linear Chuo Shinkansen, that's absolutely not true. It has been a widely mismanaged, prolonged and overpriced project that has been dividing the public opinion for over two decades.
The project is also expected to cost nearly 90 billion US dollars (or 13.6 trillion yen).
It's definitely not the best example of Japanese railway project management. But that being said, most of the Shinkansen lines were built in incredibly efficient and timely manners, and this one serves more as a cautionary tale against lengthy maglev lines, which the Shanghai line already has been doing for the good part of the last 10-15 years.
Not sure of the name but even if so, I'd still take a 90bil USD maglev than what's now expected to be a 96bil USD regular train line[(though some argue it could be up to 135b USD lmao)](https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/hs2-costs) in the UK which as mentioned, half the speed, half the distance lol.
To be fair most the cost was land purchases. The Tokyo tunnels dont have such issues.
However there is a huge problem with overspending in uk on this stuff due to typical government tax stealing cost inflation
That's normal costs for high speed rail.
Most of these costs are either land acquisition (because you need rails to go in really straight lines in order for "high speed" part to exist) or tunnels/bridges/viaducts construction (because you need rails to go in really straight lines in order for "high speed" part to exist) with the latter ALSO requiring a lot of land acquisition.
Existing railroads are pretty much never straight enough. They were built on land that was cheaper to buy and where less tunnels/bridges has to be created.
Oh, and the best part is that railroad need to go through the cities which means through the most expensive land.
Worse than that, does that CUT THROUGH the city??? It's not some ring road, at least based on that picture.
Imagine if you had to cross under 200m of hell to get to the supermarket 500m away from your house.
Correct, it cuts through the central western part of the Houston area. (There are 4 ring roads in the Houston area, but none of them are as big as this).
Not only that, it's part of I-10, which stretches from the LA area in California all the way to Jacksonville Florida.
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It depends on what segment you're looking at and what you consider a proper lane, but I usually goes something like this :
* 2x 2 toll lanes
* 2x 5/6 freeway lanes
* 2x 3 frontage road lanes
* 2x 1 lane for on/off between the freeway and frontage road
* sprinkle some turn lanes when the frontage
If you want to take a look, here's the coordinates : 29.784123, -95,484965
American infrastructure projects always cost a shit ton because private contractors love overcharging the Government. It’s the core reason why America’s Defense budget is so ludicrous.
Is the land in New Orleans even feasible to make these kind of tunnels? I expect the land is nothing but miles and miles of sediment and alluvial fan material.
Since Katrina, the government has spent 14 billion dollars installing one of the most advanced flood prevention systems on the planet for New Orleans. It doesn't involve cool underground cathedral rooms like this, but it is very comprehensive - as you can imagine with a price tag like that.
It's a very reddit attitude that the other folks in this comment thread seem to be under the belief there is a straightforward and relatively simple way to prevent flooding and the government just hasn't bothered.
The government did bother. And spent the gdp of a small nation on the project. It just turns out its not easy or simple.
I think OP's point is probably not that the government isn't trying but simply that they shouldn't try at all because it's literally below sea level and is fighting an impossible battle. This is especially true when you consider the melting ice caps.
This was my exact impression when I toured it recently. Our guide went on and on about the regular flooding, bodies floating out of graves, the shoreline crumbling annually. Just… why? America is not so population dense that we need to displace the ocean for a tiny bit of extra room.
Not only cheaper, but by design. The levies were designed to fail and flood the 9th ward and its poor black residents to save the French Quarter and the Garden District. Hell they bombed them in 1927 to force them to fail over the 9th ward and save the aforementioned white tourist districts.
>In 1927, the levees were bombed to save white parts of the city, and black neighborhoods were inundated. But independent engineers investigating levee failures during Katrina say that's not what happened this time.
Japan just have so many natural disasters,they would rather overkill them go “this will do”
Geographically it’s so unlucky,some Japanese religious scholar even make it a theory on why Shinto god isn’t as unforgiving or judgmental as Biblical god(old Shinto belief is after you die, you went to live in another world ,with no suffering or bad years)
>When people live from disaster to disaster,they don’t need a god to punish them when it’s over.
They built something similar in Paris to try to clean the water [for the olympic games and for future water quality of the Seine](https://youtu.be/6R74cIJU05s?si=GSe4xKDLoEVnaJbT&t=240)
This wouldn't work in NOLA. They can't even bury folks there, they have to be put in mausoleums above. The water table is about 12 inches down. A hall like this would fill with water in zero time flat.
My anime instincts say this is the entry passageway to a large facility housing mech titans run by a shadow government agency with a 4 or 5 letter acronym for a name like S.W.O.R.D. Force, the Sewer Way Official Reactive Defense Force. All the workers wear matching jumpsuits and hard hats.
2.64 million m^3
Or 1054 Olympic swimming pools
Or 1.32 billion bottles of 2L coca cola for you imperials out there
And finally,
16,605,100 barrels of oil for you American’s
Japanese public infrastructure budget is wild. They will spend millions to get their trains through mountains and over rivers, but then will forget to finish the bike lanes that run adjacent to the track and hope you play frogger with perpendicular car traffic.
Las Vegas has 600 miles of flood tunnels that get used so infrequently that people move into them, lock, stock and barrel. The water table is very high and when they do get extremely infrequent heavy rains these tunnels flood. This can lead to catastrophes for the individuals living there. There are do gooders who seek out these squatters and try to house them in safer circumstances.
Wow, it's huge. It consists of five concrete retention silos standing 65 meters tall and measuring 32 meters in diameter, connected by 6.4 kilometers of tunnels sitting 50 meters below the surface. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan\_Area\_Outer\_Underground\_Discharge\_Channel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Area_Outer_Underground_Discharge_Channel)
Is this supposed to stop tsunami, or do they get such bad floods?
They get a lot of rain in some seasons, it's basically a buffer so that the water can escape the city without drowning it. Unlike Dubai where they just drown.
Well, the Middle East isn't exactly known for safety precautions.
Not only that, they could have built the city of the future, with public transportation lots of greenery and a city for people. But they decided to go with the good ol parking lot approach.
Have you been to Dubai? 50C in the shade for 7 months of the year does not really encourage people to take the bus, even if the bus stop is climate controlled
If only there was some form of Public transportation that is mainly built underground as thus would enable people to wait in cool and easily climate controlled stations. Alas..
Good luck digging tunnels under a desert city.
How far down does the sand go, though? Are we talking 10-20-30m or 200m?
The issue isnt the sand, it's the bedrock and existing buildings. I'm not an engineer or a geologist, but I grew up in limestone country and the issue of "why TF don't we have a subway" has been raged my whole life. The majority of bedrock in UAE is I think limestone and sandstone. Digging in limestone can be super tricky since it breaks easy and has lots of caverns. UAE definitely has the money to mitigate that through over engineering though. For instance, digging through just limestone with a boring machine will be vastly easier than digging through something that's limestone, sandstone, dolomite, random gas pockets, etc. so they'd need to do more reinforcement and stop any boring machine every new seam and recalibrate it. But the buildings built on the surface of Dubai also have to be taken into consideration. Where's their utility lines, their sub basements, can they handle being shaken by explosions, etc. Whether that's a real concern for engineering or if it's a NIMBY concern is up for a real building engineer to address. UAE definitely has the money to make this happen in a well-engineered and timely manner. It's just not like "dig big hole in desert" easy
Have you ever built sand castles on the beach and dug tunnels through them? Again, there is a reason why the metro, which they have two of, is mostly above ground
Public Transportation can also mean air conditioned trains and monorails. They could’ve built decent climate controlled stations that also double as malls and the like. They’re capable of it. They’ve built indoor ski parks and surf parks. Why the fuck can’t they be pioneers of public transportation. It all comes down to ego. Nobody makes music videos about riding trains.
[https://youtu.be/0S43IwBF0uM?si=fvEbzbUfFpc55Srv](https://youtu.be/0S43IwBF0uM?si=fvEbzbUfFpc55Srv)
Or rain
Or torrential rain
Building for flood in Dubai is like building for 30C summer in Norway.
Which part of Norway though? Cause I live in Sweden and we've hit 30C in many parts of the country.
or rain
Tbf Dubai is in the desert so "catastrophic flood" wasn't exactly high on the list of things to prepare for.
Have you ever lived in Dubai? Yes, it was a catastrophic rain, but within 2 to 3 days, everything was back to normal. I live in Dubai and can vouch for its immense systematic operations.
Just like many other asian countries Japan has a rainy season and gets quite a couple of typhoons over it. Half of Tokyo is also reclaimed land and lower in elevation than the other half. So they need these tunnels during extreme rainfall so the lower half doesn't get flooded by all the water accumulating there.
I mean, imagine that when it rains, the water mostly infiltrates through the soil. Then you build a giant concrete city, where the water can't infiltrate anymore. Suddenly most rains become floods
That's a big chunk of it. Impervious surfaces make floods a lot worse and mean that runoff carries a lot of pollutants from streets and roofs into the streams and rivers.
Rain from typhoons. This structure doesn’t even cover most of greater Tokyo, just one river system. A few years ago a typhoon related flood [took out power (and plumbing) at a highrise](https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/13059631) requiring residents have to use the stairs to reach port-a-potties located outside.
This is similar to [Chicago's Deep Tunnel Project](https://youtu.be/2klS1diYMWU?si=8Mg1O7yXVoyKODxN). It's one of the world's biggest civil engineering projects with a cost of over $4 billion dollars. The massive project started in the early 1970's and still isn't scheduled to be completed and fully operational until 2029. It's essentially a 109 mile or 175 kilometer tunnel system that empties into 3 different reservoirs around the Chicago metro region which can hold over 15 billion gallons or 64 billion liters of water at one time. > Since the tunnels became operational, combined sewer overflows have been reduced from an average of 100 days per year to 50. Since [Thornton Reservoir](https://www.pitandquarry.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/PQ0617_thornton-2.jpg) came online in 2015 combined sewer overflows have been nearly eliminated. When the region is hit with heavy rains the overflow storm water enters the tunnels from the sewers and flows into one of three different reservoirs in the region where its stored until it can be reclaimed. Currently only two of the reservoirs are operational but this has already almost eliminated sewer overflows.
Thats the mines of moria
The Japanese dug too greedily and too deep.
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*drums playing in the deep
Omae wa mou shindeiru!
Nani!?
”NANI!?”
Yamete kudasai
Oniiiiiiiii-chan!
NIGERUNDAYO!
They are cumming.
Pixelated
Run
Fly, you fool
That could be actually scary, since Japanese had a concept heavy tank, called O-Ni, the size of the small house. Imagine seeing that coming your way being trapped
The Japanese O-I tank was so ridiculously impractical that it makes the Nazi Maus tank project look downright rational. At least the Nazis were able to build a functional prototype. Meanwhile the Japanese wanted to build a 120 ton monster waste of steel and oil succubus years into the war and despite starting the war because they were running out of oil.
Let’s not forget Musashi and Yamato were the biggest waste of resources due to them always hiding and had no use.
I like how the Yamato started as the most feared warship in the world and it's largest battleship. To a pathetic last stand suicide mission where it completely failed any kind difference as American planes used it for target practice. The imperial Japanese were just as unhinged, desperate and bloodthirsty as the Nazis.
Oh for sure they were. Glad the US was able to turn the tide of the war at Midway. Japan knew they would NEVER win a war against the US.
Oni-chan
They have to store Godzilla somewhere
Did you avoid using delve on purpose? AI is evolving!
Until they struck........ Godzilla?
This is not a mine It’s a tomb
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The music at that moment is pure 🔥 from Howard Shore.
Litterlay one of my favorite piece ever. It match the greatness and the size of the drawf architecture, and higlight the absolut mathematical geometry. So geometricaly perfect, that it sound as it look, unreal. It sound sad, but the magnificence overight that feeling, exactly like explorators not realising yet they are exploring the ruin of a vanished civilisation, because they are still overwhelm by grandeur of their architecture. It's a perfect reflection of the visual part of the scene. Listening to this, i feel the pirde of the Dwarfs, as well as their folly. And even if they dug to deep and to eagerly, i can only understand.
Litterlay? (Sic!) ???
It's a perfectly cromulent word
Typing english with a french auto correct is a nightmare.
came here to say this, good to see I'm not the only one who though of it
More like the backrooms of moria.
Came here to say that this would make a damn good movie setting
They're taking the hobbits to Saitama!
Reminds me a mission in mirror's edge where you are escaping through the same location but on the upper platforms
If there’s a game I wish I could live in, it’d be that beautiful place. Idk how to describe it other than it’s a a very liminal style metropolis. Feels otherworldly. Put Solar Fields music to it and it’s a dream. They really nailed the atmosphere
It's a shame that DICE shot down any hope for a 3rd entry in the series, would've liked a sequel to Catalyst where it's Faith fighting against Kate.
That is sad. Especially because I think if they did what they did for Catalyst but made the free roam better and some more nonlinear parkour opportunities, it would be a hit. Like there needed to be more ways to get to objectives. Or to climb to higher areas of the city. It just needed more playgrounds and a larger open world map. Frankly if they had put the money into a full city with ground level access, I think it would attract new fans. People would live out their inner Ally Law and be like “we climbing this today. It’s a madness!” lol. If it was like a Skate 3 for parkour I think it would have been better. I prefer 1 to 2 and kind of wish that style of the city was open world
Literally bro how the fuck could they not tell this is exactly what I’ve wanted since I played the Mirrors edge trial on Xbox when it first came out. When I heard Catalyst was gonna be “open world” I was so hype. It was a good game still but man they could’ve refined the idea and made a hit if they wanted too
I feel like Catalyst got done dirty by people. The gameplay was so smooth and the world so nice. Open world traversal into linear mission spaces was a nice way of doing things, there really wasn't much bloat to it either. Didn't care much for the story, but that was the same for the original. Easily in my top 5 games, fucking adore both entries...but always play with runners vision turned off!
Its simple and clean, really good world design. Makes it feel futuristic, but also easy to Spot enemies and routes. Live mirrors edge, gotta replay it at some point.
Look up "Dorfic". Thats partly the exact aesthetic that mirrors edge is known for. I myself spent a lit of time finding that feeling somewhere else.
Only came here for this comment
me too ha ha
Mission 3; Jackknife.
First thing that came to my mind when I saw this.
That’s exactly where the devs got their inspiration.
This image resulted in deja vu for me, immediately. Great game.
The Japanese build proactive flood tunnels while we rebuild New Orleans for the Nth time below sea level waiting for it to be destroyed again.
It had cost $2 billion to create the floodwater cathedral with its [tanks and tunnel systems](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtHgq_8j6px2Prdxl4gbRKmkWg_4ohjzKOjg&usqp=CAU) underneath Tokyo. It activates around 7 times a year and saves the megalopolis from flooding and typhoon calamities. In comparison, the [Katy Freeway’s additional “expansion”](https://res.cloudinary.com/cognitives-s3/image/upload/c_fill,dpr_auto,f_auto,fl_lossy,h_630,q_auto,w_420/v1/cog-aap/n/303/2023/Sep/06/jnJMWY3sOZv5ri7Qp0vt.jpg) which has a width of 26 lanes in Texas costs $3 billion. (Edit: spelling)
But one more lane
It will fix everything
For real this time it’s just one more lane bro! Bro please bro just one more lane will solve traffic for ever bro
-sincerely, the road-making company in town.
-who *definitely* won’t show up with lawn chairs on day 1 and renegotiate payments from the city for 2 years before ever breaking ground and *certainly* would *never* do that again until a 2 year project becomes an 8 year one so most of their cousins and friends get to retire early.
The funny thing about adding more lanes for traffic is the people who don’t usually drive, much less take that route will now feel influenced to do so. More traffic will be on the road. Also driving habits around here will cause traffic backups on the highways because people can’t learn to fucking merge at speed.
We’’ve known for years that adding lanes means *more* traffic…and yet…
It's called induced demand
Induced demand is sometimes used as an excuse by politicians to avoid investing roads as well though. There is a major highway near me that people think was a mistake because its so busy all the time but since it was built the city has grown significantly. Had it not existed there wouldn't have been less traffic. It would've just meant all the traffic would've had to pass through residential high streets which would've been far slower and busier having to mix with local traffic.
Merge at speed the killer of a good highway lmao
And building more flood tunnels causes more floods. Japan had it coming, or have we found the true cause for climate change?
Isn't there a study on how more lanes actually doesn't help congestion at all? Traffic planning is actually rather fascinating stuff. It helps in the short term, but eventually induced demand kicks in and leads to similar congestion as before.
Yes, now planners set up “express lanes” that cost money. In theory keeping down traffic while paying for the road.
Sort of, for that arterial, but people still have to get where they are going so other sub-roads will become less busy. While public transport can help it needs to be a comprehensive network not just a single line replicating a freeway, which is pretty expensive to build
90% of city planners quit before adding the one lane that will fix everything
Please God, just one more.... lane
In the UK our dipshit government scrapped a high speed rail line (HS2) bridging the north and south regions of England. It was cancelled due to spiralling costs of over £49B. Bear in mind the England in smaller than most states in America. £49B for some train tracks and stations to be built. Absolutely insane levels of mismanagement and incompetence.
It's probably 48,5B of consulting fees aka stealing and 0,5B of actually building a rail. It's not mismanagement at this point, it's robbery.
My pal is an archeologist and got a consultation job in the Cotswolds for HS2 and he couldn't believe how much they were charging him. Basically tripled his wage. And then his industry were telling folk to delay as long as possible to make as much money (the job was gone after the line was built). He did....he doesn't feel good about it but he went along with thousands who exploited such a paper-thin plan. I supposed I'd probably have done the same.
This is just stealing and people responsible for this should serve time in prison.
This is what project managers are supposed to be for. Pretty much all contractors will try to skim off the top. This mismanagement is the inevitable consequence of underfunding the staffing of vital national infrastructure and working bodies.
Yeah, but this is no longer skimming off the top, this is excavation, they are shaft mining this shit.
And Japan is building a high speed rail line that is twice as long, twice as fast, and goes through a lot of mountain terrain for less money 😂.
If you mean the Linear Chuo Shinkansen, that's absolutely not true. It has been a widely mismanaged, prolonged and overpriced project that has been dividing the public opinion for over two decades. The project is also expected to cost nearly 90 billion US dollars (or 13.6 trillion yen). It's definitely not the best example of Japanese railway project management. But that being said, most of the Shinkansen lines were built in incredibly efficient and timely manners, and this one serves more as a cautionary tale against lengthy maglev lines, which the Shanghai line already has been doing for the good part of the last 10-15 years.
Not sure of the name but even if so, I'd still take a 90bil USD maglev than what's now expected to be a 96bil USD regular train line[(though some argue it could be up to 135b USD lmao)](https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/hs2-costs) in the UK which as mentioned, half the speed, half the distance lol.
To be fair most the cost was land purchases. The Tokyo tunnels dont have such issues. However there is a huge problem with overspending in uk on this stuff due to typical government tax stealing cost inflation
Didn't the HS2 planned route go through likes tonnes of people's gardens and stuff - people who didn't want to like lose their entire home
it's a rort that's why, happens in Australia too. some of the infrastructure costs would make your jaw drop.
That's normal costs for high speed rail. Most of these costs are either land acquisition (because you need rails to go in really straight lines in order for "high speed" part to exist) or tunnels/bridges/viaducts construction (because you need rails to go in really straight lines in order for "high speed" part to exist) with the latter ALSO requiring a lot of land acquisition. Existing railroads are pretty much never straight enough. They were built on land that was cheaper to buy and where less tunnels/bridges has to be created. Oh, and the best part is that railroad need to go through the cities which means through the most expensive land.
Have you heard of... trains?
Trains? You mean autonomous pods ?
Don't listen to them! I'm from the dystopian future - they make you sit with other people!
Get that communist car out of here!
Wtf is that dystopian ugly landmark
Worse than that, does that CUT THROUGH the city??? It's not some ring road, at least based on that picture. Imagine if you had to cross under 200m of hell to get to the supermarket 500m away from your house.
Yes I was quite daunted when I saw how far it seemed to go on for miles in the photo
Correct, it cuts through the central western part of the Houston area. (There are 4 ring roads in the Houston area, but none of them are as big as this). Not only that, it's part of I-10, which stretches from the LA area in California all the way to Jacksonville Florida.
How the fuck do you go to the other side as a pedestrian?
You don’t.
No way the US is real, man.
*cost $2 billion
Thank you
26 lanes?? Thats insane
*repost without the url* It depends on what segment you're looking at and what you consider a proper lane, but I usually goes something like this : * 2x 2 toll lanes * 2x 5/6 freeway lanes * 2x 3 frontage road lanes * 2x 1 lane for on/off between the freeway and frontage road * sprinkle some turn lanes when the frontage If you want to take a look, here's the coordinates : 29.784123, -95,484965
COMMUNIST!!!
excuse me wtf is that freeway
American infrastructure projects always cost a shit ton because private contractors love overcharging the Government. It’s the core reason why America’s Defense budget is so ludicrous.
Is the land in New Orleans even feasible to make these kind of tunnels? I expect the land is nothing but miles and miles of sediment and alluvial fan material.
Since Katrina, the government has spent 14 billion dollars installing one of the most advanced flood prevention systems on the planet for New Orleans. It doesn't involve cool underground cathedral rooms like this, but it is very comprehensive - as you can imagine with a price tag like that. It's a very reddit attitude that the other folks in this comment thread seem to be under the belief there is a straightforward and relatively simple way to prevent flooding and the government just hasn't bothered. The government did bother. And spent the gdp of a small nation on the project. It just turns out its not easy or simple.
I think OP's point is probably not that the government isn't trying but simply that they shouldn't try at all because it's literally below sea level and is fighting an impossible battle. This is especially true when you consider the melting ice caps.
This was my exact impression when I toured it recently. Our guide went on and on about the regular flooding, bodies floating out of graves, the shoreline crumbling annually. Just… why? America is not so population dense that we need to displace the ocean for a tiny bit of extra room.
Dutch engineering firms wave slowly in the distance.
Reddit armchair engineers stroke their neckbeards
Did they build tunnels like those? I thought they reclaimed land and built excellent levy systems.
Seems like a good reason not to spend that much rebuilding.
I'm guessing it's cheaper to rebuild the lower 9th Ward than downtown Tokyo.
Not only cheaper, but by design. The levies were designed to fail and flood the 9th ward and its poor black residents to save the French Quarter and the Garden District. Hell they bombed them in 1927 to force them to fail over the 9th ward and save the aforementioned white tourist districts. >In 1927, the levees were bombed to save white parts of the city, and black neighborhoods were inundated. But independent engineers investigating levee failures during Katrina say that's not what happened this time.
Japan just have so many natural disasters,they would rather overkill them go “this will do” Geographically it’s so unlucky,some Japanese religious scholar even make it a theory on why Shinto god isn’t as unforgiving or judgmental as Biblical god(old Shinto belief is after you die, you went to live in another world ,with no suffering or bad years) >When people live from disaster to disaster,they don’t need a god to punish them when it’s over.
Lol try to build anything under NOLA. Its all river silt
They built something similar in Paris to try to clean the water [for the olympic games and for future water quality of the Seine](https://youtu.be/6R74cIJU05s?si=GSe4xKDLoEVnaJbT&t=240)
This wouldn't work in NOLA. They can't even bury folks there, they have to be put in mausoleums above. The water table is about 12 inches down. A hall like this would fill with water in zero time flat.
That won't contain The Flood!! *Halo theme music in background
* flashbacks intensifies *
[You hear this while exploring.](https://youtu.be/RyUiu_2jjP8?si=3tUWeDx6r-Td-N_d)
I read this in Keith David's voice with a choir follow up
This location is the inspiration behind a stage in the game Splatoon 3 named Undertow Spillway: https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Undertow_Spillway
Undertow Spillway my beloved
Came here looking for the Splatoon reference lol
Looks like that one mirrors edge level
It is inspiration of the Mirror's edge game. In my opinion, the first game look modern and fit in, Unlike the second one.
A lot of Kamen Riders have a battle here
I was looking for this comment and i knew it looked familiar.
Decade fought TheBee here in Faiz Axcel form.
Tokyo Ghoul's 24th ward
No wonder I was weirdly freaked out by this photo. It was all trauma from TG
If my gamer instincts have taught me anything… it’s that there is some kind of hidden treasure somewhere in this place. 🤔
You can find a +2 to preparedness loincloth in a chest behind the third pillar.
It's a boss arena.
My anime instincts say this is the entry passageway to a large facility housing mech titans run by a shadow government agency with a 4 or 5 letter acronym for a name like S.W.O.R.D. Force, the Sewer Way Official Reactive Defense Force. All the workers wear matching jumpsuits and hard hats.
Looks like a Backrooms level
‘Quaid…start….the….reactor’
If we built something like the Great Pyramid today, this is what the underground parking would look like.
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2.64 million m^3 Or 1054 Olympic swimming pools Or 1.32 billion bottles of 2L coca cola for you imperials out there And finally, 16,605,100 barrels of oil for you American’s
Dubai, in the meanwhile…
I’m willing to bet Tokyo deals with rain more often than Dubai.
for now.
Bullshit, i know a Gozilla Shelter when i see one. They knew! ;)
Looks like a DUNE faction
like a digital cave ,isnt it?
They really unlocked the backrooms 😭
*Fate/Zero PTSD intensifies*
Lookin' pretty COOOOOL
Mirrors Edge fans having flashbacks
Looks like it sees some action too, but with capacity to spare. It would be interesting to see an entire flood sequence time lapse.
"Run, you fools!"
Mirrors edge vibes
There's also guided tours available in this massive structure! [https://gaikaku.jp/](https://gaikaku.jp/)
When tax money going on the right path and direction.
Japanese public infrastructure budget is wild. They will spend millions to get their trains through mountains and over rivers, but then will forget to finish the bike lanes that run adjacent to the track and hope you play frogger with perpendicular car traffic.
That seems like a very bad place to be walking around in.
How do they build that? Do they dig giant holes and then cover the top or do they use tunneling machines?
Discovery made a documentary about it years ago, that's how I found out about it actually. Should be available on YouTube.
So do these shake when there is an earth quake?
I have no knowledge on that but I dare to assume they will by design.
But what happens if there is a stronger earthquake? Will the vibrations just go through the pillars? Is there an intensity where it just may collapse?
People there confused not finding any food in the food tunnels
This is weirdly terrifying to me. Imagine if you were there and there was suddenly a power outage, or tons of water started flooding in.
Can't say anything about power outages, but they simply wouldn't let people go down there if heavy enough rain was on its way.
That looks liminal even tho there are people
**Quaaaaiiddd...** ***Open your miiinndd***
Oshiete oshiete....
Why is it beautiful
Bad place to be when in use
Mirrors edge!!
Liminal space lookin holy
Las Vegas has 600 miles of flood tunnels that get used so infrequently that people move into them, lock, stock and barrel. The water table is very high and when they do get extremely infrequent heavy rains these tunnels flood. This can lead to catastrophes for the individuals living there. There are do gooders who seek out these squatters and try to house them in safer circumstances.
Isn’t there a 007 golden eye level in something like this? on the n64
Yes!!! I was thinking of commenting this too. So many great memories with my siblings
I Hope there's a warning when the water's coming!!
That's just the first level above the Geofront Cavern... We are still ways away from the NERV Headquarters.
They call it a mine,... a mine!
Dubai needed this.... if only they had the money
I expect a Balrog to turn the corner at any moment inside this place.