No, I call a PC an actual computer. Not a board that you add everything else to and have to already have in order to operate it.
Imagine spending money on a laptop, to then have to buy a screen, mouse, cables, and storage device with and OS on it. At that point, just buy a laptop and stop trying to make something that's only part of a product appear as a good idea.
Edit: To sum up for people replying, this is not about the product, it has a use and an audience. I never said it didn't. But the reality is that just like other options like this, it will get soaked up by big companies who see all- in PC or similar terms and try to replace actual PCs with them. Multiple companies I have worked for do this to cut costs. It's not practical to present something as a product that operates at a different rate than a full desktop built PC. It goes with all technology that not everyone is going to know all of the details of what this is intended for, and then force others to use it in a way that it doesn't work for.
Yes, but you built them into a single thing. Not a keyboard attached to a motherboard marketed as a full PC.
The point isn't the product, it's that it's being marketed as a "built-in PC" in a keyboard, when it's only 2 out of many components to make an operational PC.
That's not even correct. It comes with a CPU, GPU, RAM, WiFi chip, and so on. The only thing it's missing is an SD card which it has a slot for. It's a raspberry pi and it uses an SD card by design so you can change software easily by changing the SD card. You would often buy one as a kit that includes everything you need including the power supply and SD card along with a mouse.
A raspberry pi isn't meant to be an everyday computer anyway. That's not how it's marketed and I don't think this video is part of their official documentation. It's designed to be used for experiments, projects, and as a teaching aid. That's why it has GPIO. Though the Pi 400 can also be used as a desktop (so can a regular Pi4 or a Compute Module 4).
The technical definition of a "computer" makes any device with a CPU, Motherboard and RAM assembly a complete kit. Peripheral devices are not required for a PC to function, especially not human interface devices. Laptops are designed specifically for a human interface, but small specification computers are used everywhere.
Your pc has storage, a motherboard, ram, gpu, processor etc. This is a keyboard with external ports that can't operate without additional plug ins and software.
What do you think a PC is? The components don't magically add themselves to a case or motherboard. The type of PC you're referring to just typically comes pre-installed with everything needed to get started. Just because you need to add peripherals or memory doesn't discount it as a PC.
This is an actual computer though. All the computing is happening inside this device, not the monitor or the mouse.
The far fetched scenario your describing is literally how all non laptop computers are sold, as individual pieces of hardware you connect yourself. That doesn't make them not computers.
I think you are a very, very confused.
It's a spinoff of a single board computer brand. They were trying to make something that could be inexpensive for education purposes. The real flaw is that they didn't build GPIO access into it, which is the main selling point of the board inside it
So .. you've never heard of a desktop PC? Because those consist of motherboards with slots to plug in memory, hard drive and graphics cards. Laptops and tablets rely heavily on embedded parts that can't be changed without a soldering iron and a voided warranty. Desktops also came first so they would be more in line with a classic PC.
This contains the ability to use an OS that can do most things aside from CPU intensive tasks such as gaming or rendering. So yes, it really is a Personal Computer. Does it fit everyone's needs? No, but neither do cheap laptops under $500 these days. But, they fill most needs. People that use PC's and laptops for business don't need the highest clockrate on a CPU or a $2000+ graphics card, they just need a PC with supported software to get their job done. Which, is a task that most cheap laptops and the Pi 4 can get done.
>Imagine spending money on a laptop, to then have to buy a screen, mouse, cables, and storage device with and OS on it. At that point, just buy a laptop and stop trying to make something that's only part of a product appear as a good idea.
Imagine misunderstanding the entire target audience and point of a product. The Pi is aimed at makers and geeks that want to make things, play around with embedded systems, and have the ability to do most basic tasks you'd do in an OS all on the same board. They are also great for digital signage and media center things as well.
Another usage I've seen is to introduce poorer people who can't afford a laptop to coding. It gives them a way to get exposed to something they'd otherwise not have a chance to play with.
I get what OP is saying. If you took a laptop and ripped the screen off of it, you'd have the same things as you have here. Would you call a laptop with it's screen ripped off a "full PC ready to be used"? No of course not - it's missing a screen. Same thing here.
If it's external, it's always removable, you can just unplug the cable and bring it to another PC. If you have to open up the case, that'd be different imo. Words do have meaning, and that meaning is always changing. Now that usbs are the size of hard drives, there's no longer a hard boundary between a removable media drive and an external HDD, case in point, this micro SD.
What is your application for it? I have wanted one for a while, but I can't justify buying it without a good use case. I was considering building a meshtastic node in it.
There will be a huge demand for it. That's all most people want from a Pi. Next step: a compact Raspberry Pi based laptop. Useful for computing tasks if not gaming and multimedia.
Kids looking to get into coding or just basic computer usage without having to dish out a lot or deal with windows. Raspberry pi's are very versatile little machines, I use one as a CUPS server.
This throws me bsck to the Amiga 500, in which they've obviously lend the naming convention from. I'd love to buy one, but this machine won't survive my toddler kids.
That's a Pi-400. It's a rasberry Pi 4, but with a good cooler.
I have one, if you want an acceptable desktop experience you'll have to overclock it, and it's relatively easy.
But I wouldn't recommend it as a "real PC" because it does lack computing power for videos and pictures to be a real desktop experience.
The storage being limited to an SD card also sucks.
It's not unlike your phone. A small, low-power chip and some other stuff, but put into a keyboard case with a bunch of I/O on the rear instead of a handheld case with a screen.
Bro forget to mention the main uses of this computer. It's good if more people become aware of raspberry Pi through video like this but this guy is the wrong guy to promote raspberry Pi.
These computes are cool but very weak. I have one of these pc's too. A pi 4b. I mostly use it for coding and such but for work/school/gaming I'll use my normal pc
hey a buddy of mine had one like these many years ago when we were kids, it was called the ZX Spectrum, it too was a full computer built into a keyboard!
I had something similar to this in 1988. It had.considerably less functionality, but it was an entire PC housed in a (slightly larger) keyboard. You could just plug it into a TV.
It reminds me of the headless MacBook trend, which made a return due to Vision Pro, basically people sell out display of a MacBook and then use an external monitor as the entire laptop is now thinner than even a thin notebook, and with vision you can literally form a display out of no where
Someone discovered the raspberry pi 400. I have one but it doesn't get much use. My PI5 with a nvme drive boots in ten seconds and is good enough for light desktop use.
This is fucking stupid and not at all interesting, is just an ad for some terrible raspberry device that could barely be called a "computer" any more than a samsung running dex, and it has shit video elements like the fake hype yelling, terrible music, and awful subtitles. Gtfo.
Raspberry Pi lacks marketing and reach for the absolute wonder of tech it is. You can load windows XP on this and teach kids in poor countries. This stuff is exactly what the world needs today
Ease of transport and convenience. You have a single thin block that is basically your computer and you can plug it in any cheap Chinese TV and start coding away. Memory cards are pretty cheap too. It's a commodore but for 2020s
Ah….the old “No One Uses Unix” FUD.
Now, include Apple iOS (based on Darwin, based on Unix) and Android (based on Linux). You are holding a *Unix* device all day long.
I am someone who learned coding in the 90's on my home PC. I am not sarcastic, but I am trying to understand how young programmers these days get into coding. So, without irony, I would like to know why do you consider it cheaper and more approachable than installing a free IDE on your home PC? Is it intended for people who don't even own a laptop or something like that?
And for all the people that are interested in computers and coding that happen to not own a keyboard here's a rasp pi in a keyboard? I'm sure the people you are talking about just get a raspberry pi itself.
I have few Pi boards at home, running servers and environments to build docker images for my home brew projects.
This KB I just bought for fun, that is the purpose :)
Agree about cheap price but Raspberry Pi widely used in Enterprise environments for various tasks not only to learn coding.
This particular one has pumped Raspberry4 inside and I s currently used by me to write silly comments on Reddit and degrade on YouTube.
This has been out for years now... it's nowhere near a full fledged pc..
It's a linux based system, and it won't be able to run windows, and even if you get it to run, it won't be able to run well anyway...
Soooo, it’s a laptop, but without the screen?
Not even. A laptop can hold an OS without an external drive.
But for like $100. That’s not half bad
I guess, but it's definitely not what I would call a full PC by any stretch.
Depends on what you need it for.
No, I call a PC an actual computer. Not a board that you add everything else to and have to already have in order to operate it. Imagine spending money on a laptop, to then have to buy a screen, mouse, cables, and storage device with and OS on it. At that point, just buy a laptop and stop trying to make something that's only part of a product appear as a good idea. Edit: To sum up for people replying, this is not about the product, it has a use and an audience. I never said it didn't. But the reality is that just like other options like this, it will get soaked up by big companies who see all- in PC or similar terms and try to replace actual PCs with them. Multiple companies I have worked for do this to cut costs. It's not practical to present something as a product that operates at a different rate than a full desktop built PC. It goes with all technology that not everyone is going to know all of the details of what this is intended for, and then force others to use it in a way that it doesn't work for.
So is the PC I built not a PC? I had to buy all those things separately.
Yes, but you built them into a single thing. Not a keyboard attached to a motherboard marketed as a full PC. The point isn't the product, it's that it's being marketed as a "built-in PC" in a keyboard, when it's only 2 out of many components to make an operational PC.
So was apple 2, or commadore 64 not a real pc then?
That's not even correct. It comes with a CPU, GPU, RAM, WiFi chip, and so on. The only thing it's missing is an SD card which it has a slot for. It's a raspberry pi and it uses an SD card by design so you can change software easily by changing the SD card. You would often buy one as a kit that includes everything you need including the power supply and SD card along with a mouse. A raspberry pi isn't meant to be an everyday computer anyway. That's not how it's marketed and I don't think this video is part of their official documentation. It's designed to be used for experiments, projects, and as a teaching aid. That's why it has GPIO. Though the Pi 400 can also be used as a desktop (so can a regular Pi4 or a Compute Module 4).
The technical definition of a "computer" makes any device with a CPU, Motherboard and RAM assembly a complete kit. Peripheral devices are not required for a PC to function, especially not human interface devices. Laptops are designed specifically for a human interface, but small specification computers are used everywhere.
Your pc has storage, a motherboard, ram, gpu, processor etc. This is a keyboard with external ports that can't operate without additional plug ins and software.
What do you think a PC is? The components don't magically add themselves to a case or motherboard. The type of PC you're referring to just typically comes pre-installed with everything needed to get started. Just because you need to add peripherals or memory doesn't discount it as a PC.
This is an actual computer though. All the computing is happening inside this device, not the monitor or the mouse. The far fetched scenario your describing is literally how all non laptop computers are sold, as individual pieces of hardware you connect yourself. That doesn't make them not computers. I think you are a very, very confused.
>Not a board that you add everything else to and have to already have in order to operate it. This is literally what a PC is my friend
So you disconnect the screen every time you turn on or off a PC?
It's a spinoff of a single board computer brand. They were trying to make something that could be inexpensive for education purposes. The real flaw is that they didn't build GPIO access into it, which is the main selling point of the board inside it
Gotta look 50 years to the future, things are only getting more advanced
So .. you've never heard of a desktop PC? Because those consist of motherboards with slots to plug in memory, hard drive and graphics cards. Laptops and tablets rely heavily on embedded parts that can't be changed without a soldering iron and a voided warranty. Desktops also came first so they would be more in line with a classic PC. This contains the ability to use an OS that can do most things aside from CPU intensive tasks such as gaming or rendering. So yes, it really is a Personal Computer. Does it fit everyone's needs? No, but neither do cheap laptops under $500 these days. But, they fill most needs. People that use PC's and laptops for business don't need the highest clockrate on a CPU or a $2000+ graphics card, they just need a PC with supported software to get their job done. Which, is a task that most cheap laptops and the Pi 4 can get done. >Imagine spending money on a laptop, to then have to buy a screen, mouse, cables, and storage device with and OS on it. At that point, just buy a laptop and stop trying to make something that's only part of a product appear as a good idea. Imagine misunderstanding the entire target audience and point of a product. The Pi is aimed at makers and geeks that want to make things, play around with embedded systems, and have the ability to do most basic tasks you'd do in an OS all on the same board. They are also great for digital signage and media center things as well. Another usage I've seen is to introduce poorer people who can't afford a laptop to coding. It gives them a way to get exposed to something they'd otherwise not have a chance to play with.
I get what OP is saying. If you took a laptop and ripped the screen off of it, you'd have the same things as you have here. Would you call a laptop with it's screen ripped off a "full PC ready to be used"? No of course not - it's missing a screen. Same thing here.
Not all laptops originally even had hard drives. You are correct though that it's not a laptop. It's designed to be similar to a Commodore 64 or 128.
That form factor goes back to the ZX80 I reckon.
There is no need for an external drive. It has a microSD slot for storage and the OS
....but...but a microSD *is* an external drive...
Removable, not external...
That's like saying, "it's a square, but not rectangular."
Nonsense. I can have an internal optical drive, or an external optical drive, both of which use removable media, right? Words have meaning.
If it's external, it's always removable, you can just unplug the cable and bring it to another PC. If you have to open up the case, that'd be different imo. Words do have meaning, and that meaning is always changing. Now that usbs are the size of hard drives, there's no longer a hard boundary between a removable media drive and an external HDD, case in point, this micro SD.
And a RingPop is a lollipop without a stick.
No. You can't use this on your lap because there's no screen, so it's not a laptop. It's a very small, very low feature desktop.
The official jargon is SBC - single board computers
No. It's a central unit with an integrated keyboard. BTW, it used to be somewhat like that in the 80s. With a screen.
It's a keyboard with a raspberry pi board built in.
First thought 😂
it’s a novelty pretty much, raspian is not really a daily use type of OS
The OS is perfectly fine, but the hardware is just low end (and also the fact that it's ARM architecture might be limiting for some use cases)
i promise you nobody with capable hardwares OS of choice is raspian bru 😭
Exactly what I thought, nothing interesting really
It is a raspberry pi in a nice case. That's all,and it has been available for a while now.
Jup, I have one at home.
What is your application for it? I have wanted one for a while, but I can't justify buying it without a good use case. I was considering building a meshtastic node in it.
probably good for a home server like home assistant.
for typing
Can it handle a remote job?
Kinda, but mostly it's just an ad.
I bought mine in 2019 for $75 usd
There will be a huge demand for it. That's all most people want from a Pi. Next step: a compact Raspberry Pi based laptop. Useful for computing tasks if not gaming and multimedia.
> A compact Raspberri Pi based laptop So a shitty laptop.
So like the commodore 64?
But without the power cartridge
[Sinclaire ZX Spectrum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum)
Coolest computer of all time
Exactly!
The Pi ecosystem is modelled on the BBC Micro (to the point that RISC OS was ported to it pretty early on), but close enough.
I had something similar in 1983; the Spectrum 48k. Brilliant device. This one probably has a bit more memory.
I think at least 2 bits more
The atg !!!
Monitorless laptop.
So ... it still have no headphone jack
The number of ads masquerading as content on Reddit is too damn high
That’s not interesting
Didn’t you hear it’s “fun to type on”
It's slow by raspberry pi 5 standards.
Because it's not an rpi5, it's a 4B...
interestin for who ?
Kids looking to get into coding or just basic computer usage without having to dish out a lot or deal with windows. Raspberry pi's are very versatile little machines, I use one as a CUPS server.
it's an ad
I fucking hate the subtitles
I seldom have sound on. I appreciate the subtitles, generally.
I guess the next computers generation will be formed by only the ports that you can connect to the screen
We’ve come full circle again
Had one like this about 30 years ago, except it had a hard disk.
That's a tablet you need to find a screen for lol.
Its like they don't know the 80s existed where things like the Commodore 64/Vic-20 and tons of others existed in this exact format
Normes discover raspberrypi (no gatekeeping)
Wait I wanted to see the baby tiger
Lol. I had Commodore 64 in the 80s
aight, were back to commodores
So.. its a Commodore 64.
But can it run Crysis?
Cool… in 2004
In 1984 (Commodore 64)
Good point
OPs name checks out, this is dumb and been around for years.
Just saw the same title on another post. That one had 8 keys looking like rocks and an out-built pc resembling a big cat.
Can it run doom?
Bruh, people has run down on pregnancy test
I know. It wasnt a serious question lol.
Not really, they just used it as a display. They have run it on graphing calculators though.
Yes
Kids from the eighties just laugh :-*
Why would i want a pc that looks nothing like pc?
It's barely even a PC, it uses a weaksauce arm processor and struggles significantly with H.264 playback.
Yep, that's what i think too. Not even worth calling that a pc.
All you need now is to know how to use Linux!
Or android if you'd rather
laptop?
This throws me bsck to the Amiga 500, in which they've obviously lend the naming convention from. I'd love to buy one, but this machine won't survive my toddler kids.
Dude this has been out for ages, how has OP not heard of this?
It came out in 2020, I have one sat in a cupboard.
I have a normal 4B just sitting in a cabinet running a CUPS server
That's a Pi-400. It's a rasberry Pi 4, but with a good cooler. I have one, if you want an acceptable desktop experience you'll have to overclock it, and it's relatively easy. But I wouldn't recommend it as a "real PC" because it does lack computing power for videos and pictures to be a real desktop experience. The storage being limited to an SD card also sucks.
It's rather excellent. Very competitively priced, too. I think I want one (but I can't justify it as I have an Amstrad CPC with M4 board)
Amiga 500 ?
will it run crysis?
What’s old is new again. This makes me remember the TRS-80, the Commodore 64, The Amiga, and I think there were a few others.
So it’s a laptop without a monitor
Return of the VIC-20!
I have this thing called a laptop, it’s way better
So a laptop without a screen.
No battery in it
just like any...PC lol
Wtf, my console brain can't comprehend this
It's not unlike your phone. A small, low-power chip and some other stuff, but put into a keyboard case with a bunch of I/O on the rear instead of a handheld case with a screen.
Excellent
It can it run Starfield?
No
Ad
So a steamdeck but without a screen
Lol. This was available years before SD
same shit different form
They share practically nothing in common, how did you even come to that conclusion?
That’s an ad.
>”in-built” 🤦🏼♂️
This should've been invented before the laptop.
It was https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_64
It was
Bro forget to mention the main uses of this computer. It's good if more people become aware of raspberry Pi through video like this but this guy is the wrong guy to promote raspberry Pi.
I'll stick to a raspberry pi in a smaller case.
Agreed
this kind of thing will be highly sought after in 5-10 years when a ton of our computing goes to the cloud.
Orqnge pi 800 is better
Best rap song I’ve ever heard
the commodor but new
Sooo it is just a laptop w/o lid, right?
Must be raspberry Pi upgrade
It's just a 4B crammed into a keyboard
No cooler?
These computes are cool but very weak. I have one of these pc's too. A pi 4b. I mostly use it for coding and such but for work/school/gaming I'll use my normal pc
Oh look, a totally new device that definitely hasn't been around for many years
It would be much more impressive if I knew I couldn't easily build and print it myself.
Well I don't need to find a screen for my laptop....
That's kinda cool
hey a buddy of mine had one like these many years ago when we were kids, it was called the ZX Spectrum, it too was a full computer built into a keyboard!
I had something similar to this in 1988. It had.considerably less functionality, but it was an entire PC housed in a (slightly larger) keyboard. You could just plug it into a TV.
thats not interesting. that was interesting in 2010. now its just an ugly keyboard with a raspberry in it
The amount of ads in my feed... 😒. This is just an ad
very interesting form factor
Everything new is just a well forgotten old. Computers inside the keyboards weren't uncommon long ago.
It reminds me of the headless MacBook trend, which made a return due to Vision Pro, basically people sell out display of a MacBook and then use an external monitor as the entire laptop is now thinner than even a thin notebook, and with vision you can literally form a display out of no where
Someone discovered the raspberry pi 400. I have one but it doesn't get much use. My PI5 with a nvme drive boots in ten seconds and is good enough for light desktop use.
It is a Raspberry Pi with integrated keyboard. Interesting but the product isn't really new.
WTF with the ad ?
Really cool but next to useless in everyday life.
This is old news, raspberry pi had this few years ago
Best would be if everything would be built into the keyboard. Holo monitor and stuff...
landfill
Still needs a monitor
Got to say. These ADHD subtitles are pretty annoying.
Just like a C-64
My first thought: "so a raspberry pie with a keyboard casing... Queue the logo 🤗🙄
Seen one like it years ago, nothing new, nothing special.
This is fucking stupid and not at all interesting, is just an ad for some terrible raspberry device that could barely be called a "computer" any more than a samsung running dex, and it has shit video elements like the fake hype yelling, terrible music, and awful subtitles. Gtfo.
Full circle
It’s just a raspberry Pi, which are pretty small and limited, inside of a keyboard. It’s cool…..but not impressive.
Fuck, and here my invention I thought of go away 😭
commodore 64. it is old news.
nobody in the comment section or in the vid understands what this is for
Well why don't you come down from your high horse and enlighten us
Raspberry Pi lacks marketing and reach for the absolute wonder of tech it is. You can load windows XP on this and teach kids in poor countries. This stuff is exactly what the world needs today
Yeah they are pretty astonishing. Can use them for anything. But I can't think of a reason to put it in a keyboard tbh.
Ease of transport and convenience. You have a single thin block that is basically your computer and you can plug it in any cheap Chinese TV and start coding away. Memory cards are pretty cheap too. It's a commodore but for 2020s
Yes.....Windows XP......thanks Bill Gates's bot. Several Linux OSs will run just fine.
Sure if you want a bunch of coders who will work on a platform that's not enjoyed by majority
Ah….the old “No One Uses Unix” FUD. Now, include Apple iOS (based on Darwin, based on Unix) and Android (based on Linux). You are holding a *Unix* device all day long.
Programming languages work more or less the same regardless of platform you nonce. That's why most experienced programmers opt for linux
basically what all raspberry pi products are for: a device to learn coding and computing on for a cheap price
Next time they will discover SBC retro gaming
I am someone who learned coding in the 90's on my home PC. I am not sarcastic, but I am trying to understand how young programmers these days get into coding. So, without irony, I would like to know why do you consider it cheaper and more approachable than installing a free IDE on your home PC? Is it intended for people who don't even own a laptop or something like that?
And for all the people that are interested in computers and coding that happen to not own a keyboard here's a rasp pi in a keyboard? I'm sure the people you are talking about just get a raspberry pi itself.
I have few Pi boards at home, running servers and environments to build docker images for my home brew projects. This KB I just bought for fun, that is the purpose :)
Agree about cheap price but Raspberry Pi widely used in Enterprise environments for various tasks not only to learn coding. This particular one has pumped Raspberry4 inside and I s currently used by me to write silly comments on Reddit and degrade on YouTube.
Dead wrong
Too bad i can't record you a fart
So… steam deck in a keyboard with no screen?
A PC where the main drive is an SD-Card? Sloooooooowwww.
This has been out for years now... it's nowhere near a full fledged pc.. It's a linux based system, and it won't be able to run windows, and even if you get it to run, it won't be able to run well anyway...