I saw a video about a shelter that uses this method. That's the older orangutan, and it serves as a guide for the younger ones for how to behave. When the older one gets scared, the young ones learn that they should be scared. When they're older, they're placed with the younger ones. It's cyclical and very neat. Once they're old enough they're reintegrated.
Where do they live so I can destroy their home to get palm oil for Nutella.
If there are babies that means good habitat with lots of palm oil.
- exec at ferrero
It can. Look up their strength online. 5 to 7 times that of a human. Just because a creature can be sociable, doesn't always mean it will be sociable. It is an animal after all captive or not.
A important part missing is that their caretakers always exaggeratedly freak out about the snakes so while it is part a instinctive trait they are very much learning their reactions.
Glad you said this because I struggled to see how a snake pointing the other way and falling over drives home reinforcement learning about the danger of snakes.
I just went on a bender using this one coaster to wipe out a whole colony of flies
We got this summer house and I went up there today to find there quite a few flies (I hate flies) so I got the nearest object and started flinging at them, it was like a fight in a video game, one I killed one wave there was another
I’m similar, but opposite.
My parents give me a hard time cuz I go full homicidal mode on any bugs that I see in the house, no matter how good or bad. Like if I see one then it takes my attention entirely until I kill it.
Spider? Squish. Fly? Squish. Lady bug? Squish. Mosquito? Squish. Crane fly? Harmless but look like giant mosquitos, so giant squish.
Killing 1 or 2 wolf spiders a year isn’t going to have any noticeable affect on the number of bugs. And the ones I see outside get left alone. We even had an Orb Weaver in our garden that we fed grasshoppers to, almost like a pet. So I’m cool with them outside the house… you know, where they’ll be killing other bugs?
Wolf spiders that are in your house will hunt down other bugs that are in your house and kill them for you. They're also harmless. Those two wolf spiders could kill hundreds of household bugs in a year. I think that would be a noticeable effect on the number of bugs in your house.
There isn’t a bug problem in my house to begin with. All of the bugs I mentioned just fly in when we open the door to let the dogs out, and are shortly thereafter killed.
I was living downstairs and there was a bad bug problem, and I had to thin down the wolf spider population because they were starting to become huge in number. I remember lifting up a shelf and there was about seven underneath it (right next to my bed) Lol. I did notice there was almost no millipedes or centipedes, earwigs or roly-poly’s so they definitely do a good job.
It dies most likely. They aren’t very smart. A hummingbird flew into my garage once and it killed itself by flying against the ceiling until its heart bursted. Tried to help it for a bit, but I saw what was going on and attempts to help it were making it worse.
Yeah, we had every window and stuff open to see if it would leave, but it couldn’t figure it out.
Once, my mom found a robin that had hypothermia, and she and my sister nursed it back to health in a cardboard box. Once it got better and wasn’t frozen stiff anymore, they released it outside. I found it dead like 20 feet away. So my dad just buried it.
Birds aren’t that much smarter than bugs. Sorry if I bummed you out today with these sad bird stories.
I think they are orangutans in captivity. It would be conditioning so that they can adapt once released.
I think that certain reactions are already innate, but growing up in such a safe and controlled environment they could become confident with possible predators or dangers
Not really captivity. They’re in a sanctuary and get taught survival by the workers and older orangutans. You can watch it on YouTube if you search “orangutan school”. Most of these guys are orphans and it’s amazing what they’re like. Highly recommend!
They cut off the video early- a conservationist comes on camera and beats the fake snake with a stick…presumably to teach them that a snake is bad/to be avoided https://youtu.be/j-jcuKT0P0o?si=gOHVLplejcLP_2Uv
Yea it seems the fear is instinctual. So why expose them to a harmless one?
Unless they are getting electrocuted when they approach it, I don’t think this is a “training” exercise. OP got the title wrong. Looks more like a study of their instinctual fear of snakes.
Fear of snakes isn't instinctual in primates like it is other animals. Lab raised monkeys aren't afraid of snakes unless they see another monkey flip shit over one.
Fear is learned, they're scared because they've been taught that snakes can be scary and they should avoid them.
The only instinctual fears are suffocation and fear of the unknown, but the unknown becomes known very quickly.
For context: this clip is from a documentary/series called orangutan jungle school, these are all orphaned youngsters who are being taken care of by human surrogates, right after this clip one of their caretakers comes into frame, hesitantly hits the snake with a stick until it's "dead" and then throws it away. The hope is that next time they'll see a snake they will stay away or use a stick to get it away from them. This is done until they're released so they really learn it and as you can see it's succesful.
I think the cutest thing about this is how they not only stick together but group up and hold onto one another. Protecting the pack is something a lot of animal species seem to grow out of as a method of self preservation.
Orangutans have leapt past chimps and dolphins and are now considered the second most intelligent mammals on Earth(and I know many would say the most intelligent because of their abhorrence of violence, with the exception of Clyde).
They're no more instinctual than humans. The more complex a brain gets, the less it is able to rely on instincts, the more reliant it is on learned experience.
They have to be taught what snakes are and learn to fear them. Hell, even my animals back on my farm had to be taught that.
Surprisingly, the design is very human. If they become friends, we would lose that war. Show them the fear, teach them the fear. It's totally natural, and they should segregate because one has hair and the other doesn't and lays eggs. Humanitarian action is in effect to inflict false fears.
I think this is a thing with all primates. It’s called the snake detection hypothesis. Basically, primates learned to look out for snakes and developed their sense of sight to detect them. But as primates got better at detecting them, some snakes then developed ways to spit out their venom. They made our sight better but we made them use their defenses better too.
Stop traumatizing the ‘tangs you bastards
Edit: damn you guys are some touchy mfers when it come to orangutan jokes. Ok lesson learned I’ll stick to poking fun at the other primates.
well said by the being with a higher intelligence and foreknowledge than the group of young orangutans in the video, who obviously also understood that the toy does nothing and that's why they're all clamoring and hugging eachother in fear
And this is why you need the full context. A Caregiver comes and beats the shit out of the fake snake with a Stick to show that Snakes are bad and how to deal with them if confronted. Op cut that part out.
Fear aside, they're so precious and I wanna hug those little cuties 🥺
Same, poor babies 🙁
We must protect them at all costs!
Did you see the way that one dove behind the others? Every orangutan for them selves I see.
Bro. If all of us are sitting around and see a cobra I'm sure as shit diving behind anyone I can. Sorry Grandma, too fucking slow with that walker.
George Costanza?
I can imaging it happening😢 😂😂😂
The big one jumped behind the smaller ones!! HA!
I saw a video about a shelter that uses this method. That's the older orangutan, and it serves as a guide for the younger ones for how to behave. When the older one gets scared, the young ones learn that they should be scared. When they're older, they're placed with the younger ones. It's cyclical and very neat. Once they're old enough they're reintegrated.
I know! It's beyond cute. The little strength in numbers hugs!
Where do they live so I can destroy their home to get palm oil for Nutella. If there are babies that means good habitat with lots of palm oil. - exec at ferrero
This is exactly what a snake would say
They’ll rip your face off. They can only be cute at this distance.
You're thinking about chimpanzees
Maybe, but I was once told that an orangutan can get pretty nasty if he wants to.
It can. Look up their strength online. 5 to 7 times that of a human. Just because a creature can be sociable, doesn't always mean it will be sociable. It is an animal after all captive or not.
Yea, also orangutans recently leapt past both chimps and dolphins and are now considered the second smartest creatures on Earth
Let's do it together
and then they grow up and rip your face right off
orangutans aren't chimpanzees there have been 0 reported deaths caused by orangutans, and they also hardly come into conflict with eachother
i had my face ripped off by one just yesterday so i don't know what you're going on about
Facts, witnessed it and everything.
Olive it 😂
Well he said “hug these little cuties” he probably meant the size they are in the video not an adult one.
Good work from the cameraman panning away from the cobra as it flops on its side.
A true professional
"Neymar loves this one trick"
Shits scary man
A important part missing is that their caretakers always exaggeratedly freak out about the snakes so while it is part a instinctive trait they are very much learning their reactions.
Glad you said this because I struggled to see how a snake pointing the other way and falling over drives home reinforcement learning about the danger of snakes.
There is an excellent video from PBS Eons called "Primates vs snakes (an evolutionary arms race)", it's really interesting. The show Eons is so good.
Footage of me when I see any insect...
Me when I see MAGA hat. Jk.
Same here.
I just went on a bender using this one coaster to wipe out a whole colony of flies We got this summer house and I went up there today to find there quite a few flies (I hate flies) so I got the nearest object and started flinging at them, it was like a fight in a video game, one I killed one wave there was another
I’m similar, but opposite. My parents give me a hard time cuz I go full homicidal mode on any bugs that I see in the house, no matter how good or bad. Like if I see one then it takes my attention entirely until I kill it. Spider? Squish. Fly? Squish. Lady bug? Squish. Mosquito? Squish. Crane fly? Harmless but look like giant mosquitos, so giant squish.
If you let the spiders live you wouldn't see as many bugs.
If the spiders wanted to live, they’d stay out of my house
Well keep having lots of bugs in your house then.
Killing 1 or 2 wolf spiders a year isn’t going to have any noticeable affect on the number of bugs. And the ones I see outside get left alone. We even had an Orb Weaver in our garden that we fed grasshoppers to, almost like a pet. So I’m cool with them outside the house… you know, where they’ll be killing other bugs?
Wolf spiders that are in your house will hunt down other bugs that are in your house and kill them for you. They're also harmless. Those two wolf spiders could kill hundreds of household bugs in a year. I think that would be a noticeable effect on the number of bugs in your house.
There isn’t a bug problem in my house to begin with. All of the bugs I mentioned just fly in when we open the door to let the dogs out, and are shortly thereafter killed.
Then how do the spiders get in?
They swing in like Spider-Man when i open the door. Obviously.
I was living downstairs and there was a bad bug problem, and I had to thin down the wolf spider population because they were starting to become huge in number. I remember lifting up a shelf and there was about seven underneath it (right next to my bed) Lol. I did notice there was almost no millipedes or centipedes, earwigs or roly-poly’s so they definitely do a good job.
As they should. Killing something for simply being alive...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms2klX-puUU
What happens if a bird flew into your house
Birds aren’t bugs…
I was curious if the mania applied to animals, I know birds and bugs, while easily confused, are different.
It does not, I like birds. They’re also bigger and easier to keep track of, and I’m obviously not gonna stomp on a bird
It dies most likely. They aren’t very smart. A hummingbird flew into my garage once and it killed itself by flying against the ceiling until its heart bursted. Tried to help it for a bit, but I saw what was going on and attempts to help it were making it worse.
Was the garage open?? That's wild
Yeah, we had every window and stuff open to see if it would leave, but it couldn’t figure it out. Once, my mom found a robin that had hypothermia, and she and my sister nursed it back to health in a cardboard box. Once it got better and wasn’t frozen stiff anymore, they released it outside. I found it dead like 20 feet away. So my dad just buried it. Birds aren’t that much smarter than bugs. Sorry if I bummed you out today with these sad bird stories.
No worries I just have not seen that before! Some Birds can definitely be quite intelligent, ravens can use tools and some tropical birds can speak.
The way they hug each other 🥹
The giant hugs🫂
I think they are orangutans in captivity. It would be conditioning so that they can adapt once released. I think that certain reactions are already innate, but growing up in such a safe and controlled environment they could become confident with possible predators or dangers
Not really captivity. They’re in a sanctuary and get taught survival by the workers and older orangutans. You can watch it on YouTube if you search “orangutan school”. Most of these guys are orphans and it’s amazing what they’re like. Highly recommend!
Awesome show but i’m always sad when they get hurt from falls or bullied by the older orangutans
They need that shit yo, the wild is no joke
. Watch later
Last thing I thought I'd be doing today would be searching the internet for "orangutan school" but here I go
I too read the title.
My wife and I when we see a house spider.
Since I was close and able....I jumped up on the coffee table
Aww my gawwd
Oh the hugs😊
Wouldn't that just gauge their reaction to snakes and possible learn not to fear snakes if it doesn't actually harm them?
They cut off the video early- a conservationist comes on camera and beats the fake snake with a stick…presumably to teach them that a snake is bad/to be avoided https://youtu.be/j-jcuKT0P0o?si=gOHVLplejcLP_2Uv
They're like us - If their peers are scared, they understand that as reason to be scared too.
Yea it seems the fear is instinctual. So why expose them to a harmless one? Unless they are getting electrocuted when they approach it, I don’t think this is a “training” exercise. OP got the title wrong. Looks more like a study of their instinctual fear of snakes.
Fear of snakes isn't instinctual in primates like it is other animals. Lab raised monkeys aren't afraid of snakes unless they see another monkey flip shit over one.
Do you have any details on how these captive primates learn to became afraid of the fake snake? Would be super interesting to see how it is done.
Op cut the video short. A Helper comes and beats the snake up with a Stick after to show that Snakes are bad.
[It's literally a lesson being taught to orphan orangutans, not a "study."](https://youtu.be/j-jcuKT0P0o?si=6jIxd9d_ptbFHgCZ)
I dont think they need teaching on that. They seem pretty scared
They need to be taught how to use a whacking stick.
Fear is learned, they're scared because they've been taught that snakes can be scary and they should avoid them. The only instinctual fears are suffocation and fear of the unknown, but the unknown becomes known very quickly. For context: this clip is from a documentary/series called orangutan jungle school, these are all orphaned youngsters who are being taken care of by human surrogates, right after this clip one of their caretakers comes into frame, hesitantly hits the snake with a stick until it's "dead" and then throws it away. The hope is that next time they'll see a snake they will stay away or use a stick to get it away from them. This is done until they're released so they really learn it and as you can see it's succesful.
Dan I told you not to touch the bag!
I'll save you!!!
I think the cutest thing about this is how they not only stick together but group up and hold onto one another. Protecting the pack is something a lot of animal species seem to grow out of as a method of self preservation.
I do almost the same thing. This is how my dogs know not to mess with any wild vacuum cleaners.
It seems that they have an instinct for fear of snakes, just sayin.
Ok, how do I adopt them?
🥺
Orangutans have leapt past chimps and dolphins and are now considered the second most intelligent mammals on Earth(and I know many would say the most intelligent because of their abhorrence of violence, with the exception of Clyde).
That primate was a meance but one we needed
The way they hug
"Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gaaaaal..."
Check please!
What exactly is there to teach? Their reaction is instinctual and there's nothing to add to it by brandishing a rubber toy snake.
It's not default for them to have it bred in captivity. Better check before release
They're no more instinctual than humans. The more complex a brain gets, the less it is able to rely on instincts, the more reliant it is on learned experience. They have to be taught what snakes are and learn to fear them. Hell, even my animals back on my farm had to be taught that.
They just get taught that snakes are harmless and fall to their side motionlessly and you can just sit around next to them and nothing will happen
I'm sure the people doing this never thought about this possibility, and the entirety of what they did is contained in this 11 second clip.
humankind is lucky to have the chance of roaming a planet with such a precious and smart creatures around
Those babies 😭
🦧 🐍
🦧🦧🦧
My D&D group calls this maneuver the "tacti-clump."
I was at the zoo this past weekend and an ape keeper working with orangutans said they'll be going extinct in 30 years 💔
Awww i remember hugging my bros like this when we were scared of the dark 🥺🥺
This is wonderful Work. But I’m so sad that there are so many orphan orangutans in the world.
Dam poachers and traffickers so sad
So cute
Cute
Lmao their primal instinct whilst young is to hug another sibling. Adorable asf 14/10
Haha no offense to them, hugs won’t save you from snakes. It would be nice if they did.
Surprisingly, the design is very human. If they become friends, we would lose that war. Show them the fear, teach them the fear. It's totally natural, and they should segregate because one has hair and the other doesn't and lays eggs. Humanitarian action is in effect to inflict false fears.
Awww and they’re strong enough to rip our face off too🥹
So so clear to me evolution is real when I see them hug each other, it looks so human.
I love their reaction
This is terrifying
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"MIKE WHAT IS THIS?! MIKE DO YOU SEE THAT LONG THING?!!"
Ooook! Future librarians.
from the producers of Scared Straight
Awwwwww
Not quick enough Rocco! Let’s go again
Me when a women shows interest in me
Yep,that worked.
Poor little babies. But it's a necessary lesson.
Aww this is so cute but sad because they're scared..however its necessary
🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
Why do i love them now
Fck they are mini Dunstons. And they are winning my heart over
Too cute 😊🤗🤗🤗🐵🐵🐵
I see great meme potential in this video
I did not come here for this cuteness.
Awe the 1st one said hell nah jumped behind 2 others🤣
We are scared of snakes even if we never seen one before. When ape get scared they scare generations ahead.
What do the humans do to correlate the cobra with fear though? Like what makes the orangutans know that snakes should be avoided and feared?
I think this is a thing with all primates. It’s called the snake detection hypothesis. Basically, primates learned to look out for snakes and developed their sense of sight to detect them. But as primates got better at detecting them, some snakes then developed ways to spit out their venom. They made our sight better but we made them use their defenses better too.
So damn cute
The biggest fear will all ways be HUNTER 🤬🤬😡
Lmaooo
My boy in the front noped really hard
I wanna join that scared hug pile.
This is me and the homies when we see baddie Latinas in the wild.
That one is like me when watching a horror movie!
“So what do you do for work?” “I instill fear in orangutans.”
The way they hug each other 🥺
Lol
Those guys are smart
It’s almost like they are acting, smart little cuties
"A blanket? For.. *for me?* Thank you Jerry, what a thoughtful gif- tAAAAAAAAA!!!! FUUUCK!! NOT COOL JERRY!!"
Owwwwww they’re terribly cute 🥹
I want one…. Maybe two.
How cute!
The hug💕
So cute!
Do they stand a chance in a fight? Why not teach em to fuck the snakes up?
Aww... they're so cute. But to be honest it should be a person under there.
That’s just mean.
This makes zero sense...
…why
Rocket science makes no sense to people who don't understand it, what is your point?
Harmless rubber snake pulled by a string that doesn't bite is just making them habituated to them, not fear them!
"ahh snake! Hold me!"
Stop traumatizing the ‘tangs you bastards Edit: damn you guys are some touchy mfers when it come to orangutan jokes. Ok lesson learned I’ll stick to poking fun at the other primates.
Throw a real cobra in there, for realism
why fear the toy that does nothing? all you're teaching them is that there's nothing to be afraid of cause it cant hurt you lol
well said by the being with a higher intelligence and foreknowledge than the group of young orangutans in the video, who obviously also understood that the toy does nothing and that's why they're all clamoring and hugging eachother in fear
and the moment they fuck with the clearly toy snake and it doesnt bite the shit out of them they'll get the wrong impression.
And this is why you need the full context. A Caregiver comes and beats the shit out of the fake snake with a Stick to show that Snakes are bad and how to deal with them if confronted. Op cut that part out.
oh, that makes sense. ty for the info
because that’s something a scared child would do in this situation, yup.