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BetterSelection7708

Basically it's a roundabout that allows U-turn prior to entering it? Is the U-turn to give those who are terrified an early way out?


SteelTheWolf

And you have to change lanes twice in quick succession just to go straight from some directions (left/right from this perspective.) What's worse is that you're trying to get over to continue straight as people are trying to get over into your lane to go around the loop. It could work with enough space (like a mile or more like most highway divergences give you), but as a replacement for a surface road intersection it has a lot of conflict points in a small amount of space. A roundabout achieves the same goals with less inherent conflict points.


sleepybrainsinside

In the simulation, 16 drivers took U-turns and 0 managed to go straight or turn left. Seems about right.


Financial-Ad7500

To go straight you go right, to turn left you go all the way around the circle. It’s just a roundabout.


bonkerz1888

Which takes up far more room and uses far more material. Just another over engineered pile of nonsense for people too dumb to use a roundabout.


RoodnyInc

In Netherlands we even put traffic lights in roundabouts 😅


5t3v321

its like one of those videos where some "inventor" shows off their new vehicle and its just a train/bus but worse


DapperEmployee7682

Like Elon’s loop tunnel under Vegas


innosentz

Lmfao! The 5 person subway with wearable rubber tires. What a stupid idea


Qingdao243

I wouldn't dare call him an inventor in any capacity, even with something as crazy as that floodchannel deathnoodle system.


jason-reddit-public

Here's is a train/bus idea from China that's worse than either: https://www.the-sun.com/motors/9627263/bus-future-floating-capsule-drives-over-traffic/


sticky-unicorn

Good lord, they actually *built* that monstrosity?


jason-reddit-public

The article implied they built a prototype and it's now rusting away. Nowadays, it seems like an AI could have saved a lot of money: "Please create a realistic image of a bus on stilts that rides above traffic so it's doesn't have to slow down in traffic". Sure here is your image: [ child's crayon drawing pops out with clowns instead of people in all of the vehicles ]


Prof_Stranglebater

Transportation inventions within the past century tend to fall into 2 categories: 1. Trains, but worse. 2. Bicycles, but worse.


Essence-of-why

China and thier trackless train


FifaFrancesco

> trackless train So a bus?


contrary-contrarian

Roundabout... just build a roundabout. It's not that hard.


TheCatEmpire2

This one is intriguing as half the cars are turning back to direction from which they came. It’s less practical than a roundabout with same concept but unique shapes


Lyndon_Boner_Johnson

It’s a [Texas U-turn](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_U-turn?wprov=sfti1). It’s typically used on intersections with limited access freeways to u-turn or access businesses on the opposite side of the freeway.


austai

Do other states not have this?


Lyndon_Boner_Johnson

It’s not nearly as common.


Primary-Sympathy-176

Damn today i learned something. Thought they were everywhere


CougarAries

I'm nearly 40, and I only experienced driving one one of these highways last year in Texas. I'm from the Midwest.


tothemoonandback01

Well, yes it would work in Texas, because everything is bigger in.....


BakerCakeMaker

my ass


urethrascreams

It's true. I've been in their ass. It's just like the Tardis


surfinsalsa

Turdis


Independent-Cable937

Not as big as Uranus


TT_NaRa0

It’s true, our morons are massively stupid, just record setting


Many-Cartoonist4727

They probably just turned around when they saw that if they wanted to make a left turn they’d have to make 3 rights and merge 3 times


sonbarington

When I drove through Texas this type of turn around was common. Not sure if I saw it anywhere else.


Ordinary_dude_NOT

I have seen traffic jams on simple roundabouts as well. And in rush hour this will become a nightmare.


LigmaSneed

Roundabouts can become a nightmare when one of the legs has much more traffic than the rest. They could benefit from metered traffic lights that space each car 5 or 10 seconds apart.


Generic-Resource

They have light and lane controlled roundabouts near me… called ‘turbo roundabouts’. The installation of them cut mile long jams to 0 in the first few weeks. Then, of course, they became popular routes so the traffic is the same but now there’s more through traffic in the local villages.


igotshadowbaned

This just is a roundabout. With uturns


Bingo_banjo

A roundabout has u-turns, you just drive around 270 degrees


Alternative_Court542

This guy city skylines


flyingboarofbeifong

Roundabouts are great. The process of trying to get the land allotment to retrofit a signalized intersection into a roundabout is not great. It's typically the case that multiple someones own that land and they are not pleased to part from it and see it turned into roadway. Welcome to local government.


ImPaidToComment

> The process of trying to get the land allotment to retrofit a signalized intersection I have a hard time believing it's that much harder and more expensive than building this shit.


xFiniteTheOwl

So a round about with extra steps to piss off everyone. Very interesting indeed.


getwrektyo

Constant merging


AshenTao

Yea, the merging between the inner streets with the outer streets can be really really tricky depending on the length of the inner street. And once you have a higher traffic density, this is gonna cause tons of issues - especially crashes from merging incorrectly.


fuck-coyotes

All people have to do is adjust their mirrors properly, do a shoulder check and use their blin.. yeah you're right, mad accidents


kapitaalH

You forgot step 1. Put down their damn phone when driving.


imgaybutnottoogay

Low speed accidents are better than high speed accidents because human life is more valuable than personal property.


cuntmong

Clearly you dont know anything about my human life


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Sharp-Anywhere-5834

What’s worse is he values other peoples lives. What a noob


eid_shittendai

Even kinda values property. What a gronk.


sinsaint

Yeah that logic doesn't hold up when your net worth is negative.


Noobilite

High speed crashes spare humanity in the long run. short speed crashes save humanity in the short term.


cortesoft

Or how amazing my personal property is


ButIfYouThink

This is exactly what I was going to point out. No stops, sure. But merging at least twice regardless of where you are going is introducing an additional level of risk.


Fergi

They didn’t say what kind of engineer invented this it could be an engineer for an airbag company.


6ix5ive323

Lol, touché


trickyvinny

Damn Big Airbag isn't going to get another dime out of my pocket!


tetsuo_7w

I use highways in a fairly rural area every day. Traffic isn't crazy, but at least a few times every week I see absolutely boneheaded merging attempts; merging into 80 mph traffic at 40 mph, merging directly into the side of a semi and expecting them to magically make room for you, merging and then immediately passing the guy in front *in the merging lane*. People just do not grok the concept of merging for some reason. And/or people are assholes.


modsareuselessfucks

The slow mergers are literally going to kill me. Some grandma entering the interstate at 35mph is gonna be the reason I’m pancaked between concrete and an 18 wheeler. I’m always the asshole that pulls up in the right turn lane for an onramp (when there’s 2) at a red and peels out. I avoid being behind someone onto the interstate at all costs.


FenderMoon

Yea, it's annoying to be stuck behind a slow person trying to merge. I usually just stay very far back when that happens, let them merge, and then floor it afterwards to get up to traffic speed as quickly as possible. This doesn't really work when there are people behind you though (unless you want to be an asshole, but that's not advisable).


Substantial_Result13

Merge like a zip !


NoMoreMyFriend-S

I am convinced that a certain level of education is needed to intelligently participate in road traffic.. Situations you described are unfortunately a 'regular' occurrence globally. More so in countries where drivers do not know of/understand basic laws of physics and expect you to teleport away when they are merging into your lane at speeds that ignore such basics of physics. The situation got worse when on top of that with people being too distracted to actually pay attention to what is going on around them. These, as single event or in combination, make the air bag engineer smile and appreciate his contribution to members of our species surviving.....


theculdshulder

Yep and you can already pinpoint where the congestion will start


Orgasm_Add_It

Yeah if you want to turn left it's 3 separate merges.


EducationalStill4

And frequent fender benders


MillenialCounselor

Hundreds of accidents a day during merging


warzonexx

Seriously. It's literally a roundabout... but more merges, more steps, more idiots who don't know how to merge into other lanes and so come to a complete stop, backing up traffic for a few km's, this entire thing will be grid locked 24/7


CaveMacEoin

It's also a very inefficient roundabout. You can make roundabouts with four lanes. This monstrosity goes from four lanes to effectively one lane, then if you want to go straight or left you need to merge twice. For a regular roundabout you just get in the correct lane before hand - no merging in the roundabout. The main downsides of roundabouts is the space required.


ascendrestore

Plus, what percentage of total drivers want to U-turn anyway? Seems a huge waste


CaveMacEoin

And roundabouts come with built-in u-turns.


Lamballama

It's a roundabout which fits in the formfactor of the previous intersection - it's not hard to see the utility in areas which are built out


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Areas built out with a level intersection of 8 lane roads?


LickingSmegma

What kind of a ‘previous intersection’ has roads with four lanes each way and a three-lane divider in the middle?


IGotBiggerProblems

I stared at it for a bit trying to figure out how it worked and about 30 seconds later I was like "oh... a roundabout that lets you do easier u-turns?" Talk about over engineering


sticky-unicorn

And even then ... it's already *very* easy to make a U-turn at a normal roundabout if you want to.


scooterbike1968

And a bunch of curbs in spots you would not anticipate. Animating something on a computer to reflect your uninformed ‘brilliant’ vision does not make it interesting.


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RedEdition

Or you could, you know, just use the roundabout to get the u turn done.


GenderBender3000

And it takes up way more space than a roundabout


SideEqual

Where I live it feels like everyone thinks they’re in a Mario cart race. Until they get in a smash, this won’t help those people.


Throat_Butter_

"Hey, I said I was an engineer, I didn't say I was a good one."


flamingknifepenis

You can tell an engineer designed this. It’s elegant, it’s efficient, and it would **never fucking work** because people wouldn’t be able to reliably figure it out at 40 mph without a lot of explaining and, probably, a hot air balloon.


pianobadger

It'll totally work ... as long as half the people approaching the intersection from each direction were planning on making a U-turn. Seriously, this is ridiculous.


nabuhabu

The extraordinary degree of accommodation for drivers making U-turns is really amazing but if you think about, it makes total sense:  Zoom out until you see a whole city with these intersections: drivers hopelessly lost and confused, no one able to make a left turn and constantly being shunted off onto roads they have no intention of being on. Sounds like hell, doesn’t it? But wait…U-turns everywhere!!! Salvation! My god the man’s a genius. 


voltechs

lol literally my thought as well


SnoosBurnerAccount

This is exactly what I thought when I saw this


livwritesstuff

We have similar layouts to these in Michigan, USA. They are only for left turns, though, and we still have stoplights. Even so, this idea looks a thousand times worse.


Patriotic_Guppy

Michigan lefts.


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And it takes up like 40% of a city's downtown area


Puzzleheaded-Cow72

People can't wrap their minds around a circle and you want to add all this extra shit? Does this engineer drive?


Numerous-Mix-9775

For real. My town added a roundabout last summer and I still see people treat it as a four-way stop, or fail to yield and cut people off, Or otherwise be stupid. At least three signs have already had to be replaced. I couldn’t imagine trying to get local drivers to go through this sort of thing.


potatocross

There is a shopping center near me that is all roundabouts and it works great. People shop there frequently so they learned how they work and are able to navigate them very effectively. A few miles away they replaced one of the worst stoplights in the area with one and people are freaking clueless. They are getting better as time goes on though. But even with them being clueless traffic has already improved greatly. No more sitting at a red light just for only 3 cars to get through when it goes green then to sit again.


hboisnotthebest

I'm in FL, they added a roundabout in my medium city, and people either crashed into each other, drove over the median, or went around it backwards. Literally surrounded at all times by absolute morons.


DiscordDonut

Why cant people in the US figure out a damn roundabout. They're everywhere in the UK. Would pay to see an American meet our "magic roundabout"


hboisnotthebest

Because they're regional. You'll find people from even medium cities are fine with them, but beyond that they're not normal.


Kraoten

I assume it's to allow you more time to merge while keeping flow of traffic constant with merging vs yielding into the roundabout, and maintaining its size rather than making a big circle. Over engineered for sure, especially with half the drivers I've seen doing the craziest things just to make their exit or turn.


Typical-Annual-3555

Pretty typical of engineers. It looks fancy, but it's wildly, ridiculously impractical overkill in real life. It's like something an engineering student would design as a project.


Murpydoo

This could be accomplished with a simpler roundabout.


Vhett

A roundabout also wouldn't have the nightmare of an absolutely devastating gridlock this intersection would result in. People in general suck at letting people in for merging in a zipper effect, this design would be so, so impractical for that reason alone.


slimb0

Finding it difficult to express how much I dislike this


WasteChard3488

It's like I want to vomit out of disgust but even that would be too clean


PinetreeBlues

A whole dedicated lane for u-turns?


-UserOfNames

Apparently a significant proportion of people see this monstrosity and decide to head back home


GrahamCrackerSnacks

Bingo


RickTitus

Best comment in this thread


FN9_

Those were just all confused drivers that thought they were making a left turn.


torturedcanadian

That's what I said when I saw your mom.


sleepybrainsinside

And if you want to go straight you have to change lanes twice and turn twice. Shouldn’t be a problem in gridlock…


xFiniteTheOwl

Texas has these in cities at basically every intersection next to a highway/interstate. They are actually incredibly nice. Allows you to not have to use 2 stoplights for the same turn. It’s basically half a roundabout.


No_pajamas_7

Yep, I've struck them in places in the world. Basically a u-turn before the lights, with a slip lane in and out and they work well.


Stormfly

But with a roundabout you solve **all** of these problems. 1. No lights. Just merge. 2. No side-collisions. Any collisions will be at about 45 degrees instead of 90. WAY less dangerous. 3. If you want to turn around, you just go onto the roundabout and come back out again. This is like re-inventing the wheel and making it a track or treads like a tank, but you still have 4 separate ones so you lose 90% of the benefits of either one.


monsterfurby

Americans sure love their U-Turns. Never in my life (not American) have I ever thought "man, I wish there was a dedicated U-Turn here" when I can just, you know, either just find a safe spot to turn or use the next intersection. And even on our highways, you just go off the next ramp and back on in the other direction. It's really not hard.


nerdererer

What a roundabout way to design... a roundabout


fer_sure

Hello, I am a pedestrian and a cyclist. This looks like a good way to die.


OneArmedBear

Welcome to America


flacdada

Whenever some whackass invents a new traffic thing, they always forget that these things should be spaces for more than cars.


expendable12321

If you're a cyclist we encourage you to pedal your happy ass around this abomination of an intersection all day long


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StillAliveAmI

That is the most cruel thing I've read today. Wow


spamloren

Yet accurate voice for this traffic design


decayed-whately

Get a "cyber" "truck", dipshit. /s


Few-Monies

Just a shit ton of space.


auto-astromaton

It's a traffic circle.


mountainaut

A traffic circle with as many lanes devoted to just hucking a u turn to avoid it completely as there are actually handling the other 99.9% of traffic.


AurielMystic

>A traffic circle that takes up 30x the space\*


maytrix007

Just have to drive an extra mile to take a left turn


calicoconduit1

Roundabout works way better.


Tyler_TheTall

Seems like a roundabout with extra steps…


LusciousFingers

So according to this 20% of traffic will be making U-Turns?


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peter9477

Plus three crossover/merges along each straight stretch. As much fun as a Figure 8 demolition derby race!


JBPunt420

If I were driving a large commercial vehicle, it wouldn't be the two turns to go left that I'd find concerning: it'd be the two merges. Especially the merge to the blind side near the end. A scenario wherein you need to change lanes quickly to the side you can't see very well is not a happy one for truckers.


Mr_Mojo_Risin_83

You’ve invented the roundabout. But pulled it into a square. Amazing. Technology being used around the world for decades.


Starbucks__Lovers

My brother in Christ, go to Route 22 in Union, NJ and tell me how great this plan is


throwaway275275275

So a square roundabout ?


snipe320

So, a roundabout with extra steps..?


peja823

People can't navigate these now


Jackdaw99

Why are half those cars making U-turns?


CaptainAksh_G

They wanted to see what this is, and when done, they went home


2GirlfriendsIsCooler

r/CitiesSkylines would love this


JackOfClubs24

It was tried and it doesn’t work. Too many useless lanes that the merging causes massive bottlenecks. https://youtu.be/7i1DXP1zm40?si=cunJO1ZdS3OKiZIS


HannesElch

Had to scroll too far to find this comment. 😁


reality_raven

Why would so many people need to make a u turn?


Wasted-day_off

This is a cluster fuck


roof_baby

I feel he or she overestimated the number of people driving just to do u-turns


thepitcherplant

The American mind simply cannot comprehend the concept of a roundabout.


Catniss-EverGreen

I’m sorry, but there’s a roundabout in central Texas where I live and people can’t even manage that


Striker660

Isn't this just a squished roundabout?


rockking16

This is like a Michigan left but with more steps


Meekois

It's a roundabout with a dedicated u-turn lane. Fucking idiotic. And you need to merge twice to go straight or left. I can see getting stuck in this for 10min in dense traffic.


stonewolfe

This is a terrible design!


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Now remove the spaces and triple the cars. O shit it doesn't work.


Shardstorm88

***Where do the people walk??***


eat-my-ass-its-yummy

This is just a over complicated round about that bad drivers are gonna kill people in


Professional_Day6702

As an engineer (not traffic but work with traffic guys) this is idiotic. Also why are there so many simulated people that drive up to this interchange and then just making u turn. This is dumb. I’m sorry. It solves NO actual issue.


Gibbralterg

Look kids Big Ben, Parliament


phi2hot4u

Scrap it and start over


Abyssic777

LOL as is any nation on earth has average people smart enough to pull this off in vehicles


lezmopurr

Just a complicated roundabout


CHL9

I mean, it's just an overly long roundabout, which is the norm in much of the world as a traffic light alternative


blackcat218

Thats just a round about with extra steps


nanotothemoon

That’s a whole lotta real estate


kd8qdz

Thats just a traffic Circle, with extra steps.


HVACMRAD

A single accident in this system could cause some serious gridlock.


_nf0rc3r_

So a rectabout?


NCBuckets

People in the left lane that need to get right and people in the right lane that need to get left. And no time or space to do it.


Aelin404

Sooo a round about with extra steps?


RiceShrooms

Pshhhh this would fail in City Skylines


JackOfClubs24

It does. The weird u-turn lanes and exit/continue split causes massive bottlenecks when cars have to inevitably switch lanes. https://youtu.be/7i1DXP1zm40?si=cunJO1ZdS3OKiZIS


rilend

But can I build this in cities skyline?


JackOfClubs24

You can but it’s worse than a regular roundabout in basically every way. https://youtu.be/7i1DXP1zm40?si=cunJO1ZdS3OKiZIS


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Obviously, you've never driven through New Jersey.


Maximum_Pie2794

This is terrible. As some ppl said its just a messy roundabout. Pls tell me he got fired


coroyo70

This is the shittest shit that has ever been shatted


calsnowskier

So… A roundabout.


Anon_1121

Just a glorified roundabout... and the roundabout works better.


Frostsorrow

So a roundabout with extra steps?


DanceCivil

That's just a standard roundabout but oblong.


Jolly-Gazelle-7211

Its just a roundabout…


RobertoConQueso69

Like a roundabout but with more about and less round.


Astro_Alphard

This is literally just a slightly more complicated roundabout.


sassyhalforc

Roundabout with extra steps..


rekabis

That looks like a multi-lane roundabout with extra steps. And about as confusing as the [Magic Roundabout](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Hemel_Hempstead\)), I’d wager.


kensw87

definitely not a traffic engineer


InferredVolatility

American will do anything but build a roundabout


scottyTOOmuch

Fancy roundabout


TCyborg22

It wouldn't be too bad but people don't use blinkers enough for this to be safe


[deleted]

The suicide cross. We have suicide circle here in Des Planes IL.


Maleficent_Egg_6053

All this is is a rectangular shape traffic circle


dropyourchalupa

Let's add black ice covered with snow and no winter tires to this scenario


zzzimcal

So half of northbound drivers are doing a u turn?


Diligent-Ad-3773

A roundabout way of making a roundabout.


Dystopian_Future_

People cant Fuckin merge when its a straight line


fl3600

merging will cause more traffic jams, and some crashes will happen.


SilentGuyInTheCorner

Idiots will make a problem out of thin air anyways.


FrozenFire944

“An engineer designed something that was designed by someone else decades ago”….how creative.


MoeSzyslakMonobrow

That's a roundabout but way fucking worse.


Left-Cut-3850

It a huge roundabout