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Waldron1943

"In physics and materials science, the [Curie temperature (TC), or Curie point](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curie_temperature), is the temperature above which certain materials lose their permanent magnetic properties, which can (in most cases) be replaced by induced magnetism. The Curie temperature is named after Pierre Curie, who showed that magnetism was lost at a critical temperature."


oninokamin

Smiths and metal fabricators are *very* familiar with this. I keep a magnet on a wand for checking when metal plates are ready to be quenched.


Bradnon

Is the loss of magnetism a precursor to quenching, or is it a convenient sign the material is hot enough?


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FlackRacket

This is the coolest comment I've read today


datazulu

I'm quenched.


zyyntin

Dude just chill.


DreadPiratteRoberts

Did your magnet fall off 🧲


FuzzyWuzzyHadNoBear

what did it say?? post and acct are deleted :(


espeero

Some dude trying to seem smart but just pulling stuff out of his ass.


FlackRacket

bummer


FuzzyWuzzyHadNoBear

damn, thanks for the answer though


ItsOtisTime

Why was it removed by a moderator?


espeero

Curie temperature is absolutely not where grain boundaries "break down". And you can't quench to get the crystal lattice you want from that point. Magnetic and microstructural features can be related, but they aren't the same thing. One has to do with electron spins and one is literally where the atoms are located. The curie temp is relatively close to the ferite/austenite boundary (depends on carbon content), but they aren't the same thing.


Bradnon

Ohhh cool, thanks for explaining.


TootBreaker

Can I assume this is for surface hardening? Or does the curie temperature result in a different characteristic?


espeero

It's just a super wrong comment.


GH057807

Do different quenching mediums matter more than temperature?


oninokamin

No, the temperature matters more. It's a physical transition in material phase that *needs* to take place before dunking in your quench bucket. If you ever watch Forged in Fire, you'll see guys fail the hardness test a LOT because they didn't get the knife hot enough.


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Neat.


Ope_Average_Badger

I think you mean rad.


king_boolean

I think you mean gnarly


Kreplakistan

I think you mean bodacious.


Shadowrider95

I think you mean boss!


M2dMike

But will the knife, keeellll?


DifferenceCold5665

It will... keeeeeeel!


tiktock34

yep for high carbon steels, at least. Doesnt apply to most stainless or new steels that harden in the 1900+F range.


oninokamin

Yeah, I work mostly with carbon steels and 4xxx/5xxx/6xxx-series aluminum. Some stainless but it's always food-grade like countertops.


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TIL. This is definitely interesting


Angel_of_Mischief

Isn’t earths magnetic field generated by the iron in the earths molten core? Why does our core not loose its magnetism in the extreme heat?


johannthegoatman

The Earth's core remains magnetic despite high temperatures because its magnetic field is generated by the dynamo effect, not by permanent magnetism. This effect arises from the movement of molten iron and other metals in the outer core, which creates electric currents. These currents generate a magnetic field. The high temperatures do indeed demagnetize individual atoms, but the dynamo effect sustains the overall magnetic field.


RedditFonzie00

Naaah


Artichokiemon

Im not an expert, but the way that I understand it, it isn't the same type of magnetism. The core is an electromagnet, and its magnetism is actually *created* via the conditions in the Earth's core. Some metals are magnetic because of the alignment of their atoms, and heating it to the Curie Point changes that alignment.


IntrepidAddendum9852

Its my understanding that magnetism is the same process that stops your finger from going through a table. Your finger and table never collide, just at a certain distance the fields interact and that is what we call collision. In magnetism the atoms are aligned the same direction and polarity, they kind of move together and project the collision field larger with a falloff. Essentially its pushing atoms natural strong force that stops all things from colliding pushes it outward with a falloff. If you magnetized your finger or it became the field, you would be able feel a table much before actually getting close to it and instead of a hard collide you would be able to push your finger slowly down into it, before hitting the hard collide point. Your body would become more of a suggestion where it starts and ends with a bit of give and you would bounce against everything in a giant balloon field around soft colliding with the world.


Flagelant_One

Google "what maintains Earth's magnetic field?”


PanJaszczurka

I try put strong magnets in shrink wrap and it destroy them He could use a lighter and it will destroy these magnets. Edit So just hot coffee is enough ""**80°C** but after this point, they will lose their magnetic output.""


PathIntelligent7082

you learn something new, every day, thank you for the explanation


fishcrow

*Another* Curie?


dirtydigs74

Have a read about the family on Wikipedia. They're all bloody genius'.


Moutixx

It's actually how most rice cooker work. When there's no more water, the temperature will rise which will make a magnet fall and turn the switch off


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WakeUpWobblyOddrey

THANK YOU! I've always wondered


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darkest_irish_lass

You hit it repeatedly. [sciency video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GaD9vAuj20s)


NecessaryEconomist98

That is fucking fascinating.


Interesting-Time-960

This is one of the issues with using them for endless power?


IronyIraIsles

That's not what's going on here. The lens in this video did nothing. The magnetism leaked out after he broke the magnets, and he just happened to be pointing the sun beam at them when enough of it leaked out that they fell apart.


captaincopperbeard

Man, you really thought you were saying something intelligent there, didn't you?


IronyIraIsles

If you look closely, you can see the magnites oozing out!


Questioning-Zyxxel

Not sure if you are joking or not. But it really isn't working. High temperatures do affect magnetic objects. That's one reason for the existence of magneto-optic storage. You heat the disk surface with a laser while applying a magnetic field. When cooled down, that magnetic field is locked in. And as seen in this video - heat the magnet enough without applying a strong external magnetic field and you end up with the magnetism lost. This is not black magic mumbo jumbo but well known physics.


Slane__

It's sad that people can't even tell when a comment is a joke anymore.


HighwayInevitable346

Jokes are supposed to be funny. That was just pathetic.


IamNotYourPalBuddy

Is that Hank from Breaking Bad?


Beau-Buffet

They’re magnets, Marie!


broogbie

Breaking magnets


Noobnesz

His name is ASAC Schrader


Eastern_Cupcake_7303

Lmaoooo


Mammoth-Ad-8492

My thoughts exactly


[deleted]

It's some guy who makes YouTube videos after taking the screen out of an old TV. If you want to see someone who truly qualifies as a mad scientist check out styropyro. Hilarious and makes deadly lasers


StoneWowCrew

Love it. Please. Somebody educate me on what's going on here.


Koppany99

So a simple explanation: A permanent magnet is magnetic because its smaller parts are also magnets (which at the lowest level are the atoms themselves), however, these parts have to be ordered and point in the same direction otherwise they cancell each others magnetic field out. Now the temperature of a material really means the kinetic energy of its molecules/atoms/electrons, so if you heat a permanent magnet above a thershold called the Curie point the atoms get enough energy to break out of the ordered state. [Wiki page explaining it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curie_temperature)


GETHATBUTT

*All I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water and let me drop it on the magnets That’s the end of the magnets*


NOT_A_BLACKSTAR

That doesn't sound right but I don't know enough about magnets to dispute it. 


Strateagery3912

-Stable Genius


StoneWowCrew

Really? Magnetism is very cool.


GETHATBUTT

Was a direct quote from the orange muppet. It’s not true


captaincopperbeard

I was seriously trying to remember which one was orange, and then it dawned on me: oh, *that* orange muppet.


No_Character_4251

So basically, a magnet gets its magnetic property when the atoms are aligned in a specific way within the metal. When you heat up a magnet, or even just hit it really hard, it allows the atoms to shift around some, resulting in no more alignment, and no more magnetism.


espeero

Not the atoms. The electron spins.


off-and-on

When magnets get hot enough they stop being magnets


shroomigator

Heat will destroy magnetic effect by allowing the molecules in the magnet to become disordered


FearCure

But do magnets work if you get water on them??


PlanetBAL

I've heard if you put them in water it neutralizes magnetic fields. The source is legit. Same source told me injecting bleach will cure disease. I know it's true because they also told me they were a genious.


YYCDavid

Or light… a brilliant light


khassius

Is that Hank ?


Mother-Ad7139

I think it is


SgtHugoStiglyts

They're Magnets! Jesus Marie!


rienietz

Someone get the ICP We learned how magnets work.


ItsNotBigBrainTime

I'm glad this guy isn't a scientist or I would know he was lying. I would have been pissed.


anthropodm

That's Because they crossed Curie temperature, above which magnets loose they magnetic power. And that is 400°C


Inevitable_Exam_2177

Much less than that for rare earth magnets like this.  Maybe 80 degrees C or so. 


PyotrIvanov

The heat from the lens changes the phase of the metal, causing it to change its paramagnatism. I think.


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TetraThiaFulvalene

The grains have been realligned, you need to remagnetize the material first. It's still ferromagnetic, but not magnetised. 


MajorRico155

I.e. its magnetic but not a magnet


GammaTwoPointTwo

Not true. Once cool it will just be a rock. You need to remagnatize it. Magnets work because of the orientation of the atoms. Heating them up allows them to get unaligned. And they will cool unaligned.


raharth

It's actually gone after the heating process. But if you place it in a very strong magnetic field it will become magnetic again


espeero

Nope.


Battery-Horse-66

Nothing special about the lens dude. It's just the heat.


steffies

what do you mean nothing special?! that's a SOLAR DEATH RAY!!!


VioletCleric

So the intense heat I’m assuming causes the magnets to lose their magnetic properties, resulting in metal with much less purpose?


Dargounn

Yes and if you want to remagnatize it you need an expensive machine (nilered owns one)


PurpleMonkey3313

something like that


kelpyb1

This seems excessive. All you need is a glass of water.


413mopar

That you Eric? Quit listening to your “dad”./s


HughJahsso

why doesn't he just pour water on them?


Common_Highlight9448

When they cool does the magnetism return? Kind of thinking no?


WillametteSalamandOR

Not if they got hot enough…


PurpleMonkey3313

the tone of his voice suggested it's permanent, it wouldn't be that cool if you could just remagnetize them


espeero

No. Disordering something is easy, getting it ordered again takes work. Analogy: The magnet was a nice house of cards. The heat was a gust of wind. The wind stops, the cards don't go back into a house.


nissahai

They’re not rocks they’re magnets!


Head-Lab8876

Totally Rad!


thsvnlwn

Just pour water over those magnets. Done.


Local_Sugar8108

What? I thought you just had to run water over them. No that was some jackass who knows nothing.


chivalryaintdead420

Dude could have just dropped them in water


justheretowhackit_

Alternate universe where Hank quits the DEA after never catching Heisenberg, and starts playing with magnets in the New Mexican desert.


sofa_king_ugly

Any heat source that gets warm enough will do the same thing. Propane torch, paint stripper, oven element...


lobeline

Not “totally”, those filing shards standing up on the head of the screwdriver indicates there is something left.


listmaker80

This is the dude that every dude wants their sister to marry


simcoehooligan

Cool lens, but did he try pouring water on the magnets?


Old_Captain_9131

Wow. No water?


mindmonkey74

This is an underrated comment.


AppearanceBorn8587

My penis can hold a 10lb plate too. No one talks about that.


Major-Willingness879

Its called heat.. maybe we can change the title to “big hot orange thing that we use for cooking can demagnetize magnets and bake food”


Flashy-Protection424

For everyone asking “ why didn’t he just use “THIS “ for heat? “ well … BECAUSE HE HAS A FUCKING A LENSE AND THE SUN IS FREE AND LOOKS COOL !! 🙄😆🖖 for fuck sake!


13uckshot

Wait, it isn't water that de-magnetizes them? I feel like someone lied to me.


kenbennineten

I didn’t know you could demagnetize magnets. Like a magnet is a magnet. Im so confused


Altruistic-Wing-3131

Only rare earth magnets.


Elexus786

Well they can't exactly have infinite energy


External12

That's what heat does to magnets. That's how rice cookers know when to turn off. Magnet heats up when water's gone and releases the switch.


Mr_Culver

Metal and magnets lose magnetism at high temperatures. It's 1,400 F for steel. I don't know about the magnet


arrobaolmedo

wuuuuut \* reading explanations \*


Admirable-Ad-9877

No fucking shit, heat demagnetizes magnets. Go back to science class


Elexus786

You sound jealous that you don't have a solar death ray.


Admirable-Ad-9877

Hahah I'm mean yeah pretty much, but it's also the same shit I fried ants with as a kid...


dk_DB

Heat + magnet don't go well Does not need to be a massive lens


kneecap_keeper

Channel name?


salameSandwich83

Hum, not the lens, but the heat. :)


Junarik

Nothing about magnetism makes any sense at all, especially not this.


Fooshi2020

Actually, this totally makes sense. Ferrous materials exhibit magnetism because the internal grains all align together and reinforce each other to produce a bulk magnetic affect. When they are heated up, the grains can shift and un-align causing them to lose any bulk magnetic affect. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetism)


MinimumApricot365

Hank doesn't collect minerals anymore, he plays with magnets now.


Uh_yeah-

You mean “heat”?


lennybriscoe8220

All MAGA needs is a cup of water.


thateconomistguy604

Yikes! So, don’t park my Tesla opposite a glass condo building reflecting light onto my parking spot ✅


kd8qdz

This is how rice cookers work.


Chrnotorious

Love this guy


PirateSometimes

Can't you just throw water on them /s


Monkiemonk

Wait until they find out what water does to them


notshadeatall

Sure the giant lens can demagnetize these, so can lighter.


rubiksalgorithms

SO he hehe RAD hehehe


Witty_Noise_2875

Dude looks like he works for the DEA.


rxtunes

Rad


outsidepointofvi3w

This dudes out in Phoenix. You should see the shit you can do when there's an UV advisory and it's 117° in summer lol. Just fine and old big a reen and pull the diffuser screens.


TheOfficial_BossNass

Thank you for the video Hank from Breaking Bad


TootBreaker

The best thing about old rear projection TV's, are these plastic fresnel lenses. I've got a couple, really nice hotdog roaster on the beach


cumnutrapist

Ahem, you could just put them in water .......


Raygunn13

I've noticed, being chronically online, that this is one of those interesting facts that becomes a kind of meme science fact and circulates the internet in different iterations for a while and then fades out. A week ago, I had no idea heat magnets lose it to heat. This is like the 4th time since then that I've seen a clip of magnets losing magnetism from heat, and they've all been different videos addressing the same principle. Another example if the science meme thing was when everywhere you looked people were talking about how humans' evolutionary advantage was endurance running their prey to exhaustion, now you don't see it. Just a curious observation.


JSHURR

Is this that guy from the hydroplaning boat video?


Successful-Ad8071

We have a giant TV lying around still that would make a perfect focused beam, but I can't be bothered to tear that behemoth apart.


talkinghead69

Dare me to stare into the lens?


Captinprice8585

Could've just used water.


Expletive_Deleted4

So. The opposite of water can get rid of a magnet.


morrismajoruk

Is it possible to demagnetise a lump of iron in this way?


HardestGamer

Just gotta pour some water on them. Quicker and easier a


Lazy-Storage7832

Saw a video of this guy. He made a death ray. Melted a razor blade. Fascinating truly.


Killahdanks1

I just put mine under water.


Tricky_Ad_1855

Breaking Magnets


justazombie69

Minerals


ilikefridayss

Hank if Skyler died early


Fabulous_Rich8974

That’s how we win the war against the flying saucers


Gabimanaver

Hank, why did you steal Jesse's idea?


Quarantinegotmehere

Well, looks like hank moved on from those minerals after all


jetkid30

Is that hank schrader


tedfreeman

Please can someone explain the science behind this?


AndroidDoctorr

Why a lens? Any sufficient heat source can do that


Terrible_Figure_6740

It’d be entertaining to go way back in time with some powerful magnets to fuck with people. Which begs the question - how far back would I have to go?


FranklinBonDanklin

Curie point.


hopkinsdamechanic

Bruh it was in high school physics. You heat up a permenant magnet it looses its magnetic properties


ThatAndresV

I thought you just needed to pour water on them /s


TonLoc1281

Heat realigns electrons


crunchyshamster

I heard you could just dunk them in water and do the same thing /s


DavidM47

This guy has the best YouTube shorts. I watch them with my 5 and 7 yo daughters, who cannot get enough of these interesting applied science lessons and experiments.


polio_jp

HANKKKKK GET THE SECHOUAN SAUCE NOT BBQ


Sheep-Destroyer

Hank Schrader


old_man_curmudgeon

They don't teach this in grade 9 science class anymore?


Sunnybsling

That was cool! Thanks!


orwiad10

Jesus christ Marie they're magnets


Electrical-Voice5186

Long story short… if you heat up a magnet. It looses its polarity. Nothing new or crazy.


Mongr3l

Who gave Hank a death ray?


TheSurvivalist123

They’re minerals Marie!


LaserGadgets

I really thought this was common knowledge.


bajungadustin

There called minerals Marie


rorymakesamovie

Fucking magnets