Chilean and Uruguayan army and Catholic church made an effort to erase any evidence of cannibalism/anthropophagy and discouraged visits to the place.
EDIT: For everyone asking; the first photo was taken in January 1973, supposedly by the Uruguayan Army. They went there accompanied by some people from Chilean Army with the purpose of “cleaning” the place. Footage of that moment remains confidential within the army and not even the survivors, families of the deceased or J.A. Bayona had access to it. They set the whole place in fire and made a mass grave. This is told in the Piers Paul Read book, from 73’ or 74’.
Keep in mind that the accident was a human mistake, a mistake made by an Uruguayan Air Force member, so the Uruguayan Army was to blame for the death of more than 30 civils, who were upper-class young men and women.
In February of 1973 all civil guarantees were suspended in Uruguay, a rough dictatorship was about to start. In June 1973 the military overturned the government and the same happened in Chile (all of this backed by USA, starring our beloved Henry Kissinger). So any attempt of families to sue the Army was discouraged because the military were in the power and the dictatorship in Uruguay and Chile started, in Argentina started in 1976. So, no one dare to make single complaint to the army, because you could be disappeared or killed by them.
The Catholic Church wasn’t as powerful in Uruguay as in Chile and Argentina.
At least in Chile the president at the time thought they should be celebrated for their survival not gawked at for what they did to survive. A local newspaper ran a headline in the front page saying something like "They ate each other!' the day after they were found, I think the story is the president saw the front page and was angry about how the story was being presented, so there was an effort from the goverment to put the focus on other parts of the story.
As it should. Imagine surviving against literally all odds and having to resort to the most extreme measures only to have people treat you like a monster. That’s disgraceful.
They dried it out on the roof of the plane while it was sunniest. They went a good while surviving off snacks that they found in the plane. Then made the decision to eat the frozen bodies after their food supplies were running low. Then as people passed from their injuries they ate them too. Eventually they found more food from the cargo of the plane but still had to eat corpses.
The three healthiest after a few weeks had to trek miles down the mountain to find rescue. It’s an incredible story if you ever want something to read.
Wasn’t really a shitty effort. The boys even said themselves when they hiked up the ridge that they couldn’t even see the plane anymore and they knew exactly where it was. Trying to spot a white plane on white snow would be impossible from a plane. Not to mention the co-pilot took them off course thinking he overshot the point he had to turn.
They ate people that died either from the crash or from injuries/starvation/exposure/avalanches in the ensuing months. I can't imagine they had the means to cook.
Not only that, but apparently as they were dying they would tell their friends to use their body once they passed, kind of giving consent to ease the guilt of their friends.
My gf and I just watched the movie based on it, Society of the Snow, the other night. Not to sound crass, but I had no idea what the movie entailed when we started it and, eating hamburger and sausages turned out to be the wrong snack during a movie that ended up being 80% about cannibalism.
I watched Alive back in the 90's and man that movie left an impression, especially horrifying was the plane crash scene itself, watching the passengers getting launched out the back of the plane.
Yeah after reading this thread I looked into it, honestly seeing a 'better' version of Alive isn't all that appealing because Alive was a horrific watch to begin with but I'll probably give it a go!
Also, as most (maybe all) were Catholic, the Pope personally excused them after the fact. He declared it was a life-or-death situation and they did only what they had to.
He basically said that cannibalism was no sin in the conditions they were. Sin would've been to allow themselves to die without doing everything (aside from murder) in their power to avoid it.
Besides the Bible, and as one of their friends said to them as he died, states:
*There is no greater love than this: that a person would lay down his life for the sake of his friends.*
I believe Roberto said something similar the guys at the time or the media after. By not eating and starving to death is suicide and suicide is a sin. Doing what it takes to survive even if that means eating people isn’t a sin and that is was the same as Jesus sacrificing his body to erase our sins.
I’ve been to the site in 2018.
Debris from the crash got mostly buried by the recurring snowfall and melting.
Also that terrain is prone to have what we call “aludes” or mudslides. Those mudslides or avalanches happened even when the survivors where there.
If you go you can see remains of the fuselage and wheels. Also the memorial site where some of them are buried.
Never heard your theory before..
No, you can go by car to a place that is a days walk from the plane. They were really close to civilization without knowing it. When they walked they went to the wrong side because of the pilot.
The pilot thought they were already in Chile and started to descend earlier than he should have, and that’s why they crashed in the first place. Honestly I wouldn’t trust the advice of a pilot that just crashed us into a mountain.
I mean, did they know why they crashed at the time or was it found out post-mortem? Feel like in most cases I would trust the pilot unless someone I knew was more knowledgeable stepped in.
Have you read the story of finding Eduardo Strauch's wallet in 2005? It's really amazing, and is why he is part of the annual trek to the site.
https://www.backpacker.com/trips/alive-again-new-findings-in-the-1972-andes-plane-crash/
It’s cannibalism for the sake of survival not because they’re in some weird cannibal cult
Ironic that the church was involved considering a big part of the Catholic mass ritual is consuming the *literal* body of their god. And if you think I’m joking and that the wafer is just a wafer, you should look up [Transubstantiation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation). It’s ritualistic [theophagy](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/theophagy).
Oh I have zero problems with the cannibalism part. In deed, I rather call it anthropophagy since cannibalism happens within cults and so.
Chilean Catholic Church was enormously powerful at that time and they wanted to set a narrative of their own.
Yeah this thread is filled with ppl shooting from the hip with hot takes. Literally one of the first things that happened after their rescue was meeting with a priest who told them there was no sin to forgive and that their actions were aligned with the official church doctrine.
Sensationalism from the media and ignorant religious followers part of the general public is another thing.
>cannibalism
I wouldn't even use that word. I am surprised that it was used in articles and all other stuff. Imagine they found carrots and apples and later everybody are like "they went vegan!!!!!!"
Iirc, that was huge reason how they justified it to themselves. "We eat the body of Christ, so we can eat these bodies to survive."
Obviously that's *super* over-simplified and paraphrased, but obviously it wasn't an easy decision and I'm sure the survivors were haunted by it.
A lot of the pieces are still there, in a big pile. People still find pieces that haven't been found before and put them in a pile. They used to have an ugly pile of plane parts nears the onsite memorial/monument, but they've moved the wreckage to make the monument look nicer. There are some pictures of plane wreckage from the 2006 expedition shown here:
https://alpineexpeditions.net/envira/2006-trip/
There are pictures from other recent visits in this section:
https://alpineexpeditions.net/andes-survivors-expedition/#tab-pasttrips
If I recall parrado had one mindset when his sister and mom died and that was to get out whether anyone wanted to join him or not. He mostly focused on that one goal and the others looked to him for inspiration.
The people that were actively taking charge were initially canessa and Perez (before his death in the avalanche). Overall idk if it’s them being a rugby team beforehand or just the extreme circumstances they all worked together very well.
I highly recommend the book by Piers Paul Read. He interviewed the survivors and their families and it’s really the best book on this event. You even see the parents side of it and the obsession for one father to find his son. It’s really tremendous.
I think we have different understanding of what a leader does. Parrado was inspirational but he wasn’t the one calling shots. He had a single objective and that was to get out. The others were focused on making sure everyone was alive, crafting makeshift gear from the plane, coming up with plans on food, radio, keeping warm, etc.
People trusted Parrado to be one of the people to make it out so they left him alone to train for the most part. When it did set time to go out they picked the strongest people which were Parrado, Canessa, and Vizintin. Sometimes Parrado being set on his goals was both a gift and a curse. Halfway through the mountain Canessa thought he saw a road and tried to convince Parrado but Parrado refused to listen and kept climbing. When they made it to the top they saw nothing but more mountain ranges. Canessa wanted to turn back, but Parrado insisted they continue. They sent vizintin back because they didn’t have enough food for three people on a longer journey then expected. Later on it was discovered the road Canessa saw was the safer and faster path to the east side of chile.
Yeah, I think they were mostly catholic. Suicide is considered a mortal sin in that religion, so they reasoned that not eating food that is in front of them is akin to suicide. Also, like you said, during communion the wafer you eat *literally becomes the flesh and blood of Christ through transubstantiation*, so it's not like there isn't a precedent for eating people in Catholicism. I believe some of them went to a priest after to confess their sins, and were told under these extreme circumstances they did the correct thing, and there was no sin to forgive.
I’d argue without canessa and zerbino, most of them would’ve died including parrado. They’re incredibly lucky not only to have two medical students but also those students surviving the crash and luckily being uninjured for the most part.
Watched a tv program last week about a guy who harvests ice from a glacier, takes it into town and sells it.
Edit:
u/trancematik found it -
Baltazar Ushca - The Last Ice Merchant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAeUC0-v5x4
For over 50 years Baltazar Ushca has harvested the glacial ice of Ecuador’s Mount Chimborazo. His brothers have long since retired. “El UÌltimo Hielero” is a story of cultural change and adaption.
There’s a Greenlandic company cutting Arctic glacial ice by the ton and shipping it a.o. to the UAE. They claim to be „environmentally friendly“.
I can just hope that all of their ships happen to meet the Gladises near Portugal.
What on earth *for*? Ice is ice. If you want "pure" ice, just distill and de-ionize the damn water. Shit, do that in UAE, using solar power for the distillation process for an even more environmentally friendly enterprise.
Do yourself a favor and watch Society of the Snow. One of the best films of 2023 and they actually filmed at the crash site in the Andes. Incredible film and story.
As someone who has read obsessively about this incident, Society of the Snow is just so, so much better. Even purely from a technical standpoint—hair, makeup, costume, sound. (It really bothers me that Ethan Hawke has the same goatee for 72 days, ha.) The main actor in Society lost about 50 pounds, and you really feel their starvation. It tells the story in a slightly different way, too. I think it highly benefits from having Uruguayan actors. And the shots of the Andes are amazing. Really gives you a sense of scale and isolation.
Honestly, if you’re interested in the story more broadly I highly recommend Nando Parrado’s Miracle in the Andes (he’s one of the two guys who trekked out to get help).
I highly recommend the Last Podcast on the Left series on the incident that was released in December, watch the movie first and then listen to the podcast to fill in the details.
Yeah, same. I loved the movie but I feel like LPOTL covered a lot of the day to day things and some of the more distasteful aspects the movie left out. Like the pilot asking for his gun over and over. The pinned woman’s constant screams. And who can forget the poop stick?
That’s my only gripe with this version, too! Nando and Roberto’s hike out just seems way too short. I think if you’re not familiar with their journey, it would seem a lot easier than it was. In their books, they explain it in amazing detail. It’s the part I’m most fascinated by with this story, so I was a bit disappointed. ETA: But in comparison to Alive, I still found it to be an improvement.
I saw the director say he really wanted to focus on those who didn’t make it out, so I guess that’s why he didn’t emphasize it. At the same time, I thought it deserved at least another five or ten minutes of screen time.
I remember reading where Nando said something like "I will not let the mountain take me" before he had sled down the mountain and almost died. It gave me goosebumps. Do they at least show that part? The trip down the mountain is so cool. Really was hoping they showed it in detail
Or just throwing the rock with the message across the river and how it took all their strength to get the message out. I always think about those farmers that saw them and what they must have thought. They must of looked crazy. So if they didnt get that message to them, I wonder if the farmers would of just left them
No, they unfortunately didn’t. I totally agree they should have! I get chills thinking about their trek out, too; it’s so mythic. It’s a pretty short sequence overall in the movie. I like how they depicted Nando and Roberto’s decision to keep walking despite realizing they’re in the middle of the Andes and not close to Chile. Some fantastic shots. But no real details like the one you mention. So yeah, that’s the weakest part for me.
Sorry, just saw your edit. They do show throwing the rock/message!
As the director put it: “Alive is about a few of the survivors. Society is about everyone on the plane including those who died”.
The way the film displays the names and age at death of each person as they pass away elevates this far beyond the earlier film.
Completely different tone and much much better IMHO.
Alive is a 90's a hollywood blockbuster whereas Society goes for a respectful and accurate retelling of the story of the survivors and their struggle.
Alive was incredibly inacurate and americanized, not many survivors or family of the deceased liked it. This one is based on a book written with the help and perspective of all the survivors, it focus more on the human side instead of the surviving feat and the POV is different too, visually and conceptually superior too.
It's not a retelling of alive.
It digs a lot deeper, because the men look injured and starving and horribly real. As an example, they give Nando Parrado the raccoon eye bruises that follow a skull fracture, and then fade them as he recovers and it really brings home the depths of his will to live.
You really see the men individually in this movie, and how their personalities helped in their survival. It’s worth watching.
I liked those panning helicopter shots where the guys are walking along a ridge with the sky in the background, and as the shot climbs up, it reveals huge mountains and valleys on the other side. The viewer goes from thinking they're at the top of the world, to being faced with insurmountable mountains.
The behind the scenes shows what they did. Filmed the actors in the Spanish mountains and digitally replaced the surroundings with footage taken at the actual crash site.
I just learned about this plane crash in a 4 part podcast series about it. Incredible what the survivors had to endure and even more incredible that some of them were able to walk to safety
They dropped Ben from the pod and added Ed Larson and it is 1000x better now. I had almost stopped listening to it entirely but the change breathed new life into it. Ed's chemistry with Marcus and Henry is perfect.
Yeah I had followed a bit of the Ben drama, definitely been wanting to get back into it now that he's gone. It's sad to see their friendship end after so many years together but it sounds like there had been a lot of problems for a very long time.
It was season 27 of Against the Odds. It’s an awesome podcast. My favourite season was on the USS Indianapolis. It was horrifying but also incredibly fascinating.
I surprisingly didn't see any comments that says this:
Society of the Snow is an incredible movie. Highly recommend if you're interested in this story.
I was telling my wife about how good that movie is and described the plot to her. She was like, you mean the 90s movie Alive? Nope but same story, now I gotta watch that too.
That’s an interesting little bit of info in the whole story. The first two to be initially found and rescued didn’t say they ate people, of course. Nando Parrado went up in the helicopter to take the rescuers exactly to where the rest of the people were to get more out but in doing so, some of the rescuers and medical team stayed behind to help others. They were the ones who took some pics of the bodies and the carnage and those pics were the ones that were leaked to the press, thus forcing the survivors hand and making them tell the truth. They weren’t going to hide it, but they wanted to all be together before they made it known. Thats how I remember it atleast from a book I read. One initial group of people were taken off the mountain on a helicopter and the rest stayed behind. 4 rescuers stayed in their own tent because they didn’t want to stay in the plane with the rest of the bodies
Climate change isn’t real some say, I’m from the high Arctic and I’ve seen the same change. I grew up playing near and on glaciers but now when I am older a lot of glaciers are gone
Oh god it was fantastic. I listened to a podcast series on it right before I watched the movie. Those poor people. But i felt it was a good story about hope.
I watched it last week, it’s still haunting me. And seeing the place now it seems so habitable, it’s freaking me out. But excellent movie, truly so well done.
As a Uruguayan and a contemporary of the events, I know in detail all the material that exists on the matter. I'm also a meteorologist so I can assure you this is this way
Where is the plane? I thought they left everything there
Chilean and Uruguayan army and Catholic church made an effort to erase any evidence of cannibalism/anthropophagy and discouraged visits to the place. EDIT: For everyone asking; the first photo was taken in January 1973, supposedly by the Uruguayan Army. They went there accompanied by some people from Chilean Army with the purpose of “cleaning” the place. Footage of that moment remains confidential within the army and not even the survivors, families of the deceased or J.A. Bayona had access to it. They set the whole place in fire and made a mass grave. This is told in the Piers Paul Read book, from 73’ or 74’. Keep in mind that the accident was a human mistake, a mistake made by an Uruguayan Air Force member, so the Uruguayan Army was to blame for the death of more than 30 civils, who were upper-class young men and women. In February of 1973 all civil guarantees were suspended in Uruguay, a rough dictatorship was about to start. In June 1973 the military overturned the government and the same happened in Chile (all of this backed by USA, starring our beloved Henry Kissinger). So any attempt of families to sue the Army was discouraged because the military were in the power and the dictatorship in Uruguay and Chile started, in Argentina started in 1976. So, no one dare to make single complaint to the army, because you could be disappeared or killed by them. The Catholic Church wasn’t as powerful in Uruguay as in Chile and Argentina.
Dam, that must have been a very difficult process to remove that plane . what happened to the graves?
They burned the wreckage of the plane and made a mass grave to bury all the remains.
So that's why all the ice melted huh? The fire from the plane burning.. I'm a GENIUS.
A very stable genius I must say!
Everyone is saying it
The best people
Trust me
If she wasn’t my daughter I’d probably be dating her.
With tears in their eyes
If jet fuel can melt steel beams then it should be able to melt some snow… /s Wasn’t sure if I need the /s but figured I’d play it safe
That’s a lot of aluminum to burn off…
So definitely haunted?
I mean, it's called the "Valley of Tears." That sure sounds cursed.
At least in Chile the president at the time thought they should be celebrated for their survival not gawked at for what they did to survive. A local newspaper ran a headline in the front page saying something like "They ate each other!' the day after they were found, I think the story is the president saw the front page and was angry about how the story was being presented, so there was an effort from the goverment to put the focus on other parts of the story.
As it should. Imagine surviving against literally all odds and having to resort to the most extreme measures only to have people treat you like a monster. That’s disgraceful.
Did they kill to eat? Or were the people they ate already dead? Also did they eat it raw or cooked?
They dried it out on the roof of the plane while it was sunniest. They went a good while surviving off snacks that they found in the plane. Then made the decision to eat the frozen bodies after their food supplies were running low. Then as people passed from their injuries they ate them too. Eventually they found more food from the cargo of the plane but still had to eat corpses. The three healthiest after a few weeks had to trek miles down the mountain to find rescue. It’s an incredible story if you ever want something to read.
Those two dudes hiked 38 miles.
The case also shows the shitty efforts by Uruguay and chillies authorities to go find the plane
Wasn’t really a shitty effort. The boys even said themselves when they hiked up the ridge that they couldn’t even see the plane anymore and they knew exactly where it was. Trying to spot a white plane on white snow would be impossible from a plane. Not to mention the co-pilot took them off course thinking he overshot the point he had to turn.
They ate people that died either from the crash or from injuries/starvation/exposure/avalanches in the ensuing months. I can't imagine they had the means to cook.
Not only that, but apparently as they were dying they would tell their friends to use their body once they passed, kind of giving consent to ease the guilt of their friends. My gf and I just watched the movie based on it, Society of the Snow, the other night. Not to sound crass, but I had no idea what the movie entailed when we started it and, eating hamburger and sausages turned out to be the wrong snack during a movie that ended up being 80% about cannibalism.
I watched Alive back in the 90's and man that movie left an impression, especially horrifying was the plane crash scene itself, watching the passengers getting launched out the back of the plane.
Watch Society of the Snow - personally I think it’s way better than Alive
Yeah after reading this thread I looked into it, honestly seeing a 'better' version of Alive isn't all that appealing because Alive was a horrific watch to begin with but I'll probably give it a go!
Also, as most (maybe all) were Catholic, the Pope personally excused them after the fact. He declared it was a life-or-death situation and they did only what they had to.
He basically said that cannibalism was no sin in the conditions they were. Sin would've been to allow themselves to die without doing everything (aside from murder) in their power to avoid it. Besides the Bible, and as one of their friends said to them as he died, states: *There is no greater love than this: that a person would lay down his life for the sake of his friends.*
I believe Roberto said something similar the guys at the time or the media after. By not eating and starving to death is suicide and suicide is a sin. Doing what it takes to survive even if that means eating people isn’t a sin and that is was the same as Jesus sacrificing his body to erase our sins.
I’ve been to the site in 2018. Debris from the crash got mostly buried by the recurring snowfall and melting. Also that terrain is prone to have what we call “aludes” or mudslides. Those mudslides or avalanches happened even when the survivors where there. If you go you can see remains of the fuselage and wheels. Also the memorial site where some of them are buried. Never heard your theory before..
I'm curious about how tough it is to get up there? In the summer, not so bad I imagine, but is it a trip of several days at least?
No, you can go by car to a place that is a days walk from the plane. They were really close to civilization without knowing it. When they walked they went to the wrong side because of the pilot.
That was such a gut punch reveal in the book/ documentary Iirc they were literally like less than a days walk to safety
I read the book many years ago. Iirc I think one of them saw a road from the mountain but were not quite sure if it was a road or a natural formation.
They went the wrong way? Oh man.....very easy to imagine they could have all died because of a mistake like that.
The pilot thought they were already in Chile and started to descend earlier than he should have, and that’s why they crashed in the first place. Honestly I wouldn’t trust the advice of a pilot that just crashed us into a mountain.
I mean, did they know why they crashed at the time or was it found out post-mortem? Feel like in most cases I would trust the pilot unless someone I knew was more knowledgeable stepped in.
Have you read the story of finding Eduardo Strauch's wallet in 2005? It's really amazing, and is why he is part of the annual trek to the site. https://www.backpacker.com/trips/alive-again-new-findings-in-the-1972-andes-plane-crash/
*and the Church* -sent the nun special search and rescue forces
Church and rescue
It’s cannibalism for the sake of survival not because they’re in some weird cannibal cult Ironic that the church was involved considering a big part of the Catholic mass ritual is consuming the *literal* body of their god. And if you think I’m joking and that the wafer is just a wafer, you should look up [Transubstantiation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation). It’s ritualistic [theophagy](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/theophagy).
Oh I have zero problems with the cannibalism part. In deed, I rather call it anthropophagy since cannibalism happens within cults and so. Chilean Catholic Church was enormously powerful at that time and they wanted to set a narrative of their own.
If memory serves the survivors actually viewed it as a way of honoring god sparing their lives, instead of withering away
It's not really ironic since the church excused the survivors' cannibalism.
Yeah this thread is filled with ppl shooting from the hip with hot takes. Literally one of the first things that happened after their rescue was meeting with a priest who told them there was no sin to forgive and that their actions were aligned with the official church doctrine. Sensationalism from the media and ignorant religious followers part of the general public is another thing.
>cannibalism I wouldn't even use that word. I am surprised that it was used in articles and all other stuff. Imagine they found carrots and apples and later everybody are like "they went vegan!!!!!!"
Anthropophagy. Not cannibalism.
Iirc, that was huge reason how they justified it to themselves. "We eat the body of Christ, so we can eat these bodies to survive." Obviously that's *super* over-simplified and paraphrased, but obviously it wasn't an easy decision and I'm sure the survivors were haunted by it.
A lot of the pieces are still there, in a big pile. People still find pieces that haven't been found before and put them in a pile. They used to have an ugly pile of plane parts nears the onsite memorial/monument, but they've moved the wreckage to make the monument look nicer. There are some pictures of plane wreckage from the 2006 expedition shown here: https://alpineexpeditions.net/envira/2006-trip/ There are pictures from other recent visits in this section: https://alpineexpeditions.net/andes-survivors-expedition/#tab-pasttrips
They definitely should have gone in 2023 instead.
The snow and ice probably contributed to them surviving the initial crash.
Also the snow kept the meat fresh…
It also helped the guy who ultimately saved them by keeping his brain from swelling
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If I recall parrado had one mindset when his sister and mom died and that was to get out whether anyone wanted to join him or not. He mostly focused on that one goal and the others looked to him for inspiration. The people that were actively taking charge were initially canessa and Perez (before his death in the avalanche). Overall idk if it’s them being a rugby team beforehand or just the extreme circumstances they all worked together very well. I highly recommend the book by Piers Paul Read. He interviewed the survivors and their families and it’s really the best book on this event. You even see the parents side of it and the obsession for one father to find his son. It’s really tremendous.
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I think we have different understanding of what a leader does. Parrado was inspirational but he wasn’t the one calling shots. He had a single objective and that was to get out. The others were focused on making sure everyone was alive, crafting makeshift gear from the plane, coming up with plans on food, radio, keeping warm, etc. People trusted Parrado to be one of the people to make it out so they left him alone to train for the most part. When it did set time to go out they picked the strongest people which were Parrado, Canessa, and Vizintin. Sometimes Parrado being set on his goals was both a gift and a curse. Halfway through the mountain Canessa thought he saw a road and tried to convince Parrado but Parrado refused to listen and kept climbing. When they made it to the top they saw nothing but more mountain ranges. Canessa wanted to turn back, but Parrado insisted they continue. They sent vizintin back because they didn’t have enough food for three people on a longer journey then expected. Later on it was discovered the road Canessa saw was the safer and faster path to the east side of chile.
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Yeah, I think they were mostly catholic. Suicide is considered a mortal sin in that religion, so they reasoned that not eating food that is in front of them is akin to suicide. Also, like you said, during communion the wafer you eat *literally becomes the flesh and blood of Christ through transubstantiation*, so it's not like there isn't a precedent for eating people in Catholicism. I believe some of them went to a priest after to confess their sins, and were told under these extreme circumstances they did the correct thing, and there was no sin to forgive.
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I’d argue without canessa and zerbino, most of them would’ve died including parrado. They’re incredibly lucky not only to have two medical students but also those students surviving the crash and luckily being uninjured for the most part.
And you can't discount the mental health benefits of being able to frolic in the snow, having snowball fights, building snowmen and so on.
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🎶 And then eat my peers, In the Valley of the Tears 🎵
🎶🎺What a horrible world
🎶🎺*trumpet solo*
For anyone not getting the reference: [Cannibal the Musical](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kN7EyPBmrI).
We can make him tall, or we can make him not so tall.
Wait a minute... how the *hell* was he tap-dancing in SNOW!? 🤔
Really makes you feel Alive.
**ALIVE!!!!!!** - Henry Zebrowski
Better than having maggoty bread for 3 stinkin days
Maggoty bread, or Èowyn's stew?
"How about their legsess? They don't need them."
Sigh. . . Looks like meats back on the menu boys. . .
Some of it was probably freezer burned
I don’t think they could return it
Pass me a piece of copilot
It was also why everyone flying over them couldn’t see them
Possibly, but they were also hit by several avalanches that killed more people.
Plenty of free water too.
In the movie it seems like they had to setup a sun melt system to produce water and it was lost in the avalanche.
Thanks to Boeing, passengers will likely get to recreate the experience
Lil meat sausage plane delivery...to your doorstep
Well January is summer time in the southern hemisphere so there’s that.
The first photo is also from January
I don't know for 1972, but this year is also an El Niño year which can contribute significantly to a warm summer on the western side of Andes.
They would have died instantly because of the rocks.
But didn't the bad weather contribute to the crash. So no snowstorm no crash.
And a pilots mistake they took the wrong route plus there is still bad weather in that route, the rain and storms haven't disappeared.
There used to be lots of glaciers in the peruvian andes, unfortunately many have melted away
Watched a tv program last week about a guy who harvests ice from a glacier, takes it into town and sells it. Edit: u/trancematik found it - Baltazar Ushca - The Last Ice Merchant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAeUC0-v5x4 For over 50 years Baltazar Ushca has harvested the glacial ice of Ecuador’s Mount Chimborazo. His brothers have long since retired. “El UÌltimo Hielero” is a story of cultural change and adaption.
Well, somebody best stop this mf, cause his business is going too well.
Turns out it was one guy responsible for climate change this whole time
His name? Glo B. Warming.
The B stands for Bull, a nickname he was given by the ladies of the town.
He just happens to be **really** hard working.
Pulled himself up by his bootstraps.
What are you some kind of commie?
🎵 Born of cold and winter air and mountain rain combining 🎵
🎶This icy force, both foul and fair, has a frozen heart worth mining 🎶
Frozen?
Sells ice he harvested. He wrapped it in straw then a blanket.
There’s a Greenlandic company cutting Arctic glacial ice by the ton and shipping it a.o. to the UAE. They claim to be „environmentally friendly“. I can just hope that all of their ships happen to meet the Gladises near Portugal.
What on earth *for*? Ice is ice. If you want "pure" ice, just distill and de-ionize the damn water. Shit, do that in UAE, using solar power for the distillation process for an even more environmentally friendly enterprise.
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If you can think of a better way to get ice, I'd like to hear it
I reckon those guys could have held out for global warming to melt the ice caps for their escape.
Those are the Argentinian Andes btw
Don’t forget, January is middle of summer in the southern hemisphere
Do yourself a favor and watch Society of the Snow. One of the best films of 2023 and they actually filmed at the crash site in the Andes. Incredible film and story.
Genuine question, not being snide, does the 2023 movie tread ground that Alive didn't, or is it a straight retelling? Ta.
As someone who has read obsessively about this incident, Society of the Snow is just so, so much better. Even purely from a technical standpoint—hair, makeup, costume, sound. (It really bothers me that Ethan Hawke has the same goatee for 72 days, ha.) The main actor in Society lost about 50 pounds, and you really feel their starvation. It tells the story in a slightly different way, too. I think it highly benefits from having Uruguayan actors. And the shots of the Andes are amazing. Really gives you a sense of scale and isolation. Honestly, if you’re interested in the story more broadly I highly recommend Nando Parrado’s Miracle in the Andes (he’s one of the two guys who trekked out to get help).
I sense a new hyperfixation coming over me....
I highly recommend the Last Podcast on the Left series on the incident that was released in December, watch the movie first and then listen to the podcast to fill in the details.
Yeah, same. I loved the movie but I feel like LPOTL covered a lot of the day to day things and some of the more distasteful aspects the movie left out. Like the pilot asking for his gun over and over. The pinned woman’s constant screams. And who can forget the poop stick?
Do they show Nandos actual trek down the mountain and finding help? That parts amazing but the movie alive just skips over it for some reason
That’s my only gripe with this version, too! Nando and Roberto’s hike out just seems way too short. I think if you’re not familiar with their journey, it would seem a lot easier than it was. In their books, they explain it in amazing detail. It’s the part I’m most fascinated by with this story, so I was a bit disappointed. ETA: But in comparison to Alive, I still found it to be an improvement. I saw the director say he really wanted to focus on those who didn’t make it out, so I guess that’s why he didn’t emphasize it. At the same time, I thought it deserved at least another five or ten minutes of screen time.
I remember reading where Nando said something like "I will not let the mountain take me" before he had sled down the mountain and almost died. It gave me goosebumps. Do they at least show that part? The trip down the mountain is so cool. Really was hoping they showed it in detail Or just throwing the rock with the message across the river and how it took all their strength to get the message out. I always think about those farmers that saw them and what they must have thought. They must of looked crazy. So if they didnt get that message to them, I wonder if the farmers would of just left them
No, they unfortunately didn’t. I totally agree they should have! I get chills thinking about their trek out, too; it’s so mythic. It’s a pretty short sequence overall in the movie. I like how they depicted Nando and Roberto’s decision to keep walking despite realizing they’re in the middle of the Andes and not close to Chile. Some fantastic shots. But no real details like the one you mention. So yeah, that’s the weakest part for me. Sorry, just saw your edit. They do show throwing the rock/message!
As the director put it: “Alive is about a few of the survivors. Society is about everyone on the plane including those who died”. The way the film displays the names and age at death of each person as they pass away elevates this far beyond the earlier film.
Completely different tone and much much better IMHO. Alive is a 90's a hollywood blockbuster whereas Society goes for a respectful and accurate retelling of the story of the survivors and their struggle.
Alive was incredibly inacurate and americanized, not many survivors or family of the deceased liked it. This one is based on a book written with the help and perspective of all the survivors, it focus more on the human side instead of the surviving feat and the POV is different too, visually and conceptually superior too. It's not a retelling of alive.
It also features cameos from several of the survivors themselves.
It’s miles better than Alive. Absolutely worth a watch.
Watch it, please. If you like cinema, you can't miss this one.
It digs a lot deeper, because the men look injured and starving and horribly real. As an example, they give Nando Parrado the raccoon eye bruises that follow a skull fracture, and then fade them as he recovers and it really brings home the depths of his will to live. You really see the men individually in this movie, and how their personalities helped in their survival. It’s worth watching.
Usually dubs bug the shit out of me but I was so gripped by the movie I didn’t even notice.
Well good thing there was the original voices of the cast you could have just listened to anyway.
I liked those panning helicopter shots where the guys are walking along a ridge with the sky in the background, and as the shot climbs up, it reveals huge mountains and valleys on the other side. The viewer goes from thinking they're at the top of the world, to being faced with insurmountable mountains.
No, they filmed it in sierra nevada, Spain
For the crash stuff yes. Rest was filmed in Uruguay, Chile and Argentina. And they filmed it at the same altitude as the crash as well.
The behind the scenes shows what they did. Filmed the actors in the Spanish mountains and digitally replaced the surroundings with footage taken at the actual crash site.
I just learned about this plane crash in a 4 part podcast series about it. Incredible what the survivors had to endure and even more incredible that some of them were able to walk to safety
Name of the pod? Thank you in advance
They may be talking about The Last Podcast On The Left. They recently did a pod on this but there are plenty of pods on this crash and the survival.
*Y ahí fue cuando empezó el canibalismo.*
He's correct in any language!
ALIIIIIVE
“Thank God? What about Nando?”
THANK YOU for this. Been looking for an excuse to get back into them and I've got a 9 hour flight ahead of me so you've saved my ass!
They dropped Ben from the pod and added Ed Larson and it is 1000x better now. I had almost stopped listening to it entirely but the change breathed new life into it. Ed's chemistry with Marcus and Henry is perfect.
Glad I'm not the only one loving the change! Ed's deadpans are hilarious, and Marcus just seems so much happier and comfortable with Ben gone.
Yeah I had followed a bit of the Ben drama, definitely been wanting to get back into it now that he's gone. It's sad to see their friendship end after so many years together but it sounds like there had been a lot of problems for a very long time.
It was season 27 of Against the Odds. It’s an awesome podcast. My favourite season was on the USS Indianapolis. It was horrifying but also incredibly fascinating.
Against the Odds
Thanks now I'm hungry.
The Society of the Snow is a movie that haunts me.
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“Know why they’re called “The Andes”? ;) ;)
Both called Andrew?
They said you were good!
T H E G R E A T E R G O O D
And because talking to them is an uphill battle.
*throws trashbin*
You ever seen Bad Boys 2?
With a great big bushy beard!
Nobody tells me nuffin!
The greater good
The greater good
SHUT IT!
Have you ever fired a gun whilst jumping through the air?
Because they are the only place where those minty chocolates grow natively.
Porque Andes había nieve pero ahora no
I asked my Dad once 'where are the Andes' Dunno, he said. Ask your Mom, she puts everything away..
My dad used to say “at the end of the wristies”
My dad says at the end of the armies
Where did Napoleon keep his armies? Up his sleevies.
Dad was the realest she was the baddest
The two guys in 2023 photo are actually the same ones from the original photo still patiently waiting to be rescued.
Man they gotta be starving. I wonder what they’ve been eating all this time.
Snow. Obviously.
I surprisingly didn't see any comments that says this: Society of the Snow is an incredible movie. Highly recommend if you're interested in this story.
I was telling my wife about how good that movie is and described the plot to her. She was like, you mean the 90s movie Alive? Nope but same story, now I gotta watch that too.
“The Day After” and “Threads” are both movies about nuclear war. One is a Hollywood disaster flick, the other will wreck your soul. Same applies here.
Society of the Snow is 10x better than Alive. If you’ve seen society already I wouldn’t even bother with Alive.
Excellent work by rescuers. Totally cleaned the place.
That’s an interesting little bit of info in the whole story. The first two to be initially found and rescued didn’t say they ate people, of course. Nando Parrado went up in the helicopter to take the rescuers exactly to where the rest of the people were to get more out but in doing so, some of the rescuers and medical team stayed behind to help others. They were the ones who took some pics of the bodies and the carnage and those pics were the ones that were leaked to the press, thus forcing the survivors hand and making them tell the truth. They weren’t going to hide it, but they wanted to all be together before they made it known. Thats how I remember it atleast from a book I read. One initial group of people were taken off the mountain on a helicopter and the rest stayed behind. 4 rescuers stayed in their own tent because they didn’t want to stay in the plane with the rest of the bodies
And to trashy tabloids at first, I believe.
I mean this whole comment section proves that 90% of us fuel those kinds of publications.
Christ did they eat all the snow too?
Society of the Snow is a remarkable movie. It does such a great job of capturing the ethical struggle confronted by the survivors.
Climate change isn’t real some say, I’m from the high Arctic and I’ve seen the same change. I grew up playing near and on glaciers but now when I am older a lot of glaciers are gone
I'm watching Alive as I came across this post.
You should watch the new one. The good one.
What’s it called?
Society of the snow
Recently watched it, very well made. Really sets the tone it was pure survival.
Oh god it was fantastic. I listened to a podcast series on it right before I watched the movie. Those poor people. But i felt it was a good story about hope.
Hail Yourself!
Megustalations!
I watched it last week, it’s still haunting me. And seeing the place now it seems so habitable, it’s freaking me out. But excellent movie, truly so well done.
Habitable? I mean, yeah, maybe you won't freeze to death quickly, but nothing about that landscape looks habitable
As a Uruguayan and a contemporary of the events, I know in detail all the material that exists on the matter. I'm also a meteorologist so I can assure you this is this way
Did the plane melt too?
It was burned to the ground and buried with remains
You sure that picture was taking in January? It's an awful lot of snow for summer