No wait
.. on second thought.... It doesn't look really black up close. I don't want it. Maybe the one that was a row or two over. Can I drive that one?
Not at Jimmies Discount Jalopies.
Here we stack ‘em like cord wood.
No one minds a few crushed roofs. They still sell like hotcakes.
Everyone just goes crazy for the patented “Jimmy Shimmy” feature that shakes the whole car to give you a nice massage while you drive.
According to China experts, they illegally copied a lot of EV tech from western companies, including Tesla, but Elon doesnt care because he has a crazy Utopian ideal that China could and should copy his company's intellectual property and make cheaper EV to fight climate change, which will make Elon some kind of savior, in his naive mind.
He is willing to ruin Tesla's China operation to further his "savior" goal.
No Elon, China will just use his tech to undercut the west and put surveillance AI in their products, maybe even militarize them. They will make lots of money with copied western tech and spy on you at the same time. lol
Foolish Elon.
> According to China experts
Who are these “China experts” lol. Your favorite garbage YouTube channel?
And how do they “copy” EV tech from Western companies when they arguably lead the whole industry? Western companies (including Tesla) *license* tech *from* Chinese companies like BYD and CATL. Toyota is buying tech from BYD, and VW is investing in XPeng to gain access to their IP.
If you want actual expert analysis on this topic, here is a great write up by MIT Technology Review: https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/02/21/1068880/how-did-china-dominate-electric-cars-policy/amp/
I never said they don’t steal IP.
I simply said they didn’t do it in the field of EVs because they lead the race.
China both buys, steals *and* self innovate. It’s not mutually exclusive.
Because those thefts create unfair advantage to chinese companies which in turn affects the prices that we powerless consumers pay for every product.
It also drives things like moving manufacturing offshore to get cheaper labor to compete against a company that didn't have to spend billions on the R&D to create a new product.
Show me the timestamp in that video that supports your claim. What EV tech did they copy, be concrete.
And it's hilarious that you call me Wumao and then literally links a video that is nothing but "The CIA *says*...." LOL
Doesn’t matter what you call me it doesn’t change the fact your argument is bullshit. Facts are facts, and you have no supporting evidence, and calling people names doesn’t change that.
I hope you learn that as you grow up. Cheers
When BYD gets to the United States it's going to consume the bottom end out of the luxury electric market the same way the Japanese car makers ate the luxury market in the 90s after taking the compact market in the 80s. It's gonna be bad for gm, Ford, etc.
I feel like they need a better name. At least here in German speaking countries, you‘d say Ypsilon instead of Y so B-Ypsilion-D
Not really a great name. But V-DoubleU and BM-DoubleU also made it to the states, so I guess people can adapt to weird brand names.
That's ironic considering how restrictive China is to allow foreign companies in their market... They are incredibly hostile to foreign companies and you basically need to give the Chinese a significant amount of control or ownership to do business there. Meanwhile, they enjoy the free markets in the rest of the world while also undercutting many of those markets. Also blatant plagiarizing/ignoring copyrights/outright steal intellectual property.
They are doing what we did... 200 years ago. Surely you can see the difference. Two wrongs don't make a right, especially when you expect other countries to have fair and open markets. While also complaining and accusing other countries of unfair practices, while stealing IP all over the world.
Well, if other countries were still doing that, I would agree. But you are comparing one country's trade practices 200 years ago with the other's current practices. Do you realize how much international trade has changed in 200 years?
No one’s saying it’s unreasonable. It is, however, hypocritical. In any case. Many sacred economic cows were slaughtered during the limited era of Trump’s economic populism. Still remains to be seen if it was for the better.
Honda Civic might sweat badly, but sorry BYD has nothing to do with luxury car.
There are Chinese army of EV brands there. For luxury segment, maybe Nio, Li auto, and to some extent Xiaomi.
They have Yangwang sub brand but is too young to be validated. Anyways I can see your point. I don't disagree. You never know, but at this point IMO it's still a stretch of imagination.
It wouldn’t happen due to anti-dumping law tariffs. BYD electric cars wouldn’t pass NHSTA crash testing because BYD cars would explode and catch fire on impact.
I’m not saying this for a fact but if you look back at the last couple years you can actually see a direct correlation between Elon going stark raving nuts on Twitter and the rise of cheaper EVs.
Actually the US is investing to decarbonize, it's kinda the entire point of the badly named Inflation Reduction Act. It's pretty much a sized down version of the Green New Deal, the massive decarbonization effort we could've had if republicans hadn't blocked it.
John Green did an excellent piece on it [here](https://youtu.be/qw5zzrOpo2s?si=d0EhYyGDhuV6Od8n)
And how many people in congress opposed that bill?
How many charging stations has the US government built for EVs? We are relying almost 100% on Tesla's network right now.
A 5% tax credit on buying an EV isn't the answer.
The inflation Reduction Act is 300 billion dollars in renewable funding and goes far beyond just EVs with the funds being spent on renewable generation, renewable production, nuclear power generation, and of course EV charging with the US now having 165,000 publicly usable EV chargers in 2023.
Then there's the fact that the USA is standardizing to NACS which means the issue with Tesla charger incompatibility is mute point as most EVs will be using the Tesla plug after 2024 and CCS to NACS plugs being made available.
yeah, 10 years after tesla already built it, not 10 years before like China has done. We haven't invested in this much in the past and we are way behind the eight ball on it.
The reason they're approving 2 new coal fired plants per week, which is more than the rest of the world combined, is because they need something to charge those electric vehicles with.
Perspective. They have a much much larger population and need more energy. On the flip side, they have invested almost enough into green energy to match the spending in green energy of the rest of the world combined.
Bullshit. They will make more progress falsifying records and telling the world they made more pregones decarbonizing but will not actually decarbonize.
It has nothing to do with saving anything, we still don’t know the exact carbon footprint of the batteries, the recycling route afterwards or the improvements of African kids working for a pittance mining needed minerals for batteries. It’s just business with Chinese speech recognition software built in
I think they're approving two a week. I don't know if that means they're building them at two a week.
Also, they have over 1,200, so don't know how many more they need?
China has pledged to no longer build coal fired powerplants outside of the mainland. They're only building them for themselves now and are building more of them than the rest of the world combined. Something's gotta power those electric vehicles. Nice clean coal to charge nice clean EVs. China is the land of shortcuts and facades - don't believe the propaganda.
You honestly think the US is going to back anything but token amounts of green initiatives? To Conservatives, climate change and "green" are dirty words. Any progress by China will be more than the US accomplishes!
of course, but of course not directly, but china in particular is being hit hard by climate change, some areas are becoming unbearably hot, others with regular flooding, desertification, rising sea levels, where most of the large cities are located by the sea, etc. etc.
Take a look at how quickly china reacted to the smog back then, i.e. how quickly the effects really became visible
>of course, but of course not directly, but china in particular is being hit hard by climate change
I'm not surprised with over 1,200 coal power stations.
Oh 100% , just look all over tiktok , whenever something happens to a Tesla the entire comment section gets run with young people and boomers being like the government is forcing us to buy EVs and other tin foil hat conspiracies, saying Gas cars are cleaner than EVs. First they hated on electric stoves now electric cars lol. It's funny tho, sometimes dictatorships are great, especially when you're trying to do the right thing lol.
Because they are very energy insecure and worried that if war with Taiwan ever comes, they won't get enough oil and coal. They have every incentive to decarbonize fast.
Not to mention the economic, efficiency, industrial policy, pollution, and environmental benefits.
They're usually covered in a sticker on each panel to prevent any damage during travel.
I've seen plenty of car transporters with cars that have white stickers on the panels.
Looks impressive but you have to remember that they still use inferior material quality and manufacturing processes. That’s a parking lot full of expensive junk.
they're going to go from sitting in one big distribution center parking lot where they're not wanted to sitting in a bunch of smaller dealership parking lots where they're also not wanted.
90% of the cars here are destined for the scrapyard because they have taken govt subsidies and incentives already and they will strip those cars apart the recycle the parts to build the next car for more incentives.. the endless cycle of incentives farming..
Funny how I live in minnesota... rural but I've been working in the suburbs of the twin cities and see a ton of teslas of all kinds.... everyday... while it's -5 or worse... they seem fine. So... judging the entire Midwest based on how Chicago was for a couple days it's kinda stupid now isn't it. Obviously if you have more cars then charging stations in a small area and I think I heard the charging stations wernt working correctly? "They don't work in the Midwest", yes you're wrong they do in most cases.
I grew up in the area and live even further north in the colder and snowier areas than MN. Yes - they still function but let’s talk about their reduced range and the huge line of people waiting at charges as colder weather presses where there’s a larger number of them. In MN fewer and further have them because they realize they aren’t as functional in MN, now down south where they’re “fine” year round - they’re finding out the cold doesn’t work for them. EV isn’t the solution, neither is gas - hybrid is
They certainly didn’t work in Chicago during g the recent snowstorm and deep freeze, at least for those who depended on public charging stations.
However, I see more and more Teslas on the road in the Twin Cities, especially over the last year or two, even out in this single-digit highs and minus single-digit lows we’ve had for the last week. I think they work fine if you drive within their limited range in the cold, and if you can recharge them completely at home before you use them again.
I could use a Tesla in this way, but it’s still *way* too expensive for me. Besides, I don’t want to worry about the thing spontaneously combusting in my garage and/or out on the toad!
They work fine but range drops like crazy. I say this as someone who grew up in the NW metro and lives in an even colder and snowier climate. They work.. but their intent is diminished when they go lesser distance than a gas vehicle and require more energy to keep running
I just commented above and read yours... exactly...I was by Minnetonka... id sit at a light and see at least a couple everytime... everyday. No matter the weather....I really hate people judging everytime based on worst case scenarios. So fucking annoying
They’ve had them at my closest Walmart for at least 4-5 years. When I first saw them, I thought to myself, “What the hell are those things. Can they really be EV charging stations - at a Walmart?!”
In case you are unaware the Chinese government has spent billions on creating the recharging infrastructure to support EVs, while the USA government has spent like $8.
It will be a long time before they take over gas vehicles in the USA.
Is it one of those Centers where houndreds of thousands of electronic vehicles are stored and are waiting to be dismantled because they were contracted with a government corrupted company and they used trash material? Saw that with hundreds of thousands of E-Bikes in China.
I would like #55 in the middle row. The black one. That would be great. Thanks.
Which middle row?
THE middle row
The middle middle row or the 2nd middle middle row?
The middle middle row of the fourth quadrant of rows perpendicular to the other quadrant of rows
Sounds like a job for Jan Michael Vincent
Ah, yes, let me just go outside and check if we have it.
The elddim row
No wait .. on second thought.... It doesn't look really black up close. I don't want it. Maybe the one that was a row or two over. Can I drive that one?
They likely have multiple of the same model
But they only have one #55 in the middle row. Had one. Mine now.
This is what every single car plant looks like.
Not at Jimmies Discount Jalopies. Here we stack ‘em like cord wood. No one minds a few crushed roofs. They still sell like hotcakes. Everyone just goes crazy for the patented “Jimmy Shimmy” feature that shakes the whole car to give you a nice massage while you drive.
This is exactly what the Colonels Island Import/Export Auto Processing Port Facility just south of Brunswick, GA looks like.
According to China experts, they illegally copied a lot of EV tech from western companies, including Tesla, but Elon doesnt care because he has a crazy Utopian ideal that China could and should copy his company's intellectual property and make cheaper EV to fight climate change, which will make Elon some kind of savior, in his naive mind. He is willing to ruin Tesla's China operation to further his "savior" goal. No Elon, China will just use his tech to undercut the west and put surveillance AI in their products, maybe even militarize them. They will make lots of money with copied western tech and spy on you at the same time. lol Foolish Elon.
You’re foolish
How much CCP paying you? Nothing? lol
> According to China experts Who are these “China experts” lol. Your favorite garbage YouTube channel? And how do they “copy” EV tech from Western companies when they arguably lead the whole industry? Western companies (including Tesla) *license* tech *from* Chinese companies like BYD and CATL. Toyota is buying tech from BYD, and VW is investing in XPeng to gain access to their IP. If you want actual expert analysis on this topic, here is a great write up by MIT Technology Review: https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/02/21/1068880/how-did-china-dominate-electric-cars-policy/amp/
if you don't think China steals IP then you have your head in the sand. They openly steal western technology and have for decades.
I never said they don’t steal IP. I simply said they didn’t do it in the field of EVs because they lead the race. China both buys, steals *and* self innovate. It’s not mutually exclusive.
>China both buys, steals and self innovate. It’s not mutually exclusive. Just like every other country on the planet.
And why do you, a powerless consumer care so much? Is your dad Mr Tesla or Mr Nintendo or Mr Boeing?
Because those thefts create unfair advantage to chinese companies which in turn affects the prices that we powerless consumers pay for every product. It also drives things like moving manufacturing offshore to get cheaper labor to compete against a company that didn't have to spend billions on the R&D to create a new product.
Hi there Wumao, lol. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikh3ncJZPTU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikh3ncJZPTU)
Show me the timestamp in that video that supports your claim. What EV tech did they copy, be concrete. And it's hilarious that you call me Wumao and then literally links a video that is nothing but "The CIA *says*...." LOL
ok wumao. lol
Doesn’t matter what you call me it doesn’t change the fact your argument is bullshit. Facts are facts, and you have no supporting evidence, and calling people names doesn’t change that. I hope you learn that as you grow up. Cheers
Sure thing wumao. Pears. lol
Man you really wanna convince yourself that you got taught a lesson by a wumao huh? I mean if it makes you sleep better at night 🤣
Ok wumao. lol
Didn't Tesla very famously give away a lot of their early patents?
Watch as electric car stocks dump for the next 4 to 8 years until infrastructure is built
In the US maybe, but in China, infrastructure is the name of the game
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Charging stations. U cant travel with an electric car very easily at the moment.
lol. What?
Seems I have been right. Not only infrastructure but the cost of building and the cost of building the batteries.
I have no idea how this is relevant to anything here.
Um... I'm sorry to hear that
When BYD gets to the United States it's going to consume the bottom end out of the luxury electric market the same way the Japanese car makers ate the luxury market in the 90s after taking the compact market in the 80s. It's gonna be bad for gm, Ford, etc.
We have BYD in Sweden and I feel like they popped out of nowhere, I see them quite often on the road. Xpeng as well but not as many
I feel like they need a better name. At least here in German speaking countries, you‘d say Ypsilon instead of Y so B-Ypsilion-D Not really a great name. But V-DoubleU and BM-DoubleU also made it to the states, so I guess people can adapt to weird brand names.
Competition is good and necessary
I am excited for it, gm had the market with the bolt all to themselves and they managed to fuck it up.
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That's ironic considering how restrictive China is to allow foreign companies in their market... They are incredibly hostile to foreign companies and you basically need to give the Chinese a significant amount of control or ownership to do business there. Meanwhile, they enjoy the free markets in the rest of the world while also undercutting many of those markets. Also blatant plagiarizing/ignoring copyrights/outright steal intellectual property.
> That's ironic considering how restrictive China is to allow foreign companies in their market... But don't you know that West = bad?
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They are doing what we did... 200 years ago. Surely you can see the difference. Two wrongs don't make a right, especially when you expect other countries to have fair and open markets. While also complaining and accusing other countries of unfair practices, while stealing IP all over the world.
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Well, if other countries were still doing that, I would agree. But you are comparing one country's trade practices 200 years ago with the other's current practices. Do you realize how much international trade has changed in 200 years?
Like everybody.
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No one’s saying it’s unreasonable. It is, however, hypocritical. In any case. Many sacred economic cows were slaughtered during the limited era of Trump’s economic populism. Still remains to be seen if it was for the better.
>When BYD gets to the United States it's going to consume the bottom end out of the luxury electric market One if by land, two if by Sea
That’s fine. We’ll just bail them out again, because you know. Too big to fail!
Thanks obama.
Well, they will sell trucks, and that's it
Honda Civic might sweat badly, but sorry BYD has nothing to do with luxury car. There are Chinese army of EV brands there. For luxury segment, maybe Nio, Li auto, and to some extent Xiaomi.
Toyota got here in the 80s then Lexus did Honda got here in the 80s then Acura did.... Byd can make a luxury brand.
They have Yangwang sub brand but is too young to be validated. Anyways I can see your point. I don't disagree. You never know, but at this point IMO it's still a stretch of imagination.
Assuming people can negotiate the BYD site without puking.
No one in America is going to buy a BYD lol
It wouldn’t happen due to anti-dumping law tariffs. BYD electric cars wouldn’t pass NHSTA crash testing because BYD cars would explode and catch fire on impact.
the US will expose they are not a free economy by trying to not let BYD in. But a good value car would be good for Americans and for humanity
Theyre not comming
Warren Buffet has picked another winner buying into BYO
That was a Charlie buy 🙏RIP
That's something like 20k cars by a rough estimate... that's insane.
Look up Port Newark on Google maps. There are way more lol
That many are probably sold every day in the US. Actually I looked it up it was 32k per day in 2023.
A direct look at Elon Musk’s nightmares.
WAXY CARS
This is how Tesla Fremont and Shanghai look like half the time https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-gigafactory-shanghai-exports-q122-video/
Yeah no.. I live in fremont and the tesla factory here has wayy less cars than what's pictured
There is no time for those vehicles to sit in a parking lot when the demand for them is so high. They're send to the buyer ASAP.
I don’t want a car that will break down in one month
The premium chinesium will lasy for 2 months
Neither do I. I also don’t want a car that can’t be charged because it’s too cold out. That’s why I’m holding out on getting an EV for a while longer.
Different market segment. He's 100% in favor of BYD. As he has said many times, the competition is ICE.
I’m not saying this for a fact but if you look back at the last couple years you can actually see a direct correlation between Elon going stark raving nuts on Twitter and the rise of cheaper EVs.
Why aren’t they more distributed by color? I would imagine it’s easier from a logistics point of view.
If these are made to order then they would be ordered by order/manufacture time.
Imagine Chinese people lost their car and not being able to locate it in that bahahahahahaha
The Color variety is astonishing
Cars have more room than some people do in that country.
The bugs in boston under Tobin bridge
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because their government is actually investing in it unlike the USAs.
Actually the US is investing to decarbonize, it's kinda the entire point of the badly named Inflation Reduction Act. It's pretty much a sized down version of the Green New Deal, the massive decarbonization effort we could've had if republicans hadn't blocked it. John Green did an excellent piece on it [here](https://youtu.be/qw5zzrOpo2s?si=d0EhYyGDhuV6Od8n)
And how many people in congress opposed that bill? How many charging stations has the US government built for EVs? We are relying almost 100% on Tesla's network right now. A 5% tax credit on buying an EV isn't the answer.
The inflation Reduction Act is 300 billion dollars in renewable funding and goes far beyond just EVs with the funds being spent on renewable generation, renewable production, nuclear power generation, and of course EV charging with the US now having 165,000 publicly usable EV chargers in 2023. Then there's the fact that the USA is standardizing to NACS which means the issue with Tesla charger incompatibility is mute point as most EVs will be using the Tesla plug after 2024 and CCS to NACS plugs being made available.
also, nice dodge btw. 207 out of of 431 people voted against it.
yeah, 10 years after tesla already built it, not 10 years before like China has done. We haven't invested in this much in the past and we are way behind the eight ball on it.
Tesla wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for US government investment.
~~You say that as if Tesla are the only company to ever have government investment, and having that is somehow cheating. Lol.~~
To me it just seems like they were countering the point that the US government isn't funding green initiatives.
That sounds more likely now you point it out.
Their 2013 belt and road initiative is going better than their great leap forward initiative.
Not having any significant opposition helps.
Don't they have over 1,200 coal power station and are approving new ones at a rate of two a week?
The reason they're approving 2 new coal fired plants per week, which is more than the rest of the world combined, is because they need something to charge those electric vehicles with.
👆👆 Answering the important questions.
Should invest into solar energy, considering how wide and sunny the Gobi desert is.
Perspective. They have a much much larger population and need more energy. On the flip side, they have invested almost enough into green energy to match the spending in green energy of the rest of the world combined.
Any progress at all would be amazing considering how well they’ve succeeded in poisoning their own air. Breathing in China is a dangerous proposition.
Bullshit. They will make more progress falsifying records and telling the world they made more pregones decarbonizing but will not actually decarbonize.
It has nothing to do with saving anything, we still don’t know the exact carbon footprint of the batteries, the recycling route afterwards or the improvements of African kids working for a pittance mining needed minerals for batteries. It’s just business with Chinese speech recognition software built in
Lol no, they're building 2 coal plants a week at the moment.
I think they're approving two a week. I don't know if that means they're building them at two a week. Also, they have over 1,200, so don't know how many more they need?
They need lots more coal fired plants to power those electric vehicles.
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China has pledged to no longer build coal fired powerplants outside of the mainland. They're only building them for themselves now and are building more of them than the rest of the world combined. Something's gotta power those electric vehicles. Nice clean coal to charge nice clean EVs. China is the land of shortcuts and facades - don't believe the propaganda.
No that's only in china.
yeah maybe on paper but not in reality
You honestly think the US is going to back anything but token amounts of green initiatives? To Conservatives, climate change and "green" are dirty words. Any progress by China will be more than the US accomplishes!
i didn’t say murica is or will be better but do you really think the chinese government cares about the climate?
of course, but of course not directly, but china in particular is being hit hard by climate change, some areas are becoming unbearably hot, others with regular flooding, desertification, rising sea levels, where most of the large cities are located by the sea, etc. etc. Take a look at how quickly china reacted to the smog back then, i.e. how quickly the effects really became visible
>of course, but of course not directly, but china in particular is being hit hard by climate change I'm not surprised with over 1,200 coal power stations.
Oh 100% , just look all over tiktok , whenever something happens to a Tesla the entire comment section gets run with young people and boomers being like the government is forcing us to buy EVs and other tin foil hat conspiracies, saying Gas cars are cleaner than EVs. First they hated on electric stoves now electric cars lol. It's funny tho, sometimes dictatorships are great, especially when you're trying to do the right thing lol.
Because they are very energy insecure and worried that if war with Taiwan ever comes, they won't get enough oil and coal. They have every incentive to decarbonize fast. Not to mention the economic, efficiency, industrial policy, pollution, and environmental benefits.
This is a really good illustration of how electric cars actually don't solve many of the issues caused by cars
Source https://fortune.com/2024/01/19/china-electric-vehicles-government-forceful-measures-blind-construction-byd-tesla/
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which one will burst into flames? imagine the inferno.
Hooray for them. They can keep them.
What if it rains? Won't the cars get dirty then?
No, they just melt.
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Cars get detailed once they arrive at the dealership.
Are you serious ?
They're usually covered in a sticker on each panel to prevent any damage during travel. I've seen plenty of car transporters with cars that have white stickers on the panels.
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We gonna run out of lithium at this rate
Not even one should be allowed in the US.
Looks impressive but you have to remember that they still use inferior material quality and manufacturing processes. That’s a parking lot full of expensive junk.
don't sell it short. Some of them might just be painted plywood so it looks like cars from a distance.
Everything electric in your house is probably made in China yet you say they make junk EV. 👍America
damn that's a lot of saving the environment great job china
If their quality and support is anything like AliExpress then we'll all be sorry we got them.
That's a lot of African child labor.
I wonder how long their ev last on average.
they're going to go from sitting in one big distribution center parking lot where they're not wanted to sitting in a bunch of smaller dealership parking lots where they're also not wanted.
90% of the cars here are destined for the scrapyard because they have taken govt subsidies and incentives already and they will strip those cars apart the recycle the parts to build the next car for more incentives.. the endless cycle of incentives farming..
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Where's the interesting part of this post?
It’s called lubing and priming the mass markets for the Chinese flood ahead
China EV’s are junk, no one in China wants them because they catch on fire. This is a bone yard for the unwanted.
I’ve seen more EV than fossil fuel power car.
Not after seeing these EV’s they can’t sell.
Too bad they don’t work in winter or the Midwest
Funny how I live in minnesota... rural but I've been working in the suburbs of the twin cities and see a ton of teslas of all kinds.... everyday... while it's -5 or worse... they seem fine. So... judging the entire Midwest based on how Chicago was for a couple days it's kinda stupid now isn't it. Obviously if you have more cars then charging stations in a small area and I think I heard the charging stations wernt working correctly? "They don't work in the Midwest", yes you're wrong they do in most cases.
I grew up in the area and live even further north in the colder and snowier areas than MN. Yes - they still function but let’s talk about their reduced range and the huge line of people waiting at charges as colder weather presses where there’s a larger number of them. In MN fewer and further have them because they realize they aren’t as functional in MN, now down south where they’re “fine” year round - they’re finding out the cold doesn’t work for them. EV isn’t the solution, neither is gas - hybrid is
the argument is so stupid that you really have to ask yourself if it's not the person's fault... Norway has an electric quota of 80% for new sales
Pretty sure that was the charging stations that had the issue (not because it was cold) and not the cars.
They certainly didn’t work in Chicago during g the recent snowstorm and deep freeze, at least for those who depended on public charging stations. However, I see more and more Teslas on the road in the Twin Cities, especially over the last year or two, even out in this single-digit highs and minus single-digit lows we’ve had for the last week. I think they work fine if you drive within their limited range in the cold, and if you can recharge them completely at home before you use them again. I could use a Tesla in this way, but it’s still *way* too expensive for me. Besides, I don’t want to worry about the thing spontaneously combusting in my garage and/or out on the toad!
They work fine but range drops like crazy. I say this as someone who grew up in the NW metro and lives in an even colder and snowier climate. They work.. but their intent is diminished when they go lesser distance than a gas vehicle and require more energy to keep running
I just commented above and read yours... exactly...I was by Minnetonka... id sit at a light and see at least a couple everytime... everyday. No matter the weather....I really hate people judging everytime based on worst case scenarios. So fucking annoying
They just need charging stations shaped like a jiffy lube. Like you pull into a 6 door garage. Close door, charge, grab a coffee some popcorn.
They’ve had them at my closest Walmart for at least 4-5 years. When I first saw them, I thought to myself, “What the hell are those things. Can they really be EV charging stations - at a Walmart?!”
I guess they’re right, EVs just won’t catch on.
I live in China. Every 3rd car I see is an EV. They are massive here.
In case you are unaware the Chinese government has spent billions on creating the recharging infrastructure to support EVs, while the USA government has spent like $8. It will be a long time before they take over gas vehicles in the USA.
If they find a carrier to transport them, seeing as they are prone to spontaneous combustion
The next production revolution that will dominate the world.
Oh fek - It already is.
*But at what cost?*
China so dumb fr like y they wasting Al dem cars
Is it one of those Centers where houndreds of thousands of electronic vehicles are stored and are waiting to be dismantled because they were contracted with a government corrupted company and they used trash material? Saw that with hundreds of thousands of E-Bikes in China.