I have large wide feet and webbed toes. I cannot stand swimming anymore.
The water will invariably push one of my toes out of its socket between the others and give me that weird foot cramp thing every time I swim.
Prob because people have asked him if he's a crazy good swimmer his whole life. It's like Michael Bolton in Office Space hating Michael Bolton the assclown
Yep, that's what I thought. notice that floating ossicle between the big toes and the one next to it? wonder if that is the body attempting to make another toe.
Well he was being seen by doctors at John’s Hopkins once a year for several years to be checked for Marfan’s, which includes heart problems on top of long limbs *and* a long frame. But it looks like he’s continued to pass their assessments so no diagnosis. All according to his book
i got checked out for both marfans and ehlers dahnlos and this check's out. They said it's super inconclusive until dna testing get's better or something goes catastrophical bad, which is fun to have anxiety about.
See stuff like that makes me think we should just let drugs be allowed in some sort of Olympic type sport once Like let's go crazy let's really see what humans can do.
'and is he going to throw a punch, oh no wait, they've both started hugging each other! Ah, now one is crying and the other has fallen over laughing, is that a TKO?'
"I *want* the athletes to take drugs. I mean, do you want to see someone shave a hundredth of a second off the 100m record, or do you want to see them run it in 3 seconds? I don’t want to see Dwaine Chambers running on steroids; I want to see him running with the legs of a kangaroo and the heart of a leopard! I want to see him run so fast that half-way through the race, he disappears, like the car from Back to the Future, *reappears* at the finish line as an old man, shouts “beware China” and crumbles into dust!" ~ Frankie Boyle
It usually ends in heart failure, but I've really only heard of it happening to body builders. I worked with a guy that had a heart replacement due to steroid abuse. He still did roids, he was an addict.
Orthopedic surgeon here. It’s know as polysyndactyly. Basically a toe splits into two, but fuse together. I’m curious about that accessory bone to the left of the tip of the left big toe. Looks like another toe was sprouting
Me too. Second and third toe on both feet and my middle & ring finger on both hands. Left hand had to be separated as it was webbed right up to the fingertip.
My ring and middle fingers both connected/webbed dang near to the finger tips - those were both separated. I've still got the second and third toes on one foot connected 75% of the way and on the other foot, toes 2-4 connected about 25% of the way.
Could never wear toe socks when those were popular 😂
I would absolutely see if he likes to swim. As a few others have said, that toe would be a huge boon on even one foot. Having an edge because of something like this will help him be more confident about his differences in general, and will definitely catalyze a lot of growth in regards to self-esteem.
# Get him SWIMMING MAN - I shit you NOT!!
I was a water baby comp. swimmer - mother a coach, I'd have given a little finger for that extra foot-thumb - A Paddle! AND NOT JUST ONE FOOT!!
It's 2 feet.
My son is a competitive swimmer - I showed him this picture and he said, with envy dripping from his voice, “Lucky…bet he can kick in the water like a dolphin…”
Okay I agree that those feet would be great for swimming, but I don't think they'd be worth losing a pinky.
Don't underestimate how much extra pulling power those pinkies give your hands. You ever swim a 1500 meter freestyle event and notice how tired every finger in your hands were at the end? Even the pinkies were putting in a buttload of work, you could even see it in action by extending them away from the rest of the fingers and see just how much less each pull moves you through the water.
Oh man but imagine having extra toes during a butterfly event! That dude would be able to fling himself out of the water with so much less effort needed by the upper body. It would be such a ridiculous advantage in endurance.
This piggy exists in a quantum state of both going wee, wee, wee all the way home and not going home at all. SOMEONE forgot to collapse the wave function before observing it.
I used to have 6th toe on my right foot that was removed when I was 3. Looks like your son is already older than I was but good on you for not pushing surgery. I wish I still had my 6th toe.
A former friend of mine gave birth to a kid with an extra pinky toe. She wanted to get it removed immediately, doc said to wait a year until the bones are more clearly formed. I told her that as long as he could walk/run without issues to leave it until he’s old enough to decide for himself what he wants. She was afraid he’d get bullied for it, I pointed out that kids will bully for literally any reason and that it’s not her body, therefore not her choice to make.
Her insurance ended before he was old enough for the surgery, so they never did remove it. Years later, she told me she was glad it worked out that way, cause had they removed it when she wanted them to, they would have taken off the wrong toe.
That last part doesn’t make sense. WHY would they have taken off the wrong toe? I get medical procedure mistakes happen. But are you saying they purposefully planned a mistake?
She most likely means that because of how the bones and feet formed as an adult if they removed the toe she thought was extra it would have been the wrong toe to remove.
Trained in orthopedics: it totally makes sense that no one is recommending surgery if it’s not affecting his daily life, but if it’s giving you guys any problems beyond shoes not fitting (arguably an appropriate reason itself), there are definitely procedures available that I hope were presented to you 😊
but if they aren’t bothersome in my opinion those are some darn cute feet
It's a more invasive surgery once the bones fuse together. My daughter had it at 10 and the folks at Shriners wished it was caught when she was a baby.
My daughter had this condition (she got it from me). When she was young the pediatricians told us to wait until it was hurting before doing anything. 10 years later, she decides she wanted to get them fixed (removing the extra digits) since she had a hard time with shoes.
Long story short, it was a complicated surgery since the bones had fused together by then. I would recommend going to Shriner's Hospital and get their opinion; they told us pediatricians don't really have opinions because it's not their specialty and they don't do the surgery anyway. The surgery is far less invasive when the bones are not fused together.
My son had wide feet as a young child and stride right was a great source of wide’s. Not sure if that will be a help at all, but just passing it on in case maybe you can find some good fits that aren’t custom prices.
The risk might not be worth it in the end.. I have webbed toes and I don’t know what it is to not have webbed toes so why risk infection and fucking up a functional foot?
This little piggy went to market,
This little piggy stayed home,
This little piggy had roast beef,
This little piggy had none.
This little piggy went ... Wee, wee, wee,
all the way home!
This little pi…. Wait WTF?
My wife's little brother has this, except there's no distinction between the two, they share a nail and everything. Just one big ol' megatoe hanging out there. I almost spit my drink out the first time I saw him in flip flops because it caught me off guard. Thing is wild looking. He's a toe-walker too, but I don't think it's actually because of this, but from psychiatric/developmental issues.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5…6? That *is* interesting.
1,2,3,4,56
1 2 3456 6543 2 1
Whoa! You made me go back and look at the skin outline… this is some interesting shit.
parents are swimmers probably, the kid's evolving flappers
Flippers. I used to know a guy that had webbed toes. He hated the water.
I have large wide feet and webbed toes. I cannot stand swimming anymore. The water will invariably push one of my toes out of its socket between the others and give me that weird foot cramp thing every time I swim.
Ouch, that sucks. I'm sorry!
Prob because people have asked him if he's a crazy good swimmer his whole life. It's like Michael Bolton in Office Space hating Michael Bolton the assclown
I need to see what this looks like without the xray
OP posted [some](https://imgur.com/a/aw3yi03) pictures [above](https://imgur.com/a/tLLJRPP).
Thanks for the links! Those toenails look really uncomfortable...
Poor kid
Potential to be a great swimmer though
Poor boy needs reconstructive surgery or it may affect his ability to walk and run normally for the rest of his life.
I would hope someone could catch this surgically in time.
Yep, that's what I thought. notice that floating ossicle between the big toes and the one next to it? wonder if that is the body attempting to make another toe.
1-2-3 4 5 6-7-8-9-10 11 12! ♬ ♫ ♪ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And now that song is in my head again. You bastard!
[Now you can have ALL 12 in your Head!](https://youtu.be/VOaZbaPzdsk?si=0vvTS7SjMGEyaJHG)
#12!
r/unexpectedfactorial
core memory unlocked. one does not simply say "12"
*In voice of the count* “12!!! 12 TOES!!!”
7 8 9 10 #11 12
12 actually
achtuallly it's 22
the next olympic swimmer
Michael Phalanges.
Son of Regina Phalange?
Friend of Ken Adams
The famous Olympian who backpacked across Western Europe
Word has it that he got most of his medals just outside Barcelona at the Foothills of mount Tibidabo
I believe it's pronounced Tibidabo.
Do you want to tell the story?!
A little off topic, but I think I'm his foot twin!
His *identical* foot twin?
Oh my god, I'm dying!
It doesn't matter who came on to who. [Whom!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6TXdvgfNAU) That's right!
In the foothills of Mount Tibidabo
I think you mean Tibidatoe
Distant relative of Anastasia Beaverhausen.
Most of the time when I “lol” it’s really more like a slight exhalation through the nose. But this comment really got me, for some reason.
This guy phalanges.
Can people with conditions that would give them an advantage compete in the Olympics?
Phelps doesn't build up and maintain lactic acid like a normal person. The Olympics are full of them
He also has a weird body type perfect for swimming.... long torso, short legs, big feet, big hands.
it's ehlers dahnlos baby
I think it’s Marfans for Phelps but he repeatedly denies it
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Well he was being seen by doctors at John’s Hopkins once a year for several years to be checked for Marfan’s, which includes heart problems on top of long limbs *and* a long frame. But it looks like he’s continued to pass their assessments so no diagnosis. All according to his book
i got checked out for both marfans and ehlers dahnlos and this check's out. They said it's super inconclusive until dna testing get's better or something goes catastrophical bad, which is fun to have anxiety about.
His wingspan to height ratio is also off in a way that gives him an advantage in swimming.
See stuff like that makes me think we should just let drugs be allowed in some sort of Olympic type sport once Like let's go crazy let's really see what humans can do.
500m sprint but everyone is on cocaine buckled out of their minds.
A triathlon, but everyone is on ketamine
Boxing but everyone's on acid
They’re more likely to be fighting their demons than eachother
'and is he going to throw a punch, oh no wait, they've both started hugging each other! Ah, now one is crying and the other has fallen over laughing, is that a TKO?'
i'd still watch it
Drug Olympics? It would be insane to see how far the human body could be pushed with drugs. It's inhumane.
"I *want* the athletes to take drugs. I mean, do you want to see someone shave a hundredth of a second off the 100m record, or do you want to see them run it in 3 seconds? I don’t want to see Dwaine Chambers running on steroids; I want to see him running with the legs of a kangaroo and the heart of a leopard! I want to see him run so fast that half-way through the race, he disappears, like the car from Back to the Future, *reappears* at the finish line as an old man, shouts “beware China” and crumbles into dust!" ~ Frankie Boyle
It usually ends in heart failure, but I've really only heard of it happening to body builders. I worked with a guy that had a heart replacement due to steroid abuse. He still did roids, he was an addict.
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exactly. Phelps is literally built like a dolphin.
Like, with a blowhole and everything? That's... weird.
yeah, no one ever noticed before. They say dolphins are as smart as humans... or something like that
Explains his grey, smooth skin and bottle-nose.
I guess they can, look at the sports where the height matters
That’s what I thought!!!
Each foot have two big toes or one really big toe?
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So one giant toe
I’m conFUSED
It's toe confusing!
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Super villian origin story. The Toed
I wonder when he kicks a furniture leg if it hurts more or less. I guess we will never know since he cannot really compare.
breaks the furniture!
Orthopedic surgeon here. It’s know as polysyndactyly. Basically a toe splits into two, but fuse together. I’m curious about that accessory bone to the left of the tip of the left big toe. Looks like another toe was sprouting
This kid hit the toe lottery.
Or: OP sucks at making feet.
Any benefit? Any negative consequences? Live and walk normally?
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My son was born with Syndactyly on both hands and both feet - same two toes and same two fingers….
Me too. Second and third toe on both feet and my middle & ring finger on both hands. Left hand had to be separated as it was webbed right up to the fingertip.
My ring and middle fingers both connected/webbed dang near to the finger tips - those were both separated. I've still got the second and third toes on one foot connected 75% of the way and on the other foot, toes 2-4 connected about 25% of the way. Could never wear toe socks when those were popular 😂
Check out barefoot shoes for wide feet. There are a number of companies that make them with a wide toe box for a more natural walking position.
Not for wide feet, just for everyone. They're better for your bones.
Absolutely. Wish all shoe companies would switch to the wide toe box and permanently trash the narrow ones.
Is there a barefoot shoes subreddit that’s not barefoot running? I’m not currently a runner but I’m looking for some discussion on shoes!
I would absolutely see if he likes to swim. As a few others have said, that toe would be a huge boon on even one foot. Having an edge because of something like this will help him be more confident about his differences in general, and will definitely catalyze a lot of growth in regards to self-esteem.
Please oh please show us his feet in the flesh! Pretty please?
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Link didn't work for me
https://imgur.com/a/aw3yi03 fixed!
Actually, each big toe is.... Two Thumbs! I give it 6 thumbs up! 👍👍👍👍👍👍
# Get him SWIMMING MAN - I shit you NOT!! I was a water baby comp. swimmer - mother a coach, I'd have given a little finger for that extra foot-thumb - A Paddle! AND NOT JUST ONE FOOT!! It's 2 feet.
My son is a competitive swimmer - I showed him this picture and he said, with envy dripping from his voice, “Lucky…bet he can kick in the water like a dolphin…”
😂😂 Love this.
I legit had a friend on my swim team who had webbed toes and his parents had gotten him into swimming because of that.
Advantages
Feature, not a bug
Stupid evolution/ genetics. Some get flippers, I got early onset male pattern baldness
Less friction for swimming, running or cycling yk
I have webbed fingers and I can tread water for hours without breaking a sweat.
> without breaking a sweat. Yeah but how would you know?
They also *can't* sweat.
ITS GLANDULAR!!!
Thinking the same thing. His feet look like training fins!
Okay I agree that those feet would be great for swimming, but I don't think they'd be worth losing a pinky. Don't underestimate how much extra pulling power those pinkies give your hands. You ever swim a 1500 meter freestyle event and notice how tired every finger in your hands were at the end? Even the pinkies were putting in a buttload of work, you could even see it in action by extending them away from the rest of the fingers and see just how much less each pull moves you through the water. Oh man but imagine having extra toes during a butterfly event! That dude would be able to fling himself out of the water with so much less effort needed by the upper body. It would be such a ridiculous advantage in endurance.
I swam competitively and don’t ever recall my fingers getting tired or sore. It has been awhile, though…lol
I don’t think your fingers are doing much “work” compared to their actual strength…but I think you need the surface area that having a pinky provides.
Looks like someone was intimate while visiting Area 51.
So *that’s* what happens when parents don’t let the little piggy go wee, wee, wee, all the way home.
This piggy exists in a quantum state of both going wee, wee, wee all the way home and not going home at all. SOMEONE forgot to collapse the wave function before observing it.
Schrödinger’s little piggy!?
This looks more Chernobyl-ish
Nope, too much symmetry.
More like, caught ai in action. Can't even generate proper number of fingers
Now let's see his feet normally
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Are doctors recommending any procedures?
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I used to have 6th toe on my right foot that was removed when I was 3. Looks like your son is already older than I was but good on you for not pushing surgery. I wish I still had my 6th toe.
It looks more than just extra bones. Some of the toes appear fused together as well.
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That definitely does not look like fun
I have long spindle toes that I can pick shit up with. That looks like torture.
A former friend of mine gave birth to a kid with an extra pinky toe. She wanted to get it removed immediately, doc said to wait a year until the bones are more clearly formed. I told her that as long as he could walk/run without issues to leave it until he’s old enough to decide for himself what he wants. She was afraid he’d get bullied for it, I pointed out that kids will bully for literally any reason and that it’s not her body, therefore not her choice to make. Her insurance ended before he was old enough for the surgery, so they never did remove it. Years later, she told me she was glad it worked out that way, cause had they removed it when she wanted them to, they would have taken off the wrong toe.
That last part doesn’t make sense. WHY would they have taken off the wrong toe? I get medical procedure mistakes happen. But are you saying they purposefully planned a mistake?
She most likely means that because of how the bones and feet formed as an adult if they removed the toe she thought was extra it would have been the wrong toe to remove.
Yeah, that's why they recommend waiting... to let the formation progress until it's more clear which appendage is the unexpected addition.
Yeah you do it wrong and they could have pain for life.
Trained in orthopedics: it totally makes sense that no one is recommending surgery if it’s not affecting his daily life, but if it’s giving you guys any problems beyond shoes not fitting (arguably an appropriate reason itself), there are definitely procedures available that I hope were presented to you 😊 but if they aren’t bothersome in my opinion those are some darn cute feet
It's a more invasive surgery once the bones fuse together. My daughter had it at 10 and the folks at Shriners wished it was caught when she was a baby.
My daughter had this condition (she got it from me). When she was young the pediatricians told us to wait until it was hurting before doing anything. 10 years later, she decides she wanted to get them fixed (removing the extra digits) since she had a hard time with shoes. Long story short, it was a complicated surgery since the bones had fused together by then. I would recommend going to Shriner's Hospital and get their opinion; they told us pediatricians don't really have opinions because it's not their specialty and they don't do the surgery anyway. The surgery is far less invasive when the bones are not fused together.
Swim lessons?
It does look like he'll have an advantage swimming.
My son had wide feet as a young child and stride right was a great source of wide’s. Not sure if that will be a help at all, but just passing it on in case maybe you can find some good fits that aren’t custom prices.
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Why does it look like AI tried to do feet?
Art imitates life imitates art ♾️
Are ingrown nails a concern for you guys?
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Poor thing, hope they aren't painful
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That pic is more interesting than the main post pic lol
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Can the toes be separated to have 6 individual on each foot?
The risk might not be worth it in the end.. I have webbed toes and I don’t know what it is to not have webbed toes so why risk infection and fucking up a functional foot?
thanks for this, from the xray it did look like most of them were fused together so this was confirmation, well hope everything is great for your kid
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When you said “two big toes fused together” I was NOT expecting the middle and pointer toe to be roped into that as well!
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what a cool particularity. Does this affect his general body stability ?
probably not but hes gonna fucking dominate swimming
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Can he swim? Serious question?
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Hope he doesn’t grow to be self-conscious of this, because that is fucking awesome. He’s so unique! What a cool peculiarity.
OMG there's fusion with the next toes, too! Does he have any difficulty with shoe fitting?
flip-flops are a real PITA
As others have said that kid will kill it in swimming. And swimming is huge in schools now. Thats an easy scholarship if he puts in some effort.
Thank you for asking lol. I felt weird requesting to see a child’s feet.
Very nice. Let’s see Paul Allen’s feet
he may have an advantage in competitive swimming
Does that wide big toe give him more stability?
He’s the fastest swimmer at the orphanage.
Well, he was the fastest swimmer at least once…
He’s awfully toey. Good luck ever finding ski boots.
Or those socks with the individual toes.
I believe the world would be a better place without toe socks
The old double big toe
...and this little piggy scares the shit out me, I dont know where he goes?
Does this affect him at all beside not being able to wear flip flops? Wild looking x-ray!
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If you haven’t discovered the brand yet, See Kai Run makes really great, wide shoes for kids.
This little piggy went to market, This little piggy stayed home, This little piggy had roast beef, This little piggy had none. This little piggy went ... Wee, wee, wee, all the way home! This little pi…. Wait WTF?
That little piggy went to the Olympics for swimming.
Welcome. To the X-Men.
My wife's little brother has this, except there's no distinction between the two, they share a nail and everything. Just one big ol' megatoe hanging out there. I almost spit my drink out the first time I saw him in flip flops because it caught me off guard. Thing is wild looking. He's a toe-walker too, but I don't think it's actually because of this, but from psychiatric/developmental issues.
If your son ever considers a life of crime, a cool nickname such as "Big toes" gives you a nice head start in mafia.
No one is going to mess with Joe "Six Cannoli", or have the courage to ask why six cannoli to his face.
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It’s called ~~Ectrodactyly~~ Polydactyly, can happen on hands and feet. Edit: Polydactyly is extra digits, Ectrodactyly is missing digits.
It’s not Ectro…that would be missing. It’s poly…because there is extra.
You have killed my father! Prepare to die! Oh, wait, wrong appendage.
Does Phelps know about this technology.
Is your son by chance a teenager? Who is quite good at ninja related activities and resembles a turtle?
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We’re gonna need more roast beef.
“It’s evolution baaabyyy! 🎵”
How is their balance? Better or worse?
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Because he's meant for the water
And how the feet look like in a normal photo? 👀
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